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SnowFlower Crendraven
BoosterJuice Mining
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Posted - 2015.02.16 14:28:07 -
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so i was ganked in hi sec yesterday by 3 destroyers...even with all my drones trained to l5 and a fleet t2 shield harmony boost plus all the fleets drones set to guard my ship...i lost the attack. My fleet boosters drones did'nt even respond to there attack but just before that they responded to some rats that came in. After i lost my ship i docked at the station and thats where the gankers went also, they sure enjoyed making fun in local so i set it up so anyone i my corp could kill them. Well that did'nt work either, as soon as my corp member undocked and seen them he locked on and fired but was destroyed by concord. He tried to dock when they started shooting but got the message ( docking not allowed because he agressed another pilot or something) i guess this game is set up to make no sense to me at all. i checked under my killrights and it was set so anyone in my corp could kill but it did'nt work and so another ship was lost. All i wanted to do was mine alittle in hisec but might be better off in lowsec for all the good it did me. anyone else feeling cheated lately ? Wish i could just once feel like my time and training was worth all the years invested in this game . FEELING RIPPED OFF...Cheers |
Agondray
Avenger Mercenaries
VOID Intergalactic Forces
194
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Posted - 2015.02.16 14:34:22 -
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SnowFlower Crendraven wrote:so i was ganked in hi sec yesterday by 3 destroyers...even with all my drones trained to l5 and a fleet t2 shield harmony boost plus all the fleets drones set to guard my ship...i lost the attack. My fleet boosters drones did'nt even respond to there attack but just before that they responded to some rats that came in. After i lost my ship i docked at the station and thats where the gankers went also, they sure enjoyed making fun in local so i set it up so anyone i my corp could kill them. Well that did'nt work either, as soon as my corp member undocked and seen them he locked on and fired but was destroyed by concord. He tried to dock when they started shooting but got the message ( docking not allowed because he agressed another pilot or something) i guess this game is set up to make no sense to me at all. i checked under my killrights and it was set so anyone in my corp could kill but it did'nt work and so another ship was lost. All i wanted to do was mine alittle in hisec but might be better off in lowsec for all the good it did me. anyone else feeling cheated lately ? Wish i could just once feel like my time and training was worth all the years invested in this game . FEELING RIPPED OFF...Cheers
Did your corpmate activate the Killright? ganker destroyers pack a lot of dps in a small ship, and your lucky it wasn't something like a brutix as a lot don't care as long as they get the kill to prove a point. Nothing you can do mining will ward them off, ive seen mining battleships and tanked orcas ganked and such, ganking patrols have made mining sites worthless.
They are a Disease that believe they are doing the galaxy good by killing people that try and contribute to society and they will come up with any excuse to attack someone that's not shooting someone else
"Sarcasm is the Recourse of a weak mind." -Dr. Smith
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Amrthis
Intent Unspecified
Fatal Ascension
7
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Posted - 2015.02.16 14:40:06 -
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yeah high sec is dangerous, and hulks are just so damned easy to gank. i feel so happy i moved out of there long before this ganking thing really became so popular.
come on you know they dont think they are doing good thats just trolling |
Intar Medris
Hellbound Turkeys
Alliance of Abandoned Cybernetic Rejects
223
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Posted - 2015.02.16 14:42:49 -
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Question what was the tank on your ship? We're you flying a Hulk? No tank and flying a Hulk is asking to be ganked. Hell even with a tank a Hulk might as well be made of paper.
I try to be nice and mind my business just shooting lasers at rocks. There is just way too many asshats in New Eden for that to happen.
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Aralyn Cormallen
Wildly Inappropriate
Goonswarm Federation
735
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Posted - 2015.02.16 14:44:52 -
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SnowFlower Crendraven wrote: My fleet boosters drones did'nt even respond to there attack but just before that they responded to some rats that came in.
They wont. Although your fleet booster had "permission" to engage (as the gankers were criminal flagged), his drones would not automatically engage, as doing so would open up a limited engagement between your booster and the gankers, enabling them to freely "defend themselves". Granted, in this case it wouldn't have mattered as Concord was inbound from the gank, the game goes out of its way to protect you from accidentally opening yourself up to limited engagements.
Quote:so i set it up so anyone i my corp could kill them. Well that did'nt work either, as soon as my corp member undocked and seen them he locked on and fired but was destroyed by concord
If your friend didn't activate the killright, the engagement isn't authorised.
Quote:He tried to dock when they started shooting but got the message ( docking not allowed because he agressed another pilot or something)
Once you intiate aggression you are locked out of stations, and prevented from using gates for a minute (that minute starts when you stop engaging) |
Shin Jan
Pator Tech School
Minmatar Republic
14
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Posted - 2015.02.16 14:49:22 -
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Snowflower. Justice has been brought upon you. Don't take it personally, Players living in High Sec are far too many and divide Eve Fun. For a sandbox to work, all secure systems (aside one for newbies with a maximum skillpoint) should disappear. Miners would have to take risks or pay a corporation for protection. Thus creating need, thus creating sand in the box. |
Jenn aSide
Smokin Aces.
9792
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Posted - 2015.02.16 14:49:54 -
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SnowFlower Crendraven wrote:so i was ganked in hi sec yesterday by 3 destroyers...even with all my drones trained to l5 and a fleet t2 shield harmony boost plus all the fleets drones set to guard my ship...i lost the attack. My fleet boosters drones did'nt even respond to there attack but just before that they responded to some rats that came in. After i lost my ship i docked at the station and thats where the gankers went also, they sure enjoyed making fun in local so i set it up so anyone i my corp could kill them. Well that did'nt work either, as soon as my corp member undocked and seen them he locked on and fired but was destroyed by concord. He tried to dock when they started shooting but got the message ( docking not allowed because he agressed another pilot or something) i guess this game is set up to make no sense to me at all. i checked under my killrights and it was set so anyone in my corp could kill but it did'nt work and so another ship was lost. All i wanted to do was mine alittle in hisec but might be better off in lowsec for all the good it did me. anyone else feeling cheated lately ? Wish i could just once feel like my time and training was worth all the years invested in this game . FEELING RIPPED OFF...Cheers
You've been playing a game for years and don't know how it works?
That's pretty much the definition of High Sec. Players in low, null and wormhole space are FORCED to learn the game mechanics because not learning them results in frequent losses. But a player can go years in high sec without having anything bad happen (I know, 8 years of high sec with only two attempted ganks, none successful).
You are feel 'cheated' when you should be feeling a sense of "I need to get better at this game'.
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SnowFlower Crendraven
BoosterJuice Mining
0
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Posted - 2015.02.16 15:12:28 -
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thanks for all the responses, I like to here from other players on this. |
Ned Thomas
Hellbound Turkeys
Alliance of Abandoned Cybernetic Rejects
886
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Posted - 2015.02.16 15:13:17 -
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The drones on a Coveter/Retriever/Hulk/Mackinaw aren't going to be killing much more than belt rats. At max skills you'll be doing around 100ish dps with a flight of T2 Hobs. A Skiff with a T2 drone damage amp will do around 185ish dps with max skills and T2 hobs and that still won't be killing much on it's own.
Just FYI.
Vote Sabriz!
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Crumplecorn
Eve Cluster Explorations
1984
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Posted - 2015.02.16 15:18:04 -
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Pretty much this
Witty Image - Stream
Not Liking this post hurts my RL feelings and will be considered harassment
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Jenn aSide
Smokin Aces.
9795
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Posted - 2015.02.16 15:20:53 -
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SnowFlower Crendraven wrote:thanks for all the responses, I like to here from other players on this. I really don't know all the game mechanic's and now that i see its rigged to pamper the players that can't seem to find others to fight fair I've decided to quit mining . CHEERS
Cheers to you mate. If someone can chase you out of a video game activity , you probably shouldn't have been doing that activity (or playing that game...or using the internet) in the 1st place.
The game isn't rigged to cater to anyone...except smart people over...less smart people. Your options are quit or be less 'less mart' lol.
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Ralph King-Griffin
Lords.Of.Midnight
The Devil's Warrior Alliance
8966
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Posted - 2015.02.16 15:27:01 -
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Hahaha
(Gê¬n++Gê¬)
"I'm also quite confident that you are laughing
and it's the kind of laugh that gives normal people shivers."
=]I[=
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Ned Thomas
Hellbound Turkeys
Alliance of Abandoned Cybernetic Rejects
887
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Posted - 2015.02.16 15:37:48 -
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Also, if you're going to do the drone bunny thing in a mining fleet, keep in mind that you'll need some kind of offensive module on your ship (i.e. a warp disruptor) because afaik your drones engaging something won't cause the rest of the fleets drones to move in. And if you go that route, make sure that the thing you shoot is legal to shoot, else you get your entire fleet concorded.
Vote Sabriz!
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Dradis Aulmais
RW Vindicator Connection
Phoebe Freeport Republic
688
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Posted - 2015.02.16 16:10:38 -
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The game mechanics worked fine. Your ignorance is what killed you. Here's a site that will help you find what you need to know www.google.com it magically searchs the whole world and brings you what information you seek. I suggest you look up high sec ganking survival and kill right mechanics.
Can I haz your stuff?
CSM 10: Mike Azariah, Sugar Kyle, Chance Ravinne, Jenshae chrioptera
Do No Vote For: Tora Bushido, Bobmon
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Pok Nibin
Filial Pariahs
498
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Posted - 2015.02.16 18:00:02 -
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*dodges onslaught of "EVE ain't safe nowheres*
You were just a victim of "content creation". You weren't creating content by playing. Nooooo. THEY were creating content by ganking you. It's how CCP welcomed the WoW refugees. CCP is the only one that did. All other games in the world just told them to learn this isn't WoW. But, ganking in the minds of CCP is some sort of genius on the fly.
One has to wonder. Not about gankers. We all know what they are, but CCP....then, I digress.
Sorry for your loss. You'll know better now. To all others. Don't come in here and speak about it! Free speech here means, any criticism of this infantile idiocy means you'll be accused of being a VICTIM! YES! It's true! In fact,
consider GD the grease trap of the internet....that little crook in your sink drain..
Dont fight it; Rejoin your Amarrian patriarchs; You know you want to.
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Jenn aSide
Smokin Aces.
9800
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Posted - 2015.02.16 18:06:45 -
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Pok Nibin wrote:*dodges onslaught of "EVE ain't safe nowheres*
You were just a victim of "content creation". You weren't creating content by playing. Nooooo. THEY were creating content by ganking you. It's how CCP welcomed the WoW refugees. CCP is the only one that did. All other games in the world just told them to learn this isn't WoW. But, ganking in the minds of CCP is some sort of genius on the fly.
One has to wonder. Not about gankers. We all know what they are, but CCP....then, I digress.
Sorry for your loss. You'll know better now. To all others. Don't come in here and speak about it! Free speech here means, any criticism of this infantile idiocy means you'll be accused of being a VICTIM! YES! It's true! In fact,
consider GD the grease trap of the internet....that little crook in your sink drain..
I've met crime victims that weren't as angry as this guy is about a video game.
If you don't like EVE, it's community or CCP, what does that make you for paying for it (as you obviously are seeing as how you can post here)?
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Orlacc
788
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Posted - 2015.02.16 18:14:28 -
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Good thing this is not a redundant thread.
"Measure Twice, Cut Once."
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Unsuccessful At Everything
The Troll Bridge
19847
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Posted - 2015.02.16 18:20:19 -
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SnowFlower Crendraven wrote: All i wanted to do was mine alittle in hisec but might be better off in lowsec for all the good it did me.
I see that you got the message. It usually takes two or three rounds, you are smarter than the average bear.
Highsec isn't safe, only safer.
Lets look at this like a learning experience shall we? What else did you learn? How can you avoid this in the future?
If you didn't learn anything from this, then the failure isn't on CCP or the gankers, it is on you.
Dont be AFK. Fly tanked Hulks/Skiffs vs Covy/Hulks. Fit tank modules vs yield modules. Don't be AFK. Talk nice in local. Keep an eye on local/d-scan. Don't be AFK. Learn about highsec combat mechanics. Don't be AFK.
Since the cessation of their usefulness is imminent, may I appropriate your belongings?
Vote Sabriz Adoudel for CSM 10!
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Scipio Artelius
The Vendunari
End of Life
33120
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Posted - 2015.02.16 18:31:03 -
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OP, here's a link that will help you and your corp mates understand killrights better:
https://wiki.eveonline.com/en/wiki/Kill_rights
In relation to your choice to stop mining. I assume up to this point playing eve for several years in highsec that this is the first time you've been ganked? If that's correct, doesn't that show you not how dangerous highsec is, but how generally safe it is? If you've only been killed once in several years of play, there's not a lot of risk and no real need to change your play if you don't want to.
Come Win At Eve - Join The Vendunari
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Vultaras
Thera Space Industries
3
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Posted - 2015.02.16 18:31:51 -
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I'll be short: EVE is all about blowing ships, no matter when and where, but you are going to lose ships. So you adapt or Quit EvE .
Advice: enjoy sandbox and learn .
Safe flying to you!
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Ralph King-Griffin
Lords.Of.Midnight
The Devil's Warrior Alliance
8967
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Posted - 2015.02.16 18:32:00 -
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Pok Nibin wrote:*dodges onslaught of "EVE ain't safe nowheres*
You were just a victim of "content creation". You weren't creating content by playing. Nooooo. THEY were creating content by ganking you. It's how CCP welcomed the WoW refugees. CCP is the only one that did. All other games in the world just told them to learn this isn't WoW. But, ganking in the minds of CCP is some sort of genius on the fly.
One has to wonder. Not about gankers. We all know what they are, but CCP....then, I digress.
Sorry for your loss. You'll know better now. To all others. Don't come in here and speak about it! Free speech here means, any criticism of this infantile idiocy means you'll be accused of being a VICTIM! YES! It's true! In fact,
consider GD the grease trap of the internet....that little crook in your sink drain..
Here, take two of these and Call me in the morning.
"I'm also quite confident that you are laughing
and it's the kind of laugh that gives normal people shivers."
=]I[=
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Ptraci
3 R Corporation
The Irukandji.
1912
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Posted - 2015.02.16 18:34:45 -
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You'd be safer mining in nullsec OP. For a given value of "safe". You don't get ganked, ever, because you never ever mine with someone in system with you. Of course you'll die getting there, and you'll die getting your ore back. And you'll die flying to and from your mining system or going on shopping trips. But the actual mining - well, you'll be perfectly safe. Provided the rats don't get you... |
Cannibal Kane
Blood Raiders Elite
4743
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Posted - 2015.02.16 18:50:18 -
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SnowFlower Crendraven wrote:thanks for all the responses, I like to here from other players on this. I really don't know all the game mechanic's and now that i see its rigged to pamper the players that can't seem to find others to fight fair I've decided to quit mining . CHEERS
That right there might be the wrong attitude.
People like me home in on these kind of ******** responses.
"Kane is the End Boss of Highsec." -Psychotic Monk
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Damjan Fox
Fox Industries and Exploration
93
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Posted - 2015.02.16 18:53:12 -
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@SnowFlower Crendraven
Looking on your killboard, i can't find the kill you are talking about. So i can't tell, how good/bad your fit was. But judging by your previous losses (i admit, they were some time ago, so maybe you learned a few things) i tend to believe, that mistakes were made.
- Fly tanked Procurers/Skiffs.
- Set known gankers to bad standing and always keep an eye on local list.
- Don't mine AFK.
Furthermore: Learn the basic game mechanis! This can save your a.. not just while mining, but in every other situation, too.
Your corpmate lost his ship, becasue he didn't activate the killright, before shooting the target.
Eve still is a PVP game and you should have an according mindset. Instead of rage-quitting after one lost ship, you should see every ship loss as a chance to learn from your mistakes and become better at the game.
Regards,
Damjan |
Jenn aSide
Smokin Aces.
9801
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Posted - 2015.02.16 18:57:29 -
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Cannibal Kane wrote:SnowFlower Crendraven wrote:thanks for all the responses, I like to here from other players on this. I really don't know all the game mechanic's and now that i see its rigged to pamper the players that can't seem to find others to fight fair I've decided to quit mining . CHEERS That right there might be the wrong attitude. People like me home in on these kind of ******** responses.
It ain't just you. I have yet to meet a 'carebear' (whether they pve or pvp) who understands that their behavior is what draws gankers (and scammers and afk cloakers and awoxxers) to therm like flies.
I PVE at will across New Eden and don't get F'd with, then I come to these forums and watch people cry about getting F'd with when they made themselves targets.
It's annoying as hell, I'm not working magic when i keep myself safe from 'bad guys' in EVE, i simply learned the game's mechanics (and observed the behaviors of people who would try to kill me) and keep from being a victim. If doing that is hard in a video game, how do these people survive in the real world at all?
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Cannibal Kane
Blood Raiders Elite
4744
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Posted - 2015.02.16 19:03:10 -
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Jenn aSide wrote:Cannibal Kane wrote:SnowFlower Crendraven wrote:thanks for all the responses, I like to here from other players on this. I really don't know all the game mechanic's and now that i see its rigged to pamper the players that can't seem to find others to fight fair I've decided to quit mining . CHEERS That right there might be the wrong attitude. People like me home in on these kind of ******** responses. It ain't just you. I have yet to meet a 'carebear' (whether they pve or pvp) who understands that their behavior is what draws gankers (and scammers and afk cloakers and awoxxers) to therm like flies. I PVE at will across New Eden and don't get F'd with, then I come to these forums and watch people cry about getting F'd with when they made themselves targets. It's annoying as hell, I'm not working magic when i keep myself safe from 'bad guys' in EVE, i simply learned the game's mechanics (and observed the behaviors of people who would try to kill me) and keep from being a victim. If doing that is hard in a video game, how do these people survive in the real world at all?
It was said EVE MMO players are considered more intelligent then the rest. Well... I honestly believe 98% of EVE is no more than two steps away from 'You aint got no legs Lt Dan."
"Kane is the End Boss of Highsec." -Psychotic Monk
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Ned Thomas
Hellbound Turkeys
Alliance of Abandoned Cybernetic Rejects
891
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Posted - 2015.02.16 19:06:01 -
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Cannibal Kane wrote:Jenn aSide wrote:Cannibal Kane wrote:SnowFlower Crendraven wrote:thanks for all the responses, I like to here from other players on this. I really don't know all the game mechanic's and now that i see its rigged to pamper the players that can't seem to find others to fight fair I've decided to quit mining . CHEERS That right there might be the wrong attitude. People like me home in on these kind of ******** responses. It ain't just you. I have yet to meet a 'carebear' (whether they pve or pvp) who understands that their behavior is what draws gankers (and scammers and afk cloakers and awoxxers) to therm like flies. I PVE at will across New Eden and don't get F'd with, then I come to these forums and watch people cry about getting F'd with when they made themselves targets. It's annoying as hell, I'm not working magic when i keep myself safe from 'bad guys' in EVE, i simply learned the game's mechanics (and observed the behaviors of people who would try to kill me) and keep from being a victim. If doing that is hard in a video game, how do these people survive in the real world at all? It was said EVE MMO players are considered more intelligent then the rest. Well... I honestly believe 98% of EVE is no more than two steps away from 'You aint got no legs Lt Dan."
I am the 98%........
Vote Sabriz!
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Ralph King-Griffin
Lords.Of.Midnight
The Devil's Warrior Alliance
8968
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Posted - 2015.02.16 19:07:04 -
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Cannibal Kane wrote:Jenn aSide wrote:Cannibal Kane wrote:SnowFlower Crendraven wrote:thanks for all the responses, I like to here from other players on this. I really don't know all the game mechanic's and now that i see its rigged to pamper the players that can't seem to find others to fight fair I've decided to quit mining . CHEERS That right there might be the wrong attitude. People like me home in on these kind of ******** responses. It ain't just you. I have yet to meet a 'carebear' (whether they pve or pvp) who understands that their behavior is what draws gankers (and scammers and afk cloakers and awoxxers) to therm like flies. I PVE at will across New Eden and don't get F'd with, then I come to these forums and watch people cry about getting F'd with when they made themselves targets. It's annoying as hell, I'm not working magic when i keep myself safe from 'bad guys' in EVE, i simply learned the game's mechanics (and observed the behaviors of people who would try to kill me) and keep from being a victim. If doing that is hard in a video game, how do these people survive in the real world at all? It was said EVE MMO players are considered more intelligent then the rest. Well... I honestly believe 98% of EVE is no more than two steps away from 'You aint got no legs Lt Dan."
we have our own class of moron here
"I'm also quite confident that you are laughing
and it's the kind of laugh that gives normal people shivers."
