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Chowdown Gallente Shinra Lotka Volterra	Posted - 2006.10.23 22:15:00 - [1] KOS are KOS to the coalition, your treachery is noted and you will be dealt with. Contact Chowdown, Velios or Light Darkness for terms. T H E K E Y!
Light Darkness Seraphin Technologies Veritas Immortalis	Posted - 2006.10.23 22:15:00 - [2] /signed by -V-eritas Immortalis Regards /LD -V-eritas Immortalis Originally by: nync we fisrt time saw -v-members ctrl+qing to save their ships,we started to think how to pay attention of eve community
Hitman396 Caldari UK Corp Lotka Volterra	Posted - 2006.10.23 22:17:00 - [3] Yarr!
c0rn1 Seraphin Technologies Veritas Immortalis	Posted - 2006.10.23 22:17:00 - [4] Edited by: c0rn1 on 23/10/2006 22:17:11 waves to demogod x x x x x x x x x x x x x x -V- Diplomat -V- High Council Member Life's a waste of time ...
King Dave Shinra Lotka Volterra	Posted - 2006.10.23 22:18:00 - [5] Edited by: King Dave on 23/10/2006 22:22:30 Let the games begin! T H E K E Y! ------------------------------- don't speak english... f1, f2, alt-q!
Fubumaki Shinra Lotka Volterra	Posted - 2006.10.23 22:18:00 - [6] T H E K E Y I'm just preparing my impromptu remarks.
Dortock The Scarlet Harmonic	Posted - 2006.10.23 22:18:00 - [7] I think KOS just played CHSN's cards back in Tribute. This is gonna get interesting. King Tinfoil Hatter
Gunship Amarr FATAL REVELATIONS Lotka Volterra	Posted - 2006.10.23 22:19:00 - [8] signed, Time for a little action So you want to join us?
Nebba Kenezzer Minmatar Shinra Lotka Volterra	Posted - 2006.10.23 22:19:00 - [9] Edited by: Nebba Kenezzer on 23/10/2006 22:20:56 Shutupandshave says: V are next btw Yay for drama, suas is so cruel! WTS: clue Nebba - The Vocal Majority
Corey Grim FinFleet Lotka Volterra	Posted - 2006.10.23 22:19:00 - [10] ah more targets... welcome to the wrong side of war kos. My latest Video: Hysteria
Pepperami Art of War Cult of War	Posted - 2006.10.23 22:20:00 - [11] [EVE TASK BAR?]
Pehova Mindtriq Celestial Apocalypse Insurgency	Posted - 2006.10.23 22:21:00 - [12] What did they do, side with RA? Celes/Toxin vs BOB
Perpello Shinra Lotka Volterra	Posted - 2006.10.23 22:21:00 - [13] T H E K E Y
Hast Destructive Influence Band of Brothers	Posted - 2006.10.23 22:21:00 - [14] hihi, somehow expected, but unexpected nonetheless KOS is one of the most worthless alliance I have had the displeasure of fighting with... Originally by: CYVOK If you surrender now we will consider letting you guys keep Fountain. -CYVOK-
Klezz FinFleet Lotka Volterra	Posted - 2006.10.23 22:22:00 - [15] T H E K E Y
Avernus Gallente Imperium Technologies Firmus Ixion	Posted - 2006.10.23 22:23:00 - [16] Ouch! That's gonna throw a spanner in the works! Nothing in life is quite so sweet as the taste of payback.
Ediz Daxx FinFleet Lotka Volterra	Posted - 2006.10.23 22:23:00 - [17] Mommie.
Khayman33 Caldari Section XIII Tau Ceti Federation	Posted - 2006.10.23 22:24:00 - [18] Edited by: Khayman33 on 23/10/2006 22:26:37 use and throw them after time limitation lol
Helganstandt Finis Lumen Muffins of Mayhem	Posted - 2006.10.23 22:24:00 - [19] So what did they do? Comeon, give us a little more than that! I need a gossip injection, I'm running low on my stash.
Shadoo The Taining corp Knights Of the Southerncross	Posted - 2006.10.23 22:26:00 - [20] Well, I guess that's what you get for failing to POS up in Creek after struggling for N7 and F2A and coming to help in DG- and KZF- rather than running key logistics to bring POSes . With little left to fight for, what can you do but pull out and go rebuild in empire. Not to worry, both V and LV fighters will remain well respected by the rank and file in KOS -- you guys have tought us much and we've had some great fun fighting along side each others. Politics are what politics are. Funny ERA didn't get a dec while KOS did :-). Have fun, and best of luck LV, V, CHIMP, RA, Imp and Goons.
snipawolf Caldari Awesimo Ventures	Posted - 2006.10.23 22:26:00 - [21] I wonder what KOS did...
Soulis Slacker Industries Exuro Mortis	Posted - 2006.10.23 22:26:00 - [22] Good luck, not that i think you guys need it. Originally by: Shamis Orzoz I steal groceries from old ladies when I'm not pirating in eve.
arkarsk Provenance.	Posted - 2006.10.23 22:26:00 - [23] I hear posting threads with little content and no explanation is great c/d It's kind of obvious people are going to ask what happened, why dont you write it out in the original post? That said, what happened? ----------------- Please resize image to a maximum of 400 x 120, not exceeding 24000 bytes, ty - Cortes ;_;
Lunarra Paradox v2.0 Tactical Narcotics Team	Posted - 2006.10.23 22:27:00 - [24] Can say they having a great couple of months lately...
Dortock The Scarlet Harmonic	Posted - 2006.10.23 22:28:00 - [25] Originally by: Shadoo Well, I guess that's what you get for failing to POS up in Creek after struggling for N7 and F2A and coming to help in DG- and KZF- rather than running key logistics to bring POSes . With little left to fight for, what can you do but pull out and go rebuild in empire. Not to worry, both V and LV fighters will remain well respected by the rank and file in KOS -- you guys have tought us much and we've had some great fun fighting along side each others. Politics are what politics are. Funny ERA didn't get a dec while KOS did :-). Have fun, and best of luck LV, V, CHIMP, RA, Imp and Goons. To make sure I am understanding this correctly.. you pulled a CHSN? I was right King Tinfoil Hatter
Ange1 Gallente The Establishment Establishment	Posted - 2006.10.23 22:29:00 - [26] omg T H E K E Y ! The Establishment is at your service...
Dortock The Scarlet Harmonic	Posted - 2006.10.23 22:30:00 - [27] Originally by: Helganstandt So what did they do? Comeon, give us a little more than that! I need a gossip injection, I'm running low on my stash. Spidey did something.. err yeah King Tinfoil Hatter
Ale Tricio M. Corp Lotka Volterra	Posted - 2006.10.23 22:30:00 - [28] T H E K E Y Demo you should be ashamed
Hast Destructive Influence Band of Brothers	Posted - 2006.10.23 22:31:00 - [29] T H E K E Y ! its been a while Originally by: CYVOK If you surrender now we will consider letting you guys keep Fountain. -CYVOK-
arkarsk Provenance.	Posted - 2006.10.23 22:31:00 - [30] Originally by: Dortock To make sure I am understanding this correctly.. you pulled a CHSN? I was right If KOS nap'd RA to get their stuff out, that's not pulling a CHSN. CHSN betrayed their alliance to get only their corp members stuff out, wherease KOS didnt really sell out anyone (if thats what happened). Anyway, count down till long winded CHSN post itt... ----------------- Please resize image to a maximum of 400 x 120, not exceeding 24000 bytes, ty - Cortes ;_;
Zoron REUNI0N Red Alliance	Posted - 2006.10.23 22:31:00 - [31] Edited by: Zoron on 23/10/2006 22:31:19 KOS are KOS LOL no ROFL LROOFJUFJSHUJHAOOOOOOL
Saladir The Taining corp Knights Of the Southerncross	Posted - 2006.10.23 22:31:00 - [32] wtf
Helganstandt Finis Lumen Muffins of Mayhem	Posted - 2006.10.23 22:34:00 - [33] Originally by: Dortock Originally by: Helganstandt So what did they do? Comeon, give us a little more than that! I need a gossip injection, I'm running low on my stash. Spidey did something.. err yeah I KNEW IT! That'll teach him to mess with Ephemeron...wait...
petergriffen Amarr ISS Navy Task Force Interstellar Starbase Syndicate	Posted - 2006.10.23 22:34:00 - [34] What Chosen Path did was hand over Tribute to D2 by turning off sovereignty claims on all POS towers, without letting ERA know about it. They had hoped to join D2 after doing so, but they were denied admittance. ERA and KOS left their respective regions because when RA began POS spamming Cache, LV and -V- and the "coalition" didn't bother to come help them when they needed it, even though both had come to help the rest on numerous occasions. That's what happened, if I remember correctly.
Peoke Caldari Rome SMASH Alliance	Posted - 2006.10.23 22:35:00 - [35] Wow i love it Lv and co have no threats that they have to war dec a ally. A Ally that failed to stay alive and decided to go to empire, choosing to save whats left over desroying its alliance. Guess thats what frineds of lv get. fight a war alone then when u fail they come and kick you while your down. Props to lv and co the logic make so much sence wonder why everyone else doesnt do it.
Refeirg Atonmi Caldari The Greater Goon The OSS	Posted - 2006.10.23 22:35:00 - [36] Originally by: petergriffen What Chosen Path did was hand over Tribute to D2 by turning off sovereignty claims on all POS towers, without letting ERA know about it. They had hoped to join D2 after doing so, but they were denied admittance. ERA and KOS left their respective regions because when RA began POS spamming Cache, LV and -V- and the "coalition" didn't bother to come help them when they needed it, even though both had come to help the rest on numerous occasions. That's what happened, if I remember correctly. Sounds right to me!
Aldari Verve Black Omega Security The OSS	Posted - 2006.10.23 22:37:00 - [37] Let me guess.... Didn't get any support, or the support you were promised? Ironic, now u see how it feels and realize that Lotka Volterra is our for themselves
mannyman Ghosts Of Stealth Knights Of the Southerncross	Posted - 2006.10.23 22:37:00 - [38] if this war is going to happen, Im glad Im close to -V- stations in my sniping cloaked bs... -V- look out if we really are going to have this conflict. let the game begin
Remmington Daniels Caldari Destructive Influence Band of Brothers	Posted - 2006.10.23 22:37:00 - [39] Pulling a CHSN for the suck. gg give em hell LV. <3 Chow
crice Caldari CRICE Corporation Lotka Volterra	Posted - 2006.10.23 22:39:00 - [40] Disappointing to see part of the coalition, napping enemies to save themselves. Honor is everything, without it you are nothing! crice
petergriffen Amarr ISS Navy Task Force Interstellar Starbase Syndicate	Posted - 2006.10.23 22:39:00 - [41] They just seem to enjoy taking vast amounts of money for regions and not bothering to help their newfound "allies"
Two step Amarr Chosen Path Lotka Volterra	Posted - 2006.10.23 22:39:00 - [42] Originally by: petergriffen What Chosen Path did was hand over Tribute to D2 by turning off sovereignty claims on all POS towers, without letting ERA know about it. They had hoped to join D2 after doing so, but they were denied admittance. ERA and KOS left their respective regions because when RA began POS spamming Cache, LV and -V- and the "coalition" didn't bother to come help them when they needed it, even though both had come to help the rest on numerous occasions. That's what happened, if I remember correctly. Actually, if you remembered correctly, ERA sold us out. Rather than losing the billions of ISK we had invested in POSes, ships and mods, we made a deal with D2 to evacuate our stuff. So actually, our situation in Tribute is a lot close to what you are claiming KOS's situtation is right now. Of course, I don't agree with that view of things either, but whatever.
Nebba Kenezzer Minmatar Shinra Lotka Volterra	Posted - 2006.10.23 22:40:00 - [43] Edited by: Nebba Kenezzer on 23/10/2006 22:40:40 Originally by: Peoke Wow i love it Lv and co have no threats that they have to war dec a ally. A Ally that failed to stay alive and decided to go to empire, choosing to save whats left over desroying its alliance. Guess thats what frineds of lv get. fight a war alone then when u fail they come and kick you while your down. Props to lv and co the logic make so much sence wonder why everyone else doesnt do it. News flash; it was LV + V + CHIMP dreads who got them wicked creek in the first place. Cheerio Nebba - The Vocal Majority
arkarsk Provenance.	Posted - 2006.10.23 22:42:00 - [44] Originally by: Nebba Kenezzer News flash; it was LV + V + CHIMP dreads who got them wicked creek in the first place. Oh, so you feel your obligation ended there right? ----------------- Please resize image to a maximum of 400 x 120, not exceeding 24000 bytes, ty - Cortes ;_;
Aldari Verve Black Omega Security The OSS	Posted - 2006.10.23 22:42:00 - [45] Edited by: Aldari Verve on 23/10/2006 22:43:35 Originally by: Remmington Daniels Pulling a CHSN for the suck. gg give em hell LV. <3 Chow Don't worry we still call someone dying multiple times due to stupidity...pulling a Rem. looks at your kb record and thinks "safety in numbers"
petergriffen Amarr ISS Navy Task Force Interstellar Starbase Syndicate	Posted - 2006.10.23 22:43:00 - [46] If you were "sold out" it's because you didn't deserve any better. You let RA come into allied space and do whatever they pleased. When it was your little piece of space down in Curse, we came and helped every time, as did KOS. When calls for help went ignored from your end, what did you expect?
Major Dim Caldari Russian SOBR Red Alliance	Posted - 2006.10.23 22:44:00 - [47] I am still waiting for Omeega to post...he is da man who knows what so say to this....Omeega where r u? And to the situation - omgpwndagain
Soulis Slacker Industries Exuro Mortis	Posted - 2006.10.23 22:44:00 - [48] Originally by: Aldari Verve Let me guess.... Didn't get any support, or the support you were promised? Ironic, now u see how it feels and realize that Lotka Volterra is our for themselves ERA - gives us billions to put pos up cache LV - ** off Originally by:** Shamis Orzoz I steal groceries from old ladies when I'm not pirating in eve.
Waragha Art of War Cult of War	Posted - 2006.10.23 22:44:00 - [49] Originally by: petergriffen If you were "sold out" it's because you didn't deserve any better. You let RA come into allied space and do whatever they pleased. When it was your little piece of space down in Curse, we came and helped every time, as did KOS. When calls for help went ignored from your end, what did you expect? yes, KOS was truly the fighting force behind the coalition. Originally by: Trepkos The only difference between GS and NPC's are that GS respawn quicker.
Robet Katrix Beagle Corp R0ADKILL	Posted - 2006.10.23 22:44:00 - [50] Originally by: Two step Originally by: petergriffen What Chosen Path did was hand over Tribute to D2 by turning off sovereignty claims on all POS towers, without letting ERA know about it. They had hoped to join D2 after doing so, but they were denied admittance. ERA and KOS left their respective regions because when RA began POS spamming Cache, LV and -V- and the "coalition" didn't bother to come help them when they needed it, even though both had come to help the rest on numerous occasions. That's what happened, if I remember correctly. Actually, if you remembered correctly, ERA sold us out. Rather than losing the billions of ISK we had invested in POSes, ships and mods, we made a deal with D2 to evacuate our stuff. So actually, our situation in Tribute is a lot close to what you are claiming KOS's situtation is right now. Of course, I don't agree with that view of things either, but whatever. wow, i totally forgot CHSN was now in LV. thats kinda ironic isn't it? .... isn't it?
Chronus26 Gallente Dark Blood Contracts	Posted - 2006.10.23 22:45:00 - [51] you know, backstabbing allies is considerd NOT COOL. There are actually some nice hardworking people on KOS believe it or not who don't deserve this kinda crap. What next? -V- and RA allies? ----- Move along, nothing to see here...
HankMurphy Pelennor Swarm Knights Of the Southerncross	Posted - 2006.10.23 22:46:00 - [52] was surfing forums to see what color of shyte was hitting fan today and... lo and behold this! hmm... I think someone has been whispering LV and -V-s ear(s) well, enjoyed fighting alongside you all. KOS was PROUD to loose fleets in coalitions defense. oh, and thanks for the 10 pilots you sent when we were under siege! it went a long way and for teh rumor mills, no we aren't allying up w/ RA/goons or anything like that well, i got 50isk says this will all come out in the wash. sounds like V LV heard some things that probably were pretty far from the truth isn't it interesting how quickly ppl turn against you?
Dungar Loghoth Caldari Black Omega Security The OSS	Posted - 2006.10.23 22:46:00 - [53] I swear I said this was coming not even four days ago...wait, here it is, still on the front page: Originally by: Dungar Loghoth Edited by: Dungar Loghoth on 21/10/2006 18:34:47 Originally by: Skrypt Edited by: Skrypt on 21/10/2006 17:39:13 RA/Goons aren't going to do anything to the coalition save for offlining towers with spies. However, even that's a short term victory. Quote: clearly to put this: RA/goon maked nice effort didnt get exactly beated. Result: gained nothing in the end. I hope KOS is taking note of this. I guess you guys are either "nothing" or are no longer part of the coalition. Maybe you didn't get the memo? I know you were holding out for coalition support, but it doesn't sound like it is coming. Sounds awfully familiar to me... They came first for E.R.A, and I didn't speak up because I wasn't in E.R.A. Then they came for the U.C.C, and I didn't speak up because I wasn't in the U.C.C. Then they came for KoS, and I didn't speak up because I wasn't in KoS. Then they came for -V-, and I didn't speak up because I wasn't in -V-. Then they came for me, and by that time no one was left to speak up.
Plazmalord Soban Amarr Hounds Of War Knights Of the Southerncross	Posted - 2006.10.23 22:47:00 - [54] Chowdown i tried to talk to you to find out what this was about but your too small a man to talk to someone directly instea du listen to rumors. So im gonna let u know right now what our intentions are Depsite the fact taht you failed to provide any support to KOS after the countless of times our fleet came to save your eggs and fight your battles. This action of declaring a war on an ally who is trying to regroup shows the rest of the communty what your truely about. Your just now realising your losing the war and now u are looking to blame other and call us traitors... lol we faught for you and with you for HOW MANY MONTHS ? then when we got 4 large grups coming our way you turn and run ? war dec us ? lol KOS accepted a NAP with RA to move its stuff out of wicked because if were not gonan get support from you and -V- you tell us exactly why it is we should burn ? you want to burn a bridge with an ally that has done nuthing but kiss your butt faught with you on many fronts. so stop being a chowder head chowdown u really need to rethink what it is your doin right here.
Light Darkness Seraphin Technologies Veritas Immortalis	Posted - 2006.10.23 22:54:00 - [55] Edited by: Light Darkness on 23/10/2006 22:56:37 Originally by: Plazmalord Soban Chowdown i tried to talk to you to find out what this was about but your too small a man to talk to someone directly instea du listen to rumors. So im gonna let u know right now what our intentions are Depsite the fact taht you failed to provide any support to KOS after the countless of times our fleet came to save your eggs and fight your battles. This action of declaring a war on an ally who is trying to regroup shows the rest of the communty what your truely about. Your just now realising your losing the war and now u are looking to blame other and call us traitors... lol we faught for you and with you for HOW MANY MONTHS ? then when we got 4 large grups coming our way you turn and run ? war dec us ? lol KOS accepted a NAP with RA to move its stuff out of wicked because if were not gonan get support from you and -V- you tell us exactly why it is we should burn ? you want to burn a bridge with an ally that has done nuthing but kiss your butt faught with you on many fronts. so stop being a chowder head chowdown u really need to rethink what it is your doin right here. Not 100% correct. RA/GOON engaged already Q-GQ and i (-V-) got no infos. To cry in the leadership channel isnt the right way to ask for help. Why we have Mail systems in EvE? IF Demo or any KOS leader send a mail to me or -V- Directors then we was always open to help you guys. But in this point ask your KOS leader what they did wrong. They decided your ways and they dont asked for help in -V-. And iam not jesus where i can see whats going on in KOS LV or CHMP if i come online and dont have any mails. /LD -V-eritas Immortalis Originally by: nync we fisrt time saw -v-members ctrl+qing to save their ships,we started to think how to pay attention of eve community
Beyond Horizon UA Industry Red Alliance	Posted - 2006.10.23 22:55:00 - [56] what is "T H E K E Y!" ? =/ - BH
Aldari Verve Black Omega Security The OSS	Posted - 2006.10.23 22:56:00 - [57] Originally by: Dortock This is exactly why the Coalition will not beat RA. You guys bicker all over the place and considering past Coalition members speaking here, LV treats their allies like sh*t. Sorry to see BOS having to go through two bad alliance experiences Thanks for the sympathy but the thing that makes BOS great is we neither want nor give sympathy : ). We keep on keepin on. The thing about the coalition is all it really is is just an ideal. The isdeal that RA is the enemy and everyone else is the good guys. The reason they bicker is while some are fighting their ass off others are npcing, mining and enjoying the luxories of the regions that they hold. The thing they don't realize is that they won't hold those rejoins for long with GS and RA against them. I don't care if you just did break 3000 member mark. LV have their own space which spans 3-4 regions and have 3+ outposts which make several billion a day. Why should they care about others. They played the rest of the coalition and used them as a "buffer" you got played, i got played it's Lv's board. The thing is they are slowing loosing allies and will soon find themselves alone with odds stacked against them. Then we will see who gets smacked when asking for help while in the heat of combat.
Chowdown Gallente Shinra Lotka Volterra	Posted - 2006.10.23 22:56:00 - [58] Originally by: Plazmalord Soban so stop being a chowder head chowdown See what I have to work with. kk fella, burn baby burn.
Espen Shinra Lotka Volterra	Posted - 2006.10.23 22:56:00 - [59] Edited by: Espen on 23/10/2006 22:57:21 whooo whhe haaa edited: what i wrote made no sense anymore ppl post way too fast in this thread!
Mutant UA Industry Red Alliance	Posted - 2006.10.23 22:57:00 - [60] This is the true shinra policy: using their allies in self interest at first and after they are of no interest to them - setting them up and accusing in all the sh1t.
grappler Chosen Path	Posted - 2006.10.23 22:57:00 - [61] Originally by: petergriffen What Chosen Path did was hand over Tribute to D2 by turning off sovereignty claims on all POS towers, without letting ERA know about it. They had hoped to join D2 after doing so, but they were denied admittance. ERA and KOS left their respective regions because when RA began POS spamming Cache, LV and -V- and the "coalition" didn't bother to come help them when they needed it, even though both had come to help the rest on numerous occasions. That's what happened, if I remember correctly. you dont
Aldari Verve Black Omega Security The OSS	Posted - 2006.10.23 22:59:00 - [62] Originally by: Mutant This is the true shinra policy: using their allies in self interest at first and after they are of no interest to them - setting them up and accusing in all the sh1t. QFT
Pepperami Art of War Cult of War	Posted - 2006.10.23 22:59:00 - [63] Originally by: Major Dim RA loves LD! It's impossible to not love LD [EVE TASK BAR?]
meafy Caldari Reikoku Band of Brothers	Posted - 2006.10.23 22:59:00 - [64] all of the people that seem to know about what happened with CHSN in tribute funny i don't remember any of your names?? perhaps you were in the corp when i was, or not perhaps??? i suggest you don't post about things you now nothing about. Also what does it have to do with this thread???
Major Dim Caldari Russian SOBR Red Alliance	Posted - 2006.10.23 22:59:00 - [65] Originally by: Aldari Verve Originally by: Dortock This is exactly why the Coalition will not beat RA. You guys bicker all over the place and considering past Coalition members speaking here, LV treats their allies like sh*t. Sorry to see BOS having to go through two bad alliance experiences Thanks for the sympathy but the thing that makes BOS great is we neither want nor give sympathy : ). We keep on keepin on. The thing about the coalition is all it really is is just an ideal. The isdeal that RA is the enemy and everyone else is the good guys. The reason they bicker is while some are fighting their ass off others are npcing, mining and enjoying the luxories of the regions that they hold. The thing they don't realize is that they won't hold those rejoins for long with GS and RA against them. I don't care if you just did break 3000 member mark. LV have their own space which spans 3-4 regions and have 3+ outposts which make several billion a day. Why should they care about others. They played the rest of the coalition and used them as a "buffer" you got played, i got played it's Lv's board. The thing is they are slowing loosing allies and will soon find themselves alone with odds stacked against them. Then we will see who gets smacked when asking for help while in the heat of combat. Sooo does that mean we are the bad guys? Oh noes...i am gonna whine to my mama!
Major Dim Caldari Russian SOBR Red Alliance	Posted - 2006.10.23 23:00:00 - [66] Originally by: Pepperami Originally by: Major Dim RA loves LD! It's impossible to not love LD At least someone who gets me right! and no that statement had nothing to do with isk selling!
Chowdown Gallente Shinra Lotka Volterra	Posted - 2006.10.23 23:01:00 - [67] Originally by: Aldari Verve Originally by: Mutant This is the true shinra policy: using their allies in self interest at first and after they are of no interest to them - setting them up and accusing in all the sh1t. QFT You owe me some POS
Dungar Loghoth Caldari Black Omega Security The OSS	Posted - 2006.10.23 23:02:00 - [68] Originally by: Light Darkness Not 100% correct. RA/GOON engaged already Q-GQ and i (-V-) got no infos. To cry in the leadership channel isnt the right way to ask for help. Why we have Mail systems in EvE? IF Demo or any KOS leader send a mail to me or -V- Directors then we was always open to help you guys. /LD Is this like how you never heard ERA ask for help in Cache? Or UCC asking for help in Cache? You need to get some new excuses man, these are starting to get a bit stale. How -V- can sit here and think the exact same thing that's happening to KOS isn't going to happen to them in a month is beyond me.
Nebba Kenezzer Minmatar Shinra Lotka Volterra	Posted - 2006.10.23 23:02:00 - [69] Originally by: Mutant This is the true shinra policy: using their allies in self interest at first and after they are of no interest to them - setting them up and accusing in all the sh1t. There are no accusations about this, we have undisputable evidence from numerous members in KOS who felt setting the coalition -10 wasn't really kosher. Nebba - The Vocal Majority
Aldari Verve Black Omega Security The OSS	Posted - 2006.10.23 23:02:00 - [70] Originally by: Major Dim Originally by: Aldari Verve Originally by: Dortock This is exactly why the Coalition will not beat RA. You guys bicker all over the place and considering past Coalition members speaking here, LV treats their allies like sh*t. Sorry to see BOS having to go through two bad alliance experiences Thanks for the sympathy but the thing that makes BOS great is we neither want nor give sympathy : ). We keep on keepin on. The thing about the coalition is all it really is is just an ideal. The isdeal that RA is the enemy and everyone else is the good guys. The reason they bicker is while some are fighting their ass off others are npcing, mining and enjoying the luxories of the regions that they hold. The thing they don't realize is that they won't hold those rejoins for long with GS and RA against them. I don't care if you just did break 3000 member mark. LV have their own space which spans 3-4 regions and have 3+ outposts which make several billion a day. Why should they care about others. They played the rest of the coalition and used them as a "buffer" you got played, i got played it's Lv's board. The thing is they are slowing loosing allies and will soon find themselves alone with odds stacked against them. Then we will see who gets smacked when asking for help while in the heat of combat. Sooo does that mean we are the bad guys? Oh noes...i am gonna whine to my mama! Get a different translator and read what the message actually says.
KIATolon Black Omega Security The OSS	Posted - 2006.10.23 23:02:00 - [71] You owe me a support fleet in P7-.
crice Caldari CRICE Corporation Lotka Volterra	Posted - 2006.10.23 23:03:00 - [72] Originally by: meafy all of the people that seem to know about what happened with CHSN in tribute funny i don't remember any of your names?? perhaps you were in the corp when i was, or not perhaps??? i suggest you don't post about things you now nothing about. Also what does it have to do with this thread??? CHSN are good peoples
petergriffen Amarr ISS Navy Task Force Interstellar Starbase Syndicate	Posted - 2006.10.23 23:03:00 - [73] Originally by: meafy all of the people that seem to know about what happened with CHSN in tribute funny i don't remember any of your names?? perhaps you were in the corp when i was, or not perhaps??? i suggest you don't post about things you now nothing about. Also what does it have to do with this thread??? Because KOS was accused of pulling a "Chosen Path" on LV and Coalition, the same way that ERA did. I was merely explaining the difference between what Chosen did is in no way similar to the terms in which ERA and KOS left the Coalition.
NATMav F.R.E.E. Explorer EVE Animal Control	Posted - 2006.10.23 23:04:00 - [74] Originally by: petergriffen If you were "sold out" it's because you didn't deserve any better. You let RA come into allied space and do whatever they pleased. When it was your little piece of space down in Curse, we came and helped every time, as did KOS. When calls for help went ignored from your end, what did you expect? I thought ISS didn't participate in alliance wars? FREEE is Recruiting
Major Dim Caldari Russian SOBR Red Alliance	Posted - 2006.10.23 23:05:00 - [75] Edited by: Major Dim on 23/10/2006 23:04:48 Originally by: Aldari Verve Originally by: Major Dim Originally by: Aldari Verve Originally by: Dortock This is exactly why the Coalition will not beat RA. You guys bicker all over the place and considering past Coalition members speaking here, LV treats their allies like sh*t. Sorry to see BOS having to go through two bad alliance experiences Thanks for the sympathy but the thing that makes BOS great is we neither want nor give sympathy : ). We keep on keepin on. The thing about the coalition is all it really is is just an ideal. The isdeal that RA is the enemy and everyone else is the good guys. The reason they bicker is while some are fighting their ass off others are npcing, mining and enjoying the luxories of the regions that they hold. The thing they don't realize is that they won't hold those rejoins for long with GS and RA against them. I don't care if you just did break 3000 member mark. LV have their own space which spans 3-4 regions and have 3+ outposts which make several billion a day. Why should they care about others. They played the rest of the coalition and used them as a "buffer" you got played, i got played it's Lv's board. The thing is they are slowing loosing allies and will soon find themselves alone with odds stacked against them. Then we will see who gets smacked when asking for help while in the heat of combat. Sooo does that mean we are the bad guys? Oh noes...i am gonna whine to my mama! Get a different translator and read what the message actually says. Sorry my translator got broken when moving from the eyes to my vodka crappled mind :)
KIATolon Black Omega Security The OSS	Posted - 2006.10.23 23:06:00 - [76] Originally by: crice CHSN are good peoples actually they are. which is why, when a couple of the leadership screwed everyone over in tribute, they didn't say anything.
Chowdown Gallente Shinra Lotka Volterra	Posted - 2006.10.23 23:06:00 - [77] Originally by: KIATolon You owe me a support fleet in P7-. Post on your main.
c0rn1 Seraphin Technologies Veritas Immortalis	Posted - 2006.10.23 23:06:00 - [78] Lemme tell you something. I was in KOS, when KOS got WC. I was there, 20h/7d to fuel POSs, fight RED, put up more POSs, Coordinating the fight with LV, CHIMP and V to get them come up to Q-GQ when the RA dreads attacked KOS POSs and we killed 10/11 of their dreads. I was fighting hard for WC. I fought so hard that I was brutally exhausted after the month I was there. So I moved myself into SERA because I felt it was about time for a change to pickup new power and new goals. KOS came into the coalition at that time as POS powerhouse. We ALL agreed at that time that the systems have to be at least 50% coverage with large POSs or at least Large and the Rest small in any system because we knew of RA POS spamming ability. Now what. -V- has covered 100% of all moons in all their system and KOS, the POS powerhouse fell in 48h because they were too lazy to fuel and put up the POSs. And you know why I - even it is kinda hard to see KOS lose what I fought for as well- can say goodbye. Because KOS didn't want to OWN the region. If leadership would'Ve included all corps in the decisions and let corps' have their station too then it would be a much tighter alliance than it is. KOS is a lose pile of individual corps who don't care if they lose something because basically they never really fought for it. Tell me a 2400 ppl alliance who isn't able to maintain 100 POSs? -V- has 5 stations with 100 POSs covered and we can easily handle it. But due to the fact that the leadership doesn't want a long term relationship with the corps in their own alliance, they decided that TheT has to have all stations. It'd have been no problem as long as the responsible leadership for this would've taken care of coverage of the moons as well, but they forced the people in KOS to cover the stations only owned by the leadership. Yesterday LD asked demo in his face if he has NAPed RAGOON and he lied into his face trying to disperse any upcoming problems he might have if he'd be honest. He could've had it another way and the coalition would've helped him but I never got a message of him the past days that he needs help. and I think he knows very well how to get that into my mailbox. But he rather came to the conclusion that he really Fecked up with his POS stuff and just hand the region over without even a fight, not being honest with his allies and doing stuff behind our back. These are all the consequences he has to carry on his back. I am sorry for the friends I have in KOS. Demo used to be a frienda mine too but this is hilarious and even I was like WTF. It makes sense now. It makes sense that basically all the good friends I once had in KOS moved out with their corps because of this incompetent and greedy leadership. I admire the rest that's still in it that you still are able to deal with it. And sorry shadoo, it has to come that way. You loyalty speaks mountains and I'd rather have you on my side of the fence than on the other side but I guess that's not going to happen anytime soon. Regards c0rn1 x x x x x x x x x x x x x x -V- Diplomat -V- High Council Member Life's a waste of time ...
petergriffen Amarr ISS Navy Task Force Interstellar Starbase Syndicate	Posted - 2006.10.23 23:06:00 - [79] Originally by: NATMav Originally by: petergriffen If you were "sold out" it's because you didn't deserve any better. You let RA come into allied space and do whatever they pleased. When it was your little piece of space down in Curse, we came and helped every time, as did KOS. When calls for help went ignored from your end, what did you expect? I thought ISS didn't participate in alliance wars? I was in Millennium Corp when this all went down.
Major Dim Caldari Russian SOBR Red Alliance	Posted - 2006.10.23 23:07:00 - [80] Originally by: NATMav Originally by: petergriffen If you were "sold out" it's because you didn't deserve any better. You let RA come into allied space and do whatever they pleased. When it was your little piece of space down in Curse, we came and helped every time, as did KOS. When calls for help went ignored from your end, what did you expect? I thought ISS didn't participate in alliance wars? shhhh man - u break their shield of neutrality....
Aldari Verve Black Omega Security The OSS	Posted - 2006.10.23 23:07:00 - [81] Originally by: Major Dim Edited by: Major Dim on 23/10/2006 23:04:48 Originally by: Aldari Verve Originally by: Major Dim Originally by: Aldari Verve Originally by: Dortock This is exactly why the Coalition will not beat RA. You guys bicker all over the place and considering past Coalition members speaking here, LV treats their allies like sh*t. Sorry to see BOS having to go through two bad alliance experiences Thanks for the sympathy but the thing that makes BOS great is we neither want nor give sympathy : ). We keep on keepin on. The thing about the coalition is all it really is is just an ideal. The isdeal that RA is the enemy and everyone else is the good guys. The reason they bicker is while some are fighting their ass off others are npcing, mining and enjoying the luxories of the regions that they hold. The thing they don't realize is that they won't hold those rejoins for long with GS and RA against them. I don't care if you just did break 3000 member mark. LV have their own space which spans 3-4 regions and have 3+ outposts which make several billion a day. Why should they care about others. They played the rest of the coalition and used them as a "buffer" you got played, i got played it's Lv's board. The thing is they are slowing loosing allies and will soon find themselves alone with odds stacked against them. Then we will see who gets smacked when asking for help while in the heat of combat. Sooo does that mean we are the bad guys? Oh noes...i am gonna whine to my mama! Get a different translator and read what the message actually says. Sorry my translator got broken when moving from the eyes to my vodka crappled mind :) MMMMMM...Vodka
Skrypt Shinra Lotka Volterra	Posted - 2006.10.23 23:08:00 - [82] T H E K E Y! ___________
petergriffen Amarr ISS Navy Task Force Interstellar Starbase Syndicate	Posted - 2006.10.23 23:09:00 - [83] Originally by: KIATolon Originally by: crice CHSN are good peoples actually they are. which is why, when a couple of the leadership screwed everyone over in tribute, they didn't say anything. Agreed. Flew with a number of those guys in my early months. Quite fun guys to fly with :)
NATMav F.R.E.E. Explorer EVE Animal Control	Posted - 2006.10.23 23:10:00 - [84] Originally by: petergriffen Originally by: NATMav Originally by: petergriffen If you were "sold out" it's because you didn't deserve any better. You let RA come into allied space and do whatever they pleased. When it was your little piece of space down in Curse, we came and helped every time, as did KOS. When calls for help went ignored from your end, what did you expect? I thought ISS didn't participate in alliance wars? I was in Millennium Corp when this all went down. Thanks for clearing that up. FREEE is Recruiting
Wither Through Amarr Grief Tactics Amalgamated	Posted - 2006.10.23 23:10:00 - [85] T H E K E Y Translation: Timid Horsebutts Eliminate KOS's Evil Yellow-Bellies
Shuriken Ertai Black Lance Dusk and Dawn	Posted - 2006.10.23 23:10:00 - [86] Watch Out Chimp! Your are Next! Since "the coalition" cant beat RA, they fight between themselves rolf
Major Dim Caldari Russian SOBR Red Alliance	Posted - 2006.10.23 23:11:00 - [87] Edited by: Major Dim on 23/10/2006 23:11:36 Originally by: Aldari Verve MMMMMM...Vodka Actually i wait for the day all V and LV and the rest of Eve comes to russia and i can invite them to my house and bring some awesome russian girls there and we will go to the russian sauna and drink so much vodka that ur doctor will tell u, if u keep on livin 3 month u must be uber ^)
Ediz Daxx FinFleet Lotka Volterra	Posted - 2006.10.23 23:13:00 - [88] Originally by: Major Dim Edited by: Major Dim on 23/10/2006 23:11:36 Originally by: Aldari Verve MMMMMM...Vodka Actually i wait for the day all V and LV and the rest of Eve comes to russia and i can invite them to my house and bring some awesome russian girls there and we will go to the russian sauna and drink so much vodka that ur doctor will tell u, if u keep on livin 3 month u must be uber ^) Thats alot!
c0rn1 Seraphin Technologies Veritas Immortalis	Posted - 2006.10.23 23:14:00 - [89] Originally by: Major Dim Edited by: Major Dim on 23/10/2006 23:11:36 Originally by: Aldari Verve MMMMMM...Vodka Actually i wait for the day all V and LV and the rest of Eve comes to russia and i can invite them to my house and bring some awesome russian girls there and we will go to the russian sauna and drink so much vodka that ur doctor will tell u, if u keep on livin 3 month u must be uber ^) russian parties ... love them :D x x x x x x x x x x x x x x -V- Diplomat -V- High Council Member Life's a waste of time ...
