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Reaver Glitterstim
Dromedaworks inc
Test Alliance Please Ignore
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Posted - 2015.01.23 15:42:41 -
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Rapid heavy missile launchers are fine or maybe a little overpowered. Heavy missiles are underpowered though. And if heavy missiles weren't underpowered, rapid heavy launchers would be totally overpowered. Because, well, rapid heavy and rapid light launchers are just overpowered.
CSM X: Sabriz Adoudel, Mike Azariah, Sugar Kyle, Corbexx
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Caleb Seremshur
The Atomic Fallout Kids
470
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Posted - 2015.01.24 01:09:29 -
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Reaver Glitterstim wrote:Rapid heavy missile launchers are fine or maybe a little overpowered. Heavy missiles are underpowered though. And if heavy missiles weren't underpowered, rapid heavy launchers would be totally overpowered. Because, well, rapid heavy and rapid light launchers are just overpowered.
Soooo delete rapid launchers and fix heavies properly? Does anyone use rhml? I haven't seen it.
Faction warfare pilot and solo/small gang PVP advocate
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scorchlikeshiswhiskey
Cirrius Technologies
O X I D E
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Posted - 2015.01.24 20:46:50 -
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"Gorski pointed out that the Drake is a joke compared to what it used to be. CCP Fozzie replied that of
course it was a joke compared to where it used to be, since it used to be incredibly dominant. He said
that the current meta is geared towards speed and that penalizes battlecurisers and battleship usage for
small gangs and solo, but that not every ship needs to be balanced into every prevailing meta." -CSM Winter Day 3 Minutes
Obviously there was probably a lot of discussion, and I might just be a little pessimistic, but I'm reading this as there are no plans for balance passes to address the Drake, which touches on HM's. I hope I'll be pleasantly surprised but at this point it definitely seems like CCP has little to know interest in the goings on of this thread. Thoughts? |
Tusker Crazinski
Delta vane Corp.
Mordus Angels
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Posted - 2015.01.25 02:35:54 -
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scorchlikeshiswhiskey wrote:. He said
that the current meta is geared towards speed and that penalizes battlecurisers and battleship usage for
small gangs and solo
lol wat? first of all for small gangs and solo speed has always been and will always be dominant. simply put a fast ship can dictate range, escape predators and catch prey.
secondly this game currently favors weapons that apply damage regardless of target speed and range. IE drones and LML / RLML.
and by speed do you mean Drone boats? they're not that fast matter in fact they're some of the slowest cruisers in the game. the issue is they out run anything that can out gun them (which is not much) and, and anything that can catch them they can apply perfect damage to out tank out nuet and generally face **** anything on grid.
BSes don't suck, CBCs suck because most of them got nerfed in to the ground. |
Tusker Crazinski
Delta vane Corp.
Mordus Angels
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Posted - 2015.01.25 02:38:44 -
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Caleb Seremshur wrote:So long as we don't return to the days of set-orbit and winmatar, then I couldn't give a damn about ACs.
I have never actually seen this work till the ASB on booster buffed ships. you never orbited with a ruppy, vaga, cane or sleip.... till now. |
Caleb Seremshur
The Atomic Fallout Kids
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Posted - 2015.01.25 02:39:55 -
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scorchlikeshiswhiskey wrote:"Gorski pointed out that the Drake is a joke compared to what it used to be. CCP Fozzie replied that of
course it was a joke compared to where it used to be, since it used to be incredibly dominant. He said
that the current meta is geared towards speed and that penalizes battlecurisers and battleship usage for
small gangs and solo, but that not every ship needs to be balanced into every prevailing meta." -CSM Winter Day 3 Minutes
Obviously there was probably a lot of discussion, and I might just be a little pessimistic, but I'm reading this as there are no plans for balance passes to address the Drake, which touches on HM's. I hope I'll be pleasantly surprised but at this point it definitely seems like CCP has little to know interest in the goings on of this thread. Thoughts?