=]I[=
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Jenn aSide
Smokin Aces.
9801
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Posted - 2015.02.16 19:10:17 -
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Cannibal Kane wrote:Jenn aSide wrote:Cannibal Kane wrote:SnowFlower Crendraven wrote:thanks for all the responses, I like to here from other players on this. I really don't know all the game mechanic's and now that i see its rigged to pamper the players that can't seem to find others to fight fair I've decided to quit mining . CHEERS That right there might be the wrong attitude. People like me home in on these kind of ******** responses. It ain't just you. I have yet to meet a 'carebear' (whether they pve or pvp) who understands that their behavior is what draws gankers (and scammers and afk cloakers and awoxxers) to therm like flies. I PVE at will across New Eden and don't get F'd with, then I come to these forums and watch people cry about getting F'd with when they made themselves targets. It's annoying as hell, I'm not working magic when i keep myself safe from 'bad guys' in EVE, i simply learned the game's mechanics (and observed the behaviors of people who would try to kill me) and keep from being a victim. If doing that is hard in a video game, how do these people survive in the real world at all? It was said EVE MMO players are considered more intelligent then the rest. Well... I honestly believe 98% of EVE is no more than two steps away from 'You aint got no legs Lt Dan."
You damn near made me fall out of my chair laughing and I (or rather my ass) NEED(s)s that chair 
But i agree it does feel that way sometimes. I remind myself often that the complainers (like the 'bad guys they complain about) are a tiny minority of the game, most players are good-ish players and take care of themselves well.
Still, That loud minority of "wahhh I'm a victim in a video game, CCP fix it for me" is F%^!@#$ annoying.
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Frostys Virpio
The Mjolnir Bloc
The Bloc
1590
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Posted - 2015.02.16 19:10:34 -
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Cannibal Kane wrote:Jenn aSide wrote:Cannibal Kane wrote:SnowFlower Crendraven wrote:thanks for all the responses, I like to here from other players on this. I really don't know all the game mechanic's and now that i see its rigged to pamper the players that can't seem to find others to fight fair I've decided to quit mining . CHEERS That right there might be the wrong attitude. People like me home in on these kind of ******** responses. It ain't just you. I have yet to meet a 'carebear' (whether they pve or pvp) who understands that their behavior is what draws gankers (and scammers and afk cloakers and awoxxers) to therm like flies. I PVE at will across New Eden and don't get F'd with, then I come to these forums and watch people cry about getting F'd with when they made themselves targets. It's annoying as hell, I'm not working magic when i keep myself safe from 'bad guys' in EVE, i simply learned the game's mechanics (and observed the behaviors of people who would try to kill me) and keep from being a victim. If doing that is hard in a video game, how do these people survive in the real world at all? It was said EVE MMO players are considered more intelligent then the rest. Well... I honestly believe 98% of EVE is no more than two steps away from 'You aint got no legs Lt Dan."
It was said by the game community who is biased toward itself. Every single MMO I played have it's playerbase bitching how other game's playerbase is **** and how the one they play is so much better because :reasons:. |
Jenn aSide
Smokin Aces.
9801
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Posted - 2015.02.16 19:15:01 -
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Frostys Virpio wrote:
It was said by the game community who is biased toward itself. Every single MMO I played have it's playerbase bitching how other game's playerbase is **** and how the one they play is so much better because :reasons:.
It works in reverse too, some people think the EVE community and forums are 'horrible', but those people have probably never played a Call of Duty pick up session on XBox live with 12 year old misogynistic racists.
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Frostys Virpio
The Mjolnir Bloc
The Bloc
1590
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Posted - 2015.02.16 19:19:03 -
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Jenn aSide wrote:Frostys Virpio wrote:
It was said by the game community who is biased toward itself. Every single MMO I played have it's playerbase bitching how other game's playerbase is **** and how the one they play is so much better because :reasons:.
It works in reverse too, some people think the EVE community and forums are 'horrible', but those people have probably never played a Call of Duty pick up session on XBox live with 12 year old misogynistic racists.
Of course it works both way. There are idiots in each community just like there are people who think themselves as the second coming everywhere and people who are actually above average in each camp too. |
Ned Thomas
Hellbound Turkeys
Alliance of Abandoned Cybernetic Rejects
892
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Posted - 2015.02.16 19:21:26 -
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The misogynists in Eve are much more well refined.
Vote Sabriz!
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Ralph King-Griffin
Lords.Of.Midnight
The Devil's Warrior Alliance
8969
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Posted - 2015.02.16 19:25:50 -
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Ned Thomas wrote:The misogynists in Eve are much more well refined.
Nah, just bigger vocabularys 
"I'm also quite confident that you are laughing
and it's the kind of laugh that gives normal people shivers."
=]I[=
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admiral root
Red Galaxy
2360
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Posted - 2015.02.16 19:27:08 -
[35] - Quote
SnowFlower Crendraven wrote:thanks for all the responses, I like to here from other players on this. I really don't know all the game mechanic's and now that i see its rigged to pamper the players that can't seem to find others to fight fair I've decided to quit mining . CHEERS
With such an obvious troll OP, you should have waited before posting this. Going to have to adjust your score accordingly from 3/10 to 0/10. Must try harder.
No, your rights end in optimal+2*falloff | No-one hates you, none of us care enough for that.
Sabriz for CSM
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Orlacc
789
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Posted - 2015.02.16 19:28:29 -
[36] - Quote
Ned Thomas wrote:The misogynists in Eve are much more well refined.
I am a misanthrope, not a misogynist!
"Measure Twice, Cut Once."
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Paranoid Loyd
3885
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Posted - 2015.02.16 19:40:15 -
[37] - Quote
Yarr 
"Gankers are just other players, not supernatural monsters who will get you if you don't follow some arbitrary superstition. Haul responsibly and without irrational fear." Masao Kurata
Fix the Prospect!!!
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Rowells
ANZAC ALLIANCE
Fidelas Constans
1997
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Posted - 2015.02.16 20:00:29 -
[38] - Quote
Ralph King-Griffin wrote:Ned Thomas wrote:The misogynists in Eve are much more well refined. Nah, just bigger vocabularys
And hairier. |
Malcanis
Vanishing Point.
The Initiative.
16122
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Posted - 2015.02.16 20:01:08 -
[39] - Quote
SnowFlower Crendraven wrote:thanks for all the responses, I like to here from other players on this. I really don't know all the game mechanic's and now that i see its rigged to pamper the players that can't seem to find others to fight fair I've decided to quit mining . CHEERS
Always nice to see a bro make it out of the trial!
"It is difficult to get a man to understand something, when his ISK/hr depends upon his not understanding it!"
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Eugene Kerner
TunDraGon
Cynosural Field Theory.
1522
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Posted - 2015.02.16 20:30:47 -
[40] - Quote
SnowFlower Crendraven wrote:so i was ganked in hi sec yesterday by 3 destroyers...even with all my drones trained to Adv.
l5 and a fleet t2 shield harmony boost plus all the fleets drones set to guard my ship...i lost the attack. My fleet boosters drones did'nt even respond to the attack but just before that they responded to some rats that came in. After i lost my ship i docked at the station and thats where the gankers went also, they sure enjoyed making fun in local so i set it up so anyone i my corp could kill them. Well that did'nt work either, as soon as my corp member undocked and seen them he locked on and fired but was destroyed by concord. He tried to dock when they started shooting but got the message ( docking not allowed because he agressed another pilot or something) i guess this game is set up to make no sense to me at all. i checked under my killrights and it was set so anyone in my corp could kill but it did'nt work and so another ship was lost. All i wanted to do was mine alittle in hisec but might be better off in lowsec for all the good it did me. anyone else feeling cheated lately ? Wish i could just once feel like my time and training was worth all the years invested in this game . FEELING RIPPED OFF...Cheers
rofl
TunDraGon is recruiting!
"Also, your boobs [:o] " -á
CCP Eterne, 2012
"When in doubt...make a di++k joke."-áRobin Williams - RIP
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Dradis Aulmais
RW Vindicator Connection
Phoebe Freeport Republic
688
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Posted - 2015.02.16 20:36:44 -
[41] - Quote
Ok let's look at the score card.
Judges....
8.9. 9.9 ooo and 4.3 from the Russians
Yep congrats op you fail
CSM 10: Mike Azariah, Sugar Kyle, Chance Ravinne, Jenshae chrioptera
Do No Vote For: Tora Bushido, Bobmon
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Kaarous Aldurald
Sebiestor Tribe
Minmatar Republic
11801
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Posted - 2015.02.16 20:47:21 -
[42] - Quote
Well, at least he's stopped mining.
"Verily, I have often laughed at the weaklings who thought themselves good because they had no claws."
One of ours, ten of theirs.
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Ned Thomas
Hellbound Turkeys
Alliance of Abandoned Cybernetic Rejects
894
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Posted - 2015.02.16 20:56:02 -
[43] - Quote
Kaarous Aldurald wrote:Well, at least he's stopped mining.
Damn.....how can I build my ships now??????
Vote Sabriz!
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Kaarous Aldurald
Sebiestor Tribe
Minmatar Republic
11802
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Posted - 2015.02.16 20:57:36 -
[44] - Quote
Ned Thomas wrote:Kaarous Aldurald wrote:Well, at least he's stopped mining. Damn.....how can I build my ships now??????
Idk, guess our whole game falls apart because miners are like, (how does this bullshit go? ) the lynchpin of the game, and the only reason any of us PvP folks can play the game in any way, or something.
"Verily, I have often laughed at the weaklings who thought themselves good because they had no claws."
One of ours, ten of theirs.
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Unsuccessful At Everything
The Troll Bridge
19851
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Posted - 2015.02.16 21:04:55 -
[45] - Quote
Kaarous Aldurald wrote:Ned Thomas wrote:Kaarous Aldurald wrote:Well, at least he's stopped mining. Damn.....how can I build my ships now?????? Idk, guess our whole game falls apart because miners are like, (how does this bullshit go? ) the lynchpin of the game, and the only reason any of us PvP folks can play the game in any way, or something.
"without us miners, you wouldn't have any ships to PvP in". One of my favorite bingo squares.
Since the cessation of their usefulness is imminent, may I appropriate your belongings?
Vote Sabriz Adoudel for CSM 10!
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Drez Arthie
Center for Advanced Studies
Gallente Federation
18
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Posted - 2015.02.16 21:07:32 -
[46] - Quote
OP, try mining mission belts, and warp out the instant anyone else appears on your grid. For added safety, find two celestials in nearly opposite directions in your belt, alternate aligning to them back and forth as you mine, and you can instantly warp out at any moment. Finally, mine in a low population hi sec system as far from Jita as possible. |
Kaarous Aldurald
Sebiestor Tribe
Minmatar Republic
11803
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Posted - 2015.02.16 21:07:55 -
[47] - Quote
Unsuccessful At Everything wrote:Kaarous Aldurald wrote:Ned Thomas wrote:Kaarous Aldurald wrote:Well, at least he's stopped mining. Damn.....how can I build my ships now?????? Idk, guess our whole game falls apart because miners are like, (how does this bullshit go? ) the lynchpin of the game, and the only reason any of us PvP folks can play the game in any way, or something. "without us miners, you wouldn't have any ships to PvP in". One of my favorite bingo squares.
I honestly think that most of them don't realize just how much Tritanium is in circulation these days.
"Verily, I have often laughed at the weaklings who thought themselves good because they had no claws."
One of ours, ten of theirs.
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Unsuccessful At Everything
The Troll Bridge
19852
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Posted - 2015.02.16 21:16:17 -
[48] - Quote
Kaarous Aldurald wrote:Unsuccessful At Everything wrote:"without us miners, you wouldn't have any ships to PvP in". One of my favorite bingo squares. I honestly think that most of them don't realize just how much Tritanium is in circulation these days.
Or how often the loot fairy decides to gift us with large portions of it..
Since the cessation of their usefulness is imminent, may I appropriate your belongings?
Vote Sabriz Adoudel for CSM 10!
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Kaarous Aldurald
Sebiestor Tribe
Minmatar Republic
11803
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Posted - 2015.02.16 21:33:31 -
[49] - Quote
Unsuccessful At Everything wrote:Kaarous Aldurald wrote:Unsuccessful At Everything wrote:"without us miners, you wouldn't have any ships to PvP in". One of my favorite bingo squares. I honestly think that most of them don't realize just how much Tritanium is in circulation these days. Or how often the loot fairy decides to gift us with large portions of it..
Or how much isn't circulating, but being stockpiled. Or just how much of it goes to capital ship proliferation.
"Verily, I have often laughed at the weaklings who thought themselves good because they had no claws."
One of ours, ten of theirs.
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malcovas Henderson
THoF
338
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Posted - 2015.02.16 21:50:53 -
[50] - Quote
Jenn aSide wrote:Cannibal Kane wrote:SnowFlower Crendraven wrote:thanks for all the responses, I like to here from other players on this. I really don't know all the game mechanic's and now that i see its rigged to pamper the players that can't seem to find others to fight fair I've decided to quit mining . CHEERS That right there might be the wrong attitude. People like me home in on these kind of ******** responses. It ain't just you. I have yet to meet a 'carebear' (whether they pve or pvp) who understands that their behavior is what draws gankers (and scammers and afk cloakers and awoxxers) to therm like flies. I PVE at will across New Eden and don't get F'd with, then I come to these forums and watch people cry about getting F'd with when they made themselves targets. It's annoying as hell, I'm not working magic when i keep myself safe from 'bad guys' in EVE, i simply learned the game's mechanics (and observed the behaviors of people who would try to kill me) and keep from being a victim. If doing that is hard in a video game, how do these people survive in the real world at all?
I am the same. I have mined almost my entire career, weather null sec / worm hole, or hi sec. I look after my assets as best I can. I run at the the slightest hint of danger :), but I also do not paint a target on my back.
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Zeko Rena
ENCOM Industries
2970
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Posted - 2015.02.16 22:10:56 -
[51] - Quote
I mine sometimes just to **** people off. |
Lil' Brudder Too
Pistols for Pandas
84
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Posted - 2015.02.16 23:16:19 -
[52] - Quote
Intar Medris wrote:Question what was the tank on your ship? We're you flying a Hulk? No tank and flying a Hulk is asking to be ganked. Hell even with a tank a Hulk might as well be made of paper.
The Hulk actually has the worst tank of the T2 miners....plus the fact that even having full on max tank the likelyhood of a hulk surviving 3 cata's is rather low. There is a reason those guys use more than a single cata to shoot stuff...b/c they like to make sure it dies.
Even if he was using a properly fitted Mack, they would have just brought in 1-2 more cata's. Though i haven't seen many skiffs getting ganked, but you sacrifice A LOT of yield to sit in a max tank Skiff, compared to a Hulk.
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Eodin Orlenard
The Scope
Gallente Federation
0
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Posted - 2015.02.16 23:25:48 -
[53] - Quote
High-sec gankers have become a plague in New Eden. But I will say something for them, they have given me quite the realization... EVE is not the game for me.
I have.... had hope for humanity, but seriously, this game has ruined that for me. To think there are that many people like that living out our planet. It honestly sickens me. |
Paranoid Loyd
3893
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Posted - 2015.02.16 23:27:59 -
[54] - Quote
Eodin Orlenard wrote:High-sec gankers have become a plague in New Eden. But I will say something for them, they have given me quite the realization... EVE is not the game for me.
I have.... had hope for humanity, but seriously, this game has ruined that for me. To think there are that many people like that living out our planet. It honestly sickens me.
This is a video game, not real life, it sickens me you can't tell the difference.
"Gankers are just other players, not supernatural monsters who will get you if you don't follow some arbitrary superstition. Haul responsibly and without irrational fear." Masao Kurata
Fix the Prospect!!!
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Altirius Saldiaro
Royal Amarr Institute
Amarr Empire
293
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Posted - 2015.02.16 23:29:59 -
[55] - Quote
SnowFlower Crendraven wrote:so i was ganked in hi sec yesterday by 3 destroyers...even with all my drones trained to Adv.
l5 and a fleet t2 shield harmony boost plus all the fleets drones set to guard my ship...i lost the attack. My fleet boosters drones did'nt even respond to the attack but just before that they responded to some rats that came in. After i lost my ship i docked at the station and thats where the gankers went also, they sure enjoyed making fun in local so i set it up so anyone i my corp could kill them. Well that did'nt work either, as soon as my corp member undocked and seen them he locked on and fired but was destroyed by concord. He tried to dock when they started shooting but got the message ( docking not allowed because he agressed another pilot or something) i guess this game is set up to make no sense to me at all. i checked under my killrights and it was set so anyone in my corp could kill but it did'nt work and so another ship was lost. All i wanted to do was mine alittle in hisec but might be better off in lowsec for all the good it did me. anyone else feeling cheated lately ? Wish i could just once feel like my time and training was worth all the years invested in this game . FEELING RIPPED OFF...Cheers
Highsec is designed to cater to all the griefing mongaloids that can't cut it in low, null or w-space.
You're better off leaving empire space as soon as you can. |
Juno Rook
Perkone
Caldari State
2
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Posted - 2015.02.16 23:40:40 -
[56] - Quote
I consider myself to be a very casual player compared to other EVE players. I also have not been playing very long.
Even I know, in the short time I've been playing, how things work.
When you undock in EVE you've already been killed, it just takes time to catch up to you. That is how the game is played and it's what makes the game so exciting.
I totally suck at pvp so I stick to mining and pve. Even then I still get a thrill by just being out in the "sandbox" knowing that a moment of inattention can cause my death.
Never AFK and get better or don't play. The choice is yours.
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Harrison Tato
Yamato Holdings
288
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Posted - 2015.02.16 23:49:56 -
[57] - Quote
Paranoid Loyd wrote:Eodin Orlenard wrote:High-sec gankers have become a plague in New Eden. But I will say something for them, they have given me quite the realization... EVE is not the game for me.
I have.... had hope for humanity, but seriously, this game has ruined that for me. To think there are that many people like that living out our planet. It honestly sickens me. This is a video game, not real life, it sickens me you can't tell the difference.
I think he means that knowing that some people get their kicks ruining the fun of others playing a game make him sick. I don't think he is having trouble distinguishing reality from EvE Online. I am not sure why getting blown up by pirates makes mining less fun though. I would think that trying not to get blown up would be the biggest fun one could have while mining.
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Paranoid Loyd
3893
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Posted - 2015.02.16 23:56:52 -
[58] - Quote
Harrison Tato wrote:Paranoid Loyd wrote:Eodin Orlenard wrote:High-sec gankers have become a plague in New Eden. But I will say something for them, they have given me quite the realization... EVE is not the game for me.
I have.... had hope for humanity, but seriously, this game has ruined that for me. To think there are that many people like that living out our planet. It honestly sickens me. This is a video game, not real life, it sickens me you can't tell the difference. I think he means that knowing that some people get their kicks ruining the fun of others playing a game make him sick. I don't think he is having trouble distinguishing reality from EvE Online. I am not sure why getting blown up by pirates makes mining less fun though. I would think that trying not to get blown up would be the biggest fun one could have while mining.
You can go ahead and interpret it like that but I disagree, the fact that he would base his "hope for humanity" on actions in a game designed to be nothing like real life is the sickening part.
"Gankers are just other players, not supernatural monsters who will get you if you don't follow some arbitrary superstition. Haul responsibly and without irrational fear." Masao Kurata
Fix the Prospect!!!
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Harrison Tato
Yamato Holdings
288
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Posted - 2015.02.17 00:01:54 -
[59] - Quote
Paranoid Loyd wrote:Harrison Tato wrote:Paranoid Loyd wrote:Eodin Orlenard wrote:High-sec gankers have become a plague in New Eden. But I will say something for them, they have given me quite the realization... EVE is not the game for me.
I have.... had hope for humanity, but seriously, this game has ruined that for me. To think there are that many people like that living out our planet. It honestly sickens me. This is a video game, not real life, it sickens me you can't tell the difference. I think he means that knowing that some people get their kicks ruining the fun of others playing a game make him sick. I don't think he is having trouble distinguishing reality from EvE Online. I am not sure why getting blown up by pirates makes mining less fun though. I would think that trying not to get blown up would be the biggest fun one could have while mining. You can go ahead and interpret it like that but I disagree, the fact that he would base his "hope for humanity" on actions in a game designed to be nothing like real life is the sickening part.
