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Dark M00n	Posted - 2006.09.10 19:03:00 - [1] The old Amarr vs Minmatar war... The Maller aka Duramaller vs the Rupture.. These are both good ships, probably the best cruisers in the game. But which one is the best? Take note of each ships damage and tank capabilites, capacitor, EW (electronic warfare) as well as their overall act in PvP and PvE when listing your opinion
Aeaus Tharsis Security	Posted - 2006.09.10 19:11:00 - [2] No contest for the Rupture, the Duramaller is easily one of the worst Tier III cruisers in the game. Join Tharsis! - Get Sexy Sigs
inSpirAcy The Solopwnmobiles	Posted - 2006.09.10 19:11:00 - [3] I don't even need to think about it, for my purposes it's the Rupture hands down. The Maller just can't put in the hurt with a reasonable fit. Sitting around tanking endlessly while tickling the enemy isn't much use in my line of work.
Rehmes	Posted - 2006.09.10 19:14:00 - [4] I would pick the rupture in a close fight...i wouldnt sell the maller short. Dmg isnt its problem, its the dmg type. If lasers had higher therm base dmg then ud have a more capable maller. Ofc along w less cap need for lasers. I think this is the only thing holding the amarians back. Back to topic its simple. Rupture uses fusion and there goes ur tank.......
Famine Aligher'ri	Posted - 2006.09.10 19:44:00 - [5] Originally by: Aeaus No contest for the Rupture, the Duramaller is easily one of the worst Tier III cruisers in the game.
Lisento Slaven Amarr The Drekla Consortium New Eve Order	Posted - 2006.09.10 19:52:00 - [6] I had a Maller with web + scram + ab and 2 NOS in the highs (along with cruiser sized pulse lasers) and I beat a rupture once. My tank lasted longer than his could. He was using a close up setup of course with a MWD + Scram + Web. I think he only had one NOS. The tank on the maller can be useful but the ship just does not feel good in PVP at all. --- Lisento Slaven wants to be a Space Whaler in EVE. Put in space whales!
Rant Anplan	Posted - 2006.09.10 19:54:00 - [7] If you gimp your grid by using battleship armor plates on a cruiser then it comes to no surprise that you don't do any damage. The Maller is very flexible due to its extra low slot and the built in plate, so use that flexibility.
Dixon Caldari	Posted - 2006.09.10 19:55:00 - [8] Originally by: Famine Aligher'ri Originally by: Aeaus No contest for the Rupture, the Duramaller is easily one of the worst Tier III cruisers in the game. People often forget that the Moa is a tier III cruiser.. - - - - - - I have no strong feelings one way or the other...
twisted 1	Posted - 2006.09.10 19:55:00 - [9] well, best cruisers is: no particular order.. Thorax Rupture Blackbird Caracal(ew ftw!)
inSpirAcy The Solopwnmobiles	Posted - 2006.09.10 19:59:00 - [10] Originally by: Dixon People often forget that the Moa is a tier III cruiser..
Aeaus Tharsis Security	Posted - 2006.09.10 20:41:00 - [11] Originally by: Dixon Originally by: Famine Aligher'ri Originally by: Aeaus No contest for the Rupture, the Duramaller is easily one of the worst Tier III cruisers in the game. People often forget that the Moa is a tier III cruiser.. Notice how I said "easily one of..." the Moa has to have it's place somewhere. But I really am not sure if it's good or bad, I never used it or considered it, just assume it's fairly bad due to it's rather lacking damage output. Join Tharsis! - Get Sexy Sigs
Angus McLean	Posted - 2006.09.10 20:44:00 - [12] Originally by: twisted 1 well, best cruisers is: no particular order.. Thorax Rupture Blackbird Caracal(ew ftw!) Everyone please note the 75 page Amarr thread, and how another user on this forums just spelled out how bad Amarr's T1 ships are for you, not one ship makes it on the best list.
OhMyGodess Caldari Xenobytes Against ALL Authorities	Posted - 2006.09.10 20:50:00 - [13] Vexor and Celestis are too well used btw not too much moa thought
Kuentai Beagle Corp	Posted - 2006.09.10 21:03:00 - [14] Killed a cerb in my med pulse II, duel rep maller. So I wouldn't put it to one side as the worst tier 3 myself. - "The good man has few enemies, but the ruthless... None."
Zosimos Sabina Amarr Loot	Posted - 2006.09.10 21:11:00 - [15] Edited by: Zosimos Sabina on 10/09/2006 21:13:30 Edited by: Zosimos Sabina on 10/09/2006 21:11:27 Originally by: Kuentai Killed a cerb in my med pulse II, dual rep maller. So I wouldn't put it to one side as the worst tier 3 myself. I killed a Titan in an Ibis once. Rupture > Maller... It can fit almost as good a tank, while being faster, and while doing almost 40% more damage.
Vizgoth	Posted - 2006.09.10 21:14:00 - [16] Duramaller with autocannons if you are worried about damage type. Takes awhile to get to target but it tanks alot better. This is for pve, I am a carebear so do not know about pvp. Can do all lvl 3's with it while some struggle on lvl 3's with a BS
Dixon Caldari	Posted - 2006.09.10 21:53:00 - [17] Originally by: Aeaus Originally by: Dixon Originally by: Famine Aligher'ri Originally by: Aeaus No contest for the Rupture, the Duramaller is easily one of the worst Tier III cruisers in the game. People often forget that the Moa is a tier III cruiser.. Notice how I said "easily one of..." the Moa has to have it's place somewhere. But I really am not sure if it's good or bad, I never used it or considered it, just assume it's fairly bad due to it's rather lacking damage output. I'm not saying you aren't right about that. I still think that while mentioning bad tier III cruisers one should never leave the Moa out. - - - - - - I have no strong feelings one way or the other...
HolographicEntrypoint The Collective Against ALL Authorities	Posted - 2006.09.10 23:00:00 - [18] Rupture should win this one. --- ^ Custom Sigs for ISK My custom Sigs Gallery
Famine Aligher'ri	Posted - 2006.09.10 23:01:00 - [19] Originally by: HolographicEntrypoint Rupture should win this one. New to the game eh?
Ituralde Fate.	Posted - 2006.09.10 23:37:00 - [20] Rupture wins. Those ACs swat hard and still allow for enough of a tank to deal with the weak-hitting overarmored Maller. Its a long fight (ive been in it =/) but the maller will go down 9 times out of 10. The maller is really a gang ship designed to play tank boy and anti-frigate support IMO. Fear is the mind-killer.
Phrixus Zephyr Singularity.	Posted - 2006.09.11 00:40:00 - [21] Originally by: twisted 1 well, best cruisers is: no particular order.. Thorax Rupture Blackbird Caracal(ew ftw!) + Vexor
Rehmes	Posted - 2006.09.11 01:55:00 - [22] Originally by: Phrixus Zephyr Originally by: twisted 1 well, best cruisers is: no particular order.. Thorax Rupture Blackbird Caracal(ew ftw!) + Vexor U forgot to put in the bellicose in that list
Lienzo Minmatar	Posted - 2006.09.11 05:04:00 - [23] Easy. All things being equal in pilot know-how and ew, then statistically: One Rupture vs. One Maller - Rupture wins w/ or w/out any form of ew. 2-3 Ruptures vs. 2-3 Mallers - Mallers win. It's a simple matter of focused fire, range and tracking.
