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Nolak Ataru
Incursion Osprey Replacement Fund LLC
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Posted - 2015.01.27 01:06:56 -
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Sugar Smacks wrote:Any key commands that lead to automation of playing should be destroyed. Any key commands that lead to multiple commands from a single source should be destroyed.
Anyone that thinks otherwise has no basis for their argument as only failed games stand behind these decisions.
I still wait to hear of a sucessfull game people were allowed to do this in. The fact is there is none.
I know in Starcraft 2 people bind Logitech macro keys to build a certain building (One "key" for basic / advanced structure, another for the exact structure) or for selecting drones and then the specific unit. In games like CoD or BF4 people bind some of the more complex tricks to the keys. There's no doubt others. |

ShadowandLight
Trigger Happy Capsuleers Soviet-Union
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Posted - 2015.01.27 01:34:16 -
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WOW has 8m subscribers and allows FULL UI customization, ISBoxer and macros (to an extent as long as your at the keyboard).... EVE might have 500k subs (probably way less, but we cant get any numbers) and has decided that since they are experts in how an MMO should run, they will start banning people who multibox too effectively.
EVE Online and Multiboxing: My position against the upcoming changes and why Multiboxing is good for EVE and its player economy
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KC Kamikaze
Blue-Fire
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Posted - 2015.01.27 03:12:06 -
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ShadowandLight wrote:WOW has 8m subscribers and allows FULL UI customization, ISBoxer and macros (to an extent as long as your at the keyboard).... EVE might have 500k subs (probably way less, but we cant get any numbers) and has decided that since they are experts in how an MMO should run, they will start banning people who multibox too effectively.
Good points fall on deaf ears around here. Games are balanced based on what the top 5% of players are capable of in the game. Banning broadcasting isn't the right kind of balance.
I think CCP do a lot of things right and that's why the people who can't handle an unforgiving game sub WoW. They lose a lot of money keeping the game true to course and I'm glad they do that. Making games too easy sucks the fun right out of them. Along with all the good decisions they make more than a few bad ones, but all things considered it could be worse. Until it gets a lot worse than this my WoW and SWToR will stay unsubbed...but I don't think it will.
I'd still like to get a response from the ISBoxer haters if they think this change was enough and if they are happy with it would be interesting to know. |

Jenshae Chiroptera
The Volition Cult
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Posted - 2015.01.27 03:27:20 -
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I am glad they are putting in the bans. Going against multiple perfectly timed logistics, snipers and such really sucked.
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KC Kamikaze
Blue-Fire
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Posted - 2015.01.27 04:04:53 -
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Jenshae Chiroptera wrote:I am glad they are putting in the bans. Going against multiple perfectly timed logistics, snipers and such really sucked.
Yep and going against a force larger than your isboxer fleet also sucks because while we may have had a perfectly time alpha exiting a fight is not so easy to do. More often then not when we get in over our heads we lose our whole fleet pods and all.
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Sugar Smacks
State War Academy Caldari State
31
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Posted - 2015.01.27 04:22:53 -
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ShadowandLight wrote:WOW has 8m subscribers and allows FULL UI customization, ISBoxer and macros (to an extent as long as your at the keyboard).... EVE might have 500k subs (probably way less, but we cant get any numbers) and has decided that since they are experts in how an MMO should run, they will start banning people who multibox too effectively.
How you can call WoW pvp is beyond me. They have 1 pvp server that everyone refuses to play. Basically there is a small element that has a battlegrounds area that people think is pvp.
If you wish to macro on your pvm game, yea, i don't think anyone will care.
E very other game mentioned is a "throw away game", thats life expectancy is what months? I wonder why that is?
Next time don't use a game that had to be rereleased 3 times as your statement of legitimacy. |

Angrod Losshelin
Oath of the Forsaken Half Massed
103
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Posted - 2015.01.27 05:12:36 -
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Sugar Smacks wrote:Any key commands that lead to automation of playing should be destroyed. Any key commands that lead to multiple commands from a single source should be destroyed.
Anyone that thinks otherwise has no basis for their argument as only failed games stand behind these decisions.
I still wait to hear of a sucessfull game people were allowed to do this in. The fact is there is none.
Actually the most successful MMO in existence World of Warcraft allows input broadcasting. ISBoxer does not provide any automation, autofire, botting, hacks or other cheating functionality. Top MMORPG publishers including Blizzard Entertainment, Trion Worlds, Sony Online Entertainment, Turbine, NCSoft and others all allow multiboxing with ISBoxer.
