Pages: 1 2 3 4 5 6 7 8 9 :: [one page] |
|
Author |
Thread Statistics | Show CCP posts - 25 post(s) |
|
LeMonde
|
Posted - 2006.09.15 13:26:00 -
[1]
The third alliance tournament will be held on the first two weekends of December.
Further announcements regarding rules, format, sign-ups and EveTV will be made in coming weeks.
|
|
Siri Blue
Gallente Duvolle Laboratories Blue Division
|
Posted - 2006.09.15 13:46:00 -
[2]
Please make a full set of rules prior to the event this time...and follow this set till the end... I noticed a lot of rule changes while watching the broadcasts of the second tournament and while I enjoyed it, the rule changed (sometimes during a fight) seemed odd.
|
Hygelac
Body Count Inc. Mercenary Coalition
|
Posted - 2006.09.15 15:00:00 -
[3]
Personally I hope the prizes wont be Motherships again, there's a 'cold war-like' power balance of alliances building towards these ships and constantly giving them away as prizes will effect the game balance sooner or later.
This sort of thing shouldn't have any impact on the political landscape and yet these ships *do* alter things. Why not come up with some sort of intangible reward that's more about bragging rights than about profit? Shin Ra's monument in Jita being a great example of something that adds bragging rights but ultimately doesn't effect the balance of power in Eve.
---
|
Larsson7
Minmatar Sharks With Frickin' Laser Beams Mercenary Coalition
|
Posted - 2006.09.15 15:19:00 -
[4]
Really look forward to this tournament!
For every Alliance/Corp who are thinking "Should we submit a team!?" the answer is YES!!
The tournament is a lot of fun and you will not regret being able to participate.
|
Malthros Zenobia
Caldari Independent Navy Reserve Kimotoro Directive
|
Posted - 2006.09.15 20:19:00 -
[5]
LeMonde, for prizes, how about some real 'torphies'?
If it's a Caldari-run tournament, how about some State-Issued Raven/scorp/moa/caracal/moa/hookbill/whatever?
You know, uniques, like the magnates and impocs, only Caldari (or whatever) based.
Sorry you can't afford a dev so you get me instead ^^ - Xorus I hear Xorus is only 50 isk an hour - Immy Oooh that could get Suvetar for the day! - Cathath For 50, you can have my goat:P- Tirg |
Jena Val'Nedra
THE MISPHIT'S
|
Posted - 2006.09.16 01:00:00 -
[6]
Seems to me its a little unfair to have it always a Caldari tournament giving away Caldari gear.
It would be nice to see the Gallente host one for once. Not that I mind the Caldari State giving their carriers away....
I look forward to watching it on Eve TV!
Will BoB pull off the hat-trick!
Guess we will have to watch this space!
|
Samirol
Ore Mongers
|
Posted - 2006.09.16 02:14:00 -
[7]
will pirate implants be allowed this time? i hope not, otherwise it is going to be ravens > megathrons all the time
lotto
Maybe not herpes, but I'll give ya goat!-Tirg |
Tyrrax Thorrk
Amarr Umbra Congregatio Interstellar Alcohol Conglomerate
|
Posted - 2006.09.16 08:38:00 -
[8]
can't wait
|
Sakura Nihil
Tharsis Security
|
Posted - 2006.09.16 18:31:00 -
[9]
Edited by: Sakura Nihil on 16/09/2006 18:31:45 Imo, the frig and desty classes were most of the time irrelevant to the fight and got BBQ'd in the opening volleys of the tourney. What about making it either a 3v3 or 5v5 cruiser (either T1 or T2) fight, it will allow alliances of all ages to throw their best at the opponents as HACs and recons are within the means of their members to get. This is, of course, opposed to what we saw this last tourney, where Navy Ravens and Megas, Bhaalgorns, and Nightmares made their appearances and cost the owners an arm and a leg when they bit the dust.
I also agree on a different trophy than a mothership, BoB has enough - what about (don't kill me here) a T2 caldari BPO if this is another Caldari-hosted tournament? As long as its one of the BPOs that only have 8 in circulation, it would really make the tourney worth fighting for, and give the winner a lot of benefits without tipping the balance of power toooo much.
Tharsis needs some ! |
Tyrrax Thorrk
Amarr Umbra Congregatio Interstellar Alcohol Conglomerate
|
Posted - 2006.09.16 20:08:00 -
[10]
Yeah, honestly ;P No more wyverns and Chimera boring boring boring !
Maybe change the roleplay around it, form an inter-racial gambling committee and rotate which Empire hosts it, Minmatar could do it this time...
Unique ships and or modules would be best as prizes, T2 BPOs would be cool, maybe in addition ? If you have to reward CNRs, then at least fit them for PVP first, with a mix of t2 and caldari navy modules.. Anyone who gets far should get SOME kind of souveneir, f.i. a tournament issue faction frigate
Oh and have the losers in the semi-finals fight each other to decide third place..
|
|
Ange1
Gallente The Establishment Establishment
|
Posted - 2006.09.17 11:47:00 -
[11]
Perhaps The Establishment should enter this time and attempt to get itself a 2nd Mothership. Imagine the carnage
The Establishment is at your service...
|
StoneCold
|
Posted - 2006.09.17 12:12:00 -
[12]
I personaly would like to see 10 vs 10 cruiser matches (2 of each race + 2 to choose freely). Only t1 ships / fittings, no implants.
That would give us a lot bigger and faster fights and probably also a lot more teams.
|
SolApathy
Guardians of Hell's Gate Tactical Narcotics Team
|
Posted - 2006.09.18 16:47:00 -
[13]
problem with not issuing a prize thats not worth billions is that ultimatley isk makes the world go round, entering a team in the alliance and i mean a serious team will cost that alliance potentially billions so that said the risk should be worth the reward.
i like the idea of the faction friggies etc that sounds cool id like to get my hands on some of those :P
as is the general censensus please can we formulate a clear set of rules and stick to them as to avoid and potential mishaps in the tourney. Want to join GARDS - Click Me - |
Trevedian
Amarr KR0M The Red Skull
|
Posted - 2006.09.18 17:51:00 -
[14]
Originally by: Malthros Zenobia LeMonde, for prizes, how about some real 'torphies'?
If it's a Caldari-run tournament, how about some State-Issued Raven/scorp/moa/caracal/moa/hookbill/whatever?
You know, uniques, like the magnates and impocs, only Caldari (or whatever) based.
This is a great idea, I'd luv to see a Caldari Navy Scorpian, or a Diamond Magnate or a Jove Eidolon (wishful thinkingg) as a prize, something unique and special for the winners...
1) One idea is to use all tech 1 ships (faction included)... This lets more ppl participate and is also cheaper. It would also make boring "Turtle-Tank" teams like ASCN in the last tourney less viable... But I'd prefer T2... Just a suggestion.
2) I'm not sure implants can be taken out of the tournament so easily... No hardwirings as well? A 5% missle ROF implant costs more than a LG crystal set.... Are Devs gonna scan every1 to make sure they aren't using faction implants? Is CCP gonna provide a free jumpclone to everyone? Is it even executable by CCP to do something like that?
3) I agree in the last tournament the small ships didn't make much of a difference, and it would be interesting to see different sets of ships... Perhaps 3BS + 1 Command Ship, or BS, BC, HAC, or something else...
4) I'd like to keep remote reps limited to 1 ship per team if possible, but I am aware how difficult an event like this is to pull off for the organizers, so I'm not sure this is viable...
5) AND MOST IMPORTANTLY... Make a RING around the Arena for srying out loud and don't clutter the area with floating garbage, is that too much to ask?
Thats all for now...
Sex0r > you're bounty turns me on.. you seem like the kind of amarrian to dominate me
|
Joshua Foiritain
Gallente Coreli Corporation
|
Posted - 2006.09.19 07:37:00 -
[15]
How about eeem.... all of the PF events you guys started 6 years ago? -----
[Coreli Corporation Mainframe] |
Tyrrax Thorrk
Amarr Umbra Congregatio Interstellar Alcohol Conglomerate
|
Posted - 2006.09.19 13:28:00 -
[16]
How about you whine somewhere else ?
Your thought process goes something like this yes ? "buhu my event is getting neglected, i'll go whine about the events that aren't because all events should be neglected since the one I care about is whine whine whine"
|
Kunming
Amarr adeptus gattacus Lotka Volterra
|
Posted - 2006.09.19 14:12:00 -
[17]
Hope its a "last man standing" a la Tournament #1, second one was not as exciting as the first 1, maybe it was also cause there were too many ships involved.. Oh I wanna see matches like the UK vs MC, Kaos vs BoB, where the last module fitted on the ship counted and it wasnt over till it was over
|
Joshua Foiritain
Gallente Coreli Corporation
|
Posted - 2006.09.20 07:49:00 -
[18]
Originally by: Tyrrax Thorrk How about you whine somewhere else ?
Ill whine whereever i want, today ill whine right here.
buuhuuu ccp sucks at PF events. -----
[Coreli Corporation Mainframe] |
Tachy
|
Posted - 2006.09.20 12:36:00 -
[19]
/me pokes the still unstarted Minmatar Main Storyline arc --*=*=*--
No Thread with this ID This thread does not exist. Go back One page | Go back to forums |
DJ Xod
Minmatar Eve Radio Corporation
|
Posted - 2006.09.20 15:46:00 -
[20]
Originally by: Tachy /me pokes the still unstarted Minmatar Main Storyline arc
/me seconds that http://www.eve-radio.com |
|
Tachy
|
Posted - 2006.09.20 16:15:00 -
[21]
Hey Tyrrax, you gonne be on the couch again? Or even commentating? --*=*=*--
No Thread with this ID This thread does not exist. Go back One page | Go back to forums |
Gorion Wassenar
Caldari Tsurokigaarai Kimotoro Directive
|
Posted - 2006.09.20 20:15:00 -
[22]
Edited by: Gorion Wassenar on 20/09/2006 20:15:50
Originally by: Joshua Foiritain How about eeem.... all of the PF events you guys started 6 years ago?
Signed and secounded. 3 in a row? Thats not a tourney, thats a daily spectical. Your just dulling the intrest by having this over and over. Its like a broken record. Speaking of Caldari toruney's what the hell happened to the COLOSUS races? ------------------
CEO of TKI
|
Tyrrax Thorrk
Amarr Umbra Congregatio Interstellar Alcohol Conglomerate
|
Posted - 2006.09.20 23:33:00 -
[23]
I can't believe you're whining about LeMonde doing events. If he wasn't doing these he wouldn't be doing any.
1 every 6 months is too often ? WTF are you smoking ?
And no I won't be commentating, dunno if I'll guest expert at all, if they ask me to I'll probly do it
|
Trevedian
Amarr KR0M The Red Skull
|
Posted - 2006.09.21 01:18:00 -
[24]
Edited by: Trevedian on 21/09/2006 01:18:45
Originally by: Joshua Foiritain
Originally by: Tyrrax Thorrk How about you whine somewhere else ?
Ill whine whereever i want, today ill whine right here.
buuhuuu ccp sucks at PF events.
Joshua Foiritain helped us form an Alliance for the last tourney;
" 2006.05.17 20:43 Heya Trevedian,
I notoiced Kr0m became executor of the Red Skull, so does this mean i get paid now? :)
- Joshua Foiritain"
I really, should get back to him... Anyways...
This event is getting better each time and the latest PVP Alliance Tourney garnered way more interest than the first, this next time it should be even better...
Lets try to be constructive here and work to make this event better, rather than whining about how it takes 3 years to Elect a Gallente Prez.
Not to take anything away from the Colosus Race, but the PVP Alliance Tourney is the BIG DOG of Events and it should be, lets keep this thread clean of bickering and focus on the task at hand...
WHICH IS MAKING THE PVP ALLIANCE TOURNEY BETTER!
Sex0r > you're bounty turns me on.. you seem like the kind of amarrian to dominate me
|
Joshua Foiritain
Gallente Coreli Corporation
|
Posted - 2006.09.21 07:43:00 -
[25]
Originally by: Tyrrax Thorrk I can't believe you're whining about LeMonde doing events. If he wasn't doing these he wouldn't be doing any.
Considering his obviously the only competent Event related dev maybe they should give him a raise and allow him to do the rest of the events as well?
Originally by: Trevedian
Originally by: Joshua Foiritain
Originally by: Tyrrax Thorrk How about you whine somewhere else ?
Ill whine whereever i want, today ill whine right here.
buuhuuu ccp sucks at PF events.
Joshua Foiritain helped us form an Alliance for the last tourney;
" 2006.05.17 20:43 Heya Trevedian,
I notoiced Kr0m became executor of the Red Skull, so does this mean i get paid now? :)
- Joshua Foiritain"
I really, should get back to him... Anyways...
Yeah that wasnt nice Im happy you saved the evemail for this long though
Originally by: Trevedian Lets try to be constructive here and work to make this event better, rather than whining about how it takes 3 years to Elect a Gallente Prez.
Hmmmm.... not interested. -----
[Coreli Corporation Mainframe] |
Tyrrax Thorrk
Amarr Umbra Congregatio Interstellar Alcohol Conglomerate
|
Posted - 2006.09.21 09:41:00 -
[26]
You don't know what you're talking about :/
It's not a question of competence, it's a question of what they're ordered to do. Prioritization by the people in charge.
What I think they should do is promote Gnauton, give him free reigns and assign like 5 content interns to doing whatever he says.
|
Joshua Foiritain
Gallente Coreli Corporation
|
Posted - 2006.09.21 22:44:00 -
[27]
Originally by: Tyrrax Thorrk What I think they should do is promote Gnauton, give him free reigns and assign like 5 content interns to doing whatever he says.
I very much dislike agreeing, however there is obviously little choice in this case. -----
[Coreli Corporation Mainframe] |
QwaarJet
Gallente Welsh Commanders Chorus of Dawn
|
Posted - 2006.09.22 03:53:00 -
[28]
I suggest everyone who can to participate. I had great fun in the last one, and really hope to take part in this one as well. "Hobbes, she stepped into the Perimter Of Wisdom.Run!" |
Jowen Datloran
Caldari Science and Trade Institute
|
Posted - 2006.09.22 15:33:00 -
[29]
These tournaments have started to smell of Counter Strike mentality. Guess that is why they are so popular with the crowd. To hell with story and RP elements when you can have another round of pew pew.
Personally I will give these tournaments as much interest as CS: not a damn thing. ---------------- Mr. Science & Trade Institute |
Trevedian
Amarr KR0M The Red Skull
|
Posted - 2006.09.23 04:28:00 -
[30]
Originally by: Jowen Datloran These tournaments have started to smell of Counter Strike mentality. Guess that is why they are so popular with the crowd. To hell with story and RP elements when you can have another round of pew pew.
Personally I will give these tournaments as much interest as CS: not a damn thing.
This is why Rolepayers (in nub corps) and PVPers don't get along...
Can you name any other event that more people are interested in than a EVE PVP Tournament?
Would 50,000 people tune in to EVE TV to see the results of the Gallente Election?
Alot of people like Jowen are afraid to fight with the "BIG DAWGS" so they make whiny posts which is their only weapon in forum warfare...
Kimono Directive etc. and other carebear alliances have made posts about how the PVP Alliance Tournament only caters to fighters etc., but none of the people complaining ever took part in the PVP Alliance tourney...
A WORD TO ALL ALLIANCES OUT THERE: Send a Team... Take a chance... You may surprise someone (even yourself)... You don't need to win the tourney to get good PR for your alliance...
Sex0r > you're bounty turns me on.. you seem like the kind of amarrian to dominate me
|
|
Joshua Foiritain
Gallente Coreli Corporation
|
Posted - 2006.09.23 08:14:00 -
[31]
Originally by: Jowen Datloran To hell with story and RP elements when you can have another round of pew pew.
Which indeed is quite unfortunate considering all they have to do is ask Aurora and the ISD to set up some events and IC news posts around the event. -----
[Coreli Corporation Mainframe] |
Jowen Datloran
Caldari Science and Trade Institute
|
Posted - 2006.09.23 16:35:00 -
[32]
Edited by: Jowen Datloran on 23/09/2006 16:38:44 While Trevedian did not get my point I am glad Joshua did.
The tournament to decide the new/former Amarr emperor was GREAT. The repitivness and lack of story for these tournaments are not. You see the difference? ---------------- Mr. Science & Trade Institute |
Elve Sorrow
Amarr Shinra Lotka Volterra
|
Posted - 2006.09.23 16:38:00 -
[33]
I do quite fancy another format myself aswell, although the last one was amusing enough.
How about 5v5 frigate matches, last man standing wins? 5v5 Cruiser? 10v10? The thing that makes this more interesting, imho, is the focus will be less on tanking. We all saw what happened last tournament - long standoffs because teams failed to break the BS and/or BC tanks. Frigates cant tank, so surviving comes down to teamwork and skill.
Slight bias ofcourse since i prefer flying frigates myself.
|
Malthros Zenobia
Caldari Independent Navy Reserve Kimotoro Directive
|
Posted - 2006.09.23 20:25:00 -
[34]
Originally by: Kunming Hope its a "last man standing" a la Tournament #1, second one was not as exciting as the first 1, maybe it was also cause there were too many ships involved.. Oh I wanna see matches like the UK vs MC, Kaos vs BoB, where the last module fitted on the ship counted and it wasnt over till it was over
Last man standing you say? Team Battle Royale?
Imagine a single match, 50 or so team of 3-5 people, dedicated node, almost no lag(???) due to the dedicated node, and just one massive free-for-all with the last alliance/corp standing declared the winner, and that team gets the prizes. It wouldn't be nearly as time consuming as dozens of 5v5 fights, and there'd be so much action it'd be unbelievable.