You gotta admit. Geeks who try to make other geeks feel bad when they blow up their "space ship" is pretty sad. |
Zeko Rena
ENCOM Industries
2975
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Posted - 2015.02.17 00:04:59 -
[60] - Quote
Paranoid Loyd wrote:Harrison Tato wrote:Paranoid Loyd wrote:Eodin Orlenard wrote:High-sec gankers have become a plague in New Eden. But I will say something for them, they have given me quite the realization... EVE is not the game for me.
I have.... had hope for humanity, but seriously, this game has ruined that for me. To think there are that many people like that living out our planet. It honestly sickens me. This is a video game, not real life, it sickens me you can't tell the difference. I think he means that knowing that some people get their kicks ruining the fun of others playing a game make him sick. I don't think he is having trouble distinguishing reality from EvE Online. I am not sure why getting blown up by pirates makes mining less fun though. I would think that trying not to get blown up would be the biggest fun one could have while mining. You can go ahead and interpret it like that but I disagree, the fact that he would base his "hope for humanity" on actions in a game designed to be nothing like real life is the sickening part.
You'll get over it eventually. |
Unsuccessful At Everything
The Troll Bridge
19857
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Posted - 2015.02.17 00:13:00 -
[61] - Quote
Eodin Orlenard wrote:High-sec gankers have become a plague in New Eden. But I will say something for them, they have given me quite the realization... EVE is not the game for me.
I have.... had hope for humanity, but seriously, this game has ruined that for me. To think there are that many people like that living out our planet. It honestly sickens me.
Go play RUST.
All your notions about the goodness in humanity go out the window when your naked neighbor smashes your head in with a rock, squats in your house and uses your own campfire to cook your harvested flesh for a snack while he loots your ****.
Since the cessation of their usefulness is imminent, may I appropriate your belongings?
Vote Sabriz Adoudel for CSM 10!
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Scipio Artelius
The Vendunari
End of Life
33122
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Posted - 2015.02.17 00:18:37 -
[62] - Quote
Harrison Tato wrote:I think he means that knowing that some people get their kicks ruining the fun of others playing a game make him sick.
People aren't getting their kicks out of ruining other people's fun. They are getting their kicks by having fun themselves.
That having fun involves blowing things up doesn't mean they have anything against the other person. It's just a game.
Come Win At Eve - Join The Vendunari
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Paranoid Loyd
3893
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Posted - 2015.02.17 00:18:53 -
[63] - Quote
Harrison Tato wrote:Paranoid Loyd wrote:Harrison Tato wrote:Paranoid Loyd wrote:Eodin Orlenard wrote:High-sec gankers have become a plague in New Eden. But I will say something for them, they have given me quite the realization... EVE is not the game for me.
I have.... had hope for humanity, but seriously, this game has ruined that for me. To think there are that many people like that living out our planet. It honestly sickens me. This is a video game, not real life, it sickens me you can't tell the difference. I think he means that knowing that some people get their kicks ruining the fun of others playing a game make him sick. I don't think he is having trouble distinguishing reality from EvE Online. I am not sure why getting blown up by pirates makes mining less fun though. I would think that trying not to get blown up would be the biggest fun one could have while mining. You can go ahead and interpret it like that but I disagree, the fact that he would base his "hope for humanity" on actions in a game designed to be nothing like real life is the sickening part. You gotta admit. Geeks who try to make other geeks feel bad when they blow up their "space ship" is pretty sad.
What's sad is becoming emotionally attached to space pixels and QQing when they blowup, especially when said space pixels are in a game where they are designed to blow up or the game stagnates.
I don't extract tears but if they flow naturally, I won't do much to stop them unless the player demonstrates a desire to learn. The fact of the matter is some are either too entitled or ignorant to realize that protecting your assets is one of the parts of playing the game. If you don't protect your things they will be taken from you.
That being said, as of late most of my victims have been quite curious as to how to avoid what happens to them. I have had more respectful inquiries about staying safe than tear-mails.
"Gankers are just other players, not supernatural monsters who will get you if you don't follow some arbitrary superstition. Haul responsibly and without irrational fear." Masao Kurata
Fix the Prospect!!!
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Paranoid Loyd
3894
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Posted - 2015.02.17 00:47:57 -
[64] - Quote
^Prime example of someone who can't separate reality from video games.
"Gankers are just other players, not supernatural monsters who will get you if you don't follow some arbitrary superstition. Haul responsibly and without irrational fear." Masao Kurata
Fix the Prospect!!!
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Market McSelling Alt
Bernie Madoff Investment Services LLC
54
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Posted - 2015.02.17 00:49:24 -
[65] - Quote
Paranoid Loyd wrote:^Prime example of someone who can't separate reality from video games.
I didn't make any claims or assumptions about your personal life... simply pointing out the psychological argument you are applying to in-game activities. Can't handle the criticism, go to the WoW forums where my post would have been moderated. |
Paranoid Loyd
3894
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Posted - 2015.02.17 00:54:55 -
[66] - Quote
Market McSelling Alt wrote:Paranoid Loyd wrote:^Prime example of someone who can't separate reality from video games. I didn't make any claims or assumptions about your personal life... simply pointing out the psychological argument you are applying to in-game activities. Can't handle the criticism, go to the WoW forums where my post would have been moderated.
I didn't say you made any claims. The fact that you used real life analogies to equate what I said is why you are a prime example.
"Gankers are just other players, not supernatural monsters who will get you if you don't follow some arbitrary superstition. Haul responsibly and without irrational fear." Masao Kurata
Fix the Prospect!!!
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Scipio Artelius
The Vendunari
End of Life
33122
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Posted - 2015.02.17 00:56:17 -
[67] - Quote
Market McSelling Alt wrote:Coming from the guy who just five posts ago lied to everyone on this forum by claiming that the gankers in highsec are not in it for the fun of knocking down the fat kid on the playground... One of us better be kidding.
Hahaha. Lol.
You got me. People aren't playing this game to have fun at all. How wrong of me.
But at least quote me properly. I said they are not ganking in order to ruin the other person's fun, just to have fun themselves, in a game that involves shooting things.
Come Win At Eve - Join The Vendunari
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ISD Decoy
ISD Community Communications Liaisons
386
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Posted - 2015.02.17 00:57:12 -
[68] - Quote
Quote:2. Be respectful toward others at all times.
The purpose of the EVE Online forums is to provide a platform for exchange of ideas, and a venue for the discussion of EVE Online. Occasionally there will be conflicts that arise when people voice opinions. Forum users are expected to be courteous when disagreeing with others.
27. Off-topic posting is prohibited.
Off-topic posting is permitted within reason, as sometimes a single comment may color or lighten the tone of discussion. However, excessive posting of off-topic remarks in an attempt to derail a thread may result in the thread being locked, or a forum warning being issued to the off-topic poster.
I have removed a few posts. Please stay on topic and respectful.
ISD Decoy
Commander
Community Communication Liaisons (CCLs)
Interstellar Services Department
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Concord Guy's Cousin
State War Academy
Caldari State
637
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Posted - 2015.02.17 03:00:50 -
[69] - Quote
Juno Rook wrote:I consider myself to be a very casual player compared to other EVE players. I also have not been playing very long.
Even I know, in the short time I've been playing, how things work.
When you undock in EVE you've already been killed, it just takes time to catch up to you. That is how the game is played and it's what makes the game so exciting.
I totally suck at pvp so I stick to mining and pve. Even then I still get a thrill by just being out in the "sandbox" knowing that a moment of inattention can cause my death.
Never AFK and get better or don't play. The choice is yours.
You'll do well here, not exploding because you were paying attention is as much PvP as shooting the person who wasn't paying attention in the face.
Paranoid Loyd wrote:That being said, as of late most of my victims have been quite curious as to how to avoid what happens to them. I have had more respectful inquiries about staying safe than tear-mails. They're doing it right, fair play to them.
ISD LackOfFaith ~ "Your Catalyst was a hamster, and your Retriever smelt of elderberries"
NPC Forum Alt, because reasons.
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MPaladin
Omega Dawn Corp
10
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Posted - 2015.02.17 04:11:47 -
[70] - Quote
SnowFlower Crendraven wrote:thanks for all the responses, I like to here from other players on this. I really don't know all the game mechanic's and now that i see its rigged to pamper the players that can't seem to find others to fight fair I've decided to quit mining . CHEERS
You don't give up mining. What you do have to give up, is the illusion that Hi-Sec is safe. What a lot of Hi-Sec corps need to learn, is to start treating the mining belts like they Low Sec or Null Sec. And start providing cover for the mining operations. That means putting people near the gates watching for known gankers entering the system, having combat ships in the belts with the miners to protect the mining ships.
The thing is once you stop providing easy targets, the gankers will move on to something else. |
Market McSelling Alt
Bernie Madoff Investment Services LLC
55
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Posted - 2015.02.17 04:19:36 -
[71] - Quote
MPaladin wrote:SnowFlower Crendraven wrote:thanks for all the responses, I like to here from other players on this. I really don't know all the game mechanic's and now that i see its rigged to pamper the players that can't seem to find others to fight fair I've decided to quit mining . CHEERS You don't give up mining. What you do have to give up, is the illusion that Hi-Sec is safe. What a lot of Hi-Sec corps need to learn, is to start treating the mining belts like they Low Sec or Null Sec. And start providing cover for the mining operations. That means putting people near the gates watching for known gankers entering the system, having combat ships in the belts with the miners to protect the mining ships. The thing is once you stop providing easy targets, the gankers will move on to something else.
But the reason gankers pick highsec is because it is safe for them. See there is little consequence for their actions, and little that can be done against someone who warps off in his pod and boards a dropped ship the moment before their attack.
Gankers dont go to lowsec, the pirates would kill them, Gankers dont go to Nullsec, the alliances would get them and intel would scare off their targets. And gankers dont go to WH's because they wouldn't know who was coming for them. They are the McDonalds of pvp... sure its food, but just barely and no one is going to try and make it what it isn't. |
Concord Guy's Cousin
State War Academy
Caldari State
638
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Posted - 2015.02.17 04:36:16 -
[72] - Quote
Market McSelling Alt wrote:But the reason gankers pick highsec is because it is safe for them. Gankers pick hisec because the pickings are plentiful and the herd is collectively dumb. The few that do take steps to protect themselves are irrelevant in the face of mass ignorance and complacency or apathy.
Quote:See there is little consequence for their actions, and little that can be done against someone who warps off in his pod and boards a dropped ship the moment before their attack. This kind of thinking is why people fail at combatting gankers. There is plenty of information available on the forums about how to combat gankers, both passively and actively.
Quote:Gankers dont go to lowsec, the pirates would kill them, Gankers dont go to Nullsec, the alliances would get them and intel would scare off their targets. And gankers dont go to WH's because they wouldn't know who was coming for them. You are aware that a sizable percentage of hisec gankers actively participate in nullsec, lowsec and wormholes PvP too aren't you?
Quote:They are the McDonalds of pvp... sure its food, but just barely and no one is going to try and make it what it isn't. How so? Just like players everywhere, they're making the best of the mechanics available to them, to work within the rules to play the game the way they want to.
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Market McSelling Alt wrote:MPaladin wrote:SnowFlower Crendraven wrote:thanks for all the responses, I like to here from other players on this. I really don't know all the game mechanic's and now that i see its rigged to pamper the players that can't seem to find others to fight fair I've decided to quit mining . CHEERS You don't give up mining. What you do have to give up, is the illusion that Hi-Sec is safe. What a lot of Hi-Sec corps need to learn, is to start treating the mining belts like they Low Sec or Null Sec. And start providing cover for the mining operations. That means putting people near the gates watching for known gankers entering the system, having combat ships in the belts with the miners to protect the mining ships. The thing is once you stop providing easy targets, the gankers will move on to something else. But the reason gankers pick highsec is because it is safe for them. See there is little consequence for their actions, and little that can be done against someone who warps off in his pod and boards a dropped ship the moment before their attack. Gankers dont go to lowsec, the pirates would kill them, Gankers dont go to Nullsec, the alliances would get them and intel would scare off their targets. And gankers dont go to WH's because they wouldn't know who was coming for them. They are the McDonalds of pvp... sure its food, but just barely and no one is going to try and make it what it isn't.
You cant suicide gank in lowsec, the targets all live in highsec and if the consequences are so low then I guess you wont mind having all of them also apply to when you mine a rock or shoot an NPC.
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Concord Guy's Cousin wrote:Market McSelling Alt wrote:But the reason gankers pick highsec is because it is safe for them. Gankers pick hisec because the pickings are plentiful and the herd is collectively dumb. Quote:See there is little consequence for their actions, and little that can be done against someone who warps off in his pod and boards a dropped ship the moment before their attack. This kind of thinking is why people fail at combatting gankers. There is plenty of information available on the forums about how to combat gankers, both passively and actively. Quote:Gankers dont go to lowsec, the pirates would kill them, Gankers dont go to Nullsec, the alliances would get them and intel would scare off their targets. And gankers dont go to WH's because they wouldn't know who was coming for them. You are aware that a sizable percentage of hisec gankers actively participate in nullsec, lowsec and wormholes PvP too aren't you? Quote:They are the McDonalds of pvp... sure its food, but just barely and no one is going to try and make it what it isn't. How so? Just like players everywhere, they're making the best of the mechanics available to them, to work within the rules to play the game the way they want to.
There is more nullsec pve activity per player than highsec, but there is no way for me to objectively define which group of players is more "dumb" than the other
There is nothing of consequence to fighting gankers, their ships are cheap, their pods are worthless and their sec statis is always low and un-deterring
Prove that gankers actually go to low or null. You can't, and I can't prove they don't. Their actions speak for themselves. If PVP was so much more plentiful in null, and they were looking for PVP, then why do they hang out in highsec?
You apply this logic to carebears and pve and you now see why the argument you ganker types make is ridiculous. Both groups try to play the game, one group tries to push the limits to make the other suffer. While ganking serves a purpose, so does carebearing. You won't see the virtues of their play, we don't see the virtues of yours. |
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baltec1 wrote:Market McSelling Alt wrote:MPaladin wrote:SnowFlower Crendraven wrote:thanks for all the responses, I like to here from other players on this. I really don't know all the game mechanic's and now that i see its rigged to pamper the players that can't seem to find others to fight fair I've decided to quit mining . CHEERS You don't give up mining. What you do have to give up, is the illusion that Hi-Sec is safe. What a lot of Hi-Sec corps need to learn, is to start treating the mining belts like they Low Sec or Null Sec. And start providing cover for the mining operations. That means putting people near the gates watching for known gankers entering the system, having combat ships in the belts with the miners to protect the mining ships. The thing is once you stop providing easy targets, the gankers will move on to something else. But the reason gankers pick highsec is because it is safe for them. See there is little consequence for their actions, and little that can be done against someone who warps off in his pod and boards a dropped ship the moment before their attack. Gankers dont go to lowsec, the pirates would kill them, Gankers dont go to Nullsec, the alliances would get them and intel would scare off their targets. And gankers dont go to WH's because they wouldn't know who was coming for them. They are the McDonalds of pvp... sure its food, but just barely and no one is going to try and make it what it isn't. You cant suicide gank in lowsec, the targets all live in highsec and if the consequences are so low then I guess you wont mind having all of them also apply to when you mine a rock or shoot an NPC.
That is absurd. Why should I suffer consequences for gameplay I don't choose to participate in. Yes suicide ganking has little consequence, but what in this world makes you think I should suffer the same to mine some veld? |
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Market McSelling Alt wrote:baltec1 wrote:Market McSelling Alt wrote:MPaladin wrote:SnowFlower Crendraven wrote:thanks for all the responses, I like to here from other players on this. I really don't know all the game mechanic's and now that i see its rigged to pamper the players that can't seem to find others to fight fair I've decided to quit mining . CHEERS You don't give up mining. What you do have to give up, is the illusion that Hi-Sec is safe. What a lot of Hi-Sec corps need to learn, is to start treating the mining belts like they Low Sec or Null Sec. And start providing cover for the mining operations. That means putting people near the gates watching for known gankers entering the system, having combat ships in the belts with the miners to protect the mining ships. The thing is once you stop providing easy targets, the gankers will move on to something else. But the reason gankers pick highsec is because it is safe for them. See there is little consequence for their actions, and little that can be done against someone who warps off in his pod and boards a dropped ship the moment before their attack. Gankers dont go to lowsec, the pirates would kill them, Gankers dont go to Nullsec, the alliances would get them and intel would scare off their targets. And gankers dont go to WH's because they wouldn't know who was coming for them. They are the McDonalds of pvp... sure its food, but just barely and no one is going to try and make it what it isn't. You cant suicide gank in lowsec, the targets all live in highsec and if the consequences are so low then I guess you wont mind having all of them also apply to when you mine a rock or shoot an NPC. That is absurd. Why should I suffer consequences for gameplay I don't choose to participate in. Yes suicide ganking has little consequence, but what in this world makes you think I should suffer the same to mine some veld?
Because you are spouting rubbish. Suicide ganking is the single most punished activity in EVE and given your reaction to what I said you know that what you said was a lie. The simple fact here is that you cannot be bothered to protect yourself so you as CCP to do it for you.
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This thread makes me want to vote for Tora
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Market McSelling Alt
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baltec1 wrote:
Because you are spouting rubbish. Suicide ganking is the single most punished activity in EVE and given your reaction to what I said you know that what you said was a lie. The simple fact here is that you cannot be bothered to protect yourself so you as CCP to do it for you.
I havent asked CCP to do anything for me. I also disagree with suicide ganking as the most punished activity, Macro Mining is. But that is a different activity all together.
Tell me, why is it ok for a -10 to goons not be able to dock at their stations in null but it is ok for a -10 to all of empire be able to dock anywhere they want in empire? |
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Market McSelling Alt wrote:Tell me, why is it ok for a -10 to goons not be able to dock at their stations in null but it is ok for a -10 to all of empire be able to dock anywhere they want in empire?
Because sov owners own the stations.
Capsuleers don't own the stations in highsec, lowsec or NPC null..
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Scipio Artelius wrote:Market McSelling Alt wrote:Tell me, why is it ok for a -10 to goons not be able to dock at their stations in null but it is ok for a -10 to all of empire be able to dock anywhere they want in empire? Because sov owners own the stations. Capsuleers don't own the stations in highsec or lowsec.
No, but those guys chasing you everywhere shooting you in highsec do... so why would they let you hide in their stations? |
Concord Guy's Cousin
State War Academy
Caldari State
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Market McSelling Alt wrote:There is more nullsec pve activity per player than highsec, but there is no way for me to objectively define which group of players is more "dumb" than the other I wouldn't know tbh, but would like to see your data. By the herd being collectively dumb I meant that for the most part they may as well be NPCs.They certainly act like them right up until they start screaming about how it's unfair.
Quote:There is nothing of consequence to fighting gankers, their ships are cheap, their pods are worthless and their sec statis is always low and un-deterring Who said anything about fighting, denying them kills is just as much PvP as getting them; combatting gankers doesn't need guns, it requires a little knowledge, some forethought and planning.
Quote:Prove that gankers actually go to low or null. You can't, and I can't prove they don't. Their actions speak for themselves. If PVP was so much more plentiful in null, and they were looking for PVP, then why do they hang out in highsec? Some of it is commerce raiding, an ancient form of economic warfare. Nullsec entities use alts to haul their stuff from Jita, if you're ar at war with a nullsec corp, you hit their supply chain in hisec where its vulnerable, denying them supplies. As for gankers going to low or null, where do you think MiniLuv come from? Looks at the alliances and corps of some of the pro suicide gank posters, then look at their killboards.
CODE. are having a lot of fun RPing cultist extortionists and pirates, nothing wrong with that; it's not like they even make a dent on hisec traffic or miners.
Quote:You apply this logic to carebears and pve and you now see why the argument you ganker types make is ridiculous.
Both groups try to play the game, one group tries to push the limits to make the other suffer. While ganking serves a purpose, so does carebearing. You won't see the virtues of their play, we don't see the virtues of yours. Umm I happen to be a bear, I don't participate in ganking. I mine, I mission, I do some PI, I trade, I sneak into wormholes and hope nobody wakes up while I'm stealing their rats. Other players, including gankers and other purveyors of fine hisec shenanigans are my content, just as I am content for them.