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ashley Eoner
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Posted - 2015.01.27 06:15:28 -
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Sugar Smacks wrote:ShadowandLight wrote:WOW has 8m subscribers and allows FULL UI customization, ISBoxer and macros (to an extent as long as your at the keyboard).... EVE might have 500k subs (probably way less, but we cant get any numbers) and has decided that since they are experts in how an MMO should run, they will start banning people who multibox too effectively. How you can call WoW pvp is beyond me. They have 1 pvp server that everyone refuses to play. Basically there is a small element that has a battlegrounds area that people think is pvp. If you wish to macro on your pvm game, yea, i don't think anyone will care. E very other game mentioned is a "throw away game", thats life expectancy is what months? I wonder why that is? Next time don't use a game that had to be rereleased 3 times as your statement of legitimacy. Your hyperbole makes your ignorance extremely stark. There's a lot of PVP servers in WoW. Anyone that has played WoW knows that world pvp is very active. Oh wait you have no idea what WoW is like because either you played it 8 years ago or you just go off what you hear/stereotype. Well Blizzard has made it so that servers now share areas so as to balance out the numbers on both sides. My server has world pvp available at any hour of the day.
Your ignorance continues with your "throw away game" comment. All the games mentioned have been successful in the market place making money for many years. Some of them are actually more popular then Eve.
EDIT : What's funny is my "perfectly timed" logi were all controlled individually without innerspace. |

Kaarous Aldurald
Sebiestor Tribe Minmatar Republic
11457
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Posted - 2015.01.27 06:24:47 -
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ashley Eoner wrote: Anyone that has played WoW knows that world pvp is very active.
Very actively botted, you mean. Bots comprise 40% or higher of their instanced PvP groups. And they do nothing about it either.
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Sugar Smacks
State War Academy Caldari State
32
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Posted - 2015.01.27 06:28:15 -
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ashley Eoner wrote:Sugar Smacks wrote:ShadowandLight wrote:WOW has 8m subscribers and allows FULL UI customization, ISBoxer and macros (to an extent as long as your at the keyboard).... EVE might have 500k subs (probably way less, but we cant get any numbers) and has decided that since they are experts in how an MMO should run, they will start banning people who multibox too effectively. How you can call WoW pvp is beyond me. They have 1 pvp server that everyone refuses to play. Basically there is a small element that has a battlegrounds area that people think is pvp. If you wish to macro on your pvm game, yea, i don't think anyone will care. E very other game mentioned is a "throw away game", thats life expectancy is what months? I wonder why that is? Next time don't use a game that had to be rereleased 3 times as your statement of legitimacy. Your hyperbole makes your ignorance extremely stark. There's tons of PVP servers. Anyone that has played WoW knows that world pvp is very active. Oh wait you have no idea what WoW is like because either you played it 8 years ago or you just go off what you hear. Well Blizzard has made it so that servers now share areas so as to balance out the numbers on both sides. My server has world pvp available at any hour of the day. Your ignorance continues with your "throw away game" comment. All the games mentioned have been successfully in the market place making money for many years. Some of them are actually more popular then Eve.
World pvp like guildwars where its choice to step out of the area so in fact you don't HAVE to pvp its all choice.
A game where pvp is done by choice and the far FAR majority of those numbers of subscribers are people who have 0 interest to ever pvp. Furthermore the entire game is designed so they don't have to, or really they don't require any interaction with others.
You are trying to compare a sandbox game with that is amusing at best.
Why don't you focus on Ultima Onlines story about how it lost over 50% of all shards population after the producer Jeff Skalaski citied "we will not be combating scripting/botting or multiple player inputs". How do you lose 50% of the population on year 13? Games die gradually unless idiots are put in control.
Or more recent lets look at Archeage a sandbox game, once thought to be the game of the year and really thought to possibly destroy EvE. After a bot explosion the dev team decided to do little or nothing and instead to push the pay to win model. I know how many EvE players that were playing, they literally had mirror guilds to their corps on EvE. The game died literally overnight land which was being only sold for real money due to its rarity is now so available they are now discussing shard transfers. Did i mention the game came out in September? They have a PLEX called APEX it sold at release for 40 gold it is now 700 gold and projected by players to cap at 1500. That inflation is for 5 months.
