I was implying cutting the rewards in Hisec due to absent risk. Almost absent.

However, if CCP thinks it's balanced in an economical sense with current bounties & payouts from both incursions and Level 4s, meaning ISK faucets in general, then it's balanced.

It would be curious how reasonably far the incomes can be reduced in Hisec and increased in Null to compensate, but then again, they make a shitton of ISK out thereGäó already.

In fact, Hisec needs high ISK faucets, because they import pretty much all the moon minerals and all of the WH resources, along with Highsend minerals like Megacyte, Morphite, Nocxium and Zydrine.

So we get Level 4 high sec that sends us to low sec, but nothing in low sec can send you to high sec.

That is fine. Removing level 4's doesn't solve your problem. It makes some people quit, but most would just blitz level 3's

People are always going to find the most efficient system they can tolerate within their own parameters. Your idea is the same kind of thinking that is ticking off the nullbears right now and making them leave.

Last time I checked they were still in Hisec? I remember doing them in 2008 with close to 75-90 mil ISK per hour income, but possibly higher.

The LP exchange rate has been devalued since then, though - courtesy of the FW brethren.

In regards to the age-long Buff HS vs Nerf HS arguement, anyone here ever notice that the majority of the people whining to CCP to buff HS are the ones who (un)surprisingly play recklessly and don't take the proper precautions prior to flying around in space? HS can be just as dangerous as low or null, and if you use a fail fit for a shiny ship, your just inviting the gankers with open arms.

What I mean is people who fit hulks with nothing but mining boost mods and no tank, orcas with nothing but cargo enhancers and no tank, carrying ridiculously expensive and/or shiny cargo in something entirely not suited for it like a shuttle, T1 frigate or a destroyer with no cloak, and other numerous examples.

I mean seriously, it doesn't take someone with a degree in rocket science to do some simple risk vs reward calculations and see that mining in a skiff with a decently fitted tank is a lot more cost-efficient in a suicide-gank prone area due to less risk of getting it blown up, even if the yield it mines is less. Then when they do get their nothing-but-mining-upgrades-and-cargo-expander-Hulk blown up they whine "Oh CCP, I got ganked, please buff HS oh pretty please!!"

I live primarily in HS, and I've encountered suicide gankers, and I never had much of a problem. Using skiffs with ridiculous tanks that rival some battleships and an Orca with an ungodly tank usually tends to dissuade a lot of gankers and increase survivability when **** hits the fan.

Yeah but LP boost and mission bonus are higher the lower you go. So high sec missions aren't really superior to null sec PVE at all.

What is the difference? Probably not a lot.

In null due to the fact of bubbles and dictors alone, I'd use something like a 3x reward multiplier.

With Lowsecks it's a bit different - their Tier system floods the market with LP, thereby devaluing it in the medium term, i.e. getting 1,300 ISK / LP at Tier 3 is the same as receiving 2,275 ISK / LP at Tier 2 due to 75% more LP being generated - not sure whther this bonus applies to every single LP source.

Fact A: 97% of EvE players are male and whilst you have my sympathies, that can't be fixed. Best to just pretend to listen and mumble 'yes dear' occasionally. CCP do this very well with the playerbase, especially when you all start leaping about in outrage.
Fact B: CCP claims something like 60% of the EvE playerbase are IT professionals of some sort (can't be arsed digging up the source, but it's no shock really) which justifies hating everybody equally. It's useful in some respects to have these people in the community, but let's face it, they are turbo nerds who are probably used to having their head rammed down a toilet and they have the social skill of ROCKS. Might explain the mining fetish.
Fact C: The rest of us deal with exposure to these people with copious amounts of alcohol, drugs and pretending to be AFK whilst badposting on forums, or cavorting in the garden. Really, we're the victims here, but we can take it. Dunno what the rest of you are moaning about.

There's no content that will fix these things by the way. It's not CCP, or the game, it's you. We need more women ingame, more diversity in terms of background across the playerbase, some fit men, and maybe a bit more maturity. One thing I notice in monitoring how EvE has changed over time is that older players (I mean RL older) are withdrawing from interraction on the forums in particular because it's just so pathetic. Which is annoying in some ways because core Goon posters are actually worth reading, but they seem to have been the vanguard for an autistic tier of the internet which any online community would struggle to deal with. This needs to be addressed, somehow. We also need to be able to yank new players out of the highsec hellhole asap so they don't turn into someone wailing about being forced to run the damsel for the 1000th time. Or just remove highsec and try something more radical to get people started.

