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Capqu
Love Squad Confederation of xXPIZZAXx
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Posted - 2015.01.15 20:48:56 -
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This was announced on stream. The option to disable friendly fire for your corp.
PLEASE GOD tell me this isn't as dumb as it sounds.
This would remove corp awoxing in nullsec as well as highsec, which I'm sure isn't the intention.
Highsec awoxing is already a dying profession, you basically delete it with this. Nullsec awoxing shouldn't rely on finding someone who isn't in your corp.
Literally the worst idea I've ever heard, and CCP Punkturis is usually all good stuff.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QPntjTPWgKE
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Jaffa Hashur
Illustrious Continuum
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Posted - 2015.01.15 21:00:13 -
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Exactly how does it remove Null-sec Awoxing? |
Capqu
Love Squad Confederation of xXPIZZAXx
974
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Posted - 2015.01.15 21:01:07 -
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Jaffa Hashur wrote:Exactly how does it remove Null-sec Awoxing?
no friendly fire was how it was worded on stream
it obviously might not be how its actually implemented
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QPntjTPWgKE
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Arden Elenduil
Unlimited Ripoff Works
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Posted - 2015.01.15 21:04:00 -
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Wouldn't make a difference in nullsec
And, as dishonourable as i find your tactics in eve online (bloody griffin), i agree with your statement that it shouldn't be implemented |
Dersen Lowery
Drinking in Station
1426
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Posted - 2015.01.15 21:06:33 -
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Didn't Awox just get on grid with anomaly-running corpmates, light a cyno, and suddenly reds? Meaning that the whole scheme relied on people out of corp, and this change wouldn't affect it at all?
If anything, it would make that tactic more effective, because the no-corp-aggression flag would give the impression of increased safety.
Proud founder and member of the Belligerent Desirables.
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Capqu
Love Squad Confederation of xXPIZZAXx
975
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Posted - 2015.01.15 21:13:16 -
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Dersen Lowery wrote:Didn't Awox just get on grid with anomaly-running corpmates, light a cyno, and suddenly reds? Meaning that the whole scheme relied on people out of corp, and this change wouldn't affect it at all?
If anything, it would make that tactic more effective, because the no-corp-aggression flag would give the impression of increased safety.
no you scrample the guy or he just warps off
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QPntjTPWgKE
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Capqu
Love Squad Confederation of xXPIZZAXx
975
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Posted - 2015.01.15 21:14:05 -
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Jaffa Hashur wrote:Exactly how does it remove Null-sec Awoxing?
**EDIT** Oh right, you assumed that it was actually going to do what they said instead of the mechanically obvious thing.
No I don't have a source other than the crystal ball I have here, but this is how it's going to work:
When the option is enabled crimewatch will react to to violence between corp members in the same way it reacts to NPC corp members fighting.
thats still awful and removes high sec awoxing entirely
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QPntjTPWgKE
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Alundil
Isogen 5
838
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Posted - 2015.01.15 21:16:40 -
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Eve Online 2015: The most dangerous sandbox ever (some exclusions may apply)
I'm right behind you
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Arya Regnar
Darwins Right Hand
652
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Posted - 2015.01.15 21:16:48 -
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Confirming I don't like this and making eve safe isn't going to make it any more fun or better in any way as it just babysits the idiots.
EvE-Mail me if you need anything.
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Dersen Lowery
Drinking in Station
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Posted - 2015.01.15 21:23:00 -
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Capqu wrote:Dersen Lowery wrote:Didn't Awox just get on grid with anomaly-running corpmates, light a cyno, and suddenly reds? Meaning that the whole scheme relied on people out of corp, and this change wouldn't affect it at all?
If anything, it would make that tactic more effective, because the no-corp-aggression flag would give the impression of increased safety. no you scrample the guy or he just warps off
Unless you bump him.
I'm not saying it's a good idea, necessarily, I'm just trying to see what the actual boundaries of the change would be.
For one example: it's not unusual for bubblers to trap their own fleets intentionally. If you're in a corp that has this flag set, can you not inflate a bubble around both your own fleet and the hostiles in order to force a close-range brawl? Does the hictor just magically fail to do its job?
