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Wrok
Caldari Reikoku Band of Brothers
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Posted - 2006.10.11 18:08:00 -
[31]
Awsome write up dude
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Traxio Nacho
Sharks With Frickin' Laser Beams Mercenary Coalition
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Posted - 2006.10.11 18:14:00 -
[32]
Originally by: SATAN I have to say that taking advantage of friendly standings to plan and impliment your invasion is severly cheap. You should have made sure that as soon as your contract was over that they set their standings to at least neutral.
Does this post mean you are leaving IAC space?
At the end of the day its not our job to make sure people have reset their standings, however you can hardly convo someone when you plan to do a surprise attack on and say "hey guys you got us set to neutral right?" it might give the game away
Nice read Sel as usual
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Raem Civrie
Umbra Congregatio Interstellar Alcohol Conglomerate
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Posted - 2006.10.11 18:16:00 -
[33]
Originally by: SATAN I have to say that taking advantage of friendly standings to plan and impliment your invasion is severly cheap. You should have made sure that as soon as your contract was over that they set their standings to at least neutral.
Does this post mean you are leaving IAC space?
Oversight on both ends. We weren't diligent at updating standings, they forgot to contact us to tell us that they had ended the UK contract (original reason behind positive standing).
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Traxio Nacho
Sharks With Frickin' Laser Beams Mercenary Coalition
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Posted - 2006.10.11 18:19:00 -
[34]
Originally by: Raem Civrie
Originally by: SATAN I have to say that taking advantage of friendly standings to plan and impliment your invasion is severly cheap. You should have made sure that as soon as your contract was over that they set their standings to at least neutral.
Does this post mean you are leaving IAC space?
Oversight on both ends. We weren't diligent at updating standings, they forgot to contact us to tell us that they had ended the UK contract (original reason behind positive standing).
Agreed was a slight issue on both sides, but we have apologised many times and are sorry for the confusion
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Alfarinn
Amarr FIRMA Interstellar Alcohol Conglomerate
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Posted - 2006.10.11 18:19:00 -
[35]
Originally by: Seleene *A good well thought out post with no smack*
*Alfarinn raises a glass
Huzzah!
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Draximus Cane
Body Count Inc. Mercenary Coalition
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Posted - 2006.10.11 18:20:00 -
[36]
Originally by: SATAN I have to say that taking advantage of friendly standings to plan and impliment your invasion is severly cheap. You should have made sure that as soon as your contract was over that they set their standings to at least neutral.
Does this post mean you are leaving IAC space?
Awsome statigic mind you have!
No wonder BE is so well respected -------------------------------------------------
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Leo McGarry
Contraband Inc. Mercenary Coalition
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Posted - 2006.10.11 18:20:00 -
[37]
You missed the most important thing Seleene.
I had an outpost with my name on it :D
Come on ladies - who wants a touch
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Fredbob
Draconis Navitas Aeterna Pure.
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Posted - 2006.10.11 18:22:00 -
[38]
Thats a great writeup on a very interesting bit of conflict, with screenies to boot - woot ^_^
/me heads to mcfix for his lunch* ___________ ~Fredbob~
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Sivona
Body Count Inc. Mercenary Coalition
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Posted - 2006.10.11 18:30:00 -
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Originally by: Raem Civrie Edited by: Raem Civrie on 11/10/2006 17:53:08 God bless you Seleene. You have united us like no other.
Throughout this we were thoroughly impressed by MC's committment, and especially the initial blitzkrieg, but G7 is our home and always will be. We were one of the first small alliances to carve out a home in this way and nothing was going to take that away from us, and we are not alone as you have seen yourself.
In fact, the outpouring of support came as a pleasant surprise to many of us. I'll never forget the moment where our gang was moving to G7 from F4 on sunday night, and was greeted by the 80-something Goons sitting at the MB gate led in part by Tyrrax Thorrk, or the realization that at least half of our forces in G7 were non-IAC allies. CVA in particular honoured their friendship, along with Axiom who turned up in force as opposed to the few ships we had apparently been promised. To this day I have no idea where the Goons came from, that was apparently Tyrrax's doing.
As for GM interventions, they were... very strange, and lamentable even if in the end they favoured us. However, I do think you overestimated the effect of taking the Distillery; many of our members, their primary ships locked from them in the station, ran into Empire and fetched new combat ships, be it battleships, cruisers or frigates. The F4 outpost of course helped enormously in this regard, and it would've been harder for us to operate out of Litom than F4.