Gasi Kobayashi Naughty 40	Posted - 2006.09.11 05:43:00 - [24] DuraMallers are crap if you ask me ... i prefer 3 nos, 3 focused pulse, 1 med 1 small repairer and exp,kin,therm hardeners ... this is setup i use and i think i would beat rupture in this ----------- Please imagine picture of your choice here. Thank you, Gasi Kobayashi
OrangeAfroMan Suffoco Noctis Atrocitas	Posted - 2006.09.11 07:47:00 - [25] Originally by: Famine Aligher'ri Originally by: Aeaus No contest for the Rupture, the Duramaller is easily one of the worst Tier III cruisers in the game. Ah thank god Famine's still around, you can expect an evemail with many questions from me soon ♥ Gronsak is Tux's angry alt.
Dark M00n	Posted - 2006.09.11 09:43:00 - [26] Originally by: Gasi Kobayashi DuraMallers are crap if you ask me ... i prefer 3 nos, 3 focused pulse, 1 med 1 small repairer and exp,kin,therm hardeners ... this is setup i use and i think i would beat rupture in this pls explain..you are for the Maller or the Rupture? Also, for solo 1 vs 1, you could fit a Maller with projectiles so that it won't drain your cap...what are the odds now? I think not so good for Rupture. As well, in order to take full advantage of the Rupture's versatility in damage (turrets and missiles) you should have lot more skills that you would need on a Maller. So here's my opinion, in gang, Maller definetly wins. In solo, you just need a good setup with the right skills. With the Rupture it's like this: lots of skills. With the Maller it's few skills but the right ones. So overall Maller wins - better tank, very good damage with autocannons, and all with fewer skills. And I would hardley name it the worse t1 lvl3 cruiser ingame. The Amarr are just a more elaborate race.
Arshes Nei Dark-Rising Xelas Alliance	Posted - 2006.09.11 11:49:00 - [27] Edited by: Arshes Nei on 11/09/2006 11:53:00 Originally by: Dark M00n Originally by: Gasi Kobayashi DuraMallers are crap if you ask me ... i prefer 3 nos, 3 focused pulse, 1 med 1 small repairer and exp,kin,therm hardeners ... this is setup i use and i think i would beat rupture in this pls explain..you are for the Maller or the Rupture? Also, for solo 1 vs 1, you could fit a Maller with projectiles so that it won't drain your cap...what are the odds now? I think not so good for Rupture. As well, in order to take full advantage of the Rupture's versatility in damage (turrets and missiles) you should have lot more skills that you would need on a Maller. So here's my opinion, in gang, Maller definetly wins. In solo, you just need a good setup with the right skills. With the Rupture it's like this: lots of skills. With the Maller it's few skills but the right ones. So overall Maller wins - better tank, very good damage with autocannons, and all with fewer skills. And I would hardley name it the worse t1 lvl3 cruiser ingame. The Amarr are just a more elaborate race. So you want to use ACs on a maller? Are you aware that the rupture actually gets a rof AND a damage bonus? If you call 5 ACs without any boni very good damage then how do you call ACs or blasters WITH damageboni? Not only does your maller less damage, it also has less nos and no drones. Never felt the urge to fly a maller tbh even though i have amarr cruiser 5, i rather take the rupture even though my skills for that ship are worse. Never once have i been in a situation with my rupture where i have thought "oh i wish i would be in a maller with ACs now ...", sad but true . You either sacrifice a nos or you sacrifice far too much damage, the drones alone are over 70dps you dont get not even to mention the worse damage its 5 ACs would have over the ruptures 4 ... And the skills needed for a maller and a rupture are basicly the same, why use missiles if you can use nos? You need a bit more skills to use the drones on the rupture granted, but even without them i would prefer the rupture. Edit: What you also completly overlooked is that your AC maller wont be able to get out of a thorax's optimal blaster range, while with a rupture i have a good chance of actually utilizing the superior falloff of my guns and the fact that i most likely have more med nos on me than most other cruisers.
jerrard iceni	Posted - 2006.09.11 12:31:00 - [28] Originally by: Rehmes Originally by: Phrixus Zephyr Originally by: twisted 1 well, best cruisers is: no particular order.. Thorax Rupture Blackbird Caracal(ew ftw!) + Vexor U forgot to put in the bellicose in that list dont dis the belli! i have killed mallers and ruptures solo in a belli b4. the only ship in the above list i struggle to solo is the thorax
Heiken Wimast Amarr Clan LoKi Myriad Alliance	Posted - 2006.09.12 01:48:00 - [29] So title is Rupture vs Maller. While they are fighting with each other Thorax will come to arena and b"EAT" both of em and will leave for new adventures.
Dorque	Posted - 2006.09.12 02:11:00 - [30] Originally by: Heiken Wimast So title is Rupture vs Maller. While they are fighting with each other Thorax will come to arena and b"EAT" both of em and will leave for new adventures. Im assuming everyone is reffering to gankrax's?
Mortuus Minmatar Oblivion's Gate	Posted - 2006.09.12 02:29:00 - [31] Really? I find a Thorax dies very fast when you hit it with a t2 fitted Arty Ruppy....you know, something like 13-19 seconds or so. I two volleyed one with Quake ammo, first volley took down the shields, seconds killed him. Rupture 4tW. Its also been known to kill BS and HACs solo with Artys. ex-Occassus Republica <3
Angus McLean	Posted - 2006.09.12 02:39:00 - [32] Attention please Please turnst all thou heads in nigh direction. You realize half the posts prove the the Maller with AC's stands a chance to beat a rupture? With FREAKING AC's... In case some newer players didnt notice, Mallers SHOULD fit lasers... case rested. With racial weapons its clear that Rupture > Maller. Both fitted with AC's its still pretty clear Rupture > Maller. Basically we've established, EVE physics > Amarr
Tasty Burger	Posted - 2006.09.12 02:43:00 - [33] Whats wrong with using other race turrets on amarr ships? Its not against the rules. I can see why you wouldn't use lasers or projectiles on gallente, or hybrids or lasers on minmatar, because they both get damage bonuses, but amarr are unique because they can use lasers for more damage, or projectiles for more versatility/cap.
Heiken Wimast Amarr Clan LoKi Myriad Alliance	Posted - 2006.09.12 03:09:00 - [34] Originally by: Mortuus Really? I find a Thorax dies very fast when you hit it with a t2 fitted Arty Ruppy....you know, something like 13-19 seconds or so. I two volleyed one with Quake ammo, first volley took down the shields, seconds killed him. Rupture 4tW. Its also been known to kill BS and HACs solo with Artys. Yea yea i can pop any1 with my uber sniper tempest from 300au... Originally by: Angus McLean Basically we've established, EVE physics > Amarr QFT!
Areconus	Posted - 2006.09.12 03:14:00 - [35] Edited by: Areconus on 12/09/2006 03:15:37 Originally by: jerrard iceni Originally by: Rehmes Originally by: Phrixus Zephyr Originally by: twisted 1 well, best cruisers is: no particular order.. Thorax Rupture Blackbird Caracal(ew ftw!) + Vexor U forgot to put in the bellicose in that list dont dis the belli! i have killed mallers and ruptures solo in a belli b4. the only ship in the above list i struggle to solo is the thorax SO how does the bellicose rank up? never flown it before but it obviously would be extremely useful in gang warfare say....cough rage raven cough.... edit: so the rupture seems to be the pretty clear winner, now how about the rupture and the thorax???
