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mr passie Minmatar Purgatorial Janitors Inc. Knights Of the Southerncross	Posted - 2006.10.24 08:42:00 - [211] Originally by: Major Tarsis Can I ask on a side note what was the Official reason your 'senate' gave the KOS membership for NAPing RAGOONS? After RA and Goons saw that the coalition abandoned us (and we fully realised we were NEVER going to keep WC without support) they allowed us to leave with our assets. In my opinion a much more honorable arrangement then the wardec from V/LV. There was absolutely NO condition that we would ever change sides if that is what you are hinting at. ----------------------------------------------- I'm a reversed paranoid schizophrenic. I have voices in my head I just think I don't hear them
Garia666 Amarr adeptus gattacus Lotka Volterra	Posted - 2006.10.24 08:47:00 - [212] Look guys **** happens .. Leaders make decisions as they think is best for them /( Alliance ). Things happend as they are. Just shoot eachother and be happy ->My Vids<-
Kriger Art of War Cult of War	Posted - 2006.10.24 08:51:00 - [213] Originally by: Omeega .. useless stuff.. just wondering.. dont u ever get tired of posting jibberish babble all the time? no wait.. dont answer that.. .:: Kriger's gfx Factory ::.
Light Darkness Seraphin Technologies Veritas Immortalis	Posted - 2006.10.24 08:55:00 - [214] Originally by: Omeega VLV, It's a pretty bad mistake you've just done there. KOS fighted, and fighted well. (by this i mean in fleet engagements at 80kms without scramblers on them they managed to actualy align and warpout before dieing - wich is not a given thing for some Shinra pilots) And you sure have some balls talking about treachery. Chowdown > LD, we have two problems. First, RA doesn't read the eve-o.com forums and can't know how we wtfpwnbbq'em daily and because of that our reputation is begining to crumble (even old ERA members come and smack us on our posts! ) Light Darkness > I see young padawan - we need to do something about this. Let's find a aweakened ally and declare on him! We might have chances to get some kills (and we'll say on forums that they actualy fighted and didn't logoffski - god i'm so ebil). Then our troops morale will be boosted up. Chowdown > who to chose? let's go for KOS, I heard they were on their knees! Light Darkness > Okay let's chose for a random excuse : O H K E Y, treachery! Great, I love that one! Chowdown > Oh, wait, one more problem- Omeega might have found our secret plan! Nebba, get something going for Omeega. Nebba > aye, no problem Omeega luves meh! Hast-s-LV-alt > aye I'll talk to Omee ♥ Nebba > don't be stupid I still need babies Hast! ... Omeega > Nebb, Hast, thanks for the carrier you shouldn't have!!! Nebba > well the only condition in recieving this gift is that all your 5 accounts get perma banned from the eve-o forums. Omeega > W T H! I rather die!!! Hast > Nebba! I told you i should I have talked to him before you! ... to be continued. ...still lub you to omeega /LD -V-eritas Immortalis Originally by: nync we fisrt time saw -v-members ctrl+qing to save their ships,we started to think how to pay attention of eve community
FrioBebe Rampage Eternal	Posted - 2006.10.24 08:55:00 - [215] Originally by: putukas if one is naped with your enemy and in your intel channels that means they are your enemies. period. We left your information channel out of respect. Orders were clear, to leave your coalition channel to prevent any suspicions and cause any thoghts of faul play. We as a corp had no intrest in the conflict consearing You and RA. Reason some might have popped in at a later time is cause of using different computers etc. There were at that time no information sharing with RA. I respect V and LV, and I wont ask for anything but mutual respect back. keep the fights clean, yes we love your 60 on 20 it makes us feel special :) And keep local clear as the sky. frio RAM is recruting
Zafon Caldari FATAL REVELATIONS Lotka Volterra	Posted - 2006.10.24 09:15:00 - [216] hhmmm, something doesn't add up here. KoS have to retreat from an area (because they have messed up POS, because the Coalition hasn't supported them enough, because RA are too good at what they do, whatever.....). In the abstract that's all fine and dandy, nasty brown stuff happens. There's two real options:- 1) KoS retreat from the field of conflict against RAGOON towards their allies (ie -V- and LV), thus helping to reinforce their allies at the same time as getting the chance to regroup. or 2) KoS retreat from the field of conflict towards Empire, away from their allies, at the behest of RAGOON, without telling their allies that they were withdrawing. Perhaps to regroup to come back out to the South. What was going through the minds of KoS leadership when they chose option 2? All I can say here is lovely piece of diplomatic intrigue on RAGOON's part. Divide and conquer still works wonders.... Zafon
Komolov Gallente REUNI0N Red Alliance	Posted - 2006.10.24 09:19:00 - [217] Edited by: Komolov on 24/10/2006 09:22:26 Originally by: Ephemeron I don't really know what other KOS people did, but I was no part of it. Are you sure that you want ME as your enemy? :-/ I want! I want! You're dropping nice loot. As one Xenobyte said: "Farm him. He's like a flying 10/10 plex" --------------------
Komolov Gallente REUNI0N Red Alliance	Posted - 2006.10.24 09:20:00 - [218] Edited by: Komolov on 24/10/2006 09:20:52 Errrrr --------------------
Major Tarsis Shinra Lotka Volterra	Posted - 2006.10.24 09:21:00 - [219] The only thing that puzzles me in all this is that I recieved intel that this was 100% going to happen 2 different sources before KOS even held their 'Senate' meeting of CEOs. MT My comments are purely in character and should not be considered a personal attack especially if taken out of context. - awaiting mods reply via email.