Ofcourse, you'd be looking at several hundred ships fighting, so it'd be a nightmare to police, unless CCP puts up a dyson's sphere of some sort around a select grid and pods anyone who warps out unless it's a CTD.
Sorry you can't afford a dev so you get me instead ^^ - Xorus I hear Xorus is only 50 isk an hour - Immy Oooh that could get Suvetar for the day! - Cathath For 50, you can have my goat:P- Tirg |
Malthros Zenobia
Caldari Independent Navy Reserve Kimotoro Directive
|
Posted - 2006.09.23 20:52:00 -
[35]
Originally by: Trevedian Kimono Directive etc. and other carebear alliances have made posts about how the PVP Alliance Tournament only caters to fighters etc., but none of the people complaining ever took part in the PVP Alliance tourney...
I resent your bogus comment about KD.
I posted that they should open it to corporations and not just alliances(because there were alot of people in coprs that were interested, but couldn't join because they weren't part of an alliance). Had I known the higher ups didn't sign us up, I would have when I got back from vacation. Doesn't matter though, because it's in the past, and we're going to be at this one regardless.
Ofcourse there were other people posting how limiting mods but not implants was stupid (but even people who took part would agree) since if you field a team with crystals, that's a major buff, and that's really the only problem I had with the last tournament's rules, well that and they kept extending fights. They should simply go by a set time limit. If you cannot break your enemy by then, you get a draw and not a win.
This tourny needs some changes though. A unique prize is far better than something generic. Besides, what will CPC do if some empire-based group wins? Tell them they have to go to 0.0 to pickup their capital ships? They can't have them in highsec for obvious reasons, even though that might be where they work.
Besides, I can't imagine BoB wanting that 2nd wyvern more than they'd have liked a few unique ships. State Issued Raven with 8 lanchers? Maybe a Navy Issue Scorpion or Moa?
Hell, Capships are common. Give them a Navy-Issued Phoenix as the 'big' prize?
Or a CONCORD ship.
Sorry you can't afford a dev so you get me instead ^^ - Xorus I hear Xorus is only 50 isk an hour - Immy Oooh that could get Suvetar for the day! - Cathath For 50, you can have my goat:P- Tirg |
Elve Sorrow
Amarr Shinra Lotka Volterra
|
Posted - 2006.09.24 11:44:00 -
[36]
More ideas for format, i know some were brought up at earlier tournaments but im going to say it anyway.
1) More then 2 teams fighting at a time. Maybe 5-6, with a drawing that isnt released untill the people are /TRed to the actual battlefield, to avoid teams teaming up. Free for all, last man standing.
2) Slightly larger team matches, say 10-15 a team, fighting in a system. So, not just the old single grid fights, but fights spread out over a system. Would have to be a slightly modified system (smaller then usual), and no safespots allowed. Team with most kills wins? A capture the flag type of idea would work too, where points are awarded for being at a specific place x minutes.
3) Staying with the old format, but different teams. For example, instead of 1 of each shiptype, allow more smaller ships. I mean, in any serious combat situation, would you go with one of each shiptype? No, you'd go with a battleship, 1-2 BCs, a few cruisers and several frigates. You could allow teams to make their own format. Give each shiptype a number of points, and allow team a number of points to be used on ships. Needs a max number of pilots though, to stop people just bringing 20 snake implanted interceptors, killing the other sides frigate and then running off.
I understand some of these might be too hard to organise though, or limited in some other fashion. However you could consider doing them as 'side events'? Main event being the same concept as last time, but have a side event with just the frigate pilot from each team in a free-for-all match for example? Id like to see 50 frigates going at it.
|
jamesw
Omniscient Order
|
Posted - 2006.09.25 00:06:00 -
[37]
My biggest pet peeve with the current tournament is the lack of tackling.
IMO: Allow warping around - even if it is only between 2 or 3 predefined beacons. Make people use tackling in some form - a real use for interceptors and interdictors - not just cannon fodder. --
NEW Vid: Domi For the Win! |
Hel Wintersbane
|
Posted - 2006.09.25 09:25:00 -
[38]
1) MAKE THE ARENA SMALLER (50KM Radius or so) Alot of teams backpedaled away from fights the entire time...
2) MAKE THE BOUNDARIES OF THE ARENA VISIBLE
|
Predator123
|
Posted - 2006.09.26 23:59:00 -
[39]
lol maybe the reward could be a titan so that if BoB wins atleast they'll actually have one instead of lieing about it ROFL
|
Audri Fisher
Caldari The Keep THE R0CK
|
Posted - 2006.09.27 02:20:00 -
[40]
Originally by: Predator123 lol maybe the reward could be a titan so that if BoB wins atleast they'll actually have one instead of lieing about it ROFL
QFMFT
|
|
Morning Maniac
Eve University Ivy League
|
Posted - 2006.09.28 19:53:00 -
[41]
With the warping around thing we have experimented with a capture the flag format. It's been a while because of silly wardecs but I remember we have some things to iron out. It has potential though.
Whatever format the event will be in we plan to enter :)
MM
http://eve.xonectic.com/forum/(out of game) EVE University commercial |
Jesse Shively
Gallente Miners Resource Tech The Confederation
|
Posted - 2006.09.30 05:03:00 -
[42]
Looking forward to it. I'll be glued to my computer. (Once again.) |
Lizaa
Caldari Reikoku Band of Brothers
|
Posted - 2006.09.30 12:32:00 -
[43]
One qestion... is there gonna be "press" allowed into this one like the last?
Lizaa Director of GriefTactics StudiosÖ
RKK Ranking(CAL6) Tanto - 200 kills, (GAL5) +lFve officier - 150 kills |
Semkhet
The Priory
|
Posted - 2006.10.04 15:00:00 -
[44]
Usually, interest to participate in events isfunction of four parameters: Is it affordable ? Is it fun ? Is it fair ? Are the prizes worth ?
Banning faction ships and limiting gear to T1/T2 would enhance affordability, since it would allow even the smallest alliance to compete. If the goal of the event is to draw attention, more teams = more fans/viewers.
Fun could be achieved by banning any kind of mod which prevents a ship to either inflict or absorb damage: remote dampers and ECM. Implants should be allowed and podding authorized. If we allow podding, then players getting into the tournament with their HG sets will take a real risk. Also, some method should be designed in order to prevent ships to be able to tank damage during a whole match duration. A fixed limit per team on the amount of booster charges expressed in total cap value could do the trick, since ships cargo's could be scanned by the referees prior to the match. If it becomes clear from the start that you won't be able to repeat ASCN's tanking strategy no matter how you setup your ship and what are your skills with or without implants, your attitude will switch from defensive to aggressive. And I guess that's what most players want to see: all-out fights.
Fairness can only be achieved by carefully establishing a set of rules, and then later on STICKING to said rules no matter what happens during the tournament.
Since it is a PvP tournament, it makes sense to hand-out prizes able to fulfill winner's enjoyment on a personal level. Therefore instead of handing out extremely expensive goodies, simply give out more prizes to more people, but of lesser value: faction frigs, cruisers and BS's.
|
Neramore
|
Posted - 2006.10.05 01:57:00 -
[45]
I still say a special client to allow us to watch the Tourny would be a great thing. I for one, would be happy to pay a little extra to be able to see the tournament in the way I choose, rather than at a low resolution and only able to look at what the (admitedly good) camera operators decide to. I'd even settle for a way to replay them after the fact.
Yeah, I know that it's been said before: "no way". I'm just interested in who else things this would be a great idea? Perhaps if there's enough support....
|
Professor Claw
Aliastra
|
Posted - 2006.10.07 16:31:00 -
[46]
My suggestion to make the fights more balanced and hopefully spice it up abit more is for the teams to use the entry fee to purchase all ships and mods and ammo from a Dev shop with fixed prices, this way the teams can fit out with any mixture/type of ships but will need to remember they have to make the budget last to buy any replacement ships for future matches;
Example - Entry Fee/Budget - 1 Billion Isk
Fight 1 - The team fits out 3 BS and 2 cruisers - Total 320mill they lose the fight and all ships. Fight 2 - The team have to refit with a remanining budget of only 680mill
As you can see after a few fights there budgets will be stretched and we will see more unique set-ups and tactics in the battles
|
Doddy
|
Posted - 2006.10.08 01:19:00 -
[47]
Keep implants - allow podding (or even make it mandatory, i.e. a real fight to the finnish). why let people have a multi billion isk advantage with no risk? Best idea i have heard so far. Will also allow use of smartbombs for rep-drone removal. They somewhat slowed down the last tournament. The frigs and destroyers would perhaps survive longer if the webbers and painters were banned like other ew (tournament nerfing minty recons in the process). I think it would be fairer to ban all ew or none at all.
|
H3licon
|
Posted - 2006.10.09 16:30:00 -
[48]
Originally by: Trevedian
I'd luv to see a Caldari Navy Scorpian
Maybe even a ScorpiOn, too.
|
H3licon
|
Posted - 2006.10.09 16:32:00 -
[49]
Originally by: Doddy
i.e. a real fight to the finnish
Why the Hell was Finland invoked?
(note to the dumb: "finish")
|
M4sterm1nd
DarkStar 1 Ascendant Frontier
|
Posted - 2006.10.09 17:21:00 -
[50]
Originally by: Doddy Keep implants - allow podding (or even make it mandatory, i.e. a real fight to the finish). why let people have a multi billion isk advantage with no risk?
Riiiiight... cuz ppl are really gonna blow several multibillion implant sets for a trophyship they'll lose by showing off in combat.
I think not.
Podding would effectively gimp the tourney, cause ppl would either do everything they could to prevent damage at the cost of sheer dps and thereby exciting fights, or not bring the implants at all, which would achieve the same effect. Maybe what you want is a paper airplane race? All same size, shape, weight, and materials? Nice and levelled to help the little guy's ego.
Personally I liked watching the tourney to see what was possible. How inventive people could get. The closeness of some of the matches made it exciting, and had me yelling at the screen more than once. Sure, the last match blew, and the inty fight was a joke, but still, the semi finals were breathtaking. And hey, the single best match imho was the gigglefest with the snowballs and the shuttles. I literally fell off my chair laughing at that. GREAT match!
|
|
M3ta
Amarr
|
Posted - 2006.10.29 23:00:00 -
[51]
On the last tournament, a DVD was announced to the Eve community, and today, after 3 months, it's yet to be seen.
Will the upcoming tournament have a real dvd, or just broken promises?
------------------------------ loose != lose you're != your it's != its (CCP, fix Moa description) they're != there != their
|
Sli'co Scoser
Gallente Luna Tech Manufacturing Industries
|
Posted - 2006.11.02 22:03:00 -
[52]
Friday, Saturday, Sunday = weekends like last time? I need to figure out if I need to take off work so I can watch.
|
BaronWaste
Finis Lumen Muffins of Mayhem
|
Posted - 2006.11.02 23:38:00 -
[53]
Originally by: Sli'co Scoser Friday, Saturday, Sunday = weekends like last time? I need to figure out if I need to take off work so I can watch.
I want to know this too. Our alliance wants to compete, but we are small and are having trouble finding members that can play Friday mornings. We have plenty for Saturdays and Sundays at any time, but Friday most of us are in school or working.
So if the battles are indeed being held on Fridays, would it be possible for the smaller alliances to maybe request we be scheduled for Saturday/Sunday instead?
|
|
LeMonde
|
Posted - 2006.11.03 17:48:00 -
[54]
I'm afraid the pairings are completely random, and we will not be taking any special requests for timings. The tournament be held between roughly the same hours as last time. Starting around 2-3pm and ending between 9 and 11pm.
|
|
|
Chribba
Otherworld Enterprises Otherworld Empire
|
Posted - 2006.11.04 09:31:00 -
[55]
Is there a bug since pilot #7 dissapears if I try to update the info? In other words do #7 even get saved?
EVE-Files | EVE-Search | Monitor this Thread |
|
Vania Soth
|
Posted - 2006.11.04 14:03:00 -
[56]
Originally by: Chribba Is there a bug since pilot #7 dissapears if I try to update the info? In other words do #7 even get saved?
Good question I had the same problem
|
|
LeMonde
|
Posted - 2006.11.04 17:52:00 -
[57]
I'll ask the web guys about that as soon as I can. For now you can put two names in the sixth entry box, separated by a //.
|
|
Morning Maniac
Eve University Ivy League
|
Posted - 2006.11.05 09:53:00 -
[58]
How can we check if it was saved or has been successful. When I signed up I went straight back to the forum login screen.
MM http://eve.xonectic.com/forum/(out of game) EVE University commercial |
Xyliana
The Black Rabbits
|
Posted - 2006.11.05 18:04:00 -
[59]
Best of luck to all the alliances signing up, EVETV will be there broadcast and more news of the studio, guests and features will be announced in the next few weeks. -------
irc.coldfront.net /join #evetv |
plasmaster
Cryogenic Consultancy Black Sun Alliance
|
Posted - 2006.11.07 07:44:00 -
[60]
EveTV Flyer There is the flyer that pops up real quick when you try to view the tournament rules pdf...
I thought I was going crazy cause I saw it 1 time and never saw it again. So I searched my browser history and could not find the flyer. Eventually i realized it only comes up when the pdf is loading on eve files. So there is the link to the flyer if you want it
|
|
JOSEPHx
Caldari Mercenary Forces
|
Posted - 2006.11.07 16:54:00 -
[61]
any chance of a 100% conformation of the times and dates, the flyer says thursday 7th of december?
|
Sli'co Scoser
Gallente Luna Tech Manufacturing Industries
|
Posted - 2006.11.08 05:34:00 -
[62]
Thursday, Friday, Saturday for the 2nd "weekend"? Please tell me you meant 8, 9, and 10.
|
|
LeMonde
|
Posted - 2006.11.08 12:56:00 -
[63]
Dates are staying the same. SpiralJunkie just made a mistake when he made the banner
|
|
|
Chribba
Otherworld Enterprises Otherworld Empire
|
Posted - 2006.11.08 15:28:00 -
[64]
Originally by: LeMonde Dates are staying the same. SpiralJunkie just made a mistake when he made the banner
Fixed.
EVE-Files | EVE-Search | Monitor this Thread |
|
Nyack
GREY COUNCIL Breidablik
|
Posted - 2006.11.12 00:35:00 -
[65]
can anyone show me in the direction of the prices for this year to know if it is actually worth it or not...
|
Trevedian
Amarr KR0M The Red Skull
|
Posted - 2006.11.12 00:57:00 -
[66]
Edited by: Trevedian on 12/11/2006 00:58:51
Originally by: Nyack can anyone show me in the direction of the prices for this year to know if it is actually worth it or not...
I think you mean "prizes" and not prices...
Hows this; Corvus (Uber Raven) OR Storm
Worth it? I say hell yeah!
Sex0r > you're bounty turns me on.. you seem like the kind of amarrian to dominate me
|
Lunas Feelgood
Euphoria Released
|
Posted - 2006.11.12 10:22:00 -
[67]
E-U team has signed up where do we send the 1 billion to?
|
|
LeMonde
|
Posted - 2006.11.12 22:50:00 -
[68]
The entry fee will be collected from alliance leaders next week.
|
|
Dragonmorph
|
Posted - 2006.11.13 00:50:00 -
[69]
By an executor, I am assuming it means the CEO of an executor corp?
I am a director of an executor corp, but still get the same lame message
|
Mextor
Slacker Industries Exuro Mortis
|
Posted - 2006.11.13 16:40:00 -
[70]
Yes it needs to be the CEO of the executor corp. I tried that one my self and couldn't do it. Full Stats
|
|
elorran
Minmatar Infinite Style Incorporated Chorus of Dawn
|
Posted - 2006.11.14 01:46:00 -
[71]
Edited by: elorran on 14/11/2006 01:47:52 Yes, only the ceo of the exec corp can submit the registration to take part (though I'm sure you gathered that by now).
On a seperate note, there might be an opportunity for groups or corps who do not presently have the opportunity to take part in the pvp tournament but would like to do so.
Anyone in this position interested in submitting a potential team for the event should take a look at this thread... http://oldforums.eveonline.com/?a=topic&threadID=425720&page=1
It's conditional so make sure you explain that to anyone who you pester to join your team. - - Infinite Style Incorporated - Chorus of Dawn
|
Atomic Pepper
Fix Holding Company Firmus Ixion
|
Posted - 2006.11.14 15:59:00 -
[72]
Our Executor corp CEO is not available since some days and won't be back in time prolly. My alt (this toon) have 25% of the shares in executor corp.(250/1000) my main is FIX First Admiral. Is there a way to solve this?
Tnx in advance for help Respectfully
Tequilapepper Tequilapepper's Alt FIX Military Director |
|
LeMonde
|
Posted - 2006.11.14 20:51:00 -
[73]
Alliances that are having problems finding their executors can have one of their CEO's send me a mail in-game with the pilot names.
|
|
hereward rowland
Macrocosm Advanced Industries
|
Posted - 2006.11.14 22:30:00 -
[74]
good show last time am really looking forward to this one...
stick with the cap ships as prezzies... its just reward for a "PVP" contest... stop whining about it being for only the big allainces, save your lil iskies and entre then.. just pls stop treating this amazing world like cs:s!! and no lag?? since when has any1 had a pvp moment wiht no lag??? accept it get on with it and let the best allaince win there cap ship!! see you all fighting it out
|
QwaarJet
Gallente Rage of Angels Morsus Mihi
|
Posted - 2006.11.15 01:19:00 -
[75]
Gah, extended, I was hoping we would see the groups soon. Btw Lemonde, is there any format to the groups, or is there some sort of seeding? I'm hoping it's random, would be much more fun for us and the viewers.