Angus McLean Gallente Divinity Trials	Posted - 2006.09.12 03:23:00 - [36] Originally by: Tasty Burger Whats wrong with using other race turrets on amarr ships? Its not against the rules. I can see why you wouldn't use lasers or projectiles on gallente, or hybrids or lasers on minmatar, because they both get damage bonuses, but amarr are unique because they can use lasers for more damage, or projectiles for more versatility/cap. Its not that its game breaking wrong, but its ethicaly wrong if you catch my drift. You dont stuff shutgun shells in an M-16, it just wasnt meant to be. And its a mind issue. Yes people do it and yes its better, but if we have to use other peoples guns on ships that are meant to be Laser platforms then something is sickly wrong. Sadly its true- "Basically we've established, EVE physics > Amarr "
Mortuus Minmatar Oblivion's Gate	Posted - 2006.09.12 07:28:00 - [37] If you can't kill people like that, you aren't picking the right targets. Ever seen a beam geddon try and fire at 10km? Ruppy will hit it just fine orbitting. ex-Occassus Republica <3
Stephar The High Priest	Posted - 2006.09.12 08:44:00 - [38] Originally by: Tasty Burger Whats wrong with using other race turrets on amarr ships? Its not against the rules. I can see why you wouldn't use lasers or projectiles on gallente, or hybrids or lasers on minmatar, because they both get damage bonuses, but amarr are unique because they can use lasers for more damage, or projectiles for more versatility/cap. Can you name an Amarrian ship that gets a bonus to projectiles? Nearly all of them get laser bonuses. The only reason that you see Mallers with autocannons is because there is something seriously wrong with lasers.
Ruah Piskonit Amarr PIE Inc.	Posted - 2006.09.12 08:48:00 - [39] Edited by: Ruah Piskonit on 12/09/2006 08:48:39 The Rupture is a powerful killer Cruiser while the Maller is not. Anyone PvPing in a Maller is not doing so out of choise but because they got caught and would run if they could. Now an Omen vs a Rupture would be a better contest - and even here the fight would be very short. The truth of the matter is, we Amarr have the best fleet/gang ships but in solo situations the Rebel Minmatar have the upper hand. Of course, if you outskill and outsmart the Rupture, you could win with a Maller. But with equal skills - you either run or you die.
General Apocalypse	Posted - 2006.09.12 10:29:00 - [40] Maller wins. Here's how to do it. 2 x Medium Nos 2 x Focused Medium Pulse Laser 2 x 425 mm Autocanons 1 x AB 1 x web 1 x scram 1 x MAR 2 x EANM II 1 x Damage Control 2 x 400 mm plate It's a tight fit. But if you can put it all together you shoud be able to kill ruptures .
Dred 'Morte Sabre Inc Center for Disease Creation	Posted - 2006.09.12 10:31:00 - [41] I had a very close fight against a Rupture (while flying a Maller). Too bad an Omen had to show up and jam me. Pirates are not too found of honorable duels Ever since the oversized AB / 1600mm plate times that I used nothing else nothing more than LIGHT NEUTRON BLASTER IIs in the Maller. Reason? It uses litle cpu and powergride and the dps probably rivals heavy pulse, sad but true. Signature made by Mr Floppykickners
MysticNZ Solstice Systems Development Concourse	Posted - 2006.09.12 10:31:00 - [42] Originally by: Lisento Slaven I had a Maller with web + scram + ab and 2 NOS in the highs (along with cruiser sized pulse lasers) and I beat a rupture once. My tank lasted longer than his could. He was using a close up setup of course with a MWD + Scram + Web. I think he only had one NOS. The tank on the maller can be useful but the ship just does not feel good in PVP at all. Until you face someone like me who uses a passive tank and wtf pawns most bc and under classes :P Also, I don't fit any nos. Rupture will win almost always, I also always fit close range, 220mm T2 :D -=====- Xorus is teh nub :D I heard that beats player with big stick now be a good carebear and mine me some veldspar - Xorus
inSpirAcy The Solopwnmobiles	Posted - 2006.09.12 10:41:00 - [43] Originally by: Dred 'Morte Too bad an Omen had to show up and jam me. Just...
Dragy	Posted - 2006.09.12 10:47:00 - [44] Originally by: Mortuus Really? I find a Thorax dies very fast when you hit it with a t2 fitted Arty Ruppy....you know, something like 13-19 seconds or so. I two volleyed one with Quake ammo, first volley took down the shields, seconds killed him. Rupture 4tW. Its also been known to kill BS and HACs solo with Artys. haha, after your first volley you're already dead. you can't beat a rax (skilled) so fast
Garia666 Amarr adeptus gattacus Lotka Volterra	Posted - 2006.09.12 10:52:00 - [45] Durra maller doesnt exist anymore.. m8 Since the maller lost the 100mn Ab on its setup it was a goner.. I found an old setup for the new so called dura maller.. 5x medium modulated pulse lasers II 5x gamma freq cristals 1x Euthic-capicitor (18%) 1x 1600mm Thungsten rolled plates 1x 10 mn AB 1x control capacitor ( 20% cap recharge -10% shield ) 2 x small armor repairer tech II 1x Large peroxide 1 capacitor cell ( 480 energy ) 1x medium vehemence 1 shockwave charge of 1x medium NOS
Dread Phantom Caldari Project-Chaos	Posted - 2006.09.12 10:56:00 - [46] I did some extensive testing last night and rupture came out on top every time
Benjamin Olson	Posted - 2006.09.12 17:25:00 - [47] Originally by: General Apocalypse Maller wins. Here's how to do it. 2 x Medium Nos 2 x Focused Medium Pulse Laser 2 x 425 mm Autocanons 1 x AB 1 x web 1 x scram 1 x MAR 2 x EANM II 1 x Damage Control 2 x 400 mm plate It's a tight fit. But if you can put it all together you shoud be able to kill ruptures . That high slot layout has to say something about Amarrs current state...
Dark M00n	Posted - 2006.09.12 17:27:00 - [48] Originally by: Dread Phantom I did some extensive testing last night and rupture came out on top every time And what were those testing exactley? As for the maller being a ship mented to fit lasers...there is no problem with it as long as the bonus doesn't involve lasers. It's ment to tank, that's why the bonuses, and with the right skills you get a pretty mean tank. And that's the beauty of it, that you pretty much can fit any weapon you want and surprise your opponent. From lasers to AC and to blasters... So if 1 vs 1 Maller fit with lasers and at an equal skill level the Rupture might win, overall Maller is the winner. Both at pvp and pve. As in gang, rupture don't stand a chance...