welsh wizard Celestial Apocalypse Insurgency	Posted - 2006.10.24 09:31:00 - [220] Edited by: welsh wizard on 24/10/2006 09:32:08 Originally by: Light Darkness ....Not 100% correct. RA/GOON engaged already Q-GQ and i (-V-) got no infos. To cry in the leadership channel isnt the right way to ask for help. Why we have Mail systems in EvE? IF Demo or any KOS leader send a mail to me or -V- Directors then we was always open to help you guys.... Who has seen the episode of futurama where Hermes has to requisition his groove back? Bureaucracy gone mad... Originally by: anonymous If you're being chased by a police dog, try not to go through a tunnel, then on to a little seesaw, then jump through a hoop of fire. They're trained for that.

Guderian Gallente Shinra Lotka Volterra	Posted - 2006.10.24 09:33:00 - [221] Once a great alliance leader said "there is always deniability". I guess that goes for KOS and the trick they tried to pull. Go join SMASH in Germinate, rebuild and come back and kill -V- and LV as you had planned before any of this happened. And RA, nice pull on the devide and conquer trick. Sadly you chose the weakest link. "Blessed is he, who walks through life in ignorance, 'cause he does not know the dangers that lies beyond."
mr passie Minmatar Purgatorial Janitors Inc. Knights Of the Southerncross	Posted - 2006.10.24 09:40:00 - [222] Originally by: Guderian Once a great alliance leader said "there is always deniability". I guess that goes for KOS and the trick they tried to pull. Go join SMASH in Germinate, rebuild and come back and kill -V- and LV as you had planned before any of this happened. And RA, nice pull on the devide and conquer trick. Sadly you chose the weakest link. And the tin foil hat award goes to............ (PS I used to be in FLA) ----------------------------------------------- I'm a reversed paranoid schizophrenic. I have voices in my head I just think I don't hear them
Daroh Solar Dragons Red Alliance	Posted - 2006.10.24 09:40:00 - [223] Shinra +1 backstab (5 total: CA, -5-, RA, UCC, KOS) who will be next? Probably -V-... )
Guderian Gallente Shinra Lotka Volterra	Posted - 2006.10.24 09:43:00 - [224] Originally by: mr passie Originally by: Guderian Once a great alliance leader said "there is always deniability". I guess that goes for KOS and the trick they tried to pull. Go join SMASH in Germinate, rebuild and come back and kill -V- and LV as you had planned before any of this happened. And RA, nice pull on the devide and conquer trick. Sadly you chose the weakest link. And the tin foil hat award goes to............ (PS I used to be in FLA) When one starts getting independent reports about KOS pulling a badie on you from people who are -10 to your alliance, you start to think why you need enemies, when you have friends like KOS. "Blessed is he, who walks through life in ignorance, 'cause he does not know the dangers that lies beyond."
