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Sentenced 1989 Quantum Anomaly Corporation 128	Posted - 2014.11.26 01:36:40 - [1051] - Quote La Nariz wrote: Firestorm Delta wrote: La Nariz wrote: Marilyn Maulerant wrote: w00t name called in 2 posts.. well My dear sir, I don't use IS-boxer LOL so I'm sorry if I hurt your feelings by pointing out facts. I do run 4 monitors, and multiple accounts, and I click to each instance of the client to make it do my bidding. I do also love how you've completely evaded my questions though. GOOD JOB!!!!!!! PS. I know some folks in CODE, I'd be willing to put in a good word for you if you'd like? So basically you are a no good cheater that is abusing a mechanic. Actually quite legal to alt tab and click into different sessions to make them work, doing one click that affects more than a single session is in breach of the EULA. Sure you can alt tab but, that automation that is running your mining lasers is unfair just like isboxer thus auto repeat must be removed from mining equipment. And from guns, and from prop modules, and from points, and from bubbles, and from sebos, and from invuls, and from armor reppers, and from... you get the picture :D This thread will really give me cancer... The Incursion Guild QA Combat Analyzer Incursion Layout Builder
Marilyn Maulerant Throng of the Drone Amalgamate The Ditanian Alliance 4	Posted - 2014.11.26 01:37:08 - [1052] - Quote La Nariz wrote: Sure you can alt tab but, that automation that is running your mining lasers is unfair just like isboxer thus auto repeat must be removed from mining equipment. Then by your own reasoning when you alt tab or switch screens and your guns are firing on auto-repeat it is just like IS-boxer and it is abusing a mechanic. Therefore by your own statement auto-repeat must be removed from EVERY module in EvE.
Marilyn Maulerant Throng of the Drone Amalgamate The Ditanian Alliance 4	Posted - 2014.11.26 01:38:07 - [1053] - Quote Sentenced 1989 wrote: And from guns, and from prop modules, and from points, and from bubbles, and from sebos, and from invuls, and from armor reppers, and from... you get the picture :D This thread will really give me cancer... ^^THIS^^
Syllviaa Hole Exploitation Inc. Goonswarm Federation 48	Posted - 2014.11.26 01:38:54 - [1054] - Quote Marilyn Maulerant wrote: La Nariz wrote: Sure you can alt tab but, that automation that is running your mining lasers is unfair just like isboxer thus auto repeat must be removed from mining equipment. Then by your own reasoning when you alt tab or switch screens and your guns are firing on auto-repeat it is just like IS-boxer and it is abusing a mechanic. Therefore by your own statement auto-repeat must be removed from EVERY module in EvE. Yes, it should. All automation needs to be removed from EVE for a fair & immersive experience. RIP Richard A. Butt
Firestorm Delta Aphotic Machina 43	Posted - 2014.11.26 01:39:09 - [1055] - Quote Syllviaa wrote: Jean Luc Lemmont wrote: Godren Storm wrote: Fleet Warp would fall under these guidelines. Also the signing of drones to another player would fall under this outline. One account broadcasting a single action to more than one accounts. Food for thought. Not really, since CCP included those commands inside the game client, I think we can safely assume that their use is ok. Otherwise, they could just delete the command options. I do wish people would quit using the same dumbass arguments over and over again. Everyone safely assumed that input broadcasting was ok & look what happened. CCP has shown that they are willing to revise their stance on unfair mechanics. If they decide to change them in the future then they will. Remember that the legality of said built in options has NEVER been in question, while the use of macros and such as been against the EULA since before I even started playing. Also remember it's not ISBoxer that's banned, its the use of third party features that allow a single player to control multiple accounts while only having to input one set of commands. Botting, automation of controls, and stuff like that has been against the EULA for some time, CCP just decided to make it clear that broadcasting commands to multiple game sessions does in fact fall under that category, and is therefore bannable.