"Hobbes, she stepped into the Perimeter Of Wisdom.Run!" |
|
LeMonde
|
Posted - 2006.11.15 17:58:00 -
[76]
Originally by: QwaarJet Gah, extended, I was hoping we would see the groups soon. Btw Lemonde, is there any format to the groups, or is there some sort of seeding? I'm hoping it's random, would be much more fun for us and the viewers.
Seedings are completely random.
|
|
QwaarJet
Gallente Rage of Angels Morsus Mihi
|
Posted - 2006.11.15 18:23:00 -
[77]
Thanks for the reply, glad it's random :p
"Hobbes, she stepped into the Perimeter Of Wisdom.Run!" |
|
LeMonde
|
Posted - 2006.11.15 19:52:00 -
[78]
We currently have 3 slots left for the alliance tournament. Once we reach 40 alliances, the sign-ups will be closed.
ISK deposits can be sent to me in-game. Remember to include the name of your alliance in the note. The person who sends the ISK will be the one to receive it after the tournament. If deposits have not been sent by November 20th, the alliance has a chance of losing their spot to another. I be contacting the team members of those alliances who have not sent their deposit some time before the 20th.
|
|
QwaarJet
Gallente Rage of Angels Morsus Mihi
|
Posted - 2006.11.15 22:51:00 -
[79]
So, when signups close, any idea on how long after that the groups will be annouced? Whether soon as possible or wait till nearer the time.
"Hobbes, she stepped into the Perimeter Of Wisdom.Run!" |
|
LeMonde
|
Posted - 2006.11.15 23:26:00 -
[80]
Technically the tournament is full now, and the groups have already been created. However, I have yet to receive pilots list from a couple of alliances, and if an alliance with priority (top 16 last time) signs up, they will take the spot of the alliance that signed up last.
So at midnight tomorrow when the sgin-ups end, I will post the schedule, brackets and updated rules.
|
|
|
Larsson7
Minmatar Eternity INC. Mercenary Coalition
|
Posted - 2006.11.16 23:41:00 -
[81]
Phew!
Some pretty hard matches in there.
Good luck to all the teams and see you in the arena \o/
|
Slash Harnet
Minmatar Dark Pegasus Enterprises
|
Posted - 2006.11.16 23:43:00 -
[82]
Group F is going to be fun to watch.
|
Shin Ra
BURN EDEN
|
Posted - 2006.11.16 23:54:00 -
[83]
Originally by: Slash Harnet Group F is going to be fun to watch.
It shall be henceforth reffered to as the group of death.
|
QwaarJet
Gallente Rage of Angels Morsus Mihi
|
Posted - 2006.11.17 00:24:00 -
[84]
Hmm, we have Lotka Volterra and Stain Empire.
"Hobbes, she stepped into the Perimeter Of Wisdom.Run!" |
King Dave
Shinra Lotka Volterra
|
Posted - 2006.11.17 00:34:00 -
[85]
Originally by: QwaarJet Hmm, we have Lotka Volterra and Stain Empire.
Should be a fun fight! -------------------------------
don't speak english... f1, f2, alt-q!
|
BaronWaste
Finis Lumen Muffins of Mayhem
|
Posted - 2006.11.17 00:40:00 -
[86]
Edited by: BaronWaste on 17/11/2006 00:43:55 We got ASCN
edit: Reason I am crying is we wanted their better half AXE instead. One of our pilots was going to carry steelrat's corpse in his cargo and everything. Oh well, we'll just have to meet them in round 2.
|
QwaarJet
Gallente Rage of Angels Morsus Mihi
|
Posted - 2006.11.17 00:50:00 -
[87]
Originally by: King Dave
Originally by: QwaarJet Hmm, we have Lotka Volterra and Stain Empire.
Should be a fun fight!
Yes indeed, and good luck. I'll see you on the Battlefield :)
"Hobbes, she stepped into the Perimeter Of Wisdom.Run!" |
Avernus
Gallente Imperium Technologies Firmus Ixion
|
Posted - 2006.11.17 01:19:00 -
[88]
Edited by: Avernus on 17/11/2006 01:20:48 Remind me not to pull together a team and sign up an hour before the deadline in the future.
1st, 3rd, 5th, and 7th match of the opening day.
Edit: didn't like some of the letters in one of the words I used.
Blog |
Kalianyia
Caldari Finis Lumen Muffins of Mayhem
|
Posted - 2006.11.17 01:33:00 -
[89]
What timezone are those times? I'm guessing eve time - thought tbh i dont even know what timezone the Eve clock is running.
If anyone is feeling generous enough to tell me how to convert those times to EST I would be more than greatefull. Otherwise when I find out what timezone those times are based out of - i will just google it.
-----
|
|
LeMonde
|
Posted - 2006.11.17 01:37:00 -
[90]
Originally by: Avernus Edited by: Avernus on 17/11/2006 01:20:48 Remind me not to pull together a team and sign up an hour before the deadline in the future.
1st, 3rd, 5th, and 7th match of the opening day.
Edit: didn't like some of the letters in one of the words I used.
If you look closer, you will see that no alliance is fighting twice on the same day.
Kalianyia: All times are Eve-time.
|
|
|
Avernus
Gallente Imperium Technologies Firmus Ixion
|
Posted - 2006.11.17 01:47:00 -
[91]
Oh shoot... right you are
I've been slightly bugging out answering questions, I haven't had enough time to get the information straight in my own head.
Blog |
QwaarJet
Gallente Rage of Angels Morsus Mihi
|
Posted - 2006.11.17 01:50:00 -
[92]
Edited by: QwaarJet on 17/11/2006 01:50:16 LeMonde, will there be any more groups added? I know there were a few alliances that signed up but didn't get in, I assume due to the 40 alliance limit.
"Hobbes, she stepped into the Perimeter Of Wisdom.Run!" |
Kalianyia
Caldari Finis Lumen Muffins of Mayhem
|
Posted - 2006.11.17 01:53:00 -
[93]
LeMonde
This WILL be on Kali right? (IE with the new BS's / BC's and HP boosts) Just asking since December 1st is almost exactly 2 weeks away. Is Kali going to make it in time, and get past all the inital bumps and burps that moving it to Tranquility ussually creates?
Just asking as knowing what Eve version we will be competing on is very important to our strategy and ship setups (or anyone else's for that matter). -----
|
Julien Derida
Sharks With Frickin' Laser Beams Mercenary Coalition
|
Posted - 2006.11.17 02:20:00 -
[94]
Seems a little odd to have two of the last tournament's top-4 in the same group. Ah well, just makes for more good fights ----------------------------------------
Chief Inspector of the Style Police - FRICK |
BaronWaste
Finis Lumen Muffins of Mayhem
|
Posted - 2006.11.17 02:31:00 -
[95]
Originally by: Julien Derida Seems a little odd to have two of the last tournament's top-4 in the same group. Ah well, just makes for more good fights
If nothing else, it at least proves it's random.
|
TWD
TAOSP Band of Brothers
|
Posted - 2006.11.17 03:24:00 -
[96]
Interesting.
Well, may the best dampening team win |
|
LeMonde
|
Posted - 2006.11.17 04:13:00 -
[97]
Originally by: Kalianyia LeMonde
This WILL be on Kali right? (IE with the new BS's / BC's and HP boosts) Just asking since December 1st is almost exactly 2 weeks away. Is Kali going to make it in time, and get past all the inital bumps and burps that moving it to Tranquility ussually creates?
Just asking as knowing what Eve version we will be competing on is very important to our strategy and ship setups (or anyone else's for that matter).
I'm cencerely hoping that Kali will be out before the tournament, and right now it seems to be on schedule to be released on the 28th (as far as I know).
If something does come up which delays the release, we will simply have to put up with it and play the first or both weekends in the current version. Kali has been delayed quite a lot, and when the date for the tournament was decided back in August we never really considered this possibility. Hopefully Kali will be released on the 28th though, and we will have a smooth patch day and an enjoyable tournament a few days later.
|
|
Bane Lord
VentureCorp Imperial Republic Of the North
|
Posted - 2006.11.17 04:30:00 -
[98]
Are these the FINAL pairings?
because we submitted our Team before the deadline(not by much) but still before.
And IRON is not on the pairings list.
OMG! It's teh Bane! |
|
LeMonde
|
Posted - 2006.11.17 04:39:00 -
[99]
Originally by: Bane Lord Are these the FINAL pairings?
because we submitted our Team before the deadline(not by much) but still before.
And IRON is not on the pairings list.
As long as all of the alliances pay their deposit before the 20th, yes. Four alliances are queued up to take the place of those who don't pay, if they don't pay.
|
|
Bane Lord
VentureCorp Imperial Republic Of the North
|
Posted - 2006.11.17 04:41:00 -
[100]
Edited by: Bane Lord on 17/11/2006 04:42:50 What happened to: "A total of 64 alliances will be allowed to enter."?
if there are 4 other alliances in the queue what's wrong with creating a new pairing?
EDIT: I know you really had to jump through hoops to make this thing happen, but why extend the signup period, so that an alliance can get its hopes up only to say "no" to them?
OMG! It's teh Bane! |
|
|
LeMonde
|
Posted - 2006.11.17 04:50:00 -
[101]
Originally by: Bane Lord Edited by: Bane Lord on 17/11/2006 04:42:50 What happened to: "A total of 64 alliances will be allowed to enter."?
if there are 4 other alliances in the queue what's wrong with creating a new pairing?
EDIT: I know you really had to jump through hoops to make this thing happen, but why extend the signup period, so that an alliance can get its hopes up only to say "no" to them?
Originally we intended to allow 64 alliances. However, it soon became quite clear we wouldn't reach that number so it was dropped down to 40, just like last time. The extended time was to fill up four open slots we had in the tournament. Filling them up only took a few hours, and after that anybody who signed up was simply too late. This may seem a bit harsh, but having 43 or 44 alliances makes it a lot harder for us to balance it out to a fair tournament, without changing it around completely (swiss rounds would be best here, which increases the total number of matches to an unmanageable number).
|
|
Bane Lord
VentureCorp Imperial Republic Of the North
|
Posted - 2006.11.17 05:03:00 -
[102]
So, the next logical question is...
What can the 4 queued alliances do to ensure that, should the spaces be, opened up they could participate?
OMG! It's teh Bane! |
|
LeMonde
|
Posted - 2006.11.17 05:06:00 -
[103]
Originally by: Bane Lord So, the next logical question is...
What can the 4 queued alliances do to ensure that, should the spaces be, opened up they could participate?
Make sure their members list are sent in, and wait till the 20th.
|
|
Morning Maniac
Eve University Ivy League
|
Posted - 2006.11.17 07:08:00 -
[104]
IVY League also entered a team on the first day of the sign up. I am disappointed that we are not on the list. Should I send the ISK to LeMonde? I have not received any word from any race official.
MM http://eve.xonectic.com/forum/(out of game) EVE University commercial |
Phyrron
Gallente Omega Armada The Pentagram
|
Posted - 2006.11.17 10:34:00 -
[105]
thats not an information base... thats an disinformation jungle
|
Lapte Batut
|
Posted - 2006.11.17 10:43:00 -
[106]
is this no't to fair becose if some one come with all the ships full of dumpers and drone dumpers wtf ? lots of ppl with come with CNR and this will be a Caldary vs Caldary Tournament becose ppl is scared to come in turets ships
Long Live Dumpers ,Drones and FoF's
|
Seleene
Body Count Inc. Mercenary Coalition
|
Posted - 2006.11.17 16:06:00 -
[107]
Originally by: Shin Ra
Originally by: Slash Harnet Group F is going to be fun to watch.
It shall be henceforth referred to as the group of death.
YES!!!
**** me! Better to come in on fire or go out in a blaze of glory, I say! See you there, Shin! -
Movie: 9UY - Got Fighters? |
ookke
|
Posted - 2006.11.17 16:49:00 -
[108]
I see we have 5 team qualifier groups instead of the orginal 4 teams that was planned. Is there still only one team advancing per qualifier bracket?
|
Razor Jaxx
Minus Ten
|
Posted - 2006.11.17 17:03:00 -
[109]
Originally by: ookke I see we have 5 team qualifier groups instead of the orginal 4 teams that was planned. Is there still only one team advancing per qualifier bracket?
Doubt it :
64 entrants > 16 groups of 4 teams ea., 1 qualifier per group, 16 qualifiers total.
40 entrants > 8 groups of 5 teams ea., 2 qualifiers per group, 16 qualifiers total.
Unless CCP chose to halve the number of matches in the knockout stage, look forward to having 2 qualifiers per group.
|
Morning Maniac
Eve University Ivy League
|
Posted - 2006.11.17 17:43:00 -
[110]
I'm so gutted that our entry went missing. I bet BoB aka MC aka Devs were so afraid of our entry that they made it go "missing". Because I'm the uber carebear I can't even get rid off my frustration by killing some random people.
/me logs off and goes to play some GTA...
MM http://eve.xonectic.com/forum/(out of game) EVE University commercial |
|
DeddyMassive
|
Posted - 2006.11.17 18:33:00 -
[111]
The last tourney had the same amount of groups as now. 40 teams, 8 groups, 5 teams each, 2 qualifiers & 8 knockout matches before the quaters. 80 matches over 5 days & 15 matches on the last day. 95 matches.
This time, you asked for 64 teams 4 per group, 96 matches over 5 days providing 16 qualifiers for the knockout phase, then the 15 for the final. 111 matches.
What you've now stated is.. 80 matches over 5 days & 7 matches on the last day. 87 matches. 8 less than last tourney & 24 less than your initially hinted at.
Whatever happened to improving on successes of the past?
|
|
LeMonde
|
Posted - 2006.11.17 18:50:00 -
[112]
Two teams advance from each bracket.
|
|
Syox
Solidline Enterprise
|
Posted - 2006.11.18 08:13:00 -
[113]
Hello, few questions:
Are Large 'accomodation' and Quad Lif MWD considered T1 and are they allowed into tournament? Also we can use COSMOS items as far as I've read.
HERE: T2 Battle cruiser ......................................................8 Tier 2 Battle cruiser.................................................8 Tier 1 Battle cruiser.................................................7 T2 Cruiser ................................................................7 Tech 1 Tier 1 Battle cruiser ....................................6
Is not the same Tier 1 Battle Cruiser with Tech 1 Tier 1 Battle Cruiser ? Please explain as we need to know which category brutix is.
Others: - how many sec. you can stay before fight start ? - are you allowed to activate modules and target before engadging in freeze time round? - can you reload ammo before round start? - what happend with cargos after battle ? - ships lost we replace right? - where we should have all ships before starting tournament, is thre a location or GM will move all ships and stuff to a tournament station?
This is first for us so we need to know some details some of you thing minor, so don't come with wise answer, only if you can help.
|
|
LeMonde
|
Posted - 2006.11.18 14:08:00 -
[114]
Originally by: Syox Hello, few questions:
Are Large 'accomodation' and Quad Lif MWD considered T1 and are they allowed into tournament? Also we can use COSMOS items as far as I've read.
HERE: T2 Battle cruiser ......................................................8 Tier 2 Battle cruiser.................................................8 Tier 1 Battle cruiser.................................................7 T2 Cruiser ................................................................7 Tech 1 Tier 1 Battle cruiser ....................................6
Is not the same Tier 1 Battle Cruiser with Tech 1 Tier 1 Battle Cruiser ? Please explain as we need to know which category brutix is.
Others: - how many sec. you can stay before fight start ? - are you allowed to activate modules and target before engadging in freeze time round? - can you reload ammo before round start? - what happend with cargos after battle ? - ships lost we replace right? - where we should have all ships before starting tournament, is thre a location or GM will move all ships and stuff to a tournament station?
This is first for us so we need to know some details some of you thing minor, so don't come with wise answer, only if you can help.
1. Both of those modules are allowed. 2. The Brutix is a Tier 1 battlecruiser, and costs 7 points. The document has an error in it which will be corrected, along with others, in the updated rules document. 3. When the fight starts, an ECM burst will be fired that will break the lock of all contestants. After its fired you can start fighting. 4. Cargo containers/wrecks will be cleared out of the arena after each battle. Contestants may have time to collect loot, but I wouldn't count on it. 5. You lose the ships you use, and they will not be replaced. 6. Be ready in a station inside the ship you are competing in. Don't forget ammo or drones as you will not be sent back to get them. When your name is called for in the tournament channel (details sent to all contestants next week) your team must respond with your team status. Teams must be ready 30 minutes before their fight is scheduled to start. Late comers may miss their match, which voids the entry fee.
|
|
Sergio Ling
Standard Operations Building Services Maelstrom Alliance
|
Posted - 2006.11.18 14:48:00 -
[115]
Originally by: Syox
Others: - how many sec. you can stay before fight start ? - are you allowed to activate modules and target before engadging in freeze time round? - can you reload ammo before round start? - what happend with cargos after battle ? - ships lost we replace right? - where we should have all ships before starting tournament, is thre a location or GM will move all ships and stuff to a tournament station?
This is first for us so we need to know some details some of you thing minor, so don't come with wise answer, only if you can help.
The fight starts on the Judge's say so Well, yes. Losers die, winners get transported out soon after. If you can yoink some phat lewt, grats You can replace your own losses
Originally by: Jacob Majestic
Umm, why don't you just use the correct dread? |
Oceana
Black Lance Dusk and Dawn
|
Posted - 2006.11.18 23:53:00 -
[116]
Originally by: LeMonde The document has an error in it which will be corrected, along with others, in the updated rules document.
Can you let us know when the corrected rules will be out? Especially because I'm still unclear on whether there are still errors in the points per ship - which will affect planning, obviously.
