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Gragnor
Order of the Arrow
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Posted - 2006.09.18 11:04:00 -
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I was wondering would it be easier for GM's etc if we sent in an urgent petition within 15 mins of a POS assault - so you can push more resources onto the node before we all go on a rampage?
Would that help in the short term?
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DrAtomic
Polytope
Ghosts of Retribution
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Posted - 2006.09.18 11:34:00 -
[122]
Kali is Mr. Murphy's middlename imho... :D
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Umbriele
Gallente
Black Eclipse Corp
Band of Brothers
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Posted - 2006.09.18 11:52:00 -
[123]
1) Remove lag causes
2) Fix old and new bugs
3) Deploy Kali
4) Remove lag causes
5) Fix old and new bugs..
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Senechal Kapouillax
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Posted - 2006.09.18 11:59:00 -
[124]
Good luck with that guys.
Still, I can't believe people can still be stuck with memory leaks these days...
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Andrue
Amarr
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Posted - 2006.09.18 12:15:00 -
[125]
 Originally by: Senechal Kapouillax
Good luck with that guys.
Still, I can't believe people can still be stuck with memory leaks these days...
The trouble is it might not be a memory leak as such. A true memory leak is when the code has lost track of a resource and can no longer clean it up. Think of a coin dropping behind the cushions of your sofa.
This may just be a resource eating problem where the code keeps allocating more and more memory because it needs it. These can be harder to track down sometimes because memory checkers might not see anything wrong. This is more akin to hording cash. Dealing with these usually involves some form of caching with older data being pushed out to disk. Unfortunately getting such systems running well can be a nightmare and might explain the inconsistent performance one poster mentioned.
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Ethidium Bromide
ZEALOT WARRIORS AGAINST TERRORISTS
Curatores Veritatis Alliance
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Posted - 2006.09.18 12:29:00 -
[126]
thanks for the info, it's claming just to know help is on its way
Originally by: George Petsch
Nochricht: Dei schwarer StroinlSser trifftn Karli[Baatzis] und ruiniert erm so richtig de Dosn, 1343.7 schhodn, oida.
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Wilma Cox
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Posted - 2006.09.18 12:53:00 -
[127]
Originally by: Andrue
A true memory leak is when the code has lost track of a resource and can no longer clean it up. Think of a coin dropping behind the cushions of your sofa.
Thanks sir, it's my RL job to track this stuff, so I have a pretty good idea of what it means :)
It's a pretty good description for the non tech people around though!
Originally by: Andrue
This may just be a resource eating problem where the code keeps allocating more and more memory because it needs it. These can be harder to track down sometimes because memory checkers might not see anything wrong. This is more akin to hording cash. Dealing with these usually involves some form of caching with older data being pushed out to disk. Unfortunately getting such systems running well can be a nightmare and might explain the inconsistent performance one poster mentioned.
Resource leaks can be tracked in a similar manner, provided you use the adequate constructs (listeners, ref counting, logging, per resource logging, etc...) and don't occur when you use automatic tracking adapters. Well,
So, in a nutshell, it's the oldest problem of programming science, it's not that hard to fix it *before it occurs* and I'm still amazed at how common I can find that stuff around.
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Senechal Kapouillax
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Posted - 2006.09.18 12:54:00 -
[128]
Originally by: Wilma Cox
So, in a nutshell, it's the oldest problem of programming science, it's not that hard to fix it *before it occurs* and I'm still amazed at how common I can find that stuff around.
That was me BTW, stupid forums :)
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Tia Kohi
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Posted - 2006.09.18 14:28:00 -
[129]
Just sounds like more CCP bull****. I'll believe it when I see it.
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Crazygsimo
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Posted - 2006.09.18 14:30:00 -
[130]
yes CCP is looking to fix the problems we all have in the last days, but u guys didnŠt think ccp should us give some free days Game Time for the problems we had???
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Hehulk
5punkorp
Interstellar Starbase Syndicate
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Posted - 2006.09.18 14:59:00 -
[131]
Originally by: Tia Kohi
Just sounds like more CCP bull****. I'll believe it when I see it.
