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Deco Parish
The Imperial Commonwealth Interstellar Alcohol Conglomerate
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Posted - 2006.10.11 21:26:00 -
[91]
Awesome read :)
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maGz
The Priory Interstellar Alcohol Conglomerate
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Posted - 2006.10.11 21:38:00 -
[92]
Edited by: maGz on 11/10/2006 21:38:31
Originally by: Haargoth Agamar
Originally by: Kaylana Syi
Originally by: Imode Edited by: Imode on 11/10/2006 20:49:18
Originally by: Kaylana Syi
Originally by: Firane
Originally by: Kaylana Syi
Originally by: Altai Saker I cant believe mc have problems getting their loss mails posted...
It is FIX that have the hard time, not MC. That BS fleet we took out friday night was 16-17 battleships.
As has been said many times, contact a FIX director to get it sorted out. Whining on the forums is likely not going to get you anywhere.
I am not whining ****head. Just stating a fact. Have your directors contact your pilots to get it sorted.
Sheesh, take it easy.
Killboards are only e-peen contests anyway. If you killed them, you killed them. Just because the rest of the world can't see the killmails doesn't mean they didn't happen.
Don't call me a whiner then.
Did Imode call you a whiner? No, so stfu. 
The thread was going so well and then you came by... you've gotten some bad habbits from all your time on the lap of the bobbits (no offense meant to BoB, only to FIX)  ____________
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Murukan
Minmatar The Priory Interstellar Alcohol Conglomerate
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Posted - 2006.10.11 21:47:00 -
[93]
pff magz you need to be quicker!! I already flamed fix for being useless lapdogs on the previous page!
In rust we trust!!! |

n sx
The Tidemark Interstellar Alcohol Conglomerate
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Posted - 2006.10.11 21:59:00 -
[94]
Seleene, great post and I thank you for writing it. I know this stuff takes time.
There is an obvious bias and spin to your side, including the claims regarding GM intervention which I refuse to get involved in. All I will say is that BOTH sides benefitted and also suffered in some way from the GM's.
What I do want to say is, this has been an extremely enlightening experience for IAC and one of the best alliance forging exercises anyone could ask for. Our long standing and also recently recruited corps have really stood tall, wearing the IAC badge proudly. Massive thanks to our FC's also, they served us well and did us all proud. It's great to see an entire alliance of pilots login and immediately ask where they can all help with the effort. Similarly seeing those at work are filling our forums with requests for updates, psycing up the for the night ahead!
IAC owes a massive deal of thanks to our friends (and enemies ) who have stood by us throughout this McFIX invasion. On behalf of all our pilots and IAC alliance leadership thanks goto CVA, AXE, 187, SNIGG, GoonSwarm and also the smaller corps who also assisted.
Additionally, what has been most overwhelming is the moral support offered by members of the EVE community. Corps which have killed IAC pilots daily, or have done in the past offering verbal support and even troops has been admirable. Yesterday, I re-read the entire 'Operation Prohibition' thread and I saw in the early days many simply wrote us off. Knowing the true timeline of events I could see the tone of the thread changing from both those involved along with that of the onlookers.
A message to MC - You guys are awesome pilots and your skills and experience are obviously the reason why you are so successful. In the future though, I feel that more and more of your operations will be like this recent one with IAC. It's becoming obvious the greater EVE community is defiant in the face of overwhelming adversity and the establishment that you and others have created. The entire political landscape of EVE is changing immensely with all the intertwined conflict. When you came to battle with an Alliance that is so universally disliked, it also became significantly easier for us and others to gain the support. Couple that with the fact this was fought on our terms (except friday), and not yours made it all the more sweeter.
A message to FIX - To be brutally honest, you were the thorn in MC's side. This is purely a political standpoint and something that made it easier and easier for us to rally troops. To resolve this problem, could be as simple as changing your name. That said, its always great fun to fight the FIX pilots, whom have given IAC plenty of enjoyment for the last few months. You are a little closer to our league skill and experience wise, but you certainly show that you're a formidable force to recon with.
A message to the Contractor - There's about 10,000 theories as to whom has asked for IAC to be hit, none of which we're particularly keen on actioning. We will go on life as normal protecting our assets, that of our friends and also neutrals in our space. All I can say to you is I hope you got what you wanted from all this - you have only made us stronger.