As always it was never the heavy missile that was the problem but still ships are being balanced around the modules they use instead of the other way around. In 2 more years we might finally see this addressed.
As for BC and BS they have internally metricated that these ships shall have glass ceilings of performance in various places and ways. Take a look at battleships themselves will get about 110k tank without dipping in to faction gear. For the raven hulls you get 90k. It's almost as if fitting the way they're meant to be done is actively penalised and we're all meant to fly around fruity non-conformist fits that focus on speed or impressive artistic displays or something.
Case in point: polarised weapons. These are ridiculous but if you watch some of Rise's old livestreams this guy really deeply believes in risk/reward it's just a shame he came up with this ******** idea instead of something more useful. Polarised weapons are an answer to a question noone was asking.
And this lateral solution generation is probably being applied to other areas of the game as well like instead of making concise and predictable changes that everyone wanted they're doing tangential modifications to things noone cared about. Perhaps to get people to use them more (but secretly noone ever will because putting a ribbon on a turd doesn't fix the problem of it being a turd).
Faction warfare pilot and solo/small gang PVP advocate
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Suitonia
Genos Occidere
The Camel Empire
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Posted - 2015.01.25 13:45:03 -
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scorchlikeshiswhiskey wrote:"Gorski pointed out that the Drake is a joke compared to what it used to be. CCP Fozzie replied that of
course it was a joke compared to where it used to be, since it used to be incredibly dominant. He said
that the current meta is geared towards speed and that penalizes battlecurisers and battleship usage for
small gangs and solo, but that not every ship needs to be balanced into every prevailing meta." -CSM Winter Day 3 Minutes
Obviously there was probably a lot of discussion, and I might just be a little pessimistic, but I'm reading this as there are no plans for balance passes to address the Drake, which touches on HM's. I hope I'll be pleasantly surprised but at this point it definitely seems like CCP has little to know interest in the goings on of this thread. Thoughts?
The problem with the Drake is that the Raven exists and obsoletes it in almost every-way except for the price tag (a t2 fitted raven costs about 30 million isk more than t2 fit Drake after insurance) and slightly better Warp Speed, which are mostly off-grid advantages, on-grid. The Raven is faster than the Drake, with much higher damage output, better tank, not damage locked into only using Kinetic like the Drake is, the only disadvantage the Raven really has is the slower lock time, but you can get the lock speed of a Drake on the Raven with the Same tank of the Drake if that's what you're after by fitting sensor boosters, which still leaves you with a ship which is faster and higher non-kinetic locked damage.
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elitatwo
Eve Minions
Poopstain Removal Team
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Posted - 2015.01.25 15:42:11 -
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Tusker Crazinski wrote:scorchlikeshiswhiskey wrote:. He said
that the current meta is geared towards speed and that penalizes battlecurisers and battleship usage for
small gangs and solo #1: lol wat? first of all for small gangs and solo speed has always been and will always be dominant. simply put a fast ship can dictate range, escape predators and catch prey. #2: secondly this game currently favors weapons that apply damage regardless of target speed and range. IE drones and LML / RLML. and by speed do you mean Drone boats? they're not that fast matter in fact they're some of the slowest cruisers in the game. the issue is they out run anything that can out gun them (which is not much) and, and anything that can catch them they can apply perfect damage to out tank out nuet and generally face **** anything on grid. 3#: BSes don't suck, CBCs suck because most of them got nerfed in to the ground.
#1: true there isn't any difference from last year, the year before that and so forth. That is the tactic of all good pilots fighting numbers since getting caught gets you killed
#2: May I add that light missiles do apply as close to 100% of their damage as we can get, hence my unpopular proposal of applying that to all of them.
Heavy missiles used to be a long range weapon system. Now the Ferox makes jokes about Drakes and the Drake looks very sad at the end of the docking ports pilots leave them in.
Suitiona is right out the Raven except for the pricetag which brings me to
#3: and ontop of that they made them twice as expensive as they for with no reason, hence James' threadnaught about battleships and battlecruisers.
Just to add my 2 isk here.
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