Mirasta Caldari Enigma Enterprises Veritas Immortalis	Posted - 2006.10.23 23:21:00 - [90] Edited by: Mirasta on 23/10/2006 23:23:44 Originally by: Major Dim Originally by: NATMav Originally by: petergriffen If you were "sold out" it's because you didn't deserve any better. You let RA come into allied space and do whatever they pleased. When it was your little piece of space down in Curse, we came and helped every time, as did KOS. When calls for help went ignored from your end, what did you expect? I thought ISS didn't participate in alliance wars? shhhh man - u break their shield of neutrality.... It gives them +2 neutrality per Level And yes we all love LD, i would suicide my last bantam if he asked me to(in his sechxy voice ofcouse) Originally by: Major Dim Actually i wait for the day all V and LV and the rest of Eve comes to russia and i can invite them to my house and bring some awesome russian girls there and we will go to the russian sauna and drink so much vodka that ur doctor will tell u, if u keep on livin 3 month u must be uber ^) Cya in about 20 mins. Of couse, You are now reading my sig.
Turiya Flesharrower Beagle Corp R0ADKILL	Posted - 2006.10.23 23:21:00 - [91] Originally by: Major Dim Edited by: Major Dim on 23/10/2006 23:11:36 Originally by: Aldari Verve MMMMMM...Vodka Actually i wait for the day all V and LV and the rest of Eve comes to russia and i can invite them to my house and bring some awesome russian girls there and we will go to the russian sauna and drink so much vodka that ur doctor will tell u, if u keep on livin 3 month u must be uber ^) Russian Vodka ftw. Unfortunately, the Russian girls only stay good looking for a limited amount of time. Once they get their claws in, they let themselves go; I've seen it with my own eyes and it's not pleasant. -----
Beyond Horizon UA Industry Red Alliance	Posted - 2006.10.23 23:21:00 - [92] Edited by: Beyond Horizon on 23/10/2006 23:21:16 got it ;P - BH
Ediz Daxx FinFleet Lotka Volterra	Posted - 2006.10.23 23:22:00 - [93] Originally by: Al Haquis LV never ceases to amaze me. With love from Al Haquis Is that good or bad?
Al Haquis Minmatar Reikoku Band of Brothers	Posted - 2006.10.23 23:22:00 - [94] LV never ceases to amaze me. With love from Al Haquis
Cadman Weyland ISS Navy Task Force	Posted - 2006.10.23 23:22:00 - [95] Edited by: Cadman Weyland on 23/10/2006 23:24:32 Originally by: KIATolon You owe me a support fleet in P7-. Amen Lo BOS btw
Beyond Horizon UA Industry Red Alliance	Posted - 2006.10.23 23:23:00 - [96] Originally by: Turiya Flesharrower Originally by: Major Dim Edited by: Major Dim on 23/10/2006 23:11:36 Originally by: Aldari Verve MMMMMM...Vodka Actually i wait for the day all V and LV and the rest of Eve comes to russia and i can invite them to my house and bring some awesome russian girls there and we will go to the russian sauna and drink so much vodka that ur doctor will tell u, if u keep on livin 3 month u must be uber ^) Russian Vodka ftw. Unfortunately, the Russian girls only stay good looking for a limited amount of time. Once they get their claws in, they let themselves go; I've seen it with my own eyes and it's not pleasant. Girls are different =/ - BH
Cilppiz FinFleet Lotka Volterra	Posted - 2006.10.23 23:23:00 - [97] Maybe KOS should have asked their own members to do something before blaming rest of coalition for doing nothing. While you were ôfightingö for Q-GQ , 5j out your own alliance mates were still NPCÆing like theres no tomorrow, funny though, that ended up to be true. Oh and M A N B O O B S una salus victis nullam sperare salutem
The Enslaver Shinra Lotka Volterra	Posted - 2006.10.23 23:28:00 - [98] lpl lol owdnded ownd --------
Velios M. Corp Lotka Volterra	Posted - 2006.10.23 23:29:00 - [99] Edited by: Velios on 23/10/2006 23:30:44 To save themselves, KOS have Napped RA / GS and agreed to set -V- and -LV- to hostile. This comes as no great surprise to me to be honest. KOS has some good people in it's ranks and they should not all be tainted by a decision taken by their inept leaders, leaders who like those in ERA, who when given the tools to succeed on their own merits (it's not LV's job to provide ALL your men on the ground) still manage to fail to rouse the support from within their own ranks. Support that is vital if these alliances are worthy of even living in 0.0. Lets not forget that it was V, LV and Chimp dreads that carved out ALL of the space that KOS inhabited. Give a man a fish and he will eat for a day,... must we teach your men how to fish as well? As for the despicable ex ERA / OSS haters... I remember speaking to SUAS as RA were spamming Cache... You simply couldn't muster more than 40 people in your alliance chat. No matter what LV did at that point you were doomed, LV can help you only so much, Like KOS we gave you massive financial support but ultimately it was your OWN men that let you down. You should never have come out here if you thought we would have to spoon feed you like babies. And to Demogod of KOS, your alliance was once one of the biggest in eve, you had been given ALL your space on a silver platter, hell we even gave you with large towers when you needed them... At some point you have to actually hold your hand up take your share of the blame for this sorry state of affairs. Safe flight to all of you. M.Corp BPC Packages
Hudsonn Minmatar FireTech Imperium Alliance	Posted - 2006.10.23 23:29:00 - [100] Well i didn't see that one happening. Veeeery interesting. Good luck KOS on your future travelles. ------------- Minmatar is hard mode___
murder one Gallente CRICE Corporation Lotka Volterra	Posted - 2006.10.23 23:35:00 - [101] This is just the culmination of all of KOS's incompetence and useless leadership. KOS has been a liability from the beginning. If anything this just means more easy kills for myself and my corpmates. Good riddance. Because I said so...
Shadoo The Taining corp Knights Of the Southerncross	Posted - 2006.10.23 23:43:00 - [102] Originally by: c0rn1 And sorry shadoo, it has to come that way. You loyalty speaks mountains and I'd rather have you on my side of the fence than on the other side but I guess that's not going to happen anytime soon. Regards c0rn1 Don't worry c0rn, I take it this is part of the alliance game and I have never had problems havign a friendly pint with an ingame enemy before and I sure as hell won't start know. Much respect -V- and LV, hope we can still muster up some kind of a fight for you guys at least. As someone said on forums a while back that stucked to my mind -- "it's better to Burn and Die than Never to Burn at all". I will enjoy burning where we stood, thou the folks holding the torch aren't the ones I ever thought they would be .
Cadman Weyland ISS Navy Task Force	Posted - 2006.10.23 23:51:00 - [103] Originally by: Velios As for the despicable ex ERA / OSS haters.... Charming. I have no grudge against LV, ERA simply couldnt hold vs reds pos spamming. Had we had some more support then killing the pos would have been easier. MLM came out of Cache better off than it went in, but it was the only one to do so, even so it has since died. No one fancied getting up at 4am to fight reds pos attacks, simple as that (note ERA was 99.9% EU tz) Anyways best of luck to LV (bar CSHN) and KOS, i feel for those poor buggers in KOS screwed over by their leaders (and those mens pay masters in reds). Note though im iss now i was in MLM and ERA so just ignore my ticker for 5 mins
Dominixa Shadows of the Dead Xelas Alliance	Posted - 2006.10.23 23:51:00 - [104] Interesting developments indeed. KOS always seemed to be the Coalitions red-headed step-child.
Zigadenus M. Corp Lotka Volterra	Posted - 2006.10.23 23:56:00 - [105] Originally by: Velios Edited by: Velios on 23/10/2006 23:30:44 Give a man a fish and he will eat for a day,... must we teach your men how to fish as well? We did do this even, but apparently the fish aren't biting the way they used to...or something. I'm sad for a lot of guys in KOS - you were cool to fly with and put in the good work when you could. Too bad you are sucked down by all of this. Things would be better had you not agreed to make your coalition mates negative. Giving up is one thing, this is another entirely. What did you think we would do? Heh, anyways here's to some fun fights. Will be a nice change from the usual shlep. ________________________________________________ Kyle > Why do you have to ask me all these complicated questions? Zerodragon > Dude, IÆm trying to save your setup from complete suckage.
Cmd Woodlouse Solidline Enterprise Kith of Venal	Posted - 2006.10.23 23:58:00 - [106] Originally by: Shuriken Ertai Since "the coalition" cant beat RA, they fight between themselves rolf You are in the alliance that experienced the art of "warfare" like RA did to LV, V and co. You should know better and infact do yourself, your corp and your alliance a favor and stop posting useless crap like this. -------------------------------- Spain ftw!
TraxusIV	Posted - 2006.10.23 23:59:00 - [107] Alt post removed - post with your main! If this is your main, see the rules for details on how to stop your posts getting removed - Serathu ([email protected])
Chowdown Gallente Shinra Lotka Volterra	Posted - 2006.10.24 00:03:00 - [108] Edited by: Chowdown on 24/10/2006 00:03:13 Originally by: Cmd Woodlouse Originally by: Shuriken Ertai Since "the coalition" cant beat RA, they fight between themselves rolf You are in the alliance that experienced the art of "warfare" like RA did to LV, V and co. You should know better and infact do yourself, your corp and your alliance a favor and stop posting useless crap like this. Thank you, respect
Joycalyn REUNI0N Red Alliance	Posted - 2006.10.24 00:04:00 - [109] Originally by: Zoron Edited by: Zoron on 23/10/2006 22:31:19 KOS are KOS LOL no ROFL LROOFJUFJSHUJHAOOOOOOL QFT Have you recieved your smack immunization? Call 555-STFU
RealLiveGirl Gallente University of Caille	Posted - 2006.10.24 00:05:00 - [110] [18:25] daveshraff: the speed at which we attacked KOS upon news they are now -10 was legendary [18:25] daveshraff: I've never seen gangs form that fast before [18:26] QwertyAsher: dude you guys seriously **** them [18:26] daveshraff: eh, you should have seen our private alliance forums [18:26] daveshraff: people have wanted to them for ages now [18:26] daveshraff: very little respect for KOS [18:26] QwertyAsher: I know they didn't get any *** help from you guys in their home system [18:26] QwertyAsher: then why were you allied with them [18:27] daveshraff: meat shield [18:27] daveshraff: lol [18:27] daveshraff: the only real reason the "SC" ever existed was a hate for RA [18:27] daveshraff: it wasn't a love for one another [18:27] daveshraff: it isn't like the Great Northern Circlejerk with D2's feudal structure [18:27] daveshraff: eh [18:27] QwertyAsher: So you ** ERA and KOS like CHSN always pretended ERA **** them? [18:27] daveshraff: eh, something like that [18:27] daveshraff: I think [18:28] daveshraff: Veritas is the only 'coalition' member that LV seems to care for [18:28] daveshraff: mostly because Veritas holds some key systems closer to home [18:28] daveshraff: or so it seems.
TraxusIV Black Omega Security The OSS	Posted - 2006.10.24 00:12:00 - [111] Originally by: c0rn1 Originally by: RealLiveGirl [18:25] daveshraff: the speed at which we attacked KOS upon news they are now -10 was legendary [18:25] daveshraff: I've never seen gangs form that fast before [18:26] QwertyAsher: dude you guys seriously **** them [18:26] daveshraff: eh, you should have seen our private alliance forums [18:26] daveshraff: people have wanted to them for ages now [18:26] daveshraff: very little respect for KOS [18:26] QwertyAsher: I know they didn't get any *** help from you guys in their home system [18:26] QwertyAsher: then why were you allied with them [18:27] daveshraff: meat shield [18:27] daveshraff: lol [18:27] daveshraff: the only real reason the "SC" ever existed was a hate for RA [18:27] daveshraff: it wasn't a love for one another [18:27] daveshraff: it isn't like the Great Northern Circlejerk with D2's feudal structure [18:27] daveshraff: eh [18:27] QwertyAsher: So you ** ERA and KOS like CHSN always pretended ERA **** them? [18:27] daveshraff: eh, something like that [18:27] daveshraff: I think [18:28] daveshraff: Veritas is the only 'coalition' member that LV seems to care for [18:28] daveshraff: mostly because Veritas holds some key systems closer to home [18:28] daveshraff: or so it seems. "No Character can be found with 'daveshraff' in the beginning its name." Go kid yourself, RealLiveNuthead Thats a conversation held on aim smart guy.
Plutoinum German Cyberdome Corp Veritas Immortalis	Posted - 2006.10.24 00:12:00 - [112] Didn't see that one coming. Remember Shadoos pro-coalition post from another thread just a few days ago and the KOS guys, who helped out in Scalding Pass less than 2 weeks ago. I regret the current development for you guys, was nice to have you on the same side for the time being. So thanks for that. I wish you guys, who've put much effort into this thing and regret the development too, good luck for the future, although we are hostile to eachother currently. And yes, much respect to you Shadoo for your words.
RealLiveGirl Gallente University of Caille	Posted - 2006.10.24 00:14:00 - [113] DaveShraff is Armois Delgato from FATAL REVELATIONS. It'll be funny to post proof when you deny it though, so I'll wait for that first
c0rn1 Seraphin Technologies Veritas Immortalis	Posted - 2006.10.24 00:14:00 - [114] Originally by: TraxusIV Originally by: c0rn1 Originally by: RealLiveGirl [18:25] daveshraff: the speed at which we attacked KOS upon news they are now -10 was legendary [18:25] daveshraff: I've never seen gangs form that fast before [18:26] QwertyAsher: dude you guys seriously **** them [18:26] daveshraff: eh, you should have seen our private alliance forums [18:26] daveshraff: people have wanted to them for ages now [18:26] daveshraff: very little respect for KOS [18:26] QwertyAsher: I know they didn't get any *** help from you guys in their home system [18:26] QwertyAsher: then why were you allied with them [18:27] daveshraff: meat shield [18:27] daveshraff: lol [18:27] daveshraff: the only real reason the "SC" ever existed was a hate for RA [18:27] daveshraff: it wasn't a love for one another [18:27] daveshraff: it isn't like the Great Northern Circlejerk with D2's feudal structure [18:27] daveshraff: eh [18:27] QwertyAsher: So you ** ERA and KOS like CHSN always pretended ERA **** them? [18:27] daveshraff: eh, something like that [18:27] daveshraff: I think [18:28] daveshraff: Veritas is the only 'coalition' member that LV seems to care for [18:28] daveshraff: mostly because Veritas holds some key systems closer to home [18:28] daveshraff: or so it seems. "No Character can be found with 'daveshraff' in the beginning its name." Go kid yourself, RealLiveNuthead Thats a conversation held on aim smart guy. Well, probably a conversation between s/o else, huh? Where's the proof it is in intern coalition chat then? So he could've spared this one. x x x x x x x x x x x x x x -V- Diplomat -V- High Council Member Life's a waste of time ...
c0rn1 Seraphin Technologies Veritas Immortalis	Posted - 2006.10.24 00:16:00 - [115] Originally by: RealLiveGirl DaveShraff is Armois Delgato from FATAL REVELATIONS. It'll be funny to post proof when you deny it though, so I'll wait for that first Actually I can't because like you might see my alliance ticker is -V-. So an "L" missing :( x x x x x x x x x x x x x x -V- Diplomat -V- High Council Member Life's a waste of time ...
Evengard Solar Dragons Red Alliance	Posted - 2006.10.24 00:19:00 - [116] Guyz, I just love you... And everybody just start to see true face of LV. First they use you and getiing all they can get to theyr profit. After you cannot give them what they want they just throw you out. Using others like living shield. Who's gonna be next?? Place your bets gentelmens. ___________________ Recon and Intercept
LiquidSteele Dragons Of Redemption Veritas Immortalis	Posted - 2006.10.24 00:20:00 - [117] Originally by: Cilppiz Maybe KOS should have asked their own members to do something before blaming rest of coalition for doing nothing. While you were ôfightingö for Q-GQ , 5j out your own alliance mates were still NPCÆing like theres no tomorrow, funny though, that ended up to be true. Oh and M A N B O O B S spot on LiquidSteele "Let Them Eat War..."
KIATolon Black Omega Security The OSS	Posted - 2006.10.24 00:20:00 - [118] I bet chimp
Corey Grim FinFleet Lotka Volterra	Posted - 2006.10.24 00:22:00 - [119] Originally by: c0rn1 Originally by: RealLiveGirl useless bull**** "No Character can be found with 'daveshraff' in the beginning its name." Go kid yourself, RealLiveNuthead PWND as for situation the main reason everyone should understand u do not play around ur own games behind friends back: the result is allways same: destruction. My latest Video: Hysteria
Velios M. Corp Lotka Volterra	Posted - 2006.10.24 00:24:00 - [120] What... and you are telling me that RA are not just using Goon as a purely meatshield? Whispering promises in their ear of all the nice stations they can have in a few weeks time. RA does Goon a bigger disservice that any enemy could do. And that goes for all the other alliances that have been promissed the earth by RA. You will see in a few months time how the reality of the situation actually is. Watch as you fight while RA sit in the complex all through the day. You guys are gonna get burned! Don't say I didn't warn you. M.Corp BPC Packages
KIATolon Black Omega Security The OSS	Posted - 2006.10.24 00:26:00 - [121] Just like we saw your 10,000 man coalition was TOO BUSY to help us in cache.
Emeline Cabernet Amarr KVA Noble Inc.	Posted - 2006.10.24 00:28:00 - [122] i thought goons loved to suecide?
c0rn1 Seraphin Technologies Veritas Immortalis	Posted - 2006.10.24 00:30:00 - [123] Edited by: c0rn1 on 24/10/2006 00:30:20 Originally by: KIATolon Just like we saw your 10,000 man coalition was TOO BUSY to help us in cache. We are not here to teach you fishing. BoS came into the coalition as self-sufficient good guys and whatnot. You got cache served on a plate and stupid enough not to set stron time into your PRIME time and losing your 11 dreads while attacking a POS in cache where we could've used your support in f2a. after that we could've taken care of your issues. Don't blame others when you're stupid enough to not follow the agenda by covering 100% of the moons in your system. We didn't put the agenda up for nothing since we KNEW that RA is a POS spamming force. x x x x x x x x x x x x x x -V- Diplomat -V- High Council Member Life's a waste of time ...
Shadoo The Taining corp Knights Of the Southerncross	Posted - 2006.10.24 00:36:00 - [124] Let's be clear -- Q-GQ was lost because of KOS, not because of LV or V. I am sure they would have backed up us again, would yielding dreads in Creek be feasible with current state of the hamsters. All I can say is we did our best and this time with the morale and isk, it just wasn't enough. However -- the information the defected CEOs who talked to you after a meeting held just minutes after negotiations was either 1) wrong on purpose 2) misunderstood. At no point did I ever hear that LV and V was going to be -10 in the meeting I and the CEOs were part of. Yes, there were heated words about LV's lack of assistance with the current situation, which was quickly in chat channel corrected by me to say there's nothing LV CAN do to help with current game mechanics. But as far as my sh*tty dialup currently allowed me to listen, at NO point was -10 tabled. Yes, we should have talked to you first. But the offer afaik was extended and delivered literally minutes before the CEOs meeting took place. You may or may not choose to believe me on this, what's done is done and there's no point crying over spilled milk. -- Good fight tonight, makes a difference trying to fight with overview filled with blue (20min change on standings ftl). Thank you Nebba for making it very clear to me who to shoot at by those lovely yellow boxes among the sea of blue. Does this mean I can have red candles too?
Velios M. Corp Lotka Volterra	Posted - 2006.10.24 00:37:00 - [125] c0rn, thats all this guy has left.. the blame game. I've just been listening to his self pitty on msn for the last hour, it's shocking just how helpless he paints his then alliance to have been. YES ERA did enter as a strong partner, but low morale quickly took hold and people simply stopped showing up for him. Of course this is ALL LV's fault. He now says that because we didnt help him ENOUGH in Cache, that offsets the 20 Large Fitted tower debt that ERA / OSS / BOS whoever we want to call it actually owe LV but never paid. The ISK isnt an issue for us though, the real issue is the amount of blaming going on. I tell you one thing. If LV ever go down we wont be blaming people around us. It will be LV's fault if LV fail.
Armois Delgato FATAL REVELATIONS Lotka Volterra	Posted - 2006.10.24 00:40:00 - [126] What the hell are you talking about that isn't my AIM.
Jags Minmatar M. Corp Lotka Volterra	Posted - 2006.10.24 00:41:00 - [127] Originally by: Major Dim Edited by: Major Dim on 23/10/2006 23:11:36 Originally by: Aldari Verve MMMMMM...Vodka Actually i wait for the day all V and LV and the rest of Eve comes to russia and i can invite them to my house and bring some awesome russian girls there and we will go to the russian sauna and drink so much vodka that ur doctor will tell u, if u keep on livin 3 month u must be uber ^) When Scotland play in Russia I will take you up on that offer - me and about 5000 others so you better have plenty vodka and nice Russian ladies waiting on us. If they are as nice as in Minsk and Vilnius than that will do us hairy arsed Scots quite nicely
Nebba Kenezzer Minmatar Shinra Lotka Volterra	Posted - 2006.10.24 00:42:00 - [128] Originally by: Shadoo Let's be clear -- Q-GQ was lost because of KOS, not because of LV or V. I am sure they would have backed up us again, would yielding dreads in Creek be feasible with current state of the hamsters. All I can say is we did our best and this time with the morale and isk, it just wasn't enough. However -- the information the defected CEOs who talked to you after a meeting held just minutes after negotiations was either 1) wrong on purpose 2) misunderstood. At no point did I ever hear that LV and V was going to be -10 in the meeting I and the CEOs were part of. Yes, there were heated words about LV's lack of assistance with the current situation, which was quickly in chat channel corrected by me to say there's nothing LV CAN do to help with current game mechanics. But as far as my shtty dialup currently allowed me to listen, at NO point was -10 tabled. Yes, we should have talked to you first. But the offer afaik was extended and delivered literally minutes before the CEOs meeting took place. You may or may not choose to believe me on this, what's done is done and there's no point crying over spilled milk. -- Good fight tonight, makes a difference trying to fight with overview filled with blue (20min change on standings ftl). Thank you Nebba for making it very clear to me who to shoot at by those lovely yellow boxes among the sea of blue. Does this mean I can have red candles too? Hast and Omeega have taken my red candles HOSTAGE! The key to their return is Max Teranous finally viewing the "Anchorman" cinematic experience. Nebba* - The Vocal Majority
Evil Spyer	Posted - 2006.10.24 00:43:00 - [129] True colors of the KOS alliance chat [ 2006.10.23 23:46:01 ] Shadoo > Folks -- PLEASE do not smack LV and V [ 2006.10.23 23:46:18 ] Shadoo > let's just enjoy shooting them [ 2006.10.23 23:46:25 ] Tazerz2 > amen [ 2006.10.23 23:46:40 ] Tazerz2 > and that's the KOS prayer [ 2006.10.23 23:51:45 ] Tarhess > I'll try to take solace in the fact that I can shoot shinra people now [ 2006.10.23 23:53:03 ] Necro EvilZombie > **** it ill ally with RAGOON to crush lv and v [ 2006.10.24 00:01:32 ] Ferfax > we are allied with goon and ra right now =p [ 2006.10.24 00:02:00 ] Midori Kumiyo > well we are napped, not quite the same thing [ 2006.10.24 00:02:47 ] Tazerz2 > we are almost unofficially allied
pershphanie Destructive Influence Band of Brothers	Posted - 2006.10.24 00:43:00 - [130] Originally by: grappler Originally by: petergriffen What Chosen Path did was hand over Tribute to D2 by turning off sovereignty claims on all POS towers, without letting ERA know about it. They had hoped to join D2 after doing so, but they were denied admittance. ERA and KOS left their respective regions because when RA began POS spamming Cache, LV and -V- and the "coalition" didn't bother to come help them when they needed it, even though both had come to help the rest on numerous occasions. That's what happened, if I remember correctly. you dont /signed People really need to STFU about what happend in tribute with CHSN(especially former members of ERA). Things were more complicated then people make them out to be. When you have an allied relationship with someone where you help them and they dont help you then as an alliance you need to make decisions that are in your own best interest reguardless of the interests of those so called "allies". When you are in an allied relationship and one party just takes but never gives there is no shame in acting in your own best interest. The real shame is continuing to let that relationship allow you to be taken advantage of. disclaimer: im not sure if all that applies to the situation with KOS, however if the same thing is happening to them that happend to CHSN then good for KOS. Originally by: CYVOK If you surrender now we will consider letting you guys keep Fountain. -CYVOK-
Johannes Buckbeak Minmatar PoliCratton Technologies	Posted - 2006.10.24 00:46:00 - [131] Originally by: Zigadenus Things would be better had you not agreed to make your coalition mates negative. Giving up is one thing, this is another entirely. What did you think we would do? [/quote Short reality check: -V- and LV wardecced their "coalition mates", not the other way around. And "we attacked you because you were about to attack us" - yeah, right, where have I heard that before? We got tired of being the nut in the *****ers, your meat shield, with no support, so we wanted to get out from under. Still, it is nice to see that you can actually find WC on the map, seemed you had forgotten the way there recently. At least this way we can go out fighting - see you in my sights, hopefully. PS. Looks like CCP's obscenity filter has been set a little high
Velios M. Corp Lotka Volterra	Posted - 2006.10.24 00:47:00 - [132] Well justice has been delivered swiftly tonight anyway, look at the LV killboard.
Nebuchadnezzar I Grettistak Veritas Immortalis	Posted - 2006.10.24 00:53:00 - [133] Edited by: Nebuchadnezzar I on 24/10/2006 00:53:49 NAPing RaGoon was just a silly silly silly thing to do. And all this "we wont come to help KOS¦" is stupid. I know alot of regular members in -V- not understanding why we didnt go to your aid in WC - i guess today we found out, because you were making a deal with the enemy we always have been fighting...shame on those of you who agree with your leaders in this decision.
Taka Caldari Quam Singulari Lotka Volterra	Posted - 2006.10.24 00:53:00 - [134] Originally by: Evengard Using others like living shield. Just like RA is using goons as a living shield? funny isnt it -------------------- My Sig Got Podded!!
Mechanical Death Minmatar Chosen Path Lotka Volterra	Posted - 2006.10.24 00:55:00 - [135] Originally by: pershphanie Originally by: grappler Originally by: petergriffen What Chosen Path did was hand over Tribute to D2 by turning off sovereignty claims on all POS towers, without letting ERA know about it. They had hoped to join D2 after doing so, but they were denied admittance. ERA and KOS left their respective regions because when RA began POS spamming Cache, LV and -V- and the "coalition" didn't bother to come help them when they needed it, even though both had come to help the rest on numerous occasions. That's what happened, if I remember correctly. you dont /signed People really need to STFU about what happend in tribute with CHSN(especially former members of ERA). Things were more complicated then people make them out to be. When you have an allied relationship with someone where you help them and they dont help you then as an alliance you need to make decisions that are in your own best interest reguardless of the interests of those so called "allies". When you are in an allied relationship and one party just takes but never gives there is no shame in acting in your own best interest. The real shame is continuing to let that relationship allow you to be taken advantage of. disclaimer: im not sure if all that applies to the situation with KOS, however if the same thing is happening to them that happend to CHSN then good for KOS. Well put and thank you. Respect. MD Chosen Path [CHSN]
Cadman Weyland ISS Navy Task Force	Posted - 2006.10.24 01:03:00 - [136] Edited by: Cadman Weyland on 24/10/2006 01:03:57 Originally by: c0rn1 losing your 11 dreads while attacking a POS in cache where we could've used your support in f2a. Id like to point out that we lost those Dreads a good 7/10 days b4 the F2A ops and MLM had their 3 losses replaced within 5 days. We were in F2A, both with a Dread(s) and a support fleet, infact i still have a Cyclone with gang mods and cyno gen parked in the F2A station. Who owns it now btw, id like to sell the ship I had to go afk from game for a week and forgot bout her. Any ways that was ages ago now. I feel sorry for the grunts in KOS.
HankMurphy Pelennor Swarm Knights Of the Southerncross	Posted - 2006.10.24 01:12:00 - [137] Originally by: Evil Spyer True colors of the KOS alliance chat [ 2006.10.23 23:46:01 ] Shadoo > Folks -- PLEASE do not smack LV and V [ 2006.10.23 23:46:18 ] Shadoo > let's just enjoy shooting them [ 2006.10.23 23:46:25 ] Tazerz2 > amen [ 2006.10.23 23:46:40 ] Tazerz2 > and that's the KOS prayer [ 2006.10.23 23:51:45 ] Tarhess > I'll try to take solace in the fact that I can shoot shinra people now [ 2006.10.23 23:53:03 ] Necro EvilZombie > **** it ill ally with RAGOON to crush lv and v [ 2006.10.24 00:01:32 ] Ferfax > we are allied with goon and ra right now =p [ 2006.10.24 00:02:00 ] Midori Kumiyo > well we are napped, not quite the same thing [ 2006.10.24 00:02:47 ] Tazerz2 > we are almost unofficially allied yeah, it is pretty lame move pasting alliance chat notice how these words where spoken AFTER these are timestamped 2006.10.23 22:16 Lotka Volterra has declared war on Knights Of the Southerncross. After 24 hours fighting can legally occur between those involved. 2006.10.23 22:18 Veritas Immortalis has declared war on Knights Of the Southerncross. After 24 hours fighting can legally occur between those involved.
Karoth Tyu FATAL REVELATIONS Lotka Volterra	Posted - 2006.10.24 01:12:00 - [138] KOS members are cute like adorable little puppies. Can I keep a few, Uncle Chowdown? Pwetty pweeze?
Nebba Kenezzer Minmatar Shinra Lotka Volterra	Posted - 2006.10.24 01:13:00 - [139] Originally by: HankMurphy again, isn't it interesting how quickly ppl turn against you? Even more interesting--folks who think it's OK to have their cake and eat it, too. The facts have been made quite clear from many folks in KOS. On top of that, intel from other sources hostile to the coalition listing KOS as "Future Friendlies" Nebba - The Vocal Majority
Skape Gote Caldari M. Corp Lotka Volterra	Posted - 2006.10.24 01:14:00 - [140] Originally by: Evengard Guyz, I just love you... And everybody just start to see true face of LV. After you cannot give them what they want they just throw you out. Who's gonna be next?? Place your bets gentelmens. I bet Goons ---------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Guess I picked the wrong week to quit sniffing glue......
Bulletooth Tony Gallente Center for Advanced Studies	Posted - 2006.10.24 01:16:00 - [141] Originally by: Dortock Yeah very easy for you to say that while ERA, KOS, UCC have been buffering RA for you all this time. Now that they are all gone due to your own lack of support for them, we will see how you call for help now that the front line is on your doorstep. You say that ERA should have taken care of itself, yet you know your entire Coalition isn't faring well against RA and one alliance is supposed to fend the whole of RA off? You know what RA was and is and you still have the face to say that ERA/UCC/KOS should have been fine on their own.. I mean honestly, didn't you guys seriously want to remove RA from the game? lol at the fanbois
mistress velator velator pie-rat	Posted - 2006.10.24 01:16:00 - [142] People are assuming that KOS are -10 because they NAP'd RA/GS. This is a half-truth. The real "crime" is way more sinister than this but ofc it cannot be revealed for your forum perusal habits. KOS members that think that should start asking questions way up the ladder.
Dortock The Scarlet Harmonic	Posted - 2006.10.24 01:17:00 - [143] lol at person about to have his post removed King Tinfoil Hatter
Karoth Tyu FATAL REVELATIONS Lotka Volterra	Posted - 2006.10.24 01:19:00 - [144] Originally by: mistress velator People are assuming that KOS are -10 because they NAP'd RA/GS. This is a half-truth. The real "crime" is way more sinister than this but ofc it cannot be revealed for your forum perusal habits. KOS members that think that should start asking questions way up the ladder. cue X-Files theme
Synapse Archae Amarr Solarflare Heavy Industries	Posted - 2006.10.24 01:19:00 - [145] For comedic purposes, here's a paraphrase of what I'm hearing. KOS: You never came to help, what did you expect? ERA: Its true, they NEVER come to help, I hates them! LV: We didn't help you, because we're telepathic and knew you would run because we didnt help you, because we're telepathic and knew you would run because.... V: We still hate you for for running when we didn't show. BoB/ISS/OSS: Hey, CHOWN did this once...that sucked. CHOWN: Hey, screwing over allies is COMPLICATED. We sold you out for reasons too deep for you to understand. I'm not claiming I know anything about these conflicts, but I can say that this string of "You sold me out!" "Yes I sold you out ... but youre still a traitor!" is pretty amusing on the outside. I'm not saying I know much about this conflict. --------------------------------------------- http://oldforums.eveonline.com/?a=topic&threadID=349194&page=1Redo Fleets[/ur
Peri Stark Gallente Blue Labs Knights Of the Southerncross	Posted - 2006.10.24 01:19:00 - [146] You come down and start shooting your friends, of course your going to get a lot of kills. What else could we do but make a deal with RA to let us move out. We could not count on you to help us do it, you already have your hands full. And now someone lies to you and you increase your enemies when there was no need. I will feel sad for LV later after I try to save my own hide. ================================================ Just because your paranoid doesn't mean they're not out to get you!
Bulletooth Tony Gallente Center for Advanced Studies	Posted - 2006.10.24 01:19:00 - [147] Originally by: Dortock lol at person about to have his post removed Post with your main
Dortock The Scarlet Harmonic	Posted - 2006.10.24 01:21:00 - [148] Edited by: Dortock on 24/10/2006 01:22:16 Originally by: Bulletooth Tony Post with your main My main is Kyguard, look him up and you'll know why I'm not posting with him It's monkey's play to figure out who my main is anyway so figure it out. King Tinfoil Hatter
HankMurphy Pelennor Swarm Knights Of the Southerncross	Posted - 2006.10.24 01:23:00 - [149] Originally by: Nebba Kenezzer Originally by: HankMurphy again, isn't it interesting how quickly ppl turn against you? Even more interesting--folks who think it's OK to have their cake and eat it, too. The facts have been made quite clear from many folks in KOS. On top of that, intel from other sources hostile to the coalition listing KOS as "Future Friendlies" heh, well i am 'folks in KOS'. enlighten me to where we had plans to make you hostile? we got our asses kicked, time to step back, lick our wounds and get our footing. RA/goon decided to let us withdrawl. that means they made us blue intead of shooting us into oblivion while we ran how does this equal an 11th hour trechary while we lose a station? and what kinda silly rhetoric is?: Originally by: Nebba Kenezzer Even more interesting--folks who think it's OK to have their cake and eat it, too. that borders on not making sense... or atleast nothing to do w/ this conversation. you work for george bush or somethin? is having our cake and eating it too fighting for you, helping you not loose your outpost nest egg, helping defend 2 of your stations and all at great losses we were glad to give for the cause????? stop drinking the punch man until you figure out what they've been putting in it
Bulletooth Tony Gallente Center for Advanced Studies	Posted - 2006.10.24 01:23:00 - [150] Originally by: Dortock Edited by: Dortock on 24/10/2006 01:22:16 Originally by: Bulletooth Tony Post with your main My main is Kyguard, look him up and you'll know why I'm not posting with him It's monkey's play to figure out who my main is anyway so figure it out. A bit bitter about 3FA?
Dortock The Scarlet Harmonic	Posted - 2006.10.24 01:23:00 - [151] Originally by: Karoth Tyu cue X-Files theme This gave me a nice laugh haha King Tinfoil Hatter
Shadoo The Taining corp Knights Of the Southerncross	Posted - 2006.10.24 01:30:00 - [152] Originally by: HankMurphy stop drinking the punch man until you figure out what they've been putting in it Trust me, Nebba knows EXACTLY what he's putting in his punch and it's aaaaaalllll gravy man . Please sir, can I have some more?
Dortock The Scarlet Harmonic	Posted - 2006.10.24 01:33:00 - [153] Edited by: Dortock on 24/10/2006 01:33:29 Originally by: Bulletooth Tony A bit bitter about 3FA? Makes no sense but assuming at what you're getting at, I am posting what I feel and how LV has wronged its allies when it should have been thinking of the bigger picture and assisting its allies, the bigger picture being removing RA. I actually wish both LV and Goons good luck, but that won't prevent me from posting what I want or give criticism. There are enough fanbois around that cheer aimlessly King Tinfoil Hatter
Nebba Kenezzer Minmatar Shinra Lotka Volterra	Posted - 2006.10.24 01:34:00 - [154] Originally by: Shadoo Trust me, Nebba knows EXACTLY what he's putting in his punch and it's aaaaaalllll gravy man . Please sir, can I have some more? Yes you may. Hop on board the train of lovvvee now before it's too late. Nebba - The Vocal Majority
Raste Shinra Lotka Volterra	Posted - 2006.10.24 01:35:00 - [155] Originally by: Cadman Weyland Id like to point out that we lost those Dreads a good 7/10 days b4 the F2A ops... Think your timeline is off, I'm pretty sure I remember being in the F2A camp when that happened.
Jesabell Junes Amarr Quam Singulari Lotka Volterra	Posted - 2006.10.24 01:35:00 - [156] Originally by: HankMurphy stop drinking the punch man until you figure out what they've been putting in it I love how people think those kind of quotes makes their post look uber and believable, KOS are less than 15 jumps away whats to stop them coming to their freinds, living with us in Tenerifis etc defend the space properly instead of a half assed attempt, working with us on a larger scale to improve relationships (besides the war now obviously), and the stuff about getting away, you should of put some more thought into it and realised if you didnt have RA/Goon shooting you as you undocked your haulers, making a deal to get your haulers and stuff out of station would result in us shooting you as you undocked your haulers, if i were in your shoes id of picked the actual enemy shooting me instead of friends, because you know RA will just use you as a sheild like they do with goon http://www.freewebs.com/byrnes/sig.jpg Max dimensions for a signature are 400x120 pixels and 24,000 bytes in filesize. Please review the forum rules. -Eldo ([email protected])
HankMurphy Pelennor Swarm Knights Of the Southerncross	Posted - 2006.10.24 01:44:00 - [157] Edited by: HankMurphy on 24/10/2006 01:44:43 Originally by: Jesabell Junes I love how people think those kind of quotes makes their post look uber and believable wasn't really looking to be 'uber', but its more than believable, its a fact Originally by: Jesabell Junes making a deal to get your haulers and stuff out of station would result in us shooting you as you undocked your haulers, if i were in your shoes id of picked the actual enemy shooting me instead of friends, because you know RA will just use you as a sheild like they do with goon lol, funny. rule #375: if you lose a station, any deals offered by enemies to get your assets out WILL result in all your allies destroying you, no questions asked that was a meeting i must have missed. here i thought our allies we had been fighting with might be sympathetic to our loss and help us back to our feet. that whole 'working w/ us on a larger scale' thing. well, ya kinda burned that bridge.... and before you even talked w/ anyone. good form
Afonso Henriques Minmatar Low Grade Ore The SUdden Death Squad	Posted - 2006.10.24 01:45:00 - [158] Originally by: Bulletooth Tony Originally by: Dortock lol at person about to have his post removed Post with your main Oh the irony. You do know that npc corp memebrs aren't allowed to post here? I hope you enjoy your warning/ban.