Thanks!
|
Kalianyia
Caldari Finis Lumen Muffins of Mayhem
|
Posted - 2006.11.19 02:04:00 -
[117]
Also I know this has been addressed but I can not even try hard enough to stress the importance of knowing at least a week ahead of time whether we will be fighting on the current RMR or the upcomming Revelations.
This is absolutely crucial to know for any alliance to try to figure out what setups they will be running. As you pointed out LeMonde - we must be in our ships and all setup and ready to go 30 minutes ahead of time. Therefore it would be really nice knowing whether we should plan on flying a tier 3 BS or tier 2 BC for our first match, or whether we should plan on the RMR varients. That way we have the time to buy the ships and gear as according to our schedule. I sure as hell dont want to find out the day before my first match that Kali got delayed (or unexpectedly released) and then have to go fly all around trying to get the ship / mods that I need (No im not BoB and am not uber rich and do not have t2 mods overflowing out of my hangars thank you very much). -----
|
Bane Lord
VentureCorp Imperial Republic Of the North
|
Posted - 2006.11.19 17:30:00 -
[118]
Out of curiosity, LeMonde, how many alliance have not payed the bill yet? (Just trying to figure out my team's chances of actually participating this year)
OMG! It's teh Bane! |
Syox
Solidline Enterprise Kith of Venal
|
Posted - 2006.11.19 18:51:00 -
[119]
Another question:
Are deadspace items allowed?
Like corpum, core?
or only cosmos like 'meditation' armor?
Officer and faction I've understood aren't.
|
Bane Lord
VentureCorp Imperial Republic Of the North
|
Posted - 2006.11.19 19:02:00 -
[120]
Originally by: Syox Another question:
Are deadspace items allowed?
Like corpum, core?
or only cosmos like 'meditation' armor?
Officer and faction I've understood aren't.
Rules say faction/deadspace modules are not allowed. Officer mods fit under the Faction part of that.
OMG! It's teh Bane! |
|
JoeT
Amarr Short Attention Span
|
Posted - 2006.11.19 22:42:00 -
[121]
Originally by: Ange1 Perhaps The Establishment should enter this time and attempt to get itself a 2nd Mothership. Imagine the carnage
Or not :D
That one you have crapping out 25fighters is enough :D --- If i'm posting on the forums, it's mostly cause i'm at work :D
|
Karitsa
|
Posted - 2006.11.20 00:05:00 -
[122]
Originally by: TWD Interesting.
Well, may the best dampening team win
So are all bringing mindlinked EOS + 4 celestis to fill those 28pts?
so Signal suppresion l4, ship bonus, eos 33.75%.
2 sb ii + webber + 3 tii dampeners?
tii rails + tii meds?
And what are tha traditional vulture + cnr comboes going to do, fly as a pack ( keep at range ), towards the celestis pack boosting each other and hoping to get so close they can get one by boosting the the cnr sensors?
Anyhow I Quess thsoe dampener fleets get one smallish ship killed from the other side and it will end in slow point ficture, or DQ cos area is escaped or cos someone risks with a smartie and someone suicides to it.
|
|
LeMonde
|
Posted - 2006.11.20 00:17:00 -
[123]
Corrected Pairings Contestants
|
|
JediLover
Rampage Eternal
|
Posted - 2006.11.20 00:23:00 -
[124]
Im sorry to inform that this year the legacy of SA is broken in the championships.
Our well trained team including the members of the previous two tournaments ( where we where in top 16 and top 8 ): Shivan, Darpz, Kernal and rest of us( Xelios and uchi in the bench )
And even the two remaining members we got from amarr championship winners blackviper and ecliptical ( in his new account ) are currently dressed in black.
Due to random real life problems in last week after months of specialized training, we found our self in the queue ( outside 40 ) and thus just heard when day changed that we are out.
With a legacy from the tournaments with solid good placements and with better funded and more skilled team than ever would have been more than happy to join this tournament.
I hope those alliances activated for this tournament will get to quarter finals like we have, because otherwise this pain im currently feeling will make me cry.
|
Bane Lord
VentureCorp Imperial Republic Of the North
|
Posted - 2006.11.20 00:32:00 -
[125]
So, I'm guessing this means everyone paid the bill?
*sigh*
What if those 4 alliances who found themselves shut out of the tournament because the brakets were changed without anyone knowing, found a 5th alliance to fill the braket?
OMG! It's teh Bane! |
JediLover
Rampage Eternal
|
Posted - 2006.11.20 01:03:00 -
[126]
Originally by: Bane Lord So, I'm guessing this means everyone paid the bill?
*sigh*
What if those 4 alliances who found themselves shut out of the tournament because the brakets were changed without anyone knowing, found a 5th alliance to fill the braket?
The idea is nice, I am even willing to pay that billion and we might be able to use ghost alliance like good old SA for it. But instead of brining 9th group there is about omega other possibilities like.
a) take all 44, 4 groups 11 in each, 4 matches per team and football scoring, top 16 continues.
b) take all 64, use some decent linear congrentual pseudorandom to fill in 1-2 empty slots for each of the 16 4 men groups. 1 goes per slot, some have less fights but bests goest to quarter finals anyhow.
c) take all 44, 2 groups 22 each, 7 matches each, top 4 from both continues staight to semifinals
And remember its nost just sad for us to be out, its just for you not to seen alliances like IRON or us old Mass members giving u some challenge.
Those of you who got in, honor the bushido code, pressure the organisers to use their imagination to make it a alliance tournament, not a alliance- tournament ( with just the 40 quickest including some ghost alliances ).
|
QwaarJet
Gallente Rage of Angels Morsus Mihi
|
Posted - 2006.11.20 01:33:00 -
[127]
Firstly, I agree that all alliances that apply should be in the tournament, so I hope you all get in.
Secondly, where is Kayo? He's always in the alliance tournament! He ain't on the BoB pilot list.
"Hobbes, she stepped into the Perimeter Of Wisdom.Run!" |
Shin Ra
BURN EDEN
|
Posted - 2006.11.20 04:07:00 -
[128]
Originally by: QwaarJet Firstly, I agree that all alliances that apply should be in the tournament, so I hope you all get in.
Secondly, where is Kayo? He's always in the alliance tournament! He ain't on the BoB pilot list.
He has quit the game.
|
Lunas Feelgood
Euphoria Released
|
Posted - 2006.11.20 05:58:00 -
[129]
Dear Lemonde any chance you could tell us what the prices are??
|
Bane Lord
VentureCorp Imperial Republic Of the North
|
Posted - 2006.11.20 06:23:00 -
[130]
Originally by: Lunas Feelgood Dear Lemonde any chance you could tell us what the prices are??
I believe it was announced at fanfest, that they would be a unique Tempest and a unique Raven.
Middle of page 3/4 someone posted sexy screenshots.
OMG! It's teh Bane! |
|
Valrandir
Shiva Morsus Mihi
|
Posted - 2006.11.20 17:35:00 -
[131]
Originally by: Shin Ra
Originally by: QwaarJet Firstly, I agree that all alliances that apply should be in the tournament, so I hope you all get in.
Secondly, where is Kayo? He's always in the alliance tournament! He ain't on the BoB pilot list.
He has quit the game.
For Lineage II?
-------------------------------- This has surpassed the Yarrdware specification and has been dubbed Uberware.
|
Godar Marak
Amarr Return Of Red Dawn
|
Posted - 2006.11.20 23:18:00 -
[132]
when will we see a tournament thats for people whos not 'cool' enough to be in an alliance?
Let me guess, never -------------------- '\0/\0/\0/\0/\0/' Cant we all just get along? Wheres EVE heading?
|
TRIGGER
|
Posted - 2006.11.21 13:47:00 -
[133]
As an alliance tournament everyone that applies should be allowed to play no matter how uneasy it is to balance matches .
|
Valrandir
Shiva Morsus Mihi
|
Posted - 2006.11.21 19:46:00 -
[134]
Originally by: Godar Marak when will we see a tournament thats for people whos not 'cool' enough to be in an alliance?
Let me guess, never
Such tournaments are going on all the time, organized by players themselves.
Why don't you make one?
-------------------------------- This has surpassed the Yarrdware specification and has been dubbed Uberware.
|
QwaarJet
Gallente Rage of Angels Morsus Mihi
|
Posted - 2006.11.21 22:15:00 -
[135]
LeMonde, I hope you seriously consider entering any of the alliances that haven't got it, no matter the cost. As trigger said, it's an alliance tournament, so anyone who applies should get in.
"Hobbes, she stepped into the Perimeter Of Wisdom.Run!" |
Tyrrax Thorrk
Amarr Umbra Congregatio Interstellar Alcohol Conglomerate
|
Posted - 2006.11.22 02:18:00 -
[136]
I'd like to see some of the people in that didn't make it.
Maybe next time sign up before time runs out ?
|
Bane Lord
VentureCorp Imperial Republic Of the North
|
Posted - 2006.11.22 04:09:00 -
[137]
Originally by: Tyrrax Thorrk I'd like to see some of the people in that didn't make it.
Maybe next time sign up before time runs out ?
Uhm.. we DID.
We sent in our team roster well before the deadline. It's just too bad that it was decided to only allow 40 alliances without actually telling anyone.
OMG! It's teh Bane! |
Tyrrax Thorrk
Amarr Umbra Congregatio Interstellar Alcohol Conglomerate
|
Posted - 2006.11.22 06:10:00 -
[138]
Edited by: Tyrrax Thorrk on 22/11/2006 06:10:58
Signed up well before the second deadline ;P
You sent in your app after LeMonde extended the time (due to lack of participating teams) .. If you'd signed up before signups were originally scheduled to close you would've been in
|
Morning Maniac
Eve University Ivy League
|
Posted - 2006.11.22 11:04:00 -
[139]
We did actually sign up on day one of the signing up but somehow the internet gremlin ate our application. It's really very disappointing
MM http://eve.xonectic.com/forum/(out of game) EVE University commercial |
Smagd
Encina Technologies Namtz'aar k'in
|
Posted - 2006.11.22 17:11:00 -
[140]
Thing is, I'm a bit scared of LeMonde somehow sorting in the 4 remaining alliances, and us ending up in Group F ... --
|
|
Goddance
Wyrakami Corporation
|
Posted - 2006.11.23 01:44:00 -
[141]
Originally by: Tyrrax Thorrk What I think they should do is promote Gnauton, give him free reigns and assign like 5 naked content interns to doing whatever he says.
I agree
GOD HATES CLOGS
|
ookke
|
Posted - 2006.11.25 18:04:00 -
[142]
Quote: Fights are limited to 15 minutes in the first round. After that the fight will be stopped and whichever alliance has destroyed ships with a higher number of total point worth will be declared winner. Unused points count towards the ædestroyed pointsÆ number.
Am I right assuming that this means that if you don't use all your points you automatically forfeit them as "lost ships" ?
|
Shin Ra
BURN EDEN
|
Posted - 2006.11.26 19:21:00 -
[143]
Originally by: ookke
Quote: Fights are limited to 15 minutes in the first round. After that the fight will be stopped and whichever alliance has destroyed ships with a higher number of total point worth will be declared winner. Unused points count towards the ædestroyed pointsÆ number.
Am I right assuming that this means that if you don't use all your points you automatically forfeit them as "lost ships" ?
No the opposite is true. Unused points are counted as killed points.
|
Helganstandt
Finis Lumen Muffins of Mayhem
|
Posted - 2006.11.26 19:48:00 -
[144]
Ok, I'm a bit confused here. Rules say you can lock beforehand, but then LeMonde says they will fire an ECM burst at the beginning anyway.
So what is the point of having that in the rules if the lock is going to be broken at the start anyway? That's just contradictory, and very confusing.
I would ask that either "ECM burst will be fired to signify a start to the match" be added to the official rules, or remove the part saying you can lock beforehand altogether since it makes no difference if an ECM burst is going to be fired.
Unless someone can give me a plausible reason as to why you'd need to lock beforehand if you're just going to lose the lock anyway. Ship scanner wouldn't make sense since you're already setup....don't know what else you could do really.
|
Jonathan Jewels
|
Posted - 2006.11.26 20:18:00 -
[145]
Well I quess most of the poorer alliances are bringing this kind of 4 celestis + eos fitting for quite many fights, but I also believe that many better resourced alliances are using CNR + Vulture only, if its truly true that not used points are counted as killed points.
EOS + 4 celestis, cant infact, specially after kali, kill Vulture+CNR, and those only need to slowly ( moving together ( keet at 50m ) move towards hostiles celestis etc pack and down few to win or just tank it if not used points are counted as killpoints.
Is it still truely a caldari tournie?
IMO extra points used as kill or loose points make the tournie less a manly fight of best pilots, but partly a logical exercise leading to boring fights.
Originally by: Karitsa
Originally by: TWD Interesting.
Well, may the best dampening team win
So are all bringing mindlinked EOS + 4 celestis to fill those 28pts?
so Signal suppresion l4, ship bonus, eos 33.75%.
2 sb ii + webber + 3 tii dampeners?
tii rails + tii meds?
And what are tha traditional vulture + cnr comboes going to do, fly as a pack ( keep at range ), towards the celestis pack boosting each other and hoping to get so close they can get one by boosting the the cnr sensors?
Anyhow I Quess thsoe dampener fleets get one smallish ship killed from the other side and it will end in slow point ficture, or DQ cos area is escaped or cos someone risks with a smartie and someone suicides to it.
|
Shin Ra
BURN EDEN
|
Posted - 2006.11.26 20:41:00 -
[146]
Originally by: Helganstandt Ok, I'm a bit confused here. Rules say you can lock beforehand, but then LeMonde says they will fire an ECM burst at the beginning anyway.
So what is the point of having that in the rules if the lock is going to be broken at the start anyway? That's just contradictory, and very confusing.
I would ask that either "ECM burst will be fired to signify a start to the match" be added to the official rules, or remove the part saying you can lock beforehand altogether since it makes no difference if an ECM burst is going to be fired.
Unless someone can give me a plausible reason as to why you'd need to lock beforehand if you're just going to lose the lock anyway. Ship scanner wouldn't make sense since you're already setup....don't know what else you could do really.
Its a subtle way of saying that one player can use a ship scanner if available and scan the enemy ships beforehand to get a tactical advantage. But, your loose the use of a midslot which.
|
El Yatta
Mercenary Forces Exquisite Malevolance
|
Posted - 2006.11.26 23:48:00 -
[147]
Originally by: Shin Ra
Originally by: ookke
Quote: Fights are limited to 15 minutes in the first round. After that the fight will be stopped and whichever alliance has destroyed ships with a higher number of total point worth will be declared winner. Unused points count towards the ædestroyed pointsÆ number.
Am I right assuming that this means that if you don't use all your points you automatically forfeit them as "lost ships" ?
No the opposite is true. Unused points are counted as killed points.
This makes no sense. If points unused count as points that you've killed, to your advantage (i.e. the opposite of waht the person you quoted said), then by fielding one, INCREDIBLY tanked tier 1 bs, you spend 9 points, and have 19 points spare. Thus you are up 19-0 and the enemy cannot win even if they kill you... as it would be 19-9. Unless I have managed to misinterpret what you AND the first quoted poster are saying (or you misunderstood him), then points unused count against you. Thus all teams must strive to use all their points.
---||---
|
Shin Ra
BURN EDEN
|
Posted - 2006.11.27 00:13:00 -
[148]
Originally by: El Yatta
Originally by: Shin Ra
Originally by: ookke
Quote: Fights are limited to 15 minutes in the first round. After that the fight will be stopped and whichever alliance has destroyed ships with a higher number of total point worth will be declared winner. Unused points count towards the ædestroyed pointsÆ number.
Am I right assuming that this means that if you don't use all your points you automatically forfeit them as "lost ships" ?
No the opposite is true. Unused points are counted as killed points.
This makes no sense. If points unused count as points that you've killed, to your advantage (i.e. the opposite of waht the person you quoted said), then by fielding one, INCREDIBLY tanked tier 1 bs, you spend 9 points, and have 19 points spare. Thus you are up 19-0 and the enemy cannot win even if they kill you... as it would be 19-9. Unless I have managed to misinterpret what you AND the first quoted poster are saying (or you misunderstood him), then points unused count against you. Thus all teams must strive to use all their points.
Yeah your right. I was wrong.
|
ShadowlordUK
|
Posted - 2006.11.27 10:29:00 -
[149]
Edited by: ShadowlordUK on 27/11/2006 10:30:49 It's quite simple really tbh.
You have 28 points to spend. If you don't spend all your 28 points, whatever points that you dont use count against you.
So you could spend 24 points if you wanted, but your team would then start at a disadvantage, as if they had already destroyed 4 points worth of your ships.
Without this rule i wonder how many teams would have turned up in 5 interceptors / assault frigs.
Also it means that teams actually have to put some isk where their mouth is in order to recoup the initial billion....
|
JOSEPHx
Caldari Mercenary Forces Exquisite Malevolance
|
Posted - 2006.11.27 19:50:00 -
[150]
Originally by: Helganstandt Ok, I'm a bit confused here. Rules say you can lock beforehand, but then LeMonde says they will fire an ECM burst at the beginning anyway.
So what is the point of having that in the rules if the lock is going to be broken at the start anyway? That's just contradictory, and very confusing.
I would ask that either "ECM burst will be fired to signify a start to the match" be added to the official rules, or remove the part saying you can lock beforehand altogether since it makes no difference if an ECM burst is going to be fired.
Unless someone can give me a plausible reason as to why you'd need to lock beforehand if you're just going to lose the lock anyway. Ship scanner wouldn't make sense since you're already setup....don't know what else you could do really.