Post with your main or STFU
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Centauris
Gallente
Thundercats
RAZOR Alliance
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Posted - 2006.09.18 15:06:00 -
[132]
Give me another game that does what CCP does in the form of letting you know whats happneing, shows you that you are getting your moneis worth. They could just say stfu to everyone but no they come through admitt mistakes and so forth.
So to all those moners and whinners, STFU, like to see you do better.
Making ISK is the name of the game. Those who say otherwise are either poor bastards or liars!
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Lorn Cholaxu
Gallente
Monadyne
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Posted - 2006.09.18 15:47:00 -
[133]
I'm very curious whether the EVE development team has any sort of automated unit, integration and regression testing in place for their system?
I know that in terms of architecture, reproducing the traffic that EVE sees galaxy-wide isn't something that's affordable for you guys. However, you should be able to isolate and hammer away at model nodes. I'm a software testing specialist, with experience in the ASF and many publications for Veritas, O'Reilly and Sun Microsystems. I know you guys don't use Java but neither do I anymore, really (I'm all about Mathematica these days--I only use Java to develop my rule engine). The principles of automated testing are the same whatever language you use. We had a lot of the same problems testing systems running in OpenEJB that you guys seem to have with EVE--the difficulty of simulating real time user traffic foremost among those problems.
I think that full scale testing should be possible at the node level, and creating environments capable of simulating constellation-wide user behavior isn't at all beyond the realm of possibility if you use a rule engine.
Perhaps you could configure a way to roll out changes for testing to specific constellation or system nodes, and let it be known that although opportunities above the average abound for capsuleers in these systems and constellations, they are chronically plagued with interference and temporal-distortion rifts due to spatial singularies arising from collapsed neutron stars. Or something like that. Basically, a few constellations become a known-in-advance permanent testing ground. I don't know if that's practical or possible because I know so little about your system architecture, but it's a thought.
I never sweat the downtimes, but I do want to see you guys overcome these problems and have a good fire-hardened system for us to pwn each other on, without forcing the users to risk it all as beta-testers.
Automated Testing FTW,
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Taedrin
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Posted - 2006.09.18 16:28:00 -
[134]
Memory leaks? OUCH. You have my deepest sympathy - here's to hoping you have enough caffeine to keep you up long enough to find them. I also hope that these aren't the type of memory leaks that only cause a problem hundreds of lines of code after the leak happens - those are especially nasty.
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EzSnake
Caldari
Cereal Killerz
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Posted - 2006.09.18 17:43:00 -
[135]
I'm not here to knock CCP or it's Dev's...and I'm not that technical on these aspects of coding etc.
All I can tell you is, this game ran a hell of alot better 2 yrs ago on a machine w/ half the specs of my current machine.
Since newest patch, the problems have gotten WORSE, NOT BETTER. (yeah I know you said, the patch also created more problems etc etc)..
THAT IS THE PROBLEM --- Each and every patch, for a long time, has always created more problems and resolved fewer than it created...
Do you not have proper testing techniques?
Because that sure does sound arse backwards to me.
Why should we have to be your guinea pigs on TQ?? and continue to have to pay you for gameplay that gets worse and worse?!?!?!
Prior to latest patch my eve took up 200-400MB RAM and never went far over 400, even after 12hrs play.
Since your latest patch it takes 500 at startup and will work it way up to eat ALL of my 1GB RAM, then work its way to eat up all 4GB of virtual RAM?!?!?! and it does this within 1hr of gameplay. (WTH!!)
Making the game so laggy, I couldn't fight a Ibis and win, due to the lag outs!!!!
While I do appreciate your efforts and honesty (if being that honest, I believe there's ALOT more your NOT tellin us). It is MOOT if you keep sending out patches that fix a handfull of bugs, but creates a basket full of more...
Do what you need, delay Kali if you must, just get the game working right and stop being such a resource HOG!!
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Raven DeBlade
Caldari
Bladerunners
Mordus Angels
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Posted - 2006.09.18 18:03:00 -
[136]
Thanks for great info as usual CCP =)
"To hunt pirates you need time and patience, because even monkeys fall from the trees" |
MrBreaker
Amarr
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Posted - 2006.09.18 18:12:00 -
[137]
Fixing TQ while delaying Kali is good, before Kali comes in we'll have a healthy TQ
This is a dilemma... spend ages fixing TQ, only to have more problems which will NO doubt surface once Kali goes live or release Kali sooner with new bugs going over code with unfixed bugs, leading to potentially loads of bugs.