I certainly do see the virtues of a PvE playstyle, and follow it. However, I also see the virtues of a hisec PvP playstyle; that I currently choose to follow one over the other is neither here nor there.
You'll find many gankers also have PvE alts, some in nullsec, some in hisec. They see the virtues of a PvE playstyle, I bet most of them fit tanks and don't go afk in space though.
Appreciating the virtues of one doesn't mean you can't appreciate the other too.
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Posted - 2015.02.17 05:16:33 -
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Market McSelling Alt wrote:No, but those guys chasing you everywhere shooting you in highsec do... so why would they let you hide in their stations?
Let who. Me? Because I'm a friendly guy and I pay my taxes like everyone else I guess.
Don't know really. I don't bother myself with NPCs too much.
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There would probably be less ganking if there were viable alternatives to it.
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Vultaras wrote:I'll be short: EVE is all about blowing ships, no matter when and where, ... ... but they don't fit in my big mouth! 
Sent the OP a mail with some direction on how to ruin ganker's days.
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Concord Guy's Cousin
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Vimsy Vortis wrote:There would probably be less ganking if there were viable alternatives to it.
There aren't. I'm surprised more mercs haven't turned to it tbh. I know that there's a steady supply of idiots that think it's ok to sail into a trade hub or up a pipe with a wardec, but given how trivial it is to shed one these days I'd guess that many of your targets just reroll the corp or drop to NPC for the duration.
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Jenshae Chiroptera
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Posted - 2015.02.17 05:27:31 -
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Concord Guy's Cousin wrote:Vimsy Vortis wrote:There would probably be less ganking if there were viable alternatives to it.
There aren't. I'm surprised more mercs haven't turned to it tbh. I know that there's a steady supply of idiots that think it's ok to sail into a trade hub or up a pipe with a wardec, but given how trivial it is to shed one these days I'd guess that many of your targets just reroll the corp or drop to NPC for the duration. I'm surprised how many "elite" PVPers cling to high sec for easy targets.
I think Low Sec must be pretty broken if it isn't seen as the next step by both them and bears.
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Market McSelling Alt
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Posted - 2015.02.17 05:30:14 -
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Jenshae Chiroptera wrote:Concord Guy's Cousin wrote:Vimsy Vortis wrote:There would probably be less ganking if there were viable alternatives to it.
There aren't. I'm surprised more mercs haven't turned to it tbh. I know that there's a steady supply of idiots that think it's ok to sail into a trade hub or up a pipe with a wardec, but given how trivial it is to shed one these days I'd guess that many of your targets just reroll the corp or drop to NPC for the duration. I'm surprised how many "elite" PVPers cling to high sec for easy targets. I think Low Sec must be pretty broken if it isn't seen as the next step by both them and bears.
There is no reason to go to low sec. Part time players like High sec and all the isk is in Null and WHs... Lowsec has nothing to offer players that aren't gatecampers. |
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Posted - 2015.02.17 05:35:03 -
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Concord Guy's Cousin wrote:Vimsy Vortis wrote:There would probably be less ganking if there were viable alternatives to it.
There aren't. I'm surprised more mercs haven't turned to it tbh. I know that there's a steady supply of idiots that think it's ok to sail into a trade hub or up a pipe with a wardec, but given how trivial it is to shed one these days I'd guess that many of your targets just reroll the corp or drop to NPC for the duration.
It's very uncommon for someone to roll their corp if they've already gone though the effort to declare war on your client. They're also unlikely to do so if they own a dozen POCOs.
Mercenaries are being paid by people to do the things they do. And people very rarely want to pay you to suicide gank someone. |
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Market McSelling Alt wrote:There is no reason to go to low sec. Part time players like High sec and all the isk is in Null and WHs... Lowsec has nothing to offer players that aren't gatecampers. Yup.
Discussion today went along these lines:
- Low Sec could have some Faction NPCs that come and assist the side that is attacked first, picks up corp, alliance and fleet, repairs a bit and can be destroyed. Mechanics based on standing.
- What about the Faction Warefare people that like it how it is now?
- The what? 6% who have so many systems? I think they could have a few "war frontier systems" that cater to them. There also needs to be less penalty for aggressing in low sec, security status.
- Low Sec and High Sec should be distinctly different. Not a gradual slide.
- If it isn't seen as a next step then it is fundementally flawed.
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Cannibal Kane wrote:SnowFlower Crendraven wrote:thanks for all the responses, I like to here from other players on this. I really don't know all the game mechanic's and now that i see its rigged to pamper the players that can't seem to find others to fight fair I've decided to quit mining . CHEERS That right there might be the wrong attitude. People like me home in on these kind of ******** responses.
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Posted - 2015.02.17 05:42:05 -
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Jenshae Chiroptera wrote:Concord Guy's Cousin wrote:Vimsy Vortis wrote:There would probably be less ganking if there were viable alternatives to it.
There aren't. I'm surprised more mercs haven't turned to it tbh. I know that there's a steady supply of idiots that think it's ok to sail into a trade hub or up a pipe with a wardec, but given how trivial it is to shed one these days I'd guess that many of your targets just reroll the corp or drop to NPC for the duration. I'm surprised how many "elite" PVPers cling to high sec for easy targets. Different strokes for different folks, not all PvP is the same in all areas of space; look at the attempts by null entities to get a foothold in wormholes, they had to learn whole new ways of thinking.
Quote:I think Low Sec must be pretty broken if it isn't seen as the next step by both them and bears. I can't speak for hisec PvPers but PvE in lowsec requires effort, something many aren't willing to put in. Even doing PI in lowsec, which I do, requires some planning to get in and out without running gatecamps or being jumped by a NPSI fleet.
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Market McSelling Alt
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Posted - 2015.02.17 05:45:29 -
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Concord Guy's Cousin wrote:Jenshae Chiroptera wrote:Concord Guy's Cousin wrote:Vimsy Vortis wrote:There would probably be less ganking if there were viable alternatives to it.
There aren't. I'm surprised more mercs haven't turned to it tbh. I know that there's a steady supply of idiots that think it's ok to sail into a trade hub or up a pipe with a wardec, but given how trivial it is to shed one these days I'd guess that many of your targets just reroll the corp or drop to NPC for the duration. I'm surprised how many "elite" PVPers cling to high sec for easy targets. Different strokes for different folks, not all PvP is the same in all areas of space; look at the attempts by null entities to get a foothold in wormholes, they had to learn whole new ways of thinking. Quote:I think Low Sec must be pretty broken if it isn't seen as the next step by both them and bears. I can't speak for hisec PvPers but PvE in lowsec requires effort, something many aren't willing to put in. Even doing PI in lowsec, which I do, requires some planning to get in and out without running gatecamps or being jumped by a NPSI fleet.
Lowsec PVE aversion has nothing to do with effort. It has to do with PVE being a predominantly single player activity and pvp being about who has more ships. Lowsec is run by groups of flashy guys with more ships.
Actually you want to know what Highsec looks like with your friends grand vision for the game... it looks a lot like Lowsec, only worse because there won't be a feed area for fresh targets. |
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I have an alt currently mining in Low Sec, I have been doing it the whole time you have been spouting off all the common misconceptions this game has, its like you are reading them from a book.
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Market McSelling Alt
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Posted - 2015.02.17 05:54:18 -
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Paranoid Loyd wrote:I have an alt currently mining in Low Sec, I have been doing it the whole time you have been spouting off all the common misconceptions this game has, its like you are reading them from a book.
So in your Eve there is no blobs, Lowsec is full of people making massive isk and highsec gankers live in fear constantly? Ok, got it.
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Posted - 2015.02.17 05:55:33 -
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Market McSelling Alt wrote:Lowsec PVE aversion has nothing to do with effort. It has to do with PVE being a predominantly single player activity and pvp being about who has more ships. Lowsec is run by groups of flashy guys with more ships. It has everything to with it, I run my PI ops in lowsec; as such I know who the locals are, I know when they're active, I know how to get to and from hisec without running into a gatecamp. In short I actively make an effort to not get dead.
Quote:Actually you want to know what Highsec looks like with your friends grand vision for the game... it looks a lot like Lowsec, only worse because there won't be a feed area for fresh targets. Nope, it looks like a return to the Eve I started playing in 2009; hisec PvPer's aren't pushing for anything new, they pushing for the return of something old.
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Posted - 2015.02.17 05:55:51 -
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Null Sec done right is actually the safest place to mine.
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Posted - 2015.02.17 06:00:04 -
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Jenshae Chiroptera wrote:Null Sec done right is actually the safest place to mine.
aka with your intel channels open.
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Market McSelling Alt wrote:Paranoid Loyd wrote:I have an alt currently mining in Low Sec, I have been doing it the whole time you have been spouting off all the common misconceptions this game has, its like you are reading them from a book. So in your Eve there is no blobs, Lowsec is full of people making massive isk and highsec gankers live in fear constantly? Ok, got it. Is that Serenity your playing on or something?
Tranquility. A nice quiet .2, today I got a Garmur BPC, a clone soldier tag and plenty more gnessis in this anomaly than I could mine in a week. Combine that with a level 3 agent a few systems away and I am making pretty good isk for a 3 month old toon.
Sure there is blobs and I take steps to mitigate them, it adds challenge to the game. I have to dock up when the blobs come thorough, but once they realize you are paying attention they don't mess with you as they know it is a waste of time.
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Posted - 2015.02.17 06:01:58 -
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Paranoid Loyd wrote:Market McSelling Alt wrote:Paranoid Loyd wrote:I have an alt currently mining in Low Sec, I have been doing it the whole time you have been spouting off all the common misconceptions this game has, its like you are reading them from a book. So in your Eve there is no blobs, Lowsec is full of people making massive isk and highsec gankers live in fear constantly? Ok, got it. Is that Serenity your playing on or something? Tranquility. A nice quiet .2, today I got a Garmur BPC, a clone soldier tag and plenty more gnessis in this anomaly than I could mine in a week. Combine that with a level 3 agent a few systems away and I am making pretty good isk for a 3 month old toon. Sure there is blobs and I take steps to mitigate them, it adds challenge to the game. I currently have a large gnessis anomaly to my self, sure I have to dock up when the blobs come thorough, but once they realize you are paying attention they don't mess with you as they know it is a waste of time.
Hint, I live in a wormhole. Moved there after missioning the crap out of Hophib and accumulating more LP than anyone should possibly have with MoW.
I don't like highsec, I don't live in highsec. Your mining in lowsec does not suddenly make your calls for eve to HTFU have anymore weight than my living in a WH has weight on asking that criminals be treated as such by the game. |
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Market McSelling Alt wrote:Jenshae Chiroptera wrote:Null Sec done right is actually the safest place to mine. aka with your intel channels open.
That's one tool that can help, but not essential.
I have an alt mining in Syndicate right now so that character can build a Moros for me.
Just a Procurer. Nothing else.
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Posted - 2015.02.17 06:12:26 -
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Jenn aSide wrote:SnowFlower Crendraven wrote:so i was ganked in hi sec yesterday by 3 destroyers...even with all my drones trained to l5 and a fleet t2 shield harmony boost plus all the fleets drones set to guard my ship...i lost the attack. My fleet boosters drones did'nt even respond to there attack but just before that they responded to some rats that came in. After i lost my ship i docked at the station and thats where the gankers went also, they sure enjoyed making fun in local so i set it up so anyone i my corp could kill them. Well that did'nt work either, as soon as my corp member undocked and seen them he locked on and fired but was destroyed by concord. He tried to dock when they started shooting but got the message ( docking not allowed because he agressed another pilot or something) i guess this game is set up to make no sense to me at all. i checked under my killrights and it was set so anyone in my corp could kill but it did'nt work and so another ship was lost. All i wanted to do was mine alittle in hisec but might be better off in lowsec for all the good it did me. anyone else feeling cheated lately ? Wish i could just once feel like my time and training was worth all the years invested in this game . FEELING RIPPED OFF...Cheers You've been playing a game for years and don't know how it works? That's pretty much the definition of High Sec. Players in low, null and wormhole space are FORCED to learn the game mechanics because not learning them results in frequent losses. But a player can go years in high sec without having anything bad happen (I know, 8 years of high sec with only two attempted ganks, none successful). You are feel 'cheated' when you should be feeling a sense of "I need to get better at this game'.
The age of an account is not always the same as the amount of time played. Many people take breaks from EVE and some just play less than others. So naive....
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Market McSelling Alt
Bernie Madoff Investment Services LLC
61
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Posted - 2015.02.17 06:13:59 -
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Scipio Artelius wrote:Market McSelling Alt wrote:Jenshae Chiroptera wrote:Null Sec done right is actually the safest place to mine. aka with your intel channels open. That's one tool that can help, but not essential. I have an alt mining in Syndicate right now so that character can build a Moros for me. Just a Procurer. Nothing else.
The amount of trying to convince the game population that you guys mine in low/null and therefore deserve to desecrate the highsec population at will is startling.
Do any of us carebears start claiming to be gankers on our mains or something? Do you think anyone cares how much veld you crush in whatever region you are in, doesn't make your vision for the game any more palpable. |
baltec1
Bat Country
Goonswarm Federation
15009
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Posted - 2015.02.17 06:17:03 -
[103] - Quote
Market McSelling Alt wrote:baltec1 wrote:
Because you are spouting rubbish. Suicide ganking is the single most punished activity in EVE and given your reaction to what I said you know that what you said was a lie. The simple fact here is that you cannot be bothered to protect yourself so you as CCP to do it for you.
I havent asked CCP to do anything for me. I also disagree with suicide ganking as the most punished activity, Macro Mining is. But that is a different activity all together. Tell me, why is it ok for a -10 to goons not be able to dock at their stations in null but it is ok for a -10 to all of empire be able to dock anywhere they want in empire?
When was the last time you had to activly protect your high sec station of choice from a supercap fleet? Corp standings are not the same as security standings.
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Market McSelling Alt
Bernie Madoff Investment Services LLC
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Posted - 2015.02.17 06:24:48 -
[104] - Quote
baltec1 wrote:Market McSelling Alt wrote:baltec1 wrote:
Because you are spouting rubbish. Suicide ganking is the single most punished activity in EVE and given your reaction to what I said you know that what you said was a lie. The simple fact here is that you cannot be bothered to protect yourself so you as CCP to do it for you.
I havent asked CCP to do anything for me. I also disagree with suicide ganking as the most punished activity, Macro Mining is. But that is a different activity all together. Tell me, why is it ok for a -10 to goons not be able to dock at their stations in null but it is ok for a -10 to all of empire be able to dock anywhere they want in empire? When was the last time you had to activly protect your high sec station of choice from a supercap fleet? Corp standings are not the same as security standings.
So why do faction police try and kill you in highsec? You do know how faction/corp standings relationship works right? You are no longer welcome in highsec, shouldn't matter if its Royal Khanid Navy or Impetus, all corporations get their standings from the factions and those factions have deemed you KOS. |
baltec1
Bat Country
Goonswarm Federation
15009
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Posted - 2015.02.17 06:34:15 -
[105] - Quote
Market McSelling Alt wrote:baltec1 wrote:Market McSelling Alt wrote:baltec1 wrote:
Because you are spouting rubbish. Suicide ganking is the single most punished activity in EVE and given your reaction to what I said you know that what you said was a lie. The simple fact here is that you cannot be bothered to protect yourself so you as CCP to do it for you.
I havent asked CCP to do anything for me. I also disagree with suicide ganking as the most punished activity, Macro Mining is. But that is a different activity all together. Tell me, why is it ok for a -10 to goons not be able to dock at their stations in null but it is ok for a -10 to all of empire be able to dock anywhere they want in empire? When was the last time you had to activly protect your high sec station of choice from a supercap fleet? Corp standings are not the same as security standings. So why do faction police try and kill you in highsec? You do know how faction/corp standings relationship works right? You are no longer welcome in highsec, shouldn't matter if its Royal Khanid Navy or Impetus, all corporations get their standings from the factions and those factions have deemed you KOS.
And?
Those are NPC navies not players, we dont attack said NPCs just pod pilots who are neutral to said navies. All you plan would do is punish people who pvp in lowsec, gankers would just use a neutral orca or bowhead. well done. Once again the bears demand a nerf that hurts everyone but doesnt get he results they want.
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Market McSelling Alt
Bernie Madoff Investment Services LLC
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Posted - 2015.02.17 06:36:09 -
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baltec1 wrote:Market McSelling Alt wrote:baltec1 wrote:Market McSelling Alt wrote:baltec1 wrote:
Because you are spouting rubbish. Suicide ganking is the single most punished activity in EVE and given your reaction to what I said you know that what you said was a lie. The simple fact here is that you cannot be bothered to protect yourself so you as CCP to do it for you.
I havent asked CCP to do anything for me. I also disagree with suicide ganking as the most punished activity, Macro Mining is. But that is a different activity all together. Tell me, why is it ok for a -10 to goons not be able to dock at their stations in null but it is ok for a -10 to all of empire be able to dock anywhere they want in empire? When was the last time you had to activly protect your high sec station of choice from a supercap fleet? Corp standings are not the same as security standings. So why do faction police try and kill you in highsec? You do know how faction/corp standings relationship works right? You are no longer welcome in highsec, shouldn't matter if its Royal Khanid Navy or Impetus, all corporations get their standings from the factions and those factions have deemed you KOS. And? Those are NPC navies not players, we dont attack said NPCs just pod pilots who are neutral to said navies. All you plan would do is punish people who pvp in lowsec, gankers would just use a neutral orca or bowhead. well done. Once again the bears demand a nerf that hurts everyone but doesnt get he results they want.
How would a -10 being unable to establish medical clones in highsec hurt regular players? Spin that for me please?
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Scipio Artelius
The Vendunari
End of Life
33123
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Posted - 2015.02.17 06:36:17 -
[107] - Quote
Market McSelling Alt wrote:The amount of trying to convince the game population that you guys mine in low/null and therefore deserve to desecrate the highsec population at will is startling.
Them sounds like fighting words.
Ok.
Left jab
Right hook
For the knockout punch, go check my killboard. You'll find I'm not a highsec ganker at all. But I certainly agree with them and anyone (like Jenn aside) that think the no play style is above any other and no play style should be nerfed because of the endless whinging of others.
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Market McSelling Alt
Bernie Madoff Investment Services LLC
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Posted - 2015.02.17 06:39:57 -
[108] - Quote
Scipio Artelius wrote:Market McSelling Alt wrote:The amount of trying to convince the game population that you guys mine in low/null and therefore deserve to desecrate the highsec population at will is startling. Them sounds like fighting words. Ok. Left jabRight hookFor the knockout punch, go check my killboard. You'll find I'm not a highsec ganker at all.
And you could check mine and see I never had a freighter ganked... what does that have to do with your toxic view for an anarchist view of how eve should be?
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Scipio Artelius
The Vendunari
End of Life
33123
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Posted - 2015.02.17 06:42:29 -
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Market McSelling Alt wrote:And you could check mine and see I never had a freighter ganked... what does that have to do with your toxic view for an anarchist view of how eve should be?
What vision is that?
What is wrong with a view that everyone has a right to play the style of game they want and if that involves interaction with other players, we are all able to take care of our own problems without calling for CCP to take care of them like little children.
So far you are 0-2. Where are you going to change the argument to next? Rather than just acknowledging that you've been wrong in your accusations and accepting that gankers have just as mugh right to play in this game as you do.
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Market McSelling Alt
Bernie Madoff Investment Services LLC
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Posted - 2015.02.17 06:48:55 -
[110] - Quote
Scipio Artelius wrote:Market McSelling Alt wrote:And you could check mine and see I never had a freighter ganked... what does that have to do with your toxic view for an anarchist view of how eve should be? I don't need to check yours. I not accusing you of anything. But, what vision is that I am supposed to hold that is toxic and anarchist? What is wrong with a view that everyone has a right to play the style of game they want and if that involves interaction with other players, we are all able to take care of our own problems without calling for CCP to take care of them like little children. So far you are 0-2. Where are you going to change the argument to next? Rather than just acknowledging that you've been wrong in your accusations and accepting that gankers have just as mugh right to play in this game as you do.
I am not wrong in anything. You want limitless interaction. But the game does have some rules and boundaries. One of those is High-Sec is not a free for all. You want it to be, it shouldn't be. Never have I said ganking should be banned or stopped.
