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Pyotr Kamarovi
EVE University Ivy League
4
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Posted - 2012.05.07 06:41:00 -
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Damn those miners for trying to avoid having to watch lasers flicker out from their ship for hours on end! Damn them! Why, it's not like minerals are an essential part of EVE, and gun mining is being nerfed! No, there are lots of sources of minerals, we don't need dirty, scum miners. |
Son IamaDerp
Federal Navy Academy Gallente Federation
22
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Posted - 2012.05.07 06:48:00 -
[692] - Quote
Damn, I actually read the OP's whole manifesto and it was beautiful. Just...beautiful. |
Lapine Davion
Outer Ring Applied Logistics
398
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Posted - 2012.05.07 08:05:00 -
[693] - Quote
Pyotr Kamarovi wrote:Damn those miners for trying to avoid having to watch lasers flicker out from their ship for hours on end! Damn them! Why, it's not like minerals are an essential part of EVE, and gun mining is being nerfed! No, there are lots of sources of minerals, we don't need dirty, scum miners.
We need fewer whiners and more miners. I myself am doing my part by mining everything I can in Nullsec, and not whining about it if i get blown up for not paying close enough attention.
Are you doing your part? Don't worry about posting with your main! -áPost with your brain! "Never attribute to malice that which is adequately explained by stupidity." |
Loike
The Alpha and the Omega Inver Brass
11
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Posted - 2012.05.07 08:09:00 -
[694] - Quote
I also like coke. |
Zirm
Debitum Naturae ROMANIAN-LEGION
0
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Posted - 2012.05.07 09:54:00 -
[695] - Quote
Eve needs trit so bad after drone nerf, pls stfu bot miners keep the low end mineral supply going. |
Luis Graca
11
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Posted - 2012.05.07 09:58:00 -
[696] - Quote
Why people are killing highsec miners?
Simple. why not? |
Tyrande Whispermoon
The Second Chapter
0
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Posted - 2012.05.07 11:52:00 -
[697] - Quote
At the risk of being labelled "carebear" I decided to join in this thread.
I run a very small purely high-sec mining/mission corp with a few of my real life friends, we like to senselessly murder defenceless 'roids for hours on end, clocking up the ISK so that we can go and do level 4 missions in shiny navy/pirate battleships and enjoy being pr01337 and epic etc etc /carebear ftw.
Now Hulkageddon is something of an annoyance to us, but it does't ruin the game for us, and we aren't stupid enough to go AFK mining even in High-sec at any time, player organised event or not. Any capsuleer with 1/2 a brain will have more than one source of income, and any good business person knows that putting all your eggs in one ORE basket is not a wise move but for those other miners who struggle with coming to terms with the dangers of spaceship mining, and rage at the gankers I have a philosophy for you:
Rule 34: Peace is good for business Rule 35: War is good for business Rule 45: Expand or die. Rule 62: The riskier the road, the greater the profit.
Basically what I'm saying is I support Hulkageddon and suicide ganking as a necessary evil, much like seal culling. I might not like the fact it happens, but I appreciate the need for it and the logic behind it.
Fly safe and always keep an eye on your scanner XD |
Krixtal Icefluxor
Bison - Ammatar Thunder Thundering Herd
798
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Posted - 2012.05.07 11:53:00 -
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Some threads just need to curl up in the corner and quietly give up the ghost..................... "Every other expansion has catered to the pew-pew need for more things to blow up; to more public cries of, "see how valuable I am!" - anon-á "You have to understand that the human ego will do whatever it takes to get attention because it needs to know that it exists." -- RuPaul |
Brooks Puuntai
Nomadic Asylum Alliance 99000802
533
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Posted - 2012.05.07 12:05:00 -
[699] - Quote
There's no way in hell I'm going to read all(any) of that. However I do have to give you props for writing it. Free-áKugutsumen from censorship and end the bitterness. |
Pyotr Kamarovi
EVE University Ivy League
4
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Posted - 2012.05.07 12:07:00 -
[700] - Quote
Lapine Davion wrote:Pyotr Kamarovi wrote:Damn those miners for trying to avoid having to watch lasers flicker out from their ship for hours on end! Damn them! Why, it's not like minerals are an essential part of EVE, and gun mining is being nerfed! No, there are lots of sources of minerals, we don't need dirty, scum miners. We need fewer whiners and more miners. I myself am doing my part by mining everything I can in Nullsec, and not whining about it if i get blown up for not paying close enough attention. Are you doing your part?
