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Stormhold FinFleet Lotka Volterra	Posted - 2006.10.25 16:24:00 - [391] "O also we donÆt have sad people who spend all day filling up pos's in every system, unlike some I have to say. " If you don't have people who maintain poses, it's not really a surprise you lose poses and an enemy plants poses on the moons they used to be in.
General Novartic Minmatar The Taining corp Knights Of the Southerncross	Posted - 2006.10.25 16:41:00 - [392] Originally by: Stormhold "O also we donÆt have sad people who spend all day filling up pos's in every system, unlike some I have to say. " If you don't have people who maintain poses, it's not really a surprise you lose poses and an enemy plants poses on the moons they used to be in. WARNING!! THIS PERSON HAS NO LIFE OUT SIDE EVE!!!! http://www.n-computers.co.uk/other/eve/evesig.jpg signature removed (max dimensions 120px * 400px) - please email us if you want to know why - Pirlouit([email protected])
Ediz Daxx FinFleet Lotka Volterra	Posted - 2006.10.25 16:47:00 - [393] Originally by: General Novartic Originally by: Joshua Foiritain Edited by: Joshua Foiritain on 25/10/2006 12:55:49 Originally by: General Novartic Questions: 1. Why did LV and L war deck us? 2. What did we do to deserve this harsh back stabbing treatment? 3. Why didnÆt you help us get back our lost POS's when the largest freeken fleet of cap ships iv ever seen entered Q-G?? 4. Why did it take you all freeken ages to get any fleet together to help us? 5. Why did it take you seconds to make a fleet to come kill KOS?? 1: Your leader lied to them, your alliance was too lazy to defend space they where given. 2: According to the topic you allied with the coalition's enemy, which makes you the enemy. 3: Did you have all moons covered with POSes as agreed to with the coalition? 4: Cant answer that, not in the coalition ^_^ 5: Revenge for being lied to? O goody, I love putting people in place. You failed.
Mortiaca Caldari Freedom-Technologies Knights Of the Southerncross	Posted - 2006.10.25 16:55:00 - [394] Edited by: Mortiaca on 25/10/2006 16:58:36 Like Hank I told myself I wouldn't post again but here I am. First things.... KOS lost QGQ no one else. The blame that is going out to V and LV is the fact that you sent no team to help us get out or help us watch the gates and systems as we moved things about so we could setup a defensive position from FE or 4E. Instead we had to spread our people air thin between defense, carriers, haulers, etc.... Now with that said. One of the reasons I will never in my entire time of playing eve deal with V or LV with a handshake instead of a gun is this. Mind you this is my personal opinion and not my corps or the alliances. Ok does anyone REALLY know what happened in Wicked Creek? I hear alot of mention of RA and Goon. We just barely got IMP mentioned in there. Oh yeah and Tau Ceti was there too. Don't forget the pirate corps. Ok so ONE allinace was fighting RA, Goon, IMP, Tau Ceti, and a few pirate corps they brought with them. Gee guys even if we had the moons covered I wonder why we want the hell out. I'm very sorry if that sounds like a whine cause really it's not I'm not one to whine but I am one to say enough is damned enough and get the hell out before you have nothing left. Now for the reason I from this point on consider V and LV to be the pukes of the life in EVE. Here KOS is drowning on the edge of having everything taken. RA and Goon come to us and say hey man we'll throw you a life raft. Not asking for you to help us either but really we're not here to kill you just get you out of our way. All the sudden V and LV show up and START SHOOTING AT US FOR REACHING FOR THE LIFE RAFT. Talk about being bastards. No where did I see V or LV even offer a life raft let alone throw one to us. Yeah KOS got the crap kicked out of it. It took a minimum of 4 alliances and atleast 2 pirate corps to do it. Call us weak as you like but damned I think we did good to last that long. We were damned if we did damned if we didn't and all we wanted to do was get away from all of you crazy paranoid asses.
Redbad Minmatar Vengeance of the Fallen Imperium Alliance	Posted - 2006.10.25 17:01:00 - [395] I missed my daily Bold and the Beautiful rerun, just to read this thread. Still all pointing fingers, eh? Get a grip on yourselves and get playing again. This game is intended to have winners and loosers without eventually really being able to win or loose it entirely, how much we all might try. So keep backstabbing, killing, loving and helping eachother, but know for sure: you'll never win, but it makes a helluva gamingexperience for us all. (or even a good forumread for that matter) --- embrace the fire from the East.
