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Sovy Kurosei Amarr Therianthropic Technologies	Posted - 2006.10.12 01:17:00 - [121] Another nice after action report Seleene. Too bad to hear the node dropping on you all those times. ___________________
Denrace Amarr Psykotic Dreams Barracudas.	Posted - 2006.10.12 01:50:00 - [122] Truly excellent read. One of the best reads on the forums, in fact. Shame about the unfair GM decisions and node crashes... Much respect to all parties involved! Den ________________________________________
AKULA UrQuan Caldari STK Scientific Ascendant Frontier	Posted - 2006.10.12 02:02:00 - [123] ROFL! That was IMSIL's Freighter/Dread production POS. No idea if they ever got that thing cooking cap ships. Anyway, I don't see any hardners in that screeny..... shrug Originally by: Wrangler Win ME is more a some sort of virus than a OS..
Doppleganger Minmatar Band of Builders Inc. Firmus Ixion	Posted - 2006.10.12 02:18:00 - [124] Originally by: Tyrrax Thorrk Oh and gg FIX for hiring MC, didn't make much sense until Seleene mentioned that you guys had planned all this before ASCN/BoB started. You can stop pretending you got hired too now, the truth is out. Ok if you wish you can blame me as hiring MC with my own personal isk.... since you will spin this anyway you want on who their employers are and still not have a clue. So for the tinfoil hat legions I will make just as good of target.
Sivona Body Count Inc. Mercenary Coalition	Posted - 2006.10.12 02:23:00 - [125] Originally by: AKULA UrQuan ROFL! That was IMSIL's Freighter/Dread production POS. No idea if they ever got that thing cooking cap ships. Anyway, I don't see any hardners in that screeny..... shrug No stront either...woops
Droewa Dark Centuri Inc. Firmus Ixion	Posted - 2006.10.12 02:27:00 - [126] Edited by: Droewa on 12/10/2006 02:29:20 great read, hats off to IAC it's back to hunting noob corp complex runners in querious for me.
Cmdr Yamamoto	Posted - 2006.10.12 02:31:00 - [127] Is it just me or did MC just go thru a very long and round about way of saying they stopped the campaign and did not finish the job? If im wrong, i apologize. To clarify, what was the original goal of the contract, and did you met that goal?
n sx The Tidemark Interstellar Alcohol Conglomerate	Posted - 2006.10.12 02:59:00 - [128] .... as I said, we're waiting for MC to head back. There were 11 MC freighters and COUNTLESS Dreads/Carriers in the Litom/Doril solarsystems a few hours ago. Sadly, this doesn't seem to be close from over.....
valhallan Minmatar Band of Builders Inc. Firmus Ixion	Posted - 2006.10.12 03:10:00 - [129] First off, great post Seleene, you have done a fine job of capturing an important part of EVE history. There are a few inconsistances (not surprising given how tired everyone was after last week). Those small inconsistnacies have led to some pretty serious misinterpretations so I will attempt to correct them...if that is at all possible on this forum. Originally by: Tyrrax Thorrk Excellent writeup Seleene Oh and gg FIX for hiring MC, didn't make much sense until Seleene mentioned that you guys had planned all this before ASCN/BoB started. You can stop pretending you got hired too now, the truth is out. I am not quite sure how Tyrrax has confused planned with hired...but I read the first of your paragraphs again and the intro paragraphs muddy the time line a bit. From my foxhole, it looked something like this. For many months now, FIX has enjoyed reading some of the wild speculation on the nature of the relationships between BOB and MC and BOB and FIX. While I have intimate knowledge of the later, I was relatively uniformed on the former. The simple fact is that FIX and MC have never fought either for or against each other that I can recall, and BOB has virtually no interest in our foreign policy as long as it does not interfere with our base agreement. So it has been with great ammusement that we have both watched some of the more creative conspiracy theories. It was entertaining up until the point that CYVOK chose, without contacting either Seleene or Myself" to arbitrarily link our policies to BOB and drop our standings, announce his new toy, and spark a conflict with BOB that he surely new would be the response when he unvieled a titan. So having been implicated in a conspiracy, Seleene approached FIX about the posibilty of creating a real relationship to match the non-existant one that we were both suffering the effects of. He was in the middle of planning the op against IAC, FIX has not had a NAP with IAC and we have a history of raiding each other, so there was no real conflict of interest. For FIX it proved an interesting opportunity. The chance to fly along MC seemed like a good one to us, and given the uncertainty in the world its more than a bit comforting to