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Maqari Kinraysuwa
Oruze Cruise
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Posted - 2015.01.16 22:37:43 -
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Make intra-corp PvP trigger a LE or Suspect timer. That way the 'invincible' untanked logi can now be shot at and all you dumb ******* highsec pub shitlords can go back to mining or grinding l4s or whatever you do, instead of trying to **** on an actual interesting form of emergent content. |
Capqu
Love Squad
Confederation of xXPIZZAXx
975
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Posted - 2015.01.16 22:43:29 -
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Mike Azariah wrote:It was a good fix to a dumb rule. The switch to turn it on/off removes the only hesitation I had because of the effect a blanket rules would have on corp free-for-alls and RvB.
Nothing I have read, here, has made me think otherwise but I will follow this thread looking for diamonds in the mud.
As to a tax to have it on? No. I would be willing to consider having a tax or fee everytime you want to CHANGE the settingt excluding the first time when it is set.
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welp i thought i'd be voting for you but jesus christ
its not a goddamn option as it was presented; its literally check this box or ur dumb
a tax or something would make it an option, risk:reward
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Lugh Crow-Slave
502
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Posted - 2015.01.16 22:45:26 -
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Sladislov wrote:Besides, no real awoxer goes around looking for new players to blow them up. They're only in it for the shiny kills.
Just had two awoxers get into a corp in my alliance a killed a group of ventures and barges. people are in it for the kills regardless of how shiny they are.
however all parties involved from those who were ganked to the recruiter learned from the experience and there entire corp as well as out of corp members had fun for a few hours trying to hunt them down.
it basically became an alliance wide event and was good fun to be had like an in game event but created dynamically by players.
this system as i have stated before not only removes game play but only puts new players joining corps at risk
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Maria Dragoon
EVE University
Ivy League
41
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Posted - 2015.01.16 23:43:00 -
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I don't think you quite understand how the turn off awox option. While the option is only in the talks at the moment. You have to ask yourself.
What is this option really?
The reality of it, is that many people here fail to understand what the option is. Does this option suddenly disallows players to be unable to shoot their corp members? I don't think it works that way, instead what will end up happening, (most likely) is that now awoxing will be punished the same way, people awox in NPC corps, you destroyed their ship in high sec, well concord destroy's your ship in high sec.
This feature most likely came around with awoxers would play "Going AFK" games in a fully fitted T3 ship that can alpha anything off the field in one shot, then runs and hides some where so that he can't be found. Instead what this means is that if he wishes to do it again, he will have to dock his pod, which means he will have to take a risk of being booted from the corp everytime he docks up and refits.
Now, don't get me wrong, I didn't say I support this idea, my opinions are my own.
But this needless panic thread lacks any reasonable arguments, suggestions, and information.
Basically all the Original poster is doing is creating a thread to induce panic in the eve community, and fails to provide any real facts at all. I'm sorry but I for one don't support such a thread like this existing. I suggest it be locked, and murdered. |
Sladislov
Love Squad
Confederation of xXPIZZAXx
58
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Posted - 2015.01.16 23:50:53 -
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Maria Dragoon wrote:I don't think you quite understand how the turn off awox option. While the option is only in the talks at the moment. You have to ask yourself.
What is this option really?
The reality of it, is that many people here fail to understand what the option is. Does this option suddenly disallows players to be unable to shoot their corp members? I don't think it works that way, instead what will end up happening, (most likely) is that now awoxing will be punished the same way, people awox in NPC corps, you destroyed their ship in high sec, well concord destroy's your ship in high sec.
This feature most likely came around with awoxers would play "Going AFK" games in a fully fitted T3 ship that can alpha anything off the field in one shot, then runs and hides some where so that he can't be found. Instead what this means is that if he wishes to do it again, he will have to dock his pod, which means he will have to take a risk of being booted from the corp everytime he docks up and refits.
Now, don't get me wrong, I didn't say I support this idea, my opinions are my own.
But this needless panic thread lacks any reasonable arguments, suggestions, and information.