Get Kali onto Singularity ASAP and keep it under test for longer than normal... and somehow do a full mirror of TQ so everyone can log on.
I really want you guys to get this right, and hopefully see eve hitting 50k online one day
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Svenjabi Xiang
Gallente
Dark Matter Collective
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Posted - 2006.09.18 20:10:00 -
[138]
Being new to Eve, but not to IT, I wish you all the best. I enjoy the game such as has been presented, and only hope to see it grow and continue.
Having lived through many failures and performance issues in IT (over 14 years and counting), I think, if your asking, that you should probably spend as little time getting the existing TQ code to "snuff" as can be done to address the concerns the system is currently having (or had last night anyway). After having addressed the most glaring issues, please then spend the time instead combing the Kali expansion, carrying over existing code after it has been reviewed and model tested. It is ever so frustrating to spend a great deal of time poring over code only to be throwing out that code in a very short period of time. Get the code that you will be using right, stress test the product that you are going into right, and monitor/preserve the existing community as much as you have to in the interim. If you do this, you'll have a good product going forward instead of "chasing your tail" and you'll be spending the time most constructively to get the Eve community into a release that is stable AND has more features. It doesn't have to be a "zero sum" game of features vs. stability.
Great game, btw
Svenjabi Xiang
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Tia Kohi
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Posted - 2006.09.18 20:22:00 -
[139]
Originally by: Hehulk
Originally by: Tia Kohi
Just sounds like more CCP bull****. I'll believe it when I see it.
Post with your main or STFU
No. I'll post with any of the many characters I play in this game. I have a better idea. Why don't you fly to Iceland and suckoff the devs at ccp since you are so in love with them.
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Hehulk
5punkorp
Interstellar Starbase Syndicate
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Posted - 2006.09.18 20:31:00 -
[140]
Originally by: Tia Kohi
Originally by: Hehulk
Originally by: Tia Kohi
Just sounds like more CCP bull****. I'll believe it when I see it.
Post with your main or STFU
No. I'll post with any of the many characters I play in this game. I have a better idea. Why don't you fly to Iceland and suckoff the devs at ccp since you are so in love with them.
If it's all the same to you, I'll fly about and pimp my epeen some more ganking silly war targets than do that. Everyone has faults. Mine is my stuborness, your seems to be a willingness to accept things as they are.
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Tia Kohi
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Posted - 2006.09.18 20:37:00 -
[141]
Originally by: Hehulk
Originally by: Tia Kohi
Originally by: Hehulk
Originally by: Tia Kohi
Just sounds like more CCP bull****. I'll believe it when I see it.
Post with your main or STFU
No. I'll post with any of the many characters I play in this game. I have a better idea. Why don't you fly to Iceland and suckoff the devs at ccp since you are so in love with them.
If it's all the same to you, I'll fly about and pimp my epeen some more ganking silly war targets than do that. Everyone has faults. Mine is my stuborness, your seems to be a willingness to accept things as they are.
Ok that just made no sense. How am I accepting things the way they are? The only thing I accept is the devs are running EVE into the ground.
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Sharkbait
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Posted - 2006.09.18 21:02:00 -
[142]
just letting you know, we have 3 possible fixes for the current problems. we will be testing them on sisi over the next few days and hope to get them to TQ asap. this also includes a fix for the Tower problem that papasmurf fixed this afternoon.
altho we think we have fixes, the problems are still being looked into, we are also looking into the way the server uses it's ram in hopes of improving it as much as possible.
again, i will keep you posted as i get information
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ParMizaN
Body Count Inc.
Mercenary Coalition
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Posted - 2006.09.18 21:41:00 -
[143]
We just knocked down a tower in empire with roughly 40 people, lag was quite bearable but there was no resistance.