Dark M00n	Posted - 2006.09.12 17:37:00 - [49] Originally by: General Apocalypse Maller wins. Here's how to do it. 2 x Medium Nos 2 x Focused Medium Pulse Laser 2 x 425 mm Autocanons 1 x AB 1 x web 1 x scram 1 x MAR 2 x EANM II 1 x Damage Control 2 x 400 mm plate It's a tight fit. But if you can put it all together you shoud be able to kill ruptures . I like this fit. Looks pretty sick
Benjamin Olson	Posted - 2006.09.12 17:58:00 - [50] Originally by: Dark M00n Originally by: Dread Phantom I did some extensive testing last night and rupture came out on top every time And what were those testing exactley? As for the maller being a ship mented to fit lasers...there is no problem with it as long as the bonus doesn't involve lasers. It's ment to tank, that's why the bonuses, and with the right skills you get a pretty mean tank. And that's the beauty of it, that you pretty much can fit any weapon you want and surprise your opponent. From lasers to AC and to blasters... So if 1 vs 1 Maller fit with lasers and at an equal skill level the Rupture might win, overall Maller is the winner. Both at pvp and pve. As in gang, rupture don't stand a chance... Dark moon youve been playing for 10 days...maybe you have an alt? Either way its not that we CANT fit AC's its just sad we CANT use the guns Amarr is meant to use.
Dark M00n	Posted - 2006.09.12 18:23:00 - [51] benji, the simple fact that you reffer to my character instead of coming in with arguments make your reply not worth it. And what we were discussing is not how sad it is that a ship is using other weapons that its own race. We were talking maller vs rupture. end of story so, unless you don't have something interesting to say besides the maller is ment for lasers spare me
Benjamin Olson	Posted - 2006.09.12 18:43:00 - [52] Logic my boy, logic. Maller cant dish out enough damage to take on a well setup rupture. It cant tank well, but so can the rupture, and the rupture isnt even meant for tanking. So both have good tanks, but rupture does more damage. Id say rupture wins.
Benjamin Olson	Posted - 2006.09.12 18:48:00 - [53] Ah and to tackle what im sure will be your next argument, "What if the mallers using AC's?". The Rupture has a bonus to its guns still outdamaging the Maller by 1.327% which is almost an extra turret. So as far as tank is concerned Ruptur = Maller, as far as damage is concerned, Rupture > Maller. Do we really need more evidence?
Lygos ISS Navy Task Force Interstellar Starbase Syndicate	Posted - 2006.09.12 21:57:00 - [54] Edited by: Lygos on 12/09/2006 21:58:07 Once you train Amarr Cruisers V, you will want to switch back to lasers. It really does make a huge difference. Lasers are just meant to work best at standoff distance, usually outside of webbing and nossing range. I won't say it's perfect. Lowslots could use some offensive or tactical utility, and the Omen could stand to have a higher base speed to seek its proper advantages. The Rupture absolutely is an in your face kind of ship, much like the Thorax. Compared to the Thorax it is more flexible and can start doing damage sooner, although the rax will have a much higher damage spike once it is in position. The advantage of the Maller is that it is already in position the moment it warps in. This is why it gains an advantage in numbers. Gallente probably has the best solo ships in the game simply for drones, and the logistics of gate positioning. Maller is simply not a solo ship for the most part.
Xarax Shinra Lotka Volterra	Posted - 2006.09.13 01:18:00 - [55] The plain and simple truth is this. If you have Minmatar Cruiser 5, can use T2 AC's, T2 Rocket Launchers, and T2 Drones, then the Rupture does damage on par with most HAC's, and will dominate all non EW T1 cruiser encounters. The biggest challenge with the Rupture, as with many Minmatar ships, is that you must "specialize" in many different facets of combat & defense to be effective. However, once you have put in the time to train all the necessary skills, you pwn all other non EW ships in your class (BS is the exception). All other races can train one weapon type and be highly effective, Minmatar need to train 3. Minmatar also need to train both shield and armor tanking to mount any kind of decent defense. One thing that I can tell you for sure is this, a highly skilled Rupture pilot can drop a n00b HAC pilot in a heartbeat. Just to make sure that I stay on topic here..... The Rupture, with the right skills, pwns the Maller, regardless of skills. That which does not kill you, only postpones the inevitable.
Benglada Finite Auxiliary	Posted - 2006.09.13 01:23:00 - [56] thorax vexor rupture caracal stabber maller imo. --------------------------- Originally by: Arkanor 0.0 is the Final Frontier. Bring money and friends.
Crazy Tasty	Posted - 2006.09.13 01:26:00 - [57] I've used a Maller pretty extensivly in Pvp. With light neut 2's I get about 170 DPS, with resists 65 to 75% on passive hardeners. Never lost a fight to a pilot with similar skills/age, be it a thorax, vexor, cara, or anything under a BC. Fights I have lost were to experianced (way older than me) thorax pilots and ships BC and above (imagin that), and once to an 04 char in a all NOS ishkur w/ t2 drones (think he had a full load of faction fitted to). I never liked lasers after trying them on a punisher, blasters do so much more DPS for me why not fit them? You may not be able to fit a real gank damage setup but it has been a very good ship to me.
Ryoken McKeon	Posted - 2006.09.13 01:35:00 - [58] Edited by: Ryoken McKeon on 13/09/2006 01:35:24 Pfft, Maller. If he starts losing just bubblehearth of course..... ........<.<....>.>......harhar!
Tasty Burger	Posted - 2006.09.13 01:39:00 - [59] Just face the fact that many amarr ships, like the maller, aren't supposed to go it alone with lasers.
DeadlyBob Minmatar The Short Bus Squad	Posted - 2006.09.13 01:45:00 - [60] I started as a minnie pilot. I switched to amarrian, i can fly both rupture and maller... Maller = suck. plain and simple, if you use medium guns you risk losing the sustainablity of your tank, if your fit light guns you don't do enough dps to take on a comparable cruiser, if you fit autocannons you are a heritic and should be burnt as a witch. Personaly for all its gimpedness I would rather fly an Omen in small gang or 1v1 pvp. My reasoning is thus, because of its bonuses it fires very quickly doing lots of dmg so its a mini gank geddon, the problem being the lack of tank... anywho play it like you would a thorax pop a t2 10mn ab on it and get in close and fire fire fire now i'm not saying its the best ship in fact because of the way it is constructed its very difficult to tank at all in an omen so your ship will burst into flames in rather short order. On the side note however an omen will pawn a maller for dps with medium lasers and thus dmg = win... enough of my off topic rant... maller < omen maller < ruppie omen < ruppie all cruisers 1v1 < Vexor Neither night nor day can give me purchase. Only purged dust on earth can avenge the worthless.
OrangeAfroMan Suffoco Noctis Atrocitas	Posted - 2006.09.13 02:28:00 - [61] Man, this forum is a classic example of "group think." One or two people who are very new come along and complain about Amarr, then those people who read them believed, and passed on the misinformation. The model just keeps growing and growing.. In almost any thread, like a recent thread asking for advice about interceptors, somebody told them Amarr suck, and he just said "Oh ok" and accepted it. :/ Gronsak is Tux's angry alt.