Its fairly obvious from these playerbases that people feel in a pvp focused game, that they don't wish to have one person running an army of players around, at least not with 1 button gameplay. Maybe you feel different, but thats you, i assure you. |

Nolak Ataru
Incursion Osprey Replacement Fund LLC
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Posted - 2015.01.27 06:53:09 -
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In games like WoW, there's very little you can do in terms of disruption of logistics, mining, etc. In EVE, players have the ability to shut down someone else's income for a theoretically indefinite period of time. You can't destroy someone's ship like you can in EVE. You can't ECM like you can in EVE. You can't sensor damp like you can in EVE. You can't neut/nos like you can in EVE. You can't out-maneuver someone like you can in EVE. You can't meta-game someone like you can in EVE.
Trying to compare a game as PVP-friendly and varied as EVE to the My Little Pony of World of Warcraft is silly. |

ashley Eoner
394
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Posted - 2015.01.27 07:54:52 -
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Kaarous Aldurald wrote:ashley Eoner wrote: Anyone that has played WoW knows that world pvp is very active.
Very actively botted, you mean. Bots comprise 40% or higher of their instanced PvP groups. And they do nothing about it either. I'd love to see a bot do WORLD pvp... Notice I said WORLD pvp not instance pvp or bg pvp or arena pvp... WORLD pvp...
Sugar Smacks wrote: World pvp like guildwars where its choice to step out of the area so in fact you don't HAVE to pvp its all choice.
A game where pvp is done by choice and the far FAR majority of those numbers of subscribers are people who have 0 interest to ever pvp. Furthermore the entire game is designed so they don't have to, or really they don't require any interaction with others.
You are trying to compare a sandbox game with that is amusing at best.
Why don't you focus on Ultima Onlines story about how it lost over 50% of all shards population after the producer Jeff Skalaski citied "we will not be combating scripting/botting or multiple player inputs". How do you lose 50% of the population on year 13? Games die gradually unless idiots are put in control.
Or more recent lets look at Archeage a sandbox game, once thought to be the game of the year and really thought to possibly destroy EvE. After a bot explosion the dev team decided to do little or nothing and instead to push the pay to win model. I know how many EvE players that were playing, they literally had mirror guilds to their corps on EvE. The game died literally overnight land which was being only sold for real money due to its rarity is now so available they are now discussing shard transfers. Did i mention the game came out in September? They have a PLEX called APEX it sold at release for 40 gold it is now 700 gold and projected by players to cap at 1500. That inflation is for 5 months.
Its fairly obvious from these playerbases that people feel in a pvp focused game, that they don't wish to have one person running an army of players around, at least not with 1 button gameplay. Maybe you feel different, but thats you, i assure you.
Well the choice when I played recently before the latest expansion was to either open myself to pvp to level or to grind the crap out of the instances....
That's probably why WORLD PVP is so active when I played.
The subscriber numbers shows that the most popular servers in WOW are PVP based.. So clearly the majority of WOW players actually do like their PVP. Now if you have any actual statistics to counter that i"m open to reading them.
You do realize it's entirely possible to play eve for years and have no real interaction with anyone let alone anything resembling pvp right? I did it for a good 6 months when I first came back after the original long break.
I played UO and I don't remember anything about that announcement I do remember trammel and EQ coming along which caused a massive decline in the playerbase. Matter fact I can't find a single example of that statement anywhere on google. Your revisionist history is hilariously wrong. |

Lucas Kell
Internet Terrorists SpaceMonkey's Alliance
4957
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Posted - 2015.01.27 08:46:23 -
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Mike Azariah wrote:Josef Djugashvilis wrote:I do not know if I am impressed or depressed that this thread is still going.
I guess everybody has a right to fight their corner. I figure another couple of months before people learn the new borders or are removed m Would really help if CCP simply let people know what the borders are rather that forcing people to share GM correspondence behind the scenes, since even if someone is banned he's not allowed to tell others to warn them of where the line was. That's what the dumbest part of all of this is. People would be happy to abide by the rules IF CCP ACTUALLY TOLD PEOPLE WHAT WAS AND WASN'T ALLOWED.
Hey, wait, you're a CSM member. You're supposed to facilitate communication between CCP and it's players. Do your job, otherwise what's the point in having you?
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Sugar Smacks
State War Academy Caldari State
32
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Posted - 2015.01.27 09:12:31 -
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Lucas Kell wrote:Mike Azariah wrote:Josef Djugashvilis wrote:I do not know if I am impressed or depressed that this thread is still going.