It's not over though, more people are joining the party, and I suspect IAC will not rest until our space is safe enough for us to reopen it to passing neutrals.
That was some fairly insane action, while we dont feel we were treated fairly by the GM or the node drops its something thats happened and we will move on, who's to say when we lined up and prepared to warp in before the warp in that, that warp in woud not of resulted in our fleets destruction there are just too many unknowns. While it might of hosed our strategy but it doesn't change the fact that IAC fought hard to save G-7 and this is the way things have turned out.
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riana maldun
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Posted - 2006.10.11 18:30:00 -
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nice read seleene
sorry to hear about the server problems, I am convinced that is everyones number one enemy in battle right now
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Hectic
Reikoku Band of Brothers
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Posted - 2006.10.11 18:32:00 -
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I have to say, I've seen a lot of IAC taking this whle thing very well. Nice to see an opponent showing respect where respect is due, and not holding a grudge.
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LoxyRider
Body Count Inc. Mercenary Coalition
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Posted - 2006.10.11 18:35:00 -
[42]
OUTSTANDING write up!
I hope not just the people involved will read this but also new players to the game and those in empire.
Look what you can get up to in Eve guys!
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Cividari
Caldari Shiva Morsus Mihi
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Posted - 2006.10.11 18:36:00 -
[43]
Very nice post, nice to know what happened down there
Also, is your contract over? Do you consider it successfull even though you didnt keep the outpost?
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Weatherman
Gallente Xoth Inc Firmus Ixion
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Posted - 2006.10.11 18:40:00 -
[44]
Great write up!
It was tons of fun flying w/ MC! I was just logging on before the node crash fubared station ownership. I heard them talking about warping in on the fleet on TS and was like "oh crap oh crap I hope I log in fast enough to join them" then I heard "the node crashed." It was actually kind of funny from my persperctive but it ended up sucking.
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Raem Civrie
Umbra Congregatio Interstellar Alcohol Conglomerate
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Posted - 2006.10.11 18:43:00 -
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Originally by: Weatherman Great write up!
It was tons of fun flying w/ MC! I was just logging on before the node crash fubared station ownership. I heard them talking about warping in on the fleet on TS and was like "oh crap oh crap I hope I log in fast enough to join them" then I heard "the node crashed." It was actually kind of funny from my persperctive but it ended up sucking.
You should've heard our TS after the first two or three node crashes.
"Ok. Only battleships from A-M start shooting. WAIT WAIT WAIT LAG EVERYONE STOP DOING ANYTHING." *5 minutes pass* "Ok, node's holding, let's try again". *repeat*
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Riazal
AirHawk Alliance Interstellar Starbase Syndicate
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Posted - 2006.10.11 18:44:00 -
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Another great report by Seleene this is the type of thing i personally enjoy seing rather than the smackfests most other posts turn into. While they have a short term fun element Seleene's posts leave them trailing in the dust. Keep up the good posts Seleene and i hope you and others who enjoy writing such things get your wish for your own forum Riazal Ps looking for a forum sig :)
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Kaylana Syi
Minmatar The Nest Interstellar Alcohol Conglomerate
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Posted - 2006.10.11 18:50:00 -
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Originally by: jbob2000 If what you say about the GMs actions are true, then that is total BS! I hope you have some kind of active petition about that issue, because in my opinion and based on what you've said, that shouldn't have happened.
Let me clear something up RIGHT NOW. The server node crashes were randomly warping people from safespots and POSs into random areas at any given time. Since McFix were already setup at gate and station camps we were getting slaughtered NOT by anything other than server hickups landing us on enemy ships.
You can see that even McFix was getting the same issue but to a much lesser extent. That is why the GM intervened. Because EVER SINGLE LOSS that came from that was petitionable for both sides. Because McFix was in defense the GMs made a cease fire which was supposedly ONLY supposed to be for undocked ships.
Now anyone that from IAC that took advantage from this should be petitioned as exploiting and that person should be banned for atleast 3 days imo for not folowing GM orders. The GMs acted in neutral in this but was willing to work with those in control at the time to keep the node in check.
It should also be said that someone on the McFix side petitioned us for can exploiting and came in very abruptly and told us in local to stop doing something we WERE NOT doing. Then after we mass petitioned back GM Ginger and his other GMs online at the time came back in and said in Local that IAC WAS NOT EXPLOITING.