Famine Aligher'ri	Posted - 2006.09.13 04:15:00 - [62] Happens when people don't try ships out on there own and rely on input from people who might not know anything about it. Eve is pretty balanced for the most part ship wise. Some ship combos are pretty overpowering no dout. However, all combos can be countered. This isn't WoW where there is no real way to stop leet warrior from leet one shotting you with his big axe other than running like a little girl. When you fly ships in eve. Just think of them as a sandbox. You have a whole world of options out there. Maller suck? Only if you suck using it. Same goes for the Rupture. Tactics + Any Ship + Fitting + Experience = Win
Benjamin Olson	Posted - 2006.09.13 19:21:00 - [63] Edited by: Benjamin Olson on 13/09/2006 19:21:49 Haimeh. Someone who thinks the maller can win a fight, meet me in haimeh and send me an Email. For a fight against a Rupture. Any skilled minmatar pilot will drop a Maller in seconds. Tank or no Tank. And its not like were pulling numbers out of our rumpius maximus...we use the ships on a daily basis for ratting or missions. We KNOW they suck, and it gets annoying when people tell us to "shutup" or "screw it" and they havent used a Maller once in their lives. I believe it was mentioned in this thread earlier? EVE physics > Amarr.
Famine Aligher'ri	Posted - 2006.09.14 02:51:00 - [64] Originally by: Benjamin Olson Edited by: Benjamin Olson on 13/09/2006 19:21:49 Haimeh. Someone who thinks the maller can win a fight, meet me in haimeh and send me an Email. For a fight against a Rupture. Any skilled minmatar pilot will drop a Maller in seconds. Tank or no Tank. And its not like were pulling numbers out of our rumpius maximus...we use the ships on a daily basis for ratting or missions. We KNOW they suck, and it gets annoying when people tell us to "shutup" or "screw it" and they havent used a Maller once in their lives. I believe it was mentioned in this thread earlier? EVE physics > Amarr. Experience > Your input
Zosimos Sabina Amarr Loot	Posted - 2006.09.14 03:58:00 - [65] No doubt the Maller isn't a pushover, but it sure isn't a Rupture :/ Sure, I could fit a Maller to blow up a Rupture, but hopefully we're discussing general purpose pvp fits here. I just think cruiser-sized lasers need a serious fitting reduction, and quad light beams need to move to the pulse category so we can use conflag with them. I dislike SAR + 1600mm + Frig lasers, but it only makes sense with the fitting reqs on cruiser lasers being so high, with only a 10-15% dps increase; reduced vs frigs ofc. If you could actually put a decent tank and cruiser lasers on the Maller, it'd be greatly improved.
Commander Thrawn Fluffy rabbit killer's inc	Posted - 2006.09.14 04:00:00 - [66] Originally by: Famine Aligher'ri Happens when people don't try ships out on there own and rely on input from people who might not know anything about it. Eve is pretty balanced for the most part ship wise. Some ship combos are pretty overpowering no dout. However, all combos can be countered. This isn't WoW where there is no real way to stop leet warrior from leet one shotting you with his big axe other than running like a little girl. When you fly ships in eve. Just think of them as a sandbox. You have a whole world of options out there. Maller suck? Only if you suck using it. Same goes for the Rupture. Tactics + Any Ship + Fitting + Experience = Win funny comming from a minmatar char... i fly almost exclusively amarr bar my barger2 :P then again, i fly almost exclusively amarr tech2 ships with the exemption of BSs amarr tech1 cruisers and frigs blow.(not counting the arbitrator) you cannot fit heavy pulse on either the maller or the omen. its virtually impossible unless you fit in some RCU. 2 on the omen it you want a rep and after burner. it is absolutly horrible. the maller is tank wise but its dmg output is so sad any other tier3 cruiser in game will *****it, even the moa which is a crappy cruiser will beat it. vexor>maller thorax>maller caracal>maller moa>maller rupture>maller Stabber>maller omen>maller its really a bad ship fly one and see how well you do. im dead serious
Famine Aligher'ri	Posted - 2006.09.14 12:34:00 - [67] Edited by: Famine Aligher''ri on 14/09/2006 12:34:38 Originally by: Commander Thrawn Originally by: Famine Aligher'ri Happens when people don't try ships out on there own and rely on input from people who might not know anything about it. Eve is pretty balanced for the most part ship wise. Some ship combos are pretty overpowering no dout. However, all combos can be countered. This isn't WoW where there is no real way to stop leet warrior from leet one shotting you with his big axe other than running like a little girl. When you fly ships in eve. Just think of them as a sandbox. You have a whole world of options out there. Maller suck? Only if you suck using it. Same goes for the Rupture. Tactics + Any Ship + Fitting + Experience = Win funny comming from a minmatar char... i fly almost exclusively amarr bar my barger2 :P then again, i fly almost exclusively amarr tech2 ships with the exemption of BSs amarr tech1 cruisers and frigs blow.(not counting the arbitrator) you cannot fit heavy pulse on either the maller or the omen. its virtually impossible unless you fit in some RCU. 2 on the omen it you want a rep and after burner. it is absolutly horrible. the maller is tank wise but its dmg output is so sad any other tier3 cruiser in game will *****it, even the moa which is a crappy cruiser will beat it. vexor>maller thorax>maller caracal>maller moa>maller rupture>maller Stabber>maller omen>maller its really a bad ship fly one and see how well you do. im dead serious See you think it's all about the DPS. Trying to fit heavy pulses on a maller, tisktisk. Yes, I am heavly spec'ed in minmatar ships and utility. That means, when I fly a rupture, I bring the pain to the max. So I know what the ship can do as far with relation to my skillset. Maller can beat any Tech 1 cruiser in the game. More to the Maller or any cruiser to that fact than trying to get the best DPS. My rupture has more DPS than my Claw. Claw pilot can still own my Rupture. When you can understand how something with a smaller tank, less DPS, and cheaper ship can defeat my Rupture. Then you can understand how a Maller can defeat any ship.
Rant Anplan	Posted - 2006.09.14 12:52:00 - [68] Originally by: Zosimos Sabina Edited by: Zosimos Sabina on 14/09/2006 04:21:24 No doubt the Maller isn't a pushover, but it sure isn't a Rupture :/ Sure, I could fit a Maller to blow up a Rupture, but hopefully we're discussing general purpose pvp fits here. If you could fit a Maller that blows up a Rupture you have found a general purpose fitting.
Mjukisdjur	Posted - 2006.09.14 13:04:00 - [69] plz! every body is talking about rupture vs maller, but how about the moa and rax! MOA: whit 4 t2 blasters and 2 t2 heavy and in medslots you will need to fit a cap injector so you will have the cap now you will need speed to get close and a weeb the other slots you can have shieeld resistens and in low armor repair 1x rcu and 1 energis adaptiv nano plate t2 and a medium armor extender :) now ofc you will need good skills but now this ship has a much dps and whit the 2 heavy missiles that can do the big things on the armor and the blastars is going ti kill your armor repair!!! ofc do some thing like this on a rax! so now everybody the moa is a realy good ship
Nicocat Caldari	Posted - 2006.09.14 14:26:00 - [70] A Maller was part of a group that attacked my fully best-T1 kitted Cyclone yesterday. I can safely say that I didn't know a Maller could tank like that. Kudos to the pilot, and thank you for the fabulous loot. ---------------------------- The opinions expressed by Nico do not reflect his corporation. He's just an ass. -Alexi Yes, I PvP in a Hookbill. How insane am I? EVE-Mail me and tell me!
inSpirAcy The Solopwnmobiles	Posted - 2006.09.14 14:32:00 - [71] Originally by: Famine Aligher'ri Maller can beat any Tech 1 cruiser in the game. More to the Maller or any cruiser to that fact than trying to get the best DPS. My rupture has more DPS than my Claw. Claw pilot can still own my Rupture. When you can understand how something with a smaller tank, less DPS, and cheaper ship can defeat my Rupture. Then you can understand how a Maller can defeat any ship. A Claw beats your rupture by orbiting faster than your 220mm can track, by being fully passive (and hence resistant to Nos) and by being small enough that missiles won't hurt it significantly. And a Maller does all that, does it?