I guess everybody has a right to fight their corner. I figure another couple of months before people learn the new borders or are removed m Would really help if CCP simply let people know what the borders are rather that forcing people to share GM correspondence behind the scenes, since even if someone is banned he's not allowed to tell others to warn them of where the line was. That's what the dumbest part of all of this is. People would be happy to abide by the rules IF CCP ACTUALLY TOLD PEOPLE WHAT WAS AND WASN'T ALLOWED. Hey, wait, you're a CSM member. You're supposed to facilitate communication between CCP and it's players. Do your job, otherwise what's the point in having you?
I still cant figure out what CSM people do. All of them seem to run on the "you know me" platform and don't post any real ideas. At least no ideas they want to share to get elected with. Smells of real world politics and we all know how well those work. But thats a whole new topic that needs addressing. |

Allowed Input Broadcasting
Center for Advanced Studies Gallente Federation
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Posted - 2015.01.27 09:27:20 -
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With the new rules on input broadcasting in place, I wanted to clarify what is and isn't acceptable use of the broadcasting feature. In the process of doing so I seem to have run into a world of contradictions with the EVE staff I've corresponded with.
First let's look at CCP Falcon's official post from the top of this forum
Falcon wrote: "Examples of allowed Input Broadcasting and Input Multiplexing are actions taken that do not have an impact on the EVE universe and are carried out for convenience"
"If you are uncertain about your Input Broadcasting and Input Multiplexing use-case, please get in contact with us, as we would prefer to work with members of the community to come to an amicable resolution. We will also follow up this statement with further clarifications if needed, based on questions and concerns from the community."
Falcon clearly states there are allowed forms of input broadcasting and that CCP prefers we contact them for clarification on the matter.
To clarify what is and is not allowed, I sent in a petition with a list of commands in question. That list is as follows
- Opening cargohold - Opening orehold - Opening/closing "people/places" window - Creating a bookmark - Deleting a bookmark from "people/places" window - Activating survey scanners - Managing inventory in station (ex clicking "ship hangar") - Managing fittings in station (ex fitting module from hangar) - Clicking "join fleet" when invited
I will now paraphrase the responses I received and will also not include the GM names. This is in order to respect the rules on communications of GM correspondence.
The first response:
First GM wrote: If a part of the announcement is unclear or unspecific to your usage, we can only recommend you do not engage in any usage that is not directly stated to be allowed
This is in direct contradiction with the statement in the forum thread which asks us to send in a petition in order to discuss any usage which is unclear. Eventually I convinced the GMs of this and they transferred me to an expert.
The expert's response:
Expert GM wrote: Any kind of input broadcasting to a minimized client is against the rules. Thus it is a violation of the rules if any of those commands are sent to a minimized client.
This is once again in direct contradiction with the statement in the forum thread which clearly states forms of input broadcasting that do not effect the EVE universe are allowed.
And so the situation stands in it's own confusion. Three GMs, each with a different take on the situation of input broadcasting. I've resubmitted the petition, but even if the 4th GM concludes some of those actions are legal, is it worth doing it? How do I know the 5th GM - the one looking at a report against me for input broadcasting - won't instead conclude they are actually illegal and ban me for it? When the GMs are not on board with the same conclusions, we're left with havoc.
There needs to be some real clarity on this, between the GMs and in communication with the users. |

ISD Ezwal
ISD Community Communications Liaisons
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Posted - 2015.01.27 10:05:59 -
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ashley Eoner
394
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Posted - 2015.01.27 10:16:54 -
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I'm not surprised as this has been a problem with CCP for as long as I can remember. There is a definite consistency problem with enforcement and interpretation of the rules.
Compounding the issue is CCP's desire to not paint themselves into a corner.
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Abrazzar
Vardaugas Family
5926
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Posted - 2015.01.27 10:25:57 -
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CCP have create a clear grey area to discourage people from going into a certain direction. If this isn't a hint, I don't know what is.
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Lucas Kell
Internet Terrorists SpaceMonkey's Alliance
4958
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Posted - 2015.01.27 10:46:15 -
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Abrazzar wrote:CCP have create a clear grey area to discourage people from going into a certain direction. If this isn't a hint, I don't know what is. Of course they don't. that's always been the most ridiculous argument. Creating a grey area simply means more people will do things they are not supposed to and get banned purely because they don't know what they are and are not supposed to do.
Nobody has an issue with following the rules CCP sets, but they have to put actual rules. As it currently stands, players who don't even use multiboxing tools have now been banned and STILL there's no clear answer on what is and isn't allowed. It's no wonder CCP is running a failing business with methods like these and quite frankly I hope mainstream gaming media picks up on it, as it seems the only way to get CCP to actually act is through negative press.