I am pretty sure that when the ecm burst is fired it breaks everones lock at exactly the same time, signalling the start of the match, its a pretty easy way to start the fight rather than a countdown or ready, staedy go.
--
|
|
Helganstandt
Finis Lumen Muffins of Mayhem
|
Posted - 2006.11.27 21:51:00 -
[151]
Originally by: JOSEPHx
Originally by: Helganstandt Ok, I'm a bit confused here. Rules say you can lock beforehand, but then LeMonde says they will fire an ECM burst at the beginning anyway.
So what is the point of having that in the rules if the lock is going to be broken at the start anyway? That's just contradictory, and very confusing.
I would ask that either "ECM burst will be fired to signify a start to the match" be added to the official rules, or remove the part saying you can lock beforehand altogether since it makes no difference if an ECM burst is going to be fired.
Unless someone can give me a plausible reason as to why you'd need to lock beforehand if you're just going to lose the lock anyway. Ship scanner wouldn't make sense since you're already setup....don't know what else you could do really.
I am pretty sure that when the ecm burst is fired it breaks everones lock at exactly the same time, signalling the start of the match, its a pretty easy way to start the fight rather than a countdown or ready, staedy go.
--
That's why it makes no sense to have the "you can lock beforehand" rule though. If your lock is going to be broken, why is there a rule stating you can lock beforehand. I want to know what is actually going to happen so we know whether we need to fit sensor boosters or not (if we can lock beforehand, then there's no need). I'm hoping that Shin Ra is right, in that it's just a subtle way of saying that you can ship scan or something beforehand, but overall seems pretty useless.
I just want something official to be said about it. By the way, looking foward to fighting you guys first, heh.
|
El Yatta
Mercenary Forces Exquisite Malevolance
|
Posted - 2006.11.28 01:25:00 -
[152]
Likewise
---||---
|
Theoraden
Dark Cartel Otherworld Empire Productions
|
Posted - 2006.11.29 09:04:00 -
[153]
Originally by: Helganstandt
Originally by: JOSEPHx
Originally by: Helganstandt Ok, I'm a bit confused here. Rules say you can lock beforehand, but then LeMonde says they will fire an ECM burst at the beginning anyway.
So what is the point of having that in the rules if the lock is going to be broken at the start anyway? That's just contradictory, and very confusing.
I would ask that either "ECM burst will be fired to signify a start to the match" be added to the official rules, or remove the part saying you can lock beforehand altogether since it makes no difference if an ECM burst is going to be fired.
Unless someone can give me a plausible reason as to why you'd need to lock beforehand if you're just going to lose the lock anyway. Ship scanner wouldn't make sense since you're already setup....don't know what else you could do really.
I am pretty sure that when the ecm burst is fired it breaks everones lock at exactly the same time, signalling the start of the match, its a pretty easy way to start the fight rather than a countdown or ready, staedy go.
--
That's why it makes no sense to have the "you can lock beforehand" rule though. If your lock is going to be broken, why is there a rule stating you can lock beforehand. I want to know what is actually going to happen so we know whether we need to fit sensor boosters or not (if we can lock beforehand, then there's no need). I'm hoping that Shin Ra is right, in that it's just a subtle way of saying that you can ship scan or something beforehand, but overall seems pretty useless.
I just want something official to be said about it. By the way, looking foward to fighting you guys first, heh.
If you don't have a lock before an ECM burst is fired, then you don't know the burst has been fired?
So by having a lock and then losing it, you know the match has started? ---
I have a Biatch called res0
|
dalman
Finite Horizon
|
Posted - 2006.11.29 10:56:00 -
[154]
Please update the contestants list for The Red Skull (and others if they've been changed) asap to reduce the ammount of whining. Am I forced to have any regret? I've become the lie, beautiful and free In my righteous own mind I adore and preach the insanity you gave to me |
Shin Ra
BURN EDEN
|
Posted - 2006.11.29 12:38:00 -
[155]
Originally by: dalman Please update the contestants list for The Red Skull (and others if they've been changed) asap to reduce the ammount of whining.
Yeah same for Terra Incognita.
If anyone is desperate to know our changes - evemail me.
|
|
LeMonde
|
Posted - 2006.11.29 13:41:00 -
[156]
Contestants page was updated.
After the 20th we have allowed no changes to teams, save for one exception. Our EveTV commentator, DJ Condor, could not make it to Iceland due to medical reasons. We quickly found a replacement, Trevedian. Our rules state that no employee or member of CCP or EveTV is allowed to compete in the tournament, and thus we allowed Dalman to take Trevedians spot on the Red Skull team.
Some more issues raised in this (and other) threads:
1) There will be an ECM burst fired at the beginning of every match. This not being a part of the rules PDF is my mistake. Shin Ra is correct that allowing locking before fighting is a subtle hint that people can scan their opponents ships before the match starts. It also gives you a clear indicator when you are able to start locking and when the fight begins.
2) We did take a good hard look at Crystal implants and decided not to change them (now). Like somebody pointed out, changing a module for the sake of the tournament is a bad thing. The issue of allowing them in the tournament was raised at a meeting where representatives from most of the alliances in the top 16 from last time were present. I personally voted to not allow them, but the majority said otherwise.
3) The dates for the tournament were decided in August when Revelations was scheduled for October. We cannot change the dates of the tournament due to EveTV scheduling issues. We have ten people who have flown from the US and UK, and I don't want to keep them here for another week. Also, I know pilots who have set their vacations around the tournament, and we wouldn't want to screw them over.
Also, I would like to raise the issue of disallowing information warfare modules. The last minute change to those was not realized by many teams who may have wanted to change their strategy accordingly. I would like to see arguments for and against before making a decision.
|
|
TWD
TAOSP Band of Brothers
|
Posted - 2006.11.29 13:50:00 -
[157]
For the removal of the Electronic Superiority link. Unexpected change that went in just a few days ago and will make a huge difference to the tournament.
The bonus is cumulative, one dampener will benefit "slightly" from the bonus but when using 3 dampeners it nearly doubles the effects on the target when using an Eos w/ max skills/mindlink. This means that the lock range of the target will be almost halved and the locking time almost doubled when comparing to the same ship not receiving the gang bonus.
The teams with a max skilled Eos pilot will be very very lucky if this stays in |
Max Teranous
Body Count Inc. Mercenary Coalition
|
Posted - 2006.11.29 14:31:00 -
[158]
Also for the removal of the Electronic Superiority link. The decision to allow the use of dampening in the tournie was undoubtedly taking into account it's effectiveness at that time. With the changes to the link just days before the event takes the effectiveness of damps from a good tactic but dealable with, to overpowering. Further it will make for boring fights, spoiling the spectacle for eve-tv.
Max
--------------------
|
Helplessandlost
Minmatar Convergent Firmus Ixion
|
Posted - 2006.11.29 15:40:00 -
[159]
Question that may have been answered already, how do we get our ships to the staging area? Do we have to pre-fit them and have them moved or will we be able to buy and fit at the staging area?
/me is looking forward to Friday
"Don't take life too seriously, nobody gets out alive!"
http://images.filecloud.com/283570/hal201.jpg
signature removed (max size 24000 bytes) - please email us (with the signature URL) if you want to know why - Pirlouit([email protected]) |
dalman
Finite Horizon
|
Posted - 2006.11.29 15:55:00 -
[160]
Originally by: Helplessandlost Question that may have been answered already, how do we get our ships to the staging area? Do we have to pre-fit them and have them moved or will we be able to buy and fit at the staging area?
A dev/gm/isd use their transport command to move you and the ship you are in to that place. So yes, you need them prefit. And if you plan to win the final despite losing your ship in the 3 other matches that day, you better have 4 prefitted ships ready...
Am I forced to have any regret? I've become the lie, beautiful and free In my righteous own mind I adore and preach the insanity you gave to me |
|
ShadowlordUK
|
Posted - 2006.11.29 16:23:00 -
[161]
Edited by: ShadowlordUK on 29/11/2006 16:26:53 I fail to see why a team would need '4 prefitted ships ready'....
Presumably after each flight the pilots are either going to be moved back to empire or pod themselves back...
Needing to buy and fit all the ships you might need for the entire tourney would be almost impossible for some of the smaller alliences such as my own...
P.S. I'd like to have a little whine about crystal implants being allowed in the tourney... Basically means that any allience without these very expensive modules is going to be at a disadvantage before they even start the battle..
No surprise why a majority of people in the top 16 last time voted for it lol! Why wouldnt they? Most of them belong to the alliences that want the advantage!
|
QwaarJet
Gallente Rage of Angels Morsus Mihi
|
Posted - 2006.11.29 18:09:00 -
[162]
Agreed with Shadowlord on the crystal implants. Regardless of what the top 16 alliances say, they should NOT be allowed.
And yes, I vote for disallowing the changed warfare link.
"Hobbes, she stepped into the Perimeter Of Wisdom.Run!" |
Tigertex
Arcane Technologies The Five
|
Posted - 2006.11.29 18:32:00 -
[163]
If we want to make this tourny better than the last one, it needs to be more exicting, with the points system in it allows for many different setups. As things where i was worried that it would be too sensor dampener centred, therefore creating very one sided matches with the team than managed to dampen the other first first, winning. Now with the changes to the Information warfare this is now 1000 times worse. If it remains it will see very one sided fighting, that will contain no interest to the people of eve. What we want is fights like the semi finals last year, where the tide of the match kept changing. Information warfare changes will not allow this to happen.
|
Tyrrax Thorrk
Amarr Umbra Congregatio Interstellar Alcohol Conglomerate
|
Posted - 2006.11.29 19:16:00 -
[164]
I think banning that particular gang module would be good.
|
Ifni
Developmental Neogenics Amalgamated
|
Posted - 2006.11.29 20:22:00 -
[165]
My personal view is to leave it in. Ok, it's a last minute change to the tournament, but the module has been brought in line with the other mindlinks. That means that prior to this change, all those using this mindlink were not getting the full advantage from it. All the teams follow the same rules, so it's not like one team is getting an advantage over another.
Additionally, when the votes were made on the module restrictions, I wasn't keen to limit any of them except remote tanking. I wanted to keep the tournament as close to live TQ PVP as possible. I understand the arguments for and against the use of EW, but as has been said in reference to the previous tournament, it was more like you were hunting npcs than fighting a real opponent. Disallowing this module is another step towards making the tournament a highly abstract form of PVP.
You take what is offered. And that must sometimes be enough. |
Sivona
Body Count Inc. Mercenary Coalition
|
Posted - 2006.11.29 21:07:00 -
[166]
Originally by: Ifni My personal view is to leave it in. Ok, it's a last minute change to the tournament, but the module has been brought in line with the other mindlinks. That means that prior to this change, all those using this mindlink were not getting the full advantage from it. All the teams follow the same rules, so it's not like one team is getting an advantage over another.
Additionally, when the votes were made on the module restrictions, I wasn't keen to limit any of them except remote tanking. I wanted to keep the tournament as close to live TQ PVP as possible. I understand the arguments for and against the use of EW, but as has been said in reference to the previous tournament, it was more like you were hunting npcs than fighting a real opponent. Disallowing this module is another step towards making the tournament a highly abstract form of PVP.
And a prearranged 5 vs 5 isn't abstract pvp?
|
TWD
TAOSP Band of Brothers
|
Posted - 2006.11.29 21:55:00 -
[167]
Originally by: Ifni My personal view is to leave it in. Ok, it's a last minute change to the tournament, but the module has been brought in line with the other mindlinks. That means that prior to this change, all those using this mindlink were not getting the full advantage from it. All the teams follow the same rules, so it's not like one team is getting an advantage over another.
Additionally, when the votes were made on the module restrictions, I wasn't keen to limit any of them except remote tanking. I wanted to keep the tournament as close to live TQ PVP as possible. I understand the arguments for and against the use of EW, but as has been said in reference to the previous tournament, it was more like you were hunting npcs than fighting a real opponent. Disallowing this module is another step towards making the tournament a highly abstract form of PVP.
1) Its not 'real' day to day PvP, and it will never be that way. It will have to be balanced for this situation.
2) For every tournament its important that the game rules are clear and do NOT change after the sign-ups are finalized.
I thought an "Expert" would know this.
|
dalman
Finite Horizon
|
Posted - 2006.11.29 23:24:00 -
[168]
Edited by: dalman on 29/11/2006 23:27:59
Originally by: Ifni Additionally, when the votes were made on the module restrictions, I wasn't keen to limit any of them except remote tanking. I wanted to keep the tournament as close to live TQ PVP as possible...it was more like you were hunting npcs than fighting a real opponent.
That's some very weird reasoning imo.
Shouldn't that be changed to something in the lines of: "Live TQ PVP is like if you were hunting npcs, rather than fighting a real opponent as in the tournament". Except that in TQ PvP compared to NPCing, it's not sufficiant that you're outnumbered 1vs3-6 like when NPCing, but more of them usually spawns.
What a tournament does is to define rules. Rules about what can happen. The worst change in EVE ever imo was the removal of the "instant" map. That basicly took away the only rule there was on TQ, and now I don't know if we're "only" outnumbered 1vs2 when we engage or if it'll be 1vs10 soon. That takes away most of my possibilities when it comes to strategies and tactics. If I had a clearer view on TQ about what I'd be facing, I'd use much more sofisticated tactics - and remote repping for sure.
On this arena however, with defined rules, I have the fullest possibilities to implement and change strategies and tactics. Finally a battle against a "real opponent"!
As such, I am concerned about changes and unclear rules - both now and at last tournament(s). But on the subject I really couldn't care less. I've spent 0 seconds of examining PvP on SiSi, 0 seconds of thinking about the tournament, and you guessed it - 0 seconds of training skillpoints for the tournament, before I was suddenly called in (and our team has other issues as well). So personally I kinda enjoy that things are unclear for the other teams...
Am I forced to have any regret? I've become the lie, beautiful and free In my righteous own mind I adore and preach the insanity you gave to me |
Troubadour
Slacker Industries Exuro Mortis
|
Posted - 2006.11.30 00:17:00 -
[169]
After reading some posts on the forums and talking to some people in finding I am not alone in my opinions abotu this tournament, I was driven to make a post about them.
When I heard about the 3rd tourney and the ew being allowed, I was excited. Adding in some EW makes the tourney into more then a tankfest. Not allowing ECM and allowing other forms of EW is understandable, but then allowing teams to lock each other BEFORE the match starts???? WHY? A good percentage of the combat effectiveness of EW ships lies in the ability to lock the other guy first. Having my ew support getting 1 volleyed right off the bat makes it pointless to even bother with them. The point system sounded like a good idea, and is, it's just there aren't enough points IMHO to create decent enough squads make for decent fights to watch. 2 more points would of made things much more interesting to watch.
The planning of this tournament was just miserable. Don't take it personally, but I don't care how many eveTV guys had to go out of their way or how many event ISD guys had to stay up late or w/e to set this up. Having a tournament in the middle of a patching/expansion period is a terrible idea, Period. You can't have a tournament without the contestants, and right now, everyone I have personally talked too that is involved is ticked off about the planning and feels the responsable thing to do is to just push it back until the dust settles from revelations. I know when the tourney was set up, people we probably unsure of the status of kali and it's deployment. But soon after the tourney was annouced, it became clear that the patch was going to fall very close to the start of the tournament. Yet no action was taken to compensate for this. What is the logic behind this? Is there any even?
|
Shin Ra
BURN EDEN
|
Posted - 2006.11.30 01:23:00 -
[170]
I don't especially care either way as anyone fitting that gang mod will still die just as easily. However, I will go with popular opinion this time and say for it to be removed as its obviously going to make quite a difference to some teams.
Remember equal not fair.
|
|
ShadowlordUK
|
Posted - 2006.11.30 11:06:00 -
[171]
Edited by: ShadowlordUK on 30/11/2006 11:19:39
Originally by: Troubadour
When I heard about the 3rd tourney and the ew being allowed, I was excited. Adding in some EW makes the tourney into more then a tankfest. Not allowing ECM and allowing other forms of EW is understandable, but then allowing teams to lock each other BEFORE the match starts???? WHY? A good percentage of the combat effectiveness of EW ships lies in the ability to lock the other guy first. Having my ew support getting 1 volleyed right off the bat makes it pointless to even bother with them. The point system sounded like a good idea, and is, it's just there aren't enough points IMHO to create decent enough squads make for decent fights to watch. 2 more points would of made things much more interesting to watch.
The planning of this tournament was just miserable. Don't take it personally, but I don't care how many eveTV guys had to go out of their way or how many event ISD guys had to stay up late or w/e to set this up. Having a tournament in the middle of a patching/expansion period is a terrible idea, Period. You can't have a tournament without the contestants, and right now, everyone I have personally talked too that is involved is ticked off about the planning and feels the responsable thing to do is to just push it back until the dust settles from revelations. I know when the tourney was set up, people we probably unsure of the status of kali and it's deployment. But soon after the tourney was annouced, it became clear that the patch was going to fall very close to the start of the tournament. Yet no action was taken to compensate for this. What is the logic behind this? Is there any even?
The planning for this tournament was actually very good as far as i can see...
The recent patch has been the most problem free update that i can remember in the last 3 years and allowing teams to practice on singularity and updating their skills on the test server have all helped remove any problems teams might face with the new ships.
If your team hasnt made the effort to practice or think about possible setups then it is probably a pretty bad team anyway.
(Doesnt mean practice will pay off.. I still have nightmares of the team being totally destroyed in the match ... but at least you can have a game plan)
Ok allowing crystal implants is a mistake in my opinion and having module changes after the team selection has been made is .... well a little unfortunate. However anybody posting in this thread will have some bias to the warfare link depending on what they know their team is fielding.. So it should really be up to the tournament organisers and not open to discussion.
