EVE Search - Myths and Questions of Eve PvP.

Check My IP Information

All Channels

EVE General Discussion

Myths and Questions of Eve PvP.

» Click here to find additional results for this topic using Google

Monitor this thread via RSS [?]

Pages: 1 [2] 3 4 :: one page

Author	Thread Statistics \| Show CCP posts - 1 post(s)
Tareen Kashaar eXin Alliance	Posted - 2006.09.08 03:56:00 - [31] Originally by: Nymos edit: @flashing red... i disabled that completely, -5 sec looks like neutral. it doesnt add any valuable information so why even have it on overview? only thing flashing red are war targets and there i think "omg target!!", not "omg run!" :) I have mine to flashing green - same reason :D Excellent post! starts stickification lobby --- WTS: Forum Signatures, 30mil a piece. Evemail me!
Rells Caldari Agony Unleashed	Posted - 2006.09.08 04:39:00 - [32] Edited by: Rells on 08/09/2006 04:40:54 Originally by: Nanobotter Mk2 Oh come on unless you blob with frigates you are sitting duck. A blob? Oh you mean a single tech 2 frigtate flown by an experienced pilot can take you out in your tech 2 fitted raven? YOu compare apples to gorillas and try to use it to justify your argument. And as a point of order, the coloquaial usage of "blob" is by a single jock with his nose in the air that just got taken out by a well organized and led gang. You got "blobbed" as you put it because you were STUPID or OUT MANEUVERED. That happens to be called "tactics". Originally by: Nanobotter Mk2 Please don't tell me a frigate pilot 2 months old has a chance vs my Raven, with tech 2 precision cruise and a faction webber not to mention the 5 tech2 scout drones i got on your arse..... LEts not even get into what happens when I use a smaller tech2 ship decked in tech2 mods. Most agony pilots would refer to you as a "tech 2 pinyata". Originally by: Nanobotter Mk2 I mean you are right that there is some basic strategy and set ups, but as a 2 month old pilot you are EXTREMELY limited in your set up options to start with. Yes, people have been saying that since we started pvp university. They get really quiet in local when we send them home in their pod without their 200 million isk tech 2 fitted HAC. Originally by: Nanobotter Mk2 Can you contribute... yes a very little bit but still contribute, you do need to blob though. Again your usage of "blob." You sound to me like a large ship snob. One of those who think they should auto defeat all players who fly something smaller. Luckily CCP thinks such pilots are foolish as well. Originally by: Nanobotter Mk2 You are just missing far to many skills at 2 months to perform well. The difference between tech2 and tech1 is quite huge. We have trial account students that do just fine. Trained players can do a great many things with little equipment but even a char with millions of SP will do horrible if the player controlling him isnt trained. Originally by: Nanobotter Mk2 Can a blob of 2 month old players in frigates cause some heart ache? Sure but your suggesting you don;t need to blob which is utter nonesense. 2 month old players in frigates are'nt even capable of breaking any decent teh 2 ships tank to be honest....unless they blob. Yes a single frigate cant break the tank of a tech 2 fitted raven. The player age and SP count is irrelevent to this rather amazingly obvious statment. Originally by: Nanobotter Mk2 I think it is a great post, it is extremely sugar coated relying on the special circumstances where you can survive with 2 month of sp in a t1 frig. None the less good info, just stretched a bit to far though. Now apply what rells said to a 6 month player and your cooking with gas. We have proved people like you wrong hundreds of times and we will continue to do so. PvP Universtiy has had over 600 students and we are booked so solid that it is amazing. Elitists would like the newbie to be your tackler and water boy. We teach the newbies how to blow the elitists up. Isnt it time you learned how to fight back?
