Actually Thats agreat Idea a option to reset our skills points they do that in LOL that is why they are so sucessfull maybe CCP should adapt that Businees Model.Sometimes the risky crazy Idea are the best "Fortune favors the Bold"

Fortune favours the smart, it wouldn't help you.

Yes, remove attributes and attribute implants.

Also remove all other implants.
Also remove boosts.

Then engaging a ship comes down to the ships, their fittings, and the players' skills, none of this additional garbage.

Remove ship fitting as well. Just have prefitted, unchangable ships.

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Please just give us all the skills at V so that we never have to log in again and be done with it already! tia

They're all similar to your "New players are affected most adversely by the current system. They are already behind in SP and that will forever be the case unless they purchase a character. To make matters worse, they are in less of a position than older players in being able to afford to replace lost learning implants when podded".

I'll agree that my list is silly, just as your logic is in this regard. That's the point.

It's funny how a quick facts check shows both of you to be amazingly inept at EVE, yet you somehow try to portray yourselves as being capable of knowing what's best for the game.

Skills at Level V Splendid Idea! Next Change: You Buy A Ship Its Unlocked Forever It Gets Destroyed And Spawns Again Just Like Your Clones However Thats For the next thread.

I could fly a thousand poorly fitted Merlins into the abyss and it wouldn't invalidate anything I said. Getting your head around the nature of character progression is one of those things that any moderately educated person could reason about, even if they never played Eve. This has its roots deeper than Eve. The problem is that Eve players have this blind spot; They think their game is so damned special that none of the normal rules apply.

I wasn't making a proposal, I was making a prediction. "Oh", I hear you cry out in contention, "but he's only predicting it because it's a change he wants". Let me be perfectly clear: There are many changes I want that I don't expect to be implemented, usually either because they're outside of the scope of reasonable implementation, or because they're changes with massive rippling effects. This is not one of those. This is a relatively minor change with a fairly positive outcome that CCP have, apparently, already been considering. If a thousand people rose up and screamed and threatened to burn another hole in a statue, they'd probably back off, but nobody's going to do that because most people realize this is a perfectly reasonable change not worth getting upset over.

The kind of people rejecting this are the usual suspects. People with a fear of change, or a fear of "casualization", whatever the hell that even means. My favorite is the "ironic counter-argument" type. You know the one, it usually starts with "yes I agree" and then makes a half-assed attempt to fly down a "slippery slope" that's about as smooth as a gravel pit, usually concluding with "and then everybody gets a Titan and the game becomes Call of Warcraft". If Eve had its own enforced version of Goodwin's Law, these people would immediately be removed from civil discourse. Alas.

No, this will not cripple the risk-reward dynamic. You could probably remove implants and even pods entirely and it still wouldn't cripple the risk-reward dynamic, because the average player is going to lose far more from ship deaths than pod deaths.

You talk a lot but there's not much really happening, you can try and use as much smoke and mirrors as you want to but that doesn't change the fact that it's obvious why you want these changes and thus why you're trying to smooth talk people into accepting the idea.

This is a gem btw: "No, this will not cripple the risk-reward dynamic. You could probably remove implants and even pods entirely and it still wouldn't cripple the risk-reward dynamic, because the average player is going to lose far more from ship deaths than pod deaths"

So with that being the case as you put it, why remove them if it's not a problem?

The idea of being a smoke-and-mirrors smooth-talker is an awesome mental image. I'll take it as a compliment. I choose to picture myself in a tuxedo with a cigar. You will never be able to take this image away from me.

Because you're trying to balance risk/reward when one of the currencies is skill points, and as has already been established, skill points are a finite resource. You can't magic more up, and you can't compensate for potential gain lost. Frankly I'm amazed that Strategic Cruisers are as popular as they are, given that if you lose one you lose SP, but then again I guess it's only SP for Strategic Cruisers, so maybe it balances out. I digress.

When you ask people to choose between suboptimal SP and anything else, they're going to take the anything else. For rich people, this means flying around with +5s, but for less rich people this means sitting in station because they don't want to lose their +5s. It's not really risk reward when the risk outweighs the reward so heavily that nobody takes the risk.

I don't know if you've been paying attention at all but people actually undock, some with +5 others without them.

people accept risk in this pvp centric MMO where consequences can be harsh?

I mean the risk for newer players is MUCH higher with the implant system because we need the speed boost. A set of BASIC +4's runs about 130million. That is insane. Older players don't need that boost. Why make noobs take more risk than older players? It is backwards logic.

I'm not on the team that brought this question up with the CSM, but I do have a question for you.
If your practice, normally, is to spend, say, 50 million ISK for a pod full of implants today, why would that not be your practice tomorrow, if learning implants were to be removed?
Wouldn't you just spend your money on hardwirings instead, and maybe get an even larger edge in combat?
Or, is your concern that learning implants would be viewed by the average player as inherently more valuable than non-learning-implants, so their willingness to spend on their pod decreases?
I ask because it's not evident to me that making skill training speed independent of implants will somehow reduce the overall average value of a pod, or the average risk that a player is willing to take on its contents.

If I am likely to lose the pod, I wear no hardwires and might have some learning implants in, by happenstance as there is a limit to how many jump clones one can have.

If there are no learning implants and only higher stats, I will wear no hardwires and just bank the ISK.

Great, but why? Can you explain your reasoning?

I'm not on the team that brought this question up with the CSM, but I do have a question for you.

If your practice, normally, is to spend, say, 50 million ISK for a pod full of implants today, why would that not be your practice tomorrow, if learning implants were to be removed?

Wouldn't you just spend your money on hardwirings instead, and maybe get an even larger edge in combat?

Or, is your concern that learning implants would be viewed by the average player as inherently more valuable than non-learning-implants, so their willingness to spend on their pod decreases?

I ask because it's not evident to me that making skill training speed independent of implants will somehow reduce the overall average value of a pod, or the average risk that a player is willing to take on its contents.

Great, but why? Can you explain your reasoning?

I use learning implants, but not other ones. To me the learning implants feel like I really need to have them in or I'm gimping myself full time. With other implants if I don't have them I'm only gimping myself for that small fraction of real life time I may be doing that activity.

Combat implants might only be working 1 hour of the week. Fitting implants might benefit me a few hours out of the week. But learning implants are working 24 hours a day, 7 days a week. So it's absolutely insane to not spend 20, 30 or 50 mil on a set when I can earn that in a couple hours of playing.

They're sort of a necessary evil. I don't mind the cost of them. There's a real risk vs reward choice in flying with them. But I don't get all excited over buying and installing them.

I'm not on the team that brought this question up with the CSM, but I do have a question for you.

If your practice, normally, is to spend, say, 50 million ISK for a pod full of implants today, why would that not be your practice tomorrow, if learning implants were to be removed?

Wouldn't you just spend your money on hardwirings instead, and maybe get an even larger edge in combat?

Or, is your concern that learning implants would be viewed by the average player as inherently more valuable than non-learning-implants, so their willingness to spend on their pod decreases?

I ask because it's not evident to me that making skill training speed independent of implants will somehow reduce the overall average value of a pod, or the average risk that a player is willing to take on its contents.