madaluap Gallente Mercenary Forces	Posted - 2006.09.14 14:36:00 - [72] Rupture will win vs all cruiser in any situation... gankthorax will die when rupture has 80% armor , with 1600mm plate or with mwd speed setup and using falloff. 0 cap wont hurt it and it deals great dps from quite far out. imo rupture is impossible to kill when facing a good rupture pilot, it just cannot be done... excluding special implants or faction/officer stuff on other cruiser. But i would find that odd. _________________________________________________
Nicocat Caldari	Posted - 2006.09.14 14:48:00 - [73] Originally by: Famine Aligher'ri Edited by: Famine Aligher''ri on 14/09/2006 12:34:38 Maller can beat any Tech 1 cruiser in the game. More to the Maller or any cruiser to that fact than trying to get the best DPS. My rupture has more DPS than my Claw. Claw pilot can still own my Rupture. When you can understand how something with a smaller tank, less DPS, and cheaper ship can defeat my Rupture. Then you can understand how a Maller can defeat any ship. Funny, my Rupture doesn't have Inty trouble. idly strokes his set of Hornet IIs ---------------------------- The opinions expressed by Nico do not reflect his corporation. He's just an ass. -Alexi Yes, I PvP in a Hookbill. How insane am I? EVE-Mail me and tell me!
Testy Mctest	Posted - 2006.09.14 14:57:00 - [74] OK. Rupture vs Maller. We're all agreed, the Rupture is one of the best cruisers out there. There will always be one ship that's better than others in any given class; true balance is impossible. However, of all ship classes, cruisers are one of the most balanced; Mallers aren't so far removed from Ruptures that a better player won't win. Now for example compare a Dominix vs an Apoc, where even a bad Dominix pilot would beat an Apoc if it caught one. Really, the Maller is an amazing tanking ship. Tanking ships are generally not so good in direct PvP, but they do have roles. It's not a gunship; nerfing other ships or boosting the Maller will never make it compete in that department. That being said, if anyone would like a Maller vs Rupture fight - I'll fly the Maller - please feel free to give me a shout in-game. Scrapheap Challenge Forums - All the cool kids are doing it!
Famine Aligher'ri	Posted - 2006.09.15 02:01:00 - [75] Originally by: inSpirAcy Originally by: Famine Aligher'ri Maller can beat any Tech 1 cruiser in the game. More to the Maller or any cruiser to that fact than trying to get the best DPS. My rupture has more DPS than my Claw. Claw pilot can still own my Rupture. When you can understand how something with a smaller tank, less DPS, and cheaper ship can defeat my Rupture. Then you can understand how a Maller can defeat any ship. A Claw beats your rupture by orbiting faster than your 220mm can track, by being fully passive (and hence resistant to Nos) and by being small enough that missiles won't hurt it significantly. And a Maller does all that, does it? Nope, it's the point of tactics and everything else that plays a major role in PvPing. This whole thing about ships winning be default is wrong. Don't know why anyone is asking for duels. Just fit 1 minmatar racial and your maller just won. That goes for the Moa vs Rupture as well. So many things play a major role in a win it's not even funny. The cries about the mallers DPS is not good enough. The DPS is normal and can be above normal. The tanking is supurb because of it's lows and having the most PG of the cruisers. Only think you should really have a right to ***** on is having no drone bay :)
Angus McLean Gallente Divinity Trials	Posted - 2006.09.15 02:14:00 - [76] Originally by: Famine Aligher'ri Originally by: inSpirAcy Originally by: Famine Aligher'ri Maller can beat any Tech 1 cruiser in the game. More to the Maller or any cruiser to that fact than trying to get the best DPS. My rupture has more DPS than my Claw. Claw pilot can still own my Rupture. When you can understand how something with a smaller tank, less DPS, and cheaper ship can defeat my Rupture. Then you can understand how a Maller can defeat any ship. A Claw beats your rupture by orbiting faster than your 220mm can track, by being fully passive (and hence resistant to Nos) and by being small enough that missiles won't hurt it significantly. And a Maller does all that, does it? Nope, it's the point of tactics and everything else that plays a major role in PvPing. This whole thing about ships winning be default is wrong. Don't know why anyone is asking for duels. Just fit 1 minmatar racial and your maller just won. That goes for the Moa vs Rupture as well. So many things play a major role in a win it's not even funny. The cries about the mallers DPS is not good enough. The DPS is normal and can be above normal. The tanking is supurb because of it's lows and having the most PG of the cruisers. Only think you should really have a right to *** on is having no drone bay :) Ok Mallers tank > Ruptures tank Mallers damage...wait, the maller puts out damage? Mallers ability to beat a general setup Rupture of the same skills... 0. It cant tank any better than any other cruiser save it may have a tad more cap..which is outweighed by the fact that any pvp ships now carries NOS. And the Mallers DPS is too little to break a mining ospreys ratting tank so any ship with nothing in their low slots save a small armor rep can tank it... That and theres the whine "Lasers arent broken, it just so happens AC's work better." That has to be the best oxy-moronic statement of this forums. "Amarrs weapons arent broken, they just suck so much other race's weapons work better EVEN when Amarr has a bonus to lasers..." Is actually what you guys are saying. Originally by:** Angus McLean Basically we've established, EVE physics < Amarr
Nyxus GALAXIAN Rule of Three	Posted - 2006.09.15 02:36:00 - [77] A good Ruppie pilot pwns a Maller. If you think you have some "ubersekritomgpwnage" setup for the Maller evemail it to me. I have pretty much maxed amarr and fitting skills. I have tweaked, tricked, and fit mallers every which way to Sunday and they are just sub-par compared to the Rax or Ruppie. I will try your setup daily in pvp for a week. If it really is good I will post back (and will not list your setup if you so prefer) here and readily admit that I was wrong, and your Maller setup is wonderful/uber/omgbbq. TBH I don't think anyone is going to mail me. Anyone who mails me a setup that says "OMG fitz 3 of teh Phaze Jammerz" gets a hearty "FU!" back from me in true amarrian dictator style. The real root issue is the imbalance between Tanking and Damage cruisers. While the Moa and Maller have minor problems in and of themselves the core issue is the lack of CPU/Grid needed for tanking ships to be able to tank better. You see, when you fit the Tier 3 cruisers with equivalent guns/missiles you will find they all have about the same Grid/CPU left over. In this situation the damage bonus on the Rax and Ruppie means that they will do more DPS than the Tanking ships. This is fine. But in order for the Maller/Moa to fit a noticably better tank they have to downgrade thier weapons. Now, even with equivalent weapons the tanking ships are doing less than HALF the damage of the damage cruisers. Cruiser DPS When you really tank a Maller (which should be playing to thier strength) you increase the damage gap even farther, at which point you can tank better than another Tier 3, but it doesn't matter because they can do twice your dps. If you gave the Maller/Moa a lot more grid/CPU so that they could fit a big tank AND the decent weapons they would still do vastly less damage than thier counterparts, but the smaller dps differential would make it so that the increased tanking may actually make a difference. This is why you see so ppl suggesting maller setups with ACs. The low fitting/cap actually lets you fit a tank impressive enough to make a difference in the fight while maintaining "non-laughable" dps. SUMMATION: Ships with tanking bonuses need more grid/cpu than thier damage counterparts. Even with similar weapons they do less DPS (a lot) but need the extra fittings to fit a marginally better tank. One last thing: BOOST ENERGIZED REGENERATIVE MEMBRANES TO GIVE +50% TO ARMOR. DO THE EQUIVALENT FOR SHIELD MODS. It provides hitpoints to make fights last longer, something decent to actually stick in all those extra low slots Amarr ships have laying about, and no "oversizing" problems. Boost tanking FFS! Nyxus PS- More "tanking" items that are on different stacking penalties would be nice as well. There just arent very many "omgmusthave" low slot items. Originally by: Tux The thought of a missile spewing armor tanking cool black looking ship makes me happy in the pants
Cohkka LoneWolf Mining R i s e	Posted - 2006.09.15 02:49:00 - [78] Originally by: Phrixus Zephyr Originally by: twisted 1 well, best cruisers is: no particular order.. Thorax Rupture Blackbird Caracal(ew ftw!) + Vexor Actually this is the single most pwn cruiser. Wonder why everyone mentiones the Thorax first when they're asked about the best cruisers. I used to fly duramaller for quite a while, it served me very well, never realy used a Rupture. Don't speak english, just F5, F5, F5...