Lets face it... if you know your team is going to use damps then you will vote to keep it in, and if your team is not going to use damps you will vote to ban it lol...
As far as the points choice is concerned I think its pretty much perfect... It SUPPOSED to restrict you on your options... If everybody could just field 3 faction bs there would be no point to the system lol.
Its about making good choices and deciding where you have to sacrifice elements in order to make your team strategy work. You cant be strong in every area and thats the way it should be...
2 More points would lead to vastly more boring matches....
P.S. You can lock before the match starts, but that lock is then broken before you can actually engage or do anything.
|
ookke
|
Posted - 2006.11.30 11:47:00 -
[172]
Would make sense to not allow the information warfare gang links. AFAIK, at the point on signups 2 out of 3 info warfare links were still borked, and now they suddenly got fixed, a bit random.
I'm a bit disappointed that crystal set nerf was also announced, but then withdrawn only a few days before the tournament. Another random boost(to keep it as it is) to something that was considered to be "crap" at sign up stage.
|
|
LeMonde
|
Posted - 2006.11.30 15:41:00 -
[173]
Information Warfare links are no longer allowed in the tournament.
We have sent out mails to all contestants with the in-game channel which you should be present in before joining. If you have not received this mail, please open a convo with me. I will be online all day.
|
|
QwaarJet
Gallente Rage of Angels Morsus Mihi
|
Posted - 2006.11.30 16:12:00 -
[174]
That's good to hear Lemonde.
"Hobbes, she stepped into the Perimeter Of Wisdom.Run!" |
Sadist
Rage and Terror Against ALL Authorities
|
Posted - 2006.11.30 16:59:00 -
[175]
Originally by: Tyrrax Thorrk I think banning that particular gang module would be good.
I think banning Tyrrax from the tournament would be good. He'll take a dive again anyway. òòòòòòòòòòòò
VIP member of the [23]
Quote: - Numbers alone do not win a battle - No, but I bet they help.
|
Evil Thug
Rage and Terror Against ALL Authorities
|
Posted - 2006.11.30 17:03:00 -
[176]
Do we really need rules, if they are changing constantly, depending on whinage in your msn, Lemonde ?
|
Ryas Nia
Minmatar Stormriders Fimbulwinter
|
Posted - 2006.11.30 18:08:00 -
[177]
I dont suppose were ever going to get any contact from ccp as to when/where we need to be, what channels and such. Sending that email friday morning GMT does not do much as 1/2 my team is getting up at 5am in the US and will NOT have time to read such.
|
Helplessandlost
Minmatar Convergent Firmus Ixion
|
Posted - 2006.11.30 18:47:00 -
[178]
Another quick question cause I seem to think I've seen some conflicting information on this.
Before each match, we are in an empire station in the ship we will use in the match and will be moved ~30 minutes before our match starts. <==This I'm assuming is correct.
The real question is do we have to have more then one ship setup ready to go prior to each match? Or is this a requirement of the second week when it is possible that you will need to fight more then one time in a day?
"Don't take life too seriously, nobody gets out alive!"
http://images.filecloud.com/283570/hal201.jpg
signature removed (max size 24000 bytes) - please email us (with the signature URL) if you want to know why - Pirlouit([email protected]) |
maGz
The Priory Shroud Of Darkness
|
Posted - 2006.11.30 21:15:00 -
[179]
Edited by: maGz on 30/11/2006 21:15:17 WTS backbone
Oh and that thing about the top 16-alliance voting on pirate implants - nice way to kick all the smaller alliances, not able to buy pirate implants for their team, in ze *******...
I've said it before and I'll say it again: Get someone else to handle these tournaments! ____________
The Priory Killboard |
Lunas Feelgood
Euphoria Released
|
Posted - 2006.12.01 01:33:00 -
[180]
Originally by: maGz Edited by: maGz on 30/11/2006 21:15:17 WTS backbone
Oh and that thing about the top 16-alliance voting on pirate implants - nice way to kick all the smaller alliances, not able to buy pirate implants for their team, in ze *******...
I've said it before and I'll say it again: Get someone else to handle these tournaments!
I coulnt agree more.. All the big alliance can prop afford faction BS and get all there pilots with high grade faction implants..
However all the small alliance like E-U or other small ones dont got a chance in hell to get there pilots that..
So before the tournament starts all the small alliance is allrdy in a major disadvantage..
And offcourse Lemonde all the last 16 alliance in the last tournament gonna vote yes for faction implntas, since its all those alliance that can afford it...
|
|
ShadowlordUK
|
Posted - 2006.12.01 02:20:00 -
[181]
Edited by: ShadowlordUK on 01/12/2006 02:22:30
Originally by: LeMonde Information Warfare links are no longer allowed in the tournament.
We have sent out mails to all contestants with the in-game channel which you should be present in before joining. If you have not received this mail, please open a convo with me. I will be online all day.
As far as i know no members of my team have received any mails.. our match is at 4.20pm on Friday.
P.S. The allience we are flying for is Sani Khal'Venca if that helps at all..
Please send us the relevant info asap. Thanks!
|
Kalianyia
Caldari Finis Lumen Muffins of Mayhem
|
Posted - 2006.12.01 03:06:00 -
[182]
So did my alliance.
Just Eve-mail LeMonde and he should get it to you. Or worse cast, come the day - just PM someone on the opposite team you are fighting and they will give you the channel name and password. -----
|
Shin Ra
BURN EDEN
|
Posted - 2006.12.01 04:27:00 -
[183]
Originally by: Lunas Feelgood
Originally by: maGz Edited by: maGz on 30/11/2006 21:15:17 WTS backbone
Oh and that thing about the top 16-alliance voting on pirate implants - nice way to kick all the smaller alliances, not able to buy pirate implants for their team, in ze *******...
I've said it before and I'll say it again: Get someone else to handle these tournaments!
I coulnt agree more.. All the big alliance can prop afford faction BS and get all there pilots with high grade faction implants..
However all the small alliance like E-U or other small ones dont got a chance in hell to get there pilots that..
So before the tournament starts all the small alliance is allrdy in a major disadvantage..
And offcourse Lemonde all the last 16 alliance in the last tournament gonna vote yes for faction implntas, since its all those alliance that can afford it...
I am in the smallest alliance in the tournament.
I can afford high-grade sets of every implant set. I am choosing not to use them as I don't think its worth the isk.
Your alliances have hundreds of people in them, ER owns two stations, TSDS has miners out the nose. You should be able to afford them.
I'm sure both of you guys are smart enough to know the reasons why CCP have them in the tournament. Also, when the votes was cast, nobody else had signed up. Had we signed up then the rules were changed to a 5v5 capital fight, it would have sucked. Well - ok thats not gonna happen, but you get my point.
EQUAL not fair.
|
Seleene
Body Count Inc. Mercenary Coalition
|
Posted - 2006.12.01 04:37:00 -
[184]
Edited by: Seleene on 01/12/2006 04:38:09
Originally by: Shin Ra
Originally by: Lunas Feelgood
Originally by: maGz Edited by: maGz on 30/11/2006 21:15:17 WTS backbone
Oh and that thing about the top 16-alliance voting on pirate implants - nice way to kick all the smaller alliances, not able to buy pirate implants for their team, in ze *******...
I've said it before and I'll say it again: Get someone else to handle these tournaments!
I coulnt agree more.. All the big alliance can prop afford faction BS and get all there pilots with high grade faction implants..
However all the small alliance like E-U or other small ones dont got a chance in hell to get there pilots that..
So before the tournament starts all the small alliance is allrdy in a major disadvantage..
And offcourse Lemonde all the last 16 alliance in the last tournament gonna vote yes for faction implntas, since its all those alliance that can afford it...
I am in the smallest alliance in the tournament.
I can afford high-grade sets of every implant set. I am choosing not to use them as I don't think its worth the isk.
Your alliances have hundreds of people in them, ER owns two stations, TSDS has miners out the nose. You should be able to afford them.
I'm sure both of you guys are smart enough to know the reasons why CCP have them in the tournament. Also, when the votes was cast, nobody else had signed up. Had we signed up then the rules were changed to a 5v5 capital fight, it would have sucked. Well - ok thats not gonna happen, but you get my point.
EQUAL not fair.
The fact that I keep agreeing with Shin so much lately is starting to scare my mates.
The MC has roughly 100 active members. We can afford every trick in the book if we want. Seriously, it's an ALLIANCE tournament. If you want to compete, you should know ahead of time and plan accordingly. Shin's point is 1000% accurate. -
Oz's Tourney Betting Pool |
QwaarJet
Gallente Rage of Angels Morsus Mihi
|
Posted - 2006.12.01 05:10:00 -
[185]
Quote: And offcourse Lemonde all the last 16 alliance in the last tournament gonna vote yes for faction implntas, since its all those alliance that can afford it...
I'm part of a team from the top 16, and i'm heavily against implants.
"Hobbes, she stepped into the Perimeter Of Wisdom.Run!" |
Kathar Narka
Minmatar Destructive Influence Band of Brothers
|
Posted - 2006.12.01 06:35:00 -
[186]
Originally by: Shin Ra
I can afford high-grade sets of every implant set. I am choosing not to use them as I don't think its worth the isk.
Really?! Huh. In all seriousness, I would like to hear more on why you think that is. I've got full sets in two alts of mine & am pretty impressed actually.
I understand your point isn't saying they're crap, just that they may not be worth the great expense. I agree on a couple of sets. But otherwise, I'm shocked you wouldn't take advantage of nice bonuses such as these, and especially for a tournament.
Interesting. |
Shin Ra
BURN EDEN
|
Posted - 2006.12.01 06:50:00 -
[187]
Originally by: Kathar Narka
Originally by: Shin Ra
I can afford high-grade sets of every implant set. I am choosing not to use them as I don't think its worth the isk.
Really?! Huh. In all seriousness, I would like to hear more on why you think that is. I've got full sets in two alts of mine & am pretty impressed actually.
I understand your point isn't saying they're crap, just that they may not be worth the great expense. I agree on a couple of sets. But otherwise, I'm shocked you wouldn't take advantage of nice bonuses such as these, and especially for a tournament.
Interesting.
I didn't say I wasn't suing pirate implants at all. I said I'm choosing not to spend 8-10 billion kitting out my whole team with high-grade implants, when on tq we will rarely use them. Its a lot better value to pay 1.5 billion to get 3 people kitted out in low-grades. You don't get quite as big of an advantage, but I don't believe that will make such a big difference this time around.
|
Kathar Narka
Minmatar Destructive Influence Band of Brothers
|
Posted - 2006.12.01 07:13:00 -
[188]
Originally by: Shin Ra
Originally by: Kathar Narka
Originally by: Shin Ra
I can afford high-grade sets of every implant set. I am choosing not to use them as I don't think its worth the isk.
Really?! Huh. In all seriousness, I would like to hear more on why you think that is. I've got full sets in two alts of mine & am pretty impressed actually.
I understand your point isn't saying they're crap, just that they may not be worth the great expense. I agree on a couple of sets. But otherwise, I'm shocked you wouldn't take advantage of nice bonuses such as these, and especially for a tournament.
Interesting.
I didn't say I wasn't using pirate implants at all. I said I'm choosing not to spend 8-10 billion kitting out my whole team with high-grade implants...
Ahh.
Well at any rate, it's good to see you guys sorted yourselves an alliance and therefore qualify to be in the tourney.
I often wondered how you could stand to not be in it all this time.
Good luck.
|
Andor Traxel
Nebula Rasa Holdings Nebula Rasa
|
Posted - 2006.12.01 07:26:00 -
[189]
Isnt the implant issue settled. Your ability to provide for yourself and your team whether it be implants, ships, mods, whatever is just another barometer for how well you play the game. Only the best(wealthiest?) players can finance a competitive team. Only the best(knowledgable?) can outfit them. Only the best(skilled?) players can can make use them. The alliance tourney is about players(plural) working together. Perhaps you need to join a new outfit if you think you belong to one of the above and stop beating this dead horse.
Call the waambulance please! Enough about implants already.
|
Kaell Meynn
Divergence
|
Posted - 2006.12.01 09:37:00 -
[190]
Implants should only be allowed if podding is allowed.
|
|
Ithildin
Gallente The Corporation The Corporation Alliance
|
Posted - 2006.12.01 10:37:00 -
[191]
Edited by: Ithildin on 01/12/2006 10:38:48
Originally by: Shin Ra I am in the smallest alliance in the tournament.
Well.
Smallest and upwards: * Cult of War (6) * Stain Empire (10) * Otherworld Empire Productions (11) * Terra Incognita. (16) * Edge of Sanity (26)
* The Five (27) * Enemies of Carlott (30) * Coalition of Carebear Killers (35) * The Sani Sabik (43) * The Corporation Alliance (44)
* Exquisite Malevolence (46) * Nebula Rasa (53) * Muffins of Mayhem (57) * The Red Skull (81) * The Star Fraction (94)
* Fimbulwinter (105) * Exuro Mortis (112) * Insurgency (131) * Euphoria Unleashed (220) * Sani Khal'Venca (234)
* Serenus Letum (247) * Mercenary Coalition (265) * The RONIN (266) * Anarchy Empire (417) * Kith of Venal (419)
* Destiny (420) * SMASH Alliance (726) * Prime Orbital Systems (820) * Against All Authorities (855) * Razor Alliance (867)
* Veritas Imortalis (951) * Morsus Mihi (956) * Firmus Ixiom (1115) * Xelas Alliance (1314) * Axiom Empire (1466)
* Interstellar Alchohol Conglomerate (1525) * Band of Brothers (1717) * Dusk and Dawn (2022) * Lotka Voltera (3030) * Ascendant Frontier (4194)
- EVE is sick. |
|
Chribba
Otherworld Enterprises Otherworld Empire
|
Posted - 2006.12.01 10:57:00 -
[192]
Originally by: Shin Ra I am in the smallest alliance in the tournament.
EVE-Files | EVE-Search | Monitor this Thread |
|
Silvitni
Euphoria Released Euphoria Unleashed
|
Posted - 2006.12.01 11:00:00 -
[193]
Originally by: Shin Ra
.........
Your alliances have hundreds of people in them, ER owns two stations, TSDS has miners out the nose. You should be able to afford them.
.......
Actually, i¦ve spent E-R¦s isk on Blue pills, Frentix and Exotic Dancers....
|
Christopher Multsanti
Euphoria Released Euphoria Unleashed
|
Posted - 2006.12.01 11:08:00 -
[194]
Originally by: Shin Ra
Originally by: Lunas Feelgood
Originally by: maGz Edited by: maGz on 30/11/2006 21:15:17 WTS backbone
Oh and that thing about the top 16-alliance voting on pirate implants - nice way to kick all the smaller alliances, not able to buy pirate implants for their team, in ze *******...
I've said it before and I'll say it again: Get someone else to handle these tournaments!
I coulnt agree more.. All the big alliance can prop afford faction BS and get all there pilots with high grade faction implants..
However all the small alliance like E-U or other small ones dont got a chance in hell to get there pilots that..
So before the tournament starts all the small alliance is allrdy in a major disadvantage..
And offcourse Lemonde all the last 16 alliance in the last tournament gonna vote yes for faction implntas, since its all those alliance that can afford it...
I am in the smallest alliance in the tournament.
I can afford high-grade sets of every implant set. I am choosing not to use them as I don't think its worth the isk.
Your alliances have hundreds of people in them, ER owns two stations, TSDS has miners out the nose. You should be able to afford them.
I'm sure both of you guys are smart enough to know the reasons why CCP have them in the tournament. Also, when the votes was cast, nobody else had signed up. Had we signed up then the rules were changed to a 5v5 capital fight, it would have sucked. Well - ok thats not gonna happen, but you get my point.
EQUAL not fair.
Hauld yer whist!
[ER Public Relations Officer] [Is main activated, check, Post!] |
Shin Ra
BURN EDEN Terra Incognita.
|
Posted - 2006.12.01 11:11:00 -
[195]
Edited by: Shin Ra on 01/12/2006 11:11:21
Originally by: Ithildin SHIN RA YOU LIAR
I EN ROSA HELIKOPTER SKA JAG FLYGA HEM TILL DEJ
FYI: Rosa Helikopter is now the official anthem of the tournament.
|
Wladomir Jed
Contraband Inc. Mercenary Coalition
|
Posted - 2006.12.01 11:16:00 -
[196]
Originally by: Shin Ra Edited by: Shin Ra on 01/12/2006 11:11:21
Originally by: Ithildin SHIN RA YOU LIAR
I EN ROSA HELIKOPTER SKA JAG FLYGA HEM TILL DEJ
FYI: Rosa Helikopter is now the official anthem of the tournament.
Med gr÷na elefanter ps?
|
Seleene
Body Count Inc. Mercenary Coalition
|
Posted - 2006.12.01 11:17:00 -
[197]
Originally by: Shin Ra
Originally by: Ithildin SHIN RA YOU LIAR
I EN ROSA HELIKOPTER SKA JAG FLYGA HEM TILL DEJ
FYI: Rosa Helikopter is now the official anthem of the tournament.
If I spam Suga Babes or Vanilla Ice in local, will you self-destruct? -
Oz's Tourney Betting Pool |
Ithildin
Gallente The Corporation The Corporation Alliance
|
Posted - 2006.12.01 11:41:00 -
[198]
Originally by: Shin Ra Edited by: Shin Ra on 01/12/2006 11:11:21
Originally by: Ithildin SHIN RA YOU LIAR
I EN ROSA HELIKOPTER SKA JAG FLYGA HEM TILL DEJ
FYI: Rosa Helikopter is now the official anthem of the tournament.