To EVE/CPP - What a game. but this is the future of battles in EVE. Empires have been built, now they are to be torn apart on epic scales. I do hope that the time we spent trying to work out station takedown lag/node crashes is valuable and that it can be improved for all of us.
In summary, we're all down on sleep but all absolutely LOVED every minute of this. I thought erecting an outpost or two was hard, this is even more rewarding! It's not over yet though, we've still got KIA and their buddies to deal with - which we're looking forward to. Not to mention we're waiting for MC to return to finish the job.
One last comment .... history repeats itself, prohibition will never work 
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Antiochus Laetus
Technology Acquisition Collective Interstellar Alcohol Conglomerate
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Posted - 2006.10.11 22:06:00 -
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Originally by: Raem Civrie
Originally by: Weatherman Great write up!
It was tons of fun flying w/ MC! I was just logging on before the node crash fubared station ownership. I heard them talking about warping in on the fleet on TS and was like "oh crap oh crap I hope I log in fast enough to join them" then I heard "the node crashed." It was actually kind of funny from my persperctive but it ended up sucking.
You should've heard our TS after the first two or three node crashes.
"Ok. Only battleships from A-M start shooting. WAIT WAIT WAIT LAG EVERYONE STOP DOING ANYTHING." *5 minutes pass* "Ok, node's holding, let's try again". *repeat*
QFT. Well written Seleene
Its kinda cool that I was there for those major battles, never loss my little kessie. This event has drawn us together, people who had previously been empire dwellers, took a risk and ran the channels to g7. Including me, I usually stay in empire (trying to get that shiny new navy raven), but this needed my attention. I really need a signature. |

maGz
The Priory Interstellar Alcohol Conglomerate
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Posted - 2006.10.11 22:11:00 -
[96]
Originally by: Murukan pff magz you need to be quicker!! I already flamed fix for being useless lapdogs on the previous page!
I'm cooler tho  ____________
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Red Horseman
Dark Knights of Deneb Interstellar Alcohol Conglomerate
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Posted - 2006.10.11 22:21:00 -
[97]
GF's all around, and thanks for giving us time to resupply before you hit us again this weekend. 
Kinda interesting to have all those capital ships flying around without ONE of them dying... although I came close to losing an archon when two hours after a node crash I was teleported to the heavily camped station. I was all ready to jump out so I escaped, but I still peed a little. 
Here's looking forward to our next fight. Cheers!

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Wraithstorm
Elite Storm Enterprises Storm Armada
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Posted - 2006.10.11 22:35:00 -
[98]
The most interesting read Ive had in a longtime on any level. I Thank you Seleene for this detailed account of events in the area.
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Tyrrax Thorrk
Amarr Umbra Congregatio Interstellar Alcohol Conglomerate
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Posted - 2006.10.11 22:38:00 -
[99]
Excellent writeup Seleene 
I think the node-crashes are the primary reason you got so many kills, the first one that hit us with 373 in local had the unfortunate side-effect of lagging the system out to such an extent that people were random warped repeatedly, either to safespots, the outpost or gates, getting a great deal of people killed by MC forces which were assembled on the outpost / gate whereas our regathering was supposed to be taking place at a POS.
Without it we would've been able to both prevent you from successfully taking on any of our POS coming out of reinforced and probably managed to take outpost a lot earlier, and stop you from retaking it. CVA forces left entirely shortly after node crash due to the breakdown in organization and communication, while all our forces could do was die/log off since the system kept random warping us until downtime. Some of our newbies believed this was MC GMs /tring them to their deaths 
(I lucked out and all 10 of my random warps were to a safespot, not to an McFIX camp).
In hindsight we should probly have had everyone move to 6-MM to regroup, but returning to G-7W would've been futile anyway with the system as FUBAR as it was.
The McFIX attack took us entirely by surprise and pretty much totally unprepared, our F4R outpost had not been stocked with anything, (some pvpers had moved their stuff there, but replacement ships and mods were entirely lacking). So we pretty much decided not to worry about responding until the first POS came out of reinforced, at which point we intended to slaughter MC's dreads, zerg-style We actually ended up with way more people than I had really planned for which had the unfortunate effect of preventing McFIX from fielding anything juicy for us to kill. 
