Acctually we did alpha cruisers, the change was they added more hp to all hulls to make fights last longer.

Right now ganking is at its lowest point, costs more than ever before, requires more people than ever before and targets have more defensive options than ever before.

That is just plain untrue. Yes hulls got a buff, so did weapons. In particular alpha weapons got huge buffs. Catalyst today puts out more DPS than ever before, and ganks now only require one guy and two alts.

But you can cherry pick the changes to the game all you want, popular opinion isn't going to change, people don't like being ganked and they sure as heck don't want it any easier for you to do so.

Weapons have not been buffed to anywhere near the level they used to have. Catalysts dont put out even close to the firepower we used to use when we had the gankageddon. They are also not get close to the firepower of the insured battleships we used to use.

The only person trying to cherry pick here is you.

BS

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Never could we see 34k dps from a ship that costs so little. Destroyers throwing out 12k. Buffs to weapons have been massive, and in the days you could tank concord there wasn't T2 anything, so you weren't anywhere close to these numbers, nor was there as much target opportunity.

There used to be no stacking penalties or tracking. My vindicators firepower is dwarfed by what an old gankageddon could put out. The cavelry raven would out punch a ******* deadnought.

Concord is not shouldering it's responsibility in this matter, making the whole Concord concept quite the hazy lie.

If a disillusioned juvenile decides to attack and destroy a peaceful miner, then they should be made to reimburse the victim for the full cost of ship, cargo and fitting. This should only be possible by having all activity's but mining locked out to them, so that moneys owed to the victim would need to be earned by mining.

A victim support program, if you will.

How fun it would be to watch them working their little butts off to pay me back, what they took from me.

In the times you are talking about a Geddon cost more than anyone would be willing to suicide in. You either never played back then, or you are distorting your nostalgia for the point of your argument.

they didnt have to suicide gank back then because the damn things could tank concord.

CONCORD does exactly what it is supposed to do, and with greater efficiency than they used to.
Unlike a condom, they are not there for protection. They punish after the fact.

So again, we are back to your vision of eve is to make the entire game Amamake... which means no one left to shoot and as boring as low sec is today.

Why should you be able to tank concord?

Yet again you miss the point.

You said you are not safer from ganks. I just gave you several example showing how you are very wrong.

Except you just said it wasnt a gank back then because you could tank concord... That is just low-sec pvp at that point.

Which means you are a lot safer now than back then.

The only victims are the victims of their own poor judgement, lack of teamwork, failure to maintain situational awareness, and of course, laziness. *shrug*

Well considering in 2004 no one could gank my freighter because... oh wait

Well considering in 2004 no one could gank my freighter because... oh wait

I really don't know why CCP are messing about at. They should just get on with it and sack Concord and turn the game into one glorious free-for-all gank fest, after all, this is what CCP and the majority of the players want anyway.

Its not what we want. All we want is for the nerfs to stop.

so i was ganked in hi sec yesterday by 3 destroyers...even with all my drones trained to Adv.
l5 and a fleet t2 shield harmony boost plus all the fleets drones set to guard my ship...i lost the attack. My fleet boosters drones did'nt even respond to the attack but just before that they responded to some rats that came in. After i lost my ship i docked at the station and thats where the gankers went also, they sure enjoyed making fun in local so i set it up so anyone i my corp could kill them. Well that did'nt work either, as soon as my corp member undocked and seen them he locked on and fired but was destroyed by concord. He tried to dock when they started shooting but got the message ( docking not allowed because he agressed another pilot or something) i guess this game is set up to make no sense to me at all. i checked under my killrights and it was set so anyone in my corp could kill but it did'nt work and so another ship was lost. All i wanted to do was mine alittle in hisec but might be better off in lowsec for all the good it did me. anyone else feeling cheated lately ? Wish i could just once feel like my time and training was worth all the years invested in this game . FEELING RIPPED OFF...Cheers

Snowflower. Justice has been brought upon you. Don't take it personally, Players living in High Sec are far too many and divide Eve Fun. For a sandbox to work, all secure systems (aside one for newbies with a maximum skillpoint) should disappear. Miners would have to take risks or pay a corporation for protection. Thus creating need, thus creating sand in the box.

I'm not a huge fan of the highsec grief crowd.

They have no interest in the isk value of what they destroy. There joy comes from upsetting others.

I honestly think most players in EVE have no clue on what a sandbox actually is.

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Honestly, I'd love to see the SWG neutral/covert/overt system here, so people who don't care about PVP can just opt out altogether and anyone left will be a willing (and hopefully competent) opponent.

would you prefer for the nerfs to stop and more people stop playing the game and eventually we have no game?

tell me the risks you have from suiciding 30 catalysts to kill 7-8bil worth of freighter? doesnt matter how well you tank anything if you want it dead then its dead.