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And just because less people are doing a certain thing does not mean it should be preserved, if the thing itself is being a total dickhead.

Your analogy is both batshit ******** and painfully accurate at the same time btw, too bad you're way too ignorant to figure it out.

Yes instead of providing a good argument just shout ignorance and the discussion is won.

" Just because less people are doing a certain thing does not mean you can just remove something."

Does not mean

"And just because less people are doing a certain thing does not mean it should be preserved"

3/10
please work on your reading comprehension

Good arguments stopped before your ignorant reply.

Making hisec safaries more difficult (no, this change does not prevent it, only means that awoxers need to put in effort and time) concerns a minority group of hisec players, for the benefit of majority of players in hisec and potential subscribers. Since it's in CCP's interests to cater to the needs of the majority in order to keep their business, it's rational and reasonable decision for them.

Hisec awoxing just wasn't good for the game, and that's the long and short if it.

"Good arguments stopped before your ignorant reply."

aka

"haha i didnt even try lololol"

How do you mean it doesnt prevent highsec safari's, they are literally removing corp damage. Only way to kill someone in highsec after the change is wardecs or suicide ganking.

Yes lets benefit the majority, increase mission payouts by 100x making all other professions irrelevant, you only need to care about the majority right?

AWOX started out in amarr militia dunking people in caldari militia because he appears as a purple and used that to his advantage, also only standings loss with caldari (which didn't matter because he was amarr). Where he went after that who knows but it was just another example of poorly thought out game mechanics.

'high sec awoxing' was years overdue for an overhaul, it was basically an exploit.

No, you infiltrate the corp just as before, play your role until you get director role, turn off intra-corp PVP block and then awox. And rob them.

Tell me again, are you using the fact that awoxers are a minority group as an argument defending it's existence? Does this minority aspect apply to other playstyles as well?

Yeah.... Friendly fire should always be a thing. We're playing Eve, not WoW.

yes let me just waste large swathes of my time playing in this corp i dont really want to be in in order to get director maybe some time next year. This is not viable.

I wasnt saying that it being a minority should make it immune to being removed, what i said was ' just because its a minority doesnt mean it can or should be removed so easily '

Why waste your time in a corp that you really don't want to be in? Do something else you like more.

If a change benefits the majority and only presents a minor hindrance to a niche group, then it's a sensible balancing change. I think you agree on that.

Its not a 'minor hindrance' its a complete removal of awox as it is now.

I want to be in the corp to kill their ships

Nobody said that you will be unable to target and fire upon friendly ships when this toggle is turned off. All it does is provoke a CONCORD response.

Furthermore, it's not as if every single highsec corp will turn it off.

Regardless of all that, however, if you're not willing to put in the time and effort for a successful awox, you don't deserve those kills - period.

You can still fire on friendlies in null, low, whs and in hisec corps that allow it.

If you want to do that, don't join hisec corps that don't allow it. Simple as that.

This would remove corp awoxing in nullsec as well as highsec, which I'm sure isn't the intention.

This was announced on stream. The option to disable friendly fire for your corp.


This would remove corp awoxing in nullsec as well as highsec, which I'm sure isn't the intention.

It is the intention, and it's fine.

Corps need more way to protect themselves from awoxing. being paranoid and not letting members in until you know their mother, dog and medical records is not fun.

It especially does not retain new players.

There is ways to grief in EVE, and it's fine. Want to gank someone? Go for it. There is a simple counter to it: Tank your ship and don#t transport to many goods.

Shooting a corp member in space: Not fun, as one can not shield himself against it. there is no counter, except playing alone. Playing alone isn't fun, so people leave.


People need to be able to play together without getting wrecked by a single awoxer 8at least in high sec - if you want to shoot corp mates in low/null, do it, but you can do that after this change anyways).


Awoxing shouldn#t be removed - at least not entirely. But there are forms of awoxing that have gotten way out of control. everything needs to have a counter, and this is a counter against one form of awoxing. If people don't play together, they have little reason to stay in the game.

The over-abundance of awoxing and scamming is what hinders EVE, not what brings it forward.


If you enter low or null sec, you get a warning that it's dangerous. You can balance risk vs. reward. You doN#t need to go there if you doN#t want the risk, and if you go there you can use scouts and prepare yourself against getting killed. Use a covops or ceptor to stay out of trouble, for example.

But getting in a corp to play together with someone else shoud not pose an immediate risk to you. It just drives ppl. away. I know of many ppl who really like EVE, but just want to be able to play together with others, and don't want all that paranoid crap. They all have no problem with risk and wouldn#t mind getting blown up in low or null. But if you can#t even get into a high sec corp to get to know others and find ppl to play with without alway thinking about how you could loose your ship to the corpmate that nearby any moment, then it's not fun anymore, it just drags down.

I don#t say that AWOXing should be impossible. If you give someone access to your corp wallet and he empties it: Your fault. But basic player interaction inside a corp should be possible without any immediate danger.

Currently, it is safer to stay in an NPC corp then tpo go into a player corp. That discourages teamplay. Discouraging teamplay has never been healthy for an MMO, ever.

Lol. The counter to awoxing is to impose artificial restraints on the game is it? ha ha. Not kill the awoxer back?


wow....

As if any of these highsec pubs have ever pvp'd before