Michiyo Daishi Royal Knights of Khanid	Posted - 2006.09.08 04:59:00 - [33] /request option 1 for STICKY! XD > want a sig like mine? :D
Nanobotter Mk2	Posted - 2006.09.08 05:16:00 - [34] "A blob? Oh you mean a single tech 2 frigtate flown by an experienced pilot can take you out in your tech 2 fitted raven? YOu compare apples to gorillas and try to use it to justify your argument. And as a point of order, the coloquaial usage of "blob" is by a single jock with his nose in the air that just got taken out by a well organized and led gang. You got "blobbed" as you put it because you were STUPID or OUT MANEUVERED. That happens to be called "tactics"." Yawn, stop changing your own words. You said 2 month old in a t1 frig. I called your BS, and will put up my rigged up raven with webbers, and t2 precision missles with t2 drones vs your 2 month old t1 frig pilot and win every single time, worst case scenario I warp away. I aknowledged that if it is a small blob of those pilots i could be in trouble yes, BUT YOU SAID NO BLOBING either. Look I am not knocking what your saying but your exxagerating when you make claims like a t1 2 month old SP player can take a solid bigger ship set up to deal with small ships. That was my point. I hate to burst your bubble but people flying t2 fitting ships also know how to pilot, maybe not everyone of them but enough, plus flying can ONLY do so much..... and you know what if your webbed your piloting means JACK SH1T.
Jim McGregor Caldari	Posted - 2006.09.08 05:19:00 - [35] Edited by: Jim McGregor on 08/09/2006 05:21:04 I agree with everything in this post... its sad to listen to the rookie corp channel and see people getting warned about trying to pvp before they are 6 months old. I hope posts like this help spread the knowledge that Eve is indeed a tactical game where setups matter alot more than skillpoints. Just get out there and lose 50 t1 frigates. That will teach you alot. --- Eve Wiki \| Eve Tribune \| Eve Pirate
Rells Caldari Agony Unleashed	Posted - 2006.09.08 05:56:00 - [36] Originally by: Jim McGregor Edited by: Jim McGregor on 08/09/2006 05:21:04 I agree with everything in this post... its sad to listen to the rookie corp channel and see people getting warned about trying to pvp before they are 6 months old. I hope posts like this help spread the knowledge that Eve is indeed a tactical game where setups matter alot more than skillpoints. Just get out there and lose 50 t1 frigates. That will teach you alot. 20 will do it with good leadership and leave you pretty much invulnerable to single ships. Isnt it time you learned how to fight back?
Colonel Ripper The Older Gamers Ascendant Frontier	Posted - 2006.09.08 06:02:00 - [37] But losing 50 is so much more fun :D Good post, all new players should read it.
Rells Caldari Agony Unleashed	Posted - 2006.09.08 06:07:00 - [38] Originally by: Colonel Ripper But losing 50 is so much more fun :D Good post, all new players should read it. I find more than 40 to be unmanageable with disconnects and so on. Isnt it time you learned how to fight back?
Suki Casanave Agony Unleashed	Posted - 2006.09.08 06:21:00 - [39] sticky it !!!
Zingu	Posted - 2006.09.08 06:26:00 - [40] I guess another point with the frig gangs would be to gang up a player with high leadership skills, would realy make things go more smoothly I suppose. How good are attached battlecruisers with two, three gang modules in system to these swarms? I can imagine one of the biggest assets of a roaming frig swarm is its mobility and thus a BC would have problems keeping up, well not to mention one lost BC would hurt as much as loosing half the frigate swarm. Think I'll try out your courses once I've managed to secure a couple of jump clones.