Ganking is fine, I want the consequences for gankers who stay in highsec to mean something, to be harsh, to add risk. You want the ability to F1 anything that undocks. CCP can't take your approach or the game ends, the extreme carebear view that highsec is perfectly safe all the time isn't actually game breaking (many mmos are very successful on that premise).
My view I believe is the middle ground. Gank if you want, suffer the consequence or go to gank friendly regions. |
Scipio Artelius
The Vendunari
End of Life
33123
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Posted - 2015.02.17 06:52:30 -
[111] - Quote
Market McSelling Alt wrote:I am not wrong in anything. You want limitless interaction.
No, of course you aren't.
No. I don't want limitless interaction. I think the idea of highsec, lowsec and nullsec are good. Nothing wrong with that at all.
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baltec1
Bat Country
Goonswarm Federation
15009
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Posted - 2015.02.17 06:58:07 -
[112] - Quote
Market McSelling Alt wrote:
How would a -10 being unable to establish medical clones in highsec hurt regular players? Spin that for me please?
The bulk of -10s are people who pvp in lowsec. You are effectivly locking these people out of highsec and making their ability to replace their ships much harder in an attempt to stop gankers who would adapt anyway. When I gank in highsec my clone is still set to nullsec.
Your nerf will impact the wrong people.
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Greater Order Of Destruction
The Good Christian Society
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Posted - 2015.02.17 07:06:53 -
[113] - Quote
baltec1 wrote:Market McSelling Alt wrote:
How would a -10 being unable to establish medical clones in highsec hurt regular players? Spin that for me please?
The bulk of -10s are people who pvp in lowsec. You are effectivly locking these people out of highsec and making their ability to replace their ships much harder in an attempt to stop gankers who would adapt anyway. When I gank in highsec my clone is still set to nullsec. Your nerf will impact the wrong people.
I quite like his idea. As long as it is balanced. No player with a sec status of 5.0 should be allowed to establish medical clones in lawless space. No player who has shot a blood raider should be allowed establish a medical clone in a Blood station.
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malcovas Henderson
THoF
339
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Posted - 2015.02.17 07:22:29 -
[114] - Quote
Scipio Artelius wrote:Market McSelling Alt wrote:The amount of trying to convince the game population that you guys mine in low/null and therefore deserve to desecrate the highsec population at will is startling. Them sounds like fighting words. Ok. Left jabRight hookFor the knockout punch, go check my killboard. You'll find I'm not a highsec ganker at all. But I certainly agree with them and anyone (like Jenn aside) that think that no play style is above any other and no play style should be nerfed because of the endless whinging of others.
Lol. EZA-FM. My home such a long time ago. Tried getting Dave there, but The Vedunari where busy elsewhere :). I might come and join you mining. |
Scipio Artelius
The Vendunari
End of Life
33123
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Posted - 2015.02.17 07:26:12 -
[115] - Quote
malcovas Henderson wrote:I might come and join you mining.
Yeah come along anytime. But don't bring any of those weapons turrets or anything. ok. I trust you.
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Mistah Ewedynao
Ice Axe Psycho Killers
575
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Posted - 2015.02.17 07:30:46 -
[116] - Quote
1. It is silly for -10's to be able to dock in High sec stations...or even -5's.
2. It is total BS to think/claim that ganking random EMPTY or very low value cargo carrying freighters has a potential for profit, it's griefing.
3. It's also complete lack of knowledge of the game they play, laziness or just plain stupidity for a freighter pilot with a couple billion or more in cargo to fly an untanked, unboosted freighter without even having some decent tank implants.
Scout the damn route, tank your haulers and buy some implants that improve your tank. Have a booster in fleet.
Cargo expanders are NOT tanking mods
Hyper spatial accelerators are NOT tanking mods
Inertial Stabs are NOT tanking Mods
Reinforced Bulkheads are tanking mods, but they tank your 0% resists structure, better than the above though.
That pretty much leaves armor resists. Combined with a slave set, a few good hardwires and a decent fleet armor boost and the gankers will need MANY coordinated Tier 3 BC's to kill ya. Throw in a good fleet repper and the gankers die, not you.
Study and LEARN
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Cancel Align NOW
Greater Order Of Destruction
The Good Christian Society
450
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Posted - 2015.02.17 07:54:25 -
[117] - Quote
Mistah Ewedynao wrote:
2. It is total BS to think/claim that ganking random EMPTY or very low value cargo carrying freighters has a potential for profit, it's griefing.
I agree with everything in your post except that. Ganking can be against hulls, against pilots, or against travel routes. Limiting traffic between Hek and Jita creates better profit options. |
Josef Djugashvilis
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Posted - 2015.02.17 08:11:12 -
[118] - Quote
SnowFlower Crendraven wrote:so i was ganked in hi sec yesterday by 3 destroyers...even with all my drones trained to Adv.
l5 and a fleet t2 shield harmony boost plus all the fleets drones set to guard my ship...i lost the attack. My fleet boosters drones did'nt even respond to the attack but just before that they responded to some rats that came in. After i lost my ship i docked at the station and thats where the gankers went also, they sure enjoyed making fun in local so i set it up so anyone i my corp could kill them. Well that did'nt work either, as soon as my corp member undocked and seen them he locked on and fired but was destroyed by concord. He tried to dock when they started shooting but got the message ( docking not allowed because he agressed another pilot or something) i guess this game is set up to make no sense to me at all. i checked under my killrights and it was set so anyone in my corp could kill but it did'nt work and so another ship was lost. All i wanted to do was mine alittle in hisec but might be better off in lowsec for all the good it did me. anyone else feeling cheated lately ? Wish i could just once feel like my time and training was worth all the years invested in this game . FEELING RIPPED OFF...Cheers
Weird CODE alt detected at best, or poor quality troll at worse.
This will now lead to the usual boring stuff about how Eve should be Hello Kitty Online versus, Eve should be 'ard innit? and it is your fault if you get ganked posts.
Ho hum...
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Ima Wreckyou
The Conference Elite
CODE.
828
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Posted - 2015.02.17 08:19:31 -
[119] - Quote
Another victory for the New Order of Highsec
the Code ALWAYS wins
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Sisohiv
Center for Advanced Studies
Gallente Federation
278
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Posted - 2015.02.17 08:19:58 -
[120] - Quote
The only thing that bothers me about this now is, anyone mining in a Hulk is a return player who didn't get the memo, they are trash ships.
Most every belt I see now has Proc's, Macki's and Skiffs in them. I'm sure the ganker tears will start to flow a little heavier sooner than later as the easy kills dry up. |
Mag's
the united
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Posted - 2015.02.17 08:50:22 -
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Sisohiv wrote:The only thing that bothers me about this now is, anyone mining in a Hulk is a return player who didn't get the memo, they are trash ships.
Most every belt I see now has Proc's, Macki's and Skiffs in them. I'm sure the ganker tears will start to flow a little heavier sooner than later as the easy kills dry up. The ganking of barges was already at an all time low, years ago. That particular ship has sailed. (pun intended)
**Destination SkillQueue:- **
It's like assuming the lions will ignore you in the savannah, if you're small, fat and look helpless.
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admiral root
Red Galaxy
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Posted - 2015.02.17 08:59:40 -
[122] - Quote
Market McSelling Alt wrote:Prove that gankers actually go to low or null. You can't, and I can't prove they don't.
Look at my killboard. You'll see highsec suicide ganks, lowsec piracy and a stupid orca loss there, another stupid orca loss in a wormhole (but any dead orca is a good orca, so it's OK) and you'll see some nullsec stuff, too. So, yes, you absolutely can prove that gankers go to other parts of space.
No, your rights end in optimal+2*falloff | No-one hates you, none of us care enough for that.
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Anthar Thebess
870
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Posted - 2015.02.17 09:04:42 -
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Higsec is dangerous space.
So many pilots around trying to kill you 
After years in nullsec i am bit afraid to fly in higsec.
Who knows when your ship will insta pof because of ~tornado.
Balance gankers vs carebears was heavily broken when destroyers and almost all gun dps got boosted, and ships like tornado or talos leave assembly lines.
Still CCP have more important stuff to take care of now.
Carrier rebalance ( aka no capital reps without triage) , sov and nullsec changes.
Love you CCP , and the way you keep your word.
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admiral root
Red Galaxy
2364
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Posted - 2015.02.17 09:11:57 -
[124] - Quote
Mistah Ewedynao wrote:1. It is silly for -10's to be able to dock in High sec stations...or even -5's.
The people who decide your sec status are nothing to do with the powerful mega corporations who own the stations. Said corporations want your business and really don't give a damn about what you get up to in space, providing you're not doing it to them.
Mistah Ewedynao wrote:2. It is total BS to think/claim that ganking random EMPTY or very low value cargo carrying freighters has a potential for profit, it's griefing.
In addition to the excellent points raised by Cancel Align NOW, not everyone can be bothered to scan before they shoot. Zkillboard offers plenty of evidence as to why it's perfectly reasonable to blow up a ship just in case it has a decent loot table.
No, your rights end in optimal+2*falloff | No-one hates you, none of us care enough for that.
Sabriz for CSM
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Josef Djugashvilis
2885
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Posted - 2015.02.17 09:18:40 -
[125] - Quote
Ganking miners, or indeed anyone is a perfectly valid play-style choice, no more no less.
If CCP did not like it, they would do something about it.
This is not a signature.
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Dradis Aulmais
RW Vindicator Connection
Phoebe Freeport Republic
691
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Posted - 2015.02.17 09:26:19 -
[126] - Quote
i will just put this here. Since this thread has quickly become redundant
CSM 10: Mike Azariah, Sugar Kyle, Chance Ravinne, Jenshae chrioptera
Do No Vote For: Tora Bushido, Bobmon
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Hiasa Kite
Brave Newbies Inc.
Brave Collective
213
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Posted - 2015.02.17 10:28:25 -
[127] - Quote
DESUDESUDESUDESUDESUDESUDESUDESUDESUDESUDESU
People to vote for CSM X(in order): Sabriz Adoudel, Cagali Cagali, Steve Ronuken, Manfred Sideous, Mike Azariah, Gorski Car
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Sola Mercury
Republic Military School
Minmatar Republic
64
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Posted - 2015.02.17 11:00:15 -
[128] - Quote
From a miners view, every gank, not causing YOUR ship to get destroyed is good.
- Less competition is good for business
- Ships need to be destroyed to be repalced, causing mineral needs
- Sometimes ganks leads to quality posts much like the OP
So a miner can either fly a ship less prone to ganks compared to the barge next door e.g. procurer or count the losses as opportunity costs. |
Pok Nibin
Filial Pariahs
500
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Posted - 2015.02.17 14:35:29 -
[129] - Quote
Jenn aSide wrote:Pok Nibin wrote:*dodges onslaught of "EVE ain't safe nowheres*
You were just a victim of "content creation". You weren't creating content by playing. Nooooo. THEY were creating content by ganking you. It's how CCP welcomed the WoW refugees. CCP is the only one that did. All other games in the world just told them to learn this isn't WoW. But, ganking in the minds of CCP is some sort of genius on the fly.
One has to wonder. Not about gankers. We all know what they are, but CCP....then, I digress.
Sorry for your loss. You'll know better now. To all others. Don't come in here and speak about it! Free speech here means, any criticism of this infantile idiocy means you'll be accused of being a VICTIM! YES! It's true! In fact,
consider GD the grease trap of the internet....that little crook in your sink drain.. I've met crime victims that weren't as angry as this guy is about a video game. If you don't like EVE, it's community or CCP, what does that make you for paying for it (as you obviously are seeing as how you can post here)? You a bit delusional maybe? Or, do you just make things up as you go along?
Dont fight it; Rejoin your Amarrian patriarchs; You know you want to.
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Jenshae Chiroptera
The Volition Cult
942
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Posted - 2015.02.17 14:55:59 -
[130] - Quote
Market McSelling Alt wrote:Scipio Artelius wrote:Market McSelling Alt wrote:Jenshae Chiroptera wrote:Null Sec done right is actually the safest place to mine. aka with your intel channels open. That's one tool that can help, but not essential. I have an alt mining in Syndicate right now so that character can build a Moros for me. Just a Procurer. Nothing else. The amount of trying to convince the game population that you guys mine in low/null and therefore deserve to desecrate the highsec population at will is startling. Do any of us carebears start claiming to be gankers on our mains or something? Do you think anyone cares how much veld you crush in whatever region you are in, doesn't make your vision for the game any more palpable. Ummm .... no.
Go through my kill board, try find an indy or miner kill.
Have a look through my post history, I talk about things that make high sec more challenging and things that give miners more tools to protect themselves.
Particularly look at my CSM thread in signature.
I am not and I repeat this, I am not trying to flush newbies out of high sec and into low or null sec to be slaughtered by gate campers.
We haven't got it quite right yet but I guess I will describe how Null Sec mining can work:
1) Yes, first of all you need intel channels open because some ships can warp across systems stupidly fast and you need a few systems warning to be able to react.
2) You need people able to re-ship to instant locking pairs (with remote boosters) to grab interceptors and cloakers for the others to murder.
3) You have a dead end system or a pocket, you dock up and overwhelm when you re-ship or you call in a larger fleet than them, trap and slaughter them.
4) Go around ship scanning your fleet members, there are always a few with asteroid scanner (put those on your hauler) or who are going for max yield and gimping their tank.
5) Forget about Mackinaws, Retrievers and Covetors, they are a waste of time. The gain on yield vs the tank is useless. Skiffs or Procurers are your bread and butter, Hulks are good for well orchastrated operations.
6) Operations
i ) Make sure everyone is together (not too close for bombs but close enough to be under the drones "umbrella"
ii ) Have a few haulers with tanks.
iii ) Have eyes spread wide and have PVPers ratting in PVP ships in squads, loot and salvage goes to funds, they aren't so bored and they can warp directly to a gate for a fast response.
iv ) Drones in just in case you are bombed
v) Shield doctrine, do not split your logi
When all else fails if you are solo mining such as in a worm hole, make two warp off points that are off grid from your asteroid belt and slow boat at 76% speed between them. Drop jet cans along the way. Use a hauler with tractor beams, sensory boosters and aligned to a random safe that you can then ping at an oblique angle to your POS.
CSM Ten movement for change.
CCP - Building ant hills and magnifying glasses for fat kids.
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Mary Killigrew
Republic Military School
Minmatar Republic
0
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Posted - 2015.02.17 15:02:05 -
[131] - Quote
Excellent OP. 11/10 would read again. |
Jenshae Chiroptera
The Volition Cult
942
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Posted - 2015.02.17 15:10:12 -
[132] - Quote
Market McSelling Alt, I also mailed you some battle reports where CODE. had a 97% ISK failure and the only thing they caught was a procurer stuck on the invisible part of an asteroid. Not to mention a fantastically awful Goons hot drop that was pretty even on ISK (we won slightly) but a huge victory for our moral. We almost caught and killed one of their black ops battle ships (killed loads of bombers).
We do have a plan for next time that should guaranteed a few Blops BSes kills. 
There are two problems with EVE and mining:
1) Your best strategy is to dock up or die (this breeds risk aversion)
2) There aren't many tools to stand and fight.
So, after they start their mining lives in high sec, they learn that all they will do is lose if they try fight.
Gankers convince them to avoid any conflict at all and to just keep jumping corporations, systems and getting to safe places.
It takes months of small victories to build up their confidence and it is a ridiculous struggle to get them to believe that players can actually protect them. They think that it will be like Concord. They are so conditioned into a loser's mentality by high sec ... it really terrible and some horrible game design.
Condord is retribution NOT protection.
CSM Ten movement for change.
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Jenshae Chiroptera
The Volition Cult
942
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Posted - 2015.02.17 15:15:55 -
[133] - Quote
Sola Mercury wrote:From a miners view, every gank, not causing YOUR ship to get destroyed is good.
- Less competition is good for business
- Ships need to be destroyed to be repalced, causing mineral needs
- Sometimes ganks leads to quality posts much like the OP
So a miner can either fly a ship less prone to ganks compared to the barge next door e.g. procurer or count the losses as opportunity costs. From a null miner's view:
- Every kill brings more reds, especially easy ones where people are in expensive paper bags.
- Miners destroyed is wasted time when you have huge project that require endless amounts of ore.
- Often ganks lead to videos of utter failure where we all, PVP, miners, ratters gather around and laugh ourselves silly at how they have so much in their advantage and still can't get it right.
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UberFly
Brutor Tribe
Minmatar Republic
18
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Posted - 2015.02.17 17:31:55 -
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Scipio Artelius wrote:For the knockout punch, go check my killboard. You'll find I'm not a highsec ganker at all. But I certainly agree with them and anyone (like Jenn aside) that think that no play style is above any other and no play style should be nerfed because of the endless whinging of others.
Now that is funny as hell, Jenn spends a lot of his/her time whinging about his/her play style and how it should be nerf'd. "CCP needs to fix burner missions and incursions, because I make too much isk doing them!!!" LOL |
UberFly
Brutor Tribe
Minmatar Republic
19
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Posted - 2015.02.17 17:44:49 -
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Anthar Thebess wrote: Carrier rebalance ( aka no capital reps without triage)
That has got to be one of the worst ideas I've ever read. Someone slow-cat you out of existence or you just really hate spider-tanking archons? I guess you'd be all for making Basilisks run triage modules that would make them stay still, and keep them from getting cap/rep from each other? |
Chop Shops
Federal Navy Academy
Gallente Federation
0
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Posted - 2015.02.17 18:31:13 -
[136] - Quote
Well...
You learned a lot there...
1. Highsec is only safer, not safe
2. Kill rights need to be activated
3. How the agression timer works (Be lucky, it cost me one of MY Battleships, you learned it by your corpmate loosing one)
4. If you undock, cosider you ship lost, and rejoyce once you manage to dock (<- Thats TONs Of positive emotions vs one sad one if you loose it) - Also know as Rule 1 of eve: Dont fly what you cant afford to loose (I think its Rule one... Rule 2 was trust noone? Or did i get them mixed up?)
Overall this was a cheap lesson...
And I am sure you were offered a sweet deal for only 10M after your ship got blown up ;) |
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Viziam
Amarr Empire
37
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Posted - 2015.02.17 19:53:44 -
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Chop Shops wrote:And I am sure you were offered a sweet deal for only 10M after your ship got blown up ;)
Unfortunatly, not all gankers are agents of CODE.
Nevertheless, we can be sure a mining-permit would help prevent future incidents.
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Lefty Lulu
The Free Fighters of Bullshoda
Independent Operators Consortium
2
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Posted - 2015.02.17 20:47:07 -
[138] - Quote
Through all the pumping out of chests and tiresome smack talk, it all boils down to this. It's about cowards getting cheap kills the only way cowards know, by seeking out the peaceful.
Eve is approaching anarchy. Good luck with that. |
admiral root
Red Galaxy
2370
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Posted - 2015.02.17 20:57:26 -
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Lefty Lulu wrote:Through all the pumping out of chests and tiresome smack talk, it all boils down to this. It's about cowards getting cheap kills the only way cowards know, by seeking out the peaceful.
Gimme your stuff, WoW is that way --->.
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Jenn aSide
Smokin Aces.
9814
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Posted - 2015.02.17 23:43:48 -
[140] - Quote
Pok Nibin wrote:Jenn aSide wrote:Pok Nibin wrote:*dodges onslaught of "EVE ain't safe nowheres*
You were just a victim of "content creation". You weren't creating content by playing. Nooooo. THEY were creating content by ganking you. It's how CCP welcomed the WoW refugees. CCP is the only one that did. All other games in the world just told them to learn this isn't WoW. But, ganking in the minds of CCP is some sort of genius on the fly.
One has to wonder. Not about gankers. We all know what they are, but CCP....then, I digress.
Sorry for your loss. You'll know better now. To all others. Don't come in here and speak about it! Free speech here means, any criticism of this infantile idiocy means you'll be accused of being a VICTIM! YES! It's true! In fact,
consider GD the grease trap of the internet....that little crook in your sink drain.. I've met crime victims that weren't as angry as this guy is about a video game. If you don't like EVE, it's community or CCP, what does that make you for paying for it (as you obviously are seeing as how you can post here)? You a bit delusional maybe? Or, do you just make things up as you go along?
Your dislike of CCP is so obvious, your post is like a person being both a militant vegan and a member of PETA while every night going to a STEAK HOUSE complaining to people eating Steak that meat is murder....all the while ordering and paying for drinks and salads from the STEAK HOUSE thus helping this place (that you can't stand) stay in business.