know that our potential enemies were not hiring them! We dont often get the opportunity to play "away games" as we have historically had limited expansionistic objectives. And lets be serious folks....that crappy part of space is not where I would choose to inject my allience into...the notion that FIX contracted to actually sieze the stations and insert themselves in the middle of the remenants of all thier former enemies is nothing short of absurd and short sighted. At any rate, FIX took the opportunity to subcontract against IAC....our service in the siege in exchange for services that have nothing to do with the events of this weekend. While the overall objectives of the weekend fell short, FIXs objectives were more than met. FIX would like to congratulate IAC for thier sucessfull defense. FIX has more than once seen the distruction of all we have worked for and understands the desprate hour when you have to look to your left and right flank for a friend. There is no shame in doing what you have to do to survive....lord knows there are enough truly dead allineces that did not know when to ask for help. FIX has a great deal of respect for your efforts this weekend. And with the lamentable exception of a tiny percentage of my pilots who cant seem to follow instuctions and not post smack both here and in local, I think we can both be pretty happy with the quality of our fights. To Seleene and the MC, FIXs first experience with the MC has been fantastic and it is clear to see how you have earned and keep your well deserved reputation. FIX is a better organiztion for the experience. Regards, V FIX Chairman of the Board McFIX Frycook
Jouni Kalmar Gallente Meow co. Interstellar Alcohol Conglomerate	Posted - 2006.10.12 03:17:00 - [130] Originally by: Rukaz Originally by: Jouni Kalmar Actually we never brought in D2, D2 have been happily camping away around 9koe and occasionally getting busted up so we could get CVA through. We have been and still are hostile to D2. Sels just saying they showed up mate, thats all. Yes but it was said strait after.. "We knew IAC was going to bring friends into this... we just didn't expect how many!" Implying that a). we brought them, which we didn't, and b). that they are our friends, they aren't. I'm just trying to make things crystal clear here :-)
Doppleganger Minmatar Band of Builders Inc. Firmus Ixion	Posted - 2006.10.12 03:33:00 - [131] Really the most important thing here is to ask "who" is behind it... well take off the tin foil hats and its really easy to see. Ok ASCN post on the boards that they are setting MC & FIX to 0 standings (the 1st part to hide their relationships) then MC responds that they were fired on and then sets ASCN to -10 (2nd part of the plan to hide the truth) then both MC and FIX attack an IAC outpost.... Thats all you need to figure out who is the contractor behind MC and FIX!! ASCN wanted to cover their tracks so well that they were hiring MC and got an agreement with FIX to attack the IAC outpost and it was all planned to deceive so no one would be able to figure the whole plan out! They even had a small force of AXE help out IAC to even further hide thier tracks... See its so simple when you remove the tin foil hats and listen to the wierd voices in subspace. They always tell you the truth and who is behind all the great conspiracies.
INNOMINATE NIGHTMARE	Posted - 2006.10.12 03:41:00 - [132] Commendation Seleene, Despite the fact that I have been informed that you are a woman with a beard, I very much enjoyed your write-up of the 9UY war and indeed also of this one. It is nice to read well-written, gripping and entertaining heroic accounts by others of valiant fights, node crashes, alcoholism, gender-bending, thong-wearing, and all that makes EVE such a fantastic place to inhabit. I therefore neutrally congratulate you for yet another excellent write-up, and continue to assert my support for your desire for a brutal war-stories section. (not to be continued...) The 0.0 Experiment
matty01 No Quarter.	Posted - 2006.10.12 03:42:00 - [133] Originally by: Doppleganger Really the most important thing here is to ask "who" is behind it... well take off the tin foil hats and its really easy to see. Ok ASCN post on the boards that they are setting MC & FIX to 0 standings (the 1st part to hide their relationships) then MC responds that they were fired on and then sets ASCN to -10 (2nd part of the plan to hide the truth) then both MC and FIX attack an IAC outpost.... Thats all you need to figure out who is the contractor behind MC and FIX!! ASCN wanted to cover their tracks so well that they were hiring MC and got an agreement with FIX to attack the IAC outpost and it was all planned to deceive so no one would be able to figure the whole plan out! They even had a small force of AXE help out IAC to even further hide thier tracks... See its so simple when you remove the tin foil hats and listen to the wierd voices in subspace. They always tell you the truth and who is behind all the great conspiracies. anyways i only got to go to the last battle (and only in my wolf, catchin up to the fleet who was on their way to IAC space) and didn't get to see any action really...but was fun anyways, and this was an awesome readup for me being that i was there and really had no clue about anything going on outside my gang gg IAC, <3