Saerid Amarr FinFleet Lotka Volterra	Posted - 2006.09.08 06:33:00 - [41] Edited by: Saerid on 08/09/2006 06:35:56 Too much of a recruiting post even if the material is otherwise good and useful. The tips are OK. Success in pvp seems to be mainly an attitude question in EVE for the new guys. Something along the lines of who dares wins. SP is overemphasized. As for tackling.. you're mixing apples and oranges there. New people aren't asked to tackle because it would be easy or necessary succesful, it just tends to be the lowest SP req niche job in bigger fleets (fleets in this context being mainly battleships and whatever else happens to be needed for support). And it is useful even if the rifters were going pop pop pop every 30 seconds. Which isn't to say there wouldn't be other options relatively early on, just not in the first week or so (EW BBs come to mind. Can get started with relatively few SPs and it'll keep going up in efficiency for a long time with more SP)
Nicocat Caldari	Posted - 2006.09.08 06:49:00 - [42] Originally by: Jim McGregor Edited by: Jim McGregor on 08/09/2006 05:21:04 I agree with everything in this post... its sad to listen to the rookie corp channel and see people getting warned about trying to pvp before they are 6 months old. I hope posts like this help spread the knowledge that Eve is indeed a tactical game where setups matter alot more than skillpoints. Just get out there and lose 50 t1 frigates. That will teach you alot. looks up from his diet of delicious cruisers 6 months?! Is that what they're telling rookies? ****, if I had to carebear it up for 6 months before I could whomp people, I'd play some random free MMO where level grinding actually dictated in-game 'skill.' I've been murdering people with the aid of my trusty, rusty Cyclone since about 3 months... ---------------------------- The opinions expressed by Nico do not reflect his corporation. He's just an ass. -Alexi Yes, I PvP in a Hookbill. How insane am I? EVE-Mail me and tell me!
Alliaanna Dalaii Gallente Does Not Compute	Posted - 2006.09.08 07:05:00 - [43] Great post, A little bit too much self promosion mind. But ** it, He made the post he can self promote if he wants Alliaanna** DNC Treasure Hunt !!
Noluck Ned FATAL REVELATIONS Lotka Volterra	Posted - 2006.09.08 08:09:00 - [44] If anybody can name one single corp or hell one single person, who has done more to promote PVP or done more to actively try to encourage newer pilots to try it out, I would like to hear it. Here is someone not only dispelling many of the myths cultivated on these forums in order to instill even more fear into inexperienced players(see point in OP about fear and awe) but also offering a proper course and a way to experience it for themselves. Rells is not asking you to like him, but even his greatest detractors have to grant him the respect he deserves. You dont have to fear your enemy but only a fool would fail to respect a dangerous opponent. When you are done with his course you will NOT be granted godlike powers of solo frigate PWNage, thats why they call their course PVP BASIC. You will come away with exactly that: The solid grounding on which to add your experience and the knowledge to avoid MANY of the common mistakes which will get you killed in PVP. It costs 5 mill now, but when you first use those skills to save your 100 mill ship you will understand that 5 mill was dirt cheap. When you save it for the 10th time still using those same tips....well its an investment that continues to pay off. Without a doubt the single best 5 mill I ever invested in EVE. Keep it up agony. Originally by: Posidrive So technically being a pirate is't quite as easy as I thought after reading this guide.
Krexus Amarr Reunited	Posted - 2006.09.08 08:17:00 - [45] The man is right, training and experience willwin over brute force. To OP excellent post it will help newer players in the world of PvP. --------- yes i kill topics They never got me Originally by: Red Knight Your forum-foo is strong
d'hofren Queens of the Stone Age Chimaera Pact	Posted - 2006.09.08 08:21:00 - [46] Originally by: Nanobotter Mk2 Edited by: Nanobotter Mk2 on 08/09/2006 05:25:33 "A blob? Oh you mean a single tech 2 frigtate flown by an experienced pilot can take you out in your tech 2 fitted raven? YOu compare apples to gorillas and try to use it to justify your argument. And as a point of order, the coloquaial usage of "blob" is by a single jock with his nose in the air that just got taken out by a well organized and led gang. You got "blobbed" as you put it because you were STUPID or OUT MANEUVERED. That happens to be called "tactics"." Yawn, stop changing your own words. You said 2 month old in a t1 frig. I called your BS, and will put up my rigged up raven with webbers, and t2 precision missles with t2 drones vs your 2 month old t1 frig pilot and win every single time, worst case scenario I warp away. I aknowledged that if it is a small blob of those pilots i could be in trouble yes, BUT YOU SAID NO BLOBING either. Look I am not knocking what your saying but your exxagerating when you make claims like a t1 2 month old SP player can take a solid bigger ship set up to deal with small ships. That was my point. Saying 10 frigs can take a BS is a reasonable claim. I hate to burst your bubble but people flying t2 fitting ships also know how to pilot, maybe not everyone of them but enough, plus flying can ONLY do so much..... and you know what if your webbed your piloting means JACK SH1T. Again great info it just came off to me like you were suggesting 1-2 guys in t1 frigs can pwns vets in decked out t2 ships, which is patently not true if your fighting a well played vet :P a bunch of guys in cheap t1 frigs can rock someone in a 150 mill BS set up or worse. to me 10 on 1 is blobing. I feel it is an aspect that is broke in eve that I think most folks use the phrase blob when the group gets to over 20 or so. less than that tends to be called either a gang or a small fleet. Bellow that it doesn't really show up on the map and as such isn't a "blob". Well, I know thats how it has worked for most folks I have flown with. Also not every t2 ship pilot know how to pilot in a pvp situation. Remember it is quite common to run into someone who has spent the last year flying agent missions in high sec. It seems to me that the best thing about rells courses is that he will help folks over that combat blindness that most folks suffer the first few times. Chop out the covert advertising and I would suggest a sticky.
Oleg K77	Posted - 2006.09.08 08:35:00 - [47] Difference between "fleet"/"squad" and "blob" is quite simple. "We" are the high organized and trained "fleet", "They" are ugly clueless "blob".