You're paying a game company you hate to make a game with a community you can't stand and somehow I'm the delusional one. Brilliant. |
Jenn aSide
Smokin Aces.
9814
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Posted - 2015.02.17 23:47:26 -
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Lefty Lulu wrote:Through all the pumping out of chests and tiresome smack talk, it all boils down to this. It's about cowards getting cheap kills the only way cowards know, by seeking out the peaceful.
Eve is approaching anarchy. Good luck with that.
EVE IS anarchy.
The point that's hard for many of us to understand is that if you want 'peaceful', why in the seven hells would you pick a game that has universal non-consensual pvp (non-consensual sandbox pvp games always attract people other games would call 'griefers') and has been advertised as a hive of villainy since at least 2003?
It's like someone going to a Hoe house and being shock (SHOCKED I tell you) at all the Hoeing goin down. WTF do you expect?
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Market McSelling Alt
Bernie Madoff Investment Services LLC
63
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Posted - 2015.02.17 23:51:07 -
[142] - Quote
Jenn aSide wrote:Lefty Lulu wrote:Through all the pumping out of chests and tiresome smack talk, it all boils down to this. It's about cowards getting cheap kills the only way cowards know, by seeking out the peaceful.
Eve is approaching anarchy. Good luck with that. EVE IS anarchy. The point that's hard for many of us to understand is that if you want 'peaceful', why in the seven hells would you pick a game that has universal non-consensual pvp (non-consensual sandbox pvp games always attract people other games would call 'griefers') and has been advertised as a hive of villainy since at least 2003? It's like someone going to a Hoe house and being shock (SHOCKED I tell you) at all the Hoeing goin down. WTF do you expect?
No one is taking away your precious non-consensual pvp. We are asking that Criminals be treated as such.
Your example of the hoe house is spot on, no one should be shocked there is hoeing going down, but neither should the man getting the hoe be shocked at his doctor bill for medical treatment afterwards.
We are asking that if you insist on screwing everything that moves in high-sec, that you have to take some penicillin when you are done. |
Jenn aSide
Smokin Aces.
9814
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Posted - 2015.02.18 00:01:05 -
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Market McSelling Alt wrote:Jenn aSide wrote:Lefty Lulu wrote:Through all the pumping out of chests and tiresome smack talk, it all boils down to this. It's about cowards getting cheap kills the only way cowards know, by seeking out the peaceful.
Eve is approaching anarchy. Good luck with that. EVE IS anarchy. The point that's hard for many of us to understand is that if you want 'peaceful', why in the seven hells would you pick a game that has universal non-consensual pvp (non-consensual sandbox pvp games always attract people other games would call 'griefers') and has been advertised as a hive of villainy since at least 2003? It's like someone going to a Hoe house and being shock (SHOCKED I tell you) at all the Hoeing goin down. WTF do you expect? No one is taking away your precious non-consensual pvp. We are asking that Criminals be treated as such. Your example of the hoe house is spot on, no one should be shocked there is hoeing going down, but neither should the man getting the hoe be shocked at his doctor bill for medical treatment afterwards. We are asking that if you insist on screwing everything that moves in high-sec, that you have to take some penicillin when you are done.
And they do. The things gankers (and all other 'bad guys) have to do to keep going far exceeds the amount of effort it takes me to dock, turn in my mission, get another and undock (all the effort in PVE is in the front end, getting standings or learning skills or making the isk for that mining ship or incursion boat). As a PVE player, I can acknowledge this and thus have no desire to 'meta game' nerfs against them. The game gives me all the tools I need to defeat 'bad guys' in EVE and I've done so for 8 years.
After those 8 years my 'loses' to the bad guys are:
-Bought a 100 mil t1 hauler in Rens because I was stupid and in a hurry.
-A few Proators to low sec gate camping pirates
-1 Ratting Vindicator to an Awoxxer in Fountain
And that's it , despite the fact that I've played most days for the last 2,920 days. Meanwhile, overtly jealous, lazy and uncreative types are losing to the 'bad guys' all day every day, and instead of engaging brain to find individual solutions, they run to the forums and couch their unreasonable metagame lobby attempts as 'fairness' and 'balance'.
It's really just weakness. You should stop pretending otherwise. Evading and otherwise embarrassing the 'Bad Guys' is content for real EVe non-PVP players, when you try to nerf them for your own comfort, you are nerfing ALL of us who don't want or need such help from CCP.
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Khergit Deserters
Crom's Angels
3813
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Posted - 2015.02.18 02:19:52 -
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Just shoot gankers. Most have negative crim sec status and are shootable on sight in high sec. It's much fun, they don't cry about it, and the smack talk is much enjoyable for everybody. It's a great hobby.
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baltec1
Bat Country
Goonswarm Federation
15019
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Posted - 2015.02.18 04:45:40 -
[145] - Quote
Market McSelling Alt wrote:Jenn aSide wrote:Lefty Lulu wrote:Through all the pumping out of chests and tiresome smack talk, it all boils down to this. It's about cowards getting cheap kills the only way cowards know, by seeking out the peaceful.
Eve is approaching anarchy. Good luck with that. EVE IS anarchy. The point that's hard for many of us to understand is that if you want 'peaceful', why in the seven hells would you pick a game that has universal non-consensual pvp (non-consensual sandbox pvp games always attract people other games would call 'griefers') and has been advertised as a hive of villainy since at least 2003? It's like someone going to a Hoe house and being shock (SHOCKED I tell you) at all the Hoeing goin down. WTF do you expect? No one is taking away your precious non-consensual pvp. We are asking that Criminals be treated as such. Your example of the hoe house is spot on, no one should be shocked there is hoeing going down, but neither should the man getting the hoe be shocked at his doctor bill for medical treatment afterwards. We are asking that if you insist on screwing everything that moves in high-sec, that you have to take some penicillin when you are done.
I bet you dont even know what the risks and punishments are for ganking or how to gank either.
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Vimsy Vortis
Shoulda Checked Local
Break-A-Wish Foundation
2005
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Posted - 2015.02.18 05:00:45 -
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Also disregard the fact that they have been literally removing non-consensual PVP mechanics from the game. |
Market McSelling Alt
Bernie Madoff Investment Services LLC
63
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Posted - 2015.02.18 05:21:29 -
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Vimsy Vortis wrote:Also disregard the fact that they have been literally removing non-consensual PVP mechanics from the game.
Really, tell me again how you can't lock anyone anywhere and shoot them at any time? |
baltec1
Bat Country
Goonswarm Federation
15019
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Posted - 2015.02.18 05:25:54 -
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Market McSelling Alt wrote:Vimsy Vortis wrote:Also disregard the fact that they have been literally removing non-consensual PVP mechanics from the game. Really, tell me again how you can't lock anyone anywhere and shoot them at any time?
We used to be able to tank concord.
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Market McSelling Alt
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Posted - 2015.02.18 05:28:40 -
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baltec1 wrote:Market McSelling Alt wrote:Vimsy Vortis wrote:Also disregard the fact that they have been literally removing non-consensual PVP mechanics from the game. Really, tell me again how you can't lock anyone anywhere and shoot them at any time? We used to be able to tank concord.
We used to be able to fit 3 MWDs too... what is your point?
You used to have nothing that could alpha a cruiser, but weapons got buffed. Things change, adapt and overcome. Ganking is easier now than it has ever been with Nados, Talos, Catalysts and haulers having to pick between cargo and tank. |
baltec1
Bat Country
Goonswarm Federation
15019
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Posted - 2015.02.18 05:36:15 -
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Market McSelling Alt wrote:baltec1 wrote:Market McSelling Alt wrote:Vimsy Vortis wrote:Also disregard the fact that they have been literally removing non-consensual PVP mechanics from the game. Really, tell me again how you can't lock anyone anywhere and shoot them at any time? We used to be able to tank concord. We used to be able to fit 3 MWDs too... what is your point? You used to have nothing that could alpha a cruiser, but weapons got buffed. Things change, adapt and overcome. Ganking is easier now than it has ever been with Nados, Talos, Catalysts and haulers having to pick between cargo and tank. Now you can have an Orca or Bowhead drop your regank ships. Now you don't even need to dock. Now stuff actually drops from hangers and you don't even need a pickup alt because an MTU can do it for you.
Acctually we did alpha cruisers, the change was they added more hp to all hulls to make fights last longer.
Right now ganking is at its lowest point, costs more than ever before, requires more people than ever before and targets have more defensive options than ever before.
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Michael Ruckert
Hohere Kavallerie-Kommando
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Posted - 2015.02.18 06:04:58 -
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Advice: Fly a tanked Procurer.
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Lefty Lulu
The Free Fighters of Bullshoda
Independent Operators Consortium
3
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Posted - 2015.02.18 06:13:26 -
[152] - Quote
Concord is not shouldering it's responsibility in this matter, making the whole Concord concept quite the hazy lie.
If a disillusioned juvenile decides to attack and destroy a peaceful miner, then they should be made to first, reimburse the victim for the full cost of ship, cargo and fitting, then they should be made to undergo communal service were all activities but mining are locked out to them for a period of six weeks.
A victim support program, if you will. |
Market McSelling Alt
Bernie Madoff Investment Services LLC
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Posted - 2015.02.18 06:45:25 -
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baltec1 wrote:Market McSelling Alt wrote:baltec1 wrote:Market McSelling Alt wrote:Vimsy Vortis wrote:Also disregard the fact that they have been literally removing non-consensual PVP mechanics from the game. Really, tell me again how you can't lock anyone anywhere and shoot them at any time? We used to be able to tank concord. We used to be able to fit 3 MWDs too... what is your point? You used to have nothing that could alpha a cruiser, but weapons got buffed. Things change, adapt and overcome. Ganking is easier now than it has ever been with Nados, Talos, Catalysts and haulers having to pick between cargo and tank. Now you can have an Orca or Bowhead drop your regank ships. Now you don't even need to dock. Now stuff actually drops from hangers and you don't even need a pickup alt because an MTU can do it for you. Acctually we did alpha cruisers, the change was they added more hp to all hulls to make fights last longer. Right now ganking is at its lowest point, costs more than ever before, requires more people than ever before and targets have more defensive options than ever before.
That is just plain untrue. Yes hulls got a buff, so did weapons. In particular alpha weapons got huge buffs. Catalyst today puts out more DPS than ever before, and ganks now only require one guy and two alts.
But you can cherry pick the changes to the game all you want, popular opinion isn't going to change, people don't like being ganked and they sure as heck don't want it any easier for you to do so. |
baltec1
Bat Country
Goonswarm Federation
15020
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Posted - 2015.02.18 06:52:03 -
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Market McSelling Alt wrote:
That is just plain untrue. Yes hulls got a buff, so did weapons. In particular alpha weapons got huge buffs. Catalyst today puts out more DPS than ever before, and ganks now only require one guy and two alts.
But you can cherry pick the changes to the game all you want, popular opinion isn't going to change, people don't like being ganked and they sure as heck don't want it any easier for you to do so.
Weapons have not been buffed to anywhere near the level they used to have. Catalysts dont put out even close to the firepower we used to use when we had the gankageddon (all the lows filled with heatsinks that had no stacking penalties and tracking did not exist so all of that firepower landed) They are also not get close to the firepower of the insured battleships we used to use.
The only person trying to cherry pick here is you.
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Market McSelling Alt
Bernie Madoff Investment Services LLC
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Posted - 2015.02.18 06:55:40 -
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baltec1 wrote:Market McSelling Alt wrote:
That is just plain untrue. Yes hulls got a buff, so did weapons. In particular alpha weapons got huge buffs. Catalyst today puts out more DPS than ever before, and ganks now only require one guy and two alts.
But you can cherry pick the changes to the game all you want, popular opinion isn't going to change, people don't like being ganked and they sure as heck don't want it any easier for you to do so.
Weapons have not been buffed to anywhere near the level they used to have. Catalysts dont put out even close to the firepower we used to use when we had the gankageddon. They are also not get close to the firepower of the insured battleships we used to use. The only person trying to cherry pick here is you.
BS
http://belligerentundesirables.com/wp-content/uploads/2013/04/suicide-ganking-maths.png
Never could we see 34k dps from a ship that costs so little. Destroyers throwing out 12k. Buffs to weapons have been massive, and in the days you could tank concord there wasn't T2 anything, so you weren't anywhere close to these numbers, nor was there as much target opportunity. |
baltec1
Bat Country
Goonswarm Federation
15020
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Posted - 2015.02.18 06:58:29 -
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Market McSelling Alt wrote:baltec1 wrote:Market McSelling Alt wrote:
That is just plain untrue. Yes hulls got a buff, so did weapons. In particular alpha weapons got huge buffs. Catalyst today puts out more DPS than ever before, and ganks now only require one guy and two alts.
But you can cherry pick the changes to the game all you want, popular opinion isn't going to change, people don't like being ganked and they sure as heck don't want it any easier for you to do so.
Weapons have not been buffed to anywhere near the level they used to have. Catalysts dont put out even close to the firepower we used to use when we had the gankageddon. They are also not get close to the firepower of the insured battleships we used to use. The only person trying to cherry pick here is you. BS http://belligerentundesirables.com/wp-content/uploads/2013/04/suicide-ganking-maths.png
Never could we see 34k dps from a ship that costs so little. Destroyers throwing out 12k. Buffs to weapons have been massive, and in the days you could tank concord there wasn't T2 anything, so you weren't anywhere close to these numbers, nor was there as much target opportunity.
There used to be no stacking penalties or tracking. My vindicators firepower is dwarfed by what an old gankageddon could put out. The cavelry raven would out punch a ******* deadnought.
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Market McSelling Alt
Bernie Madoff Investment Services LLC
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Posted - 2015.02.18 07:01:23 -
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baltec1 wrote:Market McSelling Alt wrote:baltec1 wrote:Market McSelling Alt wrote:
That is just plain untrue. Yes hulls got a buff, so did weapons. In particular alpha weapons got huge buffs. Catalyst today puts out more DPS than ever before, and ganks now only require one guy and two alts.
But you can cherry pick the changes to the game all you want, popular opinion isn't going to change, people don't like being ganked and they sure as heck don't want it any easier for you to do so.
Weapons have not been buffed to anywhere near the level they used to have. Catalysts dont put out even close to the firepower we used to use when we had the gankageddon. They are also not get close to the firepower of the insured battleships we used to use. The only person trying to cherry pick here is you. BS http://belligerentundesirables.com/wp-content/uploads/2013/04/suicide-ganking-maths.png
Never could we see 34k dps from a ship that costs so little. Destroyers throwing out 12k. Buffs to weapons have been massive, and in the days you could tank concord there wasn't T2 anything, so you weren't anywhere close to these numbers, nor was there as much target opportunity. There used to be no stacking penalties or tracking. My vindicators firepower is dwarfed by what an old gankageddon could put out. The cavelry raven would out punch a ******* deadnought.
In the times you are talking about a Geddon cost more than anyone would be willing to suicide in. You either never played back then, or you are distorting your nostalgia for the point of your argument.
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Omar Alharazaad
Lords.Of.Midnight
The Devil's Warrior Alliance
1316
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Posted - 2015.02.18 07:03:18 -
[158] - Quote
Lefty Lulu wrote:Concord is not shouldering it's responsibility in this matter, making the whole Concord concept quite the hazy lie. If a disillusioned juvenile decides to attack and destroy a peaceful miner, then they should be made to reimburse the victim for the full cost of ship, cargo and fitting. This should only be possible by having all activity's but mining locked out to them, so that moneys owed to the victim would need to be earned by mining. A victim support program, if you will. How fun it would be to watch them working their little butts off to pay me back, what they took from me.
CONCORD does exactly what it is supposed to do, and with greater efficiency than they used to.
Unlike a condom, they are not there for protection. They punish after the fact. If you tank well enough they may punish the offender before they kill you, but that's just a side effect of them doing their thing... your benefit in that situation is NOT the driving force behind their actions.
peaceful miner, rabid carebear, jaded bittervet, wide-eyed pvp newbro all suffer the same risk whenever they undock, that being the ship they fly and implants in their heads. They will be destroyed, it's only a matter of when. Instead of wishing upon a star for some kind of reimbursement you would be better served in taking better precautions to extend the lifespan of your vessel.
The only victims are the victims of their own poor judgement, lack of teamwork, failure to maintain situational awareness, and of course, laziness. *shrug*
It is dark here. You are likely to be eaten by a grue.
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baltec1
Bat Country
Goonswarm Federation
15020
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Posted - 2015.02.18 07:05:12 -
[159] - Quote
Market McSelling Alt wrote:
In the times you are talking about a Geddon cost more than anyone would be willing to suicide in. You either never played back then, or you are distorting your nostalgia for the point of your argument.
they didnt have to suicide gank back then because the damn things could tank concord.
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Market McSelling Alt
Bernie Madoff Investment Services LLC
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Posted - 2015.02.18 07:07:09 -
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baltec1 wrote:Market McSelling Alt wrote:
In the times you are talking about a Geddon cost more than anyone would be willing to suicide in. You either never played back then, or you are distorting your nostalgia for the point of your argument.
they didnt have to suicide gank back then because the damn things could tank concord.
So again, we are back to your vision of eve is to make the entire game Amamake... which means no one left to shoot and as boring as low sec is today.
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The Volition Cult
950
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Posted - 2015.02.18 07:07:43 -
[161] - Quote
Omar Alharazaad wrote:CONCORD does exactly what it is supposed to do, and with greater efficiency than they used to.
Unlike a condom, they are not there for protection. They punish after the fact. That CONCORD is retribution and not protection needs to be made clear to new players, pointing out how it is easier for players to protect each other in worm holes and null sec because they aren't limited.
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baltec1
Bat Country
Goonswarm Federation
15020
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Posted - 2015.02.18 07:09:55 -
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Market McSelling Alt wrote:baltec1 wrote:Market McSelling Alt wrote:
In the times you are talking about a Geddon cost more than anyone would be willing to suicide in. You either never played back then, or you are distorting your nostalgia for the point of your argument.
they didnt have to suicide gank back then because the damn things could tank concord. So again, we are back to your vision of eve is to make the entire game Amamake... which means no one left to shoot and as boring as low sec is today. Why should you be able to tank concord?
Yet again you miss the point.
You said you are not safer from ganks. I just gave you several example showing how you are very wrong.
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Market McSelling Alt
Bernie Madoff Investment Services LLC
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Posted - 2015.02.18 07:11:23 -
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baltec1 wrote:Market McSelling Alt wrote:baltec1 wrote:Market McSelling Alt wrote:
In the times you are talking about a Geddon cost more than anyone would be willing to suicide in. You either never played back then, or you are distorting your nostalgia for the point of your argument.
they didnt have to suicide gank back then because the damn things could tank concord. So again, we are back to your vision of eve is to make the entire game Amamake... which means no one left to shoot and as boring as low sec is today. Why should you be able to tank concord? Yet again you miss the point. You said you are not safer from ganks. I just gave you several example showing how you are very wrong.
Except you just said it wasnt a gank back then because you could tank concord... That is just low-sec pvp at that point. |
Demerius Xenocratus
Federal Defense Union
Gallente Federation
82
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Posted - 2015.02.18 07:12:26 -
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I'm not a huge fan of the highsec grief crowd. That being said, there are mining vessels which are designed to be very difficult and certainly cost-ineffective to gank. Use them.
I have no issue with people not wanting to engage in combat but if you want to play the game seriously it's advisable to learn about pvp mechanics. Seeing as there is a large and very bored collection of nullbears who take special pleasure in introducing the pvp-averse to the joys thereof. |
baltec1
Bat Country
Goonswarm Federation
15020
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Posted - 2015.02.18 07:13:19 -
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Market McSelling Alt wrote:
Except you just said it wasnt a gank back then because you could tank concord... That is just low-sec pvp at that point.
Which means you are a lot safer now than back then.
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Market McSelling Alt
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Posted - 2015.02.18 07:19:28 -
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baltec1 wrote:Market McSelling Alt wrote:
Except you just said it wasnt a gank back then because you could tank concord... That is just low-sec pvp at that point.
Which means you are a lot safer now than back then.
Well considering in 2004 no one could gank my freighter because... oh wait |
Jenn aSide
Smokin Aces.
9822
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Posted - 2015.02.18 07:37:14 -
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Omar Alharazaad wrote:
The only victims are the victims of their own poor judgement, lack of teamwork, failure to maintain situational awareness, and of course, laziness. *shrug*
Well said.