Jean Luc Lemmont Federal Navy Academy Gallente Federation 344	Posted - 2014.11.26 01:39:38 - [1056] - Quote Nemed Bererund wrote: epicurus ataraxia wrote: Nemed Bererund wrote: So no more Eve-Central Market crawler then? Keep making stuff up, You might eventually make some sense. The first post is wonderfully clear. Read it . Oh I did I just want some clarification on third party apps like the Market crawlers that automate search's in the market browser. Through the IGB Quote: This includes, but isnGÇÖt limited to: GÇóActivation and control of ships and modules GÇóNavigation and movement within the EVE universe GÇóMovement of assets and items within the EVE universe GÇóInteraction with other characters Since the market data will be available through Crest shortly, I doubt cache scrapers will be of much use going forward. Will I get banned for boxing!?!?!
Jean Luc Lemmont Federal Navy Academy Gallente Federation 344	Posted - 2014.11.26 01:42:11 - [1057] - Quote Steppa Musana wrote: I don't understand why this has to apply to mining or ratting. You're going to lose hundreds of subscriptions over this CCP. What a terrible decision this is. Please place an exception where broadcasting commands to mine rocks, shoot rats, jettison cargo, etc. is all permitted. No, no, NO, NONONONO. Will I get banned for boxing!?!?!
Syllviaa Hole Exploitation Inc. Goonswarm Federation 48	Posted - 2014.11.26 01:43:07 - [1058] - Quote Dear CCP Falcon, This is a completely legitimate question. If I perform a suicide gank on a miner using input broadcasting on my lead at 23:59:59 31.12.2014, but the following accounts don't fire until 00:00:00 01.01.2015, will I get banned? RIP Richard A. Butt
Tyberius Franklin Federal Navy Academy Gallente Federation 1271	Posted - 2014.11.26 01:43:14 - [1059] - Quote La Nariz wrote: The non-mining modules already induce a disproportionate amount of TIDI versus the mining modules hence they can be left alone. Total tidi production only makes sense as a factor if the reasoning being used is that miners are responsible for non miners voluntarily inducing controlled degradation. This isn't the case by your own admission. Maybe I'm missing something, but fundamentally I understand you claim to be that since some players voluntarily deny themselves the use of auto repeat selectively, others should have it removed arbitrarily and permanently. That only becomes justifiable is it's the same across all modules, so either all auto repeat needs removed or activation of non mining modules needs to guarantee the same penalty through tidi regardless of node condition.
Jean Luc Lemmont Federal Navy Academy Gallente Federation 344	Posted - 2014.11.26 01:43:22 - [1060] - Quote Steppa Musana wrote: CCP can save almost the entirety of their mining alt ISBox subscriptions by allowing us to jettison cargo or move cargo to an Orca using broadcasting. Without that ability it's too much of a hassle to mine and I personally will be retiring my entire fleet over it. I call that mission accomplished, personally. Will I get banned for boxing!?!?!

Syllviaa Hole Exploitation Inc. Goonswarm Federation 48	Posted - 2014.11.26 01:45:50 - [1061] - Quote Firestorm Delta wrote: Syllviaa wrote: Jean Luc Lemmont wrote: Godren Storm wrote: Fleet Warp would fall under these guidelines. Also the signing of drones to another player would fall under this outline. One account broadcasting a single action to more than one accounts. Food for thought. Not really, since CCP included those commands inside the game client, I think we can safely assume that their use is ok. Otherwise, they could just delete the command options. I do wish people would quit using the same dumbass arguments over and over again. Everyone safely assumed that input broadcasting was ok & look what happened. CCP has shown that they are willing to revise their stance on unfair mechanics. If they decide to change them in the future then they will. Remember that the legality of said built in options has NEVER been in question, while the use of macros and such as been against the EULA since before I even started playing. Also remember it's not ISBoxer that's banned, its the use of third party features that allow a single player to control multiple accounts while only having to input one set of commands. Botting, automation of controls, and stuff like that has been against the EULA for some time, CCP just decided to make it clear that broadcasting commands to multiple game sessions does in fact fall under that category, and is therefore bannable. CCP has shown that they are willing to revise their stance on unfair gameplay mechanics. Automation in all of its forms, whether in built or not are detrimental to the health of EVE Online & must be removed to provide an immersive experience for all. RIP Richard A. Butt
Electra Magnetic EVE University Ivy League 17	Posted - 2014.11.26 01:48:07 - [1062] - Quote Sounds like the devs are reading the reasons why people unsubscribed 10 years ago and just now starting to listen. Guess they had to wait to get their moneys worth before they decided it was worth it to do anything about it. Typical of CCP not to give a **** until everyone is starting to walk away... and then they are like oh no wait... we will give you new content and fix our lousy game. Pathetic... Glad they are doing something now.... but 10 years to late.