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Eugene Kerner
TunDraGon Cynosural Field Theory.
1511
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Posted - 2015.01.27 10:58:55 -
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Is it true that there were bans for people that multibox and did not even use a ISboxer or any other related software? It is very common that people use 3-4 accounts in fleets (e.g. Dread, Triage, Super, Covert-ops) There are some claims on a popular gaming website that are really disturbing. Can somebody verify or falsify those claims?
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Serene Repose
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Posted - 2015.01.27 11:21:11 -
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Every time you create something, there's this tiny percentage of people who think their life's crusade is to circumvent it. Sometimes this is harmless. Sometimes it's just in bad taste. Other times, it's for personal profit or to juke a system. I think it's generous to create a freeware software to enhance games, if done with permission. However, I (and the entire gaming community that doesn't cheat - which is a decided majority) do not agree with third party applications giving people decided advantages in the actual game play.
I've watched videos of people "farming" in WoW using bots. They're presented as though the one doing it is being oh, so clever and smarter than everyone else. Personally, I don't think it's either. I think it's rather infantile and demonstrates a colossal approach to immaturity. It's always struck me - if they don't want to play the game - DON'T. This simple logic seems beyond these people so they can be called neither clever, nor smart. Only intelligent people can be stupid, so that doesn't count. (If an unintelligent person is doing something unintelligent, it's "normal" behavior.)
I don't see this as meat for a crusade with this boxer, third-party application. I do see this handful of people trying to force the issue on the forum here as a significant annoyance, however. Were they attempting similar behavior in a bar, for instance, some of my Harley driving friends might wish to discuss it in the parking lot and there'd be a lot of shouting for MOMMY going on from some precinct or another.
However, the simple fact is due to the nature of the forum, and internet, these people can continue to post their infantile BS and force our ISDs to inspect and lock their posts ad nauseum. This onslaught will never get public opinion on their side. They'll never inject a doubt which turns the playerbase against CCP, and in the end, all they'll do is anger people like ME.
TYVM. Have a nice day. 
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Kaarous Aldurald
Sebiestor Tribe Minmatar Republic
11458
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Posted - 2015.01.27 11:28:56 -
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ashley Eoner wrote:Kaarous Aldurald wrote:ashley Eoner wrote: Anyone that has played WoW knows that world pvp is very active.
Very actively botted, you mean. Bots comprise 40% or higher of their instanced PvP groups. And they do nothing about it either. I'd love to see a bot do WORLD pvp... Notice I said WORLD pvp not instance pvp or bg pvp or arena pvp... WORLD pvp...
Yeah, they're in the Ashran world PvP zone too. Tons of them. The worst part is the ones that auto interrupt you, so they're actually better fighters than most human players.
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Abrazzar
Vardaugas Family
5926
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Posted - 2015.01.27 11:32:39 -
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Lucas Kell wrote:mainstream gaming media Those have lost most of their authority if you were following things.
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Flash Startraveler
Startravelers
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Posted - 2015.01.27 11:53:33 -
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Serene Repose wrote:Every time you create something, there's this tiny percentage of people who think their life's crusade is to circumvent it. Sometimes this is harmless. Sometimes it's just in bad taste. Other times, it's to juke a system for personal gain. I think it's generous to create a freeware software to enhance games, if done with permission. However, I (and the entire gaming community that doesn't cheat - which is a decided majority) do not agree with third party applications giving people decided advantages in the actual game play...... And so on
Have you even read what the last problem was that people had? It's not about the ones you called cheaters, its about those who don't cheat and are not using anything but a keyboard, a mouse and possibly more than one monitor but nothing else, no program etc. Right now we want to know where we are in this "grey area" as soon as we use more than one client at one time.
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Lucas Kell
Internet Terrorists SpaceMonkey's Alliance
4958
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Posted - 2015.01.27 12:02:54 -
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Eugene Kerner wrote:Is it true that there were bans for people that multibox and did not even use a ISboxer or any other related software? It is very common that people use 3-4 accounts in fleets (e.g. Dread, Triage, Super, Covert-ops) There are some claims on a popular gaming website that are really disturbing. Can somebody verify or falsify those claims? As far as such things can be told, at lest some of those claims are accurate. It's pretty much impossible to proved clear evidence though which is why it's so problematic. Even if CCP were to respond to people's tickets it's not really possible to prove you weren't using tools without CCP coming to your house for a live demo. At this point the safe choice is to deactivate most of your accounts and only use 1 at a time, so multiboxing in general is under serious threat.
