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Plazmalord Soban
Amarr
Hounds Of War
Knights Of the Southerncross
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Posted - 2006.10.24 15:35:00 -
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Edited by: Plazmalord Soban on 24/10/2006 15:37:40
the whole point is KOS took the option to save its own ass instead of being the cannon fodder and meatshield for LV.
I ask anyone in EVE if they would stand in front of a Freight Train to buffer an alliance that is supposedly so much more superior than us in pvp.
hell i dont know why they are so upset. without KOS in the way to screw up all the time such as we do... they will have plenty of RAGOON's to kill.
Instead they war dec us. lol
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Nebba Kenezzer
Minmatar
Shinra
Lotka Volterra
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Posted - 2006.10.24 15:39:00 -
[302]
 Originally by: Plazmalord Soban
the whole point is KOS took the option to save its own ass
Thanks for clearing that up.
<3 Shadoo
Nebba - The Vocal Majority
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Khorin D'tael
Caldari
State War Academy
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Posted - 2006.10.24 15:46:00 -
[303]
So KOS are nowgoing to be SMASH/ROADKILL/RA puppets or am I missing something?
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Shadoo
The Taining corp
Knights Of the Southerncross
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Posted - 2006.10.24 15:49:00 -
[304]
Edited by: Shadoo on 24/10/2006 15:54:26
Edited by: Shadoo on 24/10/2006 15:50:54
Originally by: Khorin D'tael
am I missing something?
Posting with your main?
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Jeune
Terran Robotics
Knights Of the Southerncross
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Posted - 2006.10.24 15:53:00 -
[305]
First, my opinion is not necessarily that of my corp or Alliance.
Taking into consideration - My short time in KOS
- Participating in gangs for -V-/LV defense against RA/Goon
- Seeing no CTA from -V-/LV to defend KOS
- The sheer volume of BS piled in this thread
- The Wardec's on an ally when they're down
I can safely say that I'd rather go down in flames with KOS (if that happens) than ever be LV.
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Plazmalord Soban
Amarr
Hounds Of War
Knights Of the Southerncross
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Posted - 2006.10.24 16:06:00 -
[306]
Edited by: Plazmalord Soban on 24/10/2006 16:10:35
Edited by: Plazmalord Soban on 24/10/2006 16:09:25
agreed brother...
and nebba speaks... wasnt you the smart one who decided to engage an enemy a few weeks ago in an entirely lagged out system getting on the KOS ts and YELLING like were dogs to jump into the fight for you. .... yea i think it was.... smart call that was brainchild.
that fight killed the server too if i remember correctly.
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Keww
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Posted - 2006.10.24 16:17:00 -
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I was proud to fly with the FCÆs in KOS and believe they did a good job. There are many pilots in KOS who I still and will always have respect for as they did a great job all things considered.
And with that being saidà
Who was it that left all the towers unfueled, unarmed, and off lined in N7-? That ineffective strategy cost KOS dearly as we lost insmother. We were then assured that it was a mistake and would not happen again. We regroup to WC area were we should now be even more fortified due to the fact that assets were moved from insmother to wc for defense. Once again the "speed bump" approach to ensuring soventry goes into effect and small towers are anchored and not on lined or fueled. Q-gq had 23 moons making it an easy defense (with on lined and fueled towers) So why did we protect one of our most important systems with small off lined towers? It didn't work in N7- what made the leadership think it would work in q-gq? If the excuse is that no one knew then they should have been listening to my CEO every senate meeting as he asked why they were offline without response week after week.
I blame the leadership of KOS for all this. Who the heck puts someone in charge of POS's that doesn't know what they heck they are doing and then never check up on them. Your tactics for insuring soventry did nothing more than to invite an attack, you may as well have painted large bullÆs-eyeÆs on the sides of those POS's. RA saw a week spot and capitalized on it, just good strat on their part plain and simple.
I have respect for the pilots and FCÆs of KOS, but no confidence in the leadership (Dumbogod) due to their own actions, lack there of, inability to learn form their mistakes, or take credit for their [Expletive Deleted] ups.
