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Sexy Cakes
Have A Seat
920
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Posted - 2015.04.08 19:32:18 -
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Andrew Jester wrote:I don't need to ask for consent the way you're dressed implied it
MY FACE IS UP HERE!
Not today spaghetti.
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Candi LeMew
Isogen 5
26596
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Posted - 2015.04.08 19:38:28 -
[152] - Quote
Sexy Cakes wrote:Andrew Jester wrote:I don't need to ask for consent the way you're dressed implied it MY FACE IS UP HERE!
Exactly.
And your face is naked.
Consider yourself ..... WATCHLISTED.
=ƒÉÆ Bob Is Always Watching ...
Jack Miton > everyone knows im the best dusette
"I been kicked out of better homes than this" - Rick James
GÖ¬ -ér-à-ò-é -ôew, -ôear none, -òave yo-àr love -ôor only one.
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Andrew Jester
ElitistOps
Pandemic Legion
1118
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Posted - 2015.04.08 20:09:18 -
[153] - Quote
l-l-lewd OuO
If thuggin' was a category I'd win a Grammy
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Candi LeMew
Isogen 5
26597
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Posted - 2015.04.08 21:17:18 -
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Andrew Jester wrote:l-l-lewd OuO
I'm just gonna start watchlisting everyone who posts here saying watchlists are bad.
=ƒÉÆ Bob Is Always Watching ...
Jack Miton > everyone knows im the best dusette
"I been kicked out of better homes than this" - Rick James
GÖ¬ -ér-à-ò-é -ôew, -ôear none, -òave yo-àr love -ôor only one.
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Andrew Jester
ElitistOps
Pandemic Legion
1119
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Posted - 2015.04.08 21:56:35 -
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Candi LeMew wrote:Andrew Jester wrote:l-l-lewd OuO I'm just gonna start watchlisting everyone who posts here saying watchlists are bad.
make sure the message is "added to watchlist now I'm always watching"
If thuggin' was a category I'd win a Grammy
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Noxisia Arkana
Deadspace Knights
423
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Posted - 2015.04.08 22:14:09 -
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Going back to the original point of this, I think watch lists are fine. It's one of the few things 'prey' can do in fight whether it's against HS war decs, timers, general 1 man asshattary, or in wh space.
It doesn't feel broken, if you have trouble finding fights in a wormhole, maybe you shouldn't announce your presence by leaving mobile depots up. Also, camping wormholes, in great numbers for kills is only really awesome if you're planning to evict or grab someone's ratting carrier. Other than that, why bother? You're better of spreading out the love, getting a huge chain, and when someone finds something - giving people the route. |
YuuKnow
Lascivious.
936
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Posted - 2015.04.09 12:45:30 -
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Eve is full of instant-intel unfortunately.
Originally it was designed to foster community and make it easier to find and meet up with friends when the game was new, sparsely inhabited, and you could go dozens of systems without ever seeing anyone in local.
Now that Eve is steadily populated, these metas are really unnecessary and just make it easier for people to avoid fighting. I'm in favor of any upgrades that eliminate insta-intel such as non-mutual watchlist.
yk |
Andrew Jester
ElitistOps
Pandemic Legion
1132
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Posted - 2015.04.09 14:05:11 -
[158] - Quote
Noxisia Arkana wrote:Going back to the original point of this
I'm sorry but I can't let this happen
If thuggin' was a category I'd win a Grammy
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Jazmin Dusette
Nighthawk Exploration
Anoikis Ronin
119
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Posted - 2015.04.09 15:27:56 -
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Andrew Jester wrote:Noxisia Arkana wrote:Going back to the original point of this I'm sorry but I can't let this happen
You are the hero we need.
Don't really deserve, but still need.
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Ortus Maleficus
Ministry of War
Amarr Empire
24
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Posted - 2015.04.09 16:24:21 -
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I've never liked it. It seems like intel one should not get for free. |
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Andrew Jester
ElitistOps
Pandemic Legion
1135
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Posted - 2015.04.09 16:37:47 -
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hello everyone pls WL me so that when I log in you can all see, admire, and be jealous of my danque angle jacket
If thuggin' was a category I'd win a Grammy
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HTC NecoSino
No Vacancies
Lost Alliance
197
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Posted - 2015.04.09 16:42:00 -
[162] - Quote
Andrew Jester wrote:hello everyone pls WL me so that when I log in you can all see, admire, and be jealous of my danque angle jacket
Nice jacket. |
Andrew Jester
ElitistOps
Pandemic Legion
1136
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Posted - 2015.04.09 16:47:17 -
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thanks~ when you WL me pls make sure to send notice and set me to +10!
If thuggin' was a category I'd win a Grammy
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Daerrol
Furtherance.
92
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Posted - 2015.04.09 20:13:57 -
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.. If you are concerned about WL log your character in before work and log out before bed. Or hell let DT log you out and just log in every morning, parked in a station. |
Iowa Banshee
Fenrir Vangard
8
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Posted - 2015.04.09 20:32:31 -
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Daerrol wrote:.. If you are concerned about WL log your character in before work and log out before bed. Or hell let DT log you out and just log in every morning, parked in a station.
The only counter to an in-game mechanic is to idle out of game... What ABSOLUTE TOSH..
That reason alone should be enough to have the non-mutual WL removed from the game |
Phoenix Jones
Isogen 5
1259
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Posted - 2015.04.09 23:28:16 -
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I have to admit this is a interesting debate 
Besides some of the obvious trolling, I think just about everybody believes it is both free and easy intel.