Saucerhead Forum Moderator	Posted - 2006.09.08 09:04:00 - [48] While i see lot of useful information in Rell's post, this thread will not be stickied, certainly not in EVE General Discussion, simply because we have to limit amount of stickied threads to keep the forums tidy. What i will do instead is link this thread from New to EVE? [READ ME!] thread in EVE New Citizens Q&A. -- Read the Rules!

Khajit Smitty Minmatar MisFunk Inc.	Posted - 2006.09.08 10:24:00 - [49] good post !! @The Tech2 fitted BS pilot with precision cruise's and T2 light drones - as rells said "T2 pinyata" gonna be xmas when you pop
Crumplecorn Gallente Aerial Boundaries Inc. Interstellar Starbase Syndicate	Posted - 2006.09.08 10:30:00 - [50] Originally by: Rells "tech 2 pinyata" Originally by: Rells compare apples to gorillas roflcopter ----------

Darineah Charach Minmatar The Splinter Syndicate SMASH Alliance	Posted - 2006.09.08 11:42:00 - [51] Excellent post. Still hoping for an Aussie TZ friendly course, recent events in my corp have only made me hungrier to get better at PVP. ------- Boxing Kangaroo
Schlepperchen	Posted - 2006.09.08 11:50:00 - [52] Originally by: Rells Myth: The best way to start PvP is to get in a fast frigate, put on a Microwarp drive and a disruptor and go tackle for a bigger ship. This will probably teach you how to die and use your pod but that is about all. A tech 1 frigate with a MWD has the signal radius of a battlecruiser. For those new to Eve, that means that is it EXTREMELY easy to hit you with big guns. Without the MWD, its like a deck gun of a real life destroyer trying to target a Speed Boat. Anyone who tells you to go "tackle" to get into PvP is SERIOUSLY misinformed. On top of that, without exceptionally good skills you wont be able to hold MWD and disruptor on a target for long without running out of capacitor energy; so on top of being suicidal, it is ineffective. A Rifter with a named MWD, small cap battery and cap relays can hold a 15km orbit with more then 2000m/s with a 20km running forever. It will outrun med drones and even med guns will have a problem to hit it below 30km range. I stopped reading your post at this point.
Dupac Corsets and Carebears Whips and Chains	Posted - 2006.09.08 11:58:00 - [53] It's a very good post and I'd agree with 90% of it - something I can't say about 90% of posts :( but "Pirates often compound this psychological weapon by being nasty and agressive in local" I wouldn't tar everyone with the same brush - there are quite a number of pirates who don't smack, know what they are doing and are as good in small gangs as any other organisation out there....
Vasiliyan PAX Interstellar Services Veritas Immortalis	Posted - 2006.09.08 13:01:00 - [54] Originally by: Schlepperchen A Rifter with a named MWD, small cap battery and cap relays can hold a 15km orbit with more then 2000m/s with a 20km running forever. It will outrun med drones and even med guns will have a problem to hit it below 30km range. I stopped reading your post at this point. Did you compute that with max skills or new player skills?
Sever Aldaria Agony Unleashed	Posted - 2006.09.08 15:36:00 - [55] Edited by: Sever Aldaria on 08/09/2006 15:42:18 Originally by: Vasiliyan Originally by: Schlepperchen A Rifter with a named MWD, small cap battery and cap relays can hold a 15km orbit with more then 2000m/s with a 20km running forever. It will outrun med drones and even med guns will have a problem to hit it below 30km range. I stopped reading your post at this point. Did you compute that with max skills or new player skills? Not only that, but what about yon theoretical geddon just 40km away from what you're orbiting? Now that you are the size of a battlecruiser and you can't orbit every ship at once, you'll go pop fast and painless. On the other hand, orbiting at 6000m with AB will give you about the same transversal w/out the huge sig radius, cap penalty, or the need to fill up all the rest of your slots with cap mods. Downside? you're in web range if the ship has a web but, then again, you too can web. Then again, orbiting at 500m no AB or mwd you get more transversal velocity than the other but now you're in smartbomb range if the ship has smartbombs but, then again, you too can sma... uhh, yeah.