Proud founder and member of the Belligerent Desirables.
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Elenahina
Agony Unleashed Agony Empire
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Posted - 2015.01.15 21:27:09 -
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Arya Regnar wrote:Confirming I don't like this and making eve safe isn't going to make it any more fun or better in any way as it just babysits the idiots.
I have to agree with this. Intra corp agression is not something that needs to be changed. They already added a way to kick people from corp even if they won't dock, so at most you're stuck with the guy for a day after he strikes. If you want to be safer, use the 3 pounds of offal inside your cranium in a more effective fashion. |
Arya Regnar
Darwins Right Hand
653
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Posted - 2015.01.15 21:32:31 -
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CCP advertised eve with awoxing in their videos and consequences and all that, sandbox mechanics are what makes this game so great, if you remove that you destroy eve for what it i¦¦s¦¦ was.
EvE-Mail me if you need anything.
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Sladislov
Love Squad Confederation of xXPIZZAXx
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Posted - 2015.01.15 22:39:15 -
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Yes lets remove another profession from eve, lets the remove one of the fundamental mechanics. A huge but understandable blow was dealt with the expel option, but this just outright kills the Highsec Awoxer. No longer do people have to care about who they invite into their corp, no longer do they have to check api keys. Just invite everyone without a care in the world.
One of the things about eve that i like is that you have to choose who to trust carefully, but slowly this choice is being taken away as more and more measures are being taken to turn highsec into a cozy place that is perfectly safe. This is a slippery slope.
Lets remove highsec player character damage altogether! Lets remove ninja salvaging as well, and suicide ganking, and all the other ways you can interact with players. Lets all be friends and walk merrily hand in hand as we dont have to care about anything.
It is REALLY easy to pick out an awoxer when he applies to your corp, all this is going to do is let stupid people get away with being stupid. You cant get away with being a ****** in low or null, why would you be able to get away with it in highsec?
EvE is losing its edge, slowly becoming a softer, nicer place instead of a winner takes all "Everyone Versus Everyone" universe.
if my sub runs out i will probably not extend it. this pretty much ruins the game for many people and i hope ccp reconsiders (hahaha as if)
I'd like a dev answer if they are actually intending to make highsec a theme-park WoW kind of place.
(edit: that ad with choices matter, i guess they dont when u cant even damage anyone)
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Rawketsled
Generic Corp Name
55
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Posted - 2015.01.15 22:40:51 -
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Disclaimer: I'm in a crummy timezone, so I haven't seen the stream.
What about adding a, say, 10% tax that gets paid to Concord/SCC if the corp has that option set? Monetary incentive to turn the option off, but with the risk of the game being fun. |
Kaarous Aldurald
Sebiestor Tribe Minmatar Republic
11208
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Posted - 2015.01.15 22:51:28 -
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Rawketsled wrote:Disclaimer: I'm in a crummy timezone, so I haven't seen the stream.
What about adding a, say, 10% tax that gets paid to Concord/SCC if the corp has that option set? Monetary incentive to turn the option off, but with the risk of the game being fun.
I like this idea. More safety should not come for free.
Nevermind that this idea is completely absurd, and just removes an iconic feature of the game for pretty much no reason.
"Verily, I have often laughed at the weaklings who thought themselves good because they had no claws."
One of ours, ten of theirs.
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Iain Cariaba
906
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Posted - 2015.01.15 22:57:30 -
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Sladislov wrote:I'd like a dev answer if they are actually intending to make highsec a theme-park WoW kind of place. I'd like an answer on this, too.
Even though I do little in highsec anymore, I feel that removing intra-corp combat from highsec violates the Everyone vs. Everyone attitude that is the main reason I pay the monthly subscription fees and play this game. My opinion is that, if CCP continues to take steps to make the game into carebear wonderland, why should I continue to pay them when I can get all the carebear wonderland I can stand in free games?
EvE is hard. It's harder if you're stupid.
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Velicitia
XS Tech
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Posted - 2015.01.15 22:59:11 -
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If hisec becomes a carebear wonderland, hope the markets, belts, moons, etc get gutted and made worthless. Also, add loads more lowsec.