Skape Gote Caldari M. Corp Lotka Volterra	Posted - 2006.10.24 01:49:00 - [159] Originally by: HankMurphy Edited by: HankMurphy on 24/10/2006 01:44:43 Originally by: Jesabell Junes I love how people think those kind of quotes makes their post look uber and believable wasn't really looking to be 'uber', but its more than believable, its a fact Originally by: Jesabell Junes making a deal to get your haulers and stuff out of station would result in us shooting you as you undocked your haulers, if i were in your shoes id of picked the actual enemy shooting me instead of friends, because you know RA will just use you as a sheild like they do with goon lol, funny. rule #375: if you lose a station, any deals offered by enemies to get your assets out WILL result in all your allies destroying you, no questions asked that was a meeting i must have missed. here i thought our allies we had been fighting with might be sympathetic to our loss and help us back to our feet. that whole 'working w/ us on a larger scale' thing. well, ya kinda burned that bridge.... and before you even talked w/ anyone. good form I think you should be saving your ire for you leaders, what did you expect to happen when you NAP your allies sworn enemies? Oh by the way a lot of KOS seem to be saying its a simple NAP and no big deal, if thats the case why did you do this behind our backs? Your leaders took a chance and it went wrong big time. ---------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Guess I picked the wrong week to quit sniffing glue......
Peri Stark Gallente Blue Labs Knights Of the Southerncross	Posted - 2006.10.24 01:50:00 - [160] At what point in our move to empire are they going to use us as shields? ================================================ Just because your paranoid doesn't mean they're not out to get you!
anister Black Omega Security The OSS	Posted - 2006.10.24 01:52:00 - [161] So much hate :'( ___
Knotta Slave	Posted - 2006.10.24 01:54:00 - [162] Edited by: Knotta Slave on 24/10/2006 01:54:44 rabble
Swor Sniggerdly	Posted - 2006.10.24 01:55:00 - [163] Oh sure we WTF PWN KOS for 4 months causing billions of isk in damage, multiple corps to flee back to empire, and desertion of dozens of members, Then RA hires the goons to crumble the fragile egg we've created and steals all the credit Bastads!! its too bad KOS never got any support from the rest of the coalition, they may have actually had a chance then lolzTwisted EvilYARRRR!! oh well, Hauler spawn Q-GQ!! YARRRR!!
Kaldaine Black Omega Security The OSS	Posted - 2006.10.24 01:59:00 - [164] Originally by: Velios What... and you are telling me that RA are not just using Goon as a purely meatshield? Whispering promises in their ear of all the nice stations they can have in a few weeks time. RA does Goon a bigger disservice that any enemy could do. And that goes for all the other alliances that have been promissed the earth by RA. You will see in a few months time how the reality of the situation actually is. Watch as you fight while RA sit in the complex all through the day. You guys are gonna get burned! Don't say I didn't warn you. Im pretty sure Goonfleet knows they are the meatshield in that relationship and Im betting that they are proud of that fact too. Goonfleet has the raw numbers while RA have the skill points and the expertise. How could you believe the situation was otherwise? The two pariahs of Eve have joined up and made one huge juggernaught of a leper. For some reason it appears its their enemies that are rotting while OHGOD/RED are getting along like 10 clowns in a car with a grizzly bear.
HankMurphy Pelennor Swarm Knights Of the Southerncross	Posted - 2006.10.24 02:00:00 - [165] Edited by: HankMurphy on 24/10/2006 02:01:10 Originally by: Skape Gote I think you should be saving your ire for you leaders, what did you expect to happen when you NAP your allies sworn enemies? Oh by the way a lot of KOS seem to be saying its a simple NAP and no big deal, if thats the case why did you do this behind our backs? Your leaders took a chance and it went wrong big time. well, this is tiring. i've said what i wanted to for the record. this will probly see 20 pages before it dies/locked. we didn't conspire to loose our station. we didn't conspire to attack you, ever. and how is withdrawing from our lost system DOING SOMETHING TO YOU!?!?!? dont play the victim, its not that Act of the play yet. But I'm sure you will walk a mile in our shoes before your done. I just hope you dont have to go out betrayed like us.
Dortock The Scarlet Harmonic	Posted - 2006.10.24 02:02:00 - [166] Heh looks like KOS got spanked by LV tonight, guess LV wasn't kidding King Tinfoil Hatter
Zaphod Jones Celtic Anarchy Black Reign Syndicate	Posted - 2006.10.24 02:16:00 - [167] does this mean we can get out ticker back now ?
Shadoo The Taining corp Knights Of the Southerncross	Posted - 2006.10.24 02:22:00 - [168] Originally by: Zaphod Jones does this mean we can get out ticker back now ? Where did "respect the dead" go? Do you want my stuff as well?
Skape Gote Caldari M. Corp Lotka Volterra	Posted - 2006.10.24 02:25:00 - [169] Originally by: HankMurphy Edited by: HankMurphy on 24/10/2006 02:01:10 we didn't conspire to loose our station. we didn't conspire to attack you, ever. and how is withdrawing from our lost system DOING SOMETHING TO YOU!?!?!? Simple question, if it was no big deal and there was chance of conspiration with RAGOON then why do all this behind our back? Why no talk with LV and V re an exit strategy? ---------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Guess I picked the wrong week to quit sniffing glue......
Shadoo The Taining corp Knights Of the Southerncross	Posted - 2006.10.24 02:41:00 - [170] Originally by: Skape Gote Edited by: Skape Gote on 24/10/2006 02:25:11 Originally by: HankMurphy Edited by: HankMurphy on 24/10/2006 02:01:10 we didn't conspire to loose our station. we didn't conspire to attack you, ever. and how is withdrawing from our lost system DOING SOMETHING TO YOU!?!?!? Simple question, if it was no big deal and there was no chance of conspiration with RAGOON then why do all this behind our back? Why no talk with LV and V re an exit strategy? AFAIK -- the deal to pull out is offered on Sunday evening (station was going to be lost within days), details finalized there and then, just moments before the "senate" meeting. Senate is told what the deal is so they have first say on the matter. In the meeting I recall that LV will be notified immidiately after the closed door discussion. 15 minutes after meeting, while still in after meeting convos, LV convoes KOS after a disgrundled CEO has gone and told a tale to LV. I do not know what went on in that discussion except that an alliance mail was sent out which very clearly says there will be no negative standings to LV. Perhaps when you eventually do discover the thruth, you'll war dec the parties that mislead and lied. So -- what's done is done, nothing to say but "have fun and good luck".
Swor Sniggerdly	Posted - 2006.10.24 02:41:00 - [171] Oh yeah, Can i have your stuff KOS?
archangel sean Gallente Pelennor Swarm Knights Of the Southerncross	Posted - 2006.10.24 02:53:00 - [172] HEHE swor!
Belian Caldari Shinra Lotka Volterra	Posted - 2006.10.24 03:00:00 - [173] Originally by: Shadoo In the meeting I recall that LV will be notified immidiately after the closed door discussion. There was never any notification. I look forward to more great fights before you folks move to Geminate. [13:13:44] <kingdave> im happy being a homo.
Plazmalord Soban Amarr Hounds Of War Knights Of the Southerncross	Posted - 2006.10.24 03:00:00 - [174] leave it to your best friends to believe a disgruntled corporation who is leaving our alliance.... we in no way no way whatsoever said we were goin to set LV or v to negative. We were all a bit upset because we asked for support to keep out the 4 large groups coming into q-gq. we were gona lose that station and then f-e we had no means by ourselves with that size of a force to hold onto it. in our relationship KOS provided logistical pos power while lv provided dreads to help in removing the towers. it was a good relationship. and still would have been because i remember at that meeting it was said we were planning on returning to help again after we have regrouped in empire. KOS fleets have sent out thousands of ships to help LV defend its space. for the life of me i cant think of a time when KOS ever got any support from this coaltion. we did ask for your help and u all were well aware of RAGOON advancement into WC. we share a channel in shockwave ... the general consensus is why help kos let em burn were always helping em. if they cant hold their space why help em.... The arrogance is asstounding .... Lets See just how well u hold up now with the KOS buffer out of the way. cause RA IMP and Goon is heading your way. and your running out of friends. And when i tried to clear this up and have a convo with you chowdown... u closed channel and left and then blocked me.... Thus why u got the nic Chowder head. You wanna blame this on demo ... saying he didnt ask for support ... that he lied to us and you when he said he had informed you we were taking a NAP to pull back... you guys got the fact way wrong on all fronts of this but I Dont mind tho.... its gonna be an interesting few months ahead.
Shadoo The Taining corp Knights Of the Southerncross	Posted - 2006.10.24 03:09:00 - [175] Let's not be bitter or rude my friend Plazmalord (thou I'm sure folks understand some hurt feelings here). o/
c0rn1 Seraphin Technologies Veritas Immortalis	Posted - 2006.10.24 03:15:00 - [176] Originally by: Plazmalord Soban leave it to your best friends to believe a disgruntled corporation who is leaving our alliance.... we in no way no way whatsoever said we were goin to set LV or v to negative. We were all a bit upset because we asked for support to keep out the 4 large groups coming into q-gq. we were gona lose that station and then f-e we had no means by ourselves with that size of a force to hold onto it. in our relationship KOS provided logistical pos power while lv provided dreads to help in removing the towers. it was a good relationship. and still would have been because i remember at that meeting it was said we were planning on returning to help again after we have regrouped in empire. KOS fleets have sent out thousands of ships to help LV defend its space. for the life of me i cant think of a time when KOS ever got any support from this coaltion. we did ask for your help and u all were well aware of RAGOON advancement into WC. we share a channel in shockwave ... the general consensus is why help kos let em burn were always helping em. if they cant hold their space why help em.... The arrogance is asstounding .... Lets See just how well u hold up now with the KOS buffer out of the way. cause RA IMP and Goon is heading your way. and your running out of friends. And when i tried to clear this up and have a convo with you chowdown... u closed channel and left and then blocked me.... Thus why u got the nic Chowder head. You wanna blame this on demo ... saying he didnt ask for support ... that he lied to us and you when he said he had informed you we were taking a NAP to pull back... you guys got the fact way wrong on all fronts of this but I Dont mind tho.... its gonna be an interesting few months ahead. Oh, Plazma, please, What is the damn problem of KOS to put up 15 Large Deathstar POS in Q-GQ and 8 small to keep all moons covered so we actually have time and a place to help ya. The POS setup was as sloppy as when I was in KOS and we agreed to the agenda that we have at least a 51% coverage of the moons by LARGE POSs. That was even a suggestion of demogod and he doesn't even follow his own ideas. What do you expect us to do when you made the misstake? shoveling billions of ISK again on RA POSs when the server is in a state where he can't handle POS warfare and we just waste our capital ships for nothing? Just admit that it was your goddamn misstake with frickin RA in front of your doorstep to ignore OWN setup rules. And you can also admit that you never talked to anyone of us that you had a strategical NAP with RaGoon so you could move your stuff out. You never wanted to fight and were sloppy on the POS side. Further neither LD nor I had ever a message of you in my mail nor an excited KOS HC member in our TS asking for support as I DID when we needed the help in Q-GQ and I was in KOS at that time. Open you eyes, we can't smell what's going on. As soon as we needed support of LV to defend whatever I got my ass into LV ts or convod appropriate persons to let them know what happened. And further demogod lied into the face of LD when he directly spoke to him about any sort of NAP he made with RA. You gave yourself up from the start you began being sloppy with POS work. You knew yourself neither KOS alone nor the coalition could remove the damn misstake you made. and instead of agreeing to you misstake you tried to use the backdoor which actually didn't work. Would demo have been honest with LD last night and approached LV about your needs I think things would stand different today. regards c0rn1 x x x x x x x x x x x x x x -V- Diplomat -V- High Council Member Life's a waste of time ...
Plazmalord Soban Amarr Hounds Of War Knights Of the Southerncross	Posted - 2006.10.24 03:30:00 - [177] corn i like you man always have .... but man things didnt go down that way.... ur assuming too much ... but i am not disagreeing with you that KOS failed to pos up q-gq properly im not saying that at all... Im saying when we realised it was compromised there was nuthing we could do. RA had put in hundreds of pilots in that system ready to log on at any moment. KOS failed and we in the senate know this. IS that any reason to abandon an ally in the face of a threat? U cant tell me LV and V didnt know about Ra and Goon Invading. As for asking for help officially Demogod takes care of that. You know me corn.... you know ive always got out there and faught no matter what the cost. The nap with goon ra was not a nap to go to war against LV and V ever... it was becuase in two days they will remove the station from our hands and begin work on F-e We decided to fall back to empire to figure out what our next step was goin to be. Never was it meant to leave the coaltion.
Shadoo The Taining corp Knights Of the Southerncross	Posted - 2006.10.24 03:31:00 - [178] Edited by: Shadoo on 24/10/2006 03:34:31 Originally by: c0rn1 Just admit that it was your goddamn misstake with frickin RA in front of your doorstep to ignore OWN setup rules. And you can also admit that you never talked to anyone of us that you had a strategical NAP with RaGoon so you could move your stuff out. I set the record on this in the thread already. Originally by: c0rn1 You never wanted to fight and were sloppy on the POS side. Further neither LD nor I had ever a message of you in my mail nor an excited KOS HC member in our TS asking for support as I DID when we needed the help in Q-GQ and I was in KOS at that time. Actually, we knew what was coming because -V- FC who was in the joint FCs channel kept us informed. -V- even sent a quick fleet when RA+Goons started moving towards Creek to intercept, they got few straggler kills. There were few LV FCs in the same channel and the joined intel channel was spammed pretty well as well. Anyway, that's neither here or there. With 200 support, Nyx, several dreads and 2 Freighters @ 3AM EVE time -- everyone knew there was nothing to be done to prevent the POS anchoring. Or anything that could be done there after.
petergriffen Amarr ISS Navy Task Force Interstellar Starbase Syndicate	Posted - 2006.10.24 03:42:00 - [179] Edited by: petergriffen on 24/10/2006 03:43:03 Originally by: Synapse Archae For comedic purposes, here's a paraphrase of what I'm hearing. KOS: You never came to help, what did you expect? ERA: Its true, they NEVER come to help, I hates them! LV: We didn't help you, because we're telepathic and knew you would run because we didnt help you, because we're telepathic and knew you would run because.... V: We still hate you for for running when we didn't show. BoB/ISS/OSS: Hey, CHOWN did this once...that sucked. CHOWN: Hey, screwing over allies is COMPLICATED. We sold you out for reasons too deep for you to understand. I'm not claiming I know anything about these conflicts, but I can say that this string of "You sold me out!" "Yes I sold you out ... but youre still a traitor!" is pretty amusing on the outside. I'm not saying I know much about this conflict. Please be aware that my opinions are mine alone and not that of the ISS as a whole. I was a member of Millennium, an ERA corporation, during the whole sequence of events from Tribute down on through Cache and into Curse.
Sebo Darrens Lotka Volterra	Posted - 2006.10.24 03:52:00 - [180] Lead a man to fire and he'll be warm for the night Set a man on fire and he'll be warm the rest of his life good luck KOS
Light Darkness Seraphin Technologies Veritas Immortalis	Posted - 2006.10.24 04:01:00 - [181] Originally by: Plazmalord Soban U cant tell me LV and V didnt know about Ra and Goon Invading. As for asking for help officially Demogod takes care of that. KOS got also the Infos. Same how V and LV. One week before we all in the coalition got the same infos. For V = we prepared us for a invasion. Did KOS do that? Like Insmother. We all got warned and we got probs with RA in F2A but KOS dint secured N7. So Insmother failed to RA. Same now in WC. Originally by: Plazmalord Soban The nap with goon ra was not a nap to go to war against LV and V ever... it was becuase in two days they will remove the station from our hands and begin work on F-e We decided to fall back to empire to figure out what our next step was goin to be. Never was it meant to leave the coaltion. Special you (KOS) know how "deep" the war is and normaly you can count on our reaction. So you are able to see that before. If a "friend" from you work (NAP) your enemy. Then i will see how you react. Next problem was your leadership. We dont got any mails or infos from you. Like i told. Iam not jesus and i dont know whats happen in KOS. If V call for help or LV = we all send us mails or contact everyone personally over TS. KOS dint do that. Nobody send me or us a mail or contacted us on our TS. And ALWAYS you know me (-V-). We was open to help you guys IF i get infos. /LD -V-eritas Immortalis Originally by: nync we fisrt time saw -v-members ctrl+qing to save their ships,we started to think how to pay attention of eve community
Xiaodown Dragons Of Redemption Veritas Immortalis	Posted - 2006.10.24 04:11:00 - [182] Originally by: Shadoo Actually, we knew what was coming because -V- FC who was in the joint FCs channel kept us informed. -V- even sent a quick fleet when RA+Goons started moving towards Creek to intercept, they got few straggler kills. There were few LV FCs in the same channel and the joined intel channel was spammed pretty well as well. Much Respect, Shadoo. When I was in KOS, I had the honor of flying with you several times, and I mean it sincerely when I say I respect you. I have to back Shadoo up on this: http://whitehat.cs.vt.edu/~wdunn/kills.png Those are all from the night that RA/Goon invaded q-gq, and I was in one of those roving gangs. We killed IMP/RA/Goon stragglers, but there was no way we could have gotten into Q-GQ to help you guys, and whether anyone asked anyone else for help, looking back I'm sorry it went down as quickly as it did. ...I was in KOS for a little while. I think one of the major problems was just a lack of a feeling of ownership. As in, everyone was happy to be there, but no one felt like they belonged. I dunno, it was hard to nail down. So many people in KOS (myself included) were new characters, not knowing the history of the South. The other thing is that I never felt the same level of respect for RA that I get from corn1 and blue adept and of course, LightDarkness. -V- fights RA, we win some and we lose some, and we ***** and moan about game mechanics and logoffski, but at the end of the day, we'll always be first to say that we respect RA's ability. In KOS, I always felt it was kind of divided between "RA ARE NEWBS ROFLCOPERTS LOLERCAUST" and "oh god I hope they're not coming this way, DOCK UP and STAY SAFE!!!". Anyway, good luck getting your stuff out, I guess. Shadoo, if you're looking for a new home, give us a mail. You're an asset to whomever you are with. Now... let the wtfpwnage begin.
Xiaodown Dragons Of Redemption Veritas Immortalis	Posted - 2006.10.24 04:14:00 - [183] Originally by: Light Darkness Like i told. Iam not jesus and i dont know whats happen in KOS. I HEREBY NOMINATE LIGHTDARKNESS TO BE JESUS. 2nd? Motion carries. LightDarkness is now Jesus.
Ephemeron Crimson Crusaders Knights Of the Southerncross	Posted - 2006.10.24 04:16:00 - [184] I don't really know what other KOS people did, but I was no part of it. Are you sure that you want ME as your enemy? :-/
Chib Rampage Eternal	Posted - 2006.10.24 04:22:00 - [185] Originally by: Chowdown Originally by: Aldari Verve Originally by: Mutant This is the true shinra policy: using their allies in self interest at first and after they are of no interest to them - setting them up and accusing in all the sh1t. QFT You owe me some POS Originally by: KIATolon You owe me a support fleet in P7-. PWNED ROFLOMGHAHAHAHAHAHAHA its true, we showed up to help coalition fight RA and live in cache and in the end it was ERA saying thanks for the help boys but its not wnough and the coalition wont send crap, which they didnt but were happy to camp n-r with huge fleets 11 jumps or so away ERA pulled out leaving us with the choice of leaving and finding somewhere new or napping RA so we could actually build our new corp RA agree to NAP and specifically state were not required to be involved in their war anymore so we just sit and build, then we get the "your living in cache you must be RA now helping them" crap from LV they set us - V follow suit ofc and were now in the situation were in now, coalition splitting up 1 alliance leaving at a time soon its just gonna be chow and LD sitting in RYC or whereever fighting everyone by themselves ---------------------------------------------
Matrix Aran Legio Immortalis	Posted - 2006.10.24 04:53:00 - [186] to be honest I can't believe it took this long for KOS to fall. Probably one of the worse run aliances I've been in yet. ----
Zanarkand Gallente Enterprise Estonia Veritas Immortalis	Posted - 2006.10.24 05:34:00 - [187] Edited by: Zanarkand on 24/10/2006 05:34:28 TBH there is really only one morale to this story. Be competent in POS warfare or you die/leave/whine on forums.
BrotherGrim Custodes Valhallae Knights Of the Southerncross	Posted - 2006.10.24 05:36:00 - [188] Greetings, Pretty much right on the money. Here is the funny thing that I cannot understand. A RA mothership shows up in Q-G, a nice big prime target for the coalition... You would think that every resource would be made from the coalition to shoot it down. What KOS received from the coalition in support to kill the mothership was a 10 man V gang and a handfull (less than 10) of LV...... For the record, I was their that night for hours... I am seeing LV guys brag about the kills they got tonight... Are you kidding me. You are like 5 days too late... Brothergrim Originally by: Synapse Archae For comedic purposes, here's a paraphrase of what I'm hearing. KOS: You never came to help, what did you expect? ERA: Its true, they NEVER come to help, I hates them! LV: We didn't help you, because we're telepathic and knew you would run because we didnt help you, because we're telepathic and knew you would run because.... V: We still hate you for for running when we didn't show. BoB/ISS/OSS: Hey, CHOWN did this once...that sucked. CHOWN: Hey, screwing over allies is COMPLICATED. We sold you out for reasons too deep for you to understand. I'm not claiming I know anything about these conflicts, but I can say that this string of "You sold me out!" "Yes I sold you out ... but youre still a traitor!" is pretty amusing on the outside. I'm not saying I know much about this conflict.
putukas Enterprise Estonia Veritas Immortalis	Posted - 2006.10.24 05:48:00 - [189] if one is naped with your enemy and in your intel channels that means they are your enemies. period.
Beyond Horizon UA Industry Red Alliance	Posted - 2006.10.24 05:51:00 - [190] Originally by: Plutoinum Didn't see that one coming. Remember Shadoos pro-coalition post from another thread just a few days ago and the KOS guys, who helped out in Scalding Pass less than 2 weeks ago. I regret the current development for you guys, was nice to have you on the same side for the time being. So thanks for that. I wish you guys, who've put much effort into this thing and regret the development too, good luck for the future, although we are hostile to eachother currently. And yes, much respect to you Shadoo for your words. Respect. - BH
Mordrake MetaForge Knights Of the Southerncross	Posted - 2006.10.24 06:00:00 - [191] Well I can't attest to why exactly we were so unprepared in Q-GQ on the Moon coverage side of things.. and It was quite a shock when RED just walked in and was able to spam the heart of KOS space like that... it quite frankly blew me away and left me shaking my head. I can say for my corp we always made a point to be there in force for our fellow coallition members when the call went out... and I felt KOS was contributing allot to defensive actions against RA and their hangers on. I gladly laid my ship and clone on the line for V and LV ... and enjoyed all the battles with our enemy. KOS leadership informed us that V and LV were unable to come to our Aid ... and we all knew this meant we would be forced from the Creek... with Q-GQ falling we had the heart torn out of KOS and were kicked to the curb by RA. A brilliant bit of tactics on their part... and much respect for a brilliant bit of POS maneuvering. I also hold the leadership of KOS in high regard for their ability to see the only option open to help the general population of the Alliance save any great part of their assets lay in accepting RA's gracious offer of a cease fire to allow KOS to move out to empire. The leadership had also made grand plans and shared them with the Corp CEO's on a possible future for KOS... details of which I will not share, but I can assure you had no plans for setting any of our Allies to Red. To my fellow coallition mates who I now flee from while trying to save what assets I have not lost to this endevor... I wish you luck, and I will certainly enjoy seeing you in my overview in the future... be you Red or Blue. Much respect to you all as well. And as a last parting word on this topic from me... as stated by someone above "Hauler Spawn Q-GQ" : ] Wanders off to try and scrounge a cloak for his Badger II Okies Cya laters o/ "Arte et Marte"
Beyond Horizon UA Industry Red Alliance	Posted - 2006.10.24 06:01:00 - [192] I think the corps or alliances that were\are negotiating with LoLka and considered\considering having some space or living in 0.0 with LV, have changed their mind when reading through this thread :P Good going LoLka, good going chowDAUN. - BH
shivan Rampage Eternal	Posted - 2006.10.24 06:14:00 - [193] /me grabs some popcorn and starts reading from the start Looks like I'm not gonna be getting any sleep after all.
AKULA UrQuan Caldari STK Scientific Ascendant Frontier	Posted - 2006.10.24 06:19:00 - [194] I have been suddenly overcome with this intense feeling of dTja vuààà Originally by: Wrangler Win ME is more a some sort of virus than a OS..
fuze Gallente Chosen Path Lotka Volterra	Posted - 2006.10.24 06:23:00 - [195] Originally by: Mechanical Death Well put and thank you. Respect. /signed Same goes for the meafster.
pershphanie Destructive Influence Band of Brothers	Posted - 2006.10.24 06:30:00 - [196] Originally by: Ephemeron I don't really know what other KOS people did, but I was no part of it. Are you sure that you want ME as your enemy? :-/ uhoh. I sense pain in LV's future. probably the last person in eve id want to be hunted by. Originally by: CYVOK If you surrender now we will consider letting you guys keep Fountain. -CYVOK-
Seleene Body Count Inc. Mercenary Coalition	Posted - 2006.10.24 06:32:00 - [197] Edited by: Seleene on 24/10/2006 06:32:22 Originally by: Light Darkness I am not jesus and i dont know whats happen in KOS. I read through most of this thread, and the above comment is what I will remember most. >3 LD. - Movie: 9UY - Got Fighters?
Dragerest Omega Enterprises Dusk and Dawn	Posted - 2006.10.24 06:58:00 - [198] finally some good drama ________________________________________________________ For your tech 2 needs www.evetrust.com
Mi Lai Sanguine Legion Pirate Coalition	Posted - 2006.10.24 07:06:00 - [199] This kind of drama is what makes EVE such a great game .
Atlus Red Alliance	Posted - 2006.10.24 07:28:00 - [200] Edited by: Atlus on 24/10/2006 07:28:18 That is so predictable actually.. and as always lv's propaganda working in the way that this really unhonest doing was very honest and KOS deserved kos.. thats too common for shinra & company.. ps: I bet that -V- guys will be next in the Shinra's list.. just need to wait when they need no more V as the meat shield..
Mi Lai Sanguine Legion Pirate Coalition	Posted - 2006.10.24 07:33:00 - [201] Originally by: Atlus Edited by: Atlus on 24/10/2006 07:28:18 That is so predictable actually.. and as always lv's propaganda working in the way that this really unhonest doing was very honest and KOS deserved kos.. thats too common for shinra & company.. ps: I bet that -V- guys will be next in the Shinra's list.. just need to wait when they need no more V as the meat shield.. From what I understand by reading this forum, KOS got whooped and made a deal with the enemy to get their stuff out, without consulting their Allies first (correct me if I'm wrong). Regardless of wether this is the right thing to do, I can think it's only natural LV and V dont tolerate that, propaganda involved or not.
Major Tarsis Shinra Lotka Volterra	Posted - 2006.10.24 07:41:00 - [202] KOS had some good leadership and some good Corps within it however certain 'key' individuals hindered the entire Alliance. After having helped KOS personally in N7- and putting time in to help them after. I'm sure when N7- fell KOS leadership was informed to lock 'The Creek' up with LARGE towers on over 50% of the moons in the station systems. What was their leaderships decision on this?....Well small unfueled towers are not the best call to make. Some of the KOS 'leadership' tried and I give them credit for this (Shadoo Rhang and co). However guys you were fighting a losing battle as common sense and listening were not strong points for certain other individuals. I think KOS has been defeated the actions of a single person, and that person does not wear LV, V, RA, GooN or other tags but somewhere closer to home for KOS. To Shadoo and others GL for the future, you will need it as its not just a fight against your enemies you need to win. You 'leader' has played his cards in the name of KOS, consequences of these decisions are obvious. See you on the Battlefield T H E K E Y! MT My comments are purely in character and should not be considered a personal attack especially if taken out of context. - awaiting mods reply via email.
mr passie Minmatar Purgatorial Janitors Inc. Knights Of the Southerncross	Posted - 2006.10.24 07:59:00 - [203] Edited by: mr passie on 24/10/2006 08:01:09 My 50 cents: KOS did put in effort to fully secure wc but in the end failed miserably. That being said I can hardly claim that KOS really deserved to keep WC, it was an open invitation waiting to happen. What did surprise me was the lack of coalition support, the missing inbox mal excuse is crap, you guys are at war with RA. you know where their fleet is ==> go kill and have fun. Even after a week no one showed up. If the coalition was really dedicated to the cause and allies wc would've been a fun playground for this war, remember q-g isn't the only station. we could've held out for a long time. You guys claim you set us to negative because you weren't informed beforehand or asked opinion about a retreat plan afaik. I for one would've thought that all the help we gave you guys would at least give us enough benefit of doubt to actually inform about what's going on and give us some time to explain and leave in peace. The coalition (including KOS) has some good people in it, I salute to all of them and I'll keep my grudges for the most part, but I can't help feeling dissapointed about it all. ----------------------------------------------- I'm a reversed paranoid schizophrenic. I have voices in my head I just think I don't hear them
Ale Tricio M. Corp Lotka Volterra	Posted - 2006.10.24 08:14:00 - [204] Quote: AFAIK -- the deal to pull out is offered on Sunday evening (station was going to be lost within days), details finalized there and then, just moments before the "senate" meeting. Senate is told what the deal is so they have first say on the matter. In the meeting I recall that LV will be notified immidiately after the closed door discussion. Um Wrong!!! None of the Coalition partners were informed of anything and when we confronted your Illustrious LYING Leader this is what we got.Please note All Times are eve+2 [ 2006.10.22 23:38:57 ] Light Darkness > demo [ 2006.10.22 23:39:02 ] Light Darkness > why KOS leaving wicked? [ 2006.10.22 23:39:46 ] demogod > ??? [ 2006.10.22 23:42:02 ] demogod > I love to find out who is talking about me [ 2006.10.23 00:36:51 ] demogod > ??? [ 2006.10.23 00:38:15 ] Light Darkness > so demo [ 2006.10.23 00:38:22 ] Light Darkness > whats happen and why you NAPed RA? [ 2006.10.23 00:38:52 ] demogod > we did not nap with ra [ 2006.10.23 00:38:57 ] Light Darkness > sure? [ 2006.10.23 00:39:00 ] Light Darkness > i got other infos [ 2006.10.23 00:39:38 ] demogod > FIRST OFF I'M NOT NAPING WITH RA [ 2006.10.23 00:39:50 ] demogod > now with that said [ 2006.10.23 00:40:03 ] demogod > kos is going on a trip [ 2006.10.23 00:40:17 ] demogod > then coming back [ 2006.10.23 00:40:25 ] demogod > but going for cache [ 2006.10.23 00:41:12 ] demogod > and if ppl want to talk ** with out knowing whats going on then I cant help them [ 2006.10.23 00:41:45 ] demogod > all the bs and only 2 ppl no the plan [ 2006.10.23 00:42:14 ] Light Darkness > and who would create this ???? [ 2006.10.23 00:42:54 ] demogod > what [ 2006.10.23 00:43:00 ] demogod > the bs [ 2006.10.23 00:43:02 ] Light Darkness > ?? [ 2006.10.23 00:43:27 ] demogod > create what?? [ 2006.10.23 00:43:32 ] Light Darkness > i got from "more sides" the info that KOS NAPed RA for 2 weeks to can pull out of wicked. and now i ask you if its true [ 2006.10.23 00:44:01 ] demogod > Im fighting them are now [ 2006.10.23 00:44:15 ] Light Darkness > its true or not?!!? [ 2006.10.23 00:44:23 ] demogod > no** [ 2006.10.23 00:44:48 ] Light Darkness > and why you pull out of wicked? you know your systems are under attack [ 2006.10.23 00:44:54 ] demogod > we are sending a fleet to help smash [ 2006.10.23 00:45:04 ] Light Darkness > help smash`? And so it started. Our leaders subsequently stood up for KOS in several internal Alliance forum posts telling us that KOS had turned. but based on Demogod's words above they were rejected and assured that KOS would never do any such thing. Then when one of KOS's own internal corps came to uson Monday evening, Requesting passage becase they would not take the dishonerable backstabbing route that Demo was hiding from us, the truth was revealed in full. So now KOS I say you question YOUR leadership for the situation you are in as they most certainly have NOT done what they said they would to their "senate" members
Ale Tricio M. Corp Lotka Volterra	Posted - 2006.10.24 08:20:00 - [205] Also Side note for future reference Demo. Ranting away in a chat channel with 8 or more afk people is not a way of Requesting help. There are email systems in place and I'm sure you have our leaders msn details at worst. Respect to KOS's players. You have some awesome pvpers but your leaders are a bunch of ****s
Ephemeron Crimson Crusaders Knights Of the Southerncross	Posted - 2006.10.24 08:23:00 - [206] I just noticed something. LV and V declare war on KOS today because KOS made some deal with RA. Yet LV and V did not declare war on RA. Why is that? If RA is so bad that making any deal with them makes other KOS, why would you not fight the root of the problem - RA itself? It seems very hypocritical to me. Red Alliance has no empire wars - pathetic.
Omeega Rage and Terror Against ALL Authorities	Posted - 2006.10.24 08:23:00 - [207] VLV, It's a pretty bad mistake you've just done there. KOS fighted, and fighted well. (by this i mean in fleet engagements at 80kms without scramblers on them they managed to actualy align and warpout before dieing - wich is not a given thing for some Shinra pilots) And you sure have some balls talking about treachery. Chowdown > LD, we have two problems. First, RA doesn't read the eve-o.com forums and can't know how we wtfpwnbbq'em daily and because of that our reputation is begining to crumble (even old ERA members come and smack us on our posts! ) Light Darkness > I see young padawan - we need to do something about this. Let's find a aweakened ally and declare on him! We might have chances to get some kills (and we'll say on forums that they actualy fighted and didn't logoffski - god i'm so ebil). Then our troops morale will be boosted up. Chowdown > who to chose? let's go for KOS, I heard they were on their knees! Light Darkness > Okay let's chose for a random excuse : O H K E Y, treachery! Great, I love that one! Chowdown > Oh, wait, one more problem- Omeega might have found our secret plan! Nebba, get something going for Omeega. Nebba > aye, no problem Omeega luves meh! Hast-s-LV-alt > aye I'll talk to Omee ♥ Nebba > don't be stupid I still need babies Hast! ... Omeega > Nebb, Hast, thanks for the carrier you shouldn't have!!! Nebba > well the only condition in recieving this gift is that all your 5 accounts get perma banned from the eve-o forums. Omeega > W T H! I rather die!!! Hast > Nebba! I told you i should I have talked to him before you! ... to be continued. Don't speak english. F1,f2,f3...
Major Tarsis Shinra Lotka Volterra	Posted - 2006.10.24 08:26:00 - [208] Originally by: Ephemeron I just noticed something. LV and V declare war on KOS today because KOS made some deal with RA. Yet LV and V did not declare war on RA. Why is that? If RA is so bad that making any deal with them makes other KOS, why would you not fight the root of the problem - RA itself? It seems very hypocritical to me. Red Alliance has no empire wars - pathetic. I think you will find we have War Decced RA and co in Empire in the past. And for reasons best left off for now is was deemed not worth the isk. Can I ask on a side note what was the Official reason your 'senate' gave the KOS membership for NAPing RAGOONS? MT My comments are purely in character and should not be considered a personal attack especially if taken out of context. - awaiting mods reply via email.
Elwoood Blues White Wolves Defence league The OSS	Posted - 2006.10.24 08:31:00 - [209] All i can say is Have fun and @Velios better 40ppl in alliance chat who are willing to fight than 10.000 in coalation that have no time and are carebearing. nuff said.
Logi3 Sniggerdly	Posted - 2006.10.24 08:35:00 - [210] No supprise here really. With my spy in a key corp in KOS, it was always clear that the main problem was communication. People tried to get people to form a fleet/gang for defence, but most were either afk (or just being ignorant) mining or ratting... Oh or grassing other people up for mining/ratting. They always came to fight, yet there problem seem to be a lack of direction and communication. -----------------------------------------------
mr passie Minmatar Purgatorial Janitors Inc. Knights Of the Southerncross	Posted - 2006.10.24 08:42:00 - [211] Originally by: Major Tarsis Can I ask on a side note what was the Official reason your 'senate' gave the KOS membership for NAPing RAGOONS? After RA and Goons saw that the coalition abandoned us (and we fully realised we were NEVER going to keep WC without support) they allowed us to leave with our assets. In my opinion a much more honorable arrangement then the wardec from V/LV. There was absolutely NO condition that we would ever change sides if that is what you are hinting at. ----------------------------------------------- I'm a reversed paranoid schizophrenic. I have voices in my head I just think I don't hear them
Garia666 Amarr adeptus gattacus Lotka Volterra	Posted - 2006.10.24 08:47:00 - [212] Look guys **** happens .. Leaders make decisions as they think is best for them /( Alliance ). Things happend as they are. Just shoot eachother and be happy ->My Vids<-
Kriger Art of War Cult of War	Posted - 2006.10.24 08:51:00 - [213] Originally by: Omeega .. useless stuff.. just wondering.. dont u ever get tired of posting jibberish babble all the time? no wait.. dont answer that.. .:: Kriger's gfx Factory ::.