Stormhold FinFleet Lotka Volterra	Posted - 2006.10.25 17:35:00 - [396] Originally by: General Novartic Originally by: Stormhold "O also we donÆt have sad people who spend all day filling up pos's in every system, unlike some I have to say. " If you don't have people who maintain poses, it's not really a surprise you lose poses and an enemy plants poses on the moons they used to be in. WARNING!! THIS PERSON HAS NO LIFE OUT SIDE EVE!!!! By the looks of it I just hit the bullseye.
sakana Purgatorial Janitors Inc.	Posted - 2006.10.25 17:40:00 - [397] Originally by: Redbad 11 pages of pointing fingers ... cool! it was YOUR fault wasn't it?? oh man not your for it!!!111
c0rn1 Seraphin Technologies Veritas Immortalis	Posted - 2006.10.25 17:52:00 - [398] oh no! taining corp is poor. they can't afford the placement of 23 towers in Q-GQ to at least give the coalition a time of REACTION. I always wonder how SERA can fuel and put up 12 large and 19 small by themselves in 2 systems. build an outpost for 20+ billion. Keeping it covered and still got the time to be nr.1 on -V- kills with 15 active members all in all. Ask Demo before you blame -V- & LV they couldn't instantly support you 4 am in the morning which definately is NOT the prime time for -V- and LV. Would demo have spent 7b to just put the towers up in Q-GQ with proper stron time set all wouldn't have been a problem. But like I said before, we decided to not get the system back ONCE again and throw Capital ships at RA POSs in the current state of the server. We had the agenda and we agreed to it. N7 was a sign for KOS to fortify their stronghold but noone stepped up and did the job. No, KOS doesn't even go to their partners and talk to them about further plans or if we could lock down the systems so they could get their stuff out. No, you rather like cuddling with our common foe and lie to your partners and then wonder why the sign goes out with a war declaration towards you. And everyone, especially demogod and Plazmalord Soban know my name. I didn't see any conversation in eve or on ts nor did I have a mail in my evemailbox how bad the situation is. Demogod even has my msn to contact me. NADA. So if they don't care, why should we? Regards c0rn1 x x x x x x x x x x x x x x -V- Diplomat -V- High Council Member Life's a waste of time ...
Pylse Gallente The Establishment Establishment	Posted - 2006.10.25 17:54:00 - [399] AharrrrrrRR! T H E K E Y !
swordslasher Eye of God Axiom Empire	Posted - 2006.10.25 18:03:00 - [400] Originally by: Plazmalord Soban Originally by: swordslasher I wouldn't shed a tear if I found out the guy got hit by a bus IRL, your ingame attitude towards your peers is a reflection of your true personality, and demo is one hell of a ***** - then again, he's also an american republican who owns a demolition company that has at times had some fancy contracts with the US Government. Apple doesn't fall too far from the tree. ATTENTION MODERATORS: THE ABOVE STATEMENT HAS NUTHING TO DO WITH EVE-ONLINE AND GIVES OUT PERSONAL DETAILS OF A GAMERS LIFE THAT HAS NO BEARING ON THE GAME. PLEASE EDIT AND REMOVE IT. Thank you Plazmalord Soban Question: When you make that information public to everyone in your alliance with complete disregard for your own self respect, how can you suddenly claim that it's personal and no one has the right to repeat it? It's not as if I'm his freaking friend, or even know him personally, but he's publically told a whole slew of people this fact, including most of them in KOS. If you didn't know, consider yourself informed, but I don't think I'm 'revealing' anything anymore personal than what he already has. and it is relevant to the topic of discussion if we're going to discuss ones character, one's habits in life, and the sterotypes associated with them, would have a large bearing and do well to explain one's personality in the game and how they treat others. Cliff Notes: demogod is an ass, in and out of eve, so it doesn't suprise me, nor should it surprise anyone else.