As far as the coalition goes, it is true we have helped get towers out of re-enforced mode on several occasions. That however is totally different from asking for help to remove RA death stars and regain sov that was just handed off through sheer stupidity and redundant mistakes made on the part of KOS leadership. I am sure that if we had needed help to get towers out of re-enforced mode help would have been on the way. But due to the stupidity of KOS leadership we were left asking for help to regain sov and eliminate death stars because KOS leadership made the same mistakes from N7- again, huge difference IMHO. I for one canÆt blame them for not rushing to KOS defense; after all it was KOS leadership that made q-gq such a tempting target not unlike what happened in N7- not too long ago.
If you are looking at someone to blame for this mess or someone to be angry with take a look at the people in charge and start asking them what the [Expletive Deleted] they were thinking making the same mistakes over again then attempting to switch the focus of anger to a Corp that has the fortitude to stand up and say we will not compromise our honor just to sweep the stupidity of KOS leadership (fc's not included) under the carpet no matter the cost.
Nice job handing RA 2 regions KOS leadership (Dumbogod), please donÆt be upset with us due to your own stupidity.
Keww
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Shadoo
The Taining corp
Knights Of the Southerncross
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Posted - 2006.10.24 16:18:00 -
[308]
Now, now Plazma. Let's not be offensive or bitter.
-V- was fighting on the other side, we had to jump in to help. I ordered the jump, thou I knew the system would lag us the worst (last ones to load syndrome) -- but you go in to help your friends in a fight.
It was fun, for the 7x11 slugs I got to shoot.
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Kingsman
Gallente
The Flying Tigers
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Posted - 2006.10.24 16:25:00 -
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Originally by: Plazmalord Soban
We asked of all the corps leaders to keep this qiet until Demogod was able to explain fully was was taking place.
Originally by: Plazmalord Soban
As for not telling your alliance's V and LV we in the senate meeting were under the impression demo was in talks with you about it and we were assured you were informed about it and would be again after the meeting.
So if they were so well informed as we were obviously led to believe in this meeting then wouldn't it make sense that the keeping it quiet part was meant to keep enemies uninformed but that our allies were already aware of the situation. And if that was the case what was the problem with asking those informed allies for docking rights?
Again we NEVER implied, stated or anything else that KOS had any plans to set coalition members neg. And in spite of your treatment of us we still have not disclosed anything else that was discussed in that meeting.
"Nothing is fool-proof to a sufficiently talented fool."
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Kuolematon
Space Perverts and Forum Warriors United
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Posted - 2006.10.24 16:30:00 -
[310]
PERVS fully endorse abuse of suas ! 
Part of forum movement known as "It's great being Amarr, aint it?Ö"
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Plazmalord Soban
Amarr
Hounds Of War
Knights Of the Southerncross
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Posted - 2006.10.24 16:32:00 -
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np shadoo i knew they had u under the gun... it was still a dumb move. and who was that fleet that stayed back two jumps behind us when we charged in to help Save -V-
and Keww ... what corp was u with ? u say the leadership failed when it was the leadership that was screaming to get the towers up 6 weeks ago. it was the corporations in KOS who failed on that not the leadership. they didnt want to take down their towers to anchor up q-gq.
Demo Demanded they do so the senate agreed to do so... why didnt it happen? cause the corps didnt make it happen.
and the smalls were in place only until the corporations in KOS put up the large towers ( which never happened )
I agree this is the 3rd time now that this has happened. Never again will this happen.
Doesnt matter KOS lost the will to fight for LV / V
Tired of getting wiped out everytime we engaged the enemy in Massive conflicts.
If looking out for the interests of KOS by accepting a cease fire NAP with RA GOON to leave the area and save our remaining Assets is wrong then .. Im guilty.
lol its not like if i was robbed at gunpoint in a bank would i stand there and say ... oh no u cant have my watch... BANG YOUR DEAD SUCKA ! and die over it.
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Keww
The Flying Tigers
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Posted - 2006.10.24 17:17:00 -
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Originally by: and Keww ... what corp was u with ? u say the leadership failed when it was the leadership that was screaming to get the towers up 6 weeks ago. it was the corporations in KOS who failed on that not the leadership. they didnt want to take down their towers to anchor up q-gq.
Demo Demanded they do so the senate agreed to do so... why didnt it happen? cause the corps didnt make it happen.
and the smalls were in place only until the corporations in KOS put up the large towers ( which never happened )
I agree this is the 3rd time now that this has happened. Never again will this happen.[/quote
The first time it happened sould have been the last .. here we are on number 3?