Basically all the Original poster is doing is creating a thread to induce panic in the eve community, and fails to provide any real facts at all. I'm sorry but I for one don't support such a thread like this existing. I suggest it be locked, and murdered.
i suggest u stop posting
the form doesnt matter that much when the underlying principle remains the same
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Kane Ceres
University of Caille
Gallente Federation
1
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Posted - 2015.01.17 00:09:25 -
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Maqari Kinraysuwa wrote:Make intra-corp PvP trigger a LE or Suspect timer. That way the 'invincible' untanked logi can now be shot at and all you dumb ******* highsec pub shitlords can go back to mining or grinding l4s or whatever you do, instead of trying to **** on an actual interesting form of emergent content.
I would totally get behind this idea if I didn't think awoxing has already been nerfed to hell. |
Daichi Yamato
Xero Security and Technologies
2185
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Posted - 2015.01.17 00:11:42 -
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Lugh Crow-Slave wrote:Sladislov wrote:Besides, no real awoxer goes around looking for new players to blow them up. They're only in it for the shiny kills. Just had two awoxers get into a corp in my alliance a killed a group of ventures and barges. people are in it for the kills regardless of how shiny they are. however all parties involved from those who were ganked to the recruiter learned from the experience and there entire corp as well as out of corp members had fun for a few hours trying to hunt them down. it basically became an alliance wide event and was good fun to be had like an in game event but created dynamically by players. this system as i have stated before not only removes game play but only puts new players joining corps at risk
Me and some friends have had the exact same experience. It was the most fun these players had had in the game upto that point, brought us all closer together and inspired them onto more PvP antics that they werent interested in before.
The distressing experience ccp describe is likely from players who would be distressed by wardecs and suicide ganks as well. Both of these are also unintuitive game mechanics that noobs dont understand. When will they be axed?
Edit- sorry I mean togglable.
EVE FAQ "7.2 CAN I AVOID PVP COMPLETELY? No; there are no systems or locations in New Eden where PvP may be completely avoided" "So it will be up to a pilot to remain vigilant wherever they may be flying and be ready for anything at any time"
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TigerXtrm
Black Thorne Corporation
Black Thorne Alliance
995
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Posted - 2015.01.17 00:29:53 -
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Daichi Yamato wrote:Lugh Crow-Slave wrote:Sladislov wrote:Besides, no real awoxer goes around looking for new players to blow them up. They're only in it for the shiny kills. Just had two awoxers get into a corp in my alliance a killed a group of ventures and barges. people are in it for the kills regardless of how shiny they are. however all parties involved from those who were ganked to the recruiter learned from the experience and there entire corp as well as out of corp members had fun for a few hours trying to hunt them down. it basically became an alliance wide event and was good fun to be had like an in game event but created dynamically by players. this system as i have stated before not only removes game play but only puts new players joining corps at risk Me and some friends have had the exact same experience. It was the most fun these players had had in the game upto that point, brought us all closer together and inspired them onto more PvP antics that they werent interested in before. The distressing experience ccp describe is likely from players who would be distressed by wardecs and suicide ganks as well. Both of these are also unintuitive game mechanics that noobs dont understand. When will they be axed? Edit- sorry I mean togglable.
It's 'distressing' because from a game developer standpoint, their players (and particularly new players) get confused. Everywhere new players are encouraged to join player corporations. But then when they join a noob friendly corp they are targeted by much older players who seem to find joy in ruining the new player's day for no particular reason other than 'tears'.
In the same vein, a corporation should be a place where members can work together and feel 'safe'. Having to distrust your own corpmates may be 'exactly what EVE is about' for some, but it's lethal to EVE as a game. Especially new players shouldn't be thrown into a shark tank with people who would rip them to shreds for funzies and continue to laugh at them as they quit the game forever. People quiting the game over this crap is in nobody's best interest.
Want to continue Awoxing people? Join a low-sec or null-sec corp and Awox to your hearts content. But as usual, this isn't about the mechanic. It's about people losing access to a barrel full of fish which they can no longer shoot. Fish that would grow up to be sharks if you didn't eat them the second they show up.
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epicurus ataraxia
Z3R0 Return Mining Inc.
Illusion of Solitude
1478
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Posted - 2015.01.17 00:34:54 -
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There is naturally disappointment when one loses the ability to partake in a gamestyle one has become capable or even expert in, and there are no doubt those who are quite capable and take pride in their achievements.
"Be the villian" was the marketing drive a few years ago, the marketeers naturally felt that the "gritty" side of EvE would appeal to a certain demographic, and It was in truth quite successful.