Tyrrax Thorrk Amarr Umbra Congregatio Interstellar Alcohol Conglomerate	Posted - 2006.10.12 04:03:00 - [134] Originally by: valhallan First off, great post Seleene, you have done a fine job of capturing an important part of EVE history. There are a few inconsistances (not surprising given how tired everyone was after last week). Those small inconsistnacies have led to some pretty serious misinterpretations so I will attempt to correct them...if that is at all possible on this forum. Originally by: Tyrrax Thorrk Excellent writeup Seleene Oh and gg FIX for hiring MC, didn't make much sense until Seleene mentioned that you guys had planned all this before ASCN/BoB started. You can stop pretending you got hired too now, the truth is out. I am not quite sure how Tyrrax has confused planned with hired...but I read the first of your paragraphs again and the intro paragraphs muddy the time line a bit. My dear sir, I did not confuse anything with anything, the only thing Seleene's post clarified for me is the fact that FIX hired MC before ASCN vs BoB war started. Quote: From my foxhole, it looked something like this. For many months now, FIX has enjoyed reading some of the wild speculation on the nature of the relationships between BOB and MC and BOB and FIX. While I have intimate knowledge of the later, I was relatively uniformed on the former. The simple fact is that FIX and MC have never fought either for or against each other that I can recall, and BOB has virtually no interest in our foreign policy as long as it does not interfere with our base agreement. So it has been with great ammusement that we have both watched some of the more creative conspiracy theories. It was entertaining up until the point that CYVOK chose, without contacting either Seleene or Myself" to arbitrarily link our policies to BOB and drop our standings, announce his new toy, and spark a conflict with BOB that he surely new would be the response when he unvieled a titan. So having been implicated in a conspiracy, Seleene approached FIX about the posibilty of creating a real relationship to match the non-existant one that we were both suffering the effects of. He was in the middle of planning the op against IAC, FIX has not had a NAP with IAC and we have a history of raiding each other, so there was no real conflict of interest. might want to work on your internal information security before trying to convince anyone of that Quote: For FIX it proved an interesting opportunity. The chance to fly along MC seemed like a good one to us, and given the uncertainty in the world its more than a bit comforting to know that our potential enemies were not hiring them! We dont often get the opportunity to play "away games" as we have historically had limited expansionistic objectives. And lets be serious folks....that crappy part of space is not where I would choose to inject my allience into...the notion that FIX contracted to actually sieze the stations and insert themselves in the middle of the remenants of all thier former enemies is nothing short of absurd and short sighted. Actually I heard MC were trying to sell the outpost for 5 billion ISK and that Maelstrom had expressed interest in purchasing it for Myriad to actually hold, Myriad would have the support of all the anti-IAC entities in the area and would move their entire alliance into our crappy area of space Quote: At any rate, FIX took the opportunity to subcontract against IAC....our service in the siege in exchange for services that have nothing to do with the events of this weekend. While the overall objectives of the weekend fell short, FIXs objectives were more than met. Does this mean you're not going to help KIA ? Busy in Fountain perhaps ? http://eve.klaki.net/
Doppleganger Minmatar Band of Builders Inc. Firmus Ixion	Posted - 2006.10.12 04:32:00 - [135] Originally by: Tyrrax Thorrk stuff I think I explained it all in my post above.... Plz move the line forward. To get your new tin foil hat use the line on the left to purchase a new one. Get them now before prices go up. They are a hot item and selling fast here in the southern regions of EVE. To drop off your old malfunctioning tin foil hat use the line on the right and you will be issued a claim ticket and we will contact you about you replacement in 6-10 weeks.