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Eugene Kerner
TunDraGon Cynosural Field Theory.
1511
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Posted - 2015.01.27 12:21:29 -
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Lucas Kell wrote:Eugene Kerner wrote:Is it true that there were bans for people that multibox and did not even use a ISboxer or any other related software? It is very common that people use 3-4 accounts in fleets (e.g. Dread, Triage, Super, Covert-ops) There are some claims on a popular gaming website that are really disturbing. Can somebody verify or falsify those claims? As far as such things can be told, at lest some of those claims are accurate. It's pretty much impossible to proved clear evidence though which is why it's so problematic. Even if CCP were to respond to people's tickets it's not really possible to prove you weren't using tools without CCP coming to your house for a live demo. At this point the safe choice is to deactivate most of your accounts and only use 1 at a time, so multiboxing in general is under serious threat. That makes the game practically unplayable.
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Lucas Kell
Internet Terrorists SpaceMonkey's Alliance
4958
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Posted - 2015.01.27 12:21:38 -
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Serene Repose wrote:I've watched videos of people "farming" in WoW using bots. They're presented as though the one doing it is being oh, so clever and smarter than everyone else. Personally, I don't think it's either. I think it's rather infantile and demonstrates a colossal approach to immaturity. It's always struck me - if they don't want to play the game - DON'T. This simple logic seems beyond these people so they can be called neither clever, nor smart. Only intelligent people can be stupid, so that doesn't count. (If an unintelligent person is doing something unintelligent, it's "normal" behavior.) They do want to play the game, in the way they play it. Honestly, I don't care how you want to play a game. It's irrelevant to me. The problem I have with people like you is that you playing the game your way isn't good enough, you want everyone to play your way or not be allowed to play at all. How about you just mind your own business?
Serene Repose wrote:Were they attempting similar behavior in a bar, for instance, some of my Harley driving friends might wish to discuss it in the parking lot and there'd be a lot of shouting for MOMMY going on from some precinct, or another. So you complain about immaturity, then suggest that people stating their case on a game forum would be beaten up by your biker mate in a bar. Now that right there is hilarious.
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Lucas Kell
Internet Terrorists SpaceMonkey's Alliance
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Posted - 2015.01.27 12:24:22 -
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Abrazzar wrote:Lucas Kell wrote:mainstream gaming media Those have lost most of their authority if you were following things. Among some gamers, yes. Most "normal" people however will continue to read gaming sites to determine if games are worth playing, and bad publicity is still bad for a game. If IGN put up an article highlighting how badly CCP treat their customers, I'm sure CCP would react.
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Posted - 2015.01.27 12:30:32 -
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Eugene Kerner wrote:That makes the game practically unplayable. Not really. I've trained up new traders on 2 of my alt accounts, I'm scrapping faction warfare, 50% of my T1 production, all of my T3 production and consolidating everything down to just 3 accounts and am working on reducing that to just 2. I'm currently already booked up for fanfest again this year, but once fanfest is over I'll be taking a serious look at whether or not EVE is really entertaining me enough to be worth sticking about. CCP seem to be almost completely incapable of communicating with their players, the community is growing more toxic by the day and the new releases leave much to be desired.
I've been enjoying Elite:Dangerous, and as it stands, their teams seems much more able to respond the their community in the right way. The fact that there's no subscription costs is a massive plus too.
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Posted - 2015.01.27 12:44:11 -
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Lucas Kell wrote:Eugene Kerner wrote:That makes the game practically unplayable. Not really. I've trained up new traders on 2 of my alt accounts, I'm scrapping faction warfare, 50% of my T1 production, all of my T3 production and consolidating everything down to just 3 accounts and am working on reducing that to just 2. I'm currently already booked up for fanfest again this year, but once fanfest is over I'll be taking a serious look at whether or not EVE is really entertaining me enough to be worth sticking about. CCP seem to be almost completely incapable of communicating with their players, the community is growing more toxic by the day and the new releases leave much to be desired. I've been enjoying Elite:Dangerous, and as it stands, their teams seems much more able to respond the their community in the right way. The fact that there's no subscription costs is a massive plus too.
There has to be a better solution than leaving. Everyone I know in this game does multibox. If people I know start to get bans for no reason I will have to re-evaluate though. I am not plexing my accounts as I do not have time for grinding but whats the use of multiple (payed!) accounts if you can not run them simultaniously? (I am not talking of using software to multibox, but simply running multiple accounts over 1 IP at the same time) Some official feedback seems to be overdue.
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