However, for every player who behaves in a resposible, thoughtful manner, there are ten who are unable to exibit self restraint.
This has been pointed out for a while, that the excesses of the less restrained wardeccers, Gankers, and awoxers, would create issues, and ruin it for the more thoughtful players who plan and enjoy these gamestyles.
We appear to have reached the point where the bottom line of the company is being harmed. And little sympathy is being given to those who persue these gamestyles, as the excesses for many have become intolerable.
If one wishes to retain these gamestyles, one needs to encourage restraint within your community. The alternative is most likely the removal of the gamestyles you love, and that will make EVE poorer for it.
Please note I am not advocating the removal of any of these gamestyles. They do have a place In EvE
But Whether they remain or not is up to you.
There is one EvE. Many people. Many lifestyles. WE are EvE
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Sladislov
Love Squad
Confederation of xXPIZZAXx
58
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Posted - 2015.01.17 00:41:53 -
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All these posts about the new guys being shot by bitter veterans and comparisons to fish and barrels, go to zkill right now and show me 10 newbros being awoxed. You'll hardly find any, even if you go back to last year.
Simply put no one really wants to blow up new guys in highsec, they dont have blingy ships, they havent played it long enough to understand whats going on and its simply not worth the time. A few pages back a guy compiled a list of all awoxes that happened in a month or so and about 80% of all the awoxes were people older than a year.
To repeat myself, all this option will do is give stupid people immunity from actually having to look over their recruits, a simple api check is more than enough to pick out any bad apples (b-b-but sladislov what about new characters, well unless you play it 100% legit and dont transfer any isk or trade its fairly easy to see its an alt). A year ago when i wanted to join a corp no one even asked for api, nowadays most corps have api checks in place and usually thorough background checks (just opening the damn character sheet and looking at the corp history). I am anally frustrated at this not because the newbros are safe but because the stupid people who just want a ton of people in their highsec taxfarming corp can now do this without any effort. Any 'good' highsec corp will also kind of lose its status as now almost every corp is safe.
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Director of Silly semantics
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Kane Ceres
University of Caille
Gallente Federation
1
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Posted - 2015.01.17 00:58:43 -
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Hi sec does not need to be safer. If you go through with this and effectively stop any high sec awoxing then you had better fix war decs so that people can actually be engaged and not just turn high sec into a pve only zone. |
Maria Dragoon
EVE University
Ivy League
41
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Posted - 2015.01.17 01:08:12 -
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Sladislov wrote:Maria Dragoon wrote:I don't think you quite understand how the turn off awox option. While the option is only in the talks at the moment. You have to ask yourself.
What is this option really?
The reality of it, is that many people here fail to understand what the option is. Does this option suddenly disallows players to be unable to shoot their corp members? I don't think it works that way, instead what will end up happening, (most likely) is that now awoxing will be punished the same way, people awox in NPC corps, you destroyed their ship in high sec, well concord destroy's your ship in high sec.
This feature most likely came around with awoxers would play "Going AFK" games in a fully fitted T3 ship that can alpha anything off the field in one shot, then runs and hides some where so that he can't be found. Instead what this means is that if he wishes to do it again, he will have to dock his pod, which means he will have to take a risk of being booted from the corp everytime he docks up and refits.
Now, don't get me wrong, I didn't say I support this idea, my opinions are my own.
But this needless panic thread lacks any reasonable arguments, suggestions, and information.
Basically all the Original poster is doing is creating a thread to induce panic in the eve community, and fails to provide any real facts at all. I'm sorry but I for one don't support such a thread like this existing. I suggest it be locked, and murdered. i suggest u stop posting the form doesn't matter that much when the underlying principle remains the same
And which underlying principle is there to prove? Hmmm? What kind of thought provoking things does this thread provide, what kind of thinking is it pushing by providing no information at all?
God, and before you tell me to stop posting, at least learn to know the difference between "u" and you.
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Lugh Crow-Slave
509
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Posted - 2015.01.17 01:25:54 -
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TigerXtrm wrote:
It's 'distressing' because from a game developer standpoint, their players (and particularly new players) get confused. Everywhere new players are encouraged to join player corporations. But then when they join a noob friendly corp they are targeted by much older players who seem to find joy in ruining the new player's day for no particular reason other than 'tears'.