Gen Kumon Caldari Pirates of Destruction Union Pirate Coalition	Posted - 2006.10.24 09:49:00 - [225] You know...as a former member of KOS and general enemy to both KOS and LV...this is actually pretty funny. I'm not going to say KOS didn't deserve it, but it only goes to show what happens when you rely on LV. So...I'm just going to sit back and laugh as two of the groups I like least in EVE go shooty-shooty on each other.
sidthesexist Caldari Euphoria Released Euphoria Unleashed	Posted - 2006.10.24 09:50:00 - [226] Originally by: Daroh Shinra +1 backstab (5 total: CA, -5-, RA, UCC, KOS) who will be next? Probably -V-... ) People who know me know me n Shinra dont get on but i can say this right here and now, Shinra didnt backstab CA -5- nor RA and especially not KOS. KOS choose their sides you are going to help smash, you are going to die. ________ Euphoria Released
Marcus Ravens Minmatar The Department of Justice	Posted - 2006.10.24 09:54:00 - [227] There is alot of junk and flaming going on here. This thread has gotten way too long.... Lets leave it at, that KOS did waht they did for a reason and so did the coaltion and move on.
mr passie Minmatar Purgatorial Janitors Inc. Knights Of the Southerncross	Posted - 2006.10.24 09:55:00 - [228] Originally by: Guderian Originally by: mr passie Originally by: Guderian Once a great alliance leader said "there is always deniability". I guess that goes for KOS and the trick they tried to pull. Go join SMASH in Germinate, rebuild and come back and kill -V- and LV as you had planned before any of this happened. And RA, nice pull on the devide and conquer trick. Sadly you chose the weakest link. And the tin foil hat award goes to............ (PS I used to be in FLA) When one starts getting independent reports about KOS pulling a badie on you from people who are -10 to your alliance, you start to think why you need enemies, when you have friends like KOS. And so you conclude that we planned this all along? Honestly, you think we are happy with what happened? Do you think KOS would give up a region just se we could start to shoot allies as you claim? I don't want to go into a flame war as I had much fun fighting with you guys in the past, but try and see it from our perspective we'd lose everything and all if we did't take the offer and the decision had to be made really fast. I even think it goes to say that it had more to do with KOS internal problems then with RA/Goon. If KOS was organised as it should be we would've held our ground but a lot of poeple realised there wasn't enough dedication and stubbornness to hold the area. It had nothing to do with a desire to betray friends. Like I said before we were never planning to engage you, just a nap so we could regroup and recover. ----------------------------------------------- I'm a reversed paranoid schizophrenic. I have voices in my head I just think I don't hear them
mr passie Minmatar Purgatorial Janitors Inc. Knights Of the Southerncross	Posted - 2006.10.24 09:56:00 - [229] Originally by: Marcus Ravens There is alot of junk and flaming going on here. This thread has gotten way too long.... Lets leave it at, that KOS did waht they did for a reason and so did the coaltion and move on. i couldn't agree more. /me leaves this thread ----------------------------------------------- I'm a reversed paranoid schizophrenic. I have voices in my head I just think I don't hear them
Stig Caldar Eve Riders	Posted - 2006.10.24 09:57:00 - [230] IMO this has been coming for a looong time. How many times did LV give KOS support? How many times were our fleets called in to save the day YET AGAIN to save the hapless clueless KOS? The answers here are FAR TOO MANY TIMES. Give it up KOS - either sort yourselves out and stop dreaming... ....or do the sensible thing and put yourselves out of your misery. I think the sensible thing for you to do is find a nice system to protect and live there quietly and hope no-one comes in to take it!

Daroh Solar Dragons Red Alliance	Posted - 2006.10.24 10:09:00 - [231] Originally by: sidthesexist Originally by: Daroh Shinra +1 backstab (5 total: CA, -5-, RA, UCC, KOS) who will be next? Probably -V-... ) People who know me know me n Shinra dont get on but i can say this right here and now, Shinra didnt backstab CA -5- nor RA and especially not KOS. KOS choose their sides you are going to help smash, you are going to die. just lol )
Guderian Gallente Shinra Lotka Volterra	Posted - 2006.10.24 10:10:00 - [232] Originally by: Daroh Shinra +1 backstab (5 total: CA, -5-, RA, UCC, KOS) who will be next? Probably -V-... ) CA: We left and moved to another part of the EVE cluster. Hardly a backstab. -5-: We left on argueable terms, but never made them enemies. RA: I thought ATUK did the backstabbing there UCC: You mean the guys in Cache that was given the stations, only to make friends with RA and leave the area? KOS: We didn't NAP RA/GOON to get out of the heat, KOS did. Where was the backstabbing again? "Blessed is he, who walks through life in ignorance, 'cause he does not know the dangers that lies beyond."
putukas Enterprise Estonia Veritas Immortalis	Posted - 2006.10.24 10:13:00 - [233] seems to me that this issue is cased by one or two members from KOS, they should consider changing their leadership im sure there is many good people in KOS who didnt want this to happen.