Jean Luc Lemmont Federal Navy Academy Gallente Federation 344	Posted - 2014.11.26 01:48:14 - [1063] - Quote Hott Pocket wrote: Steve Ronuken wrote: Bakla Firoz wrote: I was so shocked when I found out that CCP specifically confirmed multiple times that isboxing to control multiple accounts was allowed. So why the sudden change of heart? Nothing has changed and therefore you owe those people who have trained up 10, 20, 30, 50(?) accounts a MASSIVE apology. How about those who have recently paid for 3 month (the minimum) subscription on isboxer because you said it was okay? The very least you could do is admit you were wrong. 1 month is minimum. I have 10 accounts. Three of them I will keep forever, because I absolutely love Eve. 7 are ISBoxer miners, paid in full until October 2015. I fully support the (effective) banning of ISBoxer, as it will be easier to be competitive without it. However, will CCP offer ISBoxers with a significant real $$ investment a way out? Perhaps converting unused subs to PLEX, or moving the game time to my other accounts? I understand that the game will change as CCP sees fit, but as the poster above stated, CCP has repeatedly clarified that they are ok with ISBoxer. If it had been a grey area, I would have never started the extra accounts. Here's hoping CCP will make this right... Why in the name of the Flying Spaghetti Monster's noodly appendages would they need to make anything right? You can still use that game time, whether you choose to do so or not. Will I get banned for boxing!?!?!
La Nariz GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation 3111	Posted - 2014.11.26 01:49:20 - [1064] - Quote Marilyn Maulerant wrote: La Nariz wrote: Sure you can alt tab but, that automation that is running your mining lasers is unfair just like isboxer thus auto repeat must be removed from mining equipment. Then by your own reasoning when you alt tab or switch screens and your guns are firing on auto-repeat it is just like IS-boxer and it is abusing a mechanic. Therefore by your own statement auto-repeat must be removed from EVERY module in EvE. No you are wrong as mike azariah said "it doesn't make sense" removing auto-repeat from mining equipment is the only thing that makes sense. This post was loving crafted by a member of the Official GoonWaffe recruitment team. Improve the forums, support this idea: https://forums.eveonline.com/default.aspx?g=posts&find=unread&t=345133
Syllviaa Hole Exploitation Inc. Goonswarm Federation 49	Posted - 2014.11.26 01:50:06 - [1065] - Quote Jean Luc Lemmont wrote: Hott Pocket wrote: Steve Ronuken wrote: Bakla Firoz wrote: I was so shocked when I found out that CCP specifically confirmed multiple times that isboxing to control multiple accounts was allowed. So why the sudden change of heart? Nothing has changed and therefore you owe those people who have trained up 10, 20, 30, 50(?) accounts a MASSIVE apology. How about those who have recently paid for 3 month (the minimum) subscription on isboxer because you said it was okay? The very least you could do is admit you were wrong. 1 month is minimum. I have 10 accounts. Three of them I will keep forever, because I absolutely love Eve. 7 are ISBoxer miners, paid in full until October 2015. I fully support the (effective) banning of ISBoxer, as it will be easier to be competitive without it. However, will CCP offer ISBoxers with a significant real $$ investment a way out? Perhaps converting unused subs to PLEX, or moving the game time to my other accounts? I understand that the game will change as CCP sees fit, but as the poster above stated, CCP has repeatedly clarified that they are ok with ISBoxer. If it had been a grey area, I would have never started the extra accounts. Here's hoping CCP will make this right... Why in the name of the Flying Spaghetti Monster's noodly appendages would they need to make anything right? You can still use that game time, whether you choose to do so or not. Chill out dude, people are trying to have a reasonable conversation here. Go & derail an AFK cloaking thread or something. RIP Richard A. Butt