Problem is they said this was being made optional by the corp meaning it doesn't prevent this from happening. all it does is make it so there is no reason not to just hit accept on every application to your corp
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Kenrailae
Mind Games.
Suddenly Spaceships.
330
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Posted - 2015.01.17 02:10:22 -
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Lugh Crow-Slave wrote:TigerXtrm wrote:
It's 'distressing' because from a game developer standpoint, their players (and particularly new players) get confused. Everywhere new players are encouraged to join player corporations. But then when they join a noob friendly corp they are targeted by much older players who seem to find joy in ruining the new player's day for no particular reason other than 'tears'.
Problem is they said this was being made optional by the corp meaning it doesn't prevent this from happening. all it does is make it so there is no reason not to just hit accept on every application to your corp
Uhhh... what?
Come again?
I've done my fair share of ganking, and would gladly do so again if the time and desire coincided at the same point. There is no fun in killing noobs. Ganking, Awoxing, etc is much, much more fun when we can get the bitter vet tears to go along with it.
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Lugh Crow-Slave
509
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Posted - 2015.01.17 02:15:36 -
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Kenrailae wrote:Lugh Crow-Slave wrote:TigerXtrm wrote:
It's 'distressing' because from a game developer standpoint, their players (and particularly new players) get confused. Everywhere new players are encouraged to join player corporations. But then when they join a noob friendly corp they are targeted by much older players who seem to find joy in ruining the new player's day for no particular reason other than 'tears'.
Problem is they said this was being made optional by the corp meaning it doesn't prevent this from happening. all it does is make it so there is no reason not to just hit accept on every application to your corp Uhhh... what? Come again?
Corps will still be able to get new members in and gank them free of concord so this does not protect new players. it only protects corps from needing to trust anyone
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Kenrailae
Mind Games.
Suddenly Spaceships.
330
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Posted - 2015.01.17 02:21:40 -
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Lugh Crow-Slave wrote:Kenrailae wrote:Lugh Crow-Slave wrote:TigerXtrm wrote:
It's 'distressing' because from a game developer standpoint, their players (and particularly new players) get confused. Everywhere new players are encouraged to join player corporations. But then when they join a noob friendly corp they are targeted by much older players who seem to find joy in ruining the new player's day for no particular reason other than 'tears'.
Problem is they said this was being made optional by the corp meaning it doesn't prevent this from happening. all it does is make it so there is no reason not to just hit accept on every application to your corp Uhhh... what? Come again? Corps will still be able to get new members in and gank them free of concord so this does not protect new players. it only protects corps from needing to trust anyone
Wow... I just felt brain cells die.....
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Donnachadh
United Allegiance of Undesirables
91
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Posted - 2015.01.17 02:34:40 -
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Interesting to read since my last post here.
After reading the oft touted meeting minutes on thing is even more clear now than before and to be honest it trumps any thing and every argument we as players could post.
$$$$$
Did I mention cash money.
$$$$$
You know the cold hard real life cash that CCP uses to pay for devs, artists, computers for them, servers for us and the list goes on. Any company that cannot or will not adjust to keep the majority of their paying customers will soon find themselves on the bankrupt and out of business list.
If CCP thinks any in game activity be it high sec AWOXing, suicide ganking or running missions is threatening the real cash bottom line then it needs to be changed removed from the game.
A question and this is hypothetical
You control CCP do you keep high sec AWOXing in game and risk losing the majority of your paying customers?
Or do you remove high sec AWOXing and risk losing a very small minority of your paying players?
To a smart business manager the answer to this one is easy, you cater to the majority and keep them in the game.
Then you take the money you have and work to find ways to give the minority something that will keep them in the game.
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Arya Regnar
Darwins Right Hand
654
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Posted - 2015.01.17 02:35:19 -
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Kenrailae wrote:
Wow... I just felt brain cells die.....
If there is a check box that disables friendly fire then yes, only new players are at risk.
The brain cells dying are in your head.
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Daichi Yamato
Xero Security and Technologies
2186
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Posted - 2015.01.17 02:48:49 -
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TigerXtrm wrote:
It's 'distressing' because from a game developer standpoint, their players (and particularly new players) get confused. Everywhere new players are encouraged to join player corporations. But then when they join a noob friendly corp they are targeted by much older players who seem to find joy in ruining the new player's day for no particular reason other than 'tears'.