I guess the inadequate server / initially massive defence force broke your morale so you only put up a token effort to take any of the POS out once your first effort failed.. Quite disappointing since we never got to put into play our planned (hilarious) anti-dread defence tactics. 
Very fun fighting FIX, too few fights with MC for my tastes.
Congratulations IAC on being MC's first failure at meeting initial contract objectives. 
Oh and gg FIX for hiring MC, didn't make much sense until Seleene mentioned that you guys had planned all this before ASCN/BoB started. You can stop pretending you got hired too now, the truth is out. 
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nicad
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Posted - 2006.10.11 22:41:00 -
[100]
HA HA last time i seen mc beat was foe vs dont get 2*****ey u fighting alot off the same guys gl mc u need it
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Stradivarious
Minmatar Body Count Inc. Mercenary Coalition
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Posted - 2006.10.11 22:41:00 -
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Originally by: Red Horseman GF's all around, and thanks for giving us time to resupply before you hit us again this weekend. 
Kinda interesting to have all those capital ships flying around without ONE of them dying... although I came close to losing an archon when two hours after a node crash I was teleported to the heavily camped station. I was all ready to jump out so I escaped, but I still peed a little. 
Here's looking forward to our next fight. Cheers!

I was 12km from you when you came out of warp m8, started locking and you disappeared with the jump tunnel graphic.... Did a double take and laughed to myself... lucky bastard :P
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senz
Caldari Umbra Congregatio Interstellar Alcohol Conglomerate
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Posted - 2006.10.11 22:43:00 -
[102]
Originally by: Crovan
I reiterate that, since we missed our giant fight of coolness, coolest fight of the weekend, imo, goes to the carrier supported camp-busting. That was serious lol material. What witless noob volunteered to sit still for 10min while we jumped 4 carriers into the camp?
i was in that fight and actually you brought the carriers in about 1-2minutes into the fight.
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Grimster
Body Count Inc. Mercenary Coalition
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Posted - 2006.10.11 22:48:00 -
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Originally by: nicad HA HA last time i seen mc beat was foe vs dont get 2*****ey u fighting alot off the same guys gl mc u need it
/me does a double-take...
We got beat? How? When? Did I miss it?
OMG I feel so dirty.
Signature removed - Lack of Eve related content.Laurelin |

maGz
The Priory Interstellar Alcohol Conglomerate
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Posted - 2006.10.11 22:54:00 -
[104]
Originally by: Grimster
Originally by: nicad HA HA last time i seen mc beat was foe vs dont get 2*****ey u fighting alot off the same guys gl mc u need it
/me does a double-take...
We got beat? How? When? Did I miss it?
OMG I feel so dirty.
Oh it was just a roadtrip... I see 
Sorry had to write it  ____________
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Carth Jared
Body Count Inc. Mercenary Coalition
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Posted - 2006.10.11 22:58:00 -
[105]
Originally by: senz
Originally by: Crovan
I reiterate that, since we missed our giant fight of coolness, coolest fight of the weekend, imo, goes to the carrier supported camp-busting. That was serious lol material. What witless noob volunteered to sit still for 10min while we jumped 4 carriers into the camp?
i was in that fight and actually you brought the carriers in about 1-2minutes into the fight.
Think hes talking about the guy being stuck in the cyno mate ;)
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Crovan
Sharks With Frickin' Laser Beams Mercenary Coalition
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Posted - 2006.10.11 23:02:00 -
[106]
Edited by: Crovan on 11/10/2006 23:04:24
Originally by: senz
Originally by: Crovan
I reiterate that, since we missed our giant fight of coolness, coolest fight of the weekend, imo, goes to the carrier supported camp-busting. That was serious lol material. What witless noob volunteered to sit still for 10min while we jumped 4 carriers into the camp?
i was in that fight and actually you brought the carriers in about 1-2minutes into the fight.
Que? Never dropped a cyno, have ye ;)
The joke was that I drew the short straw and carried the cyno, so was completely immobile for 10 minutes.
Quote: I guess the inadequate server / initially massive defence force broke your morale so you only put up a token effort to take any of the POS out once your first effort failed.
Yes. Either that or the fact that we are not fraggin idiots that would log dreads into node-crash heaven. Morale? Not by the laughing on TS, m8.