So what you are saying is it is ok to leave these unfueled and off lined for 6 weeks because it really was someone elses fault for not setting up something else faster?
Well why were they not fueled and onlined while you were waiting for corps to set up in q-gq?
This is exactly what my post was about, inability to accept responsibility for your(KOS leadership) actions or lack there of. My guess is that the leadership will have a ton of excuses as to why this happened, none of which will focus on the fact that they [Explative Deleted]it up AGAIN plain and simple. If you knew Corps were dragging thier feet you should have kept those towers fueled and ready to go into re enforced mode .. but instead you chose the option of letting them sit unfueled and offline ready to fall and squeeling it's not our(KOS leadership) fault Corps were suppost to set up there??? Well you may by that song and dance but I do not. Off line tower are little more than an open invatation for trouble and by your own addmission you let them sit for 6 weeks knowing this was a potential issue, and now it is simpley just not your fault and you blame the member Corps for not acting faster.
I am still wondering how it is that small offline towers without fuel insure sov?
Screeming to get towers up and then leaving the ones that are there without fuel and off lined? Sorry this just doesn't add up to me and sounds like anouther excuse for poor leadership and POS managment in an attemp to shift the focus of anger/blame.
Wishing you all the best in your future efforts.
Keww
Proud member of the FLYING TIGERS
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Jim Eat
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Posted - 2006.10.24 17:17:00 -
[313]
Edited by: Jim Eat on 24/10/2006 17:17:46
Edited by: Jim Eat on 24/10/2006 17:17:30
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Redbad
Minmatar
Vengeance of the Fallen
Imperium Alliance
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Posted - 2006.10.24 17:24:00 -
[314]
11 pages of pointing fingers ... cool! 
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Bonaduce
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Posted - 2006.10.24 18:04:00 -
[315]
Was there any doubt that kos would suffer from the losing end of this lil coalition with people like Plaz in the senority slots of the alliance?
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Plazmalord Soban
Amarr
Hounds Of War
Knights Of the Southerncross
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Posted - 2006.10.24 18:13:00 -
[316]
With all due respect keww... wait... thats right ... i have none for ya. you are one of those who rabble rabble and i didnt see u stepping up to fill in the void. I did see alot of flying tygers tho in S0- hunting rats when we would get CTA's called tho.
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Plazmalord Soban
Amarr
Hounds Of War
Knights Of the Southerncross
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Posted - 2006.10.24 18:16:00 -
[317]
Originally by: Bonaduce
Was there any doubt that kos would suffer from the losing end of this lil coalition with people like Plaz in the senority slots of the alliance?
lol
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MironCosszma
NEXT LEVEL
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Posted - 2006.10.24 18:21:00 -
[318]
actualy LV/V problems isnt KOS or lousing another region ...the true problem is : RA/GOONS are closer then they think ..each week coalition lost space .....and foooook ascn are not there anymore to back up them .
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They say the plane and the ordinary are rule by fate
And heroic chouse their own destiny
I desagree,
Samtimes,destiny chouses the Hero.
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Frodo
Amarr
Shinra
Lotka Volterra
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Posted - 2006.10.24 18:28:00 -
[319]
KOS leadership= "Oh Noes lets NAP RA They will kill us so bad we must leave"
Reality= LV will pwn you worse than RA ever did or could.
Life is a B***** then you die!
Holler @ Ya boy!!!!
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Hawkings SJ
Caldari
FATAL REVELATIONS
Lotka Volterra
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Posted - 2006.10.24 18:28:00 -
[320]
Originally by: Redbad
11 pages of pointing fingers ... cool!
It's just like when IMP collapsed after G gave up on them!
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Plazmalord Soban
Amarr
Hounds Of War
Knights Of the Southerncross
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Posted - 2006.10.24 18:31:00 -
[321]
Originally by: Frodo
KOS leadership= "Oh Noes lets NAP RA They will kill us so bad we must leave"
Reality= LV will pwn you worse than RA ever did or could.
Life is a B***** then you die!
Holler @ Ya boy!!!!
shave your feet!