Rover Vitesse Gallente Crisis Corp Lotka Volterra	Posted - 2006.10.25 18:07:00 - [401] Originally by: Mortiaca Like Hank I told myself I wouldn't post again but here I am. snip Can you answer my question please? How many Large POS did Freedom-Technologies have fueled, online and armed in your station systems, claiming soveriengty? Rovers Chronicles
Xenofur Di-Tron Heavy Industries	Posted - 2006.10.25 18:11:00 - [402] Originally by: Major Tarsis KOS pilots you need to take a step back, LV and V do not blame you individually. sorry, but even if you say this it does not match your actions. if you are aware that the leadership is at fault, why do you shoot the members? nothing against emotional pleas, but hipocrisy stinks.
Mortiaca Caldari Freedom-Technologies Knights Of the Southerncross	Posted - 2006.10.25 18:15:00 - [403] Edited by: Mortiaca on 25/10/2006 18:16:51 Originally by: Rover Vitesse Originally by: Mortiaca Like Hank I told myself I wouldn't post again but here I am. snip Can you answer my question please? How many Large POS did Freedom-Technologies have fueled, online and armed in your station systems, claiming soveriengty? I will suffice to say that Freedom Technologies had no towers in 0.0 outside the station systems in Wicked Creek. We did what our corp wallet afforded us to. Now instead of being a*****y ass and proving the statement of let everyone think you are ignorant post on a forum and prove it. How about you read the third line where I said KOS lost QGQ and no one else.
crice Caldari CRICE Corporation Lotka Volterra	Posted - 2006.10.25 18:32:00 - [404] Originally by: General Novartic Ok, cutting back all the spam around here. Facts: 1. We were fighting. 2. We helped LV/L 3. I didnÆt see a single large gang of them helping us. 4. If there was then they must have been working away from us so basically they were not helping us. 5. N7 was being attacked from Cache area not from LÆs space so I donÆt think your gate camps did much guy's. 6. We were screwed so we declared a NAP (cease fire) 7. Goons are even helping us in the NAT to get us out and though systems camped by L and LV. (Cant say much about L and LV)(Thanks goons, your now in my good books from -10 to +10) Questions: 1. Why did LV and L war deck us? 2. What did we do to deserve this harsh back stabbing treatment? 3. Why didnÆt you help us get back our lost POS's when the largest freeken fleet of cap ships iv ever seen entered Q-G?? 4. Why did it take you all freeken ages to get any fleet together to help us? 5. Why did it take you seconds to make a fleet to come kill KOS?? Conclusion. RA, GOON, please kick them (L, LV)off the map. They do not deserve to live here due to there foul actions toward an Allie. Hey dude. Look to your leadership for failing to be open to your allies. For example: I know for a fact we came to help you guys when we first joined LV, and it sucked arse. Hearing people in KOS that couldn't even fly a BS or afford one. LV came with the majority of battleships, then some guy yelling and telling people to STFU on TS... unacceptable. you could use ERA as an example. They pulled out of cache, for whatever reason. They didn't give up POS's or sell them to the enemy, they left the region. From what I heard you guys had a better option that wasn't acted upon. KOS your failure lies on your leadership. I would bet that most of you were suprised or shocked at the war dec. Rise up, make some change or leave. I have been there done that. 70% left cDc, we could have been shady reinforced POS's and lied to our previous friends and allies.... we didn't we packed up and left and kept leadership informed... WHY? It was the honorable thing to do. In EvE all you have is your reputation and word.. nothing more. Don't let those mistake haunt you.