One of the bitter points of a good bittervet is the realisation that all those SP don't really do much, and that the newbie is having much more fun with what little he has. - Tippia
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Kaarous Aldurald
Sebiestor Tribe Minmatar Republic
11208
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Posted - 2015.01.15 23:05:13 -
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Oh, and classify dec dodging as an exploit now.
You know, since the only real way to actually get at people who dodge wardecs was to awox them. And if you're removing that, their ability to be 100% immune to wardecs should be removed as well.
"Verily, I have often laughed at the weaklings who thought themselves good because they had no claws."
One of ours, ten of theirs.
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Techno-Viking
Imperial Academy Amarr Empire
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Posted - 2015.01.15 23:34:08 -
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How does stopping awoxing make it more like theme park? You can still scam, gank, go suspect etc etc on the thousands of other players floating around.
I've personally never been awoxed, so I can't talk from experience. However if I was a noob/ causal player and joined a corp, got awoxed of that t2 fit bs/barge that took ages to afford, I'd pretty much go, well f this, I'm off, that was a waste of time. Now before everyone starts with the 'well that's eve' etc etc, yeah i agree it is. However it is to you because your a bitter vet who reads the forums and is invested in this game. If your not that invested into eve and a new/ casual player, instead of dustng yourself off and trying again, you just won't resub. The long term log in figures and retention of new players shows a decline, therefore ccp as a business has to do something. I'm not saying awoxing is the main reason for this decline, but anything to minimise the reasons for people leaving this game at the beginning has to be seen as a positive thing surely? More people online, means more people to pew against, more money for ccp, hopefully a long lasting and better game =ƒÿä |
Lugh Crow-Slave
496
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Posted - 2015.01.15 23:36:17 -
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Well at least i can just hit accept on every invite no need to actually give them even a modicum not like eve was about emergent player interactions anyway.
I suppose next we should expect increased CONCORD responses times as well? or are we going to ban jita scamers
if you want to turn off corp on corp pvp then don't let anyone into your corp
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Mario Putzo
Welping and Dunking.
1101
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Posted - 2015.01.15 23:44:50 -
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Good **** awoxing, coward gameplay. If you want to brawl hit me up in corp chat and we will undock and brawl. |
Lugh Crow-Slave
496
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Posted - 2015.01.16 00:23:15 -
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went and watched the 07 and saw that they were going to make it an option.
so effectively corps can now be 100% safe from awoxers but the person joining the corp is still just as much at risk.
that seems right right?
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Livonian
Kaesong Kosmonauts
16
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Posted - 2015.01.16 01:23:27 -
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Let me preface this by saying I think the entire idea undermines the core values of EVE.
CCP always goes on and on about meaningful gameplay and choices. Well where is the meaningful gameplay or decisions in effectively allowing highsec corps to be 100% safe simply by checking a box.
Why wouldn't every corp in highsec check it?
What is the counter play to it?
As others have also mentioned it removes all the gameplay elements involved in vetting and trusting a new corp member in highsec, while deleting an enjoyablestyle of play |
Mario Putzo
Welping and Dunking.
1102
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Posted - 2015.01.16 01:30:05 -
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Livonian wrote:Let me preface this by saying I think the entire idea undermines the core values of EVE.
CCP always goes on and on about meaningful gameplay and choices. Well where is the meaningful gameplay or decisions in effectively allowing highsec corps to be 100% safe simply by checking a box.
Why wouldn't every corp in highsec check it?
What is the counter play to it?
As others have also mentioned it removes all the gameplay elements involved in vetting and trusting a new corp member in highsec, while deleting an enjoyablestyle of play
Then make your own Awoxing corp. Invite fellow Awoxers and you guys can sneak up on each other and kill each others ****, or don't who gives a ****. If people want to play in peace, let them. If you want to shoot them, declare a war an hope they undock. Awoxing is ******* ****, everyone knows it, and this change doesn't limit that playstyle at all. Unless your only path to Awoxing is taking advantage of rookie corp leaders.
Step your game up son.