Light Darkness Seraphin Technologies Veritas Immortalis	Posted - 2006.10.24 08:55:00 - [214] Originally by: Omeega VLV, It's a pretty bad mistake you've just done there. KOS fighted, and fighted well. (by this i mean in fleet engagements at 80kms without scramblers on them they managed to actualy align and warpout before dieing - wich is not a given thing for some Shinra pilots) And you sure have some balls talking about treachery. Chowdown > LD, we have two problems. First, RA doesn't read the eve-o.com forums and can't know how we wtfpwnbbq'em daily and because of that our reputation is begining to crumble (even old ERA members come and smack us on our posts! ) Light Darkness > I see young padawan - we need to do something about this. Let's find a aweakened ally and declare on him! We might have chances to get some kills (and we'll say on forums that they actualy fighted and didn't logoffski - god i'm so ebil). Then our troops morale will be boosted up. Chowdown > who to chose? let's go for KOS, I heard they were on their knees! Light Darkness > Okay let's chose for a random excuse : O H K E Y, treachery! Great, I love that one! Chowdown > Oh, wait, one more problem- Omeega might have found our secret plan! Nebba, get something going for Omeega. Nebba > aye, no problem Omeega luves meh! Hast-s-LV-alt > aye I'll talk to Omee ♥ Nebba > don't be stupid I still need babies Hast! ... Omeega > Nebb, Hast, thanks for the carrier you shouldn't have!!! Nebba > well the only condition in recieving this gift is that all your 5 accounts get perma banned from the eve-o forums. Omeega > W T H! I rather die!!! Hast > Nebba! I told you i should I have talked to him before you! ... to be continued. ...still lub you to omeega /LD -V-eritas Immortalis Originally by: nync we fisrt time saw -v-members ctrl+qing to save their ships,we started to think how to pay attention of eve community
FrioBebe Rampage Eternal	Posted - 2006.10.24 08:55:00 - [215] Originally by: putukas if one is naped with your enemy and in your intel channels that means they are your enemies. period. We left your information channel out of respect. Orders were clear, to leave your coalition channel to prevent any suspicions and cause any thoghts of faul play. We as a corp had no intrest in the conflict consearing You and RA. Reason some might have popped in at a later time is cause of using different computers etc. There were at that time no information sharing with RA. I respect V and LV, and I wont ask for anything but mutual respect back. keep the fights clean, yes we love your 60 on 20 it makes us feel special :) And keep local clear as the sky. frio RAM is recruting
Zafon Caldari FATAL REVELATIONS Lotka Volterra	Posted - 2006.10.24 09:15:00 - [216] hhmmm, something doesn't add up here. KoS have to retreat from an area (because they have messed up POS, because the Coalition hasn't supported them enough, because RA are too good at what they do, whatever.....). In the abstract that's all fine and dandy, nasty brown stuff happens. There's two real options:- 1) KoS retreat from the field of conflict against RAGOON towards their allies (ie -V- and LV), thus helping to reinforce their allies at the same time as getting the chance to regroup. or 2) KoS retreat from the field of conflict towards Empire, away from their allies, at the behest of RAGOON, without telling their allies that they were withdrawing. Perhaps to regroup to come back out to the South. What was going through the minds of KoS leadership when they chose option 2? All I can say here is lovely piece of diplomatic intrigue on RAGOON's part. Divide and conquer still works wonders.... Zafon
Komolov Gallente REUNI0N Red Alliance	Posted - 2006.10.24 09:19:00 - [217] Edited by: Komolov on 24/10/2006 09:22:26 Originally by: Ephemeron I don't really know what other KOS people did, but I was no part of it. Are you sure that you want ME as your enemy? :-/ I want! I want! You're dropping nice loot. As one Xenobyte said: "Farm him. He's like a flying 10/10 plex" --------------------
Komolov Gallente REUNI0N Red Alliance	Posted - 2006.10.24 09:20:00 - [218] Edited by: Komolov on 24/10/2006 09:20:52 Errrrr --------------------
Major Tarsis Shinra Lotka Volterra	Posted - 2006.10.24 09:21:00 - [219] The only thing that puzzles me in all this is that I recieved intel that this was 100% going to happen 2 different sources before KOS even held their 'Senate' meeting of CEOs. MT My comments are purely in character and should not be considered a personal attack especially if taken out of context. - awaiting mods reply via email.
welsh wizard Celestial Apocalypse Insurgency	Posted - 2006.10.24 09:31:00 - [220] Edited by: welsh wizard on 24/10/2006 09:32:08 Originally by: Light Darkness ....Not 100% correct. RA/GOON engaged already Q-GQ and i (-V-) got no infos. To cry in the leadership channel isnt the right way to ask for help. Why we have Mail systems in EvE? IF Demo or any KOS leader send a mail to me or -V- Directors then we was always open to help you guys.... Who has seen the episode of futurama where Hermes has to requisition his groove back? Bureaucracy gone mad... Originally by: anonymous If you're being chased by a police dog, try not to go through a tunnel, then on to a little seesaw, then jump through a hoop of fire. They're trained for that.
Guderian Gallente Shinra Lotka Volterra	Posted - 2006.10.24 09:33:00 - [221] Once a great alliance leader said "there is always deniability". I guess that goes for KOS and the trick they tried to pull. Go join SMASH in Germinate, rebuild and come back and kill -V- and LV as you had planned before any of this happened. And RA, nice pull on the devide and conquer trick. Sadly you chose the weakest link. "Blessed is he, who walks through life in ignorance, 'cause he does not know the dangers that lies beyond."
mr passie Minmatar Purgatorial Janitors Inc. Knights Of the Southerncross	Posted - 2006.10.24 09:40:00 - [222] Originally by: Guderian Once a great alliance leader said "there is always deniability". I guess that goes for KOS and the trick they tried to pull. Go join SMASH in Germinate, rebuild and come back and kill -V- and LV as you had planned before any of this happened. And RA, nice pull on the devide and conquer trick. Sadly you chose the weakest link. And the tin foil hat award goes to............ (PS I used to be in FLA) ----------------------------------------------- I'm a reversed paranoid schizophrenic. I have voices in my head I just think I don't hear them
Daroh Solar Dragons Red Alliance	Posted - 2006.10.24 09:40:00 - [223] Shinra +1 backstab (5 total: CA, -5-, RA, UCC, KOS) who will be next? Probably -V-... )
Guderian Gallente Shinra Lotka Volterra	Posted - 2006.10.24 09:43:00 - [224] Originally by: mr passie Originally by: Guderian Once a great alliance leader said "there is always deniability". I guess that goes for KOS and the trick they tried to pull. Go join SMASH in Germinate, rebuild and come back and kill -V- and LV as you had planned before any of this happened. And RA, nice pull on the devide and conquer trick. Sadly you chose the weakest link. And the tin foil hat award goes to............ (PS I used to be in FLA) When one starts getting independent reports about KOS pulling a badie on you from people who are -10 to your alliance, you start to think why you need enemies, when you have friends like KOS. "Blessed is he, who walks through life in ignorance, 'cause he does not know the dangers that lies beyond."
Gen Kumon Caldari Pirates of Destruction Union Pirate Coalition	Posted - 2006.10.24 09:49:00 - [225] You know...as a former member of KOS and general enemy to both KOS and LV...this is actually pretty funny. I'm not going to say KOS didn't deserve it, but it only goes to show what happens when you rely on LV. So...I'm just going to sit back and laugh as two of the groups I like least in EVE go shooty-shooty on each other.
sidthesexist Caldari Euphoria Released Euphoria Unleashed	Posted - 2006.10.24 09:50:00 - [226] Originally by: Daroh Shinra +1 backstab (5 total: CA, -5-, RA, UCC, KOS) who will be next? Probably -V-... ) People who know me know me n Shinra dont get on but i can say this right here and now, Shinra didnt backstab CA -5- nor RA and especially not KOS. KOS choose their sides you are going to help smash, you are going to die. ________ Euphoria Released
Marcus Ravens Minmatar The Department of Justice	Posted - 2006.10.24 09:54:00 - [227] There is alot of junk and flaming going on here. This thread has gotten way too long.... Lets leave it at, that KOS did waht they did for a reason and so did the coaltion and move on.
mr passie Minmatar Purgatorial Janitors Inc. Knights Of the Southerncross	Posted - 2006.10.24 09:55:00 - [228] Originally by: Guderian Originally by: mr passie Originally by: Guderian Once a great alliance leader said "there is always deniability". I guess that goes for KOS and the trick they tried to pull. Go join SMASH in Germinate, rebuild and come back and kill -V- and LV as you had planned before any of this happened. And RA, nice pull on the devide and conquer trick. Sadly you chose the weakest link. And the tin foil hat award goes to............ (PS I used to be in FLA) When one starts getting independent reports about KOS pulling a badie on you from people who are -10 to your alliance, you start to think why you need enemies, when you have friends like KOS. And so you conclude that we planned this all along? Honestly, you think we are happy with what happened? Do you think KOS would give up a region just se we could start to shoot allies as you claim? I don't want to go into a flame war as I had much fun fighting with you guys in the past, but try and see it from our perspective we'd lose everything and all if we did't take the offer and the decision had to be made really fast. I even think it goes to say that it had more to do with KOS internal problems then with RA/Goon. If KOS was organised as it should be we would've held our ground but a lot of poeple realised there wasn't enough dedication and stubbornness to hold the area. It had nothing to do with a desire to betray friends. Like I said before we were never planning to engage you, just a nap so we could regroup and recover. ----------------------------------------------- I'm a reversed paranoid schizophrenic. I have voices in my head I just think I don't hear them
mr passie Minmatar Purgatorial Janitors Inc. Knights Of the Southerncross	Posted - 2006.10.24 09:56:00 - [229] Originally by: Marcus Ravens There is alot of junk and flaming going on here. This thread has gotten way too long.... Lets leave it at, that KOS did waht they did for a reason and so did the coaltion and move on. i couldn't agree more. /me leaves this thread ----------------------------------------------- I'm a reversed paranoid schizophrenic. I have voices in my head I just think I don't hear them
Stig Caldar Eve Riders	Posted - 2006.10.24 09:57:00 - [230] IMO this has been coming for a looong time. How many times did LV give KOS support? How many times were our fleets called in to save the day YET AGAIN to save the hapless clueless KOS? The answers here are FAR TOO MANY TIMES. Give it up KOS - either sort yourselves out and stop dreaming... ....or do the sensible thing and put yourselves out of your misery. I think the sensible thing for you to do is find a nice system to protect and live there quietly and hope no-one comes in to take it!
Daroh Solar Dragons Red Alliance	Posted - 2006.10.24 10:09:00 - [231] Originally by: sidthesexist Originally by: Daroh Shinra +1 backstab (5 total: CA, -5-, RA, UCC, KOS) who will be next? Probably -V-... ) People who know me know me n Shinra dont get on but i can say this right here and now, Shinra didnt backstab CA -5- nor RA and especially not KOS. KOS choose their sides you are going to help smash, you are going to die. just lol )
Guderian Gallente Shinra Lotka Volterra	Posted - 2006.10.24 10:10:00 - [232] Originally by: Daroh Shinra +1 backstab (5 total: CA, -5-, RA, UCC, KOS) who will be next? Probably -V-... ) CA: We left and moved to another part of the EVE cluster. Hardly a backstab. -5-: We left on argueable terms, but never made them enemies. RA: I thought ATUK did the backstabbing there UCC: You mean the guys in Cache that was given the stations, only to make friends with RA and leave the area? KOS: We didn't NAP RA/GOON to get out of the heat, KOS did. Where was the backstabbing again? "Blessed is he, who walks through life in ignorance, 'cause he does not know the dangers that lies beyond."
putukas Enterprise Estonia Veritas Immortalis	Posted - 2006.10.24 10:13:00 - [233] seems to me that this issue is cased by one or two members from KOS, they should consider changing their leadership im sure there is many good people in KOS who didnt want this to happen.
sidthesexist Caldari Euphoria Released Euphoria Unleashed	Posted - 2006.10.24 10:15:00 - [234] Originally by: Daroh Originally by: sidthesexist Originally by: Daroh Shinra +1 backstab (5 total: CA, -5-, RA, UCC, KOS) who will be next? Probably -V-... ) People who know me know me n Shinra dont get on but i can say this right here and now, Shinra didnt backstab CA -5- nor RA and especially not KOS. KOS choose their sides you are going to help smash, you are going to die. just lol ) Explain your lol. ________ Euphoria Released
Guderian Gallente Shinra Lotka Volterra	Posted - 2006.10.24 10:16:00 - [235] Originally by: mr passie And so you conclude that we planned this all along? Honestly, you think we are happy with what happened? Do you think KOS would give up a region just se we could start to shoot allies as you claim? I don't want to go into a flame war as I had much fun fighting with you guys in the past, but try and see it from our perspective we'd lose everything and all if we did't take the offer and the decision had to be made really fast. I even think it goes to say that it had more to do with KOS internal problems then with RA/Goon. If KOS was organised as it should be we would've held our ground but a lot of poeple realised there wasn't enough dedication and stubbornness to hold the area. It had nothing to do with a desire to betray friends. Like I said before we were never planning to engage you, just a nap so we could regroup and recover. Alot of good and honest stuff. But in your honest oppinion, what should we have done, when we found out you had napped RA/GOON behind our backs? Say, that is ok, we are still friends and will trust you into our gangs? I agree that you have to do what you find necessary to keep your alliance alive, but so do we. And honestly, when our trust was betrayed, the only thing to do is take precautions. "Blessed is he, who walks through life in ignorance, 'cause he does not know the dangers that lies beyond."
Ale Tricio M. Corp Lotka Volterra	Posted - 2006.10.24 10:19:00 - [236] Just to clarify I believe your confusing ERA/RAM with UCC. UCC are and will remain + as they have something KOS do not. Proper communications channels
King Dave Shinra Lotka Volterra	Posted - 2006.10.24 10:21:00 - [237] Originally by: Evengard Guyz, I just love you... And everybody just start to see true face of LV. First they use you and getiing all they can get to theyr profit. After you cannot give them what they want they just throw you out. Using others like living shield. Who's gonna be next?? Place your bets gentelmens. i don't think you quite get it... We spent days taking stations of you, then freely handing them over to KOS, then when those systems got taken back a few days after, we once again risked our dreads for them, taking back those stations... Then we give them a load of pos to run the place. Yeh we must be doing it for profit.. btw T H E K E Y is shinra's i-win h4x cheat button code. ------------------------------- don't speak english... f1, f2, alt-q!
End Yourself Core Domination	Posted - 2006.10.24 10:29:00 - [238] Originally by: FrioBebe Originally by: putukas if one is naped with your enemy and in your intel channels that means they are your enemies. period. We left your information channel out of respect. Orders were clear, to leave your coalition channel to prevent any suspicions and cause any thoghts of faul play. We as a corp had no intrest in the conflict consearing You and RA. Reason some might have popped in at a later time is cause of using different computers etc. There were at that time no information sharing with RA. I respect V and LV, and I wont ask for anything but mutual respect back. keep the fights clean, yes we love your 60 on 20 it makes us feel special :) And keep local clear as the sky. frio Just curious, wasn't rampage fighting on RA's side since you entered the battlefield ages ago?!? --- Fighting for peace is like screwing for virginity.
Aloysius Knight Minmatar Black Nova Corp Band of Brothers	Posted - 2006.10.24 10:31:00 - [239] Originally by: Aloysius Knight the gate is the key, the key is the gate, the gate is the key, the gate is the key now common, wtf does THEKEY mean? http://www.stevie.prince.dsl.pipex.com/AloysiusKnight.jpg http://img167.imageshack.us/img167/2107/nodecrashsiggb9.jpg Chose one, you must. Two is the way of pure ebilness, and pure ebilness is bad -ReverendM
Guderian Gallente Shinra Lotka Volterra	Posted - 2006.10.24 10:31:00 - [240] KD, dont bother with RA's incoherent propaganda babble. They have no clue on what is going on. Its only their fanbois and LV enemies that can't see this. "Blessed is he, who walks through life in ignorance, 'cause he does not know the dangers that lies beyond."
Aloysius Knight Minmatar Black Nova Corp Band of Brothers	Posted - 2006.10.24 10:31:00 - [241] Edited by: Aloysius Knight on 24/10/2006 10:31:12 http://www.stevie.prince.dsl.pipex.com/AloysiusKnight.jpg http://img167.imageshack.us/img167/2107/nodecrashsiggb9.jpg Chose one, you must. Two is the way of pure ebilness, and pure ebilness is bad -ReverendM
Major Tarsis Shinra Lotka Volterra	Posted - 2006.10.24 10:33:00 - [242] Originally by: Aloysius Knight Originally by: Aloysius Knight the gate is the key, the key is the gate, the gate is the key, the gate is the key now common, wtf does THEKEY mean? Its: T H E K E Y MT My comments are purely in character and should not be considered a personal attack especially if taken out of context. - awaiting mods reply via email.
nync UA Industry Red Alliance	Posted - 2006.10.24 10:39:00 - [243] Red Alliance NAP'ed KOS 2 hours AFTER LV and -V- wardec KOS. To let them move their **** out of Wicked Creak. Anyways just on this move.
Elve Sorrow Amarr Shinra Lotka Volterra	Posted - 2006.10.24 10:39:00 - [244] T H E K E Y is Shinra's RP department. It's great being Amarr, aint it?
Guderian Gallente Shinra Lotka Volterra	Posted - 2006.10.24 10:44:00 - [245] Originally by: nync Red Alliance NAP'ed KOS 2 hours AFTER LV and -V- wardec KOS. To let them move their **** out of Wicked Creak. Anyways just on this move. "there is always deniability" "Blessed is he, who walks through life in ignorance, 'cause he does not know the dangers that lies beyond."
FrioBebe Rampage Eternal	Posted - 2006.10.24 11:07:00 - [246] Originally by: End Yourself Originally by: FrioBebe Originally by: putukas if one is naped with your enemy and in your intel channels that means they are your enemies. period. We left your information channel out of respect. Orders were clear, to leave your coalition channel to prevent any suspicions and cause any thoghts of faul play. We as a corp had no intrest in the conflict consearing You and RA. Reason some might have popped in at a later time is cause of using different computers etc. There were at that time no information sharing with RA. I respect V and LV, and I wont ask for anything but mutual respect back. keep the fights clean, yes we love your 60 on 20 it makes us feel special :) And keep local clear as the sky. frio Just curious, wasn't rampage fighting on RA's side since you entered the battlefield ages ago?!? No. RAM is recruting
nync UA Industry Red Alliance	Posted - 2006.10.24 11:12:00 - [247] Edited by: nync on 24/10/2006 11:13:19 Edited by: nync on 24/10/2006 11:12:04 Originally by: Guderian Originally by: nync Red Alliance NAP'ed KOS 2 hours AFTER LV and -V- wardec KOS. To let them move their ** out of Wicked Creak. Anyways just on this move. "there is always deniability" Chow posted this crap about wardec KOS at 22:15 eve time. Last KOS kill on RA killboard is at 22:54. Simple. As soon as i read this post I contacted demogod and told him that I'm setting KOS to + just to ** you off and to let KOS to move out of wicked creak, even with our pilots unhappy with this move because of less target to kill. '' there is always a dumbass excuse to kill someone''
MACTEP Solar Dragons Red Alliance	Posted - 2006.10.24 11:19:00 - [248] KOS naped with RA ? Its very nice that are such forums where simple pilots can get info )
Shadoo The Taining corp Knights Of the Southerncross	Posted - 2006.10.24 11:22:00 - [249] Well, unfortunately the thread seems to have gone to the tinfoil hat territory. As a last comment, all I can say is that the communication works both ways, I never had trouble to move our folks to support LV near DG- and V in KZF. Using KZF as an example, we knew LD was too busy to accept convoes, so we contacted an FC instead and coordinated. KZF lead finally to a common FCs channel to be formed that helped KOS a lot to pull as many ships from the station as possible thanks to the ~20min warning with -V- scouts following the convoy in that channel. If you knew the top of the tree was out of reach, why not try a branch lower down the tree instead. Ah well, what do I know about politics -- I just follow the red minuses. Good luck to our friends in LV (especially Major Tarsis -- your help will always be remembered) and -V-. Good luck also to RA and Goons -- all politics aside, the moment you saw what was happening, your guys stopped shooting people pulling out in Q-GQ and moved to support our remaining fighters instead against a LV gank squad. Let's pew pew.
Ilmonstre Minmatar 0utbreak	Posted - 2006.10.24 11:27:00 - [250] Originally by: MACTEP KOS naped with RA ? Its very nice that are such forums where simple pilots can get info ) you know everybody loves you but are scared to talk to you you must feel so much joy not being able to shoot all those KOS haulers in N-R mucho love from a old lv whorior
Crellion Art of War Cult of War	Posted - 2006.10.24 11:34:00 - [251] LD is crossing the Rubicon and though I know -v- is perhaps not 100% of what it has been if LD is ***ed off peeps better check their buttplugs are firmly in place Shedding weight liberates mind and body especially in a conflict where the outnumbered always seem to have the upper hand... Having said all that I wish KOS best of luck and may they find their way in empire or wherever else they may chose to. Arguably my opinions represent to an extent the opinions of my alliance and in particular circumstances give rise to a valid "casus belli" claim.*
RealLiveGirl Gallente University of Caille	Posted - 2006.10.24 11:34:00 - [252] Hey -V-, in a few weeks, when you've been completed overrun by enemy forces, when your home systems are filled with hostiles every day, when you can't make money to keep the fuel going in your hundred large towers, when your PvPers are on their last ships, when you become more of a political liability to LV and they abandon you to go strengthen their outposts in Detorid, I want you to remember one thing. We told you so. The writing on the wall is that LV will treat you exactly as they've treated every other political liability in their history. Good luck.
Al Haquis Minmatar Reikoku Band of Brothers	Posted - 2006.10.24 11:43:00 - [253] To RA Kill em all and do it with a smile on your face. With love from Al Haquis
V0idz Gallente	Posted - 2006.10.24 11:47:00 - [254] Edited by: V0idz on 24/10/2006 11:47:46 gl KOS + bad move LV/V
Tesarus Minmatar REUNI0N Red Alliance	Posted - 2006.10.24 11:55:00 - [255] Originally by: MACTEP KOS naped with RA ? Its very nice that are such forums where simple pilots can get info ) KOS NAPed with RAGOON's ? How intresting news... I dont know about this And LV fighting with KOS... You guys tired to "erase RED from EVE" and whant to boost up you morale with more easy targets Heh... -5-, ERA, UCC, KOS... CHIMP or CHIMERA - truth is out there Or may be you invite in Coalition new ally, which whoud be fightin for you, weaken because of this, and be used as new "Great Betrayers" ? I think I really not love you Jecky Chan san (с) BAD CARMA
Sean Dillon Caldari Privateers	Posted - 2006.10.24 11:57:00 - [256] Originally by: Major Tarsis KOS had some good leadership and some good Corps within it however certain 'key' individuals hindered the entire Alliance. After having helped KOS personally in N7- and putting time in to help them after. I'm sure when N7- fell KOS leadership was informed to lock 'The Creek' up with LARGE towers on over 50% of the moons in the station systems. What was their leaderships decision on this?....Well small unfueled towers are not the best call to make. Some of the KOS 'leadership' tried and I give them credit for this (Shadoo Rhang and co). However guys you were fighting a losing battle as common sense and listening were not strong points for certain other individuals. I think KOS has been defeated the actions of a single person, and that person does not wear LV, V, RA, GooN or other tags but somewhere closer to home for KOS. To Shadoo and others GL for the future, you will need it as its not just a fight against your enemies you need to win. You 'leader' has played his cards in the name of KOS, consequences of these decisions are obvious. See you on the Battlefield T H E K E Y! From my time in KOS I can say this is 100% true, you can thank number one for this **** your in now. I remember a post on the KOS forums mid august when some members had questions about the situation of n7- because ra could freely raid and was under populated only few corps of 50 lived there. As number one said "all is under control", which was completely not only he was to lazy, stuborn, an idiot u name it to do anything about it. When n7- falled I left KOS with my corp shortly because my corp lost its home in insmother, but at the time the leadership decided to fortify creek with towers and every corp had to donate a billion in 1 week "hallo corp with 15 members 1 billion plz", when their corp wallet only had a few hundreds. The leadership decided also decided to reform and merge smaller corps into bigger ones, this was a good move only poorly managed and made alot more of the better corps leave. Also the leadership made serveral of the better pvp corps quit I name lazor monekys, FATEX (although I was happy to see these guys go to be honest) and a few of the better pvp corps in creek moved to -V-. This all resulted in what it is today, although I dont really know what KOS did in the last month to truely deserve a wardec from LV and co.
fire 59 Destructive Influence Band of Brothers	Posted - 2006.10.24 12:00:00 - [257] Forgive me if i got this wrong. RA was pushed back to 1 station by coaliton and then coalition took that shortly. RA retake the station and after long fighting, mangage to take more stations back. Now RA with new gs allies are pushing hard into coalition territory in general retaking what had been lost ages ago? WoW, slightly off topic but if it was possible to bottle that fighting spirit, you would make a fortune, can't help but admire that level of determination Iron and G eat babie's, my views are my own and do not reflect my corp or my alliance
Belladonna Nightshade	Posted - 2006.10.24 12:05:00 - [258] Posting with an unidentified character in this forum is prohibited, if you wish to participate in the discussions here, be sure to have your corporation and or alliance status ticked in your forum settings. - Huitzilopochtli Tlaloc ([email protected])
Malvahne Amarr Wulong Mercenaries	Posted - 2006.10.24 12:08:00 - [259] Such forum drama . Best of luck to KOS.
Guderian Gallente Shinra Lotka Volterra	Posted - 2006.10.24 12:10:00 - [260] Originally by: fire 59 Forgive me if i got this wrong. RA was pushed back to 1 station by coaliton and then coalition took that shortly. RA retake the station and after long fighting, mangage to take more stations back. Now RA with new gs allies are pushing hard into coalition territory in general retaking what had been lost ages ago? WoW, slightly off topic but if it was possible to bottle that fighting spirit, you would make a fortune, can't help but admire that level of determination Pretty much, except ERA handed them Cache and KOS handed them WC. "Blessed is he, who walks through life in ignorance, 'cause he does not know the dangers that lies beyond."
Beyond Horizon UA Industry Red Alliance	Posted - 2006.10.24 12:12:00 - [261] Originally by: Daroh Originally by: sidthesexist Originally by: Daroh Shinra +1 backstab (5 total: CA, -5-, RA, UCC, KOS) who will be next? Probably -V-... ) People who know me know me n Shinra dont get on but i can say this right here and now, Shinra didnt backstab CA -5- nor RA and especially not KOS. KOS choose their sides you are going to help smash, you are going to die. just lol ) Think he should learn his history homework better :P - BH
Ras Blumin 0utbreak	Posted - 2006.10.24 12:16:00 - [262] Originally by: Ale Tricio Please note All Times are eve+2 [ 2006.10.22 23:38:57 ] Light Darkness > demo [ 2006.10.22 23:39:02 ] Light Darkness > why KOS leaving wicked? [ 2006.10.22 23:39:46 ] demogod > ??? etc. Why are they eve+2?
Gunship Amarr FATAL REVELATIONS Lotka Volterra	Posted - 2006.10.24 12:28:00 - [263] To me selling out to RA was another "mistake" by the KOS leader(s). I fell really sorry for the hard fighting pilots of KOS, who has not been given the leadership they deserve. I don't think anyone in eve can say we are back stapping KOS leader(s) since they made and then denied there NAP with RA. To the good pilots in KOS, your red to us becasue of your leader(s), not because of your own actions. When the dust settles perhaps you will find time to consider more carefully who to trust, to lead you in the future. /me wonders how much isk it cost RA to buy Demo & ???.... So you want to join us?
swordslasher Eye of God Axiom Empire	Posted - 2006.10.24 12:36:00 - [264] Plazmalord, demogod, KOS members, ex memebers of Pantera Technologies. Let me say. It's been almost eight months now till your "fearless" leader decided to sell the alliance out in Omist, give up control of what we knew we had, and take control of what we knew we could lose. I will say, I told you so. I told you not to follow your blind leader for he know not what he do. I left that day and told the entire alliance that it was a mistake to try and control the east, that you would be relying on people who could just as easily rely on you and withdraw their support for any reason. those of you who listened, left. Those who saw only blood in their future, stayed, and have since fell. WAR is not easy for anyone. There comes a point in time for every pilot where it ceases to be fun, where the goal you've been fighting for seems lost in the mountains of kills and losses, and the only thing left to do is to keep trying, for reasons that everyone seems to have forgotten. KOS was a good alliance of strong willed players in Omist, those of us who fought - but the leadership was poor, driven and blinded by greed and power. It's easier on the home front to defend something you control, and then at the end of the day, those pilots who do not have to log off in a POS, will feel better and safer in the morning. Let this be a learning lesson for you. KOS was too young, and it's leadership had a plan in mind that, had it taken one or ten months, would eventually crush the alliance. Good luck to you, but I have no sympathies.
Peoke Caldari Rome SMASH Alliance	Posted - 2006.10.24 12:39:00 - [265] Originally by: Guderian Once a great alliance leader said "there is always deniability". I guess that goes for KOS and the trick they tried to pull. Go join SMASH in Germinate, rebuild and come back and kill -V- and LV as you had planned before any of this happened. And RA, nice pull on the devide and conquer trick. Sadly you chose the weakest link. Wow Lv is still ****ed that Nebba came asking Smash for a nap and then help and we wouldnt nap em and be the new meat shield. I guess when we were there the first time a nap then woulda been better then now
Kuang V I R I I Center for Disease Creation	Posted - 2006.10.24 13:03:00 - [266] Edited by: Kuang on 24/10/2006 13:06:14 Originally by: fire 59 Forgive me if i got this wrong. RA was pushed back to 1 station by coaliton and then coalition took that shortly. RA retake the station and after long fighting, mangage to take more stations back. Now RA with new gs allies are pushing hard into coalition territory in general retaking what had been lost ages ago? WoW, slightly off topic but if it was possible to bottle that fighting spirit, you would make a fortune, can't help but admire that level of determination Personally don't think any other alliance has the determination as RA ... LV , V and chimp are slowly being pecked away by RA , will they turn it around ... probably not but who knows [img] [url="http://cdc.big-poppa.net/[/url]
Roxors Caldari Solar Wind Distant Star Alliance	Posted - 2006.10.24 13:03:00 - [267] thats pretty funny.. we knew kos couldnt hang out there back when demo moved out of omist (thats why some of us left). was pretty obvious kos was being sent out there as one of those little rubber boat fenders. oh well. looks like the day finally came that big brother didnt come to the rescue in time and kos got pwnd.. though if you ask me its a bit much to gank standings on them when thier just trying to pull back. who i really feel bad for is the pilots in kos. knowing the kos leadership from previous experience these poor guys are likely getting screwed from both sides.. there is just one thing i cant understand.. since when does demo care about the pilots in his alliance enough to try to provide them safe passage? lets not forget this is the guy that used to threaten his alliance mates with podding if they didnt mine.. ----------- Originally by: jellybelly2 My alt has seen 9 titans.
Velios M. Corp Lotka Volterra	Posted - 2006.10.24 13:15:00 - [268] Edited by: Velios on 24/10/2006 13:17:13 Not true Kuang, and you will recognise this soon enough. M. SNRA UKC have been fighting RA since it all sparked off. Our commitment is equal to that of RA, we will continue this fight for as long as we have to. We have been at it for nearly 1.5 years now. RA has been our greatest opponent, and our greatest teacher. Respect on both sides of the fence.
Omeega Rage and Terror Against ALL Authorities	Posted - 2006.10.24 13:17:00 - [269] Hehe LD! o7 much love. Am farming plex atm to buy a character that i could let in konora ;) Don't speak english. F1,f2,f3...
Nott Too	Posted - 2006.10.24 13:19:00 - [270] Edited by: Nott Too on 24/10/2006 13:23:41 Freaking alts
Kingsman Gallente The Flying Tigers	Posted - 2006.10.24 13:24:00 - [271] My first post on this subject was in private on the KOS boards. My only response was I was banned from those forums. We, The Flying Tigers have been part of KOS for some time now and proud to be as well. We fought long and hard in N7, and were some of the last to pull out. We have kept two Large Pos up and fueled in WC since we were redeployed, to aid in holding WC, and assumed others were as well. At last weekends senate meeting we were presented with several options and told we could choose. One of those options included NAPing RAGOON to allow for the withdrawal of forces. We publicly declared this a bad idea. Voted against it. We told any one that would listen, inside the alliance, this was not going to sit well with our current allies. Once the vote was cast we posted on the forums we would not be leaving WC but would find some way to stay, most likely in curse, and continue the fight. We wished, and still do wish, safe flying to the many honorable pilots we have flown with over the previous months. But then something odd happened. WeÆve seen in this thread that it was KOS leadership plan to immediately inform the coalition of what was going to take place. That is what we were told also. We started making plans for a guerilla war. After all we had brought up ships, mods, ammo, towers etc for the defense of KOS. We might as well go out in a blaze of glory. Our private forums are filled with posts rallying the troops to defend F-E. We were going to fight to the last pod. Then all of sudden weÆre not KOS anymore. We are being called traitors, and told that all KOS will kill us. We canÆt dock at the stations we fought to defend to get the ships we brought to defend them with. But I look in my transaction history now and I see RAGOON members buying the ammo and mods I had built and put on the market at a loss for Alliance members to fight RAGOON with. Apparently our treachery is that we would not change sides in the middle of the battle and we believed the KOS leadership when they told us they were going to keep the coalition informed. I laugh at some of these posts. ItÆs LVs fault that we did not fuel our towers. We had to NAP RA to withdraw from the field. We donÆt know why they got mad at us for changing sides. Anyone with a clue knew that an LV war dec was going to follow a KOS nap like day follows night. When the sun came up this morning I wasnÆt surprised, and I didnÆt blame the moon for telling it was day time. Yet KOS blames us, the Tigers for LV being offended at them changing sides then trying to hide it to that last minute. Let me make our actions as a corp perfectly clear. 1.We will never change sides during battle know matter the cost. 2.We looked for a way to continue the fight and that included trying to arrange docking rights at certain coalition stations 3.We assumed the KOS leadership was telling the truth, (and the chat logs are in this thread) when they said the coalition was to be informed of the NAP immediately and even then it was only mentioned to certain high level individuals as the reason for our need for corp standings not in a look at what KOS is doing fashion 4.We vowed to defend KOS during their withdrawal and leave our POSs up as long as possible 5.We never told anyone that KOS was going to set any member of the coalition to neg standing and we honestly hoped that would not happen, (but honestly who was surprised by Chows post once you knew what happened?) When the sun came up this morning I wasnÆt surprised, and I didnÆt blame the moon for telling the sun it was morning. Yet KOS blames us, the Tigers for LV being offended at them changing sides then trying to hide it to that last minute. KOS leadership continues to cry foul and treachery, they should know. After what they did to us, they obviously understand what it means to stab some one in the back. "Nothing is fool-proof to a sufficiently talented fool."
sakana Purgatorial Janitors Inc.	Posted - 2006.10.24 13:27:00 - [272] [PJI] had a lot of fun flying with KOS, but as soon as this was suggested we decided it was time for us to leave. Honour is something we value above all else, and we just couldn't agree to take part in this. Was fun fighting RA and co, but i guess its back to piracy for us at least for now....
Stormhold FinFleet Lotka Volterra	Posted - 2006.10.24 13:30:00 - [273] It's a completely normal "teh coalition" thread in EVE-o. Random smack from every corner of EVE spiced by RA propaganda. Without the spice it'd be a normal thread tho :/
Major Tarsis Shinra Lotka Volterra	Posted - 2006.10.24 13:40:00 - [274] Originally by: Kingsman ...... Then all of sudden weÆre not KOS anymore. We are being called traitors, and told that all KOS will kill us. We canÆt dock at the stations we fought to defend to get the ships we brought to defend them with. But I look in my transaction history now and I see RAGOON members buying the ammo and mods I had built and put on the market at a loss for Alliance members to fight RAGOON with. Apparently our treachery is that we would not change sides in the middle of the battle and we believed the KOS leadership when they told us they were going to keep the coalition informed. I laugh at some of these posts. ItÆs LVs fault that we did not fuel our towers. We had to NAP RA to withdraw from the field. We donÆt know why they got mad at us for changing sides. Anyone with a clue knew that an LV war dec was going to follow a KOS nap like day follows night. When the sun came up this morning I wasnÆt surprised, and I didnÆt blame the moon for telling it was day time. Yet KOS blames us, the Tigers for LV being offended at them changing sides then trying to hide it to that last minute. Let me make our actions as a corp perfectly clear. 1.We will never change sides during battle know matter the cost. 2.We looked for a way to continue the fight and that included trying to arrange docking rights at certain coalition stations 3.We assumed the KOS leadership was telling the truth, (and the chat logs are in this thread) when they said the coalition was to be informed of the NAP immediately and even then it was only mentioned to certain high level individuals as the reason for our need for corp standings not in a look at what KOS is doing fashion 4.We vowed to defend KOS during their withdrawal and leave our POSs up as long as possible 5.We never told anyone that KOS was going to set any member of the coalition to neg standing and we honestly hoped that would not happen, (but honestly who was surprised by Chows post once you knew what happened?)..... So Does this mean Demogod and Co think that the Intel to LV came from the Tigers? Well TBH I think that Demogod should look closer to his own Corp for leaky intel. I actually heard this was going to happen before the 'Senate/CEO' meeting happened. Demogods true motivation and true colours are beginning to show. I do feel for the KOS pilots caught up by bad leadership decisions as well as the Fleet Commanders that have tried to keep KOS on together. I feel you have all been let down by the actions of people above you. KOS fought well in N7- and in other area Operations against RAGOONS. I feel for you guys in the Alliance that have suddenly been sold out by the very people you put in place and trusted to lead you. For the Commanders as well who were stiffled and held back by those in positions above you. Especially Rhang and Shadoo who gave it their all to only be held back by certain leaders not willing to trust them in certain Chat channels. Best of Luck KOS pilots with leadership as it is you will need all you can get. See you on the Battlefield. KD has T H E K E Y! MT My comments are purely in character and should not be considered a personal attack especially if taken out of context. - awaiting mods reply via email.
Robet Katrix Beagle Corp R0ADKILL	Posted - 2006.10.24 13:45:00 - [275] Originally by: Guderian Once a great alliance leader said "there is always deniability". I guess that goes for KOS and the trick they tried to pull. Go join SMASH in Germinate, rebuild and come back and kill -V- and LV as you had planned before any of this happened. And RA, nice pull on the devide and conquer trick. Sadly you chose the weakest link. isn't that the whole point of divide and conquer? you remove the small and weaker links one by one? until all that remains is LV surrounded by Racoons on all sides with all their allies in empire or fighting other enemies?
