Interesting idea but all it'll do is make kiting ships even better than they already are and simply because of that it's a bad idea. Also, you can't just implement a massive mechanic change like that to just HML, that would be highly arbitrary.

All that HML needs to do for more dps is to drop some range; Lose 20% range and get a 10-15% flat dps increase.

Find the fastest bare hull. Find the lowest sig bare hull.
Base stats on heavy missiles should deal 100% damage in both of these cases.

Currently it's possible to mitigate about 30% of their damage on a bare hull.

Heavy missile volley on an appropriately bonused ship goes over 2200 per volley. Increasing explosion velocity for a weapon that is essentially used when kiting (I.e. presenting a scenario where their damage is getting mitigated the most) would be the single most appropriate buff for the ship. Buffing navy missiles of each size catagory to 75% of the base speed of the aggregate average speed of the hull appropriate target is one potential way of rebalancing missiles to be better and more situationally appropriate.

In a little but I'll draw up a quick graph of damages and get back to this thread. I coukd be totally wrong but it is my gut feeling after spending basicly 3 years using missiles in various capacities.

Just as soon as my manual piloting can address the shortfalls of missiles you can compare them to turrets like that.

You're not really that intelligent, are you. Give me one good reason why missiles shouldn't need modules or rigs to apply their damage better, and by "good" I mean a logical one.


Also, it works both ways; no, you can't help your missiles with manual piloting but then neither can your target use manual piloting to avoid them. Have you thought about that one? I bet you haven't.

Still waiting on credible evidence that they are fine, perhaps a usable fit or some charts.

But I don't think so, in spite of the fact that almost the entire Eve community doesn't use them, they are virtually extinct in game you're pretty much sticking your fingers in your ears and saying they're fine because you say so and anyone who disagrees is bad.

So post some real usable fits and data. Until then, good day.

This debate is certainly interesting. I'm going to investigate it further. Obviously as you begin swapping defensive rigs out for application rigs you need to get further away and move faster. It still doesn't remove the facts of fighting in point range as being a really bad idea for any HML user particularly when the target can keep pace with you (pretty easy for every ship except amarr)

This debate is certainly interesting. I'm going to investigate it further. Obviously as you begin swapping defensive rigs out for application rigs you need to get further away and move faster. It still doesn't remove the facts of fighting in point range as being a really bad idea for any HML user particularly when the target can keep pace with you (pretty easy for every ship except amarr)

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Indeed and this works well for PvE - tengus, ravens, golems etc.

It is a disaster in PvP at all typically workable ranges. Test it, you'll soon see that the damage is really, REALLY bad for the benefits conveyed versus the sacrifices made. The fits become hilarious squishy, pressed for fitting and all for less applied damage in any typical scenario than an average gunboat provides. Missile boats also can't dictate range for long, typically have minimal drones so clearing fast tackle is a nightmare. Sure, in a paper world they'll grief it to death eventually - in game, they just get caught and die in a fire. I've never heard a tackler in my life say they're scared of a HML boat, or will need backup quickly.

Unfortunately, people are still so mad about the old drake blobs you tend to attract weird stuff like "lol use a painter" or "lol webs" as if these have no impact on guns when actually they benefit both just fine. You also get other stuff like people caught in 2012 when drakes did have mad tanks, when in fact today the difference between a decent comparable fit drake and a ferox is ~1-2% EHP.

Anyway, if you do manage to find a good fit that isnt outclassed at every typical opportunity by either slapping RLML or a gunboat, please post it - it has literally eluded everyone else to date. This probably sounds a bit sarcastic, it isn't - I'd love to have a reason to fit HML again, other than for snowflake laughs to annoy my corpmates

Good luck in your fitting, I'll keep using guns and drones like everyone else is right now

-some nonsense-Again, for the zillionth time, I'm not saying that HML couldn't use a small dps boost, but it would have to come at the cost of losing some range. As they are their dps is inline with he ranges they can achieve.