When you boil it all down, it comes down to one thing. The mindset called 'Victimhood' (and a person doesn't have to be the atual 'victim' of anything to have this mindset).
If playing MMOs has taught me anything, it's that a certain segment of humanity will FIND a way to be a victim, no matter what the endeavor (even one as inconsequential as a video game). It's crazy (and I mean totally insane) to me that someone could be a victim in an internet spaceship game that has tools and tactics and other people in it (that I use constantly) to make the bad stuff not happen.
....It's almost as if they explose themselves to 'victimhood' situations (rather than do very simple things to defend themselves) because they LIKE being victims. Well, some people are strange, some people pay leather clad women to spank their naughty asses so why not have "intentional victims" in a video game?
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baltec1
Bat Country
Goonswarm Federation
15020
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Posted - 2015.02.18 07:50:00 -
[168] - Quote
Market McSelling Alt wrote:baltec1 wrote:Market McSelling Alt wrote:
Except you just said it wasnt a gank back then because you could tank concord... That is just low-sec pvp at that point.
Which means you are a lot safer now than back then. Well considering in 2004 no one could gank my freighter because... oh wait
Still safer today than before.
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The Conference Elite
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Market McSelling Alt wrote:Well considering in 2004 no one could gank my freighter because... oh wait
This just means that the New Order is superior to everything that came before. Your tears only prove our effectiveness and nothing else. It's however not surprising that the carebear crowd is once again trying to change the game because someone is playing this competitive multiplayer sandbox game like a competitive multiplayer sandbox game.
There are so many options available to the carebear pilot to protect himself. And ganking has been nerfed to a point where it can only be financed via metagame and is in no way cost effective for a new player who wants to play as a ganker.
So please tell me, from a game play point of view, how much sense does it make to further nerf the quite interesting profession of highsec pirate to benefit the AFK miner and hauler crowd who are doing everything to avoid interaction with the game and other players because their profession is so boring by making it even more boring?
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Lefty Lulu
The Free Fighters of Bullshoda
Independent Operators Consortium
5
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Posted - 2015.02.18 09:34:42 -
[170] - Quote
I really don't know why CCP are messing about at. They should just get on with it and sack Concord and turn the game into one glorious free-for-all gank fest, after all, this is what CCP and the majority of the players want anyway. |
baltec1
Bat Country
Goonswarm Federation
15022
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Posted - 2015.02.18 09:40:04 -
[171] - Quote
Lefty Lulu wrote:I really don't know why CCP are messing about at. They should just get on with it and sack Concord and turn the game into one glorious free-for-all gank fest, after all, this is what CCP and the majority of the players want anyway.
Its not what we want. All we want is for the nerfs to stop.
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Coreli Corporation
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Posted - 2015.02.18 10:21:21 -
[172] - Quote
baltec1 wrote:Lefty Lulu wrote:I really don't know why CCP are messing about at. They should just get on with it and sack Concord and turn the game into one glorious free-for-all gank fest, after all, this is what CCP and the majority of the players want anyway. Its not what we want. All we want is for the nerfs to stop.
would you prefer for the nerfs to stop and more people stop playing the game and eventually we have no game?
tell me the risks you have from suiciding 30 catalysts to kill 7-8bil worth of freighter? doesnt matter how well you tank anything if you want it dead then its dead.
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Bene Gesserit ChapterHouse
Sanctuary Pact
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Posted - 2015.02.18 10:45:41 -
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They have no interest in the isk value of what they destroy. There joy comes from upsetting others. |
Thonys Visser
Green Visstick High
3
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Posted - 2015.02.18 10:50:59 -
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SnowFlower Crendraven wrote:so i was ganked in hi sec yesterday by 3 destroyers...even with all my drones trained to Adv.
l5 and a fleet t2 shield harmony boost plus all the fleets drones set to guard my ship...i lost the attack. My fleet boosters drones did'nt even respond to the attack but just before that they responded to some rats that came in. After i lost my ship i docked at the station and thats where the gankers went also, they sure enjoyed making fun in local so i set it up so anyone i my corp could kill them. Well that did'nt work either, as soon as my corp member undocked and seen them he locked on and fired but was destroyed by concord. He tried to dock when they started shooting but got the message ( docking not allowed because he agressed another pilot or something) i guess this game is set up to make no sense to me at all. i checked under my killrights and it was set so anyone in my corp could kill but it did'nt work and so another ship was lost. All i wanted to do was mine alittle in hisec but might be better off in lowsec for all the good it did me. anyone else feeling cheated lately ? Wish i could just once feel like my time and training was worth all the years invested in this game . FEELING RIPPED OFF...Cheers
Well i understand your feeling (carebear myself)
you are obvious a care bear who wants to do mining in a environment where you can life a friendly life to do some ore mining
but there has to be also some threat to keep it exciting + the only thing you have to do is keep an eye on local for gangs (and mark them as suspected )
but i go a step further
how about a little mining corp (5 active players ) who is getting war decked by 200+ player corporation
then you and your mining corp is out off business for two weeks...(PLEX value doubled / or 50% ? )
Thats what i call a RIP off
some of the miners will never return (well that a good cccp business modal )
I really do think that if a corporation declares war on a other corporation the price must go up by every active war deck they make. fist war active deck 50 mil the second 100 mil the third 150 ,the fourth 200mil etcetera etcetera so they have to think carefully witch corp they war deck
now it is random annoying child's play
and not word the money
I also think cccp has to plant an new slot in the mental brain in all of them.... called slot 11..
whit a implant called: neural care bear miners in space
the implants also called:
001 care bears wisdom
002 neural mining in peace
003 thinks twice career
004 cccp business modal the carebear returns
005 neural thoughts about friendly miners in space
something is wrong in Hs
this was just a thought
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Federal Navy Academy
Gallente Federation
27
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Posted - 2015.02.18 10:51:46 -
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Shin Jan wrote:Snowflower. Justice has been brought upon you. Don't take it personally, Players living in High Sec are far too many and divide Eve Fun. For a sandbox to work, all secure systems (aside one for newbies with a maximum skillpoint) should disappear. Miners would have to take risks or pay a corporation for protection. Thus creating need, thus creating sand in the box.
I honestly think most players in EVE have no clue on what a sandbox actually is. The principle of 'sandbox' does not mean there are no rules, it just means you have a lot more freedom to move and do things in a game, and that a considerable part of the game content is player provided.
Nothing in that definition says 'all rules and safeguards must disappear'.
I think EVE is considerably carebear, myself. Not because there's rules in place protecting players from predators, but because there's way too few of those rules. The predators have it way, way too easy. And the excuses why it should stay that way are way, way too lame. 'No one forces them to go out there in their expensive ships'... sure, cause it's so efficient to go haul freight in a Nereus, and you'll definitely never get ganked if you do. And if you're going to mine - the most boring activity I've yet to find in a game - you're definitely going to do so in a venture, cause those never get ganked either and it's soooo rewarding.... Emerging content my sweet *****.
And once again, I AM a player killer, I generally have zero issues with killing people who are just doing missions (I friggin levelled on that in AION, rifting FTW) or with piracy. But I do have an issue when it's too easy and completely pointless. Honestly, I'd love to see the SWG neutral/covert/overt system here, so people who don't care about PVP can just opt out altogether and anyone left will be a willing (and hopefully competent) opponent.
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Darian Frost
Martyr's Vengence
9
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Posted - 2015.02.18 10:52:33 -
[176] - Quote
Only time I mine is when I try to bait in my battle venture. No bites yet, but soon...soon
Also, ganking makes content. I don't even gank but seriously, if I went out every time never getting ganked or killed or never having someone at least try the game would get so boring I wouldn't renew my sub.
Doesn't mean I thank my killers but at least it keeps things interesting and on edge. When I'm in a WH and notice someone else's (previously an imicus) pod appear on D-scan I think to myself, "Alright so there are people killing other explorers in here...how many sites do I have the balls to hack before I gtfo?"
That's content. Without that I'd just hack the sites, go back to station and sell the crap and I'd be neutral (boring) about all of it...I prefer to be on the edge of my seat because it's those butt clenching "Will I make it?" moments that make EvE. So thanks CODE, for supplying those butt clenching moments that make EvE to the highsec miners who are in dire need of it. |
Chapmonious Hunter
Pwn 'N Play
Nulli Secunda
88
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Posted - 2015.02.18 11:00:31 -
[177] - Quote
came expecting tears, left satisfied |
admiral root
Red Galaxy
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Posted - 2015.02.18 11:16:06 -
[178] - Quote
Demerius Xenocratus wrote:I'm not a huge fan of the highsec grief crowd.
If this mythical "grief crowd" actually existed, surely you'd petition them to CCP? If they weren't mythical before you reported them, they sure would be afterwards.
Sharise Dragonstar wrote:They have no interest in the isk value of what they destroy. There joy comes from upsetting others.
You would / do get upset when you're ganked, therefore all gankers gank in order to upset people? Isn't this called projection?
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Yammerschooner
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Posted - 2015.02.18 11:18:22 -
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Thorn en Distel wrote:I honestly think most players in EVE have no clue on what a sandbox actually is.
[truncated bit]
Honestly, I'd love to see the SWG neutral/covert/overt system here, so people who don't care about PVP can just opt out altogether and anyone left will be a willing (and hopefully competent) opponent.
I agree. Most EVE players have no clue what a sandbox game actually is.
Sabriz Adoudel for CSM 10 is a good idea.
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Omar Alharazaad
Lords.Of.Midnight
The Devil's Warrior Alliance
1317
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Posted - 2015.02.18 11:37:45 -
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Lan Wang wrote:baltec1 wrote:Lefty Lulu wrote:I really don't know why CCP are messing about at. They should just get on with it and sack Concord and turn the game into one glorious free-for-all gank fest, after all, this is what CCP and the majority of the players want anyway. Its not what we want. All we want is for the nerfs to stop. would you prefer for the nerfs to stop and more people stop playing the game and eventually we have no game? tell me the risks you have from suiciding 30 catalysts to kill 7-8bil worth of freighter? doesnt matter how well you tank anything if you want it dead then its dead.
why would you do something so silly as to let all those catalysts kill your freighter?
Seriously.
The tools are there for everyone to keep it from happening, there are all sorts of means of avoiding that outcome.
Ultimately when something like that happens it is because the pilot LET IT HAPPEN.
What happens after is a different matter. We need less "OMGZ, think of the CHILDREN!" and far more folks owning up to their own derps. Learn from the mistakes and adapt.
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Lords.Of.Midnight
The Devil's Warrior Alliance
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Posted - 2015.02.18 12:29:57 -
[181] - Quote
Lan Wang wrote:baltec1 wrote:Lefty Lulu wrote:I really don't know why CCP are messing about at. They should just get on with it and sack Concord and turn the game into one glorious free-for-all gank fest, after all, this is what CCP and the majority of the players want anyway. Its not what we want. All we want is for the nerfs to stop. would you prefer for the nerfs to stop and more people stop playing the game and eventually we have no game? tell me the risks you have from suiciding 30 catalysts to kill 7-8bil worth of freighter? doesnt matter how well you tank anything if you want it dead then its dead.
It's not a rash the gets worse unless nerfs are applied twice daily after meals.
it's also not that binary any you know it.
we need better war mechanics, better ways to target people in highsec or more of them coming to lowsec if ye want less ganking because simply nerfing it has little effect.
Sharise Dragonstar wrote:They have no interest in the isk value of what they destroy. There joy comes from upsetting others.
Welcome to the internet
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and it's the kind of laugh that gives normal people shivers."
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Ima Wreckyou
The Conference Elite
CODE.
829
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Posted - 2015.02.18 12:30:06 -
[182] - Quote
Thorn en Distel wrote:Honestly, I'd love to see the SWG neutral/covert/overt system here, so people who don't care about PVP can just opt out altogether and anyone left will be a willing (and hopefully competent) opponent.
You can already do that. You can go to the Singularity server where PvP is consensual only. If you only want to "mine in peace", without the added value of interaction with other players or the economy they build then that should be perfect for you.
On Tranquility however, the value for all the items in the player build economy comes from the effort and risk you take to gather or produce this items. To allow players to opt-out of the risk would be game breaking and destroy the economy.
Highsec would be reduced to a park where only AFK mining and AFK hauling would make any sense. Resource prices would fall down because everyone and his mother would run an AFK miner to generate some ISK. Howling would pay nothing at all, because there is no risk and therefore no value anymore. PLEX would be unaffordable for the casual player.
We would still be in business however, because we will simply revert to bumping.
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Posted - 2015.02.18 12:31:27 -
[183] - Quote
Lan Wang wrote:tell me the risks you have from suiciding 30 catalysts to kill 7-8bil worth of freighter? doesnt matter how well you tank anything if you want it dead then its dead.
Why do you think it should be possible to move 7-8bil without effort?
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baltec1
Bat Country
Goonswarm Federation
15026
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Posted - 2015.02.18 12:34:13 -
[184] - Quote
Lan Wang wrote:baltec1 wrote:Lefty Lulu wrote:I really don't know why CCP are messing about at. They should just get on with it and sack Concord and turn the game into one glorious free-for-all gank fest, after all, this is what CCP and the majority of the players want anyway. Its not what we want. All we want is for the nerfs to stop. would you prefer for the nerfs to stop and more people stop playing the game and eventually we have no game? tell me the risks you have from suiciding 30 catalysts to kill 7-8bil worth of freighter? doesnt matter how well you tank anything if you want it dead then its dead.
If EVE was going to die because I can blow up your ship in highsec it would have done so over a decade ago.
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Bernie Madoff Investment Services LLC
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Posted - 2015.02.18 12:35:07 -
[185] - Quote
Ima Wreckyou wrote:Lan Wang wrote:tell me the risks you have from suiciding 30 catalysts to kill 7-8bil worth of freighter? doesnt matter how well you tank anything if you want it dead then its dead. Why do you think it should be possible to move 7-8bil without effort?
Who made you the arbiter of what constitutes effort?
Like Ctrl+Click... F1 is effort anyways |
baltec1
Bat Country
Goonswarm Federation
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Posted - 2015.02.18 12:40:09 -
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Market McSelling Alt wrote:Ima Wreckyou wrote:Lan Wang wrote:tell me the risks you have from suiciding 30 catalysts to kill 7-8bil worth of freighter? doesnt matter how well you tank anything if you want it dead then its dead. Why do you think it should be possible to move 7-8bil without effort? Who made you the arbiter of what constitutes effort? Like Ctrl+Click... F1 is effort anyways
And this is how we know you have no idea how ganks work.
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Jenn aSide
Smokin Aces.
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Posted - 2015.02.18 12:45:00 -
[187] - Quote
Lan Wang wrote:baltec1 wrote:Lefty Lulu wrote:I really don't know why CCP are messing about at. They should just get on with it and sack Concord and turn the game into one glorious free-for-all gank fest, after all, this is what CCP and the majority of the players want anyway. Its not what we want. All we want is for the nerfs to stop. would you prefer for the nerfs to stop and more people stop playing the game and eventually we have no game?
Please demonstrate where any 'nerfs' have coincided with population growth (or even just stopping player decline).
In the decade where EVe was much harsher (before all these safety pop up and safeties and improved Concord) CCP couldn't help but tell people about how much it was growing. Now? not at all.
Basically, CCP may have made the Wal-Mart Mistake in good faith. They've made for an easier to understand "easy to play/hard to master" game when it was the CHAOS and DANGER of the game that kept it growing all those years.
Quote:
tell me the risks you have from suiciding 30 catalysts to kill 7-8bil worth of freighter? doesnt matter how well you tank anything if you want it dead then its dead.
As it should be. A game where a person can make themselves 100% safe wouldn't be EVE anymore. CCP has made the game 'safer' based on the false idea that more carebears will stay. They don't, meanwhile they make it less attractive for the actual types of people (pve and pvp) who do play.
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Market McSelling Alt
Bernie Madoff Investment Services LLC
68
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Posted - 2015.02.18 12:47:02 -
[188] - Quote
baltec1 wrote:Market McSelling Alt wrote:Ima Wreckyou wrote:Lan Wang wrote:tell me the risks you have from suiciding 30 catalysts to kill 7-8bil worth of freighter? doesnt matter how well you tank anything if you want it dead then its dead. Why do you think it should be possible to move 7-8bil without effort? Who made you the arbiter of what constitutes effort? Like Ctrl+Click... F1 is effort anyways And this is how we know you have no idea how ganks work.
Maybe in your mind gankers are still scanning out cargo several jumps ahead and gathering their pickup alt and setting up for the ship load and getting ready for the hauler to come.
But in today's eve an alt drops a catalyst from the hanger, ganker jumps in, warps to the kill location and just shoots.
Don't try and spice it up Dirt.
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Lan Wang
Coreli Corporation
The Kadeshi
184
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Posted - 2015.02.18 12:47:53 -
[189] - Quote
Ima Wreckyou wrote:Lan Wang wrote:tell me the risks you have from suiciding 30 catalysts to kill 7-8bil worth of freighter? doesnt matter how well you tank anything if you want it dead then its dead. Why do you think it should be possible to move 7-8bil without effort?
what do you define as effort, grinding to make the isk to buy a freighter, pvp'ing to get the contracts to fill the freighter then traveling dozens of jumps to fullfill the contracts, each contract with a 1bil collateral and risk of being ganked by 10mil catalysts on a gate, which there is no real way to prevent it.
or buying a ton of catalysts, having a few machariels sitting in a npc corp (protected by concord with 0 risk), camping on a gate then hitting orbit and f1 when a freighter comes through and have a hauler pick it all up? and yet you complain that its not profitable enough for you?
both activities require similar amounts of effort but 1 party comes out severely worse than the other
there is no risk in ganking because your going to die anyway and your ship cost is nothing compared to the reward for doing it and neither is the cost of security tags to amend your sec status.
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Bat Country
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Posted - 2015.02.18 12:50:14 -
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Market McSelling Alt wrote:
Maybe in your mind gankers are still scanning out cargo several jumps ahead and gathering their pickup alt and setting up for the ship load and getting ready for the hauler to come.
But in today's eve an alt drops a catalyst from the hanger, ganker jumps in, warps to the kill location and just shoots.
Don't try and spice it up Dirt.
Miniluv are a profit making organisation. You dont make a profit by randomly ganking empty ships.
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Posted - 2015.02.18 12:50:47 -
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Market McSelling Alt wrote:baltec1 wrote:Market McSelling Alt wrote:Ima Wreckyou wrote:Lan Wang wrote:tell me the risks you have from suiciding 30 catalysts to kill 7-8bil worth of freighter? doesnt matter how well you tank anything if you want it dead then its dead. Why do you think it should be possible to move 7-8bil without effort? Who made you the arbiter of what constitutes effort? Like Ctrl+Click... F1 is effort anyways And this is how we know you have no idea how ganks work. Maybe in your mind gankers are still scanning out cargo several jumps ahead and gathering their pickup alt and setting up for the ship load and getting ready for the hauler to come. But in today's eve an alt drops a catalyst from the hanger, ganker jumps in, warps to the kill location and just shoots. Don't try and spice it up Dirt.
please continue, your clueless babble amuses me. |
baltec1
Bat Country
Goonswarm Federation
15027
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Posted - 2015.02.18 12:52:45 -
[192] - Quote
Lan Wang wrote:Ima Wreckyou wrote:Lan Wang wrote:tell me the risks you have from suiciding 30 catalysts to kill 7-8bil worth of freighter? doesnt matter how well you tank anything if you want it dead then its dead. Why do you think it should be possible to move 7-8bil without effort? what do you define as effort, grinding to make the isk to buy a freighter, pvp'ing to get the contracts to fill the freighter then traveling dozens of jumps to fullfill the contracts, each contract with a 1bil collateral and risk of being ganked by 10mil catalysts on a gate, which there is no real way to prevent it. or buying a ton of catalysts, having a few machariels sitting in a npc corp (protected by concord with 0 risk), camping on a gate then hitting orbit and f1 when a freighter comes through and have a hauler pick it all up? and yet you complain that its not profitable enough for you? both activities require similar amounts of effort but 1 party comes out severely worse than the other there is no risk in ganking because your going to die anyway and your ship cost is nothing compared to the reward for doing it and neither is the cost of security tags to amend your sec status.
Pop quiz.
How much does it cost the get your security status from -10 to +5 using tags?