Plazmalord Soban Amarr Hounds Of War Knights Of the Southerncross	Posted - 2006.10.25 18:51:00 - [405] Originally by: c0rn1 oh no! taining corp is poor. they can't afford the placement of 23 towers in Q-GQ to at least give the coalition a time of REACTION. I always wonder how SERA can fuel and put up 12 large and 19 small by themselves in 2 systems. build an outpost for 20+ billion. Keeping it covered and still got the time to be nr.1 on -V- kills with 15 active members all in all. Ask Demo before you blame -V- & LV they couldn't instantly support you 4 am in the morning which definately is NOT the prime time for -V- and LV. Would demo have spent 7b to just put the towers up in Q-GQ with proper stron time set all wouldn't have been a problem. But like I said before, we decided to not get the system back ONCE again and throw Capital ships at RA POSs in the current state of the server. We had the agenda and we agreed to it. N7 was a sign for KOS to fortify their stronghold but noone stepped up and did the job. No, KOS doesn't even go to their partners and talk to them about further plans or if we could lock down the systems so they could get their stuff out. No, you rather like cuddling with our common foe and lie to your partners and then wonder why the sign goes out with a war declaration towards you. And everyone, especially demogod and Plazmalord Soban know my name. I didn't see any conversation in eve or on ts nor did I have a mail in my evemailbox how bad the situation is. Demogod even has my msn to contact me. NADA. So if they don't care, why should we? Regards c0rn1 Corn1 didnt you leave kos cause you was burned out? Cause your rant right there with no basis on facts kinda makes me think your flippin out again. As far as not recieving any word from me. In June i had to stop gaming for about 2 months. When i get back some brainchild in KOS decided to remove the cabinet. I had to also consolidate my corp along with 3 other corps to form what u see now. 3 weeks after this my modem craps out and im stuck to being on the forum at work. I was not acting as a cabinet member a senator nor was i assuming my role as vice president. " ive been a little busy" The Senate assumed control of KOS. which i argued was wrong and gonna lead to the failure of KOS. Ask Corvino about the ass chewing i gave him for this move... To blame me in anyway for the failure of this is wrong. EVERY tower i owned that wasnt destroyed in the first wave of the n7- invasion was Stationed in 4-E where MY office was. I help up my end with all i had. Dude get a clue before u start barking and assuming shyt. Since ive got back Ive rarely seen LV and V. Unless ofcourse we are called into a CTA for then cause Nebba feels like thinning our ranks by asking us to jump into a lagged out server with no hope on the other side of being able to target a single person. And with that... i seem to remember when u were DM in KOS screaming "where the hell are LV's dreads" u ranted that like every night on ts when demo got on... Demo klept saying they are coming.... Did they ever come? NO! Use your head man. Im finding it diffucult to remain calm and respect you when u keep making the insane claims which u clearly no nuthing about.
Plazmalord Soban Amarr Hounds Of War Knights Of the Southerncross	Posted - 2006.10.25 18:55:00 - [406] Originally by: swordslasher Originally by: Plazmalord Soban Originally by: swordslasher I wouldn't shed a tear if I found out the guy got hit by a bus IRL, your ingame attitude towards your peers is a reflection of your true personality, and demo is one hell of a ***** - then again, he's also an american republican who owns a demolition company that has at times had some fancy contracts with the US Government. Apple doesn't fall too far from the tree. ATTENTION MODERATORS: THE ABOVE STATEMENT HAS NUTHING TO DO WITH EVE-ONLINE AND GIVES OUT PERSONAL DETAILS OF A GAMERS LIFE THAT HAS NO BEARING ON THE GAME. PLEASE EDIT AND REMOVE IT. Thank you Plazmalord Soban Question: When you make that information public to everyone in your alliance with complete disregard for your own self respect, how can you suddenly claim that it's personal and no one has the right to repeat it? It's not as if I'm his freaking friend, or even know him personally, but he's publically told a whole slew of people this fact, including most of them in KOS. If you didn't know, consider yourself informed, but I don't think I'm 'revealing' anything anymore personal than what he already has. and it is relevant to the topic of discussion if we're going to discuss ones character, one's habits in life, and the sterotypes associated with them, would have a large bearing and do well to explain one's personality in the game and how they treat others. Cliff Notes: demogod is an ass, in and out of eve, so it doesn't suprise me, nor should it surprise anyone else. that said from a tree hugging democrat... if you were demos friend in anyway pal... u wouldnt have tried to over generalise who he is based on who he votes for or what he does for work. people like u try to put HUMAN beings into nice neat little catagories... get real man.