jerrard iceni	Posted - 2006.09.15 07:40:00 - [79] Originally by: Angus McLean That and theres the whine "Lasers arent broken, it just so happens AC's work better." That has to be the best oxy-moronic statement of this forums. "Amarrs weapons arent broken, they just suck so much other race's weapons work better EVEN when Amarr has a bonus to lasers..." Is actually what you guys are saying. i always thought (and cant be bothered to double check atm) that certain armarr ships, like the maller, dont have any bonni that effect weapon damage, fall off, optimal etc. so i really cant see why it matters if people want to fit ac's to mallers instead of lasers, certainly not a bad thing.
Robke	Posted - 2006.09.15 08:49:00 - [80] Originally by: jerrard iceni i always thought (and cant be bothered to double check atm) that certain armarr ships, like the maller, dont have any bonni that effect weapon damage, fall off, optimal etc. so i really cant see why it matters if people want to fit ac's to mallers instead of lasers, certainly not a bad thing. They do not have a dmg bonus, but they do have a bonus to lasers. If even projectile weapons without a bonus are better than lasers with a bonus, don't you think that is an imbalance? Maller boni: Special Ability: 10% bonus to Medium Energy Turret capacitor use per level and 5% bonus to all Armor Resistances per level.
Yuki Li Caldari Omerta Syndicate Pure.	Posted - 2006.09.15 09:53:00 - [81] Depends on specific fit this one i think. Looks like ALOT of you underrate the Maller, it's a very, very capable cruiser, and one i really don't like fighting because of the way it tanks. I'd rather fly a Stabber than both, though Website / Forums / Recruiting
MacDuncan Minmatar Unknown Society	Posted - 2006.09.15 10:55:00 - [82] Edited by: MacDuncan on 15/09/2006 10:56:06 Even if i prefer a Rupture over a Maller every day without even thinking about it (Minmi cruiser Lvl5 vs. Amarr cruiser Lvl4, all small & med T2 projektiles + secondary skills maxed vs. T2 small lasers Lvl3 e.g.), i had some really nice fights while sitting in a Maller...especially against minor frig swarms...:-) --
Dred 'Morte Sabre Inc Center for Disease Creation	Posted - 2006.09.15 11:09:00 - [83] Edited by: Dred ''Morte on 15/09/2006 11:10:27 Quote: Lots of stuff how Maller sucks by Nyxus The only problem of the Maller is lack of cpu. I do have a nice setup on my Maller, fitted to fight almost any kind of cruiser. I have yet only had a chance to duel my boss Thorax and I defeated it. No I won't evemail you the setup, however, if you can come to Obe, I'll gladly have a duel with your maller or whatever cruiser The trick is thinking out of the box. Signature made by Mr Floppykickners
Wolverine PL Gallente Bermuda Syndrome	Posted - 2006.09.15 12:04:00 - [84] Rupture with pasive tank (1600plate, no rep, cruiser size guns) should kill maller with ease. Rupture is best cruiser in game, second would be vexor not maller.
Dred 'Morte Sabre Inc Center for Disease Creation	Posted - 2006.09.15 12:53:00 - [85] Originally by: Wolverine PL Rupture with pasive tank (1600plate, no rep, cruiser size guns) should kill maller with ease. Rupture is best cruiser in game, second would be vexor not maller. LoL sorry but how is that possible? Signature made by Mr Floppykickners
Nyxus GALAXIAN Rule of Three	Posted - 2006.09.15 13:56:00 - [86] Edited by: Nyxus on 15/09/2006 13:58:11 Originally by: Dred 'Morte Quote: Lots of stuff how Maller sucks by Nyxus The only problem of the Maller is lack of cpu. I do have a nice setup on my Maller, fitted to fight almost any kind of cruiser. I have yet only had a chance to duel my boss Thorax and I defeated it. No I won't evemail you the setup, however, if you can come to Obe, I'll gladly have a duel with your maller or whatever cruiser The trick is thinking out of the box. Agree with you on the CPU thing. Geddon is in the same boat. Tanking mods take TONS of cpu to fit. Yet the tanking specialist ships have very little CPU to fit them. It makes no sense. I think it needs more grid as well. Honestly: giving the Maller more grid/cpu to tank AND fit a decent rack of weapons would make it balanced. Right now you can tank and fit the smallest pulses, if you use fitting mods (oftentimes multiple fitting mods). And you can't even THINK about fitting Beams, the only Amarrian weapon that is slightly better than the competitions. Dred - I will evemail you and see if we can get together in OBE or P3EN. I think we play in the same timezones. Maller does suck right now in comparison to the other Tier 3s. But if the tanking Tier 3s got a boost to fitting, I think it would balance out pretty well. Nyxus Originally by: Tux The thought of a missile spewing armor tanking cool black looking ship makes me happy in the pants
korrey Level Five	Posted - 2006.09.15 19:18:00 - [87] Originally by: jerrard iceni Originally by: Angus McLean That and theres the whine "Lasers arent broken, it just so happens AC's work better." That has to be the best oxy-moronic statement of this forums. "Amarrs weapons arent broken, they just suck so much other race's weapons work better EVEN when Amarr has a bonus to lasers..." Is actually what you guys are saying. i always thought (and cant be bothered to double check atm) that certain armarr ships, like the maller, dont have any bonni that effect weapon damage, fall off, optimal etc. so i really cant see why it matters if people want to fit ac's to mallers instead of lasers, certainly not a bad thing. Amarrs weapons is lasers. LASERS. If Amarr ships dont work well with lasers then something is wrong. 2 years ago people used lasers so much that even Minmatar Tempests fitted lasers. And something WAS terrribly wrong. And it WAS fixed. Can you honestly tell me now that because Amarr has to use Projectiles that everything is dandy? Originally by: Angus McLean Basically we've established, EVE physics > Amarr The basis of all Amarr threads.