So... lets not even question the GMs in this. Had McFix not blasted every random bug warp they could to fill their killboards there would not have been any GM intervention on a cease fire. Do not blame the GMs blame McFix for not working with the GMs.
Gus Preston worked over 2 hours with GM Ginger to stabilize the node while we took back our Outpost. Without node crash scare ( which resets your outpost shields back to 100% ) we could have taken back the outpost within minutes. Because of node crashes it took hours. That means our forces kept dwindling and we couldn't keep McFix at bay forever. Finally McFix took back the outpost after our 6 hour futile effort of reclaiming and shield repping the outpost under GM node supervision.
This whole war might have been futile for McFix because of node crashes. But lets not forget why they crashed. IAC has more friends ( even friendly enemies ) than people gave them credit for. I am damn proud to be IAC and I believe everyone in the EVE community can atleast be witness to a monumental achievement to overcome an outpost attack by MC.
Cheers to all sides.
Team Minmatar Carriers need Clone Vats
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Tsun
Caldari 4S Corporation Morsus Mihi
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Posted - 2006.10.11 18:53:00 -
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thanks alot for shareing this, it has been an awesome read. as well nice to see that both sides can enjoy the fights and keep it clean, feels way more like an adult game then (and no, i did not mean certain locations in the gallente outpost ...)
no Girls, no Schnaps, no Place to stay !
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Grimster
Body Count Inc. Mercenary Coalition
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Posted - 2006.10.11 18:59:00 -
[49]
However you want to try and spin it, the fact still remains that even by docking at that station (not yours remember) you were exploiting the node crash. But I don't want to derail this thread by smacking your post so will leave it there, the servers were to blame, not the players.
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FowlPlayChiken
Sharks With Frickin' Laser Beams Mercenary Coalition
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Posted - 2006.10.11 18:59:00 -
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very awesome writeup sel. bawk!
Just podded this sig, now where is my toy? - Wrangler |
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Alfarinn
Amarr FIRMA Interstellar Alcohol Conglomerate
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Posted - 2006.10.11 19:00:00 -
[51]
Thanks to all those who came to our aid, we couldn't have achieved this without you
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Sivona
Body Count Inc. Mercenary Coalition
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Posted - 2006.10.11 19:02:00 -
[52]
Originally by: Kaylana Syi
Originally by: jbob2000 If what you say about the GMs actions are true, then that is total BS! I hope you have some kind of active petition about that issue, because in my opinion and based on what you've said, that shouldn't have happened.
Let me clear something up RIGHT NOW. The server node crashes were randomly warping people from safespots and POSs into random areas at any given time. Since McFix were already setup at gate and station camps we were getting slaughtered NOT by anything other than server hickups landing us on enemy ships.
You can see that even McFix was getting the same issue but to a much lesser extent. That is why the GM intervened. Because EVER SINGLE LOSS that came from that was petitionable for both sides. Because McFix was in defense the GMs made a cease fire which was supposedly ONLY supposed to be for undocked ships.
Now anyone that from IAC that took advantage from this should be petitioned as exploiting and that person should be banned for atleast 3 days imo for not folowing GM orders. The GMs acted in neutral in this but was willing to work with those in control at the time to keep the node in check.
It should also be said that someone on the McFix side petitioned us for can exploiting and came in very abruptly and told us in local to stop doing something we WERE NOT doing. Then after we mass petitioned back GM Ginger and his other GMs online at the time came back in and said in Local that IAC WAS NOT EXPLOITING.
So... lets not even question the GMs in this. Had McFix not blasted every random bug warp they could to fill their killboards there would not have been any GM intervention on a cease fire. Do not blame the GMs blame McFix for not working with the GMs.
Gus Preston worked over 2 hours with GM Ginger to stabilize the node while we took back our Outpost. Without node crash scare ( which resets your outpost shields back to 100% ) we could have taken back the outpost within minutes. Because of node crashes it took hours. That means our forces kept dwindling and we couldn't keep McFix at bay forever. Finally McFix took back the outpost after our 6 hour futile effort of reclaiming and shield repping the outpost under GM node supervision.
This whole war might have been futile for McFix because of node crashes. But lets not forget why they crashed. IAC has more friends ( even friendly enemies ) than people gave them credit for. I am damn proud to be IAC and I believe everyone in the EVE community can atleast be witness to a monumental achievement to overcome an outpost attack by MC.
Cheers to all sides.
If you want to talk about it there is a thread on the mc forums (you need to reg an account). I dont know if this thread is the place for it and i dont know if this type of discussion is really allowed in here.