La Nariz GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation 3111	Posted - 2014.11.26 01:50:42 - [1066] - Quote Tyberius Franklin wrote: La Nariz wrote: The non-mining modules already induce a disproportionate amount of TIDI versus the mining modules hence they can be left alone. Total tidi production only makes sense as a factor if the reasoning being used is that miners are responsible for non miners voluntarily inducing controlled degradation. This isn't the case by your own admission. Maybe I'm missing something, but fundamentally I understand your claim to be that since some players voluntarily deny themselves the use of auto repeat selectively, others should have it removed arbitrarily and permanently. That only becomes justifiable is it's the same across all modules, so either all auto repeat needs removed or activation of non mining modules needs to guarantee the same penalty through tidi regardless of node condition. What are you talking about? It makes plenty of sense and is totally justifiable to remove auto repeat from mining equipment. I do agree with you though that system TIDI should also scale with the amount of mining equipment being used. This post was loving crafted by a member of the Official GoonWaffe recruitment team. Improve the forums, support this idea: https://forums.eveonline.com/default.aspx?g=posts&find=unread&t=345133
Tyberius Franklin Federal Navy Academy Gallente Federation 1272	Posted - 2014.11.26 01:52:51 - [1067] - Quote La Nariz wrote: No you are wrong as mike azariah said "it doesn't make sense" removing auto-repeat from mining equipment is the only thing that makes sense. A lot of people have said "it doesn't make sense" though that's meaningless without context. Perhaps you could point me in the direction of the context which justifies his being quoted here?
Firestorm Delta Aphotic Machina 44	Posted - 2014.11.26 01:52:58 - [1068] - Quote Syllviaa wrote: CCP has shown that they are willing to revise their stance on unfair gameplay mechanics. Automation in all of its forms, whether in built or not are detrimental to the health of EVE Online & must be removed to provide an immersive experience for all. So you plan on clicking your hardeners and weapons every single cycle manually? You want fleets of hundreds of people who are stuck under Tidi to have to manually click everything every cycle? Please, turn all your modules to not auto repeat, play the game for two weeks at every chance you get, and then come explain how having auto repeat on modules is unfair and causes imbalance. Meanwhile I'll be accepting CCPs decision to make a program that has been in a grey area in regards to the EULA for sometime bannable with certain uses, ie broadcasting across multiple game clients.
Tyberius Franklin Federal Navy Academy Gallente Federation 1272	Posted - 2014.11.26 01:55:05 - [1069] - Quote La Nariz wrote: Tyberius Franklin wrote: La Nariz wrote: The non-mining modules already induce a disproportionate amount of TIDI versus the mining modules hence they can be left alone. Total tidi production only makes sense as a factor if the reasoning being used is that miners are responsible for non miners voluntarily inducing controlled degradation. This isn't the case by your own admission. Maybe I'm missing something, but fundamentally I understand your claim to be that since some players voluntarily deny themselves the use of auto repeat selectively, others should have it removed arbitrarily and permanently. That only becomes justifiable is it's the same across all modules, so either all auto repeat needs removed or activation of non mining modules needs to guarantee the same penalty through tidi regardless of node condition. What are you talking about? It makes plenty of sense and is totally justifiable to remove auto repeat from mining equipment. I do agree with you though that system TIDI should also scale with the amount of mining equipment being used. Actually you haven't provided any justification as of yet, other than pointing out that someone said something doesn't make sense at some point in time in the past with potentially no relation to this. I thought you had a real reasoning here but I'm beginning to doubt.