Qing Tian Gallente Bubble Tea Cafe	Posted - 2006.10.25 18:55:00 - [407] Originally by: Mortiaca Edited by: Mortiaca on 25/10/2006 RA and Goon come to us and say hey man we'll throw you a life raft. Not asking for you to help us either but really we're not here to kill you just get you out of our way. Hey Mortiaca, Just a speculation, with number of system that RAGOON is holding, the logistic of having out perform in POS war. I think that RA is pretty much stretched to limit (in term of logistic). To offer KOS an out, it's maybe a way that RA is trying to minimize their cost. Qing Tian
Mortiaca Caldari Freedom-Technologies Knights Of the Southerncross	Posted - 2006.10.25 18:59:00 - [408] From my understanding our "better option" was to pull out to an LV or V station (the outer most stations close to RA) to sit there and fight and lose more on the front lines of what RA was going to hit next. THIS IS NOT something I heard from "KOS Leadership" as you wanna term it. This was something I heard as an offering to those who didn't want to go with the cease fire. Hello let me go lose more and be a better meat shield for you. Also no where in that deal did I hear of anything where V or LV would come and help us at all secure a way to move our things. We would be on our own there all V and LV were to give us was docking rights. It is quite honorable to admit defeat and accept a cease fire in order to pull away from the battle. It is also the kind of choice a leader who has all the people below him and around him in mind would make. True friends and allies don't consider an act of desperation to be an act of trechery. If KOS was anything to LV and V they would be doing what they can to keep us safe not shooting at us while we try to get our stuff out of the warzone. If there had been any true trechery we would not be leaving. We would be staying. Shall I remind everyone that not a single KOS was blue to RA or Goon before LV and V war dec'd us. Not a single KOS was in gang with RA or Goon until LV and V war dec'd us. Not a single KOS was first to draw blood on LV and V. We would have never been the first to do so. But we will never know as LV and V felt it their place to strike first before they could even find out our intentions.
Mortiaca Caldari Freedom-Technologies Knights Of the Southerncross	Posted - 2006.10.25 19:11:00 - [409] Originally by: Qing Tian Originally by: Mortiaca Edited by: Mortiaca on 25/10/2006 RA and Goon come to us and say hey man we'll throw you a life raft. Not asking for you to help us either but really we're not here to kill you just get you out of our way. Hey Mortiaca, Just a speculation, with number of system that RAGOON is holding, the logistic of having out perform in POS war. I think that RA is pretty much stretched to limit (in term of logistic). To offer KOS an out, it's maybe a way that RA is trying to minimize their cost. Qing Tian You're right Qing but KOS without support from V and LV can't fight 4 alliances + pirates. It simply isn't possible. We'll see who the "weak" ones are when all this clears and we see how long others last against that force. KOS lasted a long time under fire. I take no shame in saying that 3 - 4 times our number defeated us. We were invaded by 200+ and we had a gang of maybe 40 - 50 being our off time. To admit defeat in the face of that after being pounded for months on end time and time again I think is perfectly honorable and completely sensible. I really have no clue why I'm even posting anymore other than the thought that there might be members in V and LV who know the difference between the eve-o propaganda and what is really going on. When I'm in system and a gang of V comes thru and someone says "hey weren't we on the same side 2 days ago?" it makes me think that maybe just maybe somewhere someone has a clue. Any position KOS is in right now we were put there and we make the decisions and manuvers we have to. I doubt very seriously if V and LV would have come and shut down Wicked Creek for us so we could leave. Infact I'm almost certain they wouldn't. LV and V from what I have seen never thought anything nice about KOS. As for LV and V sending help to N7.... sure you sent some small crap over there. Umm I remember when RA took the station in F2A. I remember the fleet that LV and V had THERE. The 2 system out lockdown on the pipe for 24 hours a day. What you guys sent to N7 was NOTHING like that. You sent enough to say that you sent something. N7 was a failing on all sides. KOS failed in both QGQ and N7. KOS did. But getting shafted by your allies is no help either.
Touk Shinra Lotka Volterra	Posted - 2006.10.25 19:30:00 - [410] Originally by: petergriffen If you were "sold out" it's because you didn't deserve any better. You let RA come into allied space and do whatever they pleased. When it was your little piece of space down in Curse, we came and helped every time, as did KOS. When calls for help went ignored from your end, what did you expect? you remember when RA lost all them dreads, 9 or so in a single fight... guess where that took place......KOS space. that was one of the many fights V LV and CHIMP all fought on KOS's behalf. Im sorry but an alliance needs to atleast be able to stand on its own 2 feet for more than 5 minutes without expecting others to run to thier aid everytime someone attacks them. Ive seen more KOS camping N-Rael than ive ever seen defending thier home systems that, as already stated were given to them by the rest of the coalition after our dreads took it.