I don't mine. I hate mining. At least in missions I can have some input, but in mining I do nothing. But I respect miners for actually putting up with the sheer, mind-crushing boredom of it. |
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Sidus Isaacs
Center for Advanced Studies Gallente Federation
107
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Posted - 2012.05.07 12:21:00 -
[701] - Quote
Shea Valerien wrote:Always amazes me how much time you waste on these things.
And no, not every miner is essentially a "bot." No more than any mission runner. Or any exploration person that presses the same keys and repeats the same functions over and over. Or anybody that uses the same PVP fitting on his rifter and uses the same attack process almost every time. Or incursion runners. And it doesn't matter whether you do these in high, low or null (you almost need to be as vigilant in well traveled high sec systems these days as a miner as you do in low or nullsec).
Eve, in and of itself, is a spreadsheet game, which makes it very prone to "botting" behavior from every player. This isn't a reflex-based shooter.
These "manifestos" always humor me to no end.
I would suggest actually playing EVE for once... like really playing the game, not just grinding. To know the thrill of actual PVP, where your mind and ingenuity comes into play. To know he fun of engineering events to your desires. To be there with friends and those who you trust and do it together, or alone if that is your thing.
OP makes some baseless assumptions about some stupid stuff, but he is having fun and doing his thing. Is not that what EVE is really about? And I agree that afk high sec ming is beyond comprehension, I mean, if all you do is afk mine for the sake of afk mining. Its like a reflection of real life of those who go to work to get enough money just to continue to go to work. Mindlessly wasting their time for the sake of wasting their time. |
Ana Vyr
Vyral Technologies
251
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Posted - 2012.05.07 13:43:00 -
[702] - Quote
I wonder at times if they do it (kill miners) because there's really nothing better to do?
Nullsec gameplay is such a pain in the ass and non-casual. Lowsec...yeah. Wormholes...big commitment there to really do anything worthwhile.
Is this what "casual" PvP has evolved into? |
Asuri Kinnes
Adhocracy Incorporated Adhocracy
415
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Posted - 2012.05.07 14:48:00 -
[703] - Quote
James 315 wrote: I suppose you could say that I have a natural prejudice against them. Do I despise them? Absolutely.
my hatred of the miners becomes a non-factor.
But am I able to be completely objective? Hell yes! In studying the highsec miner, I am essentially a neutral party...
My objective analysis of the highsec miners has concluded that my prejudice against them is well-founded. They do deserve the disgust that people feel for them.
Stopped reading there....
Jesus, go get a cabin in the Rocky Mountains, ffs
Wormholes: The *NEW* end game of Eve - Online: No Local. No Lag. No Blues (No Intell Channesl). No Blobs.
NEW FEATURE: NO INCARNA! |
Calfis
The Dark Tribe Against ALL Authorities
93
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Posted - 2012.05.07 15:01:00 -
[704] - Quote
Shea Valerien wrote:Always amazes me how much time you waste on these things.
And no, not every miner is essentially a "bot." No more than any mission runner. Or any exploration person that presses the same keys and repeats the same functions over and over. Or anybody that uses the same PVP fitting on his rifter and uses the same attack process almost every time. Or incursion runners. And it doesn't matter whether you do these in high, low or null (you almost need to be as vigilant in well traveled high sec systems these days as a miner as you do in low or nullsec).
Eve, in and of itself, is a spreadsheet game, which makes it very prone to "botting" behavior from every player. This isn't a reflex-based shooter.
These "manifestos" always humor me to no end.
Sorry bro, you can't read a book while you are pvping or doing incursions. Its not the same thing no matter how much you want to say it is to say its just as interactive as any other activity in EVE. Its not, its literally the least interactive activity in EVE. Which is a point that the OP made, if you bothered to read thru most of the original post, which you probably didn't before you thought you'd hit the reply button and say something worthwhile when in fact you didn't say anything at all. |
Asuri Kinnes
Adhocracy Incorporated Adhocracy
415
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Posted - 2012.05.07 15:22:00 -
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Calfis wrote:Sorry bro, you can't read a book while you are pvping or doing incursions. And that's the *MINERS* fault?
Look, that was so stupid, I have to ask... Are you normally that dense, or did you go to the stupid locker and pull out an "extra-large" - just for this thread?