Syllviaa Hole Exploitation Inc. Goonswarm Federation 49	Posted - 2014.11.26 01:55:49 - [1070] - Quote Firestorm Delta wrote: Syllviaa wrote: CCP has shown that they are willing to revise their stance on unfair gameplay mechanics. Automation in all of its forms, whether in built or not are detrimental to the health of EVE Online & must be removed to provide an immersive experience for all. So you plan on clicking your hardeners and weapons every single cycle manually? You want fleets of hundreds of people who are stuck under Tidi to have to manually click everything every cycle? Please, turn all your modules to not auto repeat, play the game for two weeks at every chance you get, and then come explain how having auto repeat on modules is unfair and causes imbalance. Meanwhile I'll be accepting CCPs decision to make a program that has been in a grey area in regards to the EULA for sometime bannable with certain uses, ie broadcasting across multiple game clients. Yes, once CCP removes this botting mechanic from the game I am more than willing to do things as they should be done. CCP has shown that they are willing to revise their stance on unfair gameplay mechanics, particularly where automation is concerned. Be worried for your days are numbered. RIP Richard A. Butt

Marilyn Maulerant Throng of the Drone Amalgamate The Ditanian Alliance 4	Posted - 2014.11.26 01:56:05 - [1071] - Quote La Nariz wrote: Marilyn Maulerant wrote: La Nariz wrote: Sure you can alt tab but, that automation that is running your mining lasers is unfair just like isboxer thus auto repeat must be removed from mining equipment. Then by your own reasoning when you alt tab or switch screens and your guns are firing on auto-repeat it is just like IS-boxer and it is abusing a mechanic. Therefore by your own statement auto-repeat must be removed from EVERY module in EvE. No you are wrong as mike azariah said "it doesn't make sense" removing auto-repeat from mining equipment is the only thing that makes sense. I am right my friend, and I am not the only one telling you this. you see, your argument?, "it doesn't make sense" if you want things to be fair to all. I do however appreciate you not calling me names this time.
La Nariz GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation 3114	Posted - 2014.11.26 01:56:08 - [1072] - Quote Tyberius Franklin wrote: La Nariz wrote: No you are wrong as mike azariah said "it doesn't make sense" removing auto-repeat from mining equipment is the only thing that makes sense. A lot of people have said "it doesn't make sense" though that's meaningless without context. Perhaps you could point me in the direction of the context which justifies his being quoted here? I don't have to he is the representative of highsec and in his words "it doesn't make sense." This post was loving crafted by a member of the Official GoonWaffe recruitment team. Improve the forums, support this idea: https://forums.eveonline.com/default.aspx?g=posts&find=unread&t=345133
Kouga Pegasus 13th Squadron The Initiative. 0	Posted - 2014.11.26 01:56:53 - [1073] - Quote CCP Falcon wrote: This includes, but isnGÇÖt limited to: GÇóActivation and control of ships and modules [/i] this include the macros than the gamer keyboard or mouse keyboard use , for example for pvp i have 1 button than turn on my hardener that is a ban use a gaming keyboard for play a game?ban
La Nariz GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation 3114	Posted - 2014.11.26 01:58:34 - [1074] - Quote Tyberius Franklin wrote: La Nariz wrote: Tyberius Franklin wrote: La Nariz wrote: The non-mining modules already induce a disproportionate amount of TIDI versus the mining modules hence they can be left alone. Total tidi production only makes sense as a factor if the reasoning being used is that miners are responsible for non miners voluntarily inducing controlled degradation. This isn't the case by your own admission. Maybe I'm missing something, but fundamentally I understand your claim to be that since some players voluntarily deny themselves the use of auto repeat selectively, others should have it removed arbitrarily and permanently. That only becomes justifiable is it's the same across all modules, so either all auto repeat needs removed or activation of non mining modules needs to guarantee the same penalty through tidi regardless of node condition. What are you talking about? It makes plenty of sense and is totally justifiable to remove auto repeat from mining equipment. I do agree with you though that system TIDI should also scale with the amount of mining equipment being used. Actually you haven't provided any justification as of yet, other than pointing out that someone said something doesn't make sense at some point in time in the past with potentially no relation to this. I thought you had a real reasoning here but I'm beginning to doubt. It doesn't make sense both isboxer and mining equipment auto repeat are exploits. This post was loving crafted by a member of the Official GoonWaffe recruitment team. Improve the forums, support this idea: https://forums.eveonline.com/default.aspx?g=posts&find=unread&t=345133
Jean Luc Lemmont Federal Navy Academy Gallente Federation 344	Posted - 2014.11.26 01:59:04 - [1075] - Quote Syllviaa wrote: Dear CCP Falcon, This is a completely legitimate question. If I perform a suicide gank on a miner using input broadcasting on my lead at 23:59:59 31.12.2014, but the following accounts don't fire until 00:00:00 01.01.2015, will I get banned? Dear Mr. The Mittani, In the spirit of Christmas, could you lovely chaps do us all a favor and pod this idiot back to 900,000 skill points before Rhea hits? Thanks much. Cookies and a nice 25 year old scotch are by the mantle. Will I get banned for boxing!?!?!