EvilNate Caldari Coreli Corporation Corelum Syndicate	Posted - 2006.10.24 13:46:00 - [276] I'd like to ask a couple questions if I may? 1.) Whats happening to the regoin KOS controlled, is it being handed over to RaGoons or are the Coalition Claiming it. 2.) If RaGoons claim, what are the chances of The Coalition recovering from this? The way it seems to me, if RaGoons keep up the charge, LV will be boxed in and RA could effectively bleed them to death. 3.) If the Coalition take controll of the regoin, will they have the man power to controll it? 4.) Would the coalition look at handing it over to another alliance if they do take the regoin? Thanks Nate.
LadyScarlet Minmatar Destructive Influence Band of Brothers	Posted - 2006.10.24 13:46:00 - [277] Originally by: Guderian Edited by: Guderian on 24/10/2006 10:20:11 Originally by: Daroh Shinra +1 backstab (5 total: CA, -5-, RA, UCC, KOS) who will be next? Probably -V-... ) CA: We left and moved to another part of the EVE cluster. Hardly a backstab. -5-: We left on argueable terms, but never made them enemies. RA: I thought ATUK did the backstabbing there KOS: We didn't NAP RA/GOON to get out of the heat, KOS did. Where was the backstabbing again? If you rememeber all the forum drama From when snra left the five you will remember a certain log from chowdown approching RA for a nap when they planned on leaving us im sure those logs could eaisly resurface again so lets not get into the whole atuk backstab people bit, its so easy to forget the past and try to drag others names into a new war but you might want to stick to the curent topic and not relive all that again might make for soem good reading in this post
Plazmalord Soban Amarr Hounds Of War Knights Of the Southerncross	Posted - 2006.10.24 13:56:00 - [278] sakana youll be missed, as far as flying tygers go... Your CEO 15 min after our meeting in the senate to discuss our options and decide our future... which im am QUITE CERTAIN had nuthing to do with becoming "Allies" with RED alliance. It was a tactical decision to get our valuables out of the firing line. Your CEO and whoever your senator is misunderstodd this and then in turn went to LV and V and started running his mouth about something he aparently wasnt paying attention to in the senate meeting in the first place. We asked of all the corps leaders to keep this qiet until Demogod was able to explain fully was was taking place. Ive seen alot of mud tossing here... KOS didnt have any other options... Look at how LV states several times " oh yet again we had to come and save KOS" Exscuse us but it was you (LV)who forced us to leave Omist and put us in W.C. and we stayed and fought and defended it every night from raids with Snigg to Raids from Dusk til dawn and RA and IMP. You guys sit back and whine that u gotta help us out Excuse us for being the #1 target's 100% of the time. You formed this coalition and turned your back on us several times when we came to you for support. giving us nuthing but lame excuses as to why they cant mobilize their dreads. KOS gave their support to this Coalition til the very last. We had no intentions on bailing out of it we were "REGROUPING" I can remember being promised by LV after we took a large hit to our fleet that if we helped them in an op to take down some RA pos to wipe out some dreads they would replace our ships if lost. After the battle.... NOT ONE ship was ever replaced. the months following our leadership sent us into the meatgrinder for your cause to defend EGGS to hold off enemy incursions everything u can think of... the arrogance that LV handed us WC without KOS's help in securing it or the efforts of our pvp pilots is quite hilarious. drop the leetest attitudes. I admit with the way things have been running lately in KOS have lead to the downfall of kos but DEMO in fact ordered q-gq 6 weeks ago to POS up all of the station systems. the corporations in KOS were the ones who failed to get those towers up. They knew full well what was coming we told them. they didnt take down their pos's in non station systems due to GREED. Demo sat back and let em burn because the senate wanted demo to stand down as leader and allow the senate to control things. Our cabinet was disbanded and all of a sudden nuthing is getting done anymore. the Senate chopped off the head of Animal that is KOS. We decided in the senate meeting to Fall back and regroup and why on earth would we want to regroup in LV space that is about to get pounded even further by RED's Coalition. We took the NAP to remove our valuables and re-establish order within KOS regroup and if relations were smoothed over with LV and V about the lack of fleet support we were gonna come back and be refreshed and strong again and help with the war. As for not telling your alliance's V and LV we in the senate meeting were under the impression demo was in talks with you about it and we were assured you were informed about it and would be again after the meeting. Thus why we chose that path. Not once despite some growing utterances and feelings of being abandoned by our big brothers did we ever say we were goin to put LV to negative 10. as far as i remember and being the one who hosted that meeting it was said that there was a possibility that Chimp and KOS were to merge. As far as helping Smash.... its been known Smash is an ally to KOS we let u know that before we got in this with you. Unlike LV Smash has fielded Dreads to help KOS when we were younger in Omist they didnt come down and say hey we will help you remove SE but we will take control of your stations. Its always been LV's way or the highway. well the highway we ran into wasnt paved any longer.
Valkazm Amarr Cursed Spawn	Posted - 2006.10.24 13:59:00 - [279] Thats the thanks KOS gets for being the shield how about LV fight there own battles and go and kill RA no lets kick on KOS while there down Cursed Spawn recruitment
Omeega Rage and Terror Against ALL Authorities	Posted - 2006.10.24 14:00:00 - [280] Originally by: LadyScarlet Originally by: Guderian Edited by: Guderian on 24/10/2006 10:20:11 Originally by: Daroh Shinra +1 backstab (5 total: CA, -5-, RA, UCC, KOS) who will be next? Probably -V-... ) CA: We left and moved to another part of the EVE cluster. Hardly a backstab. -5-: We left on argueable terms, but never made them enemies. RA: I thought ATUK did the backstabbing there KOS: We didn't NAP RA/GOON to get out of the heat, KOS did. Where was the backstabbing again? If you rememeber all the forum drama From when snra left the five you will remember a certain log from chowdown approching RA for a nap when they planned on leaving us im sure those logs could eaisly resurface again so lets not get into the whole atuk backstab people bit, its so easy to forget the past and try to drag others names into a new war but you might want to stick to the curent topic and not relive all that again might make for soem good reading in this post signed. i got them in my pocket. Don't speak english. F1,f2,f3...
Shadoo The Taining corp Knights Of the Southerncross	Posted - 2006.10.24 14:01:00 - [281] Originally by: Major Tarsis I actually heard this was going to happen before the 'Senate/CEO' meeting happened. MJ my friend, the only thing I scratch my head for still is -- if you obviously knew what the plan was -- you surely knew that the plan didn not involve to regroup in empire and come fight -V- and LV nor to set them negative. Ah well, part of the mystery of 0.0 alliance politics I presume... It is fascinating to watch and observe.
Krongo FinFleet Lotka Volterra	Posted - 2006.10.24 14:09:00 - [282] I'm sorry that this had to happen, i liked KOS and always have been u ugys have alot of nice pilots. All i can say is god luck in the future and i hope i se u all again preferably on my side. Krongo
Major Tarsis Shinra Lotka Volterra	Posted - 2006.10.24 14:15:00 - [283] Originally by: Shadoo Originally by: Major Tarsis I actually heard this was going to happen before the 'Senate/CEO' meeting happened. MJ my friend, the only thing I scratch my head for still is -- if you obviously knew what the plan was -- you surely knew that the plan didn not involve to regroup in empire and come fight -V- and LV nor to set them negative. Ah well, part of the mystery of 0.0 alliance politics I presume... It is fascinating to watch and observe. Sorry I have re-read my posts and they are not fully clear. The intel I heard was KOS were planning on moving out of 'The Creek' and back to Empire to assist SMASH, this is being done by forming an Alliance or NAP with RA and this had already been setup to happen after the meeting (This was just before the Senate meeting so I presumed this was the only meeting of significance to be held). This information was passed to me 45 minutes before the meeting had started. If you want anymore infomation Evemail me in game as the above is public information now. But I will not go into anything else on these public boards. I did not approach any of LV with this info at this time as I had yet to confirm it (I hear alot of rumours many turn out to be complete makebelief). However this was confirmed after the meeting but by that time I was just confirming intel LV had already got from our enemies. MT My comments are purely in character and should not be considered a personal attack especially if taken out of context. - awaiting mods reply via email.
Plazmalord Soban Amarr Hounds Of War Knights Of the Southerncross	Posted - 2006.10.24 14:31:00 - [284] So its true u were informed before the meeting like demo said.
Elve Sorrow Amarr Shinra Lotka Volterra	Posted - 2006.10.24 14:32:00 - [285] Originally by: Plazmalord Soban So its true u were informed before the meeting like demo said. So its true it was decided before the meeting like we said? It's great being Amarr, aint it?
Major Tarsis Shinra Lotka Volterra	Posted - 2006.10.24 14:35:00 - [286] Originally by: Plazmalord Soban So its true u were informed before the meeting like demo said. This was in no way an official informing and was definately not done with Demogods approval. Therefore this can in no way be considered as informing us. If he had done then why did he outright lie about it later to LD? MT My comments are purely in character and should not be considered a personal attack especially if taken out of context. - awaiting mods reply via email.
Mallick Northern Intelligence SMASH Alliance	Posted - 2006.10.24 14:42:00 - [287] Admiral IceBlock says, Welcome. ;)
Murph Dog The Flying Tigers	Posted - 2006.10.24 14:44:00 - [288] Edited by: Murph Dog on 24/10/2006 14:48:20 Personally I can assure you that we [FT.C] are not to blame for your fall <KOS> . Poor planning, and inconsistent leadership were your biggest threats. FT.C didn't "Cry to LV" as you seem to think, but if you want a scapegoat then sure we make a great one, the only corp to vote against napping RA, who wanted to fight to the last system and last ship. Really though whats a council vote in a dictatorship mean anyway? I've still got hundreds of millions in ships locked in F-E because you didnt want to fight and decided to lay blame on a corp that dared to speak out against you. Those were ships to fight for Wicked Creek as I fought for and Lost Insmother due to the exact same POS strategy "let them have the moons we'll keep soverinity on hopes and dreams alone!!!" You decided these things behind your members backs while telling them the opposite until the eleventh hour, What did you think <LV> & <-V-> would do once they found out you were handing the region over to RA without a fight? Really guys, i bet they wouldn't send cake... Respect to those in <KOS> who tried so hard to hold N7- & QGQ, and to those who stood side by side in our gangs. Let it be a lesson, small towers and empty wallets do not hold soverinity... <KOS> is full of spies and agents, i'm positive you can look a little harder for your informant. Respect & Luck to those corps who've gone their ways, Best of luck to those who've stayed, you have a lot of good people. I will not, however stand idly by and watch you slander my corp and my honor with false accusations fabricated to shift focus from the real problem. An alliance run by egos will not last forever. I'd love to know what became of the billions of fees and costs but like the rest of what goes on in KOS Command, no one will ever know. And to remove any confusion, I was informed I am Kill on sight to KOS... so welcome to my crosshairs. -Murph Everyone's Favorite Canadian I apologize in advance if my comments bother you... you see the problem is... I don't give a damn.
Tuonela Rautamieli FinFleet Lotka Volterra	Posted - 2006.10.24 15:00:00 - [289] Edited by: Tuonela Rautamieli on 24/10/2006 15:01:57 T H E G A Y Originally by: Ediz Daxx Mommie. Yes i am here.
Shyalud Chosen Path Lotka Volterra	Posted - 2006.10.24 15:03:00 - [290] Any of you that think alliance politics is as cut and dry as many of you think are fooling yourselves. Things move fast in eve, and if you slack you miss the boat. Leaders have to make decisions based on the best possible information. Sometimes lack of information from a key party is something to be considered as well. Alliances are tricky enough to run "fairly" Try compounding that with a coalition and the burden of leadership becomes intense. The first responsibility of a leader is to be true to his own. An alliance leader has to be true to their alliance, while a corp leader has to be true to their corp. Quite simply, I'd rather be known as the type that looks after her own, and puts her real friends and corpmates in front of her "associates". One of the biggest things that kills a corp is when it's leadership is more concerned with the welfare of their alliance mates over their own corp members and the same goes for alliance leaders. Look after your own first then your associates. If you can look after everyone at the same time, then great. If not you have to prioritize. If a member of a coalition or alliance fails to live up to their "end of the deal" then decisions need to be made to rectify the situation. This whole LV and -V- vs. KOS is just anpther example of how things move fast in eve. There needs not be such emotion involved. LV and -V- are what remains of the coalition and we have to look after our own interests. KOS made their decisions and now we make ours. And just to head off the flames (yeah right), along with negotiating our way out of Tribute when D2 wtfpwned us, we also managed to get a ceasefire for a few other corps. Namely corps that D2 (the agressor and victor)recognized as deserving of a ceasfire. Such as Wigns of Turul (The Huns) who lost more then ANYONE in the conflict , Ragex and a few others. CHSN High Council Chosen Path Recruitment
Ace Frehley Minmatar The Corporation	Posted - 2006.10.24 15:05:00 - [291] Peepz outside LV -V- and the "old" Chimps can just put their stupid speculations and ideas how LV and -V- is usin alliances as meatshield. You dont know what some us did to "install" KOS in WC and all the curses some did on ts alliance chat about some of KOS incompetence. Their were a few KOS you can trust and it is sad those get dragged in to this. And as an old member I waasent supprised about this, and RA please stop with your worthless propaganda cuz even if I not in this conflict i seem to know more then your useless spies. Plus what happend to your all meatshield alliances when we first came?? Don¦t wanna drag up what happend to them etc etc, so with your screaming about chow is a yadda yadda, you as much yadda yadda. But i still hope i get some vodka when i get to Russia next time. Becauze I a very bad person with ladies I skip that part with ladies and take a dual ransom of vodka Girljerms is more lethal then a fleet of 1000 Tempests Yeah I¦m nude, I¦m a swede and I¦m armed with bad jokes
sakana Purgatorial Janitors Inc.	Posted - 2006.10.24 15:05:00 - [292] Plazma, you acuse my CEO and my Senator (who is/was me btw, but another director was standing in that on sunday as I had no mic) of running off and telling LV/-V-. however i would like to see your evidence for this. [PJI] is a corp who make their decisions AS A CORP, so while the senate meeting was going on, we were discussing what you were discussing. Just the day before we had decided to fight til the bitter end, we put a weeks worth of fuel in our Q-GQ deathstar and moved all our ships/mods there to make our last stand for the alliance we had so much fun flying with. But as the news of the proposed NAP with RAGOON came in we began to lose faith. Our Ceo and Senator asked what me and the other directors thought, we asked what the other members though, and everyone came to the same conclusion. We would leave KOS asap and have nothing to do with the new plans. It was a decision many of us made with sorrow, our CEO especially, and to have you acuse him of leaking anything is shameful. TBH if i was RAGOON i would have used one of my many alts i KOS to leak it to LV... sak
Plazmalord Soban Amarr Hounds Of War Knights Of the Southerncross	Posted - 2006.10.24 15:06:00 - [293] sakana i never accused you of this. I was told and still believe that it was Zilla of Flying tygers. I never accused u ... i just said i would miss you as you were a great gamer in kos and u had my respect.
Jim Linger	Posted - 2006.10.24 15:08:00 - [294] was it so bad you had to hit the self destruct button? Meh, more targets for me _____________________________________________
k1Lz Delta team Lotka Volterra	Posted - 2006.10.24 15:09:00 - [295] Good luck KOS and remember is nothing personal. PS: " T H E K E Y "
sakana Purgatorial Janitors Inc.	Posted - 2006.10.24 15:12:00 - [296] Originally by: Plazmalord Soban sakana i never accused you of this. I was told and still believe that it was Zilla of Flying tygers. I never accused u ... i just said i would miss you as you were a great gamer in kos and u had my respect. in that case, i apologise and remove my post. and as i said on our own boards, GL in the future.
Plazmalord Soban Amarr Hounds Of War Knights Of the Southerncross	Posted - 2006.10.24 15:20:00 - [297] Peace
Shadoo The Taining corp Knights Of the Southerncross	Posted - 2006.10.24 15:22:00 - [298] Originally by: LV RANK AND FILE " T H E K E Y " No matter how many times you say it, it will not unlock my Chastity Belt. Only Nebba has the R E A L K E Y.
sakana Purgatorial Janitors Inc.	Posted - 2006.10.24 15:23:00 - [299] Originally by: Shadoo Originally by: LV RANK AND FILE " T H E K E Y " No matter how many times you say it, it will not unlock my Chastity Belt. Only Nebba has the R E A L K E Y.
Robet Katrix Beagle Corp R0ADKILL	Posted - 2006.10.24 15:24:00 - [300] Originally by: k1Lz Good luck KOS and remember is nothing personal. PS: " T H E K E Y " is the whole point of the war dec that IT IS personal?
Plazmalord Soban Amarr Hounds Of War Knights Of the Southerncross	Posted - 2006.10.24 15:35:00 - [301] Edited by: Plazmalord Soban on 24/10/2006 15:37:40 the whole point is KOS took the option to save its own ass instead of being the cannon fodder and meatshield for LV. I ask anyone in EVE if they would stand in front of a Freight Train to buffer an alliance that is supposedly so much more superior than us in pvp. hell i dont know why they are so upset. without KOS in the way to screw up all the time such as we do... they will have plenty of RAGOON's to kill. Instead they war dec us. lol
Nebba Kenezzer Minmatar Shinra Lotka Volterra	Posted - 2006.10.24 15:39:00 - [302] Originally by: Plazmalord Soban the whole point is KOS took the option to save its own ass Thanks for clearing that up. <3 Shadoo Nebba - The Vocal Majority
Khorin D'tael Caldari State War Academy	Posted - 2006.10.24 15:46:00 - [303] So KOS are nowgoing to be SMASH/ROADKILL/RA puppets or am I missing something?
Shadoo The Taining corp Knights Of the Southerncross	Posted - 2006.10.24 15:49:00 - [304] Edited by: Shadoo on 24/10/2006 15:54:26 Edited by: Shadoo on 24/10/2006 15:50:54 Originally by: Khorin D'tael am I missing something? Posting with your main?
Jeune Terran Robotics Knights Of the Southerncross	Posted - 2006.10.24 15:53:00 - [305] First, my opinion is not necessarily that of my corp or Alliance. Taking into consideration My short time in KOS Participating in gangs for -V-/LV defense against RA/Goon Seeing no CTA from -V-/LV to defend KOS The sheer volume of BS piled in this thread The Wardec's on an ally when they're down I can safely say that I'd rather go down in flames with KOS (if that happens) than ever be LV.
Plazmalord Soban Amarr Hounds Of War Knights Of the Southerncross	Posted - 2006.10.24 16:06:00 - [306] Edited by: Plazmalord Soban on 24/10/2006 16:10:35 Edited by: Plazmalord Soban on 24/10/2006 16:09:25 agreed brother... and nebba speaks... wasnt you the smart one who decided to engage an enemy a few weeks ago in an entirely lagged out system getting on the KOS ts and YELLING like were dogs to jump into the fight for you. .... yea i think it was.... smart call that was brainchild. that fight killed the server too if i remember correctly.
Keww	Posted - 2006.10.24 16:17:00 - [307] I was proud to fly with the FCÆs in KOS and believe they did a good job. There are many pilots in KOS who I still and will always have respect for as they did a great job all things considered. And with that being saidà Who was it that left all the towers unfueled, unarmed, and off lined in N7-? That ineffective strategy cost KOS dearly as we lost insmother. We were then assured that it was a mistake and would not happen again. We regroup to WC area were we should now be even more fortified due to the fact that assets were moved from insmother to wc for defense. Once again the "speed bump" approach to ensuring soventry goes into effect and small towers are anchored and not on lined or fueled. Q-gq had 23 moons making it an easy defense (with on lined and fueled towers) So why did we protect one of our most important systems with small off lined towers? It didn't work in N7- what made the leadership think it would work in q-gq? If the excuse is that no one knew then they should have been listening to my CEO every senate meeting as he asked why they were offline without response week after week. I blame the leadership of KOS for all this. Who the heck puts someone in charge of POS's that doesn't know what they heck they are doing and then never check up on them. Your tactics for insuring soventry did nothing more than to invite an attack, you may as well have painted large bullÆs-eyeÆs on the sides of those POS's. RA saw a week spot and capitalized on it, just good strat on their part plain and simple. I have respect for the pilots and FCÆs of KOS, but no confidence in the leadership (Dumbogod) due to their own actions, lack there of, inability to learn form their mistakes, or take credit for their [Expletive Deleted] ups. As far as the coalition goes, it is true we have helped get towers out of re-enforced mode on several occasions. That however is totally different from asking for help to remove RA death stars and regain sov that was just handed off through sheer stupidity and redundant mistakes made on the part of KOS leadership. I am sure that if we had needed help to get towers out of re-enforced mode help would have been on the way. But due to the stupidity of KOS leadership we were left asking for help to regain sov and eliminate death stars because KOS leadership made the same mistakes from N7- again, huge difference IMHO. I for one canÆt blame them for not rushing to KOS defense; after all it was KOS leadership that made q-gq such a tempting target not unlike what happened in N7- not too long ago. If you are looking at someone to blame for this mess or someone to be angry with take a look at the people in charge and start asking them what the [Expletive Deleted] they were thinking making the same mistakes over again then attempting to switch the focus of anger to a Corp that has the fortitude to stand up and say we will not compromise our honor just to sweep the stupidity of KOS leadership (fc's not included) under the carpet no matter the cost. Nice job handing RA 2 regions KOS leadership (Dumbogod), please donÆt be upset with us due to your own stupidity. Keww
Shadoo The Taining corp Knights Of the Southerncross	Posted - 2006.10.24 16:18:00 - [308] Now, now Plazma. Let's not be offensive or bitter. -V- was fighting on the other side, we had to jump in to help. I ordered the jump, thou I knew the system would lag us the worst (last ones to load syndrome) -- but you go in to help your friends in a fight. It was fun, for the 7x11 slugs I got to shoot.
Kingsman Gallente The Flying Tigers	Posted - 2006.10.24 16:25:00 - [309] Originally by: Plazmalord Soban We asked of all the corps leaders to keep this qiet until Demogod was able to explain fully was was taking place. Originally by: Plazmalord Soban As for not telling your alliance's V and LV we in the senate meeting were under the impression demo was in talks with you about it and we were assured you were informed about it and would be again after the meeting. So if they were so well informed as we were obviously led to believe in this meeting then wouldn't it make sense that the keeping it quiet part was meant to keep enemies uninformed but that our allies were already aware of the situation. And if that was the case what was the problem with asking those informed allies for docking rights? Again we NEVER implied, stated or anything else that KOS had any plans to set coalition members neg. And in spite of your treatment of us we still have not disclosed anything else that was discussed in that meeting. "Nothing is fool-proof to a sufficiently talented fool."
Kuolematon Space Perverts and Forum Warriors United	Posted - 2006.10.24 16:30:00 - [310] PERVS fully endorse abuse of suas ! Part of forum movement known as "It's great being Amarr, aint it?Ö" To be Kali, or not to be Lagi
Plazmalord Soban Amarr Hounds Of War Knights Of the Southerncross	Posted - 2006.10.24 16:32:00 - [311] np shadoo i knew they had u under the gun... it was still a dumb move. and who was that fleet that stayed back two jumps behind us when we charged in to help Save -V- and Keww ... what corp was u with ? u say the leadership failed when it was the leadership that was screaming to get the towers up 6 weeks ago. it was the corporations in KOS who failed on that not the leadership. they didnt want to take down their towers to anchor up q-gq. Demo Demanded they do so the senate agreed to do so... why didnt it happen? cause the corps didnt make it happen. and the smalls were in place only until the corporations in KOS put up the large towers ( which never happened ) I agree this is the 3rd time now that this has happened. Never again will this happen. Doesnt matter KOS lost the will to fight for LV / V Tired of getting wiped out everytime we engaged the enemy in Massive conflicts. If looking out for the interests of KOS by accepting a cease fire NAP with RA GOON to leave the area and save our remaining Assets is wrong then .. Im guilty. lol its not like if i was robbed at gunpoint in a bank would i stand there and say ... oh no u cant have my watch... BANG YOUR DEAD SUCKA ! and die over it.
Keww The Flying Tigers	Posted - 2006.10.24 17:17:00 - [312] Originally by: and Keww ... what corp was u with ? u say the leadership failed when it was the leadership that was screaming to get the towers up 6 weeks ago. it was the corporations in KOS who failed on that not the leadership. they didnt want to take down their towers to anchor up q-gq. Demo Demanded they do so the senate agreed to do so... why didnt it happen? cause the corps didnt make it happen. and the smalls were in place only until the corporations in KOS put up the large towers ( which never happened ) I agree this is the 3rd time now that this has happened. Never again will this happen.[/quote The first time it happened sould have been the last .. here we are on number 3? So what you are saying is it is ok to leave these unfueled and off lined for 6 weeks because it really was someone elses fault for not setting up something else faster? Well why were they not fueled and onlined while you were waiting for corps to set up in q-gq? This is exactly what my post was about, inability to accept responsibility for your(KOS leadership) actions or lack there of. My guess is that the leadership will have a ton of excuses as to why this happened, none of which will focus on the fact that they [Explative Deleted]it up AGAIN plain and simple. If you knew Corps were dragging thier feet you should have kept those towers fueled and ready to go into re enforced mode .. but instead you chose the option of letting them sit unfueled and offline ready to fall and squeeling it's not our(KOS leadership) fault Corps were suppost to set up there??? Well you may by that song and dance but I do not. Off line tower are little more than an open invatation for trouble and by your own addmission you let them sit for 6 weeks knowing this was a potential issue, and now it is simpley just not your fault and you blame the member Corps for not acting faster. I am still wondering how it is that small offline towers without fuel insure sov? Screeming to get towers up and then leaving the ones that are there without fuel and off lined? Sorry this just doesn't add up to me and sounds like anouther excuse for poor leadership and POS managment in an attemp to shift the focus of anger/blame. Wishing you all the best in your future efforts. Keww Proud member of the FLYING TIGERS
Jim Eat	Posted - 2006.10.24 17:17:00 - [313] Edited by: Jim Eat on 24/10/2006 17:17:46 Edited by: Jim Eat on 24/10/2006 17:17:30
Redbad Minmatar Vengeance of the Fallen Imperium Alliance	Posted - 2006.10.24 17:24:00 - [314] 11 pages of pointing fingers ... cool! --- embrace the fire from the East.
Bonaduce	Posted - 2006.10.24 18:04:00 - [315] Was there any doubt that kos would suffer from the losing end of this lil coalition with people like Plaz in the senority slots of the alliance?
Plazmalord Soban Amarr Hounds Of War Knights Of the Southerncross	Posted - 2006.10.24 18:13:00 - [316] With all due respect keww... wait... thats right ... i have none for ya. you are one of those who rabble rabble and i didnt see u stepping up to fill in the void. I did see alot of flying tygers tho in S0- hunting rats when we would get CTA's called tho.
Plazmalord Soban Amarr Hounds Of War Knights Of the Southerncross	Posted - 2006.10.24 18:16:00 - [317] Originally by: Bonaduce Was there any doubt that kos would suffer from the losing end of this lil coalition with people like Plaz in the senority slots of the alliance? lol
MironCosszma NEXT LEVEL	Posted - 2006.10.24 18:21:00 - [318] actualy LV/V problems isnt KOS or lousing another region ...the true problem is : RA/GOONS are closer then they think ..each week coalition lost space .....and foooook ascn are not there anymore to back up them . -------------------------- They say the plane and the ordinary are rule by fate And heroic chouse their own destiny I desagree, Samtimes,destiny chouses the Hero.
Frodo Amarr Shinra Lotka Volterra	Posted - 2006.10.24 18:28:00 - [319] KOS leadership= "Oh Noes lets NAP RA They will kill us so bad we must leave" Reality= LV will pwn you worse than RA ever did or could. Life is a B***** then you die! Holler @ Ya boy!!!!
Hawkings SJ Caldari FATAL REVELATIONS Lotka Volterra	Posted - 2006.10.24 18:28:00 - [320] Originally by: Redbad 11 pages of pointing fingers ... cool! It's just like when IMP collapsed after G gave up on them!
Plazmalord Soban Amarr Hounds Of War Knights Of the Southerncross	Posted - 2006.10.24 18:31:00 - [321] Originally by: Frodo KOS leadership= "Oh Noes lets NAP RA They will kill us so bad we must leave" Reality= LV will pwn you worse than RA ever did or could. Life is a B***** then you die! Holler @ Ya boy!!!! shave your feet!
Jim Eat	Posted - 2006.10.24 18:33:00 - [322] Edited by: Jim Eat on 24/10/2006 18:32:51
Heldane Amarr 1st Praetorian Guard Vigilia Valeria	Posted - 2006.10.24 18:34:00 - [323] Edited by: Heldane on 24/10/2006 18:36:21 I keep hearing referances to KOS handing over WC without a fight. From all appearances they did fight, alone and with no real help from their compatriots in the coalition, unfortunately they lost. Now as far as to why they did not inform the other coalition members as to their intentions in a timely manner I cannot say, but considering the amount of use these allies seemed to be leading up to this point one could assume that perhaps they felt they had already been written off. At such a time the leaders of the alliance made a decision to save themselves, and while the bravery the flying tigers showed in their willingness to fight to the last man is commendable, it is not always the prudent move for one responsible for the welfare of many corporations under the alliance banner. Signs are all pointing to a shift in power in the regions in question. Pray that the other sharks do not sense fresh blood in the water.
Keww The Flying Tigers	Posted - 2006.10.24 18:34:00 - [324] Edited by: Keww on 24/10/2006 18:35:47 Originally by: Plazmalord Soban With all due respect keww... wait... thats right ... i have none for ya. you are one of those who rabble rabble and i didnt see u stepping up to fill in the void. I did see alot of flying tygers tho in S0- hunting rats when we would get CTA's called tho. Fair enough Plazma as I'm not seeking your respect. Not sure you are entirely accurate about FT.C ratting during cta but hey this is your fantisy world we are in as you refuse to address anything realisticaly. I still don't see you addressing issues, but instead you make an attempt to refocus attention by claiming FT.C rats during CTA's. More bad mouthing FT.C will not make you a better leader or cover up the monumental [Explative deleted] ups made by KOS leadership. I guess you have to stick with the tactics you know even when they are futile at best. If that's the best you can do, congrats I'm crying in my beer, NOT! Once again wishing you the best in your future efforts. Keww Proud member of the FLYING TIGERS
LWMaverick Quam Singulari Lotka Volterra	Posted - 2006.10.24 18:37:00 - [325] YARRRRRRRRRRRR Finally. <3
Malev Volos Caldari Fortunate Few	Posted - 2006.10.24 18:45:00 - [326] On a side note, I spent my weekend helping KOS escort their haulers, shooting up RA & Goons in the process... didn't even get a T-Shirt, but what I did get was podded by KOS after I had been in their gang... I must have been a trecherous fellow loosing my ships for KOS, that i deserved a podding. I don't understand the thoughts behind all this, all I can say is a friend of my enemy is my enemy also... and that takes into account LV and -V- policy, explaining or no explaining, its stupid to NAP an enemy and not consult with the coalition, you forget the chain that is there... now just fight.. I have flown with many a KOS I respect lots, they have some great FC's but there is a lack of direction. I love KOS, but now must live on the other side of the fence, I like the coalition more.. safe flying and luck on the fields of battle. Malev P.S. I am former UMC, KOS member as -FTW is the new UMC, after we decided to leave because we were thought to be a Mining corporation... even after we were 10th on the KB's with approx 30 members... must have been killing Roids badly... These are my opinions, and my opinions only they do not reflect the opinions of my corp in any way Its my sig.. if you don't like my sig, don't read it ^_^
Plazmalord Soban Amarr Hounds Of War Knights Of the Southerncross	Posted - 2006.10.24 18:48:00 - [327] malev who shot you and why ?
Frodo Amarr Shinra Lotka Volterra	Posted - 2006.10.24 18:49:00 - [328] Edited by: Frodo on 24/10/2006 18:51:34 Originally by: Plazmalord Soban Originally by: Frodo KOS leadership= "Oh Noes lets NAP RA They will kill us so bad we must leave" Reality= LV will pwn you worse than RA ever did or could. Life is a B*** then you die! Holler @ Ya boy!!!! shave your feet! No thanks I prefer them hairy so when I walk all over your S*** Fleet again* You can give me a good ol hairy foot massage just the way you like it. THanks for the BS loot again KOS!!!!! * http://www.eve-ams.net/killsearch.jsp Location:1L-OEK Date:Oct 23,2006
MobyMule Minmatar PoliCratton Technologies Knights Of the Southerncross	Posted - 2006.10.24 19:31:00 - [329] Edited by: MobyMule on 24/10/2006 19:31:31 Edited by: MobyMule on 24/10/2006 19:31:02 Originally by: Heldane Edited by: Heldane on 24/10/2006 18:36:21 I keep hearing referances to KOS handing over WC without a fight. From all appearances they did fight, alone and with no real help from their compatriots in the coalition, unfortunately they lost. Now as far as to why they did not inform the other coalition members as to their intentions in a timely manner I cannot say, but considering the amount of use these allies seemed to be leading up to this point one could assume that perhaps they felt they had already been written off. At such a time the leaders of the alliance made a decision to save themselves, and while the bravery the flying tigers showed in their willingness to fight to the last man is commendable, it is not always the prudent move for one responsible for the welfare of many corporations under the alliance banner. Signs are all pointing to a shift in power in the regions in question. Pray that the other sharks do not sense fresh blood in the water. I have to say that Shadoo has already done a great job of the ins and outs of why. Yes we did fight and without help except from a few outside the alliance. It was not pretty but it was fun. Life goes on and so do we.
Mortiaca Caldari Freedom-Technologies Knights Of the Southerncross	Posted - 2006.10.24 19:40:00 - [330] Wow I finally reached the end of the thread..... In some ways I find 12 pages of this fertilizer funny in other ways I find it down right sad. I don't know where to begin. So I'll just go into some random thoughts on this. Our corp particularly have gone thru just about every hellfire flame and cookery there is down here in the south. It's rather interesting because as our corp grows stronger and stronger with every new thing we lose it seems that others grow weaker. Eve is a game of chess people. Simply put. Life in general is. Personally I was one of those senators and my CEO and I discussed it. We decided that the NAP with RA was better than losing every asset we had in 0.0 a THIRD TIME because of someone elses inability. Sorry guys clear cut and dry a 45 man corp can't hold off a storm trooping enemy coming in and dropping the a-bomb on us and the whole area lol. We tried as best we could and fought our asses off along with a few other corps. I'll be totally honest I have seen KOS be on the front lines of this whole war. Hell Freedom Technologies was on the front lines of the war before we were even in KOS. So when V and LV say they had to help KOS alot. Well no pucky there sherlock. Maybe that is because all the enemies are attacking us not you. I think you'll figure that one out soon enough. Trying not to go too far into the internals of KOS but yes as any alliance it has it's problems. Freedom Technologies are staying with KOS and hoping to be a part of changing things to get rid of some of the a larger problems. What I see in here are alot of bad decisions. I do not know why Demogod denied the NAP. I would assume because he had not actually spoken to LD yet and was not ready to be questioned about it. When put in the spot light unexpectedly many of us will freeze up and spit out whatever **** comes to mind. LV / V I think you have more problems to worry about than us. Why don't you continue your war let us pull the hell out of it instead of making it harder on yourselves. I don't think you really know what is coming your way. Either that or you are too egotistical to admit it. All this eve-o forums propaganda of "We're too cool for that" makes me wanna puke. I hope you aren't telling your troops that you aren't in to get drug thru the mud and then set on fire. There are alot of things about the way some people think when running guilds / corps / alliances that I don't even try to understand. Maybe this is why Freedom Technologies formed from 2 other corps 1 of which I know was formed from a guild back on another game over 5 years if not 6 or 7 ago are still around... Simply because we don't understand the way you people think. It makes no sense to us what so ever. The currently policy of throw your friend in the water, tell them to swim. When they are drowning so badly they will reach for anyone's hand including someone who has been shooting at them the whole time you as their friend step on their head. The ironic part is while you are too busy getting revenge for a simple failure and not trechery your enemies are going to line up behind you... laugh while you are stepping on our heads and then shoot you. There is so much finger pointing and propaganda in this thread no one has actually sat down and said this.... If a corp fails the whole corp failed. If an alliance fails the whole alliance failed. If a coalition fails the whole coalition failed. No matter who you are no matter what you did you are either guilty of making the decision, not stopping the decision, considering the decision to not be your problem, or thinking it was not that big of a deal to involve you. It's funny when people succeed how the whole group will take credit but when they fail no one will take blame. I will be the first to say as a member of KOS this is all partially my fault. Now LV and V where is your blame for the loss of WC. Were you not a part of that coalition?
Felinuszzz Caldari Demon Womb	Posted - 2006.10.24 19:43:00 - [331] Well KOS, it was really fun flying with some of you - I met some great PvPers in my time with you, and learned a lot. It was really terrible putting up with all the military-style trash from some of you - I did not like the way some aspects of the Alliance were run, in particular the fact that as an individual I was incapable of voicing my opinions about these things due to Alliance "protocol". It was really pathetic how you lost Wicked Creek, forgetting to refuel POSes. It was shameful how for a few days after we all knew QGQ would fall, nobody would admit anything publically (not even in Alliance chat or on TS), and the leadership failed to provide KOS members with a distinct and clear-cut plan. For a few days, everyone I asked was telling me all we could do was "wait for orders". Murph Dog from F.T.C (You're calling them traitors? They fought for you long and hard. What a backstab.) said it the best: "And to remove any confusion, I was informed I am Kill on sight to KOS... so welcome to my crosshairs." ---------
Zoraks Gallente Ascending Dawn	Posted - 2006.10.24 20:10:00 - [332] oh the drama
Cmd Woodlouse Solidline Enterprise Kith of Venal	Posted - 2006.10.24 20:18:00 - [333] Originally by: KIATolon Just like we saw your 10,000 man coalition was TOO BUSY to help us in cache. Uh Oh... dont bite urself in ur own arse here. Erm, Tribute, erm... -------------------------------- Spain ftw!
Sneetches Shinra Lotka Volterra	Posted - 2006.10.24 20:30:00 - [334] It is an unfortunate turn of events. Yeah the coalition had its issues, but so does every large group of people. The problem really seems to be a breakdown in communication that led to this point. To be honest, most pilots i knew in LV had no clue what was going in KOS space. There are several posts on our forum asking for status, where are we needed, etc. What i do know is that most, if not all of us, wanted to help, but had no intel to go on. Several of us even tried to find out where/when we were needed but were told everything was ok or not need right now. I'm not trying to lay blame on anyone here fellas, but just like its not fair to paint KOS members with the same brush as some leaders, its not fiar to say LV wanted you to fall when i know that isn't true. It awlays easy to take the words of one or two people and spin them into a generality though. I will miss flying with guys like Rhang and Shadoo as well as numerous other hard working KOS pilots who do immense credit to their alliance and to the coalition. Fly safe fellas and no hard feelings from me when we do meet. - Sneetches "Madness takes its toll. Please have exact change ready!"