I feel violated. Now I got to go cry in the shower - EVE is sick. |
NoWeR
Caldari Sharks With Frickin' Laser Beams Mercenary Coalition
|
Posted - 2006.12.01 14:10:00 -
[199]
Originally by: Ithildin
I feel violated. Now I got to go cry in the shower
Could u please edit this, i dont think its even remotly funny.
|
NoNamium
|
Posted - 2006.12.01 15:19:00 -
[200]
I need credits for watching Eve-tv... WTF?!?
|
|
Epsilon 1
S.A.S
|
Posted - 2006.12.01 15:20:00 -
[201]
TC 4tw.
Originally by: Wrangler Stop with the all caps topics or I will steal your caps keys and lock you in a room with britney spears music on loud 24/7 for a year.
|
Lunas Feelgood
Euphoria Released
|
Posted - 2006.12.01 15:43:00 -
[202]
CELEST 4TW
|
Winterblink
Body Count Inc. Mercenary Coalition
|
Posted - 2006.12.01 15:46:00 -
[203]
Is there a results page anywhere?
|
Nifel
Caldari Reikoku Band of Brothers
|
Posted - 2006.12.01 20:04:00 -
[204]
Originally by: Winterblink Is there a results page anywhere?
http://oldforums.eveonline.com/?a=topic&threadID=435349
"When I die I want to die peacefully in my sleep like my grandpa. Not yelling and screaming like the passengers in his car." RKK Ranking: (MIN14) Sama |
Roxanna Kell
BURN EDEN
|
Posted - 2006.12.01 20:30:00 -
[205]
Edited by: Roxanna Kell on 01/12/2006 20:30:41
Originally by: Seleene
Originally by: Shin Ra
Originally by: Ithildin SHIN RA YOU LIAR
I EN ROSA HELIKOPTER SKA JAG FLYGA HEM TILL DEJ
FYI: Rosa Helikopter is now the official anthem of the tournament.
If I spam Suga Babes or Vanilla Ice in local, will you self-destruct?
Hello seleene,how would you like to be part of my new band, the back street avenue boys.
Quote: "Don't touch the RED butt |
Cuisinart
Celestial Apocalypse Insurgency
|
Posted - 2006.12.01 21:13:00 -
[206]
All of the OPS links give me nothing but advertisements regardles of wether I wait or click on the proceed link, they just keep cycling between the eve advertising network and the eve tv ad.
|
DoctorGonzo
Black Nova Corp Band of Brothers
|
Posted - 2006.12.01 23:55:00 -
[207]
Link to first round results please?
Originally by: Blacklight I think Madeye and CRYVOK have delusions of adequacy!
|
|
LeMonde
|
Posted - 2006.12.02 00:52:00 -
[208]
We're working on getting the page updated from last time, but the servers are having some problems. Hopefully the page will be up before we go live tomorrow.
|
|
Ithildin
Gallente The Corporation The Corporation Alliance
|
Posted - 2006.12.02 11:46:00 -
[209]
Originally by: NoWeR
Originally by: Ithildin
I feel violated. Now I got to go cry in the shower
Could u please edit this, i dont think its even remotly funny.
While it is certainly not necessary for you to understand it, it seems you are oddly offended by it so I'll explain it.
Peaches is a Swedish girl-group with the lead singer at around 8 to 10 years old when they recorded "Rosa Helikopter" (if you go to an online radio site such as last.fm you should be able to sample the song), which for some odd reason actually got into the Swedish hit-lists during an agonizing period of time. The song is thoroughly poor quality with all the hallmarks of mass produced pop music, complete with electronic voice modulation and silly-cute lyrics that hint a bit too much towards mature subjects such as sex to be sung by what can only be called young children. For those of us with either a bit more sophisticated music taste or (in my case) darker and less pop-music inspired music taste, "Rosa Helikopter" is an agonizing song to listen to.
Shin Ra know this, and he know that most Swedish people either reacts to the song with strong aversion or a sadistic appreciation (spawned only because of those who react with aversion) towards the song. Shin Ra know that I'm one of those who react with a strong aversion to the song, and he likes to poke fun at me and any other Swedes by mentioning this particular song. Which is fine and in a way rather fun. As long as no one actually play the song, that is.
Now is the joke clear to you, NoWeR, or do you still think it offensive?
LeMonde, please accept my apology for this off topic clarification. - EVE is sick. |
Lowa
Gallente North Star Networks
|
Posted - 2006.12.02 15:05:00 -
[210]
Seriously, how can bumping someone of the arena be a viable and allowed tactic? That alone should be enough to cancel the whole thing imho.
Afaik you are suposed to win by destroying your opponent via use of fire power right? Thats kinda the whole idea isnt it? This is supposed to show the best of EVE pvp and last time I tried I sure didnt get a free kill when bumping someone of a gate in Jita...
This is so frikkin stupid its beyond anything I've ever seen in an EVE event. B011ocks!
/Lowa
What if the truth was something else? |
|
Vardemis
Confederation of Red Moon Ascendant Frontier
|
Posted - 2006.12.02 18:48:00 -
[211]
Originally by: Lowa Seriously, how can bumping someone of the arena be a viable and allowed tactic? That alone should be enough to cancel the whole thing imho.
Afaik you are suposed to win by destroying your opponent via use of fire power right? Thats kinda the whole idea isnt it? This is supposed to show the best of EVE pvp and last time I tried I sure didnt get a free kill when bumping someone of a gate in Jita...
This is so frikkin stupid its beyond anything I've ever seen in an EVE event. B011ocks!
/Lowa
I completly agree.
|
Lowa
Gallente North Star Networks
|
Posted - 2006.12.02 20:55:00 -
[212]
A bit more happy now, seems like most ppl still shows up with mostly firepower (and Nos) so the action has picked up. \o/
Still a stupid rule and it also makes for some wierd endings.
/Lowa
What if the truth was something else? |
Tyrrax Thorrk
Amarr Umbra Congregatio Interstellar Alcohol Conglomerate
|
Posted - 2006.12.02 22:24:00 -
[213]
Edited by: Tyrrax Thorrk on 02/12/2006 22:24:13
Did you see my whinethread about it ?
http://oldforums.eveonline.com/?a=topic&threadID=435432
|
|
LeMonde
|
Posted - 2006.12.03 01:23:00 -
[214]
Schedule Standings
|
|
Kathar Narka
Minmatar Destructive Influence Band of Brothers
|
Posted - 2006.12.03 03:22:00 -
[215]
Edited by: Kathar Narka on 03/12/2006 03:23:55
Originally by: LeMonde Schedule Standings
w00t, thx.
However, I may be misunderstanding something...but I think the standings and schedule may be mistaken.
GROUP H has 2 extra alliances that already are in other groups:
Band of Brothers (From G) Ascendant Frontier (From D)
As a result, BoB & ASCN ended up being mis-scheduled as well? Again, perhaps I'm missing a change.
________________ |
QwaarJet
Gallente Rage of Angels Morsus Mihi
|
Posted - 2006.12.03 04:17:00 -
[216]
You also have E-R with 3 points, even though they lost their match against Anarchy Empire.
"Hobbes, she stepped into the Perimeter Of Wisdom.Run!" |
ookke
|
Posted - 2006.12.03 12:32:00 -
[217]
and COW beat RIOT, not the other way around like the standings claim.
|
NoWeR
Caldari Sharks With Frickin' Laser Beams Mercenary Coalition
|
Posted - 2006.12.03 13:29:00 -
[218]
Edited by: NoWeR on 03/12/2006 13:38:35
Originally by: Ithildin
Originally by: NoWeR
Originally by: Ithildin
I feel violated. Now I got to go cry in the shower
Could u please edit this, i dont think its even remotly funny.
While it is certainly not necessary for you to understand it, it seems you are oddly offended by it so I'll explain it.
Peaches is a Swedish girl-group with the lead singer at around 8 to 10 years old when they recorded "Rosa Helikopter" (if you go to an online radio site such as last.fm you should be able to sample the song), which for some odd reason actually got into the Swedish hit-lists during an agonizing period of time. The song is thoroughly poor quality with all the hallmarks of mass produced pop music, complete with electronic voice modulation and silly-cute lyrics that hint a bit too much towards mature subjects such as sex to be sung by what can only be called young children. For those of us with either a bit more sophisticated music taste or (in my case) darker and less pop-music inspired music taste, "Rosa Helikopter" is an agonizing song to listen to.
Shin Ra know this, and he know that most Swedish people either reacts to the song with strong aversion or a sadistic appreciation (spawned only because of those who react with aversion) towards the song. Shin Ra know that I'm one of those who react with a strong aversion to the song, and he likes to poke fun at me and any other Swedes by mentioning this particular song. Which is fine and in a way rather fun. As long as no one actually play the song, that is.
Now is the joke clear to you, NoWeR, or do you still think it offensive?
LeMonde, please accept my apology for this off topic clarification.
Yes it is, i dont care about your music or ur jokes, as a psicologist in an hospital for some time i had to treat with a lot of gilds that had been violated, and in fact most of them go cry to the shower and harm herselfs while trying to "clean", so it woulndt be even remotly funny for u if u had saw what i saw. But u dont need to understand it, jokes are more important, right.
Do you think its still so funny for me?
Edit. Nah dont answer me, dont need it,theres nothing u can say that changes my opinion about it, and its worthless arguing in the forums.
|
Lunas Feelgood
Euphoria Released
|
Posted - 2006.12.03 13:56:00 -
[219]
Originally by: QwaarJet You also have E-R with 3 points, even though they lost their match against Anarchy Empire.
E-U dont mind
|
QwaarJet
Gallente Rage of Angels Morsus Mihi
|
Posted - 2006.12.03 14:15:00 -
[220]
Heh, agreed.
"Hobbes, she stepped into the Perimeter Of Wisdom.Run!" |
|
TWD
TAOSP Band of Brothers
|
Posted - 2006.12.03 15:53:00 -
[221]
Edited by: TWD on 03/12/2006 15:53:37 For next weekend, can all ships be scrambled to avoid warp outs due to CTDs or accidental "misclicks"? |
ookke
|
Posted - 2006.12.03 15:56:00 -
[222]
Originally by: TWD Edited by: TWD on 03/12/2006 15:53:37 For next weekend, can all ships be scrambled to avoid warp outs due to CTDs or accidental "misclicks"?
A giant mobile warp disruptor would be awesome, make it quite easy to see the arena edge too.
|
dalman
Finite Horizon
|
Posted - 2006.12.03 21:37:00 -
[223]
Edited by: dalman on 03/12/2006 21:46:54 Rule clarification needed:
Quote: If two teams are equal in points, the following ranking system will be used: Kill/loss difference Result of match between the two involved alliances. The greatest number of kills.
Group F, with a not unrealistic scenario: IAC beat Xelas Terra Incognita beat Xelas The Red Skull beat MC The Red Skull beat Terra Incognita
result: TRS, IAC and TI will all have 3 wins and 1 loss.
I want the exact rules on how this would be decided cleared up.
"Kill/loss difference" - come on, this needs to be cleared up. First off, some teams field 5 ships, some 4 or 3. Second, we have a match in our group that IAC "won" vs TI - but TI was declared winner cause IAC broke the rules. Now how the heck do you count the kill-loss ratio from that?
*edit* And how about... FIX THE ****ING SECURITY HITS! I lost 0.8 sec status and 2 ppl got kill-rights(!) on me from last fight.
Am I forced to have any regret? I've become the lie, beautiful and free In my righteous own mind I adore and preach the insanity you gave to me |
Lunas Feelgood
Euphoria Released
|
Posted - 2006.12.03 21:43:00 -
[224]
Originally by: TWD Edited by: TWD on 03/12/2006 15:53:37 For next weekend, can all ships be scrambled to avoid warp outs due to CTDs or accidental "misclicks"?
I like this idea,, Also i would really wish that the sys we fighting in could get some more power its very laggy in there with all the drone ships
|
Johnatan
VVS Corporition Against ALL Authorities
|
Posted - 2006.12.04 11:32:00 -
[225]
If i¦m not mistaken - there is no prizes on this tournament, no? ))))))))
And yes, put Giant Warp Disruptor probe in arena, plz. :))) ---- start cut here ---- Evil Thug`s alt. ----- end cut here ----- |
|
LeMonde
|
Posted - 2006.12.04 17:36:00 -
[226]
Originally by: dalman Edited by: dalman on 03/12/2006 21:46:54 Rule clarification needed:
Quote: If two teams are equal in points, the following ranking system will be used: Kill/loss difference Result of match between the two involved alliances. The greatest number of kills.
Group F, with a not unrealistic scenario: IAC beat Xelas Terra Incognita beat Xelas The Red Skull beat MC The Red Skull beat Terra Incognita
result: TRS, IAC and TI will all have 3 wins and 1 loss.
I want the exact rules on how this would be decided cleared up.
"Kill/loss difference" - come on, this needs to be cleared up. First off, some teams field 5 ships, some 4 or 3. Second, we have a match in our group that IAC "won" vs TI - but TI was declared winner cause IAC broke the rules. Now how the heck do you count the kill-loss ratio from that?
*edit* And how about... FIX THE ****ING SECURITY HITS! I lost 0.8 sec status and 2 ppl got kill-rights(!) on me from last fight.
The kill/loss difference works like this:
Alliance A and Alliance B both have 6 points in their bracket, one of them will get second place and the other third.
Alliance A has lost 30 points worth of ships and killed 90 points worth of ships, this gives them a score of 60.
Alliance B has lost 20 points worth of ships and killed 90 points worth of ships, this gives them a score of 70.
Alliance B goes through.
|
|
dalman
Finite Horizon
|
Posted - 2006.12.04 18:17:00 -
[227]
Right, fair enough (and bad for us).
Still a bit unclear though...
When not all ship points are used, they're counting as lost/killed, right? So our match vs IAC, we only used 25 points. But it still counts as us losing 30 and IAC killing 30?
And what is the points killed/lost from IAC vs Terra I? If IAC was disqualified in this match... Then this counts as a 30-0 win for Terra I?
Am I forced to have any regret? I've become the lie, beautiful and free In my righteous own mind I adore and preach the insanity you gave to me |
|
LeMonde
|
Posted - 2006.12.04 18:36:00 -
[228]
Originally by: dalman Right, fair enough (and bad for us).
Still a bit unclear though...
When not all ship points are used, they're counting as lost/killed, right? So our match vs IAC, we only used 25 points. But it still counts as us losing 30 and IAC killing 30?
And what is the points killed/lost from IAC vs Terra I? If IAC was disqualified in this match... Then this counts as a 30-0 win for Terra I?
The number 30 is just pulled out of thin air, the max number of killed/lost pts for each match is 28.
Unused points count against you as losses and for your enemy as kill points.
I don't have the exact stats for the IAC/Terra fight with me, the commentators have the numbers and we will go through them/verify with recorded footage if we need to.
|
|
Shin Ra
BURN EDEN Terra Incognita.
|
Posted - 2006.12.04 19:43:00 -
[229]
Originally by: LeMonde
Originally by: dalman Right, fair enough (and bad for us).
Still a bit unclear though...
When not all ship points are used, they're counting as lost/killed, right? So our match vs IAC, we only used 25 points. But it still counts as us losing 30 and IAC killing 30?
And what is the points killed/lost from IAC vs Terra I? If IAC was disqualified in this match... Then this counts as a 30-0 win for Terra I?
The number 30 is just pulled out of thin air, the max number of killed/lost pts for each match is 28.
Unused points count against you as losses and for your enemy as kill points.
I don't have the exact stats for the IAC/Terra fight with me, the commentators have the numbers and we will go through them/verify with recorded footage if we need to.
This is an all or nothing decision. You can't count this as a win for us, but still afford us the loss points.
It doesn't make any difference whether or not IAC would have won when it comes down to calculating points.
There is no feesible option other than to count it as a 28-0 victory for us.
|
ShadowlordUK
|
Posted - 2006.12.04 21:06:00 -
[230]
Edited by: ShadowlordUK on 04/12/2006 21:07:37
Originally by: dalman This is an all or nothing decision. You can't count this as a win for us, but still afford us the loss points.
It doesn't make any difference whether or not IAC would have won when it comes down to calculating points.
There is no feesible option other than to count it as a 28-0 victory for us.
Lol, well actually there is one other 'feesible option' they could just give you the kill/loss points that you deserve
There are lots of teams that have wins but lost ships in the process...
|
|
Tyrrax Thorrk
Amarr Umbra Congregatio Interstellar Alcohol Conglomerate
|
Posted - 2006.12.04 22:15:00 -
[231]
Edited by: Tyrrax Thorrk on 04/12/2006 22:19:21
Originally by: Shin Ra
Originally by: LeMonde
Originally by: dalman Right, fair enough (and bad for us).
Still a bit unclear though...
When not all ship points are used, they're counting as lost/killed, right? So our match vs IAC, we only used 25 points. But it still counts as us losing 30 and IAC killing 30?
And what is the points killed/lost from IAC vs Terra I? If IAC was disqualified in this match... Then this counts as a 30-0 win for Terra I?
The number 30 is just pulled out of thin air, the max number of killed/lost pts for each match is 28.
Unused points count against you as losses and for your enemy as kill points.
I don't have the exact stats for the IAC/Terra fight with me, the commentators have the numbers and we will go through them/verify with recorded footage if we need to.
This is an all or nothing decision. You can't count this as a win for us, but still afford us the loss points.
It doesn't make any difference whether or not IAC would have won when it comes down to calculating points.
There is no feesible option other than to count it as a 28-0 victory for us.