Wardecs. Suicide ganking.
Both are more common, and the former is by FAR more detrimental to the new player experience and a FAR bigger reason why new players dont stick around. I have personally been the cause of tens of players, maybe more, quitting through the war dec mechanic.
Every argument against AWOXing applies directly to war decs and suicide ganking. New players are confused by a lot of EVE's rules that are corner stones to hi-sec competition. At some point you will realise EVE is different. Thats why its so unintuitive to players who come from other games. You might just say, EVE isnt for everyone.
TigerXtrm wrote:
In the same vein, a corporation should be a place where members can work together and feel 'safe'. Having to distrust your own corpmates may be 'exactly what EVE is about' for some, but it's lethal to EVE as a game. Especially new players shouldn't be thrown into a shark tank with people who would rip them to shreds for funzies and continue to laugh at them as they quit the game forever. People quiting the game over this crap is in nobody's best interest.
Corp theft. Recruitment scams. Read all of the above.
The GAME is the shark tank.
TigerXtrm wrote:
Want to continue Awoxing people? Join a low-sec or null-sec corp and Awox to your hearts content. But as usual, this isn't about the mechanic. It's about people losing access to a barrel full of fish which they can no longer shoot. Fish that would grow up to be sharks if you didn't eat them the second they show up.
No. This, for me, is about the pool of high sec corps being filled with tripe and the actual good corps out there being made even less visible to the new players looking for them.
You think the NPE is bad now? just wait till every corp in the advert finder is filled with the likes of players that have been described as so 'toxic' that the vast majority of players would rather minimise npc corp chat than read their literally mind-blowing ignorance. And these corps will actively recruit new players, not because they give a crap about the new players or desire to teach them anything, but because they can farm risk free isk from them. and why not?
EVE FAQ "7.2 CAN I AVOID PVP COMPLETELY? No; there are no systems or locations in New Eden where PvP may be completely avoided" "So it will be up to a pilot to remain vigilant wherever they may be flying and be ready for anything at any time"
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Daichi Yamato
Xero Security and Technologies
2187
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Posted - 2015.01.17 02:57:53 -
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Donnachadh wrote:
A question and this is hypothetical
You control CCP do you keep high sec AWOXing in game and risk losing the majority of your paying customers?
Or do you remove high sec AWOXing and risk losing a very small minority of your paying players?
To a smart business manager the answer to this one is easy, you cater to the majority and keep them in the game.
Then you take the money you have and work to find ways to give the minority something that will keep them in the game.
What players will be lost if the game stays THE SAME?
The same players we've always been losing for 12 years?
The players that without the game grew for 10 years straight?
There is no evidence to suggest that the recent rumored recession of subs has anything to do with AWOXing. More than likely it was the 'blue donut' {the opposite of AWOXing lol) that did that.
While CCP may have a financial agenda behind this change, your hypothetical questions was based upon a gross misconception.
EVE FAQ "7.2 CAN I AVOID PVP COMPLETELY? No; there are no systems or locations in New Eden where PvP may be completely avoided" "So it will be up to a pilot to remain vigilant wherever they may be flying and be ready for anything at any time"
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Arya Regnar
Darwins Right Hand
654
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Posted - 2015.01.17 03:17:57 -
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Daichi Yamato wrote:
What players will be lost if the game stays THE SAME?
The same players we've always been losing for 12 years?
The players that without the game grew for 10 years straight?
There is no evidence to suggest that the recent rumored recession of subs has anything to do with AWOXing. More than likely it was the 'blue donut' {the opposite of AWOXing lol) that did that.
While CCP may have a financial agenda behind this change, your hypothetical questions was based upon a gross misconception.
The only players they will lose are those that join corporations without risk and get bored, those that enjoyed awoxing activities and those that don't like their playing field narrowing down with dumbed down mechanics.
So yeah it's not just like you said, it's worse than that. For CCP to keep idiots in game they need to really dumb it down and make it completely like wow.
Problem is that at that point EVERYONE who is playing eve for what it is or was will be gone.
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chaosgrimm
Universal Production and Networking Services
179
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Posted - 2015.01.17 03:26:49 -
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I doubt this will change null sec.
Highsec I've got mixed opinions of.
Overall I think its leaning toward the positive end of the spectrum:
* awoxing was providing a way to circumvent concord, the drop in sec status, etc. IMO if you want to make hisec kills, you should be able to, but also be subject to the penalties.