Rover Vitesse Gallente Crisis Corp Lotka Volterra	Posted - 2006.10.24 20:34:00 - [335] Originally by: Plazmalord Soban and Keww ... what corp was u with ? u say the leadership failed when it was the leadership that was screaming to get the towers up 6 weeks ago. it was the corporations in KOS who failed on that not the leadership. they didnt want to take down their towers to anchor up q-gq. Demo Demanded they do so the senate agreed to do so... why didnt it happen? cause the corps didnt make it happen. and the smalls were in place only until the corporations in KOS put up the large towers ( which never happened ) I agree this is the 3rd time now that this has happened. Never again will this happen. Doesnt matter KOS lost the will to fight for LV / V Tired of getting wiped out everytime we engaged the enemy in Massive conflicts. If looking out for the interests of KOS by accepting a cease fire NAP with RA GOON to leave the area and save our remaining Assets is wrong then .. Im guilty. lol its not like if i was robbed at gunpoint in a bank would i stand there and say ... oh no u cant have my watch... BANG YOUR DEAD SUCKA ! and die over it. Right then, thats it in a nutshell. The KOS "leadership" knew that they had inadequate defences against the classic RA tactic of POS spam. They just couldn't be bothered to ensure that their defences were up. They lose their stations. Then, they're suddenly surprised that their members don't want to fight for such a useless bunch of "leaders", so they make a NAP with their enemy to run away with their assets while they can. Only a complete fool would realise that this would leave a massive power vacuum in Wicked Creek...to be filled with more enemies of their former allies. Look at all the Goons itching for homes. Obviously negotiating a NAP with RA and Goon before telling your allies about it makes sense...doesn't it? I truly am amazed by the obtuseness of your leadership. To all the pilots in KOS who I have flown with in the past year or so, I extend my gratitude. Tactically, you guys were great. Your Leaders and their "strategy" was like watching a train crash. ps: Ace Frehley, I am banning your IP from our forums.... Rovers Chronicles
Gjs312 Caldari Custodes Valhallae Knights Of the Southerncross	Posted - 2006.10.24 20:48:00 - [336] Originally by: Heldane Edited by: Heldane on 24/10/2006 18:36:21 I keep hearing referances to KOS handing over WC without a fight. From all appearances they did fight, alone and with no real help from their compatriots in the coalition, unfortunately they lost. Now as far as to why they did not inform the other coalition members as to their intentions in a timely manner I cannot say, but considering the amount of use these allies seemed to be leading up to this point one could assume that perhaps they felt they had already been written off. At such a time the leaders of the alliance made a decision to save themselves, and while the bravery the flying tigers showed in their willingness to fight to the last man is commendable, it is not always the prudent move for one responsible for the welfare of many corporations under the alliance banner. Signs are all pointing to a shift in power in the regions in question. Pray that the other sharks do not sense fresh blood in the water. What is this crap? A post that actually makes sense in here? I thought I was just supposed to let LV tell me everything I ever wanted to know about KOS. Weird.
Emmerlaine Gallente Crab and Krawdad Enterprises	Posted - 2006.10.24 20:49:00 - [337] KOS is not "just" getting their stuff out and never were. KOS is camping gates in combined forces with RA and shooting at both LV and -V-. I have seen it with my own eyes.
Plazmalord Soban Amarr Hounds Of War Knights Of the Southerncross	Posted - 2006.10.24 20:57:00 - [338] Originally by: Emmerlaine KOS is not "just" getting their stuff out and never were. KOS is camping gates in combined forces with RA and shooting at both LV and -V-. I have seen it with my own eyes. Yea I did too.... Self defence ...nubbin
Shyalud Chosen Path Lotka Volterra	Posted - 2006.10.24 21:01:00 - [339] Originally by: Cmd Woodlouse Edited by: Cmd Woodlouse on 24/10/2006 20:28:18 Originally by: KIATolon Just like we saw your 10,000 man coalition was TOO BUSY to help us in cache. Uh Oh... dont bite urself in ur arse here. Erm, Tribute, erm... Woody, are you married? CHSN High Council Chosen Path Recruitment
Sister 9 Phung Hoang Social Club	Posted - 2006.10.24 21:08:00 - [340] nice to see what's LV does to it's allies. swallows them up and ****s them out the arse
Bankotsu Li	Posted - 2006.10.24 21:09:00 - [341] Regardless of what's happened to lead to this point, KOS is still full of members willing to fight. It's a game. If we're at war with someone, so be it. Let's fight, and have a good time doing it. Don't be fooled Emmerlaine, LV was and is camping gates too. There were pilots in V and LV that couldn't wait to come and hunt down KOS members, and vice versa. It's war, it's a game, and it's full of people that are here for the thrill of the hunt. With that said, happy hunting to all. Keep your crosshairs hot m8s. All of you, red and blue alike, cheers! -Bank- Beer heals all wounds
Valkazm Amarr Cursed Spawn	Posted - 2006.10.24 21:11:00 - [342] Originally by: Emmerlaine KOS is not "just" getting their stuff out and never were. KOS is camping gates in combined forces with RA and shooting at both LV and -V-. I have seen it with my own eyes. OH MY GOD STOP THE PRESSES KOS seriously are you planning on shooting back omg thats no way to lay down and die i cant belive it i thought you fitted cargo expanders on your battleships Cursed Spawn recruitment
Guderian Gallente Shinra Lotka Volterra	Posted - 2006.10.24 21:14:00 - [343] Originally by: LadyScarlet If you rememeber all the forum drama From when snra left the five you will remember a certain log from chowdown approching RA for a nap when they planned on leaving us im sure those logs could eaisly resurface again so lets not get into the whole atuk backstab people bit, its so easy to forget the past and try to drag others names into a new war but you might want to stick to the curent topic and not relive all that again might make for soem good reading in this post whoa easy there bobbieboy, put back on your tin foil hat. My reference to ATUK was merely to take a dip at RA for their hate towards your former corp which I believe they accused of being the real reason for the -5- vs. RA conflict. "Blessed is he, who walks through life in ignorance, 'cause he does not know the dangers that lies beyond."
Qing Tian Gallente Bubble Tea Cafe	Posted - 2006.10.24 21:24:00 - [344] Hello all My name is Qing Tian, and I am CEO of Bubble Tea Cafe. We were formerly member of KOS, we left after the cease fire with RA. I would like to contribute a few things to what happened. I think that all party involved in one way or another to cause the end. In eastern philosophy, we like to call this Kharma/karma. In another phrase, you reap what you sow. 1. KOS screwed up as an alliance. KOS didn't screw up just because of one person. We all did (include myself). The day after N-7 fell, I was online and participated in the emergency meeting afterward. One thing that I felt was that we weren't come up with a plan. One thing that were suggested were we need take inventory of moons in Q-GQ, F-E etc... Next day, I did that myself, and the situation was disheartening. I think I saw 2 or 3 Large Control Tower active per system, with numerous offline small control tower. I submitted report to KOS's leadership, and at beginning of RA invasion we got 7 Large POS in Q-GQ. Suffice to say, the corps in KOS include myself didn't put sufficient effort to fill up system. 2. KOS - the red haired step child of Coalition. I think KOS was always seem as a paper tiger who couldn't fight out the beg. Maybe it's real, maybe it's not. Part of it is that LV and -V- didn't really ever try to put KOS in an equal footing. I think if LV and -V- have slightly different opinion, it will be some what different situation today. All in all, what's been done is done. Let's look into future and make the best of the situation. Thanks, Qing Tian CEO of Bubble Tea Cafe (BBBL)
Bankotsu Li Minmatar Terran Robotics Knights Of the Southerncross	Posted - 2006.10.24 21:54:00 - [345] Originally by: Emmerlaine KOS is camping gates in combined forces with RA and shooting at both LV and -V-. I have seen it with my own eyes. Don't fool yourself Emmerlaine. There were pleanty of V and LV pilots that, when they heard about the wardec, formed up as fast as they could and headed our way, and vice versa. There are camps established on both sides of this war. The fact is, this is a game that embraces PvP, and that's excatly what we're doing now. The past is the past. For those of us on different schedules went to sleep that night wondering what the coalition was going to do about the loss of Q-GQ. We woke up to discover an enoromous shift of "allies" and "enemies." Does this bother me? No. Not at all. There are pleanty of KOS pilots willing to fight, and I look forward to participating. I don't have ideas of grandure lurking in the back of my mind. The fight will not be easy, and I look forward to learning from every engagement. -Bank- Terran Robotics Knights of the Southerncross "The day you underestimate your opponent is the day you die."
DeeCo Shinra Lotka Volterra	Posted - 2006.10.24 22:03:00 - [346] For the Record: I was previously within KOS until the N7 ordeal, in case you wonder why I'm submitting my input. Magically, the KOS Alliance failed to put up "Death Star" POS's within N7-; therefore, causing the Red Alliance to come into the system and wrecking havoc upon KOS. Furthermore, KOS didn't even have guns on most of their POS's within N7-. It was a shooting gallery for the Red Alliance. The coalition busted their ass to help move KOS out of N7 and retreat back to Wicked Creek. I remember LV, V, etc being there cause they even helped me get the heck out of Dodge. Now, Wicked Creek has fallen due to the same darn events, as in the N7 ordeal. This demogod fella did know RA was coming for them, as it's on their personal webpage in the public forum. "1 RA Large pos at 7-7" under the topic: Index + ENEMY POS's + Q-QG. Reference: http://www.kos-alliance.com/modules/forums/viewtopic.php?id=1585 (Hopefully they don't delete it now) This was back on 2 Oct 06, approximately 21 days before the Red Alliance took their system. Shouldn't this have been a clue to start setting up "Death Stars"? Just remember, this is a game and there are specific ways to "win" in this game. LV, V, etc., knows it, and completes their objectives. RA knows it, and they do it well. If the KOS leadership were to get their heads out of their ass and realize what it took, they would have too. Bottom line, they didn't freaking care. If you can't handle being in the leadership position, the by golly, step the smack down from that position. Someone needed to be checking on every POS within the system EVERY DAY to make sure it fit the guidelines set by the Coalition. You FAILED in doing as such, and RA knew it, they scouted and then they conquered! Who ever was in charge of the POS on that given week/month needed to send up a report on how much fuel they have, what weapons they have in place etc. This would give the information officer for that system, to make sure everything was in place. Checks and Balances. IÆm trying not to make this a KOS hate session, but I brought all this stuff to the attention of my former CEO of the Shadows of the Dead. We all pay for this game, we all should have some kind of voice. But I donÆt think anything was passed along or ignored. There are some brilliant people playing this game. Use those people you have in your corps to make things better for everyone. There is a guy in my new corp, Shinra, who has his Masters degree in Finance. ItÆs outstanding with the ideas he has. Furthermore, KOS had/has some awesome people within the alliance. I just hope you guys realize who youÆre following and stop the drama and leave to find a new home. ItÆs your playing time your messing with. Just donÆt waste your time by following people that just arenÆt leaders in real life. People can fake the funk on a game, and itÆs harder to see they arenÆt leaders until itÆs too late and you waste your ISK and your precious TIME. Lastly, IÆve been noticing KOS has been calling out to LV, V, etc., on them not coming to bail them out of a sticky situation in Wicked Creek. For the love of pete, you knew this was coming, and you didnÆt prepare for it. ItÆs harder than smack to combat RA when they put up their own Death Stars in your system. Which my gut feeling tells me you knew what they were doing in the first place (see demodudes post above), but didnÆt care? I donÆt know, IÆm not in the loop, IÆm the FNG within Shinra, so IÆll just speculate from a distance I recon. Well anyways, IÆve rambled on long enough. Fly safe and try to have fun on this GAME. V/R - Dee Proud member of Shinra -LV-
Rover Vitesse Gallente Crisis Corp Lotka Volterra	Posted - 2006.10.24 22:49:00 - [347] Originally by: Mortiaca It's funny when people succeed how the whole group will take credit but when they fail no one will take blame. I will be the first to say as a member of KOS this is all partially my fault. Now LV and V where is your blame for the loss of WC. Were you not a part of that coalition? Your own people have said that you did not POS the moons up properly. How can you expect anyone to think any different? What would you like me to do? Fly around every station system that you control and POS them up, arm them up, and refuel them every week? You have been broken by your own leaderships ineptitude. To expect sympathy from Allies who have loaned you plenty of POS equipment, and plenty of fuel, which you then failed to use due to laziness, is absurd. For the record, how many Large POS did Freedom-Technologies have securing soveriegnty in your station systems? Nobody in V or LV has said that your pilots were unwilling to fight in stand-up, everyday fighting. Nobody has questioned their willingness to turn up in large fleets for specific ops. Your leadership has told the world that you couldn't be bothered to properly protect your systems from the POS-zerg that you knew RA were capable and willing to do. Modern Warfare in Eve is more than just turning up with ships and willing pilots. Get your logistics right first, and no matter how many dreads and support the enemy turns up with, the server will crash before they can be used effectively. But you learnt that in C-J6MT, along with the rest of the Coalition. Didn't you? Rovers Chronicles
General Novartic Minmatar The Taining corp Knights Of the Southerncross	Posted - 2006.10.24 22:50:00 - [348] Ok, finally after talking to many people to clarify this crap these are my thoughts. I have only been with the KOS for 1 and a half months and I have to say that this IS (was thanks to you lot) the best alliance that I have ever been in my entire 1 and a half years of playing eve. For once I actually find an alliance that can put words into actions and thoughts into reality on game. RA and GOON have been fighting way before I joined this alliance and corp. I have worked very close to many of our senior and high leaders (FC/CEO/SEN) and they have done a dam good job and I pay tribute to them all for doing this. RA and Goon have been pushing the KOS for many nights and day's, and even when L needed help we came and helped them even though we were taking losses. Now, this is what I donÆt understand. Were you when we needed help? Were was the almighty LV and L when we needed them hay??? I bet you they were doing PVP ops up in Dekland and Fade. O yes people I have seen many LV in Fade and Dek last month when I was in my last alliance. Now why also is it that you took less time to get your entire fleets into KOS space to pop us? Then it took you to help us take out goon and RA??? Hu? Personally I think that your entire topic here defeats the objective. Rather to look at this topic and to say how god like LV and L are, please think again. The only time I ever saw them was when I was NPCing and helping them out. Never once did I see them helping us out. DonÆt you think thatÆs a little cowardly of you. (This does not apply to those who did bother to get off there asses and help there allies.) http://www.n-computers.co.uk/other/eve/evesig.jpg signature removed (max dimensions 120px * 400px) - please email us if you want to know why - Pirlouit([email protected])
shadyfox99 Caldari Sniggerdly	Posted - 2006.10.24 22:58:00 - [349] LOL. I've been in LV (a while ago and albeit only for a short while) and i've fought against KOS, etc, etc, so i find this whole topic pretty damn funny. So let me get this straight....it is now RA+GOON+KOS vs The Coalition (which is now, V and LV? Is there one more alliance?) TBH, I'd say RA and CO have a pretty good chance to win or atleast take back more space. If the Coalition couldn't finish off just RA back then, how are they going to take down RA with the aid of two other alliances? This is great! Originally by: HostageTaker Use your brain and use your main! OMFG I just rhymed!
Dragerest Omega Enterprises Dusk and Dawn	Posted - 2006.10.24 23:16:00 - [350] Edited by: Dragerest on 24/10/2006 23:16:34 Originally by: shadyfox99 LOL. I've been in LV (a while ago and albeit only for a short while) and i've fought against KOS, etc, etc, so i find this whole topic pretty damn funny. So let me get this straight....it is now RA+GOON+KOS vs The Coalition (which is now, V and LV? Is there one more alliance?) TBH, I'd say RA and CO have a pretty good chance to win or atleast take back more space. If the Coalition couldn't finish off just RA back then, how are they going to take down RA with the aid of two other alliances? This is great! RA were pushed back in empire.... wait.. looks like lv -v- are gonnahave to eat some of there own words.. ________________________________________________________ For your tech 2 needs www.evetrust.com
HankMurphy Pelennor Swarm Knights Of the Southerncross	Posted - 2006.10.24 23:20:00 - [351] well, i told myself i wouldn't post again... but what the hell whine whine, boo hoo, blah blah and 12 pages of it. and alot of you cant seem to get a few simple facts through you head. 1) this was a multiday siege that V and LV both knew was happening 2) no help or attention was provided. as usual, WC space was all us(KOS), no-one else. 3)we never plotted to, OR NAP'd RAGOONS as a firestarter here. IT DIDN'T HAPPEN. I even saw a post here by flying tigers mentioning they didn't like the idea of nap'ing in the senate meeting.... go check the recording we make of our meetings, was NEVER SAID.... hmm... point #3 is an interesting one. lets look closer wait, so KOS didn't NAP the enemies? well why did V and LV war dec? why did V / LV both declare CTA's immediately after their synchronized war dec mails to come hunt us? why the hell did i see a former coalition capital ship 2 jumps outta qgq tonight? WHY THE HELL WOULD A COALITION BE SO FROGGY TO JUMP ON THIS WITH WAR DECs AND FLEETS? yet so completely uninvolved or dedicated to our space and alliance last 6 months (except when they needed our help)???!!!??? hmm... point 3 is very interesting indeed. the FACT is, standing were changed 2 hours after V LV fleets were in our region popping ships leaders realizes "ok, i havev fleets of blue shooting my guys and the only ppl not shooting us is the ones we have labeled red..... so, as anyone w/ a brain in their head, what do you do w/ hundreds of pilots that felt like they just woke up in bizarro world? change the f'n standings so you can engage the hostiles. there is your supposed 'nap'. the cause of your new war. the one that occured AFTER you attacked. before that it was hearsay and rumors you didn't bother to confirm. THIS is how you treat ppl that fight for you, beside you? I saw an awsome video on goggle vids on the tribute wars. where enemies became friends and friends became enemies. this happens. actions speak louder than words and after months of fighting we have seen the following in just a couple days: -our enemy showed us a respect and honor we had not yet seen even from our friends. the honor to let us leave a battlefield defeated. (you know, instead of running around and dumping lemon juice & salt on the wounded) -our 'friends' war dec'd us w/o even talking to us. (and all the fabulous reasons they have you can read teh last 12 pages) just read the OP. "your treachary is noted" lol, wtf, you'd think we made them hostile? (they did try that excuse earlier if you read back). get it through your heads, RA said "get out, and do it fast, or everything you own is gone. so we pull back to get our eggs in one basket, get our footing and move forward in the game..... no NAP was made, no talk of going against the coalition was EVER made you'd think our coalition would be all about contacting us and saying "what can we do to help? what are your plans? can we retake WC?" no, no they just made some very rash decisions and started shooting blues w/ a purpose and interest they never had regarding our defense in the past. makes me start to put some stock in the whole, 'they were just trying to boost their internal morale' suggestions. maybe they didn't do this for a certain reason. maybe they were just looking for enough gray area to create a reason? way to kick someone while they are down and play the victim at the same time. alot of talk about 'kos should talk w/ their leadership more, its their fault' ... perhaps you'd like to talk to your leadership and ask why they would war dec w/o good intel? why they would be SO quick to turn on their long time allies and burn a bridge that has taken better part of a year to build? you dec'd us. not the other way around. remember that. well, i still have plenty of ammo! bring the noise traitors!
Swor Sniggerdly	Posted - 2006.10.24 23:39:00 - [352] Its too bad LV and V are taking the lowest road possible KOS had poor leadership structure and some incompetent higher ups i agree, but its not those people that are going to sufferby wardeccing KOS, its going to hurt those people that have fought like tigers every night we attacked them She Storm, Capt Jack G, Sauron, Babs Johnson(who we stole), lawk, Corvino, Shadoo, THRASHER23, jbob2000, Mrbarbarrino, barbs, tookar, and so many others... those are the people that were there, fending off incursions, on a daily, if not hourly basis... thats the funny thing about KOS, they were learning, and getting better, they just didn't have the proper structure in place, to let those that could have taken this alliance places, to advance... BTW Corvino, don't let past failures stop you from leading, sometimes **** happens
HankMurphy Pelennor Swarm Knights Of the Southerncross	Posted - 2006.10.24 23:42:00 - [353] and lets try to stick to the topic. kos is kos. topic isn't: the mistakes made up until now / history of war vs RA topic is: V & LV war dec'ing us for... uh... jaywalking i think was teh last excuse i heard
Plutoinum German Cyberdome Corp Veritas Immortalis	Posted - 2006.10.24 23:51:00 - [354] Edited by: Plutoinum on 24/10/2006 23:53:38 Edited by: Plutoinum on 24/10/2006 23:52:17 Originally by: Dragerest RA were pushed back in empire.... wait.. looks like lv -v- are gonnahave to eat some of there own words.. You start to bore me ... Nothing happening in the north that you care so much about the east ? Anyway, I myself didn't know, how it looks in Wicked Creek. I thought about KoS somedays ago, but since there was not much intel from KoS on our common channel, I didn't think that the situation was that bad. I didn't read any helpcalls and RA sightings. OK. I wasn't online for the whole time. To me it looks like KoS screwed up with their poses and when the leadership noticed what has happened, they already thought it's lost anyway and were already thinking of a way out, instead of communicating it in the right way with LV and V. That's only, what I guess. And btw. that people get angry, when people screw up with their poses, isn't new and not restricted against some KOS corp. After RA made use of coalitions first mistakes/screw-ups many months ago, which set us back for weeks, required us to field and let us lose dreads or camp stations day and nights just because of such things, everyone should know how important it is to keep the pos fueled and moons covered and since everyone should know it by now, it's completely unacceptable, if they don't do it. If a -V- corp would screw it up, too with their poses, instead of communicating their logistic problems or whatever before it's too late, then everyone would get extremely mad, too. So, well, it is like it is now. But with your homesystem it's clear that some KOS screwed up first. You didn't get into the trouble, because we didn't help you in the first place. Maybe with better communication it would have been saved anyway. Didn't happen. No idea, who's fault it was in the end, maybe some of the KoS leaders had already given up and just wanted a way out, like I said before. That's how it looks like now. ( No offense to the general KoS-guy, who didn't anything wrong ofc. ) edit put some more words in to get sentences.
Cottenballs REUNI0N Red Alliance	Posted - 2006.10.25 00:15:00 - [355] Originally by: Kuang Edited by: Kuang on 24/10/2006 13:06:14 Originally by: fire 59 Forgive me if i got this wrong. RA was pushed back to 1 station by coaliton and then coalition took that shortly. RA retake the station and after long fighting, mangage to take more stations back. Now RA with new gs allies are pushing hard into coalition territory in general retaking what had been lost ages ago? WoW, slightly off topic but if it was possible to bottle that fighting spirit, you would make a fortune, can't help but admire that level of determination Personally don't think any other alliance has the determination as RA ... LV , V and chimp are slowly being pecked away by RA , will they turn it around ... probably not but who knows
Attak Trioptimum Storm Armada	Posted - 2006.10.25 00:23:00 - [356] What's done is done, you guys need to stop pointing fingers, making forum posts and just get on with the mayhem.
Shin Ra BURN EDEN	Posted - 2006.10.25 00:34:00 - [357] Its great how these things bring out people's true feelings.
tbow10 Black Nova Corp Band of Brothers	Posted - 2006.10.25 00:48:00 - [358] i love this game
M PIquet StateCorp Veritas Immortalis	Posted - 2006.10.25 01:20:00 - [359] Is everyone done being drama queens yet? KOS were in Scalding Pass tonight in a combined gang with RA. There was also intel that KOS pilots were camping 7Q- with IMP, TNT and Foundation. The war decs are out, the worms have turned, lets have no more of the talky talky and just get on with the shooty shooty.
HankMurphy Pelennor Swarm Knights Of the Southerncross	Posted - 2006.10.25 01:51:00 - [360] Originally by: M PIquet The war decs are out, the worms have turned, lets have no more of the talky talky and just get on with the shooty shooty. you got that much right... i think you were confused on who the worms were though...
Shyalud Chosen Path Lotka Volterra	Posted - 2006.10.25 02:35:00 - [361] Originally by: HankMurphy 2) no help or attention was provided. as usual, WC space was all us(KOS), no-one else. well, who was supposed to be there? Originally by: Jules The path of the righteous man is beset on all sides by the iniquities of the selfish and the tyranny of evil men.
w0rmy Intensive CareBearz	Posted - 2006.10.25 02:44:00 - [362] Originally by: sidthesexist Originally by: Daroh just lol ) Explain your lol. I think hes loling at you making a point as if you had any credibility. Originally by: Avon Originally by: Dark Shikari What single item is larger than a jetcan? My ego?
w0rmy Intensive CareBearz	Posted - 2006.10.25 02:47:00 - [363] Originally by: M PIquet The war decs are out, the worms have turned, lets have no more of the talky talky and just get on with the docky docky. Fixed for you. And if you cant handle a war dec against IMP... Well lol at V thinking theyll do anything to KOS. Originally by: Avon Originally by: Dark Shikari What single item is larger than a jetcan? My ego?
Dragerest Omega Enterprises Dusk and Dawn	Posted - 2006.10.25 03:08:00 - [364] Plutoinum, am i making it up? did -v- and LV say they were going to push RA back to Empire? than they would be mining veld in Jita? thats what i was hearing when i was in RA. that once RA lost there space they would never reclaim it. but i guess the mighty coaltion is winning this battle. The idea is to have the enemy advance to your doorstep and fight him there. maybe ASCN will come and help you again. but that is right you don't need help fighting RA and Goons. have a wonderful day ________________________________________________________ For your tech 2 needs www.evetrust.com
Plutoinum German Cyberdome Corp Veritas Immortalis	Posted - 2006.10.25 04:09:00 - [365] Edited by: Plutoinum on 25/10/2006 04:13:03 Edited by: Plutoinum on 25/10/2006 04:09:49 Originally by: w0rmy And if you cant handle a war dec against IMP... Wonder, what that means ? But maybe you like to explain it. Sorry, if you don't get the attention you guys in empire or GW think you deserve, but npc stations are not running away and if you consider that we are at war against goons and RA and have a region and 5 stations under our sovereignty, then you maybe understand the priorities. Originally by: Dragerest Plutoinum, am i making it up? did -v- and LV say they were going to push RA back to Empire? No, you don't make it up. But if you repeat a sentence from half a year ago or whatever again and again, it's boring anyway. Since the c-j siege everyone knows that the plans are changed or at least delayed for now. That has been in a big coalition post, so why should I care about stuff said under different conditions several months ago ? I live now. Objectives are changing with the current development. I don't need someone to tell me, that we are not at the point to force RA to mine in Jita currently. And about ASCN coming to rescue again. Maybe I miss the point. When did they come last time to rescue. I remember that they came to help to try to kick RA out of their last station, if I'm right, in C-J, which failed. That wasn't a rescue. But maybe your talking about something else I don't know. Anyway, good entertainment, although it's a bit distracting to be follow this, post and fly in a roaming gang in hostile space.
Bonaduce	Posted - 2006.10.25 04:19:00 - [366]
Stormhold FinFleet Lotka Volterra	Posted - 2006.10.25 04:33:00 - [367] This thread is the incarnation of what I read EVE-o for. Perfect soap opera. I'm glad this happened, even if it would've lead to nothing good except the thread!
Slarivet Caldari Distant Star Alliance	Posted - 2006.10.25 04:50:00 - [368] Edited by: Slarivet on 25/10/2006 05:05:41 I find it interesting that there is not a soul here willing to deny that Demogod lied even within KOS, and there's not a soul here within KOS that thinks attempting to justify the lie is worth the time. That key leader who seems to have a pivotal role in lighting this conflagration not saying a word is troublesome. Demogod actively lying to his allies strongly indicates either that he made a hell of a mistake and wasn't willing to immediately own up to it, or knew beforehand exactly what he was doing and didn't want those 'allies' to chew him up while he was in direct chat with them. His own alliance members apparently had no idea he was going to do this. (Edit: if that ain't a backstab against the people wearing his very own alliance tag I don't know what is.) There is also no doubt that there was a huge logistics/communications failure within KOS. Whether KOS was between a rock and a hard place BEFORE the NAP, you can bet they are now. They now have a NAP with RA, who laughs at them and smirks over the top of their head at LV. They now also because of this NAP have LV out for blood, and there are a LOT of KOS assets that are going to be left behind anyway - and the income flow in Empire is harder to come by. There are two corporations that have spoken up in this thread that left KOS when the NAP went into effect. This is a hell of an opportunity - unless there's something negative between those two corps this would be a fine time to link hands again now that you've ducked out from under the KOS banner. Former allies that still love the mates within KOS are pointing at a few distinct examples of horrid leadership within an alliance that they otherwise loved. Those still within KOS aren't even trying to deny that or justify it. Seems like a fine, fine, fine time to smelt down into a good core and throw out the nonsense. May KOS shift and change and live on as something a hell of a lot better and more effective.
Murukan Minmatar The Priory Interstellar Alcohol Conglomerate	Posted - 2006.10.25 04:52:00 - [369] I would like to thank chow for providing a great thread to read. 10/10 Kill em all. In rust we trust!!!
Papa Digger REUNI0N Red Alliance	Posted - 2006.10.25 07:27:00 - [370] I just wonder why Chow didn't finish his sentence like "the same thing will be with all who decide to retreat from battlefield and surrender to our enemies". "Luke, I'm your father" etc. Yes, KOS make some critical mistakes in protectiong thier space. But LV in this situation drop KOS like ballast. When we first time siege N7, I understood that KOS haven't Coalition support anymore. 2 days ago KOS members understood too that they are used and droped by "allies". 2 LV+V: Yeah, your ally may be weak, but shoot in them for it? :-\ ---- CEO.
Engad Tanon Enterprise Estonia Veritas Immortalis	Posted - 2006.10.25 07:47:00 - [371] Originally by: w0rmy Originally by: M PIquet The war decs are out, the worms have turned, lets have no more of the talky talky and just get on with the docky docky. Fixed for you. And if you cant handle a war dec against IMP... Well lol at V thinking theyll do anything to KOS. who is IMP btw?
Major Tarsis Shinra Lotka Volterra	Posted - 2006.10.25 07:58:00 - [372] To all KOS members. I have been reading this thread from page 1 and after speaking to people in game and on TS it appears some of you standing up for your Alliance have been misinformed by those whom you are now defending. It is stated LV and V did not help out with N7-. How come that LV and V fleets were blockading and hunting the enemy fleets heading to N7- and how come you fleets and squads actually in N7- were commanded at times by non KOS Coalition Fleet Commanders. It has been stated that LV and V have in no way helped out KOS after N7-. LV pilots and V pilots have been talking to commanders from KOS about what went wrong in N7- and how to protect 'The Creek' from RA. These were open talks held both straight after N7- and over the following weeks when help had been requested. However this was hindered by your 'leader' refusing requests (until the very last minute) for KOS fleet commanders and other leaders (which I presume were senate leaders) to be in the Coalition combined Chat channels. This hinders the communication channels somewhat and was purely caused by your 'leaders' arrogance and unwilling to give these commanders the responsibility of communicating with the rest of the Coalition. They had earned it both on and off the battlefield but had been stifled by certain people in high up positions. Also whenever your 'leader' was asked for updates and a general 'Hows it going?' all we ever got from him at a Coalition level was either its in hand or its fine. About the fact that the coaliton did not come to help you after RA POSPAMMED your home system with 15 large POSes configured as Deathstars is purely down to the fact that Eve in its current state cannot support Fleet battles with Capital Ships at POSes. RA knows this (though they will probably argue this on this thread after this, Hi BH Nync and MACTEP) the coalition knows this and the entire of Eve Alliances knows this. Hopefully Kali will fix this issue but we will have to wait and see. After RA had POSpammed your system Many Coalition pilots were doing all they can to look into it. But during this period of Communication it is not ideal when KOS 'cut the lines of communication deliberately' when things are said that your 'leader' did not agree with or felt he was being blamed for, instead of working things out and finding a solution. Where is Demogod now has anyone asked a locator Agent to track him down? Has he run with his assets and bailed on you I know he has not been heard of for many days now. Is this wise for your leadership to disappear in times of your greatest need? What are KOSes options at this present time? The forums are not the place for these. KOS pilots you need to take a step back, LV and V do not blame you individually. KOS pilots were always willing to fight and have been forced into this position by certain members of your leadership. The Coalition had heard that the NAP was going to go ahead but that they had to go through the motions of a Senate meeting. I ask the CEO's and others that were at that meeting to think back over how this was presented to yourselves was this given as the only viable option? Irrespective of when the actual ingame standings were changed (and I believe their is a time delay on this anyway sometimes). Your leadership were going to NAP RAGOONs and this had been put into motion before your 'Senate' meeting was called. The Only Corp to speak u against this position was kicked from the Alliance and called traitors. KOS is and will remain KOS to the Coalition. But individual Corps may have more options? Think about it Speak to your 'leader' IF you can find him. MT My comments are purely in character and should not be considered a personal attack especially if taken out of context. - awaiting mods reply via email.
NeverL Enterprise Estonia Veritas Immortalis	Posted - 2006.10.25 08:07:00 - [373] i think imp those guys play for the rats in belts.
Kuolematon Space Perverts and Forum Warriors United	Posted - 2006.10.25 08:31:00 - [374] Originally by: Cmd Woodlouse Uh Oh... dont bite urself in ur arse here. Erm, Tribute, erm... w00t! Woody dude! Your back from WoW? Dang man, BC is around the corner. Hang on a little bit more Part of forum movement known as "It's great being Amarr, ain't it?Ö" To be Kali, or not to be Lagi
Buzee	Posted - 2006.10.25 08:57:00 - [375] hehehe, Okay what's done has been done. lets see how it pans out, 1. Any alliance cannot be crushed compeletely if its members stay in the alliance , afterall you cannot pod anyone to a newb clone unless he is a tard. So all you effectively do is deny them resources for a short time while they recoup. Internal problems kill alliances, not the enemy.So for those KOS guys it's not the end of the world, just stick together, you will be better for it if you do. Let d carebears leave cus they want 0.0 space to live in and make isk, you will see a lot of them whine and say I have had enough and hop to another alliance. Its those whiners you shoul d get rid of and be glad to at this stage. rest of you consolidate 2. -V-, LV. Soon the ragoons will push for all your eggs and conquerable stations. You will prolly be driven back to you orginal npc stations in GW cus thats just about as far you will get beaten back. I dont see you as an alliance crumbling, youv'e passed that point, BUT you will lose your space till all you have is NPC stations. 3. RAGOONS, In as much as you will gain all the victories in the world, there comes a time where you will have to much space. So i think its just to kick v and lv hard for a while and then retire to your manageable space. 4. I see a plot here in anticipation of KALI, this RAGOON movement is a tactical step to that effect, brilliant I must say.
Bardi MecAuldnis Amarr Pirates of Destruction Union Pirate Coalition	Posted - 2006.10.25 09:05:00 - [376] Originally by: Gen Kumon You know...as a former member of KOS and general enemy to both KOS and LV...this is actually pretty funny. I'm not going to say KOS didn't deserve it, but it only goes to show what happens when you rely on LV. So...I'm just going to sit back and laugh as two of the groups I like least in EVE go shooty-shooty on each other. I was just thinking the same thing... --- Hey hey let's go kenka suru! Taisetsuna mono protect my balls! Boku ga warui, so lets fighting! LET'S FIGHTING LOVE!!!
swordslasher Eye of God Axiom Empire	Posted - 2006.10.25 12:14:00 - [377] I wouldn't go so far as to say the willing and capable members of KOS deserve it, but the leadership definitely does. I told everyone in KOS something akin to this would happen, but demogod had his eyes set on controlling 8 stations, or so he said, and ***** with the refinery tax and factory tax each and every day like he used to do. I wouldn't shed a tear if I found out the guy got hit by a bus IRL, your ingame attitude towards your peers is a reflection of your true personality, and demo is one hell of a * - then again, he's also an american republican who owns a demolition company that has at times had some fancy contracts with the US Government. Apple doesn't fall too far from the tree. demogod moved the alliance to Wicked Creek so that he would have more stations to control, back in Omist this guy had billions, he funded the entire KOS-vs-SE war and as I recall, you would see him on the battlefield with usually two, not just one battleship - I'd be surprised if you see him fighting at all now. He's probably broke by now. demogod wanted to control Wicked Creek and be able to say everything's under control, you know? and when the going got tough, they wanted to fight it out themselves, but now they're saying they were screwed, and never recieved any help - a claim I find hard to believe. demogod and lackeys will be the first to blame the member corporations for the fall of KOS, but in reality, it's the leadership that takes on the corporations, and if a corp turns out to be sour and dead weight, that's the fault of the leadership. Plazmalord will tell you all day long that LV pushed KOS out of Omist, when in reality there were some serious tensions that instead of demogod working out with LV, demo decided he'd rather drop the station and move to Wicked Creek for more power. Funny, how things go, isn't it? All out war for eight months is a ***, and it breaks members.