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Livonian
Kaesong Kosmonauts
16
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Posted - 2015.01.16 01:35:21 -
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Mario Putzo wrote:Livonian wrote:Let me preface this by saying I think the entire idea undermines the core values of EVE.
CCP always goes on and on about meaningful gameplay and choices. Well where is the meaningful gameplay or decisions in effectively allowing highsec corps to be 100% safe simply by checking a box.
Why wouldn't every corp in highsec check it?
What is the counter play to it?
As others have also mentioned it removes all the gameplay elements involved in vetting and trusting a new corp member in highsec, while deleting an enjoyablestyle of play Then make your own Awoxing corp. Invite fellow Awoxers and you guys can sneak up on each other and kill each others ****, or don't who gives a ****. If people want to play in peace, let them. If you want to shoot them, declare a war an hope they undock. Awoxing is ******* ****, everyone knows it, and this change doesn't limit that playstyle at all. Unless your only path to Awoxing is taking advantage of rookie corp leaders. Step your game up son.
go back to wow if you want consensual pvp |
Arya Regnar
Darwins Right Hand
654
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Posted - 2015.01.16 02:13:05 -
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Mario Putzo wrote:Good **** awoxing, coward gameplay. If you want to brawl hit me up in corp chat and we will undock and brawl. I know you ex wow players have a thing for consensual pvp but eve was centered on it not being that way. Highsec will get even more dull with this change.
EvE-Mail me if you need anything.
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Sir Substance
GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation
656
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Posted - 2015.01.16 02:34:31 -
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There's no condition under which I could accept this.
One of the unique attributes of eve is that it provides no safety mechanisms for interpersonal interaction. Guilds in WoW don't background check their members, because the worst a member can do is spam chat and maybe not heal at an important moment.
In eve, the worst a member can do is destroy your corps entire ISK making backbone (I once saw Psychotic Monk do a quality awox where he got a freighter and half a dozen mackinaws in a belt), and so we background check new members.
Well, we did. No need to worry about that Awoxing Pizzaspy McShootsblues guy. He seems a bit sus, but we've got FF turned off so whatever, he can't do anything.
Yes, this game concept has some downsides, but it's core to the concept of eve. Trust no one, watch your back and if it sounds too good to be true, it probably is.
Scrapping it would be a mistake.
The beatings will continue until posting improves. -Magnus Cortex
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Donnachadh
United Allegiance of Undesirables
90
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Posted - 2015.01.16 02:35:14 -
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Sladislov wrote:Yes lets remove another profession from eve, lets the remove one of the fundamental mechanics. A huge but understandable blow was dealt with the expel option, but this just outright kills the Highsec Awoxer. No longer do people have to care about who they invite into their corp, no longer do they have to check api keys. Just invite everyone without a care in the world. This section spurred some thoughts.
Heading into a bit of contradictory thoughts here. High sec AWOXing is little more than a license to kill without incurring a Concord response and as such I see no real benefits to the game in having it. Even so I agree that it is a mechanic that has it's place since it is obvious that there are pllyers that enjoy it.. Are further nerfs needed to AWOXing as a whole? Not as far as I am concerned, as a player and the CEO of a small corp there are more than enough tools available to handle an AWOXer and yet I wonder.
Perhaps all of this rumor floating about is part of the longer range plan of encouraging those of the PvP persuasion to move from high sec into low or null by leaving them with nothing they can shoot at. I know many say it would be bad for the game and I disagree. If it was done carefully and as part of a plan to revamp all areas of space the game would not only survive having a 100% safe area of space it would actually allow EVE an even greater growth potential.
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Mario Putzo
Welping and Dunking.
1102
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Posted - 2015.01.16 02:53:42 -
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Livonian wrote: go back to wow if you want consensual pvp
LoL whats ur K:D ratio brah?
At least I don't have to join up with corps to gank unexpecting people and call it Peeveepee.
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Ines Tegator
Serious Business Inc. Ltd. LLC. etc.
533
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Posted - 2015.01.16 03:01:32 -
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Oh. No. Spies might have to take risks to get kills now. How. Dreadful. The game will never recover from this unreasonable burden.
I'm in shock. Eve is going to die. Boo. Hoo. Hoo.
Overhaul Dscan!
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