Slarivet Caldari Distant Star Alliance	Posted - 2006.10.25 19:39:00 - [411] Originally by: Plazmalord Soban I was not acting as a cabinet member a senator nor was i assuming my role as vice president. " ive been a little busy" The Senate assumed control of KOS. which i argued was wrong and gonna lead to the failure of KOS. Ask Corvino about the ass chewing i gave him for this move... To blame me in anyway for the failure of this is wrong. My ingame sources indicate you are not Demogod. Is that not right? Other KOS members on this thread indicated that Demo was supposed to handle bringing the allies in. c0rn was speaking about Demogod having his MSN name, TS, evemail, and ingame chat, and so far as I understand, unless you are Demogod, he is not blaming you. Are you Demogod?
Mortiaca Caldari Freedom-Technologies Knights Of the Southerncross	Posted - 2006.10.25 19:44:00 - [412] LOL you know what I just realized? this is the old miner / PVPer debate. One can't survive without the other but for the life of things they can't stand to work together. Touk just made me realize that. He said something about LV and V dreads. Yeah dreads are all cool you can't hold systems with them tho. A good fleet willing to go into battle at the drop of a hat like KOS has is awsome but you can't hold systems with that. Pos's are cool but if you have no fleet or dreads they will only hold a system you can't use. I think the coalition lost sight of what each alliance was good at. The same as within KOS we lost sight of being together as an alliance as one unit and that is why we failed. I'm sure when the coalition made all it's accomplishments they worked together doing so. As someone previously said KOS was actually the POS powerhouse and LV provided the dreads (forgot what role V was supposed to be). Well I can say this KOS is not the POS powerhouse anymore. If anything we have grown into a gurilla warfare tatics alliance. LOL nah seriously we could do the POS powerhouse thing but as I said in a previous post KOS has had it's problems recently like any other alliance will experience at one point. We are also approaching a time where we could become something great. From the ashes of the old arises something new and stronger. This whole time I've been trying to post to see if people even want to understand. I truly think people don't want to actually deal with the situation. It's funner to make flames, talk smack, keep the drama going, and kill people. Keeping human reactions in mind I think the reason V and LV responded so quickly with a war dec was not from being offended. Rather that if KOS really had made a deal with RA Goon maybe it scared them. You don't kill what you aren't afraid of. Well KOS never made that deal. But I think you just won a new enemy. Think I'll just see what other people post maybe respond here and there but gonna work on what needs to be done ingame. TBH that is all that really matters. Get it done in game.
Plazmalord Soban Amarr Hounds Of War Knights Of the Southerncross	Posted - 2006.10.25 19:50:00 - [413] lol you fail to mention there was a significant amount of KOS in that fight. helped us yes we all did it together. Good times. But in no way ever has KOS been a burden to you. With the number of KOS fighting your front lines for you in aiding you. kos lv and v were strong together. Kos realised we were alone and thats the gist of it. After Dying and sitting at gate camps for 5 days or more for LV and V werhave grown tired. We ask ourselves why bother.. why should we be the morons standing in the way of RA's. everyone has got this myth kos is the weaker link thus why Everyone in the game comes down to get some kills. its no wonder we die when the enitre universe is bucking to kill us. while u sit back and ignore reports in shockwave that a 40 man plus ra fleet and 100 plus goon is over in KOS space.... why bother goin there when ur goin to die and not look spiffy on your kill boards. why bother if u cant outnumber your foe 5 to 1... LV gave us wicked lol. ur killin us with that line. Saved the weak KOS pilots... who have been fighting since we have formed. A Constant war one of which wasnt even our fight. LV wanted us to fight RA KOS didnt mind cause we believed a long while back they were helping SE. thats how we got in this crap. Were tired of it. were not your slaves. Were goin elsewhere leaving the Uber Leetest BS behind. If followed we will continue to fight and U can be sure we wont back off of that one. Find another meatshield. I believe i saw a few up an coming alliances who are willing to stand in the line of fire for you. Send em in there. See how they do.