valhallan Minmatar Band of Builders Inc. Firmus Ixion	Posted - 2006.10.12 04:51:00 - [136] shrugs....the power of the tinfoil hat is strong in this one... apparently the term hired means something different in my dialect of english than it does yours. Hired by definition would requrie that FIX pay MC for some service rendered. No where did Seleene ever say that. He used the words "progressive taks" "series of agreements" and "agreed to fly along side" all completely consistant with the fact that FIX was invited along to participate and in no way was the genisis of the operation. But clearly you will believe what you choose to regardless One mans internal security problem is another mans Psyops campaign regards V
Murukan Minmatar The Priory Interstellar Alcohol Conglomerate	Posted - 2006.10.12 05:02:00 - [137] Originally by: Doppleganger Originally by: Tyrrax Thorrk stuff I think I explained it all in my post above.... Plz move the line forward. To get your new tin foil hat use the line on the left to purchase a new one. Get them now before prices go up. They are a hot item and selling fast here in the southern regions of EVE. To drop off your old malfunctioning tin foil hat use the line on the right and you will be issued a claim ticket and we will contact you about you replacement in 6-10 weeks. The whole tinfoil joke is so overdone it's ridiculous. We know it's very hard for FiX to do anything on their own but please please strain those thinking muscles and come up with something original. In rust we trust!!!
Imode Band of Builders Inc. Firmus Ixion	Posted - 2006.10.12 05:08:00 - [138] Originally by: Murukan The whole tinfoil joke is so overdone it's ridiculous. We know it's very hard for FiX to do anything on their own but please please strain those thinking muscles and come up with something original. Calling us bandwagoners, lapdogs, etc is pretty unoriginal as well. Then again, for someone who's only had 2 fingers more than a handful of engagements against us, I'm not sure how you suddenly feel you are the leading authority when it comes to FIX policy. Save the witless sarcasm for those who care. ____________________________ Sig removed, lacks Eve-related content - Cortes
Murukan Minmatar The Priory Interstellar Alcohol Conglomerate	Posted - 2006.10.12 05:22:00 - [139] Originally by: Imode Originally by: Murukan The whole tinfoil joke is so overdone it's ridiculous. We know it's very hard for FiX to do anything on their own but please please strain those thinking muscles and come up with something original. Calling us bandwagoners, lapdogs, etc is pretty unoriginal as well. Then again, for someone who's only had 2 fingers more than a handful of engagements against us, I'm not sure how you suddenly feel you are the leading authority when it comes to FIX policy. Save the witless sarcasm for those who care. It's hard to call you anything else when you can never accomplish anything with out a severe amount of backup In rust we trust!!!
Zyllette	Posted - 2006.10.12 06:03:00 - [140] Edited by: Zyllette on 12/10/2006 06:03:39
Tyrrax Thorrk Amarr Umbra Congregatio Interstellar Alcohol Conglomerate	Posted - 2006.10.12 06:05:00 - [141] Originally by: valhallan shrugs....the power of the tinfoil hat is strong in this one... Ooh personal insults, how droll. Quote: apparently the term hired means something different in my dialect of english than it does yours. Hired by definition would requrie that FIX pay MC for some service rendered. No where did Seleene ever say that. He used the words "progressive taks" "series of agreements" and "agreed to fly along side" all completely consistant with the fact that FIX was invited along to participate and in no way was the genisis of the operation. You spelled require wrong, guess your dialect of english is inferior to my feeble icelandic person's english. FIX did pay MC to take over our outpost in G-7W, saying otherwise is quite simply lying, or do you not read your own forums ? But hey keep lying if that floats your boat, you're not fooling anyone. http://eve.klaki.net/
Zylla	Posted - 2006.10.12 06:05:00 - [142] Very good story Seleene, nicely written As in any war, truth as a whole is always the first casualty. Each side has their own version, mostly truth with their own spin, call it human nature. The node crashes were the biggest disappointment and it is easy to get caught up in the what if's. It's also very easy to get caught up in whether what the GM's did was fair or not. If one side benefitted they felt it was deserved, if they didn't benefit then it was a bad decision on the GM's part. With any luck luck they've packed the server full of stront for our next engagement. You bring uber skill and ability and we'll bring masses. I'll keep bringing my Ibis' of Doom and sooner or later I'll run you out ammo
Thaylon Sen The Rat Pack	Posted - 2006.10.12 06:08:00 - [143] Awsome read again... tbh u win eve
Seleene Body Count Inc. Mercenary Coalition	Posted - 2006.10.12 06:10:00 - [144] Edited by: Seleene on 12/10/2006 06:10:23 Originally by: Tyrrax Thorrk My dear sir, I did not confuse anything with anything, the only thing Seleene's post clarified for me is the fact that FIX hired MC before ASCN vs BoB war started. Planning for the hit on IAC pre-dated any talks between the MC and FIX. Originally by: Tyrrax Thorrk Actually I heard MC were trying to sell the outpost for 5 billion ISK and that Maelstrom had expressed interest in purchasing it for Myriad to actually hold, Myriad would have the support of all the anti-IAC entities in the area and would move their entire alliance into our crappy area of space Yes, I read that post too. Interestingly enough, prior to that, I don't think I'd even heard of Myriad. As to the rest of the posts here, it's only natural that people from the other side have a different view of similar events. I openly admit that I wrote this purely from my point of view. I always find it very interesting to hear how the other side saw an engagement. My only issue is the number of people who seem to think the only time there was shooting going on was during laggy / node crash times. That's simply not the case. There were many engagements where game play was very manageable and they produced some quality battles. Anyway, I'm very pleased that so many people seem to have enjoyed this and I hope it inspires others to do the same. If it doesn't happen before November, when I go to FanFest, you can bet I will be bugging the hell out of Keiron for a new forum for this sort of thing. - Movie: 9UY - Got Fighters?