General Novartic Minmatar The Taining corp Knights Of the Southerncross	Posted - 2006.10.25 12:50:00 - [378] Ok, cutting back all the spam around here. Facts: 1. We were fighting. 2. We helped LV/L 3. I didnÆt see a single large gang of them helping us. 4. If there was then they must have been working away from us so basically they were not helping us. 5. N7 was being attacked from Cache area not from LÆs space so I donÆt think your gate camps did much guy's. 6. We were screwed so we declared a NAP (cease fire) 7. Goons are even helping us in the NAT to get us out and though systems camped by L and LV. (Cant say much about L and LV)(Thanks goons, your now in my good books from -10 to +10) Questions: 1. Why did LV and L war deck us? 2. What did we do to deserve this harsh back stabbing treatment? 3. Why didnÆt you help us get back our lost POS's when the largest freeken fleet of cap ships iv ever seen entered Q-G?? 4. Why did it take you all freeken ages to get any fleet together to help us? 5. Why did it take you seconds to make a fleet to come kill KOS?? Conclusion. RA, GOON, please kick them (L, LV)off the map. They do not deserve to live here due to there foul actions toward an Allie. http://www.n-computers.co.uk/other/eve/evesig.jpg signature removed (max dimensions 120px * 400px) - please email us if you want to know why - Pirlouit([email protected])
Plazmalord Soban Amarr Hounds Of War Knights Of the Southerncross	Posted - 2006.10.25 12:51:00 - [379] Edited by: Plazmalord Soban on 25/10/2006 12:53:19 Originally by: swordslasher I wouldn't go so far as to say the willing and capable members of KOS deserve it, but the leadership definitely does. I told everyone in KOS something akin to this would happen, but demogod had his eyes set on controlling 8 stations, or so he said, and ***** with the refinery tax and factory tax each and every day like he used to do. I wouldn't shed a tear if I found out the guy got hit by a bus IRL, your ingame attitude towards your peers is a reflection of your true personality, and demo is one hell of a * - then again, he's also an american republican who owns a demolition company that has at times had some fancy contracts with the US Government. Apple doesn't fall too far from the tree. demogod moved the alliance to Wicked Creek so that he would have more stations to control, back in Omist this guy had billions, he funded the entire KOS-vs-SE war and as I recall, you would see him on the battlefield with usually two, not just one battleship - I'd be surprised if you see him fighting at all now. He's probably broke by now. demogod wanted to control Wicked Creek and be able to say everything's under control, you know? and when the going got tough, they wanted to fight it out themselves, but now they're saying they were screwed, and never recieved any help - a claim I find hard to believe. demogod and lackeys will be the first to blame the member corporations for the fall of KOS, but in reality, it's the leadership that takes on the corporations, and if a corp turns out to be sour and dead weight, that's the fault of the leadership. Plazmalord will tell you all day long that LV pushed KOS out of Omist, when in reality there were some serious tensions that instead of demogod working out with LV, demo decided he'd rather drop the station and move to Wicked Creek for more power. Funny, how things go, isn't it? All out war for eight months is a ***, and it breaks members. Note To He Moderators!!!!! Please Remove This post or This portion of the post as it has no bearing on the game or this topic and violates a gamers private life. It is not appropriate.
Joshua Foiritain Gallente Coreli Corporation Corelum Syndicate	Posted - 2006.10.25 12:56:00 - [380] Edited by: Joshua Foiritain on 25/10/2006 12:55:49 Originally by: General Novartic Questions: 1. Why did LV and L war deck us? 2. What did we do to deserve this harsh back stabbing treatment? 3. Why didnÆt you help us get back our lost POS's when the largest freeken fleet of cap ships iv ever seen entered Q-G?? 4. Why did it take you all freeken ages to get any fleet together to help us? 5. Why did it take you seconds to make a fleet to come kill KOS?? 1: Your leader lied to them, your alliance was too lazy to defend space they where given. 2: According to the topic you allied with the coalition's enemy, which makes you the enemy. 3: Did you have all moons covered with POSes as agreed to with the coalition? 4: Cant answer that, not in the coalition ^_^ 5: Revenge for being lied to? ----- [Coreli Corporation Mainframe]
M PIquet StateCorp Veritas Immortalis	Posted - 2006.10.25 13:13:00 - [381] Originally by: w0rmy Originally by: M PIquet The war decs are out, the worms have turned, lets have no more of the talky talky and just get on with the docky docky. Fixed for you. And if you cant handle a war dec against IMP... Well lol at V thinking theyll do anything to KOS. Oh please. What little respect I had left for IMP as fighters was lost when one of them accused my corp of staging a log in trap in E02. I never knew jumping in from neighbouring systems was considered "logging in".
Pirata Furciferous Minmatar Shinra	Posted - 2006.10.25 13:44:00 - [382] Originally by: Papa Digger 2 LV+V: Yeah, your ally may be weak, but shoot in them for it? :-\ This whole situation seems vaguely familiar, as if I've read it all before. It feels like a "Ghost" from our past is crying out for "Retribution", er, uhm, recognition.
NeverL Enterprise Estonia Veritas Immortalis	Posted - 2006.10.25 13:50:00 - [383] Originally by: General Novartic 2. We helped LV/L 7. Goons are even helping us in the NAT to get us out and though systems camped by L and LV. (Cant say much about L and LV)(Thanks goons, your now in my good books from -10 to +10) Questions: 1. Why did LV and L war deck us? Conclusion. RA, GOON, please kick them (L, LV)off the map. They do not deserve to live here due to there foul actions toward an Allie. as u have no clue who were ur allies u shouldnt really be talking about alliance politics now do you?
Major Tarsis Shinra Lotka Volterra	Posted - 2006.10.25 14:07:00 - [384] Originally by: General Novartic 4. Why did it take you all freeken ages to get any fleet together to help us? It does help to get correct intel and not be told its all fine when asked or being sorted. (which it wasn't you had small unfueled POSes up) or the fact that you 'leader' did not allow his leadership into the Chat channels with the rest of the Coaliton commanders and we have to find out by heresay and rumours what is going on in Allied space. And on the Originally by: General Novartic N7 was being attacked from Cache area not from LÆs space so I donÆt think your gate camps did much guy's. So the coalition was not helping by V covering the N-R route in and roaming gangs round the central area while LV were roaming round Cache and Insmother to give KOS time to get their pilots in place and the bubble camp setup (good job to those pilots there) as well as escorting KOS haulers (who magically were promised and did not meet the fleet) who were coming to N7- to get your towers fueled and armed (with POSes and equipment and fuel supplied by LV and V). The fleet was organised, defenses for the weekend were established and your fleet commanded by LV pilots (who were actively recalled from all over Eve). If you want confirmation of this speak to Corvino, Rhang etc... As well as after the seige KOS pilots were escorted and the station covered by LV led gangs in order to get your pilots safely out with some assets when your 'leadership' failed to come up with the goods to secure the system (hint: Large POSes do need some guns on them to be effective). Is this not classed as help? If so I appologise for not sending any help during the N7- seige. Next time we will try to help out a little more, please evemail me with ways we could have helped out a little more during the N7- seige. We will help when asked both directly and indirectly but we will do your tasks for you. The fighter of KOS did there job well pity you were let down in N7- again by slack 'leaders'. MT My comments are purely in character and should not be considered a personal attack especially if taken out of context. - awaiting mods reply via email.
Plazmalord Soban Amarr Hounds Of War Knights Of the Southerncross	Posted - 2006.10.25 14:37:00 - [385] Originally by: swordslasher I wouldn't shed a tear if I found out the guy got hit by a bus IRL, your ingame attitude towards your peers is a reflection of your true personality, and demo is one hell of a ***** - then again, he's also an american republican who owns a demolition company that has at times had some fancy contracts with the US Government. Apple doesn't fall too far from the tree. ATTENTION MODERATORS: THE ABOVE STATEMENT HAS NUTHING TO DO WITH EVE-ONLINE AND GIVES OUT PERSONAL DETAILS OF A GAMERS LIFE THAT HAS NO BEARING ON THE GAME. PLEASE EDIT AND REMOVE IT. Thank you Plazmalord Soban
Nebba Kenezzer Minmatar Shinra Lotka Volterra	Posted - 2006.10.25 14:41:00 - [386] Originally by: Plazmalord Soban ATTENTION MODERATORS: THE ABOVE STATEMENT HAS NUTHING TO DO WITH EVE-ONLINE AND GIVES OUT PERSONAL DETAILS OF A GAMERS LIFE THAT HAS NO BEARING ON THE GAME. PLEASE EDIT AND REMOVE IT. Thank you Plazmalord Soban No discussion of forum moderation please. Instead, email the moderator team at [email protected]. Nebba - The Vocal Majority
Skrypt Shinra Lotka Volterra	Posted - 2006.10.25 14:44:00 - [387] Too much politicing and not enough pewpew; especially for KOS. You've got a lot a work to do. ___________
General Novartic Minmatar The Taining corp Knights Of the Southerncross	Posted - 2006.10.25 15:39:00 - [388] Originally by: Joshua Foiritain Edited by: Joshua Foiritain on 25/10/2006 12:55:49 Originally by: General Novartic Questions: 1. Why did LV and L war deck us? 2. What did we do to deserve this harsh back stabbing treatment? 3. Why didnÆt you help us get back our lost POS's when the largest freeken fleet of cap ships iv ever seen entered Q-G?? 4. Why did it take you all freeken ages to get any fleet together to help us? 5. Why did it take you seconds to make a fleet to come kill KOS?? 1: Your leader lied to them, your alliance was too lazy to defend space they where given. 2: According to the topic you allied with the coalition's enemy, which makes you the enemy. 3: Did you have all moons covered with POSes as agreed to with the coalition? 4: Cant answer that, not in the coalition ^_^ 5: Revenge for being lied to? O goody, I love putting people in place. Originally by: Joshua Foiritain 1: Your leader lied to them, your alliance was too lazy to defend space they where given. 2: According to the topic you allied with the coalition's enemy, which makes you the enemy. 3: Did you have all moons covered with POSes as agreed to with the coalition? 4: Cant answer that, not in the coalition ^_^ 5: Revenge for being lied to? 1: Your leader lied to them, your alliance was too lazy to defend space they where given. RE: Ok, the part on the leader lied to them etc.. What did he say??? I have no idea about this lie?? RE: Lazy??? >>>BALL ST<<< My friend do you call going about in a 300Mill isk Loaded tempest, gate camping our gates, and having gangs up 24/7 ready to pop RA and GOON lazy? ok, next time IÆm in a war you bring your fat ass along and show me what not being lazy is all about hu? 2: According to the topic you allied with the coalition's enemy, which makes you the enemy. RE: Allied with the enemy?? More >>>BALL ST<<< I donÆt think a cease fire is called allying with the enemy, do you? Well if you do then some one please hit this clown around the head so that he see's reality. We took this as the KOS was no more. We just want to get out and not loses anymore of our ships with this endless battle that from day one we knew that we would really quite frankly loose unless L and LV gave support. RA has more then just GOON with them BTW, they have more backing then your nanas pension scheme. 3: Did you have all moons covered with POSes as agreed to with the coalition? RE: Yes/NO, Yes as we took all the moons that didnÆt have a RA Death star in. NO as RA have pos's in. O also we donÆt have sad people who spend all day filling up pos's in every system, unlike some I have to say. OMG, I know why L and LV never helped us. They were always topping up there endless supply of POS's in every system, lol so many people help out with this that they donÆt have a force big enough to help them selves out otherwise all there posÆs would fall apart lol. 4: Cant answer that, not in the coalition ^_^ RE: DonÆt blame you; I donÆt think anyone could answer that question ether. O wait. Silly me, of corse we can answer this: there all up in Dek and fade pvping and also filling up all there little pos's in every system that they have. lol. Hay RA, Attack them as they donÆt have a fleet as there always mining for minÆs for there pos's. 5: Revenge for being lied to? RE: Or greed???? Well thatÆs put it this way. RA want there space back. L and LV are in there way. O look!! there next, what a shame. This will be a good movie. Anyone got a cam corder?? (If any KOS CEO/FC/SEN does not like my post, please contact me and I will mod were needed) <-- But its basicly the truth. http://www.n-computers.co.uk/other/eve/evesig.jpg signature removed (max dimensions 120px * 400px) - please email us if you want to know why - Pirlouit([email protected])
Therem Harth DAB RAZOR Alliance	Posted - 2006.10.25 16:09:00 - [389] Originally by: Joshua Foiritain 4: Cant answer that, not in the coalition ^_^ What, is Nebba quitting? --
Plazmalord Soban Amarr Hounds Of War Knights Of the Southerncross	Posted - 2006.10.25 16:15:00 - [390] <s> DAB - love to see old homeworld mates on here. btw Theram: Nebba wasnt the one that posted the quote u responded to :) It was a KOS member.
Stormhold FinFleet Lotka Volterra	Posted - 2006.10.25 16:24:00 - [391] "O also we donÆt have sad people who spend all day filling up pos's in every system, unlike some I have to say. " If you don't have people who maintain poses, it's not really a surprise you lose poses and an enemy plants poses on the moons they used to be in.
General Novartic Minmatar The Taining corp Knights Of the Southerncross	Posted - 2006.10.25 16:41:00 - [392] Originally by: Stormhold "O also we donÆt have sad people who spend all day filling up pos's in every system, unlike some I have to say. " If you don't have people who maintain poses, it's not really a surprise you lose poses and an enemy plants poses on the moons they used to be in. WARNING!! THIS PERSON HAS NO LIFE OUT SIDE EVE!!!! http://www.n-computers.co.uk/other/eve/evesig.jpg signature removed (max dimensions 120px * 400px) - please email us if you want to know why - Pirlouit([email protected])
Ediz Daxx FinFleet Lotka Volterra	Posted - 2006.10.25 16:47:00 - [393] Originally by: General Novartic Originally by: Joshua Foiritain Edited by: Joshua Foiritain on 25/10/2006 12:55:49 Originally by: General Novartic Questions: 1. Why did LV and L war deck us? 2. What did we do to deserve this harsh back stabbing treatment? 3. Why didnÆt you help us get back our lost POS's when the largest freeken fleet of cap ships iv ever seen entered Q-G?? 4. Why did it take you all freeken ages to get any fleet together to help us? 5. Why did it take you seconds to make a fleet to come kill KOS?? 1: Your leader lied to them, your alliance was too lazy to defend space they where given. 2: According to the topic you allied with the coalition's enemy, which makes you the enemy. 3: Did you have all moons covered with POSes as agreed to with the coalition? 4: Cant answer that, not in the coalition ^_^ 5: Revenge for being lied to? O goody, I love putting people in place. You failed.
Mortiaca Caldari Freedom-Technologies Knights Of the Southerncross	Posted - 2006.10.25 16:55:00 - [394] Edited by: Mortiaca on 25/10/2006 16:58:36 Like Hank I told myself I wouldn't post again but here I am. First things.... KOS lost QGQ no one else. The blame that is going out to V and LV is the fact that you sent no team to help us get out or help us watch the gates and systems as we moved things about so we could setup a defensive position from FE or 4E. Instead we had to spread our people air thin between defense, carriers, haulers, etc.... Now with that said. One of the reasons I will never in my entire time of playing eve deal with V or LV with a handshake instead of a gun is this. Mind you this is my personal opinion and not my corps or the alliances. Ok does anyone REALLY know what happened in Wicked Creek? I hear alot of mention of RA and Goon. We just barely got IMP mentioned in there. Oh yeah and Tau Ceti was there too. Don't forget the pirate corps. Ok so ONE allinace was fighting RA, Goon, IMP, Tau Ceti, and a few pirate corps they brought with them. Gee guys even if we had the moons covered I wonder why we want the hell out. I'm very sorry if that sounds like a whine cause really it's not I'm not one to whine but I am one to say enough is damned enough and get the hell out before you have nothing left. Now for the reason I from this point on consider V and LV to be the pukes of the life in EVE. Here KOS is drowning on the edge of having everything taken. RA and Goon come to us and say hey man we'll throw you a life raft. Not asking for you to help us either but really we're not here to kill you just get you out of our way. All the sudden V and LV show up and START SHOOTING AT US FOR REACHING FOR THE LIFE RAFT. Talk about being bastards. No where did I see V or LV even offer a life raft let alone throw one to us. Yeah KOS got the crap kicked out of it. It took a minimum of 4 alliances and atleast 2 pirate corps to do it. Call us weak as you like but damned I think we did good to last that long. We were damned if we did damned if we didn't and all we wanted to do was get away from all of you crazy paranoid asses.
Redbad Minmatar Vengeance of the Fallen Imperium Alliance	Posted - 2006.10.25 17:01:00 - [395] I missed my daily Bold and the Beautiful rerun, just to read this thread. Still all pointing fingers, eh? Get a grip on yourselves and get playing again. This game is intended to have winners and loosers without eventually really being able to win or loose it entirely, how much we all might try. So keep backstabbing, killing, loving and helping eachother, but know for sure: you'll never win, but it makes a helluva gamingexperience for us all. (or even a good forumread for that matter) --- embrace the fire from the East.
Stormhold FinFleet Lotka Volterra	Posted - 2006.10.25 17:35:00 - [396] Originally by: General Novartic Originally by: Stormhold "O also we donÆt have sad people who spend all day filling up pos's in every system, unlike some I have to say. " If you don't have people who maintain poses, it's not really a surprise you lose poses and an enemy plants poses on the moons they used to be in. WARNING!! THIS PERSON HAS NO LIFE OUT SIDE EVE!!!! By the looks of it I just hit the bullseye.
sakana Purgatorial Janitors Inc.	Posted - 2006.10.25 17:40:00 - [397] Originally by: Redbad 11 pages of pointing fingers ... cool! it was YOUR fault wasn't it?? oh man not your for it!!!111
c0rn1 Seraphin Technologies Veritas Immortalis	Posted - 2006.10.25 17:52:00 - [398] oh no! taining corp is poor. they can't afford the placement of 23 towers in Q-GQ to at least give the coalition a time of REACTION. I always wonder how SERA can fuel and put up 12 large and 19 small by themselves in 2 systems. build an outpost for 20+ billion. Keeping it covered and still got the time to be nr.1 on -V- kills with 15 active members all in all. Ask Demo before you blame -V- & LV they couldn't instantly support you 4 am in the morning which definately is NOT the prime time for -V- and LV. Would demo have spent 7b to just put the towers up in Q-GQ with proper stron time set all wouldn't have been a problem. But like I said before, we decided to not get the system back ONCE again and throw Capital ships at RA POSs in the current state of the server. We had the agenda and we agreed to it. N7 was a sign for KOS to fortify their stronghold but noone stepped up and did the job. No, KOS doesn't even go to their partners and talk to them about further plans or if we could lock down the systems so they could get their stuff out. No, you rather like cuddling with our common foe and lie to your partners and then wonder why the sign goes out with a war declaration towards you. And everyone, especially demogod and Plazmalord Soban know my name. I didn't see any conversation in eve or on ts nor did I have a mail in my evemailbox how bad the situation is. Demogod even has my msn to contact me. NADA. So if they don't care, why should we? Regards c0rn1 x x x x x x x x x x x x x x -V- Diplomat -V- High Council Member Life's a waste of time ...
Pylse Gallente The Establishment Establishment	Posted - 2006.10.25 17:54:00 - [399] AharrrrrrRR! T H E K E Y !
swordslasher Eye of God Axiom Empire	Posted - 2006.10.25 18:03:00 - [400] Originally by: Plazmalord Soban Originally by: swordslasher I wouldn't shed a tear if I found out the guy got hit by a bus IRL, your ingame attitude towards your peers is a reflection of your true personality, and demo is one hell of a ***** - then again, he's also an american republican who owns a demolition company that has at times had some fancy contracts with the US Government. Apple doesn't fall too far from the tree. ATTENTION MODERATORS: THE ABOVE STATEMENT HAS NUTHING TO DO WITH EVE-ONLINE AND GIVES OUT PERSONAL DETAILS OF A GAMERS LIFE THAT HAS NO BEARING ON THE GAME. PLEASE EDIT AND REMOVE IT. Thank you Plazmalord Soban Question: When you make that information public to everyone in your alliance with complete disregard for your own self respect, how can you suddenly claim that it's personal and no one has the right to repeat it? It's not as if I'm his freaking friend, or even know him personally, but he's publically told a whole slew of people this fact, including most of them in KOS. If you didn't know, consider yourself informed, but I don't think I'm 'revealing' anything anymore personal than what he already has. and it is relevant to the topic of discussion if we're going to discuss ones character, one's habits in life, and the sterotypes associated with them, would have a large bearing and do well to explain one's personality in the game and how they treat others. Cliff Notes: demogod is an ass, in and out of eve, so it doesn't suprise me, nor should it surprise anyone else.
Rover Vitesse Gallente Crisis Corp Lotka Volterra	Posted - 2006.10.25 18:07:00 - [401] Originally by: Mortiaca Like Hank I told myself I wouldn't post again but here I am. snip Can you answer my question please? How many Large POS did Freedom-Technologies have fueled, online and armed in your station systems, claiming soveriengty? Rovers Chronicles
Xenofur Di-Tron Heavy Industries	Posted - 2006.10.25 18:11:00 - [402] Originally by: Major Tarsis KOS pilots you need to take a step back, LV and V do not blame you individually. sorry, but even if you say this it does not match your actions. if you are aware that the leadership is at fault, why do you shoot the members? nothing against emotional pleas, but hipocrisy stinks.
Mortiaca Caldari Freedom-Technologies Knights Of the Southerncross	Posted - 2006.10.25 18:15:00 - [403] Edited by: Mortiaca on 25/10/2006 18:16:51 Originally by: Rover Vitesse Originally by: Mortiaca Like Hank I told myself I wouldn't post again but here I am. snip Can you answer my question please? How many Large POS did Freedom-Technologies have fueled, online and armed in your station systems, claiming soveriengty? I will suffice to say that Freedom Technologies had no towers in 0.0 outside the station systems in Wicked Creek. We did what our corp wallet afforded us to. Now instead of being a*****y ass and proving the statement of let everyone think you are ignorant post on a forum and prove it. How about you read the third line where I said KOS lost QGQ and no one else.
crice Caldari CRICE Corporation Lotka Volterra	Posted - 2006.10.25 18:32:00 - [404] Originally by: General Novartic Ok, cutting back all the spam around here. Facts: 1. We were fighting. 2. We helped LV/L 3. I didnÆt see a single large gang of them helping us. 4. If there was then they must have been working away from us so basically they were not helping us. 5. N7 was being attacked from Cache area not from LÆs space so I donÆt think your gate camps did much guy's. 6. We were screwed so we declared a NAP (cease fire) 7. Goons are even helping us in the NAT to get us out and though systems camped by L and LV. (Cant say much about L and LV)(Thanks goons, your now in my good books from -10 to +10) Questions: 1. Why did LV and L war deck us? 2. What did we do to deserve this harsh back stabbing treatment? 3. Why didnÆt you help us get back our lost POS's when the largest freeken fleet of cap ships iv ever seen entered Q-G?? 4. Why did it take you all freeken ages to get any fleet together to help us? 5. Why did it take you seconds to make a fleet to come kill KOS?? Conclusion. RA, GOON, please kick them (L, LV)off the map. They do not deserve to live here due to there foul actions toward an Allie. Hey dude. Look to your leadership for failing to be open to your allies. For example: I know for a fact we came to help you guys when we first joined LV, and it sucked arse. Hearing people in KOS that couldn't even fly a BS or afford one. LV came with the majority of battleships, then some guy yelling and telling people to STFU on TS... unacceptable. you could use ERA as an example. They pulled out of cache, for whatever reason. They didn't give up POS's or sell them to the enemy, they left the region. From what I heard you guys had a better option that wasn't acted upon. KOS your failure lies on your leadership. I would bet that most of you were suprised or shocked at the war dec. Rise up, make some change or leave. I have been there done that. 70% left cDc, we could have been shady reinforced POS's and lied to our previous friends and allies.... we didn't we packed up and left and kept leadership informed... WHY? It was the honorable thing to do. In EvE all you have is your reputation and word.. nothing more. Don't let those mistake haunt you.
Plazmalord Soban Amarr Hounds Of War Knights Of the Southerncross	Posted - 2006.10.25 18:51:00 - [405] Originally by: c0rn1 oh no! taining corp is poor. they can't afford the placement of 23 towers in Q-GQ to at least give the coalition a time of REACTION. I always wonder how SERA can fuel and put up 12 large and 19 small by themselves in 2 systems. build an outpost for 20+ billion. Keeping it covered and still got the time to be nr.1 on -V- kills with 15 active members all in all. Ask Demo before you blame -V- & LV they couldn't instantly support you 4 am in the morning which definately is NOT the prime time for -V- and LV. Would demo have spent 7b to just put the towers up in Q-GQ with proper stron time set all wouldn't have been a problem. But like I said before, we decided to not get the system back ONCE again and throw Capital ships at RA POSs in the current state of the server. We had the agenda and we agreed to it. N7 was a sign for KOS to fortify their stronghold but noone stepped up and did the job. No, KOS doesn't even go to their partners and talk to them about further plans or if we could lock down the systems so they could get their stuff out. No, you rather like cuddling with our common foe and lie to your partners and then wonder why the sign goes out with a war declaration towards you. And everyone, especially demogod and Plazmalord Soban know my name. I didn't see any conversation in eve or on ts nor did I have a mail in my evemailbox how bad the situation is. Demogod even has my msn to contact me. NADA. So if they don't care, why should we? Regards c0rn1 Corn1 didnt you leave kos cause you was burned out? Cause your rant right there with no basis on facts kinda makes me think your flippin out again. As far as not recieving any word from me. In June i had to stop gaming for about 2 months. When i get back some brainchild in KOS decided to remove the cabinet. I had to also consolidate my corp along with 3 other corps to form what u see now. 3 weeks after this my modem craps out and im stuck to being on the forum at work. I was not acting as a cabinet member a senator nor was i assuming my role as vice president. " ive been a little busy" The Senate assumed control of KOS. which i argued was wrong and gonna lead to the failure of KOS. Ask Corvino about the ass chewing i gave him for this move... To blame me in anyway for the failure of this is wrong. EVERY tower i owned that wasnt destroyed in the first wave of the n7- invasion was Stationed in 4-E where MY office was. I help up my end with all i had. Dude get a clue before u start barking and assuming shyt. Since ive got back Ive rarely seen LV and V. Unless ofcourse we are called into a CTA for then cause Nebba feels like thinning our ranks by asking us to jump into a lagged out server with no hope on the other side of being able to target a single person. And with that... i seem to remember when u were DM in KOS screaming "where the hell are LV's dreads" u ranted that like every night on ts when demo got on... Demo klept saying they are coming.... Did they ever come? NO! Use your head man. Im finding it diffucult to remain calm and respect you when u keep making the insane claims which u clearly no nuthing about.
Plazmalord Soban Amarr Hounds Of War Knights Of the Southerncross	Posted - 2006.10.25 18:55:00 - [406] Originally by: swordslasher Originally by: Plazmalord Soban Originally by: swordslasher I wouldn't shed a tear if I found out the guy got hit by a bus IRL, your ingame attitude towards your peers is a reflection of your true personality, and demo is one hell of a ***** - then again, he's also an american republican who owns a demolition company that has at times had some fancy contracts with the US Government. Apple doesn't fall too far from the tree. ATTENTION MODERATORS: THE ABOVE STATEMENT HAS NUTHING TO DO WITH EVE-ONLINE AND GIVES OUT PERSONAL DETAILS OF A GAMERS LIFE THAT HAS NO BEARING ON THE GAME. PLEASE EDIT AND REMOVE IT. Thank you Plazmalord Soban Question: When you make that information public to everyone in your alliance with complete disregard for your own self respect, how can you suddenly claim that it's personal and no one has the right to repeat it? It's not as if I'm his freaking friend, or even know him personally, but he's publically told a whole slew of people this fact, including most of them in KOS. If you didn't know, consider yourself informed, but I don't think I'm 'revealing' anything anymore personal than what he already has. and it is relevant to the topic of discussion if we're going to discuss ones character, one's habits in life, and the sterotypes associated with them, would have a large bearing and do well to explain one's personality in the game and how they treat others. Cliff Notes: demogod is an ass, in and out of eve, so it doesn't suprise me, nor should it surprise anyone else. that said from a tree hugging democrat... if you were demos friend in anyway pal... u wouldnt have tried to over generalise who he is based on who he votes for or what he does for work. people like u try to put HUMAN beings into nice neat little catagories... get real man.
Qing Tian Gallente Bubble Tea Cafe	Posted - 2006.10.25 18:55:00 - [407] Originally by: Mortiaca Edited by: Mortiaca on 25/10/2006 RA and Goon come to us and say hey man we'll throw you a life raft. Not asking for you to help us either but really we're not here to kill you just get you out of our way. Hey Mortiaca, Just a speculation, with number of system that RAGOON is holding, the logistic of having out perform in POS war. I think that RA is pretty much stretched to limit (in term of logistic). To offer KOS an out, it's maybe a way that RA is trying to minimize their cost. Qing Tian
Mortiaca Caldari Freedom-Technologies Knights Of the Southerncross	Posted - 2006.10.25 18:59:00 - [408] From my understanding our "better option" was to pull out to an LV or V station (the outer most stations close to RA) to sit there and fight and lose more on the front lines of what RA was going to hit next. THIS IS NOT something I heard from "KOS Leadership" as you wanna term it. This was something I heard as an offering to those who didn't want to go with the cease fire. Hello let me go lose more and be a better meat shield for you. Also no where in that deal did I hear of anything where V or LV would come and help us at all secure a way to move our things. We would be on our own there all V and LV were to give us was docking rights. It is quite honorable to admit defeat and accept a cease fire in order to pull away from the battle. It is also the kind of choice a leader who has all the people below him and around him in mind would make. True friends and allies don't consider an act of desperation to be an act of trechery. If KOS was anything to LV and V they would be doing what they can to keep us safe not shooting at us while we try to get our stuff out of the warzone. If there had been any true trechery we would not be leaving. We would be staying. Shall I remind everyone that not a single KOS was blue to RA or Goon before LV and V war dec'd us. Not a single KOS was in gang with RA or Goon until LV and V war dec'd us. Not a single KOS was first to draw blood on LV and V. We would have never been the first to do so. But we will never know as LV and V felt it their place to strike first before they could even find out our intentions.
Mortiaca Caldari Freedom-Technologies Knights Of the Southerncross	Posted - 2006.10.25 19:11:00 - [409] Originally by: Qing Tian Originally by: Mortiaca Edited by: Mortiaca on 25/10/2006 RA and Goon come to us and say hey man we'll throw you a life raft. Not asking for you to help us either but really we're not here to kill you just get you out of our way. Hey Mortiaca, Just a speculation, with number of system that RAGOON is holding, the logistic of having out perform in POS war. I think that RA is pretty much stretched to limit (in term of logistic). To offer KOS an out, it's maybe a way that RA is trying to minimize their cost. Qing Tian You're right Qing but KOS without support from V and LV can't fight 4 alliances + pirates. It simply isn't possible. We'll see who the "weak" ones are when all this clears and we see how long others last against that force. KOS lasted a long time under fire. I take no shame in saying that 3 - 4 times our number defeated us. We were invaded by 200+ and we had a gang of maybe 40 - 50 being our off time. To admit defeat in the face of that after being pounded for months on end time and time again I think is perfectly honorable and completely sensible. I really have no clue why I'm even posting anymore other than the thought that there might be members in V and LV who know the difference between the eve-o propaganda and what is really going on. When I'm in system and a gang of V comes thru and someone says "hey weren't we on the same side 2 days ago?" it makes me think that maybe just maybe somewhere someone has a clue. Any position KOS is in right now we were put there and we make the decisions and manuvers we have to. I doubt very seriously if V and LV would have come and shut down Wicked Creek for us so we could leave. Infact I'm almost certain they wouldn't. LV and V from what I have seen never thought anything nice about KOS. As for LV and V sending help to N7.... sure you sent some small crap over there. Umm I remember when RA took the station in F2A. I remember the fleet that LV and V had THERE. The 2 system out lockdown on the pipe for 24 hours a day. What you guys sent to N7 was NOTHING like that. You sent enough to say that you sent something. N7 was a failing on all sides. KOS failed in both QGQ and N7. KOS did. But getting shafted by your allies is no help either.
Touk Shinra Lotka Volterra	Posted - 2006.10.25 19:30:00 - [410] Originally by: petergriffen If you were "sold out" it's because you didn't deserve any better. You let RA come into allied space and do whatever they pleased. When it was your little piece of space down in Curse, we came and helped every time, as did KOS. When calls for help went ignored from your end, what did you expect? you remember when RA lost all them dreads, 9 or so in a single fight... guess where that took place......KOS space. that was one of the many fights V LV and CHIMP all fought on KOS's behalf. Im sorry but an alliance needs to atleast be able to stand on its own 2 feet for more than 5 minutes without expecting others to run to thier aid everytime someone attacks them. Ive seen more KOS camping N-Rael than ive ever seen defending thier home systems that, as already stated were given to them by the rest of the coalition after our dreads took it.
Slarivet Caldari Distant Star Alliance	Posted - 2006.10.25 19:39:00 - [411] Originally by: Plazmalord Soban I was not acting as a cabinet member a senator nor was i assuming my role as vice president. " ive been a little busy" The Senate assumed control of KOS. which i argued was wrong and gonna lead to the failure of KOS. Ask Corvino about the ass chewing i gave him for this move... To blame me in anyway for the failure of this is wrong. My ingame sources indicate you are not Demogod. Is that not right? Other KOS members on this thread indicated that Demo was supposed to handle bringing the allies in. c0rn was speaking about Demogod having his MSN name, TS, evemail, and ingame chat, and so far as I understand, unless you are Demogod, he is not blaming you. Are you Demogod?
Mortiaca Caldari Freedom-Technologies Knights Of the Southerncross	Posted - 2006.10.25 19:44:00 - [412] LOL you know what I just realized? this is the old miner / PVPer debate. One can't survive without the other but for the life of things they can't stand to work together. Touk just made me realize that. He said something about LV and V dreads. Yeah dreads are all cool you can't hold systems with them tho. A good fleet willing to go into battle at the drop of a hat like KOS has is awsome but you can't hold systems with that. Pos's are cool but if you have no fleet or dreads they will only hold a system you can't use. I think the coalition lost sight of what each alliance was good at. The same as within KOS we lost sight of being together as an alliance as one unit and that is why we failed. I'm sure when the coalition made all it's accomplishments they worked together doing so. As someone previously said KOS was actually the POS powerhouse and LV provided the dreads (forgot what role V was supposed to be). Well I can say this KOS is not the POS powerhouse anymore. If anything we have grown into a gurilla warfare tatics alliance. LOL nah seriously we could do the POS powerhouse thing but as I said in a previous post KOS has had it's problems recently like any other alliance will experience at one point. We are also approaching a time where we could become something great. From the ashes of the old arises something new and stronger. This whole time I've been trying to post to see if people even want to understand. I truly think people don't want to actually deal with the situation. It's funner to make flames, talk smack, keep the drama going, and kill people. Keeping human reactions in mind I think the reason V and LV responded so quickly with a war dec was not from being offended. Rather that if KOS really had made a deal with RA Goon maybe it scared them. You don't kill what you aren't afraid of. Well KOS never made that deal. But I think you just won a new enemy. Think I'll just see what other people post maybe respond here and there but gonna work on what needs to be done ingame. TBH that is all that really matters. Get it done in game.
Plazmalord Soban Amarr Hounds Of War Knights Of the Southerncross	Posted - 2006.10.25 19:50:00 - [413] lol you fail to mention there was a significant amount of KOS in that fight. helped us yes we all did it together. Good times. But in no way ever has KOS been a burden to you. With the number of KOS fighting your front lines for you in aiding you. kos lv and v were strong together. Kos realised we were alone and thats the gist of it. After Dying and sitting at gate camps for 5 days or more for LV and V werhave grown tired. We ask ourselves why bother.. why should we be the morons standing in the way of RA's. everyone has got this myth kos is the weaker link thus why Everyone in the game comes down to get some kills. its no wonder we die when the enitre universe is bucking to kill us. while u sit back and ignore reports in shockwave that a 40 man plus ra fleet and 100 plus goon is over in KOS space.... why bother goin there when ur goin to die and not look spiffy on your kill boards. why bother if u cant outnumber your foe 5 to 1... LV gave us wicked lol. ur killin us with that line. Saved the weak KOS pilots... who have been fighting since we have formed. A Constant war one of which wasnt even our fight. LV wanted us to fight RA KOS didnt mind cause we believed a long while back they were helping SE. thats how we got in this crap. Were tired of it. were not your slaves. Were goin elsewhere leaving the Uber Leetest BS behind. If followed we will continue to fight and U can be sure we wont back off of that one. Find another meatshield. I believe i saw a few up an coming alliances who are willing to stand in the line of fire for you. Send em in there. See how they do.
c0rn1 Seraphin Technologies Veritas Immortalis	Posted - 2006.10.25 20:54:00 - [414] Originally by: Plazmalord Soban Corn1 didnt you leave kos cause you was burned out? Cause your rant right there with no basis on facts kinda makes me think your flippin out again. As far as not recieving any word from me. In June i had to stop gaming for about 2 months. When i get back some brainchild in KOS decided to remove the cabinet. I had to also consolidate my corp along with 3 other corps to form what u see now. 3 weeks after this my modem craps out and im stuck to being on the forum at work. I was not acting as a cabinet member a senator nor was i assuming my role as vice president. " ive been a little busy" The Senate assumed control of KOS. which i argued was wrong and gonna lead to the failure of KOS. Ask Corvino about the ass chewing i gave him for this move... To blame me in anyway for the failure of this is wrong. EVERY tower i owned that wasnt destroyed in the first wave of the n7- invasion was Stationed in 4-E where MY office was. I help up my end with all i had. Dude get a clue before u start barking and assuming shyt. Since ive got back Ive rarely seen LV and V. Unless ofcourse we are called into a CTA for then cause Nebba feels like thinning our ranks by asking us to jump into a lagged out server with no hope on the other side of being able to target a single person. And with that... i seem to remember when u were DM in KOS screaming "where the hell are LV's dreads" u ranted that like every night on ts when demo got on... Demo klept saying they are coming.... Did they ever come? NO! Use your head man. Im finding it diffucult to remain calm and respect you when u keep making the insane claims which u clearly no nuthing about. No basis on facts? Wasn't I the one who called V and LV and CHIMP the time the RA dreads got destroyed in q-gq. wasn't I the one idiot who supplied the LV/V/CHIMP dreads with stron while removing the POSs in Q-GQ where even LV/CHIMP lost 3 dreads all in all? Didn't I do alot of freighter runs which were your job at that time? wasn't I the one idiot who moved the freighter before the attack of JLo up to omist 30j and back to F-E, into Jlo even demo and you promised me to take that job at least of me (to get the towers out of Om? Demo was the one telling Chowdown/LD/Soraya how much of a POS force KOS is and that's why they considered you pulling into the coalition and have your own region. when RA attacked the station that time, who was there, huh? we had 120 ppl in alliance chat and I had 20 ppl of KOS in gang. but LV showed up with a friggin 100 ppl fleet out there. remember the day the GM removed the cargo cans at the station which were warp in points to get atlus because he was the only one being active and LV kept the rest of the RA fleet at the POS or we'd have lost the station. (the 2nd time KOS got close to lose it at that time) Who was up there in Omist when we came into KOS and tried to keep SE busy while I saw everytime I came along the POS in 7-8 see the intensive refinery working? no facts? you still gonna deny all? Demo's full mouth providing the tons of towers for JLo and all we had were the small we used to POS spam in Omist (not even 1 large tower I had in the freighter and we said we'd bring 10 at least). I am not blaming you alone. I am blaming the fact that under the leadership which you was a part of it KOS never was able to let others than you and TheT into actual responsibility. responsibility in means of sharing the space, sharing the stations (Yes, I didn't forget the greedy talk of demo when he kicked 42nd out of the alliance because they had the "boldness" to take Jlo at a point where noone else of TheT was there and they shot the station all day. And all the damn situation you are in right now isn't based on the little peons in the alliance. it is because you weren't even able to put in the effort and large towers into Q-GQ which is the damn key system for WC. Demo could've easily paid it out of his personal petty cash. you know it as well as I do. cheers x x x x x x x x x x x x x x -V- Diplomat -V- High Council Member Life's a waste of time ...