Wormholes: The *NEW* end game of Eve - Online: No Local. No Lag. No Blues (No Intell Channesl). No Blobs.
NEW FEATURE: NO INCARNA! |
Nate Hill
Federal Navy Academy Gallente Federation
8
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Posted - 2012.05.07 15:34:00 -
[706] - Quote
Because Hulk seller sells Hulk. |
Barakach
R-ISK Shadow Operations.
67
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Posted - 2012.05.07 15:53:00 -
[707] - Quote
Calfis wrote:Shea Valerien wrote:Always amazes me how much time you waste on these things.
And no, not every miner is essentially a "bot." No more than any mission runner. Or any exploration person that presses the same keys and repeats the same functions over and over. Or anybody that uses the same PVP fitting on his rifter and uses the same attack process almost every time. Or incursion runners. And it doesn't matter whether you do these in high, low or null (you almost need to be as vigilant in well traveled high sec systems these days as a miner as you do in low or nullsec).
Eve, in and of itself, is a spreadsheet game, which makes it very prone to "botting" behavior from every player. This isn't a reflex-based shooter.
These "manifestos" always humor me to no end. Sorry bro, you can't read a book while you are pvping or doing incursions. Its not the same thing no matter how much you want to say it is to say its just as interactive as any other activity in EVE. Its not, its literally the least interactive activity in EVE. Which is a point that the OP made, if you bothered to read thru most of the original post, which you probably didn't before you thought you'd hit the reply button and say something worthwhile when in fact you didn't say anything at all.
I thought war dec'n indy corps and station camping was the least interactive "activity" in Eve.
That being said, the best argument for high sec ganking miners is to reduce the "camouflage" caused by more human miners, which allows more botters to get killed.
Manufacturers, traders, researchers, are much less interactive than high sec mining and are much more lucrative, yet I don't see anyone bashing on them.
From a human perspective, I know several heavy PvP'rs who "afk" mine during the week days because they're busy watching their kids. They use this ISK to fund their weekend PvP activities. A blanket statement to say all high sec miners deserve to be ganked is quite ignorant. |
Antisocial Malkavian
Federal Navy Academy Gallente Federation
66
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Posted - 2012.05.07 16:13:00 -
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The more often they let this guys rants stay shows the bias CCP has against Miners in this game. If CCP disagreed with the OP theyd close this thread for the rant that it is. http://www.bioone.org/doi/abs/10.2317/JKES0811.17.1 Bees That Drink Human Tears -- ITS SCIENCE!!! |
Lady Vamp
Ntak Inc.
1
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Posted - 2012.05.07 16:16:00 -
[709] - Quote
Arethanerielle Xhiril wrote:Guys it's just a troll, propably some goon alt, imitating psychopaths like breivik for maximum controversy.
Move on, nothing to see here.
Keep the man away from small islands |
Calfis
The Dark Tribe Against ALL Authorities
93
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Posted - 2012.05.07 16:48:00 -
[710] - Quote
Asuri Kinnes wrote:Calfis wrote:Sorry bro, you can't read a book while you are pvping or doing incursions. And that's the *MINERS* fault? Look, that was so stupid, I have to ask... Are you normally that dense, or did you go to the stupid locker and pull out an "extra-large" - just for this thread? Edit to add: How is the mechanic of the thing the *miners* fault?
No its not, but using the same fit for PvP all the time or targeting the same sansha NPCs in sites is still not the same as AFK mining. Which is the previous poster was trying to argue, something along the lines of if "AFK mining is botting then we are all botting because we do the same things all the time in other aspects of eve" at least thats how I interpreted it. Please tell me if that was not actually what he was arguing. |
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Jonak
POS Builder Inc. Silent Requiem
3
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Posted - 2012.05.07 20:24:00 -
[711] - Quote
Why don't miners just not sell anything (ore, ice, gas products, etc) for 30 days. Or sell them at ridiculously high prices. Then if someone wants to build something they have to use their own minerals or mine for themselves. |
SabotNoob
Sabot Industries
47
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Posted - 2012.05.07 21:00:00 -
[712] - Quote
To write a "manifesto" on an internet spaceship game. Especially a "manifesto" that 's violently bad. This game has gotten under your skin, that much is obvious.