Farjung FanBois, Charter Member
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NocturnalDeath
Umbra Congregatio Interstellar Alcohol Conglomerate
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Posted - 2006.10.11 23:02:00 -
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Nice write-up Seleene. They are always informational and entertaining.
GM's have an impossible job. What seemed to be barely touched upon in this thread, is that everytime the node crashed (5x) IAC forces were warped FROM random safespots TO THE HOSTILE CAMPED STATION. Ventrillo was insane, half the fleet didn't want to log back in again because of reports of ships sitting at a friendly POS now being warped to a hostile station upon login. IE the reason for the GM imposed cease-fire.
Also, G-7 system was completely borked after the node crashes. I was sitting at a safe ALONE listening to vent, and reading the forums, when all of a sudden I emergency warp, and then I warp back to the safe I was at all without me touching anything.
At one point the complex in system completely disappeared. Players on vent were saying that they had warped to friendly POS from a safe spot, only to end up at the hostile station! Sometimes it seemed up was down, and right was left! Talk about tin-foil hattery! Some would have bet the farm that MC=GM's :P
I wouldn't have wanted to be in GM's shoes trying to come up with a 'fair' solution.
Once we did get McFix off the station, we spent the next 4-6 hours?? shooting at the shields, if more than half our fleet shot the shields for more than 3 minutes straight the node would start lagging badly and we would cease-fire for 5 minutes at a time. At one point the GM's and Devs were instructing our FC to only fire certain types of ammo at the station, we did live server load testing until we regained control of the station. However, by then all our friends and force had went to sleep and MC came back, broke our camp, and retook the station.
MC has taught IAC some very valuable lessons in system defense.
MC has also been the fire that forged together IAC members and corporations.
Our FC's did an awesome job, especially Gus Preston on the night of hell.
On a side note, SasRipper has got to be one of the best, and most entertaining FC's I ever had the pleasure to fly under (back in the day), he should do an FC training class. 
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SpoolX
Infinity Enterprises Interstellar Alcohol Conglomerate
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Posted - 2006.10.11 23:14:00 -
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Very Good Read!
I must say, as much as I hated losing ships, it was well worth it, the battles were fun, and we all learned alot.
I would much rather lose a ship to a campaign such as this, opposed to the stupid cloaker pirates in RNF
/cheers all
Spoolx
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Seleene
Body Count Inc. Mercenary Coalition
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Posted - 2006.10.11 23:21:00 -
[109]
I am just laughing my ass off at some of the stories you IAC guys are telling! 
I knew that things had to be bad for both sides. I could only relate what it looked like from our end, of course. But, wow. People just really do not understand what it's like to be in a situation like this until they have lived it. There really is nothing quite like a node drop or three, is there? The Twillight Zone, indeed!  -
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Eddie Gordo
Minmatar Masuat'aa Matari Ushra'Khan
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Posted - 2006.10.11 23:23:00 -
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Originally by: Seleene I am just laughing my ass off at some of the stories you IAC guys are telling! 
I knew that things had to be bad for both sides. I could only relate what it looked like from our end, of course. But, wow. People just really do not understand what it's like to be in a situation like this until they have lived it. There really is nothing quite like a node drop or three, is there? The Twillight Zone, indeed! 
I cant say I miss the node drops, having to kill a pos three times because the shields reset was no fun!
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senz
Caldari Umbra Congregatio Interstellar Alcohol Conglomerate
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Posted - 2006.10.11 23:33:00 -
[111]
Originally by: Carth Jared
Think hes talking about the guy being stuck in the cyno mate ;)
oops 
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Archa
Caldari United Alliance
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Posted - 2006.10.12 00:23:00 -
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very good read. This sure is interesting for a by-stander.
Awesome that MC again showed so much strenght. And showed delicate planning. But it is even more amazing that IAC survived the invasion.
Great results for both parties.
Good luck in the future.
greets archa
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Kaylana Syi
Minmatar The Nest Interstellar Alcohol Conglomerate
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Posted - 2006.10.12 00:24:00 -
[113]
Edited by: Kaylana Syi on 12/10/2006 00:25:36 Edited by: Kaylana Syi on 12/10/2006 00:25:01 Edited by: Kaylana Syi on 12/10/2006 00:24:28
Originally by: Haargoth Agamar
It is FIX that have the hard time, not MC. That BS fleet we took out friday night was 16-17 battleships.