Deven Sunstorm	Posted - 2006.09.15 23:11:00 - [88] Best PvP cruiser in the game is the GankMu, hands down the best. GankMu
carleyjones Caldari Blood and Silver	Posted - 2006.09.15 23:51:00 - [89] Originally by: korrey Can you honestly tell me now that because Amarr has to use Projectiles that everything is dandy?
Magniacapra	Posted - 2006.09.16 00:01:00 - [90] Originally by: Nicocat A Maller was part of a group that attacked my fully best-T1 kitted Cyclone yesterday. I can safely say that I didn't know a Maller could tank like that. Kudos to the pilot, and thank you for the fabulous loot.
Alzion Millennium E.R.A	Posted - 2006.09.16 04:48:00 - [91] Its obvious that the maller is outclassed by its tier III counterparts but, saying that its worse than the Omen is ridiculous. --------------------------------------------- I hear Linux can cure cancer and raise your sperm count. - Dionysus Davinci
Fred 104 1st Royal Marines	Posted - 2006.09.16 04:50:00 - [92] Originally by: Dixon Originally by: Famine Aligher'ri Originally by: Aeaus No contest for the Rupture, the Duramaller is easily one of the worst Tier III cruisers in the game. People often forget that the Moa is a tier III cruiser.. QFT
Tareen Kashaar eXin Alliance	Posted - 2006.09.16 06:25:00 - [93] Maller with 1600mm plate = win solo pvp 4x med beam II (or pulse II, whichever you prefer) 2x med nos 10MN ab II, web, 20km scram MAR II 2x EANM 1600mm rolled tungsten cprs and pds as needed I challenge the world to prove that I cannot 1on1 any t1 or t2 frig in that one, and most cruisers just take too long to break that tank to last, too. I <3 my maller in solo pvp :) --- WTS: Forum Signatures, 30mil a piece. Evemail me!
Tareen Kashaar eXin Alliance	Posted - 2006.09.16 06:31:00 - [94] Originally by: Nicocat A Maller was part of a group that attacked my fully best-T1 kitted Cyclone yesterday. I can safely say that I didn't know a Maller could tank like that. Kudos to the pilot, and thank you for the fabulous loot. Hah, here we meet again :) Setup see above, and thanks again for the nice fight :) --- WTS: Forum Signatures, 30mil a piece. Evemail me!
Blood Raine	Posted - 2006.09.17 03:04:00 - [95] I'm sorry but that setup would die a horrible death to my Thorax or a really good rupture.
Dark M00n	Posted - 2006.09.18 11:26:00 - [96] Originally by: Blood Raine I'm sorry but that setup would die a horrible death to my Thorax or a really good rupture. Pls explain the setup. t2 drones? ...
XGS Crimson	Posted - 2006.09.18 12:45:00 - [97] Thorax ftw 5x T2 exp drones 5x t2 neutron blasters 1x t2 power diag 1x t2 AB 1x webber 1x ecm small t2 repper (laugh if you like lol) 2 t2 hardners (therm and exp i suggest) what ever you feel like in last slot. It hurts like hell and its gank kitted. NULL AMMO FTW!
Skrypt Gallente Shinra Lotka Volterra	Posted - 2006.09.18 12:53:00 - [98] Vexor, Rupture, Thorax - in order. Nos, Ewar, Drones ftw. ___________
Dred 'Morte Sabre Inc Center for Disease Creation	Posted - 2006.09.18 12:53:00 - [99] Since I've lost my Maller, I guess I don't loose anything telling you my setup, which only lacks scrambler: 5x light neutron blaster II void Med Nos MWD Stasis Electrochemical Med Booster 800 charges 2x med armor rep II 2x named energized membrane tech II energized membrane 800mm plate II Signature made by Mr Floppykickners
Laocoon Veto.	Posted - 2006.09.18 13:36:00 - [100] In my experience, rax > all other T1 crusiers. No i can't be bothered to explain why, so i'll just get burned but nvm. A fully T1 rax can win... 85% of cruiser fights at a guess, and costs just shy of 5 mill (after insurance). A T2 rax will win 95%, but is closer to 20m, which i can't afford - Lao Veto. Corp
Benjamin Olson	Posted - 2006.09.18 23:13:00 - [101] Originally by: Laocoon In my experience, rax > all other T1 crusiers. No i can't be bothered to explain why, so i'll just get burned but nvm. A fully T1 rax can win... 85% of cruiser fights at a guess, and costs just shy of 5 mill (after insurance). A T2 rax will win 95%, but is closer to 20m, which i can't afford QFT. And in the case of the maller, we'll just rearange a few of his words. Replace Thorax with 'ALL T1 CRUISERS' and replace 'All other T1 Cruisers' with Maller. Then we get the true statement that "All other T1 Cruisers < Maller"
Crazy Tasty	Posted - 2006.09.19 00:52:00 - [102] Quote: Man, this forum is a classic example of "group think." One or two people who are very new come along and complain about Amarr, then those people who read them believed, and passed on the misinformation.The model just keeps growing and growing.. In almost any thread, like a recent thread asking for advice about interceptors, somebody told them Amarr suck, and he just said "Oh ok" and accepted it. Quote: Happens when people don't try ships out on there own and rely on input from people who might not know anything about it. Eve is pretty balanced for the most part ship wise. Some ship combos are pretty overpowering no dout. However, all combos can be countered. This isn't WoW where there is no real way to stop leet warrior from leet one shotting you with his big axe other than running like a little girl. When you fly ships in eve. Just think of them as a sandbox. You have a whole world of options out there. Maller suck? Only if you suck using it. Same goes for the Rupture. Tactics + Any Ship + Fitting + Experience = Win QFT to both these guys. Seems like 95% of people just bandwagon without even experimenting with setups. After all the hype about Ruptures I fought a fully best-named fitted version the other day, dropped the peoples elbow on him in less than thirty seconds. That was one pilot in one situation, but proves no ship is always > all others.
Dark M00n	Posted - 2006.09.19 09:41:00 - [103] Quote: When you fly ships in eve. Just think of them as a sandbox. You have a whole world of options out there. Maller suck? Only if you suck using it. Same goes for the Rupture. Tactics + Any Ship + Fitting + Experience = Win QFT to both these guys. Seems like 95% of people just bandwagon without even experimenting with setups. After all the hype about Ruptures I fought a fully best-named fitted version the other day, dropped the peoples elbow on him in less than thirty seconds. That was one pilot in one situation, but proves no ship is always > all others. You areboth true. But what we are trying to do is to get a general idea, that is pinpointing major issues with using one ship or the other. That is with Maller- dps, rupture - long skill training etc
Mactan	Posted - 2006.09.19 11:48:00 - [104] i havnt read every 1s post but il put an argument for the maller here nice and simple so you can all understand it! the maller like many amarr ships is a very tough tank so all be it that laser damage isnt that great unless you have like 9 milion SP in gunnery but like alot of amarr ships the best way to go abt it is you just have outlast your target! use noss's to counter there's i personaly dont have a problem with amarr ships id pick an omen over a caracal anyday! and a maller over a rupture! Remember that each race has there own strengths so stick too them with a few exceptions.. Miny quick hit and runs at long range caldari missiles and EW Gellente scary dps when upclose and personal Amarr Tough tanks

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