I'm surprised how many "elite" PVPers cling to high sec for easy targets.

I think Low Sec must be pretty broken if it isn't seen as the next step by both them and bears.

Different strokes for different folks, not all PvP is the same in all areas of space; look at the attempts by null entities to get a foothold in wormholes, they had to learn whole new ways of thinking.
I can't speak for hisec PvPers but PvE in lowsec requires effort, something many aren't willing to put in. Even doing PI in lowsec, which I do, requires some planning to get in and out without running gatecamps or being jumped by a NPSI fleet.

I have an alt currently mining in Low Sec, I have been doing it the whole time you have been spouting off all the common misconceptions this game has, its like you are reading them from a book.

Lowsec PVE aversion has nothing to do with effort. It has to do with PVE being a predominantly single player activity and pvp being about who has more ships. Lowsec is run by groups of flashy guys with more ships.

Actually you want to know what Highsec looks like with your friends grand vision for the game... it looks a lot like Lowsec, only worse because there won't be a feed area for fresh targets.

Null Sec done right is actually the safest place to mine.

So in your Eve there is no blobs, Lowsec is full of people making massive isk and highsec gankers live in fear constantly? Ok, got it.

Is that Serenity your playing on or something?

Tranquility. A nice quiet .2, today I got a Garmur BPC, a clone soldier tag and plenty more gnessis in this anomaly than I could mine in a week. Combine that with a level 3 agent a few systems away and I am making pretty good isk for a 3 month old toon.

Sure there is blobs and I take steps to mitigate them, it adds challenge to the game. I currently have a large gnessis anomaly to my self, sure I have to dock up when the blobs come thorough, but once they realize you are paying attention they don't mess with you as they know it is a waste of time.

aka with your intel channels open.

You've been playing a game for years and don't know how it works?

That's pretty much the definition of High Sec. Players in low, null and wormhole space are FORCED to learn the game mechanics because not learning them results in frequent losses. But a player can go years in high sec without having anything bad happen (I know, 8 years of high sec with only two attempted ganks, none successful).

You are feel 'cheated' when you should be feeling a sense of "I need to get better at this game'.

That's one tool that can help, but not essential.

I have an alt mining in Syndicate right now so that character can build a Moros for me.

Just a Procurer. Nothing else.

I havent asked CCP to do anything for me. I also disagree with suicide ganking as the most punished activity, Macro Mining is. But that is a different activity all together.

Tell me, why is it ok for a -10 to goons not be able to dock at their stations in null but it is ok for a -10 to all of empire be able to dock anywhere they want in empire?

When was the last time you had to activly protect your high sec station of choice from a supercap fleet? Corp standings are not the same as security standings.

So why do faction police try and kill you in highsec? You do know how faction/corp standings relationship works right? You are no longer welcome in highsec, shouldn't matter if its Royal Khanid Navy or Impetus, all corporations get their standings from the factions and those factions have deemed you KOS.

And?

Those are NPC navies not players, we dont attack said NPCs just pod pilots who are neutral to said navies. All you plan would do is punish people who pvp in lowsec, gankers would just use a neutral orca or bowhead. well done. Once again the bears demand a nerf that hurts everyone but doesnt get he results they want.

The amount of trying to convince the game population that you guys mine in low/null and therefore deserve to desecrate the highsec population at will is startling.

Them sounds like fighting words.

Ok.

Left jab

Right hook

For the knockout punch, go check my killboard. You'll find I'm not a highsec ganker at all.

And you could check mine and see I never had a freighter ganked... what does that have to do with your toxic view for an anarchist view of how eve should be?

I don't need to check yours. I not accusing you of anything.

But, what vision is that I am supposed to hold that is toxic and anarchist?

What is wrong with a view that everyone has a right to play the style of game they want and if that involves interaction with other players, we are all able to take care of our own problems without calling for CCP to take care of them like little children.

So far you are 0-2. Where are you going to change the argument to next? Rather than just acknowledging that you've been wrong in your accusations and accepting that gankers have just as mugh right to play in this game as you do.

I am not wrong in anything. You want limitless interaction.

How would a -10 being unable to establish medical clones in highsec hurt regular players? Spin that for me please?

The bulk of -10s are people who pvp in lowsec. You are effectivly locking these people out of highsec and making their ability to replace their ships much harder in an attempt to stop gankers who would adapt anyway. When I gank in highsec my clone is still set to nullsec.

Your nerf will impact the wrong people.

Them sounds like fighting words.

Ok.

Left jab

Right hook

For the knockout punch, go check my killboard. You'll find I'm not a highsec ganker at all. But I certainly agree with them and anyone (like Jenn aside) that think that no play style is above any other and no play style should be nerfed because of the endless whinging of others.

I might come and join you mining.

2. It is total BS to think/claim that ganking random EMPTY or very low value cargo carrying freighters has a potential for profit, it's griefing.

so i was ganked in hi sec yesterday by 3 destroyers...even with all my drones trained to Adv.
l5 and a fleet t2 shield harmony boost plus all the fleets drones set to guard my ship...i lost the attack. My fleet boosters drones did'nt even respond to the attack but just before that they responded to some rats that came in. After i lost my ship i docked at the station and thats where the gankers went also, they sure enjoyed making fun in local so i set it up so anyone i my corp could kill them. Well that did'nt work either, as soon as my corp member undocked and seen them he locked on and fired but was destroyed by concord. He tried to dock when they started shooting but got the message ( docking not allowed because he agressed another pilot or something) i guess this game is set up to make no sense to me at all. i checked under my killrights and it was set so anyone in my corp could kill but it did'nt work and so another ship was lost. All i wanted to do was mine alittle in hisec but might be better off in lowsec for all the good it did me. anyone else feeling cheated lately ? Wish i could just once feel like my time and training was worth all the years invested in this game . FEELING RIPPED OFF...Cheers