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Jim Eat
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Posted - 2006.10.24 18:33:00 -
[322]
Edited by: Jim Eat on 24/10/2006 18:32:51
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Heldane
Amarr
1st Praetorian Guard
Vigilia Valeria
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Posted - 2006.10.24 18:34:00 -
[323]
Edited by: Heldane on 24/10/2006 18:36:21
I keep hearing referances to KOS handing over WC without a fight. From all appearances they did fight, alone and with no real help from their compatriots in the coalition, unfortunately they lost.
Now as far as to why they did not inform the other coalition members as to their intentions in a timely manner I cannot say, but considering the amount of use these allies seemed to be leading up to this point one could assume that perhaps they felt they had already been written off. At such a time the leaders of the alliance made a decision to save themselves, and while the bravery the flying tigers showed in their willingness to fight to the last man is commendable, it is not always the prudent move for one responsible for the welfare of many corporations under the alliance banner.
Signs are all pointing to a shift in power in the regions in question. Pray that the other sharks do not sense fresh blood in the water.
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Keww
The Flying Tigers
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Posted - 2006.10.24 18:34:00 -
[324]
Edited by: Keww on 24/10/2006 18:35:47
Originally by: Plazmalord Soban
With all due respect keww... wait... thats right ... i have none for ya. you are one of those who rabble rabble and i didnt see u stepping up to fill in the void. I did see alot of flying tygers tho in S0- hunting rats when we would get CTA's called tho.
Fair enough Plazma as I'm not seeking your respect. Not sure you are entirely accurate about FT.C ratting during cta but hey this is your fantisy world we are in as you refuse to address anything realisticaly. I still don't see you addressing issues, but instead you make an attempt to refocus attention by claiming FT.C rats during CTA's. More bad mouthing FT.C will not make you a better leader or cover up the monumental [Explative deleted] ups made by KOS leadership. I guess you have to stick with the tactics you know even when they are futile at best.
If that's the best you can do, congrats I'm crying in my beer, NOT!
Once again wishing you the best in your future efforts.
Keww
Proud member of the FLYING TIGERS
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LWMaverick
Quam Singulari
Lotka Volterra
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Posted - 2006.10.24 18:37:00 -
[325]
YARRRRRRRRRRRR Finally.
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Malev Volos
Caldari
Fortunate Few
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Posted - 2006.10.24 18:45:00 -
[326]
On a side note, I spent my weekend helping KOS escort their haulers, shooting up RA & Goons in the process... didn't even get a T-Shirt, but what I did get was podded by KOS after I had been in their gang...
I must have been a trecherous fellow loosing my ships for KOS, that i deserved a podding.
I don't understand the thoughts behind all this, all I can say is a friend of my enemy is my enemy also... and that takes into account LV and -V- policy, explaining or no explaining, its stupid to NAP an enemy and not consult with the coalition, you forget the chain that is there... now just fight.. I have flown with many a KOS I respect lots, they have some great FC's but there is a lack of direction. I love KOS, but now must live on the other side of the fence, I like the coalition more.. safe flying and luck on the fields of battle.
Malev
P.S. I am former UMC, KOS member as -FTW is the new UMC, after we decided to leave because we were thought to be a Mining corporation... even after we were 10th on the KB's with approx 30 members... must have been killing Roids badly...
*These are my opinions, and my opinions only they do not reflect the opinions of my corp in any way*
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Plazmalord Soban
Amarr
Hounds Of War
Knights Of the Southerncross
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Posted - 2006.10.24 18:48:00 -
[327]
malev who shot you and why ?
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Frodo
Amarr
Shinra
Lotka Volterra
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Posted - 2006.10.24 18:49:00 -
[328]
Edited by: Frodo on 24/10/2006 18:51:34
Originally by: Plazmalord Soban
Originally by: Frodo
KOS leadership= "Oh Noes lets NAP RA They will kill us so bad we must leave"
Reality= LV will pwn you worse than RA ever did or could.
Life is a B***** then you die!
Holler @ Ya boy!!!!
shave your feet!
No thanks I prefer them hairy so when I walk all over your S***** Fleet again* You can give me a good ol hairy foot massage just the way you like it. THanks for the BS loot again KOS!!!!!