0.1 system if it helps, and defences were not firing.
sig edited for lack of pink really
PINK -eris
Pink is overrated, yellow is the new pink - Xorus
XORUS!!1 HEATHEN KILLKILLKILLKILLKILL - Immy |
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Sharkbait
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Posted - 2006.09.18 22:20:00 -
[144]
if you do find a tower with no forcefield, please don't kill it. just leave it alone and report the issue to a GM via the petition system.
Spank You later |
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Tas Devil
JUDGE DREAD Inc.
Forces of Freedom
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Posted - 2006.09.18 22:30:00 -
[145]
Originally by: Wilma Cox
Originally by: Andrue
A true memory leak is when the code has lost track of a resource and can no longer clean it up. Think of a coin dropping behind the cushions of your sofa.
Thanks sir, it's my RL job to track this stuff, so I have a pretty good idea of what it means :)
It's a pretty good description for the non tech people around though!
Originally by: Andrue
This may just be a resource eating problem where the code keeps allocating more and more memory because it needs it. These can be harder to track down sometimes because memory checkers might not see anything wrong. This is more akin to hording cash. Dealing with these usually involves some form of caching with older data being pushed out to disk. Unfortunately getting such systems running well can be a nightmare and might explain the inconsistent performance one poster mentioned.
Resource leaks can be tracked in a similar manner, provided you use the adequate constructs (listeners, ref counting, logging, per resource logging, etc...) and don't occur when you use automatic tracking adapters. Well,
So, in a nutshell, it's the oldest problem of programming science, it's not that hard to fix it *before it occurs* and I'm still amazed at how common I can find that stuff around.
Are you pitching for a job at CCP ? or are you telling us you are god's answer to memory leaks ?
Not quite sure what your contribution is here...
Tas
The best Laugh ever ... Credit goes to Killer8 for this !
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Tas Devil
JUDGE DREAD Inc.
Forces of Freedom
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Posted - 2006.09.18 22:35:00 -
[146]
Originally by: Tia Kohi
Originally by: Hehulk
Originally by: Tia Kohi
Just sounds like more CCP bull****. I'll believe it when I see it.
Post with your main or STFU
No. I'll post with any of the many characters I play in this game. I have a better idea. Why don't you fly to Iceland and suckoff the devs at ccp since you are so in love with them.
Right so I get a 72hrs ban for suggesting the devs should spend less time telling us about their drinking habits and more about the game... but this guy can troll and insult everyone without consequence...
And you say the moderation on here is fair and not targeted at all... 
Tas
The best Laugh ever ... Credit goes to Killer8 for this !
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GoldHorn
Venture Capital Incorporated
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Posted - 2006.09.18 23:51:00 -
[147]
Originally by: Tas Devil
Originally by: Tia Kohi
Originally by: Hehulk
Originally by: Tia Kohi
Just sounds like more CCP bull****. I'll believe it when I see it.
Post with your main or STFU
No. I'll post with any of the many characters I play in this game. I have a better idea. Why don't you fly to Iceland and suckoff the devs at ccp since you are so in love with them.
Right so I get a 72hrs ban for suggesting the devs should spend less time telling us about their drinking habits and more about the game... but this guy can troll and insult everyone without consequence...
And you say the moderation on here is fair and not targeted at all...
There u go... another 72h for u .
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Altraz
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Posted - 2006.09.19 00:36:00 -
[148]
Whoohoo!! "Thank you all for your patience and sticking with us through thick and thin, we will make it up to you in the near future."
Devs - Does that mean free EXTRA GAMETIME for all those downtime we've had to bear? (Wishful thinking)
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Resin Kadir
Lexx Corp
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Posted - 2006.09.19 12:08:00 -
[149]
As always I have no doubt CCP will overcome the issues. We all cried for the first 3 days after RMR came out but it got better. With bigger leaps come bigger bruises but they all go away. Thank you for the update. We asked for it and you delivered.
//applause.
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Lazuran
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Posted - 2006.09.19 12:16:00 -
[150]
Originally by: Sharkbait
just letting you know, we have 3 possible fixes for the current problems.
I presume that the first of these 3 is "out" (rollback due to a hotfix deployed at downtime ...). ;-)
"The whole of NYC is not 1.0. Some back alley in the Bronx is deep 0.0, while right outside NYPD headquarters is 1.0." -- Slaaght Bana |
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