Alfarinn Amarr FIRMA Interstellar Alcohol Conglomerate	Posted - 2006.10.12 06:22:00 - [145] Originally by: Hectic I have to say, I've seen a lot of IAC taking this whle thing very well. Nice to see an opponent showing respect where respect is due, and not holding a grudge. Thanks, there's a lot of respect on both sides. Perhaps the main reason we took it so well is that we knew if MC had claimed the system we'd play merry-hell with whoever they gave it to and ensure that their EVE lives were not worth living P.S. Regarding McFix + KIA, we're not too concerned about them, we've held GM Ginger on retainer
Seleene Body Count Inc. Mercenary Coalition	Posted - 2006.10.12 06:24:00 - [146] Originally by: Alfarinn P.S. Regarding McFix + KIA, we're not too concerned about them, we've held GM Ginger on retainer - Movie: 9UY - Got Fighters?
Tyrrax Thorrk Amarr Umbra Congregatio Interstellar Alcohol Conglomerate	Posted - 2006.10.12 06:29:00 - [147] Seleene, that's because Maelstrom Alliance agreed to purchase it from you, they then intended to hand it over to Myriad, so Myriad wouldn't have to have talked to you at all (until time came to hand it over ofc.) I notice you don't actually claim you weren't in the process of selling it to Maelstrom for 5 Billion. PS, so FIX hired you before you had any talks with them ? How very confusing. http://eve.klaki.net/
Seleene Body Count Inc. Mercenary Coalition	Posted - 2006.10.12 06:42:00 - [148] Edited by: Seleene on 12/10/2006 06:42:10 Originally by: Tyrrax Thorrk Seleene, that's because Maelstrom Alliance agreed to purchase it from you, they then intended to hand it over to Myriad, so Myriad wouldn't have to have talked to you at all (until time came to hand it over ofc.) I notice you don't actually claim you weren't in the process of selling it to Maelstrom for 5 Billion. Tyrrax, seriously m8, stop trying to read between the lines. I'm not going to talk about clients except to say that the fine print on this job has been a bit more complicated than I usually prefer. The client knows what I mean by this. Typically, I like contracts that go like this. Client - "You smash them." MC - "Ooooh! Good! Like to smash!" Quote: PS, so FIX hired you before you had any talks with them ? How very confusing. Yeah, that would be kinda difficult, wouldn't it? - Movie: 9UY - Got Fighters?
Imode Band of Builders Inc. Firmus Ixion	Posted - 2006.10.12 06:58:00 - [149] Originally by: Murukan It's hard to call you anything else when you can never accomplish anything with out a severe amount of backup This coming from the alliance who of all people, called in Goonswarm for help. For a very long time we've fought on our own, and basically refused all help until finally we were backed into a wall and were left with no where else to go. We've been nearly at it for a year and a half now, sometimes on, sometimes not so on. Now when matched with the same welcome you cave in within the span of 2 days and taunt openly that you have lots of friends to fall back on. Where I'm from, there's this little saying about a pot and a kettle... ____________________________ Sig removed, lacks Eve-related content - Cortes
tigress Gallente Genco Interstellar Alcohol Conglomerate	Posted - 2006.10.12 07:18:00 - [150] Whats wrong with bringing in more drunken swarms? They are big customers of ours in in terms of alcohol. ;)

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