c0rn1 Seraphin Technologies Veritas Immortalis	Posted - 2006.10.25 20:54:00 - [414] Originally by: Plazmalord Soban Corn1 didnt you leave kos cause you was burned out? Cause your rant right there with no basis on facts kinda makes me think your flippin out again. As far as not recieving any word from me. In June i had to stop gaming for about 2 months. When i get back some brainchild in KOS decided to remove the cabinet. I had to also consolidate my corp along with 3 other corps to form what u see now. 3 weeks after this my modem craps out and im stuck to being on the forum at work. I was not acting as a cabinet member a senator nor was i assuming my role as vice president. " ive been a little busy" The Senate assumed control of KOS. which i argued was wrong and gonna lead to the failure of KOS. Ask Corvino about the ass chewing i gave him for this move... To blame me in anyway for the failure of this is wrong. EVERY tower i owned that wasnt destroyed in the first wave of the n7- invasion was Stationed in 4-E where MY office was. I help up my end with all i had. Dude get a clue before u start barking and assuming shyt. Since ive got back Ive rarely seen LV and V. Unless ofcourse we are called into a CTA for then cause Nebba feels like thinning our ranks by asking us to jump into a lagged out server with no hope on the other side of being able to target a single person. And with that... i seem to remember when u were DM in KOS screaming "where the hell are LV's dreads" u ranted that like every night on ts when demo got on... Demo klept saying they are coming.... Did they ever come? NO! Use your head man. Im finding it diffucult to remain calm and respect you when u keep making the insane claims which u clearly no nuthing about. No basis on facts? Wasn't I the one who called V and LV and CHIMP the time the RA dreads got destroyed in q-gq. wasn't I the one idiot who supplied the LV/V/CHIMP dreads with stron while removing the POSs in Q-GQ where even LV/CHIMP lost 3 dreads all in all? Didn't I do alot of freighter runs which were your job at that time? wasn't I the one idiot who moved the freighter before the attack of JLo up to omist 30j and back to F-E, into Jlo even demo and you promised me to take that job at least of me (to get the towers out of Om? Demo was the one telling Chowdown/LD/Soraya how much of a POS force KOS is and that's why they considered you pulling into the coalition and have your own region. when RA attacked the station that time, who was there, huh? we had 120 ppl in alliance chat and I had 20 ppl of KOS in gang. but LV showed up with a friggin 100 ppl fleet out there. remember the day the GM removed the cargo cans at the station which were warp in points to get atlus because he was the only one being active and LV kept the rest of the RA fleet at the POS or we'd have lost the station. (the 2nd time KOS got close to lose it at that time) Who was up there in Omist when we came into KOS and tried to keep SE busy while I saw everytime I came along the POS in 7-8 see the intensive refinery working? no facts? you still gonna deny all? Demo's full mouth providing the tons of towers for JLo and all we had were the small we used to POS spam in Omist (not even 1 large tower I had in the freighter and we said we'd bring 10 at least). I am not blaming you alone. I am blaming the fact that under the leadership which you was a part of it KOS never was able to let others than you and TheT into actual responsibility. responsibility in means of sharing the space, sharing the stations (Yes, I didn't forget the greedy talk of demo when he kicked 42nd out of the alliance because they had the "boldness" to take Jlo at a point where noone else of TheT was there and they shot the station all day. And all the damn situation you are in right now isn't based on the little peons in the alliance. it is because you weren't even able to put in the effort and large towers into Q-GQ which is the damn key system for WC. Demo could've easily paid it out of his personal petty cash. you know it as well as I do. cheers x x x x x x x x x x x x x x -V- Diplomat -V- High Council Member Life's a waste of time ...
Abandon AllHope Caldari Shinra	Posted - 2006.10.25 21:05:00 - [415] Can't we all just get along?