* might encourage new players / risk adverse players to join corps and lets be honest, social interaction is a major part of the reason players stay, play, and pay.
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Call Me Betty
Stinky Buttes
2
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Posted - 2015.01.17 04:11:33 -
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I think there should be a option to disable friendly corp fire with a monthly concord protection fee. Something like 50 or 100m a month. But this option should not be enabled by default. Eve should not be a safe place.
I am a HS awoxer. I blindly apply to corps and 90% of the time I get rejected. Which is a good thing. But there are corps that will accept anyone. They will not even do the simplest of checks. Some don't realize their are people like me but most are just bears with the mindset that PvP is bad and think most people don't do it. But once I get in their normally quickly learn.
If you can spend a few seconds to check out someone before letting someone into your corp then you can weed out most of the awoxers. Unless it is a new awoxer then it is very simple to figure out if someone is one or not.
Eve should not be a safe place. If you want the benefits of having or being in a corp you should accept the risks. If you are careful you can avoid most of them. But the lazy should not be rewarded with safety for doing nothing.
Also saying just gank or war dec them is not a alternative. People can drop and switch corps when war deced and ganking solo limits your targets.
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Quattras Peione
Gentlemen of Fortune.
46
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Posted - 2015.01.17 04:51:39 -
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Aiyshimin wrote:suicide tanks
Typo or not, this is a potential feature that merits its own thread. |
Mario Putzo
Welping and Dunking.
1107
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Posted - 2015.01.17 04:58:46 -
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All these folks complaining about losing easy ganks.
To bad you will now have to put effort into it.
Join a corp, become a director, switch option off, gank ceo, steal as much as you can. |
Maqari Kinraysuwa
Oruze Cruise
15
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Posted - 2015.01.17 05:43:08 -
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Mario Putzo wrote:All these folks complaining about losing easy ganks.
To bad you will now have to put effort into it.
Join a corp, become a director, switch option off, gank ceo, steal as much as you can.
Your killboard looks like it could use some easy ganks, maybe you should consider highsec awoxing. |
Aran Hotchkiss
Phoibe Enterprises
54
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Posted - 2015.01.17 05:48:41 -
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Mario Putzo wrote:All these folks complaining about losing easy ganks.
Daichi Yamato: This, for me, is about the pool of high sec corps being filled with tripe and the actual good corps out there being made even less visible to the new players looking for them.
Arya Regnar: Confirming I don't like this and making eve safe isn't going to make it any more fun or better in any way as it just babysits the idiots.
Sladislov: One of the things about eve that i like is that you have to choose who to trust carefully, but slowly this choice is being taken away as more and more measures are being taken to turn highsec into a cozy place that is perfectly safe. This is a slippery slope.
Iain Cariaba: Even though I do little in highsec anymore, I feel that removing intra-corp combat from highsec violates the Everyone vs. Everyone attitude that is the main reason I pay the monthly subscription fees and play this game.
Lugh Crow-Slave: Well at least i can just hit accept on every invite no need to actually give them even a modicum not like eve was about emergent player interactions anyway.
Black Pedro: This change only makes it safer for these established players with assets, and does nothing for new players that don't even know what awoxing is. Hopefully it makes these established corps more willing to take on new players, but it will also increase the number of failcorps and scam corps trying to attract new players for tax farming.
Kane Ceres: Corps already have more than enough tools to avoid being awoxed 99% of the time.
If you accept someone with a mile long corp history - you deserve to be awoxed.
If you accept someone with a blank app and no API check - you deserve to be awoxed.
If you accept someone with lots of blue on blue on their killboard - YOU DESERVE TO BE AWOXED.
With the kick at downtime feature the damage an awoxer can do is harshly limited.
All this does is protect lazy people who are not willing to vet their applicants.
The bulk of the complaints in this thread have been
A) EvE is characterised as a harsh/unforgiving/trial-by-fire game, and this errodes at those attributes
B) Awoxxing to an extent culls (for want of a better word) lazy/inept hi-sec corps that are detrimental to the NPE
Straw-manning people's valid opposition to the change as something's that's never actually been mentioned will only derail the thread or lead to more emotional/negative responses, which can lead into a downward spiral of ranting and trolling until this thread is locked just like the last one.