You're wasting your life on this drivel. Do this- Deep breath, go outside, make some RL friends, etc. Get a job too while you're at it. Meet some girls, can't go wrong with them (well, maybe you can with some, but still...). Hopefully you'll loosen up. Who knows, maybe you'll come back and start mining, lol. |
Lyrrashae
Crushed Ambitions Reckless Ambition
314
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Posted - 2012.05.07 21:36:00 -
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James 315 wrote:Lyrrashae wrote:Still not locked?
Ha-ha! IN!!
(Gas thread, perma-ban OP for being a complete jackass, and [/necro]) On the contrary, it would appear my manifesto is more relevant today than ever before.
Yeah, but you're still a prat.
[/necro]
Braaaaaaaiiin... |
Asuri Kinnes
Adhocracy Incorporated Adhocracy
421
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Posted - 2012.05.08 10:51:00 -
[714] - Quote
Lyrrashae wrote:James 315 wrote:Lyrrashae wrote:Still not locked?
Ha-ha! IN!!
(Gas thread, perma-ban OP for being a complete jackass, and [/necro]) On the contrary, it would appear my manifesto is more relevant today than ever before. No, it's not, and you're still a prat. [/necro] FYP....
Calfis wrote:No its not, but using the same fit for PvP all the time or targeting the same sansha NPCs in sites is still not the same as AFK mining. Which is the previous poster was trying to argue, something along the lines of if "AFK mining is botting then we are all botting because we do the same things all the time in other aspects of eve" at least thats how I interpreted it. Please tell me if that was not actually what he was arguing. I believe he was using hyperbole - at least that's how I took it, i.e. "eve isn't a twitch based game..."
vOv
Wormholes: The *NEW* end game of Eve - Online: No Local. No Lag. No Blues (No Intell Channesl). No Blobs.
NEW FEATURE: NO INCARNA! |
Malkhar Turasan
Everyshore Extraction and Logistics
0
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Posted - 2012.05.08 11:20:00 -
[715] - Quote
OP is a typing bot
gave me a good laugh until reading gets too boring at all |
Tor Gungnir
Agenda Industries
12
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Posted - 2012.05.08 12:36:00 -
[716] - Quote
The OP had to use all those words just to say what I can summarize in one sentence:
"I'm a douche-bag." |
SuperKawaiiDesuYo
N3UR0TIC
0
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Posted - 2012.05.08 14:08:00 -
[717] - Quote
like most people attempting to write on the internet, you spend too much time not explaining what people are expecting. plenty of mystery novels do this, 50-75% of the beginning is all random conjecture that isn't interesting, and when you finally get to the point (in this case why do people kill miners, or i mystery novels the actual killing/solving) i've already wanted to stop reading because you're bored me to death and the first point you make on assuming everyone is a botter, is incorrect.
unless this a troll post, in which case congrats! you've probably wasted a lot of time, but only 5 minutes of my time reading some of your post/writing this. i guess i've wasted your time reading this too, cool. i love eve online. |
ineeda isk
Hedion University Amarr Empire
0
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Posted - 2012.05.08 14:12:00 -
[718] - Quote
wow makes me want to get a pvp bot |
Ban Bindy
Bindy Brothers Pottery Association
133
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Posted - 2012.05.08 14:24:00 -
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How many times is this crap going to get posted over and over again? The need to write it in the first place was pretty sick, given the creepy sociopath vibe it gives off. The need to post it over and over adds to the effect. Who cares why you think miners are the worst side of eve? I think you're the worst side of Eve. We both have opinions. I can express mine briefly. You need thousands of words.
Nobody needs an excuse to kill anything in this game, right? That's the point.
You make reasons for killing miners because you want some justification that makes it heroic to shoot a ship that can't shoot back. Simple. |
Oraac Ensor
School of Applied Knowledge Caldari State
5
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Posted - 2012.05.08 14:31:00 -
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James 315 wrote:Before I begin to explain the forces behind the rapid increase in hatred and violence against the miners, I probably ought to make some disclosures. I am a suicide ganker. I kill highsec miners. And aside from the reasons that we'll be exploring in a moment, I simply don't have any fondness for highsec miners. Personally, I just find them easy to dislike. Even apart from what they actually do, their presence has always irritated me. I suppose you could say that I have a natural prejudice against them.
When I examine the phenomenon of the highsec miner, I put all of that aside. Do I despise them? Absolutely. But am I able to be completely objective? Hell yes! In studying the highsec miner, I am essentially a neutral party, as my hatred of the miners becomes a non-factor. What utter garbage!
Your admitted prejudice makes objectivity absolutely impossible. |
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