* http://www.eve-ams.net/killsearch.jsp
Location:1L-OEK
Date:Oct 23,2006
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MobyMule
Minmatar
PoliCratton Technologies
Knights Of the Southerncross
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Posted - 2006.10.24 19:31:00 -
[329]
Edited by: MobyMule on 24/10/2006 19:31:31
Edited by: MobyMule on 24/10/2006 19:31:02
Originally by: Heldane
Edited by: Heldane on 24/10/2006 18:36:21
I keep hearing referances to KOS handing over WC without a fight. From all appearances they did fight, alone and with no real help from their compatriots in the coalition, unfortunately they lost.
Now as far as to why they did not inform the other coalition members as to their intentions in a timely manner I cannot say, but considering the amount of use these allies seemed to be leading up to this point one could assume that perhaps they felt they had already been written off. At such a time the leaders of the alliance made a decision to save themselves, and while the bravery the flying tigers showed in their willingness to fight to the last man is commendable, it is not always the prudent move for one responsible for the welfare of many corporations under the alliance banner.
Signs are all pointing to a shift in power in the regions in question. Pray that the other sharks do not sense fresh blood in the water.
I have to say that Shadoo has already done a great job of the ins and outs of why. Yes we did fight and without help except from a few outside the alliance. It was not pretty but it was fun. Life goes on and so do we.
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Mortiaca
Caldari
Freedom-Technologies
Knights Of the Southerncross
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Posted - 2006.10.24 19:40:00 -
[330]
Wow I finally reached the end of the thread.....
In some ways I find 12 pages of this fertilizer funny in other ways I find it down right sad.
I don't know where to begin. So I'll just go into some random thoughts on this.
Our corp particularly have gone thru just about every hellfire flame and cookery there is down here in the south. It's rather interesting because as our corp grows stronger and stronger with every new thing we lose it seems that others grow weaker.
Eve is a game of chess people. Simply put. Life in general is. Personally I was one of those senators and my CEO and I discussed it. We decided that the NAP with RA was better than losing every asset we had in 0.0 a THIRD TIME because of someone elses inability. Sorry guys clear cut and dry a 45 man corp can't hold off a storm trooping enemy coming in and dropping the a-bomb on us and the whole area lol. We tried as best we could and fought our asses off along with a few other corps.
I'll be totally honest I have seen KOS be on the front lines of this whole war. Hell Freedom Technologies was on the front lines of the war before we were even in KOS. So when V and LV say they had to help KOS alot. Well no pucky there sherlock. Maybe that is because all the enemies are attacking us not you. I think you'll figure that one out soon enough.
Trying not to go too far into the internals of KOS but yes as any alliance it has it's problems. Freedom Technologies are staying with KOS and hoping to be a part of changing things to get rid of some of the a larger problems.
What I see in here are alot of bad decisions. I do not know why Demogod denied the NAP. I would assume because he had not actually spoken to LD yet and was not ready to be questioned about it. When put in the spot light unexpectedly many of us will freeze up and spit out whatever **** comes to mind.
LV / V I think you have more problems to worry about than us. Why don't you continue your war let us pull the hell out of it instead of making it harder on yourselves. I don't think you really know what is coming your way. Either that or you are too egotistical to admit it. All this eve-o forums propaganda of "We're too cool for that" makes me wanna puke. I hope you aren't telling your troops that you aren't in to get drug thru the mud and then set on fire.
There are alot of things about the way some people think when running guilds / corps / alliances that I don't even try to understand. Maybe this is why Freedom Technologies formed from 2 other corps 1 of which I know was formed from a guild back on another game over 5 years if not 6 or 7 ago are still around...
Simply because we don't understand the way you people think. It makes no sense to us what so ever.
The currently policy of throw your friend in the water, tell them to swim. When they are drowning so badly they will reach for anyone's hand including someone who has been shooting at them the whole time you as their friend step on their head. The ironic part is while you are too busy getting revenge for a simple failure and not trechery your enemies are going to line up behind you... laugh while you are stepping on our heads and then shoot you.
There is so much finger pointing and propaganda in this thread no one has actually sat down and said this....
If a corp fails the whole corp failed. If an alliance fails the whole alliance failed. If a coalition fails the whole coalition failed.
No matter who you are no matter what you did you are either guilty of making the decision, not stopping the decision, considering the decision to not be your problem, or thinking it was not that big of a deal to involve you.
It's funny when people succeed how the whole group will take credit but when they fail no one will take blame. I will be the first to say as a member of KOS this is all partially my fault. Now LV and V where is your blame for the loss of WC. Were you not a part of that coalition?
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