Personal reasons I'm against the idea -
1) Corp FFA's/events/tagging a mate with a target painter for ***** n' giggles (This is addressed by having a toggle-able option, but points have been made about the issues with that)
2) Point A mentioned above. (I'm generally meh about what I read on the forums.... This change though really sets my teeth on edge.
Bit like Iain I don't do much in hisec except for running HQ incursions when I've burnt through my isk in lowsec, and as a recruiter I'd personally stand to gain from this change as the consequence of being lax on the recruitment process are less, but I still think this would be detrimental overall.
Granted, if CCP believes this will help their bottom dollar....
Welp there's a cinder's chance in a snowstorm this change won't go through.
Shamelessly stole this line,
Alternatively, QFT
One of the bitter points of a good bittervet is the realisation that all those SP don't really do much, and that the newbie is having much more fun with what little he has. - Tippia
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Lugh Crow-Slave
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Posted - 2015.01.17 06:10:18 -
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Mario Putzo wrote:All these folks complaining about losing easy ganks.
To bad you will now have to put effort into it.
Join a corp, become a director, switch option off, gank ceo, steal as much as you can.
Look at my KB look at the alliance i run
I spend all of my energy in eve helping new players, new corps and new CEOs
I don't think this is a bad idea because i enjoy easy kills
I think this is a bad idea because it is not eve.
A corporation isn't just about the chat room ore the lower tax rate its about playing the game with people you trust even knowing they have free rain to screw you over in so many ways. This is something that makes the community, your corp so much more valuable.
Awoxers provide content for themselves and those they awox at the same time remind players that this isn't the type of game where you are 100% safe even from those who fly under your flag. That's not something you can find in any other decent MMO and is unique to eve and echos the spirit of what makes it so great.
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Sladislov
Love Squad
Confederation of xXPIZZAXx
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Posted - 2015.01.17 09:21:20 -
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Donnachadh wrote:Interesting to read since my last post here.
After reading the oft touted meeting minutes on thing is even more clear now than before and to be honest it trumps any thing and every argument we as players could post.
$$$$$
Did I mention cash money.
$$$$$
You know the cold hard real life cash that CCP uses to pay for devs, artists, computers for them, servers for us and the list goes on. Any company that cannot or will not adjust to keep the majority of their paying customers will soon find themselves on the bankrupt and out of business list.
If CCP thinks any in game activity be it high sec AWOXing, suicide ganking or running missions is threatening the real cash bottom line then it needs to be changed removed from the game.
A question and this is hypothetical
You control CCP do you keep high sec AWOXing in game and risk losing the majority of your paying customers?
Or do you remove high sec AWOXing and risk losing a very small minority of your paying players?
To a smart business manager the answer to this one is easy, you cater to the majority and keep them in the game.
Then you take the money you have and work to find ways to give the minority something that will keep them in the game.
If ccp wanted to make big bux they wouldn't have made eve. Eve appeals to a niche group of people (usually older than the average MMO player). Even though there are less people playing eve the playerbase is really loyal (just look at the amount of people older than 5 years or so who are still playing). Barring WoW i dont think i've seen this much player retention in any other mmo.
Would you rather have an interesting game with ~500k active people
or a boring game with 10M active people?
(hint go play world of warcraft)
Maria Dragoon wrote:
And which underlying principle is there to prove? Hmmm? What kind of thought provoking things does this thread provide, what kind of thinking is it pushing by providing no information at all?
God, and before you tell me to stop posting, at least learn to know the difference between "u" and you.
that it stops intra corp agression
Allah, and before you tell me to learn to spell, please learn some reading comprehension, ty
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Director of Silly semantics
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Aiyshimin
Shiva Furnace
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Posted - 2015.01.17 10:04:38 -
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Aran Hotchkiss wrote:
The bulk of the complaints in this thread have been
A) EvE is characterised as a harsh/unforgiving/trial-by-fire game, and this errodes at those attributes
B) Awoxxing to an extent culls (for want of a better word) lazy/inept hi-sec corps that are detrimental to the NPE
A) EVE will be harsh/unforgiving/trial-by-fire game, just a bit harsher and unforgiving for awoxers
B) Disabling awoxing to an extent culls lazy/inept hi-sec wannabe gankers who are detrimental to NPE and OPE |
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