As has been said many times, contact a FIX director to get it sorted out. Whining on the forums is likely not going to get you anywhere.
I am not whining ****head. Just stating a fact. Have your directors contact your pilots to get it sorted.
Quote: Sheesh, take it easy.
Killboards are only e-peen contests anyway. If you killed them, you killed them. Just because the rest of the world can't see the killmails doesn't mean they didn't happen.
Don't call me a whiner then.
Did Imode call you a whiner? No, so stfu. 
Its a shame about Fix; you guys used to be proud and now you're just loud.
edit : gah forum quote box wars ftl... just gonna leave it like this
Team Minmatar Carriers need Clone Vats
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Jouni Kalmar
Gallente Meow co. Interstellar Alcohol Conglomerate
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Posted - 2006.10.12 00:26:00 -
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Originally by: Seleene Edited by: Seleene on 11/10/2006 17:30:40 We knew IAC was going to bring friends into this... we just didn't expect how many!
IAC, CVA, S*****rdly, AXE, D2... Hell, even a few Goons showed up! Local peaked in G-7 at over four hundred people. The node crashed five times. It didn't stop Stradivarious from sniping the hell out of several ships in his Machariel, and our FC's managed to get a few ganks on the board between node crashes but for the most part, we did the only thing we could: we watched and waited.
Actually we never brought in D2, D2 have been happily camping away around 9koe and occasionally getting busted up so we could get CVA through. We have been and still are hostile to D2.
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Kaylana Syi
Minmatar The Nest Interstellar Alcohol Conglomerate
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Posted - 2006.10.12 00:33:00 -
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Originally by: Seleene I am just laughing my ass off at some of the stories you IAC guys are telling! 
I knew that things had to be bad for both sides. I could only relate what it looked like from our end, of course. But, wow. People just really do not understand what it's like to be in a situation like this until they have lived it. There really is nothing quite like a node drop or three, is there? The Twillight Zone, indeed! 
No there isn't. But if I told you of the stupidity some of our pilots displayed during ops they shouldn't ever have happened... you'd laugh your ass off.
The best description of this fight was good show of capital power by MC. Good show of T2 capable pilots by FIX. GM intervention that worked for both sides ( don't forget the GMs scooping your fighters and giving them back to you while I still have a petition out for 5 lost fighters outstanding!!! ) and the basic truth of McFix biting off more than they can chew. Maybe you should create a McFix veggie burger
Still no hard feelings except and it was fun when it wasn't broken.
Team Minmatar Carriers need Clone Vats
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Rukaz
Sharks With Frickin' Laser Beams Mercenary Coalition
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Posted - 2006.10.12 00:35:00 -
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Originally by: Jouni Kalmar
Actually we never brought in D2, D2 have been happily camping away around 9koe and occasionally getting busted up so we could get CVA through. We have been and still are hostile to D2.
Sels just saying they showed up mate, thats all.
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Gus Preston
Gallente FIRMA Interstellar Alcohol Conglomerate
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Posted - 2006.10.12 00:45:00 -
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so eh...had to get help from KIA? hmm...
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Kaylana Syi
Minmatar The Nest Interstellar Alcohol Conglomerate
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Posted - 2006.10.12 00:45:00 -
[118]
Originally by: Rukaz
Originally by: Jouni Kalmar
Actually we never brought in D2, D2 have been happily camping away around 9koe and occasionally getting busted up so we could get CVA through. We have been and still are hostile to D2.
Sels just saying they showed up mate, thats all.
Too bad they showed up to kill us
Team Minmatar Carriers need Clone Vats
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Rasitiln
Minmatar SniggWaffe
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Posted - 2006.10.12 00:49:00 -
[119]
Wish the blobs would go away curse is really laggy atm  --------
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Entilzah Valen
Band of Builders Inc. Firmus Ixion
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Posted - 2006.10.12 00:56:00 -
[120]
Originally by: Gus Preston so eh...had to get help from KIA? hmm...
Well do you think if really matters if someone wants you dead?
Continue to postulate, your just wasting your time though.
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