When it's only one segment of the population doing it, especially making death threats because of a normal gameplay interaction, it suggests that segment needs to be curtailed.



You and the other wretched carebears were pretty happy about it when it was me being threatened and doxxed, so I'm going to call you a liar about that.

Hypocrite, too.

Not entirely sure it matters who we blame, it just adds to the overwhelming sense that this community is horrible and it is one of the reasons for poor user retention. But regardless of whom the aggressor and whom the victim is, RL threats are never acceptable.

First you have no idea who is or isn't being threatened and to suggest only one "group" is and that they should be punished is horse crap.

Second, I don't recall a single person cheering anyone on to threaten you personally, if they did they probably wouldn't be posting on these forums anymore. No one was "happy" to hear your troubles. So again, a liar.

I have an excellent idea of that, actually. Ever heard of the Miner Grab Bag? Anyone in CODE would be permabanned for half of the stuff that the GMs routinely let carebears get away with. It's almost like the language section of the EULA doesn't apply to some people.




You and one other, on this very thread, and several more in past threads. Spin harder, liar.

It's a miracle that Eve ever got this big. If anything kills it, then the fact that it was **** from the start.

It's a miracle that Eve ever got this big. If anything kills it, then the fact that it was **** from the start.

War decs are all kinds of broken.

You are more likely to lose a freighter by undocking it into a wardec than have it ganked. Only a few dozen die per million trips made.

The rise of similar "internet spaceship" games that allow for a PvE play style has no doubt had an impact on the number of carebears playing Eve, since they can play some of those games in solo mode or in friends only mode and not have to deal with all of the issues they used to complain about. Eve is no longer the only show in town as a spaceship based mmo, so naturally the player base will spread out somewhat.

TL;DR: Eve no longer has a monopoly on internet spaceships.

Nonsense. Or Did I just imagine Star Trek Online, Earth and Beyond (where many of us came from at the end of 2004) Black Prophecy, SWG and SWTOR? EVE has Never had a monopoly on 'internet spaceships' and the development of some 'jet fighters in space with instances' non-mmo video games hasn't changed that at all.

After ED were launched 7 months ago, PCU daily average in EvE has come down from way over 40K online daily average to 20K.

Sure there might be other reasons too here like spring/summer (though those do not explain so well dropping numbers of dec-jan-feb-march), and multiple character skilling too, but I would not rule out yet either that players are able to adjust into other games, too.

I guess we will see the truth when/if SC comes out (no idea what kind of it even is gonna be, instances or what), then we can say after (possible) drop of again another 50% in PCU that yeah, people switched games to ED and SC (among others).

I'm not sure what this thread is all about anymore.

I'm not sure what this thread is all about anymore.

P.S. RIP SWG - Dear SWG. I used to be a bounty hunter taking out PvP bounties to hunt Jeeedai mostly. And a builder and a trader, and a carebear, along with PvP skirmishes to take over the Restuss city on the moon of Rori in an eternal struggle, and anything that that I am now in EVE - because it was a sandbox, just as EVE is a sandbox.

In fact, I had the choice either starting EVE, or SWG at that time around 2004 - chose EVE, and discovered Star Wars Galaxies only after the NGE expansion, and it still offered more than anything out there on the market.

SWTOR might as well could've been a single player game, because all the content there can be cleared in three months' time - both Republic & Empire.

The (massively) multiplayer part of the MMO is non-existent there, along with PvP, though the raids did offer some fun in 8-16 man groups.

Nightmare TFB/S&V & Hardmode Dread Palace/Fortress operations/raids could keep one occupied for months at a time, but they are still scripted scenarios, which merely require optimisation of timings and min-maxing on the team's part.

All of the servers there were consolidated three times already, after population plunged several times, finally culminating in the game going Free to Play, and even now the total populations on the most active EU / NA servers is a joke.

It tells one, that people do not want more themeparks and are looking for long-term investments. A hybrid of a sandbox with some themepark elements is a success story nowadays - The Elder Scrolls Online appears to be a solid game.

P.S. http://www.reddit.com/r/Eve/comments/39pmyb/drifter_incursion_ships_listed_in_overview/

The slide post Nov-Dec was ISBotters getting axed.

http://i.imgur.com/tSqTwl9.png

More here - https://forums.eveonline.com/default.aspx?g=posts&t=387571&p=217

The ISBotter topic is partly what I meant by lost integrity - sixty accounts in the hands of one player destroying the ecosystem for the rest spelled the end of EVE in the long-term.

The number of bots and real players are inversely correlated.

What I see in this thread are cries for less sandbox, not more.

I'll agree that if Elite: Dangerous gets player-owned stations & co, plus some interaction on planets, even if it's instanced, then we better watch out.

EVE must answer with Walking in Stations at the very least.

Star Citizen looks like a shiny tech demo - nothing more, and as much as I'd love to see it being Freelancer 2, I don't think it's happening.

Hype is High.

jesus devs just hyper-crash the PLEX market and get this reckoning fully over with.


make this touted "real economy" be about real actions in game again. hell even null sec minerals aren't worth anything. that says it all.


right right, super-ancient players have very serious RL money tied into this game don't they...

Is this thread still going....hasn't eve died already?

Should propably add to my suggestion above, that to make transition from high sec mining to low/null mining softer, CCP would probably need "super miner", something tanked like a Orca with same kind of cargo space.

Something like... a Rorqual? It needs a rebalance anyway. A Hulk fleet supported on grid by a Rorq would be a mining machine. The trick is to make it so that the Rorq doesn't automatically get a "kill me" sign on its back when it leaves the safety of a station or POS.

As to whether PVE/industry players are finally welcomed in sov null, that's as much up to the alliances there as it is up to CCP. The sov index calculations and the huge recent buffs to industry should help.

As for high sec mining, I was surprised to see that one of the most significant indicators of whether a new player stayed in the game was whether they mined. Correlation does not causation prove, but the correlation is there. It's certainly a reliable source of income for new players. I don't see the value in nerfing it into the ground; I think CCP's approach of seriously buffing it outside of high sec is the better option.

Honestly Comet mining or mining moons with specialized ships in Null/Low in order to let every day players get high end R64/R32 goo.

That would be the only thing I can think of to "save" mining and give the boost others are looking for to the "pvp" areas of space.

jesus devs just hyper-crash the PLEX market and get this reckoning fully over with.


make this touted "real economy" be about real actions in game again. hell even null sec minerals aren't worth anything. that says it all.


right right, super-ancient players have very serious RL money tied into this game don't they...