According to new data, Null NPC space is very active for null areas. Must be something to it.

What is the difference? Probably not a lot.

In null due to the fact of bubbles and dictors alone, I'd use something like a 3x reward multiplier.

With Lowsecks it's a bit different - their Tier system floods the market with LP, thereby devaluing it in the medium term, i.e. getting 1,300 ISK / LP at Tier 3 is the same as receiving 2,275 ISK / LP at Tier 2 due to 75% more LP being generated - not sure whther this bonus applies to every single LP source.

Nada, nope, nunca. Nope.

See my signature.

Actually, he's right, although not in the way he thinks.

Hi-sec does need to be significantly buffed.

The original conception of hi-sec was that it was a safe-ish starting area for new players to find their feet in, get an idea for how the game worked and find a group to join before they headed out to the "real game" in lo-sec and null. I personally followed this path, and I think it's still valid and I would unhesitatingly recommend it to new players today.

Where do you live? In Magical Mystery land? My society is a cut throat one, capitalism you know?

Actually, he's right, although not in the way he thinks.

Hi-sec does need to be significantly buffed.

Tell me, would it be cutthroat capitalism if a group of people smashed your uninsured car up while laughing at how much fun it is destroying someone else's property - Or are they having fun at your expense.

Tell me, would it be cutthroat capitalism if a group of people smashed your uninsured car up while laughing at how much fun it is destroying someone else's property - Or are they having fun at your expense.

You can't tell the difference between normal day to day activities and people getting hurt so someone else can have a laugh

Interesting you seem to have lost the line between something that is a part of society and something that is forced on others against their will. You can't tell the difference between normal day to day activities and people getting hurt so someone else can have a laugh


Tell me, would it be cutthroat capitalism if a group of people smashed your uninsured car up while laughing at how much fun it is destroying someone else's property - Or are they having fun at your expense.

forced on others ? i really don't know where you're coming from, when you download and install the game you agree to the rules.
part of the rules means people will shoot you in the face if they can, i think you've lost the line between reality and a game.
EVE is a game i really don't understand why you as a vet would be filling new players heads with this utter rubbish.
i really can't believe you compared a real life situation with a game mechanic.
are they having fun at your expense? wow! no they're playing a game where this is allowed.

Interesting you seem to have lost the line between something that is a part of society and something that is forced on others against their will. You can't tell the difference between normal day to day activities and people getting hurt so someone else can have a laugh


Tell me, would it be cutthroat capitalism if a group of people smashed your uninsured car up while laughing at how much fun it is destroying someone else's property - Or are they having fun at your expense.

Oh and nowhere in Eveonline rules does it say; you accept you will be exposed to vile language, threats and intimidation in chat and or ingame messages.

So a player receiving a RL threat because of something that happened in the game is not crossing over and turning a game issue into a RL issue?

The bulk of these cases are PvE pilots making death threats to PvP pilots.

I am pretty sure that the pointless ganking in high sec drives players away. It is too easy and doesn't bring anything new into the game.

You are more likely to lose a freighter by undocking it into a wardec than have it ganked. Only a few dozen die per million trips made.

Which is why they need to do something about war dec costs. Yes they removed the limit, thank bob... but the cost to dec any decent size group is crazy.

So a player receiving a RL threat because of something that happened in the game is not crossing over and turning a game issue into a RL issue?

Is the work being done to curb social media related suicide not crossing the line between online entertainment (which is what games are supposed to be) and RL?

Oh and nowhere in Eveonline rules does it say; you accept you will be exposed to vile language, threats and intimidation in chat and or ingame messages.
You might want to do some research into online communities and the affects they have on peoples lives before you disregard the link.

NB; If a new player quits over something i have said in the forums, they would likely have quit as soon as they experienced it or similar in the game. Many new players experience the worst of eve before ever browsing the forums.

The bulk of these cases are PvE pilots making death threats to PvP pilots.

Not entirely sure it matters who we blame, it just adds to the overwhelming sense that this community is horrible and it is one of the reasons for poor user retention.

But regardless of whom the aggressor and whom the victim is, RL threats are never acceptable.