HankMurphy Pelennor Swarm Knights Of the Southerncross	Posted - 2006.10.25 21:28:00 - [416] Originally by: Plazmalord Soban I believe i saw a few up an coming alliances who are willing to stand in the line of fire for you. Send em in there. See how they do. well said plaz. i didn't quote it all because.... well i cant stand it when ppl feel they need to quote an entire conversation you can just scroll up and read :P ---------------------- I love how the topic keeps shifting off of reasons why V LV war dec'd w/o warning and now its what KOS did wrong to lose the system No more talk about war dec'ing allies when they are under siege? No, probly better to focus on something else. Well, obviously, everybody wants to point fingers.... At least us in KOS will admit we have had to swallow some of our pride and say "yeah, mistakes were made. from top down and back up again". We know all fingers point to us as to logistically why we lost qgq. The point of almost every post i've made here is making one thing clear regarding that OP: the only person that made any of this 'kos is kos' happen was you (V and LV). The only treachery that will ever be noted from this event will the YOURS. It will not be forgotten. It sounds like the former allies think we need to burn demo at the stake or something...well again we see the fundamental differences between you and us. We dont single out our own kind and turn on them to make ourselves look better. Like picking on the fat kid in the lunch room, you waited till a moment of weakness to strike, you apparently just wanted an excuse. Being a leader isn't easy. Your gonna make mistakes. Your also expected to be online 23 hours of everyday and in contact w/ everyone you've ever met. You are expected to hold in one hand an issue that needs immediate attention and responce, and in your other hand all your constituents and that demand you dont make a decision till you've gone over it with everyone else. In the middle is someone thats simply trying to make the best decision he can w/ the situation he is in. Period. Dont try to say, 'we declared war because we didn't get an email' , sry you didn't get the memo, but real brave of you to war dec and just show up shooting blues for something you didn't know a damn thing about. WE will step forward as a team, trying to learn from our mistakes, and move forward. You will be happy to ignore all you've done in the past to other allies, and what you will probably do again in teh future. Its easier to stab someone in the back than it is to fight beside them. Its easier to come up w/ stories, excuses and resite water under teh bridge than it is to plan for the future. I feel sorry for the next ppl that ally w/ you.
Mortiaca Caldari Freedom-Technologies Knights Of the Southerncross	Posted - 2006.10.25 21:48:00 - [417] Edited by: Mortiaca on 25/10/2006 21:56:04 Hank as usual I 100% agree with you. This I will leave food for thought. Everyone outside of KOS seems to want to point fingers etc. Yes some of KOS may say "well umm you guys didn't show up". But in the end we lost both N7 and QGQ be it that we trusted people we shouldn't have or that we simply didn't get done what needed to be done. For my part it was both. Now let me say this. Who ever in this game we call eve or in this world thinks they are perfect is a fool. Generally the person with the largest ego falls the hardest because they refuse to see mistakes and learn from them. Atleast I can say that the alliance and corp I belong to admit mistake and are willing to admit that none of us are perfect and could have made the same or a worse mistake. The most important part of all of that? We stick together. I feel like we're back in high school where I hung with the "cool crowd" and the first time I kept some little nerdy dork from getting the crap beat out of him suddenly I was the outsider. I've always stuck by my friends no matter who they were. If they did wrong I will point it out and make sure they know they did wrong. However I would not abandon them. LV and V may call me a hypocrit cause according to them we are traitors. That's funny I thought we were the beat down weak ass dust blowing in the wind without a net to catch us. I didn't know that people who were about to be homeless and refugees could be considered traitors. What I do know is if these roles were reversed.... had V or LV had to get a cease fire so they could crawl out of the mud I being a member of KOS would not have war dec'd them unless they made some action to show they had turned hostile towards us. I don't sluff my friends or acquaintances until they show me with actions they are no longer my friend. LV / V you have done that. No matter what the rumors of what KOS was supposedly going to do. You were the first to shoot. You were the first to war dec. Had you not KOS would have simply moved out no questions asked. Not a single member of KOS would have fired on you. It's actually amazing after what we have done to the people who have now stopped firing on us that they aren't smashing us to pieces. I respect that alot. It shows respect and honor that they know they have us beat. We know they have us beat. And instead of when LV and V war dec'd us Goon and RA could have just stepped aside and let LV and V come in and finish what they started. They didn't. They set us blue and helped us. Now that's some **** right there that amazes me and has put more respect in my mind for people we called enemies than I had for people we called friends.
Zedic Amarr Shinra Lotka Volterra	Posted - 2006.10.25 21:54:00 - [418] This thread needs more cowbell: plink pew pew pew
Sum DumGai	Posted - 2006.10.25 23:17:00 - [419] Originally by: Zedic This thread needs more cowbell: plink pew pew pew
Mortiaca Caldari Freedom-Technologies Knights Of the Southerncross	Posted - 2006.10.25 23:45:00 - [420] Edited by: Mortiaca on 25/10/2006 23:56:04 Edited by: Mortiaca on 25/10/2006 23:55:29 Originally by: Sum DumGai snip It's amazing.... I have access to 7 accounts and I never seem to feel compelled to post on an alt...

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