sidthesexist Caldari Euphoria Released Euphoria Unleashed	Posted - 2006.10.24 10:15:00 - [234] Originally by: Daroh Originally by: sidthesexist Originally by: Daroh Shinra +1 backstab (5 total: CA, -5-, RA, UCC, KOS) who will be next? Probably -V-... ) People who know me know me n Shinra dont get on but i can say this right here and now, Shinra didnt backstab CA -5- nor RA and especially not KOS. KOS choose their sides you are going to help smash, you are going to die. just lol ) Explain your lol. ________ Euphoria Released
Guderian Gallente Shinra Lotka Volterra	Posted - 2006.10.24 10:16:00 - [235] Originally by: mr passie And so you conclude that we planned this all along? Honestly, you think we are happy with what happened? Do you think KOS would give up a region just se we could start to shoot allies as you claim? I don't want to go into a flame war as I had much fun fighting with you guys in the past, but try and see it from our perspective we'd lose everything and all if we did't take the offer and the decision had to be made really fast. I even think it goes to say that it had more to do with KOS internal problems then with RA/Goon. If KOS was organised as it should be we would've held our ground but a lot of poeple realised there wasn't enough dedication and stubbornness to hold the area. It had nothing to do with a desire to betray friends. Like I said before we were never planning to engage you, just a nap so we could regroup and recover. Alot of good and honest stuff. But in your honest oppinion, what should we have done, when we found out you had napped RA/GOON behind our backs? Say, that is ok, we are still friends and will trust you into our gangs? I agree that you have to do what you find necessary to keep your alliance alive, but so do we. And honestly, when our trust was betrayed, the only thing to do is take precautions. "Blessed is he, who walks through life in ignorance, 'cause he does not know the dangers that lies beyond."
Ale Tricio M. Corp Lotka Volterra	Posted - 2006.10.24 10:19:00 - [236] Just to clarify I believe your confusing ERA/RAM with UCC. UCC are and will remain + as they have something KOS do not. Proper communications channels
King Dave Shinra Lotka Volterra	Posted - 2006.10.24 10:21:00 - [237] Originally by: Evengard Guyz, I just love you... And everybody just start to see true face of LV. First they use you and getiing all they can get to theyr profit. After you cannot give them what they want they just throw you out. Using others like living shield. Who's gonna be next?? Place your bets gentelmens. i don't think you quite get it... We spent days taking stations of you, then freely handing them over to KOS, then when those systems got taken back a few days after, we once again risked our dreads for them, taking back those stations... Then we give them a load of pos to run the place. Yeh we must be doing it for profit.. btw T H E K E Y is shinra's i-win h4x cheat button code. ------------------------------- don't speak english... f1, f2, alt-q!
End Yourself Core Domination	Posted - 2006.10.24 10:29:00 - [238] Originally by: FrioBebe Originally by: putukas if one is naped with your enemy and in your intel channels that means they are your enemies. period. We left your information channel out of respect. Orders were clear, to leave your coalition channel to prevent any suspicions and cause any thoghts of faul play. We as a corp had no intrest in the conflict consearing You and RA. Reason some might have popped in at a later time is cause of using different computers etc. There were at that time no information sharing with RA. I respect V and LV, and I wont ask for anything but mutual respect back. keep the fights clean, yes we love your 60 on 20 it makes us feel special :) And keep local clear as the sky. frio Just curious, wasn't rampage fighting on RA's side since you entered the battlefield ages ago?!? --- Fighting for peace is like screwing for virginity.
Aloysius Knight Minmatar Black Nova Corp Band of Brothers	Posted - 2006.10.24 10:31:00 - [239] Originally by: Aloysius Knight the gate is the key, the key is the gate, the gate is the key, the gate is the key now common, wtf does THEKEY mean? http://www.stevie.prince.dsl.pipex.com/AloysiusKnight.jpg http://img167.imageshack.us/img167/2107/nodecrashsiggb9.jpg Chose one, you must. Two is the way of pure ebilness, and pure ebilness is bad -ReverendM
Guderian Gallente Shinra Lotka Volterra	Posted - 2006.10.24 10:31:00 - [240] KD, dont bother with RA's incoherent propaganda babble. They have no clue on what is going on. Its only their fanbois and LV enemies that can't see this. "Blessed is he, who walks through life in ignorance, 'cause he does not know the dangers that lies beyond."



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