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Audrea
Momentum.
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Posted - 2006.10.11 19:08:00 -
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Very good read. Nice to see some admit defeat publically and describe the siege etc.
So does that mean the contract ended? or will you launch second attack? ------------------ yay, the Deimos has been saved! |
Seleene
Body Count Inc. Mercenary Coalition
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Posted - 2006.10.11 19:13:00 -
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Originally by: Grimster However you want to try and spin it, the fact still remains that even by docking at that station (not yours remember) you were exploiting the node crash . But I don't want to derail this thread by smacking your post so will leave it there, the servers were to blame, not the players.
Grim says it all, TBH.
Feel free to debate your point of view in the other thread, please. Or, even better, write up your own version.
I will say this though - while we probably did get a few kills due to the node crash, there really were not that many. We had experience with this from a couple weeks ago and managed to pull our gang back together fairly quickly, so that probably had something to do with it as well.
At the end of the day, it was the code that failed us all. -
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Firane
Band of Builders Inc. Firmus Ixion
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Posted - 2006.10.11 19:28:00 -
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Edited by: Firane on 11/10/2006 19:33:39 Great thread Seleene. Its too bad this had to come to a premature finish due to the horrible node and GM actions though.
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Crovan
Sharks With Frickin' Laser Beams Mercenary Coalition
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Posted - 2006.10.11 19:39:00 -
[56]
Mmmm...sexy.
I got a particular trinket that will hold a special place in my heart while in G-7.
Also, the first node crash left me with serious anger management issues. I believe it was Strad who said, "This is the kind of fight you guys are going to brag about for weeks." We all believed it. We were psyched up and ready to kick some ass, then kerplunk. Sadness.
Thanks to IAC for not accusing us of haxxsploiting for being able to get ourselves back into a coherent gang quickly after the crash. There was some smack, but I think most of us (myself at least) were really the most ****ed about was the state of the servers. Usually I get that aggression out via pewpewpew.
GF.
I reiterate that, since we missed our giant fight of coolness, coolest fight of the weekend, imo, goes to the carrier supported camp-busting. That was serious lol material. What witless noob volunteered to sit still for 10min while we jumped 4 carriers into the camp?
Farjung FanBois, Charter Member
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Butter Dog
The Dead Miners Society
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Posted - 2006.10.11 19:42:00 -
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Great write-up.
The things you mention about GM's and Nodes are the main reason I don't bother playing much at the moment, aside from RL stuff. Its all rather depressing, really.
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BoinKlasik
Eye of God Axiom Empire
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Posted - 2006.10.11 19:44:00 -
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sounds....fun? Mebbe?
*doh, I broke my edited sig :/* *cries* this signature was lacking pink, I'll provide it for you. There. Looks better doesn't it? -Eris Fixed it for you. Oh, btw, yarr! ~kieron Didn't I tell you? The damsel moved in with me, we're having a great time. - Wrangler The damsel may not be distressed any more, but how many times does the informant have to be silenced before he gets the message? - Cortes
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Waagaa Ktlehr
Amarr Body Count Inc. Mercenary Coalition
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Posted - 2006.10.11 19:44:00 -
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Originally by: Crovan Mmmm...sexy.
I got a particular trinket that will hold a special place in my heart while in G-7.
Also, the first node crash left me with serious anger management issues. I believe it was Strad who said, "This is the kind of fight you guys are going to brag about for weeks." We all believed it. We were psyched up and ready to kick some ass, then kerplunk. Sadness.
Thanks to IAC for not accusing us of haxxsploiting for being able to get ourselves back into a coherent gang quickly after the crash. There was some smack, but I think most of us (myself at least) were really the most ****ed about was the state of the servers. Usually I get that aggression out via pewpewpew.
GF.
I reiterate that, since we missed our giant fight of coolness, coolest fight of the weekend, imo, goes to the carrier supported camp-busting. That was serious lol material. What witless noob volunteered to sit still for 10min while we jumped 4 carriers into the camp?
:) No **** man, that was definitely one of the most fun fights for me to command, I didn't fire a single shot that whole fight as I was cowering like a scared dog in my Buzzard. :) -
- One ship to jam them all, one ship to damp them. One ship to suck them dry and in the dark void gank them. |
Cabadrin
Caldari Sharks With Frickin' Laser Beams Mercenary Coalition
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Posted - 2006.10.11 19:50:00 -
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Great write-up, mirrors a lot of what I experienced _______________________________________________
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