BS, you didn't kill 28 points, you killed 9, and frankly I don't see why you care since you're number 1 in the bracket anyway
Only "feasible" option is to give IAC 12 points, and BE 9.
I don't see anywhere in the rules saying "unless the verdict is overturned in which case lawyers get bonus points"
|
Shin Ra
BURN EDEN Terra Incognita.
|
Posted - 2006.12.04 23:30:00 -
[232]
Originally by: Tyrrax Thorrk Edited by: Tyrrax Thorrk on 04/12/2006 22:19:21
Originally by: Shin Ra
Originally by: LeMonde
Originally by: dalman Right, fair enough (and bad for us).
Still a bit unclear though...
When not all ship points are used, they're counting as lost/killed, right? So our match vs IAC, we only used 25 points. But it still counts as us losing 30 and IAC killing 30?
And what is the points killed/lost from IAC vs Terra I? If IAC was disqualified in this match... Then this counts as a 30-0 win for Terra I?
The number 30 is just pulled out of thin air, the max number of killed/lost pts for each match is 28.
Unused points count against you as losses and for your enemy as kill points.
I don't have the exact stats for the IAC/Terra fight with me, the commentators have the numbers and we will go through them/verify with recorded footage if we need to.
This is an all or nothing decision. You can't count this as a win for us, but still afford us the loss points.
It doesn't make any difference whether or not IAC would have won when it comes down to calculating points.
There is no feesible option other than to count it as a 28-0 victory for us.
BS, you didn't kill 28 points, you killed 9, and frankly I don't see why you care since you're number 1 in the bracket anyway
Only "feasible" option is to give IAC 12 points, and BE 9.
I don't see anywhere in the rules saying "unless the verdict is overturned in which case lawyers get bonus points"
That is not the point I'm making.
When looking at a rule infraction there are no rules to guide how something like that works. In our case it would be very easy to say "keep the same points as it wouldn't have made any difference". However, if (IF) the rule thing did make a difference to the outcome, then you can't take the actual outcome as basis for calculating points - that would not be fair. I'm sure you agree with me so far.
So what it comes down to is LeMonde deciding whether or not the rule infraction constitutes an outright win, or a win on some sort of scale. Defining excatly how much the rule infraction counts for is impossible to fairly decide. You will always have both sides arguing their case. No judicial system was implemented governing this tournament, no appeals process detailed so right now it is not a flexible system - You can win, draw, loose. If you break the rules, you loose. There is no IF/BUT/WHY about it. Awarding us the victory is enough precident for us to argue for recieveing the full 28 point victory. Furthermore, we did not "win" as such, but you were disqualified. A dq counts as a loss for you, and thus a win for us. All the opposing side can argue is "they didn't kill this much" and "it wouldn't have made a difference". Neither matters because of the reasons mentioned above.
|
dalman
Finite Horizon
|
Posted - 2006.12.04 23:53:00 -
[233]
This needs to be sorted now, because it is of utmost relevance to our 3 teams. Which is quite obvious by Shin Ra and Tyrrax' responces after realising the situation.
For me, I have a very difficult task regardless of the decission to put our team through. But the task do change by the decission.
Judge the IAC vs TI match as:
Win for TI, but 12-9 score for IAC, and the result is: IAC gets positive difference for their one loss and are for sure through if they beat Xelas. - And it's a run between TRS and TI who gets best ratio to follow IAC through.
Win for TI, but 0-28 score, and the result is: If TRS beat TI, they're sure for through anyway if they beat Xelas. - And it's a run between TRS and IAC who gets best ratio to follow TI through.
Don't get me wrong. I fully understand the difficulty for our team to win against TI and MC, and that perhaps Xelas could upset someone. But we can't sit here on saturday night and say "****, it happened - now it's all down to Lemonde to decide which teams go through". Our teams need to know the decision already as it influences the choices of line-ups ppl will want to use.
ps, of course I meant 28 points above. You picking 30 instead of 28 just set me up, hehe
Oh, and thanks to the guy putting my name on Shin Ra's quote above. Am I forced to have any regret? I've become the lie, beautiful and free In my righteous own mind I adore and preach the insanity you gave to me |
Tyrrax Thorrk
Amarr Umbra Congregatio Interstellar Alcohol Conglomerate
|
Posted - 2006.12.05 00:02:00 -
[234]
We didn't get disqualified or we wouldn't still be in the Tournament, a single fight's result was overturned.
Frankly it would be idiotic and unfair to TRS and MC if BE got 28 points without earning them. BE should never get more than 9 points, regardless of whether IAC gets the 12 points the rules say we should.
|
dalman
Finite Horizon
|
Posted - 2006.12.05 00:21:00 -
[235]
Originally by: Tyrrax Thorrk BE should never get more than 9 points, regardless of whether IAC gets the 12 points the rules say we should.
lol! Suggesting a 9-0 win for Burn Eden? To make it all out with Shin with lots of kisses and hugging? As even a 9-0 defeat puts you in the driving seat since you beat our "no-show-team" with such a margin... ... and also means BE are quite safe as we'd have to give them a royal spanking to leap-frog them in the table?
Way to go. So sublime, yet so obvious.
Am I forced to have any regret? I've become the lie, beautiful and free In my righteous own mind I adore and preach the insanity you gave to me |
Tyrrax Thorrk
Amarr Umbra Congregatio Interstellar Alcohol Conglomerate
|
Posted - 2006.12.05 00:41:00 -
[236]
No I'm just saying it would be incredibly dumb to give them 28 points.
Personally I interpret the rules as giving us 12 points and them 9 points but them getting the "win" which is far more important than the points.
|
|
LeMonde
|
Posted - 2006.12.05 01:48:00 -
[237]
The rules infraction means a complete loss for IAC, and a 28 point win for Terra Incognita.
The fight should have been stopped the second the container was dropped, and thus the rest of the fight would have been/was irrelevant.
|
|
Tyrrax Thorrk
Amarr Umbra Congregatio Interstellar Alcohol Conglomerate
|
Posted - 2006.12.05 01:59:00 -
[238]
.,|,,
worst call ever
|
Raem Civrie
Umbra Congregatio Interstellar Alcohol Conglomerate
|
Posted - 2006.12.05 02:06:00 -
[239]
Originally by: LeMonde The rules infraction means a complete loss for IAC, and a 28 point win for Terra Incognita.
The fight should have been stopped the second the container was dropped, and thus the rest of the fight would have been/was irrelevant.
The fight didn't change at all after the can was dropped and scooped almost immediately. As regrettable as the rule infraction is, this ruling is bull****. It doesn't benefit anyone, except for Shin Ra's apparent vindictive nature.
----
Where's my soup? |
SATAN
BURN EDEN
|
Posted - 2006.12.05 03:52:00 -
[240]
Edited by: SATAN on 05/12/2006 03:53:12
Originally by: Tyrrax Thorrk .,|,,
worst call ever
I dont understand why you see it that way.
If say an F1 team wins a race and is awarded the 9 points for the victory towards the season championship, second place gets 6 and so on.
At the tech inspection after the race they are cought using an illegal item or the car is under weight. They are then stripped of the victory and the points awarded towards the championship. The second place team is then awarded the full 9 points for victory, and third place is given 6 points, etc, etc... it is like that in every competative arena.
Awarding the team that cheated/broke the rules by giving them the full 9 points would be wrong and not fair to every other team, not just the team that came in second.
Besides all that I dont see why you guys would be upset, you are in very good position to move on if you defeat Xeles or not. Either way you will be in either 1st or 2nd slot depending the rest of the brackets fights.
|
|
Shin Ra
BURN EDEN Terra Incognita.
|
Posted - 2006.12.05 06:27:00 -
[241]
Originally by: Raem Civrie
Originally by: LeMonde The rules infraction means a complete loss for IAC, and a 28 point win for Terra Incognita.
The fight should have been stopped the second the container was dropped, and thus the rest of the fight would have been/was irrelevant.
The fight didn't change at all after the can was dropped and scooped almost immediately. As regrettable as the rule infraction is, this ruling is bull****. It doesn't benefit anyone, except for Shin Ra's apparent vindictive nature.
You said the fight didn't change after the can was dropped. This is probably true, we are not denying it. However, you cannot be 100% sure of this fact. This doubt is why you cannot effectively argue your point.
|
Seleene
Body Count Inc. Mercenary Coalition
|
Posted - 2006.12.05 09:27:00 -
[242]
Originally by: Shin Ra
Originally by: Raem Civrie
Originally by: LeMonde The rules infraction means a complete loss for IAC, and a 28 point win for Terra Incognita.
The fight should have been stopped the second the container was dropped, and thus the rest of the fight would have been/was irrelevant.
The fight didn't change at all after the can was dropped and scooped almost immediately. As regrettable as the rule infraction is, this ruling is bull****. It doesn't benefit anyone, except for Shin Ra's apparent vindictive nature.
You said the fight didn't change after the can was dropped. This is probably true, we are not denying it. However, you cannot be 100% sure of this fact. This doubt is why you cannot effectively argue your point.
Shin, all 'rules' aside, do you really think you won that match and deserve all the points? I know it won't change anything, I'm just curious. -
Oz's Tourney Betting Pool |
Lazydog
Band of Builders Inc. Firmus Ixion
|
Posted - 2006.12.05 09:55:00 -
[243]
any chance that the ship kill/loss points ratios can be added to the standings tables before this coming weekends fighting?
Looking at the groups standings atm there is quite a few alliances where knowing this could be quite important, trolling through the forums trying to find this info out is a nightmare, and not guarenteed to be 100% accurate. Theres going to be a lot of, "if we win and they lose or they kill XX points and they lose by XX points" factors involved, stratages will be required IMO.
just a thought.
Ixion Unleashed Army Fleet Commander "Leeroy" Manoeuvres Division
|
Shin Ra
BURN EDEN Terra Incognita.
|
Posted - 2006.12.05 12:55:00 -
[244]
Originally by: Seleene
Originally by: Shin Ra
Originally by: Raem Civrie
Originally by: LeMonde The rules infraction means a complete loss for IAC, and a 28 point win for Terra Incognita.
The fight should have been stopped the second the container was dropped, and thus the rest of the fight would have been/was irrelevant.
The fight didn't change at all after the can was dropped and scooped almost immediately. As regrettable as the rule infraction is, this ruling is bull****. It doesn't benefit anyone, except for Shin Ra's apparent vindictive nature.
You said the fight didn't change after the can was dropped. This is probably true, we are not denying it. However, you cannot be 100% sure of this fact. This doubt is why you cannot effectively argue your point.
Shin, all 'rules' aside, do you really think you won that match and deserve all the points? I know it won't change anything, I'm just curious.
I personally do not think we really won that match. I don't think we deserve all the points.
But what LeMonde did was the only feesible option for him. If IAC had fitted faction equipment on, for example, you could quite easily relate us loosing to that fact. But, droping a standard can - very difficult to relate. But so long as there are 0.000001% of doubt, you cannot do anything but award us full points. I'm not saying its fair to IAC, it probably isn't, but a rule is a rule is a rule. You cannot cross the line 1 bit otherwise your whole team gets dq'ed - as SATAN point out with the F1 example.
Its easy to argue the case either way, but IAC's argument is simply - we wouldn't have killed them anyway. If we had fitted all officer mods and you still beat us, would that make it ok? No. The rules are quite clear, IAC admitted they messed up with that, they should be punished. There is no debate here and the call has already been made. Either its against the rules, team gets DQ'ed and looses all their points or its not against the rules and nothing new happens.
You cannot make an effective counter argument to this.
|
Seleene
Body Count Inc. Mercenary Coalition
|
Posted - 2006.12.05 14:12:00 -
[245]
^^
Excellent reply. Dude, seriously, you need to stop doing this or no one will hate you anymore. -
Oz's Tourney Betting Pool |
Tyrrax Thorrk
Amarr Umbra Congregatio Interstellar Alcohol Conglomerate
|
Posted - 2006.12.05 21:43:00 -
[246]
Edited by: Tyrrax Thorrk on 05/12/2006 21:48:15
*golf claps for lawyers*
I don't really think what Raem said has any impact on this at all, I just think it's stupid that our messing up gives you points you didn't earn, total crap to give you more than 9 points.
Doesn't really have any effect on IAC, worst for TRS who now have approximately zero chance of advancing even if they walk all over MC and Burn Eden.
|
dalman
Finite Horizon
|
Posted - 2006.12.05 23:21:00 -
[247]
Edited by: dalman on 05/12/2006 23:30:35 Yea, heh. I didn't do any table before I brought this up, just knew there was a situation. And indeed IAC is still basicly through already unless Xelas beat them, even with that judged as a 28-0 loss. So that desicion was indeed a very good one for Burn Eden and bad for us.
Still feels alot better to know the task at hand now... ...compared to a situation where we would have managed to beat BE and MC and started on our match vs beer - only for LeMonde to then announce "sorry guys, but you're still out on killpoins cause BE gets 28-0 vs IAC". Cause that would seriously feel something like if he had gone "whooop dee doo, /heal impoc 0, your team dropped a can".
Am I forced to have any regret? I've become the lie, beautiful and free In my righteous own mind I adore and preach the insanity you gave to me |
Seleene
Body Count Inc. Mercenary Coalition
|
Posted - 2006.12.06 07:43:00 -
[248]
Originally by: dalman Cause that would seriously feel something like if he had gone "whooop dee doo, /heal impoc 0, your team dropped a can".
IMO, the whole /heal 0 thing should be changed to maybe just TP the offending ship out of the area. Because, honestly, if the Impoc had gotten /heal 0'd how in the hell would you write that up for the game fiction? Not to mention how pathetically lame it would have been. -
Oz's Tourney Betting Pool |
Ithildin
Gallente The Corporation The Corporation Alliance
|
Posted - 2006.12.06 19:57:00 -
[249]
Originally by: Seleene
Originally by: dalman Cause that would seriously feel something like if he had gone "whooop dee doo, /heal impoc 0, your team dropped a can".
IMO, the whole /heal 0 thing should be changed to maybe just TP the offending ship out of the area. Because, honestly, if the Impoc had gotten /heal 0'd how in the hell would you write that up for the game fiction? Not to mention how pathetically lame it would have been.
/heal 0 is there to prevent people from saving ship rather than fighting to the end, nothing else.
That said, there should be more warning. A special (what is it?) 20-minute and 60km radius warp disrupt probe would be perfect (and also prevent people from accidentally warping). - EVE is sick. |
El Yatta
Mercenary Forces Exquisite Malevolance
|
Posted - 2006.12.06 22:49:00 -
[250]
Theres no reason not to RP it though,and just have 3-4 ISD, who are there anyway, in Wyverns ready to BBQ someone who goes out of range.
---||---
|
|
Smagd
Encina Technologies Namtz'aar k'in
|
Posted - 2006.12.07 09:31:00 -
[251]
I just reviewed a few of the second tourney matches, and at one point a CTD player asked be brought back into the arena, but the opposing team would have had to agree (and didn't).
That kind of implies a CTD not giving a ship destruction last tourney.
It wouldd sort of advocate Logoffski to save, say, a Caldari Navy Raven. I guess in spite of being unhappy about rubbing in the pain of unlucky power failures during a critical match, I prefer the new rules.
Of course I (or my alliance, really) is not in the tourney this time around *), so don't listen to me.
I'd still cry a little if that Impoc CTDed, but you don't bring ships to PvP you're not prepared to lose, right, never mind what the rest of the EvE Universe considers expendable.
*) I believe LeMonde refused to sign up an alliance he couldn't pronounce, hehe - ah, no really, we were one of the late entries. --
|
Tyrrax Thorrk
Amarr Umbra Congregatio Interstellar Alcohol Conglomerate
|
Posted - 2006.12.07 10:41:00 -
[252]
Originally by: Smagd I just reviewed a few of the second tourney matches, and at one point a CTD player asked be brought back into the arena, but the opposing team would have had to agree (and didn't).
That kind of implies a CTD not giving a ship destruction last tourney.
Only time that happened was in IAC's match with BoB, and was just cos it was in semi-finals that they chose to be a bit more flexible.
Every single CTD in the tournament resulted in ship destruction.
|
Heinky
Amarr BURN EDEN
|
Posted - 2006.12.07 20:42:00 -
[253]
Originally by: Seleene
Originally by: Shin Ra
Originally by: Raem Civrie
Originally by: LeMonde The rules infraction means a complete loss for IAC, and a 28 point win for Terra Incognita.
The fight should have been stopped the second the container was dropped, and thus the rest of the fight would have been/was irrelevant.
The fight didn't change at all after the can was dropped and scooped almost immediately. As regrettable as the rule infraction is, this ruling is bull****. It doesn't benefit anyone, except for Shin Ra's apparent vindictive nature.
You said the fight didn't change after the can was dropped. This is probably true, we are not denying it. However, you cannot be 100% sure of this fact. This doubt is why you cannot effectively argue your point.
Shin, all 'rules' aside, do you really think you won that match and deserve all the points? I know it won't change anything, I'm just curious.
What ever shin ra and his forum charm thinks, i know it did matter and we did deserve it 100%. Not going into details so i wont have to post to much.
|
JesseAWESOME
|
Posted - 2006.12.10 22:04:00 -
[254]
wats the irc channel for eve tv!!
|
|
Dogal
ISD AURORA Interstellar Services Department
|
Posted - 2006.12.15 14:57:00 -
[255]
Originally by: JesseAWESOME wats the irc channel for eve tv!!
You'll find it on the coldfront server and channel #evetv
:)
This thread no need sticky any longer, good fights everyone.
|
|
|
|
|
Pages: 1 2 3 4 5 6 7 8 9 :: [one page] |