La Nariz GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation 3114	Posted - 2014.11.26 01:59:20 - [1076] - Quote Marilyn Maulerant wrote: La Nariz wrote: Marilyn Maulerant wrote: La Nariz wrote: Sure you can alt tab but, that automation that is running your mining lasers is unfair just like isboxer thus auto repeat must be removed from mining equipment. Then by your own reasoning when you alt tab or switch screens and your guns are firing on auto-repeat it is just like IS-boxer and it is abusing a mechanic. Therefore by your own statement auto-repeat must be removed from EVERY module in EvE. No you are wrong as mike azariah said "it doesn't make sense" removing auto-repeat from mining equipment is the only thing that makes sense. I am right my friend, and I am not the only one telling you this. you see, your argument?, "it doesn't make sense" if you want things to be fair to all. I do however appreciate you not calling me names this time. I'm only using the argument your highsec representative used. It applied then so it applies now too. You need to be consistent. This post was loving crafted by a member of the Official GoonWaffe recruitment team. Improve the forums, support this idea: https://forums.eveonline.com/default.aspx?g=posts&find=unread&t=345133
Tyberius Franklin Federal Navy Academy Gallente Federation 1275	Posted - 2014.11.26 02:01:09 - [1077] - Quote La Nariz wrote: Tyberius Franklin wrote: La Nariz wrote: No you are wrong as mike azariah said "it doesn't make sense" removing auto-repeat from mining equipment is the only thing that makes sense. A lot of people have said "it doesn't make sense" though that's meaningless without context. Perhaps you could point me in the direction of the context which justifies his being quoted here? I don't have to he is the representative of highsec and in his words "it doesn't make sense." Well, I'm done. An argument of absurdity from some sort of in joke can't make for anything resembling productive conversation. At best it can only degenerate to the counter claim "Removing auto repeat for miners is bad because mike azariah said 'it doesn't make sense.'" Let's just go with that.
Syllviaa Hole Exploitation Inc. Goonswarm Federation 49	Posted - 2014.11.26 02:02:20 - [1078] - Quote Jean Luc Lemmont wrote: Syllviaa wrote: Dear CCP Falcon, This is a completely legitimate question. If I perform a suicide gank on a miner using input broadcasting on my lead at 23:59:59 31.12.2014, but the following accounts don't fire until 00:00:00 01.01.2015, will I get banned? Dear Mr. The Mittani, In the spirit of Christmas, could you lovely chaps do us all a favor and pod this idiot back to 900,000 skill points before Rhea hits? Thanks much. Cookies and a nice 25 year old scotch are by the mantle. That is a legitimate question. If you're incapable of answering it then would you kindly allow someone who is capable of answering to answer it (Example: Not you). RIP Richard A. Butt
Jean Luc Lemmont Federal Navy Academy Gallente Federation 344	Posted - 2014.11.26 02:05:14 - [1079] - Quote Syllviaa wrote: Jean Luc Lemmont wrote: Syllviaa wrote: Dear CCP Falcon, This is a completely legitimate question. If I perform a suicide gank on a miner using input broadcasting on my lead at 23:59:59 31.12.2014, but the following accounts don't fire until 00:00:00 01.01.2015, will I get banned? Dear Mr. The Mittani, In the spirit of Christmas, could you lovely chaps do us all a favor and pod this idiot back to 900,000 skill points before Rhea hits? Thanks much. Cookies and a nice 25 year old scotch are by the mantle. That is a legitimate question. If you're incapable of answering it then would you kindly allow someone who is capable of answering to answer it (Example: Not you). Hey. Mine was a legitimate request too. What makes you so special that you should get your question answered but I can't get mine? Or it because your avatar is female? Is that it? Is this a reverse discrimination kind of thing? Punish the man for being a man. Will I get banned for boxing!?!?!
Brutus Le'montac 236	Posted - 2014.11.26 02:05:29 - [1080] - Quote are logitech keyboards with macro keys now also prohibited ( if i use the 1 or more of the 18 macro keys)? Thought is dangerous; lack of thought, deadly!



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