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Posted - 2015.02.18 12:52:48 -
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Dave Stark wrote:Market McSelling Alt wrote:baltec1 wrote:Market McSelling Alt wrote:[quote=Ima Wreckyou]
Who made you the arbiter of what constitutes effort?
Like Ctrl+Click... F1 is effort anyways And this is how we know you have no idea how ganks work. Maybe in your mind gankers are still scanning out cargo several jumps ahead and gathering their pickup alt and setting up for the ship load and getting ready for the hauler to come. But in today's eve an alt drops a catalyst from the hanger, ganker jumps in, warps to the kill location and just shoots. Don't try and spice it up Dirt. please continue, your clueless babble amuses me.
Oh please sire... teach us all of the complex and intricate ways of the playground bully.
You make it sound like there isn't guides for this kind of thing everywhere from TMC to Minerbumping. |
Market McSelling Alt
Bernie Madoff Investment Services LLC
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Posted - 2015.02.18 12:53:54 -
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baltec1 wrote:Lan Wang wrote:
what do you define as effort, grinding to make the isk to buy a freighter, pvp'ing to get the contracts to fill the freighter then traveling dozens of jumps to fullfill the contracts, each contract with a 1bil collateral and risk of being ganked by 10mil catalysts on a gate, which there is no real way to prevent it.
or buying a ton of catalysts, having a few machariels sitting in a npc corp (protected by concord with 0 risk), camping on a gate then hitting orbit and f1 when a freighter comes through and have a hauler pick it all up? and yet you complain that its not profitable enough for you?
both activities require similar amounts of effort but 1 party comes out severely worse than the other
there is no risk in ganking because your going to die anyway and your ship cost is nothing compared to the reward for doing it and neither is the cost of security tags to amend your sec status.
Pop quiz. How much does it cost the get you security status from -10 to +5?
Who cares, in the previous thread you said gankers don't care about their sec status, therefore it is a moot discussion. |
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Posted - 2015.02.18 12:57:23 -
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Market McSelling Alt wrote:You make it sound like there isn't guides for this kind of thing everywhere from TMC to Minerbumping.
perhaps if you'd read one, you might stop posting things so outrageously wrong. then again, probably not. |
Lan Wang
Coreli Corporation
The Kadeshi
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Posted - 2015.02.18 13:04:28 -
[196] - Quote
Jenn aSide wrote:Lan Wang wrote:baltec1 wrote:Lefty Lulu wrote:I really don't know why CCP are messing about at. They should just get on with it and sack Concord and turn the game into one glorious free-for-all gank fest, after all, this is what CCP and the majority of the players want anyway. Its not what we want. All we want is for the nerfs to stop. would you prefer for the nerfs to stop and more people stop playing the game and eventually we have no game? Please demonstrate where any 'nerfs' have coincided with population growth (or even just stopping player decline). In the decade where EVe was much harsher (before all these safety pop up and safeties and improved Concord) CCP couldn't help but tell people about how much it was growing. Now? not at all. Basically, CCP may have made the Wal-Mart Mistake in good faith. They've made for an easier to understand "easy to play/hard to master" game when it was the CHAOS and DANGER of the game that kept it growing all those years. Quote:
tell me the risks you have from suiciding 30 catalysts to kill 7-8bil worth of freighter? doesnt matter how well you tank anything if you want it dead then its dead.
As it should be. A game where a person can make themselves 100% safe wouldn't be EVE anymore. CCP has made the game 'safer' based on the false idea that more carebears will stay. They don't, meanwhile they make it less attractive for the actual types of people (pve and pvp) who do play.
do you think ccp just makes changes to game mechanics for the fun of things or on a whim? do they not listen to people about why they quit the game and how hard the game is for people to play or how much time they cant dedicate to play because so many reasons.
do they want to just cater for people who want to live in a high security space and shoot defenceless people when there is lowsec and nullsec which is very unpopulated compared to highsec, they probably have many factors on to which they base what they do on but im guessing the survey they ask when players quite plays a significant role in how they decide.
basically games evolve over time, you either have to adapt to the situation or you find another way around it. people need to stop living in some ego bubble where they base the reasons of what they do on some Eve philosophy or ethical grounds to support the core meaning of the game.
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Market McSelling Alt wrote:
Who cares, in the previous thread you said gankers don't care about their sec status, therefore it is a moot discussion.
If people use it as an argument then we are going to call them out on it. In this case its the argument about "just use tags".
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Posted - 2015.02.18 13:07:07 -
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Dave Stark wrote:Market McSelling Alt wrote:You make it sound like there isn't guides for this kind of thing everywhere from TMC to Minerbumping. perhaps if you'd read one, you might stop posting things so outrageously wrong. then again, probably not.
From TMC:
Quote:"1)ADD CONCORD TO YOUR OVERVIEW. Seriously. Otherwise you're not going to notice Concord is already in the belt and get waxed immediately.
2)Make a hotkey for "engage drones". I like to use F9, then line up all of my mods I'm going to fire next to it, so I can mash, say, f4,f5,-f9. Drones are a key part of your dps and you need them engaged asap.
3)Do you have a high enough sec status to fly around in the system without getting gibbed by the faction police? Great! You should probably stock up the SMA with a few ships while you still can, and train a Mr. Happystandings (see below). If not, see the section below on life as a pirate.
4)A gank is 'lined up' with an alt. This alt futzes around the belt, and then sits next to a juicy-looking target. Your ganking ship then warps to your alt. If the miner is watching, they may notice you sitting next to them and get the **** out - if that happens, just line up a new gank. Even non-bots only pay attention every 10m or so.
5)Warp to your alt. Launch drones, then come to a complete stop (if you're in a blaster ship). Lock the target, then fire/tp/scram/web, then hit your engage drones hotkey (you made one, right?). Now, watch and wait. Once the ship blows up, use your alt (the one you lined up the gank with) to scoop the loot, then loot your own ship when CONCORD blows it up. Warp both your pod and your alt back to the closest station.
6)Immediately board a rookie ship or shuttle with your ganking alt, and undock. Don't touch anything after you do: wait for CONCORD to blow you up. You've just cleared CONCORD from the belt so the next guy can start his attack run.
7)**** up local something fierce."
Seeing as how 1 and 2 can be done and never done again, 3-6 are really the only parts of this guide.
Personally I think this is too extravagant as when I ganked I did it in Jita and only to the AFK inbounds on IV-4. But whatever, I forgot you must have a post-doctoral thesis on this very deep subject
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Posted - 2015.02.18 13:08:49 -
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Lan Wang wrote:
do you think ccp just makes changes to game mechanics for the fun of things or on a whim? do they not listen to people about why they quit the game and how hard the game is for people to play or how much time they cant dedicate to play because so many reasons.
do they want to just cater for people who want to live in a high security space and shoot defenceless people when there is lowsec and nullsec which is very unpopulated compared to highsec, they probably have many factors on to which they base what they do on but im guessing the survey they ask when players quite plays a significant role in how they decide.
basically games evolve over time, you either have to adapt to the situation or you find another way around it. people need to stop living in some ego bubble where they base the reasons of what they do on some Eve philosophy or ethical grounds to support the core meaning of the game.
EVE had year on year growth that no other MMO has ever managed to match while it had all of that danger. Over the last few years after a lot of buffs to safety it has not grown.
There is zero evidence to back up your argument.
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Posted - 2015.02.18 13:09:16 -
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snore...
what?
oh noes another of *those* threads again!
nerfs or bufs, eve will not die of that.
Ever heard of lo- and nullsec?
Where those big fights happen which eve is in the media for?
What hisec thingie got into the media?
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Posted - 2015.02.18 13:11:12 -
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baltec1 wrote:Lan Wang wrote:
do you think ccp just makes changes to game mechanics for the fun of things or on a whim? do they not listen to people about why they quit the game and how hard the game is for people to play or how much time they cant dedicate to play because so many reasons.
do they want to just cater for people who want to live in a high security space and shoot defenceless people when there is lowsec and nullsec which is very unpopulated compared to highsec, they probably have many factors on to which they base what they do on but im guessing the survey they ask when players quite plays a significant role in how they decide.
basically games evolve over time, you either have to adapt to the situation or you find another way around it. people need to stop living in some ego bubble where they base the reasons of what they do on some Eve philosophy or ethical grounds to support the core meaning of the game.
EVE had year on year growth that no other MMO has ever managed to match while it had all of that danger. Over the last few years after a lot of buffs to safety it has not grown. There is zero evidence to back up your argument.
BS
Eve had year over year growth after the time Concord was buffed and highsec was made "safer" in your words... it started to stagnate and die again at the exact same time the first Hulkageddon and then again at the second Hulkageddon.
Now, personally I don't think it was a cause and effect, but to claim that these "nerfs" to ganking slowed growth is hilarious, much more likely the uptick in high-sec ganking of miners and freighters slowed the growth. |
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Posted - 2015.02.18 13:11:14 -
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Market McSelling Alt wrote:Dave Stark wrote:Market McSelling Alt wrote:You make it sound like there isn't guides for this kind of thing everywhere from TMC to Minerbumping. perhaps if you'd read one, you might stop posting things so outrageously wrong. then again, probably not. From TMC: Quote:"1)ADD CONCORD TO YOUR OVERVIEW. Seriously. Otherwise you're not going to notice Concord is already in the belt and get waxed immediately.
2)Make a hotkey for "engage drones". I like to use F9, then line up all of my mods I'm going to fire next to it, so I can mash, say, f4,f5,-f9. Drones are a key part of your dps and you need them engaged asap.
3)Do you have a high enough sec status to fly around in the system without getting gibbed by the faction police? Great! You should probably stock up the SMA with a few ships while you still can, and train a Mr. Happystandings (see below). If not, see the section below on life as a pirate.
4)A gank is 'lined up' with an alt. This alt futzes around the belt, and then sits next to a juicy-looking target. Your ganking ship then warps to your alt. If the miner is watching, they may notice you sitting next to them and get the **** out - if that happens, just line up a new gank. Even non-bots only pay attention every 10m or so.
5)Warp to your alt. Launch drones, then come to a complete stop (if you're in a blaster ship). Lock the target, then fire/tp/scram/web, then hit your engage drones hotkey (you made one, right?). Now, watch and wait. Once the ship blows up, use your alt (the one you lined up the gank with) to scoop the loot, then loot your own ship when CONCORD blows it up. Warp both your pod and your alt back to the closest station.
6)Immediately board a rookie ship or shuttle with your ganking alt, and undock. Don't touch anything after you do: wait for CONCORD to blow you up. You've just cleared CONCORD from the belt so the next guy can start his attack run.
7)**** up local something fierce." Seeing as how 1 and 2 can be done and never done again, 3-6 are really the only parts of this guide. Personally I think this is too extravagant as when I ganked I did it in Jita and only to the AFK inbounds on IV-4. But whatever, I forgot you must have a post-doctoral thesis on this very deep subject
So, thats more work than you fist said. Its also only valid for stationary afk untanked mining barges.
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Posted - 2015.02.18 13:12:50 -
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Market McSelling Alt wrote:baltec1 wrote:Lan Wang wrote:
do you think ccp just makes changes to game mechanics for the fun of things or on a whim? do they not listen to people about why they quit the game and how hard the game is for people to play or how much time they cant dedicate to play because so many reasons.
do they want to just cater for people who want to live in a high security space and shoot defenceless people when there is lowsec and nullsec which is very unpopulated compared to highsec, they probably have many factors on to which they base what they do on but im guessing the survey they ask when players quite plays a significant role in how they decide.
basically games evolve over time, you either have to adapt to the situation or you find another way around it. people need to stop living in some ego bubble where they base the reasons of what they do on some Eve philosophy or ethical grounds to support the core meaning of the game.
EVE had year on year growth that no other MMO has ever managed to match while it had all of that danger. Over the last few years after a lot of buffs to safety it has not grown. There is zero evidence to back up your argument. BS Eve had year over year growth after the time Concord was buffed and highsec was made "safer" in your words... it started to stagnate and die again at the exact same time the first Hulkageddon and then again at the second Hulkageddon. Now, personally I don't think it was a cause and effect, but to claim that these "nerfs" to ganking slowed growth is hilarious, much more likely the uptick in high-sec ganking of miners and freighters slowed the growth.
There is far more evidence to my bad argument than the other.
Context, try using it.
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Posted - 2015.02.18 13:14:37 -
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baltec1 wrote:Lan Wang wrote:
do you think ccp just makes changes to game mechanics for the fun of things or on a whim? do they not listen to people about why they quit the game and how hard the game is for people to play or how much time they cant dedicate to play because so many reasons.
do they want to just cater for people who want to live in a high security space and shoot defenceless people when there is lowsec and nullsec which is very unpopulated compared to highsec, they probably have many factors on to which they base what they do on but im guessing the survey they ask when players quite plays a significant role in how they decide.
basically games evolve over time, you either have to adapt to the situation or you find another way around it. people need to stop living in some ego bubble where they base the reasons of what they do on some Eve philosophy or ethical grounds to support the core meaning of the game.
EVE had year on year growth that no other MMO has ever managed to match while it had all of that danger. Over the last few years after a lot of buffs to safety it has not grown. There is zero evidence to back up your argument.
i suppose you have evidence to support this aswell yeah?
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Posted - 2015.02.18 13:18:56 -
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baltec1 wrote:Market McSelling Alt wrote:baltec1 wrote:Lan Wang wrote:
do you think ccp just makes changes to game mechanics for the fun of things or on a whim? do they not listen to people about why they quit the game and how hard the game is for people to play or how much time they cant dedicate to play because so many reasons.
do they want to just cater for people who want to live in a high security space and shoot defenceless people when there is lowsec and nullsec which is very unpopulated compared to highsec, they probably have many factors on to which they base what they do on but im guessing the survey they ask when players quite plays a significant role in how they decide.
basically games evolve over time, you either have to adapt to the situation or you find another way around it. people need to stop living in some ego bubble where they base the reasons of what they do on some Eve philosophy or ethical grounds to support the core meaning of the game.
EVE had year on year growth that no other MMO has ever managed to match while it had all of that danger. Over the last few years after a lot of buffs to safety it has not grown. There is zero evidence to back up your argument. BS Eve had year over year growth after the time Concord was buffed and highsec was made "safer" in your words... it started to stagnate and die again at the exact same time the first Hulkageddon and then again at the second Hulkageddon. Now, personally I don't think it was a cause and effect, but to claim that these "nerfs" to ganking slowed growth is hilarious, much more likely the uptick in high-sec ganking of miners and freighters slowed the growth. There is far more evidence to my bad argument than the other. Context, try using it.
Context? you have none. You have no idea what caused players to come or go from EvE. But there is a correlation with big gank events and population decline. There is however NO correlation to Concord buffs and population decline. In fact, our best years of growth were after Concord Buffs and introduction of freighters into the game. |
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Posted - 2015.02.18 13:19:04 -
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La Rynx wrote:snore...
what?
oh noes another of *those* threads again!
nerfs or bufs, eve will not die of that.
Ever heard of lo- and nullsec?
Where those big fights happen which eve is in the media for?
What hisec thingie got into the media?
A great number of ALODs, burn jita, the ice interdictions, the death of the imperial apoc, the fun M0o had.
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Posted - 2015.02.18 13:21:04 -
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Market McSelling Alt wrote:
Context? you have none. You have no idea what caused players to come or go from EvE. But there is a correlation with big gank events and population decline. There is however NO correlation to Concord buffs and population decline. In fact, our best years of growth were after Concord Buffs and introduction of freighters into the game.
Why are you ignoring the post that I was answering to?
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Posted - 2015.02.18 13:22:18 -
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Market McSelling Alt wrote:Dave Stark wrote:Market McSelling Alt wrote:You make it sound like there isn't guides for this kind of thing everywhere from TMC to Minerbumping. perhaps if you'd read one, you might stop posting things so outrageously wrong. then again, probably not. From TMC: Quote:"1)ADD CONCORD TO YOUR OVERVIEW. Seriously. Otherwise you're not going to notice Concord is already in the belt and get waxed immediately.
2)Make a hotkey for "engage drones". I like to use F9, then line up all of my mods I'm going to fire next to it, so I can mash, say, f4,f5,-f9. Drones are a key part of your dps and you need them engaged asap.
3)Do you have a high enough sec status to fly around in the system without getting gibbed by the faction police? Great! You should probably stock up the SMA with a few ships while you still can, and train a Mr. Happystandings (see below). If not, see the section below on life as a pirate.
4)A gank is 'lined up' with an alt. This alt futzes around the belt, and then sits next to a juicy-looking target. Your ganking ship then warps to your alt. If the miner is watching, they may notice you sitting next to them and get the **** out - if that happens, just line up a new gank. Even non-bots only pay attention every 10m or so.
5)Warp to your alt. Launch drones, then come to a complete stop (if you're in a blaster ship). Lock the target, then fire/tp/scram/web, then hit your engage drones hotkey (you made one, right?). Now, watch and wait. Once the ship blows up, use your alt (the one you lined up the gank with) to scoop the loot, then loot your own ship when CONCORD blows it up. Warp both your pod and your alt back to the closest station.
6)Immediately board a rookie ship or shuttle with your ganking alt, and undock. Don't touch anything after you do: wait for CONCORD to blow you up. You've just cleared CONCORD from the belt so the next guy can start his attack run.
7)**** up local something fierce." Seeing as how 1 and 2 can be done and never done again, 3-6 are really the only parts of this guide. Personally I think this is too extravagant as when I ganked I did it in Jita and only to the AFK inbounds on IV-4. But whatever, I forgot you must have a post-doctoral thesis on this very deep subject
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Posted - 2015.02.18 13:24:40 -
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baltec1 wrote:Market McSelling Alt wrote:
Context? you have none. You have no idea what caused players to come or go from EvE. But there is a correlation with big gank events and population decline. There is however NO correlation to Concord buffs and population decline. In fact, our best years of growth were after Concord Buffs and introduction of freighters into the game.
Why are you ignoring the post that I was answering to?
it wasnt an argument it was an opinion to why ccp make changes to game mechanics
but yeah "year on year growth"
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Posted - 2015.02.18 13:25:22 -
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Lan Wang wrote:baltec1 wrote:Lan Wang wrote:
do you think ccp just makes changes to game mechanics for the fun of things or on a whim? do they not listen to people about why they quit the game and how hard the game is for people to play or how much time they cant dedicate to play because so many reasons.
do they want to just cater for people who want to live in a high security space and shoot defenceless people when there is lowsec and nullsec which is very unpopulated compared to highsec, they probably have many factors on to which they base what they do on but im guessing the survey they ask when players quite plays a significant role in how they decide.
basically games evolve over time, you either have to adapt to the situation or you find another way around it. people need to stop living in some ego bubble where they base the reasons of what they do on some Eve philosophy or ethical grounds to support the core meaning of the game.
EVE had year on year growth that no other MMO has ever managed to match while it had all of that danger. Over the last few years after a lot of buffs to safety it has not grown. There is zero evidence to back up your argument. i suppose you have evidence to support this aswell yeah?
CCPs own data and several gaming news sites. You should probably have looked that up before you posted.
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Posted - 2015.02.18 13:26:38 -
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Lan Wang wrote:baltec1 wrote:Market McSelling Alt wrote:
Context? you have none. You have no idea what caused players to come or go from EvE. But there is a correlation with big gank events and population decline. There is however NO correlation to Concord buffs and population decline. In fact, our best years of growth were after Concord Buffs and introduction of freighters into the game.
Why are you ignoring the post that I was answering to? it wasnt an argument it was an opinion to why ccp make changes to game mechanics but yeah "year on year growth" http://eve-offline.net/?server=tranquility
Thats not subs. Why do you people ALWAYS get that one wrong?
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baltec1 wrote:Lan Wang wrote:baltec1 wrote:Market McSelling Alt wrote:
Context? you have none. You have no idea what caused players to come or go from EvE. But there is a correlation with big gank events and population decline. There is however NO correlation to Concord buffs and population decline. In fact, our best years of growth were after Concord Buffs and introduction of freighters into the game.
Why are you ignoring the post that I was answering to? it wasnt an argument it was an opinion to why ccp make changes to game mechanics but yeah "year on year growth" http://eve-offline.net/?server=tranquility
Thats not subs. Why do you people ALWAYS get that one wrong?
http://www.themittani.com/features/falling-subscription-numbers-what-can-be-done
or is this site just talking rubbish?
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