Rells Caldari Agony Unleashed	Posted - 2006.09.08 17:23:00 - [56] Originally by: Vasiliyan Originally by: Schlepperchen A Rifter with a named MWD, small cap battery and cap relays can hold a 15km orbit with more then 2000m/s with a 20km running forever. It will outrun med drones and even med guns will have a problem to hit it below 30km range. I stopped reading your post at this point. Did you compute that with max skills or new player skills? Not likely. Just the MWD takes a bit of time to get itself. Tack on the other engineering you need to make this go and you have a 1 to 2 month char, not counting learning skills. I could accomplish this (though I dislike suicide) but your average new player couldnt. Isnt it time you learned how to fight back?
Death Kill Caldari direkte	Posted - 2006.09.08 17:33:00 - [57] Edited by: Death Kill on 08/09/2006 17:35:08 It might not be recruitment, but its the worst 'pat on the back' I have ever seen. Pity the law of 'jante' isnt wider known. Recruitment
Gabriel Kain	Posted - 2006.09.08 17:38:00 - [58] Originally by: Rells Edited by: Rells on 07/09/2006 20:21:23 Myth: All you have to do to PvP is to press F1 - F8. Totally untrue. PvP in Eve is incredibly complex, to the point of making other games look just plain silly. Everything from how you set up your ship to how to fly it in combat is a science. Players that think PvP is just aobut hitting keys die very fast when confronted by experienced pvpers. True. Sadly all this science about fittings and flying techniques is only related to how you press f1-f8 which is in fact all you have to do.
Rells Caldari Agony Unleashed	Posted - 2006.09.08 19:24:00 - [59] Originally by: Gabriel Kain Originally by: Rells Edited by: Rells on 07/09/2006 20:21:23 Myth: All you have to do to PvP is to press F1 - F8. Totally untrue. PvP in Eve is incredibly complex, to the point of making other games look just plain silly. Everything from how you set up your ship to how to fly it in combat is a science. Players that think PvP is just aobut hitting keys die very fast when confronted by experienced pvpers. True. Sadly all this science about fittings and flying techniques is only related to how you press f1-f8 which is in fact all you have to do. Very very untrue. Stop flying with gank squads in "gank or flee" fleets and actually think tactically and strategically. You will find that in actuality you couldnt be more wrong if you tried. Isnt it time you learned how to fight back?
Kaar Art of War Cult of War	Posted - 2006.09.09 02:16:00 - [60] Originally by: Rells Very very untrue. Stop flying with gank squads in "gank or flee" fleets and actually think tactically and strategically. ROFL oh Rells you do make me laugh. --- ---



Pages: 1 [2] 3 4 :: one page
First page \| Previous page \| Next page \| Last page

COPYRIGHT NOTICE
EVE Online, the EVE logo, EVE and all associated logos and designs are the intellectual property of CCP hf. All artwork, screenshots, characters, vehicles, storylines, world facts or other recognizable features of the intellectual property relating to these trademarks are likewise the intellectual property of CCP hf. EVE Online and the EVE logo are the registered trademarks of CCP hf. All rights are reserved worldwide. All other trademarks are the property of their respective owners. CCP hf. has granted permission to EVE-Search.com to use EVE Online and all associated logos and designs for promotional and information purposes on its website but does not endorse, and is not in any way affiliated with, EVE-Search.com. CCP is in no way responsible for the content on or functioning of this website, nor can it be liable for any damage arising from the use of this website.