Abandon AllHope Caldari Shinra	Posted - 2006.10.25 21:05:00 - [415] Can't we all just get along?
HankMurphy Pelennor Swarm Knights Of the Southerncross	Posted - 2006.10.25 21:28:00 - [416] Originally by: Plazmalord Soban I believe i saw a few up an coming alliances who are willing to stand in the line of fire for you. Send em in there. See how they do. well said plaz. i didn't quote it all because.... well i cant stand it when ppl feel they need to quote an entire conversation you can just scroll up and read :P ---------------------- I love how the topic keeps shifting off of reasons why V LV war dec'd w/o warning and now its what KOS did wrong to lose the system No more talk about war dec'ing allies when they are under siege? No, probly better to focus on something else. Well, obviously, everybody wants to point fingers.... At least us in KOS will admit we have had to swallow some of our pride and say "yeah, mistakes were made. from top down and back up again". We know all fingers point to us as to logistically why we lost qgq. The point of almost every post i've made here is making one thing clear regarding that OP: the only person that made any of this 'kos is kos' happen was you (V and LV). The only treachery that will ever be noted from this event will the YOURS. It will not be forgotten. It sounds like the former allies think we need to burn demo at the stake or something...well again we see the fundamental differences between you and us. We dont single out our own kind and turn on them to make ourselves look better. Like picking on the fat kid in the lunch room, you waited till a moment of weakness to strike, you apparently just wanted an excuse. Being a leader isn't easy. Your gonna make mistakes. Your also expected to be online 23 hours of everyday and in contact w/ everyone you've ever met. You are expected to hold in one hand an issue that needs immediate attention and responce, and in your other hand all your constituents and that demand you dont make a decision till you've gone over it with everyone else. In the middle is someone thats simply trying to make the best decision he can w/ the situation he is in. Period. Dont try to say, 'we declared war because we didn't get an email' , sry you didn't get the memo, but real brave of you to war dec and just show up shooting blues for something you didn't know a damn thing about. WE will step forward as a team, trying to learn from our mistakes, and move forward. You will be happy to ignore all you've done in the past to other allies, and what you will probably do again in teh future. Its easier to stab someone in the back than it is to fight beside them. Its easier to come up w/ stories, excuses and resite water under teh bridge than it is to plan for the future. I feel sorry for the next ppl that ally w/ you.
Mortiaca Caldari Freedom-Technologies Knights Of the Southerncross	Posted - 2006.10.25 21:48:00 - [417] Edited by: Mortiaca on 25/10/2006 21:56:04 Hank as usual I 100% agree with you. This I will leave food for thought. Everyone outside of KOS seems to want to point fingers etc. Yes some of KOS may say "well umm you guys didn't show up". But in the end we lost both N7 and QGQ be it that we trusted people we shouldn't have or that we simply didn't get done what needed to be done. For my part it was both. Now let me say this. Who ever in this game we call eve or in this world thinks they are perfect is a fool. Generally the person with the largest ego falls the hardest because they refuse to see mistakes and learn from them. Atleast I can say that the alliance and corp I belong to admit mistake and are willing to admit that none of us are perfect and could have made the same or a worse mistake. The most important part of all of that? We stick together. I feel like we're back in high school where I hung with the "cool crowd" and the first time I kept some little nerdy dork from getting the crap beat out of him suddenly I was the outsider. I've always stuck by my friends no matter who they were. If they did wrong I will point it out and make sure they know they did wrong. However I would not abandon them. LV and V may call me a hypocrit cause according to them we are traitors. That's funny I thought we were the beat down weak ass dust blowing in the wind without a net to catch us. I didn't know that people who were about to be homeless and refugees could be considered traitors. What I do know is if these roles were reversed.... had V or LV had to get a cease fire so they could crawl out of the mud I being a member of KOS would not have war dec'd them unless they made some action to show they had turned hostile towards us. I don't sluff my friends or acquaintances until they show me with actions they are no longer my friend. LV / V you have done that. No matter what the rumors of what KOS was supposedly going to do. You were the first to shoot. You were the first to war dec. Had you not KOS would have simply moved out no questions asked. Not a single member of KOS would have fired on you. It's actually amazing after what we have done to the people who have now stopped firing on us that they aren't smashing us to pieces. I respect that alot. It shows respect and honor that they know they have us beat. We know they have us beat. And instead of when LV and V war dec'd us Goon and RA could have just stepped aside and let LV and V come in and finish what they started. They didn't. They set us blue and helped us. Now that's some **** right there that amazes me and has put more respect in my mind for people we called enemies than I had for people we called friends.
Zedic Amarr Shinra Lotka Volterra	Posted - 2006.10.25 21:54:00 - [418] This thread needs more cowbell: plink pew pew pew
Sum DumGai	Posted - 2006.10.25 23:17:00 - [419] Originally by: Zedic This thread needs more cowbell: plink pew pew pew
Mortiaca Caldari Freedom-Technologies Knights Of the Southerncross	Posted - 2006.10.25 23:45:00 - [420] Edited by: Mortiaca on 25/10/2006 23:56:04 Edited by: Mortiaca on 25/10/2006 23:55:29 Originally by: Sum DumGai snip It's amazing.... I have access to 7 accounts and I never seem to feel compelled to post on an alt...
Kriz Lupin Krookid The Dominion Empire	Posted - 2006.10.26 00:38:00 - [421] In honesty, LV/V were just waiting for a reason to attack KOS. Its a shame, but thats eve. Kos as a whole is a logistics alliance, as any in the know V/LV are aware off. Kos knew the game was up, time to move out and regroup, i guess kos should thank you LV and V for that....you helped so much. FFS sakes guys its a game, and it appears we all suck at this game and playing it real. It takes a long time to rebuild burnt bridges. Can we grow up now?
Megadon Caldari Templars of Light	Posted - 2006.10.26 03:03:00 - [422] Edited by: Megadon on 26/10/2006 03:06:20 As a former FC of KOS I will tell you the communicatins problems occurred both ways and was a very frustrating thing. The people on the other side of the fence from you saw the communications problems as being your fault. Events such as LV suddenly deciding not to continue to support their POS's in F2A is a good example. To those in the trenches, it looked like LV in the space of 24 hours gave the coalition the finger and bugged out when the reality is that i'm sure this unfolded over the course of days. In the end I think all "leaders" in the coalition failed and are still failing at their jobs. Coalitions are much more difficult to run than alliances, and I dont think the leadership (demo, lightdark, chowdown) really made the necessary effort to insure they were in constant communications with their counterparts. Seems like it was always a situation where the attitude was "oh if something needs to be said, they will be the ones to pick up the phone and call me, I'm not calling them" kind of deal, or "lets all communicate by sending letters instead of just picking up the freakin phone and getting on TS." When you have situations like that, communications is bound to break down and youre going to get situations like we're in right now, when cooler heads do not prevail which obviously they haven't. This is a real shame, because at the end of the day, LV V and KOS have killed a lot of targets together and fought a lot of battles together regardless of the many many imperfections of the coalition or occassional bad tactics. I think throwing all this good work away that was built on the corpses of our mutual enemies is a bad thing for everyone. I don't think KOS arranging a cease fire with the RAGOONIMPS so they can avoid being obliterated is a good enough of a reason to throw it away and in the end, just reflects poorly on the whole lot. There's plenty of blame to go around for everyone unfortunately.
Yazoul Samaiel Caldari Black Nova Corp Band of Brothers	Posted - 2006.10.26 03:24:00 - [423] This course of action comes as of no surprise tbh sicne it realy shows what a large cluster F* the coaltion was, During my time there i wasnt part of leadership or anything but when an entire coalition cant hold the empire choke point on N-Rael or kill RA plex runners this realy showed the efficency of it and how ppl were REALY helping each other there. TBH what LV and V are doing now is just shooting them selves in the foot since after they are done with KOS they wont realy have much to do aginst RA and Goons since they couldnt do much with the coaltion now they are alone. PS:Ephemron is gonna have some real fun "There is no such thing as innocence , only different degrees of guilt"**
Plutoinum German Cyberdome Corp Veritas Immortalis	Posted - 2006.10.26 03:40:00 - [424] Edited by: Plutoinum on 26/10/2006 03:40:35 Originally by: Kriz Lupin In honesty, LV/V were just waiting for a reason to attack KOS. Its a shame, but thats eve. Why ? You know, the territory someone can effectively control is quite limited. I remember the times in Cache several months ago, when the Coalition had pushed RA back to Cache. One big problem that delayed the takeover of Cache for some time was imho the 'What then ?'-question. We simply had no friendly alliance, who was willing and powerfull enough to takeover and secure Cache. The old coalition alliances had already enough space to care about. They wanted to remove RA also from Cache, but who should/could take and secure it wasn't clear. So I don't think that anyone was interested now in getting rid of an ally and removing they guys who secured Wicked Creek and helped out in Scalding Pass etc. If you let all feeling aside and just see it logically, I think it would have been an extremely bad idea to start trouble with KoS. P.S.: Just posting my personal view.
Kayle Ki	Posted - 2006.10.26 05:56:00 - [425] Edited by: Kayle Ki on 26/10/2006 05:59:27 While I don't agree with everything V and LV people are accusing KOS of to justify their actions, even if it were all 100% accurate, it doesn't change one simple fact- KOS got pounded, we lost our space, our funds are shot, we can't keep fighting this war. We needed to leave, our enemies gave us time to leave, and our friends are shooting us for doing so. Simple as that. The rest of the drama being dragged up in this thread is just to take the focus off that very simple situation. It DOESN'T MATTER who is to blame for getting us to this situation. Even if KOS was the most inept conglomeration of morons to ever turn on a computer, and deserved every piece of the pounding we recieved in the war, and were heaven blessed to be able to be on V and LVs side, none of that justifies being attacked by our heavenly friends for leaving when we're beaten. I don't care about how much V and LV helped or didn't help KOS. I don't care if V and LV never lifted a finger to help us defend our space, or even to evacuate our space. I don't need my hand held. What I do want is the same consideration from our "allies" as we got from our enemies, a moment to limp away from the fight with what we have left. Unless somebody from V or LV wants to actually claim that KOS was planning to join forces with RA and GOON, then every other "justification" is just silly.
Kyguard Fire Mandrill Astrophobics	Posted - 2006.10.26 06:01:00 - [426] Guys guys guys, can we not all just get along? The real enemy here is the FLA, they puppeteered everything!! === It's great being Amarr, aint it?(tm) [Insert badass sig to match ego here]
Murukan Minmatar The Priory Interstellar Alcohol Conglomerate	Posted - 2006.10.26 06:08:00 - [427] Originally by: Zedic This thread needs more cowbell: plink pew pew pew babies before we're done you'll all be wearing gold diapers. In rust we trust!!!
Zedic Amarr Shinra Lotka Volterra	Posted - 2006.10.26 10:49:00 - [428] que? That makes no sense. Oh and; "plink"
Joshua Foiritain Gallente Coreli Corporation Corelum Syndicate	Posted - 2006.10.26 10:57:00 - [429] Originally by: Kayle Ki KOS got pounded, we lost our space, our funds are shot, we can't keep fighting this war. We needed to leave, our enemies gave us time to leave, and our friends are shooting us for doing so. Would things be diffrent if you leader hadnt lied to the coalition? I think they would... ----- [Coreli Corporation Mainframe]
Mortiaca Caldari Freedom-Technologies Knights Of the Southerncross	Posted - 2006.10.26 16:51:00 - [430] Edited by: Mortiaca on 26/10/2006 16:54:07 Originally by: Joshua Foiritain Originally by: Kayle Ki KOS got pounded, we lost our space, our funds are shot, we can't keep fighting this war. We needed to leave, our enemies gave us time to leave, and our friends are shooting us for doing so. Would things be diffrent if you leader hadnt lied to the coalition? I think they would... You're funny. No I don't think they would be different. Considering you are shooting at the entire alliance for the actions of 1 person? LOL That makes a whole lot of sense. Look if you can't get the idea that Knights of the Southerncross = the members. No where in there did I see someone War Dec Demogod. I see they war dec'd KOS. As for getting the crap beat out of us and the "lines of communication" I seem to remember somewhere that we had a coalition channel. When N7 went into the crapper I remember alot of V and LV saying they've never heard of that channel. I wonder why we didn't get help when those of us who are not in command were shouting and screaming in there for help.
mannyman Ghosts Of Stealth Knights Of the Southerncross	Posted - 2006.10.26 19:24:00 - [431] seen the member count for KOS lately ? it went from 1800 members to 1200 in a few days... and still counting downwards..
Plazmalord Soban Amarr Hounds Of War Knights Of the Southerncross	Posted - 2006.10.26 19:43:00 - [432] Edited by: Plazmalord Soban on 26/10/2006 19:43:45 lost 3 corps... one of which spread the misinformation about kos's intentions of setting allies to negative after a retreat...
Mortiaca Caldari Freedom-Technologies Knights Of the Southerncross	Posted - 2006.10.26 20:29:00 - [433] Originally by: mannyman seen the member count for KOS lately ? it went from 1800 members to 1200 in a few days... and still counting downwards.. People who... 1. Didn't know what was going on because they never cared to. 2. Were considering leaving KOS because it wasn't the right aliance for them from the start. 3. Are wishy washy and hoping to pick "the side that wins" which is no one so that doesn't much work. 4. Spies 5. Good people who have decided that themselves or their corp wasn't ready for 0.0 yet. 6. Pick any other reason you would like. The fact that there are still 1200 people left says that there are 1200 people who know they did nothing wrong and are sticking together because that is what any group needs to do and should want to do in a time of need. For the other 400 I won't condemn or praise them. They simply needed and wanted a different situation for one reason or another. The same as I do not take it personally when someone joins our corp talks to no one and 1 week after joining leaves. I think you can't possibly know a corp in 1 week but that is their choice not mine. Possibly we just weren't the corp for them even tho I think we have one of the best corps you could ever have.
Roland 99 Minmatar Battlestars Imperium Alliance	Posted - 2006.10.26 20:36:00 - [434] F-ck it. im getting a little tired of chasing VI shuttles all over the wildlands as it is. _______ My pod is filled with beer. Dont make me spring a leak
Mortiaca Caldari Freedom-Technologies Knights Of the Southerncross	Posted - 2006.10.26 20:46:00 - [435] Originally by: Roland 99 F-ck it. im getting a little tired of chasing VI shuttles all over the wildlands as it is. LOL I know how you feel. Got that same thing with a few inties last night. Jump run 300km off gate, warp, jump, run. Exhasting. I think I liked it better when I got obliterated by 20 hostiles I didn't know were on the other side of a gate.
DeeCo Shinra Lotka Volterra	Posted - 2006.10.26 20:56:00 - [436] Stating your alliance is 1200 strong is inaccurate. Consider if everyone has at least one alt, which cuts down your member ship to 600 people. Consider who are active? LetÆs say 1 in 3, which would cut down to 200 active players. Now factor in the time zone differencesàcut that down by 50%...you now have 100 people online at one time to defend an entire region. Now, lastly, factor in those that are Miners / PvEà This goes for everyone, basically what IÆm getting at, donÆt pay attention to any particular allianceÆs numbers. KOS just didnÆt have enough active players, who PvP, to back up their systemàand they lost. Drink water, drive on, and try again. If any regular KOS members are reading this, who werenÆt in a ôleadershipö position, donÆt take the war declaration personal. From my point of view, it was a decision based upon the mistakes made by those who are able to make decisions for your alliance. Furthermore, itÆs just a game we all play, mistakes were made on both sides, but weÆre all here to have as much fun as possible. DonÆt be discouraged, but it maybe also time for you to think about trying something new (Corporation, Alliance). Fly safe pilots, and try not to take anything personal. Lastly, for those who are bringing real life into this game, get a grip on reality. THIS IS A GAME. To error is human. ------------------- - Dee Proud member of Shinra -LV-
HankMurphy Pelennor Swarm Knights Of the Southerncross	Posted - 2006.10.26 21:27:00 - [437] Originally by: DeeCo donÆt take the war declaration personal... ...Furthermore, itÆs just a game we all play.... ....try not to take anything personal. To error is human. seriously? lol I've heard many stories of ppl running out on corps and taking assets w/ em. I'm sure we've all heard stories of ppl getting stabbed in the back in many facets of this game. I got 50isk says the perpetrator ALWAYS says, 'dont take it personally'. Thats a nifty line ppl like to use when they know they just made a d1ck move and dont want ppl to remember them as d1cks. I dont think any of us (well most of us :P) have any delusions this is just a game. That has nothing to do w/ it really. Yeah, to err is human. but to be a d1ck is to be a d1ck. I, my corp and the rest of this alliance w/ make it by w/o your wonderful advise and words of wisdom.... we will fight another day. But every pilot you fire on in teh name of supposidly punishing our leader(s) shows your betrayal. Nice pat on the back, but too little WAY too late, I dont think anyone is gonna look at you or V the same. Your names are tainted, your actions have spoken, good luck w/ your future PR campaigns.
Mortiaca Caldari Freedom-Technologies Knights Of the Southerncross	Posted - 2006.10.26 21:34:00 - [438] Just for you DeeCo I changed the wording. It actually wasn't my intention to state that we had 1200 actual players. Just a bad choice of words. You should be able to read it now and get the true intention of the post. Which, incidentally said the same thing yours did people felt the need to go somewhere else. However, I would not approve of a nice little plug in there telling pilots they might want to consider something new. Saying that there are some that have decided they need something new and suggesting to others that they might consider it as a suggestion and not a statement are 2 totally different things. It's about as bad as -V- flying thru 4E the other night trying to recruit "the non-traitors". Dun dun dun. If you are going to try to make a post that sounds impartial and non-stabbing read it a couple of times. Yes it's just a game. We're all human we make mistakes. If CCP pulled the plug tomarrow we'd all go back to our lives. It's not like any of this is going to "ruin someone's life" or acctually "kill them" if it does that is something they might need to investigate. If there is one thing that people can take from this eve-o thread it's that you can have 15 pages of nothing. It's a game and there's no accountability for what people say. I know some probably think less of me now than they did before. I know the saying that your reputation is all you have in eve. I also know that your reputation has a large bearing on your real life. I stick by what I know is right whether it ruins my reputation or not. Sometimes the popular opinion or believe is not the truth.
DeeCo Shinra Lotka Volterra	Posted - 2006.10.26 22:48:00 - [439] Originally by: HankMurphy Originally by: DeeCo donÆt take the war declaration personal... ...Furthermore, itÆs just a game we all play.... ....try not to take anything personal. To error is human. seriously? lol I've heard many stories of ppl running out on corps and taking assets w/ em. I'm sure we've all heard stories of ppl getting stabbed in the back in many facets of this game. I got 50isk says the perpetrator ALWAYS says, 'dont take it personally'. Thats a nifty line ppl like to use when they know they just made a d1ck move and dont want ppl to remember them as d1cks. I dont think any of us (well most of us :P) have any delusions this is just a game. That has nothing to do w/ it really. Yeah, to err is human. but to be a d1ck is to be a d1ck. I, my corp and the rest of this alliance w/ make it by w/o your wonderful advise and words of wisdom.... we will fight another day. But every pilot you fire on in teh name of supposidly punishing our leader(s) shows your betrayal. Nice pat on the back, but too little WAY too late, I dont think anyone is gonna look at you or V the same. Your names are tainted, your actions have spoken, good luck w/ your future PR campaigns. Hank man, you have way too much hate built up inside. Relax. I do understand though, some jack ass's use the "don't take it personally" a way to be an ass. I was referring to the majority. Think outside the box. Furthermore, my enemy will be the Red Alliance / Goonswarm as always. I don't consider KOS my enemies, mistakes were made on both sides. Anyways, this thread has burnt itself out. The "leaders" need to get their ass's on the phone and make some personal phone calls to settle this crap. Also, if you can't handle being in a position, STEP DOWN. Maybe, just maybe...the coalition should have waited until KOS turned their standings to negative before war declaring...otherwise we don't have any evidence to prove or disprove the rumor. All this just seems immature. Morticaa, yer right, it did sound condescending. I wasn't trying to focus on yer post, I was using it as an example to ramble I recon. Anyways, take care. ------------------- - Dee Proud member of Shinra -LV-
HankMurphy Pelennor Swarm Knights Of the Southerncross	Posted - 2006.10.26 23:05:00 - [440] Edited by: HankMurphy on 26/10/2006 23:09:21 Originally by: DeeCo Hank man, you have way too much hate built up inside. Relax. I do understand though, some jack ass's use the "don't take it personally" a way to be an ass. I was referring to the majority....... I understand there are good and bad pilots on both sides of the fence. I dont hold each individual pilot responsible for teh actions of your leadership, i've met some great guys in my time out here. But understand its not built up hate, i just want to make it 100% clear what has happened and is happening. Alot of ppl in the last 15 pages would love ppl to think/believe things that are just not true. I did alot of 'yeah ok whatever' when my ERA friends complained about the coalition in their last days because i knew that it takes two to tango. Mistakes are rarely all one-sided. But then they didn't get war dec'd as they tried to leave Originally by: DeeCo Maybe, just maybe...the coalition should have waited until KOS turned their standings to negative before war declaring...otherwise we don't have any evidence to prove or disprove the rumor. All this just seems immature. you couldn't have said it better. Especially since (as we said before), we were never going to do that. If anyone does have any antimocity over this, i think its probaby over the fact 90% of teh former coalition just wont recognize the above fact. Go look at teh OP again. Head back to page 1 and take a good look at it. Ppl post here for teh entire community to see. Like Mortiaca said, all you really have in this game is your reputation. Believe me I am more than calm over this, but that doesn't mean i'll be silent. --------------------------- summary of all of hank's last posts: I'll be damned if I let traitors create a thread alledging WE were the traitors. MISTAKES were made on both sides, KOS pilots & leaders can face that. but... The treachery, the backstabbing. THAT was ALL on V / LV side Your pilots & leaders are going to have to face that and carry it (and other black eye's) with you.
Plutoinum German Cyberdome Corp Veritas Immortalis	Posted - 2006.10.27 01:08:00 - [441] Edited by: Plutoinum on 27/10/2006 01:09:47 Originally by: HankMurphy The treachery, the backstabbing. THAT was ALL on V / LV side I don't agree. KoS leadership acted stupid. They napped RA and made a plan to pull-out from Wicked Creek without telling the rest of the coalition. They tried to keep it secret. When Demogod was asked about it, he lied. Those are facts so far. V/LV could only guess, what KoS' intention was. The only thing that was clear was that KoS-leadership couldn't be trusted in that moment. And sorry, alliance politics works on a leadership level and the members have to suck it up or leave the alliance, if something goes wrong, at least, until it's resolved. It would have been back-stabbing, if kos leadership had been honest about what was going on and didn't lie. But looks like they gave a f***. So what was the deal ? Hand over the rest of an important region between V and LV space peacefully to RA without telling the Coalition to get this NAP with RA in return to move out ? I'd call that also betrayal (again not from each member, but on a leadership level) In the end everyone can have his own opinion, but what has happened has happend. The question is not, if I like KoS. The question is, where I stand. The answer is: By my alliance. Same for the KOS guys I think so here we are.
Areconus Caldari Cereal Killerz Chimaera Pact	Posted - 2006.10.27 04:07:00 - [442] Originally by: Mortiaca Edited by: Mortiaca on 26/10/2006 16:54:07 Originally by: Joshua Foiritain Originally by: Kayle Ki KOS got pounded, we lost our space, our funds are shot, we can't keep fighting this war. We needed to leave, our enemies gave us time to leave, and our friends are shooting us for doing so. Would things be diffrent if you leader hadnt lied to the coalition? I think they would... You're funny. No I don't think they would be different. Considering you are shooting at the entire alliance for the actions of 1 person? LOL That makes a whole lot of sense. Look if you can't get the idea that Knights of the Southerncross = the members. No where in there did I see someone War Dec Demogod. I see they war dec'd KOS. As for getting the crap beat out of us and the "lines of communication" I seem to remember somewhere that we had a coalition channel. When N7 went into the crapper I remember alot of V and LV saying they've never heard of that channel. I wonder why we didn't get help when those of us who are not in command were shouting and screaming in there for help. Just the fact that you admitted that your alliance leader did lie tells us something.... Gloria Stitz- "Try not to bring reality in to these forums Otherwise we might take the game seriously"
VBboy Caldari The Phoenix Rising Chimaera Pact	Posted - 2006.10.27 10:34:00 - [443] There must be loads of pilots in KOS who still have allegence to the Coalition...I wonder if they will revolt from within or move to corps within the coalition?
HatePeace LoveWar Amarr FATAL REVELATIONS Lotka Volterra	Posted - 2006.10.27 10:59:00 - [444] foolish.
Shadoo The Taining corp Knights Of the Southerncross	Posted - 2006.10.27 11:13:00 - [445] Pfft. This thread has degrated to "he said, she said" bunch of nothingness and worthless spinning for PR. Drama value is now 0, Nebba isn't even eating any candles anymore. Some KOS corps will go, join perhaps old friends, some KOS pilots will go, perhaps join old friends. KOS itself however is going away from Wicked Creek -- and we take our most stubborn, committed and valued pilots. With our pilots we take lessons learned from our respected enemies RA and Goons. We also take lessons learned from our respected partners for the last 9 months, -V-, CHIMP and LV. We will go and rebuild, restock and refresh. Then we will then give our most stubborn, committed and valued pilots a new worthy challenge, which does not involve any of our old friends or foes from the past 9 months. Time will tell if we succeed or try again. This is all. Good luck -V-, CHIMP, RA, Goons, Imp, LV. Thanks for all the fish.
Elve Sorrow Amarr Shinra Lotka Volterra	Posted - 2006.10.27 11:17:00 - [446] Will this new worthy challenge involve dropping Outposts in a certain set of regions that currently dont have any? gl, either way. It's great being Amarr, aint it?
Burzon PAX Interstellar Services	Posted - 2006.10.27 11:22:00 - [447] Hmmm, it is very hard to believe that this is all happening. If i and my corp would not have left -V- before this incident we would have by now. It does not matter on how things were perceived from coaltion leadership and it does not matter wether or not Demogod lied when being questioned in coalition leadership channels. All i can say is that what would have mattered would have been some sort of patience, reasoning and diplomatic skill. I would have even agreed on setting KOS to neutral for the time where no information was available or the information was still too vagues for finding the final decision, but directly declaring them KOS and waging war on them is so utterly stupid that it took me days to come up with this answer. I had the utmost respsect for LV and -V- leadership (having been -V- Vice President for the last months), but this decisions realy hit me and surprised me. Why did you guys not even take into decision that your allies where on their knees and might have needed help ? Why did you not take into decision that KOS leadership was not in best shape and therefore information flow might be somewhat problematic ? Why did you not take into decision that there was the chance for finding better solutions ? Why did you not take into decision that you are not (expecially not -V-) in a postion to make more enemies ? A lot of questions and tbh before declaring war i would have answered and discussed these questions. Sad, very sad indeed. Burzon CEO PAX Interstellar Need salvation or paxification ? Call us !
Masochist Shinra	Posted - 2006.10.27 11:23:00 - [448] OH MY!!! KOS made me primary :)
Unfamed II FinFleet Lotka Volterra	Posted - 2006.10.27 12:44:00 - [449] Originally by: VBboy There must be loads of pilots in KOS who still have allegence to the Coalition...I wonder if they will revolt from within or move to corps within the coalition? Thats already happened, and will continue to do so, most KOS corps have what it takes to continue fighting against ragoon. Thanks them for that.
Plutoinum German Cyberdome Corp Veritas Immortalis	Posted - 2006.10.27 13:06:00 - [450] Edited by: Plutoinum on 27/10/2006 13:07:21 Originally by: Shadoo Pfft. This thread has degrated to "he said, she said" bunch of nothingness... Yes, sorry for that, I originally wanted to avoid that. Quote: This is all. Good luck -V-, CHIMP, RA, Goons, Imp, LV. Thanks for all the fish. Good luck for you too and be assured that I'm not happy with this ending either. I still remember the days when KoS moved into Wicked Creek, when I got invited to KOS-TS etc., was a few days before we joined V.
Edison Frisk Minmatar Shinra Lotka Volterra	Posted - 2006.10.27 13:25:00 - [451] Edited by: Edison Frisk on 27/10/2006 13:25:22 Originally by: Nebba Kenezzer The key to their return is Max Teranous finally viewing the "Anchorman" cinematic experience. T H E K E Y 'stay sassy'
Gokil The Taining corp Knights Of the Southerncross	Posted - 2006.10.27 14:49:00 - [452] Just let this thread end finally. Much respect to our former allies for the last nine months. Hope one day you will be blue again but until then, see you all in space. Originally by: Edison Frisk Edited by: Edison Frisk on 27/10/2006 13:25:22 Originally by: Nebba Kenezzer The key to their return is Max Teranous finally viewing the "Anchorman" cinematic experience. T H E K E Y 'stay sassy'
SubZer0'Soban	Posted - 2006.12.26 16:41:00 - [453] Originally by: c0rn1 Lemme tell you something. I was in KOS, when KOS got WC. I was there, 20h/7d to fuel POSs, fight RED, put up more POSs, Coordinating the fight with LV, CHIMP and V to get them come up to Q-GQ when the RA dreads attacked KOS POSs and we killed 10/11 of their dreads. I was fighting hard for WC. I fought so hard that I was brutally exhausted after the month I was there. So I moved myself into SERA because I felt it was about time for a change to pickup new power and new goals. KOS came into the coalition at that time as POS powerhouse. We ALL agreed at that time that the systems have to be at least 50% coverage with large POSs or at least Large and the Rest small in any system because we knew of RA POS spamming ability. Now what. -V- has covered 100% of all moons in all their system and KOS, the POS powerhouse fell in 48h because they were too lazy to fuel and put up the POSs. And you know why I - even it is kinda hard to see KOS lose what I fought for as well- can say goodbye. Because KOS didn't want to OWN the region. If leadership would'Ve included all corps in the decisions and let corps' have their station too then it would be a much tighter alliance than it is. KOS is a lose pile of individual corps who don't care if they lose something because basically they never really fought for it. Tell me a 2400 ppl alliance who isn't able to maintain 100 POSs? -V- has 5 stations with 100 POSs covered and we can easily handle it. But due to the fact that the leadership doesn't want a long term relationship with the corps in their own alliance, they decided that TheT has to have all stations. It'd have been no problem as long as the responsible leadership for this would've taken care of coverage of the moons as well, but they forced the people in KOS to cover the stations only owned by the leadership. Yesterday LD asked demo in his face if he has NAPed RAGOON and he lied into his face trying to disperse any upcoming problems he might have if he'd be honest. He could've had it another way and the coalition would've helped him but I never got a message of him the past days that he needs help. and I think he knows very well how to get that into my mailbox. But he rather came to the conclusion that he really Fecked up with his POS stuff and just hand the region over without even a fight, not being honest with his allies and doing stuff behind our back. These are all the consequences he has to carry on his back. I am sorry for the friends I have in KOS. Demo used to be a frienda mine too but this is hilarious and even I was like WTF. It makes sense now. It makes sense that basically all the good friends I once had in KOS moved out with their corps because of this incompetent and greedy leadership. I admire the rest that's still in it that you still are able to deal with it. And sorry shadoo, it has to come that way. You loyalty speaks mountains and I'd rather have you on my side of the fence than on the other side but I guess that's not going to happen anytime soon. Regards c0rn1 now thats it. i was forced to move in rl and im still offline because in that crappy place where i live is still no inet aviable.i started eve in beta ,then i was 2 years off.i came back around june this year and played for 2 month. then i was offline again because of moving. so i decided to go online for 4 ! days in the house of my mum while im doing a christmas visit . i payd 30 bucks to get the dam* 50 day tc and now im stuck midspace in a system some jumps away from my home base which was q-gq. i cant do sh.. ! + a bonus : im in my best ship, roundabout 500m floating trash now, im to scared to fly around with it because its all i have - my moneyhorse. i always hated demo because that di.. still owes me a armageddon + equipment. i never liked how this so called alliance was handling politics. im a friend of plaz since beta and i NEVER change to another corp then his ones plaz got my loyality.noone else !
SubZer0'Soban	Posted - 2006.12.26 16:46:00 - [454] so what can i do now ? who helps me to get me oudda there + my ALL stuff still hanging around in q-gq and f-e station ? noone. im a neutral now in the middle of 0.0 space - prey. well done. so all my efforts the last 3 years are just a waste of time or what huh ? wtf someone contact me ingame if hes willing to help, i got no options left now or at least lemme dock in q-gq so i can drop my ship there and hope for better times in 0.4+ ....thanks demo, i hope u rot in hell .
Skrypt Shinra Lotka Volterra	Posted - 2006.12.26 18:14:00 - [455] Necromancy ftl. ___________
Tyleritus Shinra Lotka Volterra	Posted - 2006.12.26 18:14:00 - [456] Necroing a thread 4TL, and well all i can say is LOL dont get Pis*sed at LV/V because your leadership decided to NAP Ragoons, isnt htis thread locked yet?
Nebba Kenezzer Minmatar Shinra Lotka Volterra	Posted - 2006.12.26 18:40:00 - [457] I see you windin' and grindin' up on that pole, I know you see me lookin' at you and you already know; I wanna love you, you already know. I wanna love you. Nebba - The Vocal Majority
nickky01 The Priory Shroud Of Darkness	Posted - 2006.12.26 20:55:00 - [458] Originally by: Nebba Kenezzer I see you windin' and grindin' up on that pole, I know you see me lookin' at you and you already know; I wanna love you, you already know. I wanna love you. convict
Chienka Al's Salvage and Rigging	Posted - 2006.12.26 20:59:00 - [459] Thread bumps are too powerful! Nerf necros!
Tobias Raddick Caldari Raddick Explorations	Posted - 2006.12.26 21:04:00 - [460] Edited by: Tobias Rad*** on 26/12/2006 21:05:32* I command this thread to live! Liiiive! In other words, a lock would be nice. We're way past Halloween now.
Miss Overlord Gallente Ferrum Pugnus New Eve Order	Posted - 2006.12.26 22:02:00 - [461] Originally by: SubZer0'Soban Edited by: SubZer0''Soban on 26/12/2006 19:52:34 so what can i do now ? who helps me to get me oudda there + my ALL stuff still hanging around in q-gq and f-e station ? noone. im a neutral now in the middle of 0.0 space - prey. well done. so all my efforts the last 3 years are just a waste of time or what huh ? wtf someone contact me ingame if hes willing to help, i got no options left now or at least lemme dock in q-gq so i can drop my ship there and hope for better times in 0.4+ ....oh well...things are already worse ;=) . please pay privateers to war dec all youre enemies they like choas. ( contact surrup) look for privateer alliance ingame - they take on paid merc jobs, revenge merc jobs and basically are open to any PVP recruits that wanna fight up to 15 big wars at once total choas but profitable to These posts represent my personal views and not those of my corp or alliance. These do not reflect offical alliance or corp views This is a disclaimer
HankMurphy Pelennor Swarm Eternal Rangers of Terror	Posted - 2006.12.26 22:54:00 - [462] subzero, if you see me online, toss me a convo, i'll can run a scout for ya to get you as far as the curse NPC stations..... outside of that. you should still see some KOS flying around. went for a little cruise the other day and i see they are happy carebearing away in the same old systems. Guess they are buddy buddy w/ RA now. So if ya wanna go that route, you can probly still get some access to the stations. It would take a large amount of assets for me to convo demo again though.... like i'd have to have 15 titans and the golden fleece in my q-gq hangar. You think he screwed you? You have like a 400 person line to stand in (thats not counting alts ) but we wont get into that on here
Tyleritus Shinra Lotka Volterra	Posted - 2006.12.26 22:55:00 - [463] Originally by: Nebba Kenezzer I see you windin' and grindin' up on that pole, I know you see me lookin' at you and you already know; I wanna love you, you already know. I wanna love you. Was that a refernace to my new chosen profession Nebba?
DeMundus The Establishment Establishment	Posted - 2006.12.26 23:20:00 - [464] And I thought we where the only ones left in search for T H E K E Y! And what does a key do? KOS good luck Abandon all hope But take care of teh cake!11 - Immy
FowlPlayChiken Sharks With Frickin' Laser Beams Mercenary Coalition	Posted - 2006.12.26 23:20:00 - [465] back, savage beast, back! only a headshot will kill it! fires blindly into the zombie horde why wont you just stay DEAD! AHHHHHHHH! forum necromancy ftl:-p Just podded this sig, now where is my toy? - Wrangler
Chowdown Gallente Shinra Lotka Volterra	Posted - 2006.12.26 23:27:00 - [466] Originally by: DeMundus And I thought we where the only ones left in search for T H E K E Y! And what does a key do? KOS good luck What?
Tyleritus Shinra Lotka Volterra	Posted - 2006.12.27 00:22:00 - [467] Originally by: Chowdown Originally by: DeMundus And I thought we where the only ones left in search for T H E K E Y! And what does a key do? KOS good luck yeah lol too little too late KOS are allready dead. What?
Crypt Gallente Feral Tendency Ratel Alliance	Posted - 2006.12.27 03:37:00 - [468] So the Coalition gives KOS a bunch of towers to set-up in WC but those towers never got set up? Then KOS runs off to help Smash who mysteriously all of a sudden(overnight even) had 30 large towers to deploy in Geminate...hmmmm, makes ya wonder huh? Guess the towers were needed more in Geminate than they were in WC. Quote: It is a poor sort of man who is content to be spoon-fed knowledge that has been filtered through the canon of religious or political belief

Huitzilopochtli Tlaloc Forum Moderator Interstellar Services Department	Posted - 2006.12.27 13:53:00 - [469] Locking this thread for necromancy, especialy as it was necroed by somone not displaying there corp / allaince details. - Thanks Hutch. ____ forum rules \| Email us They call me "Hutch" because my name is well... long


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