Whether it should be changed or iterated on is the big debate. Most fear change because.. well we don't know what that change would be. Some feel it fine because while it doesn't tell you where the person is, it does tell you when they log in. Its purpose has changed since being developed. Its probably as old as the pos code.
If it was a means of keeping track of friendships, fine, but it is mostly used to keep track of people to know when to kill them.
I don't mind the intel, I just don't believe it should be free unless mutually agreed upon between the two parties (or two people).
I would not remove the capability of stalking a person, I just would not make it free. You want to track logins and logoffs without someone knowing, it'll cost you. If its friendly, notice is to be sent to you, and if you agree, its free.
It doesn't have to cost a fortune (I'm thinking a few hundred thousand to maybe a million isk), but it should have a maintenance fee (bribery to concord for shutting down the com's network for you and that person). You have a tracking list of 1000 people, it's going to start costing you ALOT to track all of them without a wardec.
Tracking wardec targets should be free.
Something along those lines would work out.
Yaay!!!!
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Trinkets friend
Sudden Buggery
Prolapse.
2238
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Posted - 2015.04.09 23:49:17 -
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YuuKnow wrote:Eve is full of instant-intel unfortunately.
Originally it was designed to foster community and make it easier to find and meet up with friends when the game was new, sparsely inhabited, and you could go dozens of systems without ever seeing anyone in local.
Now that Eve is steadily populated, these metas are really unnecessary and just make it easier for people to avoid fighting. I'm in favor of any upgrades that eliminate insta-intel such as non-mutual watchlist.
yk
Spotted: someone who hasn't visited nullsec recently.
Prolapse. Taking fights since 2014.
Sudden Buggery. Got duumb? Hola, Batmanuel!
http://www.localectomy.blogspot.com.au
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YuuKnow
Lascivious.
936
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Posted - 2015.04.10 04:56:58 -
[168] - Quote
Trinkets friend wrote:YuuKnow wrote:Eve is full of instant-intel unfortunately.
Originally it was designed to foster community and make it easier to find and meet up with friends when the game was new, sparsely inhabited, and you could go dozens of systems without ever seeing anyone in local.
Now that Eve is steadily populated, these metas are really unnecessary and just make it easier for people to avoid fighting. I'm in favor of any upgrades that eliminate insta-intel such as non-mutual watchlist.
yk Spotted: someone who hasn't visited nullsec recently.
Its all relative. |
Mr RiXter
Imperial Collective
Unsettled.
16
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Posted - 2015.04.10 09:15:11 -
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Remove it. The most broken feature eve has atm. Like most people I was shocked when I found out you can get such free intel in this so called tough and hardcore game. |
Idame Isqua
Vipres'
Templis CALSF
0
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Posted - 2015.04.10 10:06:01 -
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It needs a big overhaul.
Anyone know where drafts go? I wrote more but it seems to have disappeared. |
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Richard Bong
Hole Violence
Whole Squid
61
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Posted - 2015.04.10 14:03:41 -
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I would prefer it was balanced against something, whether it be isk, time delay, or whatever. RIght now it's just instant free intel that cannot be countered.
[ASK] Me about drive by thread shitting!
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Nelly Uanos
Spirit Unlimited
La Division Bleue
26
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Posted - 2015.04.10 20:22:21 -
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The only point I have against removing it is the following...
I'm cloaked at your tower watching you, you log off... without WL I don't know if you logged out or warped away and cloaked.
I was ACTIVELY trying to get intel on you and now I'm in the dark... That's stupid.
If you give me a way to differentiate someone logging out from someone warping away and cloaking then fine, you can remove non-concensual WL.
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Luft Reich
Lazerhawks
72
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Posted - 2015.04.10 22:12:51 -
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No, gotta keep it so people can see when I log in....
On the real though, it should NOT be removed. "Oh no free intel gathering" well after W-Space NPC API was removed seeding people and monitering groups to plan a gank became more challenging as you have to observe them for longer periods of time.
Removing watchlists is the final nail in the coffin krabs want to make them safe.
ISD Cyberdyne liked your forum post
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Krops Vont
Hard Knocks Inc.
Hard Knocks Citizens
57
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Posted - 2015.04.10 22:18:34 -
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Luft Reich wrote:No, gotta keep it so people can see when I log in....
On the real though, it should NOT be removed. "Oh no free intel gathering" well after W-Space NPC API was removed seeding people and monitering groups to plan a gank became more challenging as you have to observe them for longer periods of time.
Removing watchlists is the final nail in the coffin krabs want to make them safe.
Remove it. I can finally solo them in my d-scan immune fleet.
As with any human, we must map out everything for the sake of living. So what happens when you put the same aspect in a game with random events? They go nuts trying to figure out how to predict and map out everything.
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Zoe Athame
Wolf Riot
242
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Posted - 2015.04.11 16:03:55 -
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Nelly Uanos wrote:The only point I have against removing it is the following...
I'm cloaked at your tower watching you, you log off... without WL I don't know if you logged out or warped away and cloaked.
I was ACTIVELY trying to get intel on you and now I'm in the dark... That's stupid.
If you give me a way to differentiate someone logging out from someone warping away and cloaking then fine, you can remove non-concensual WL.
This is a good point. If actual intel gathering was changed for the better, I would be fine with seeing watchlists go. A lot of the people in this thread who are freaking out about never getting a gank ever again seem to be missing the fact that if you remove watchlists, you can add something else that has a similar effect even if it requires slightly more work (being on grid for example.) |
Trinkets friend
Sudden Buggery
Prolapse.
2240
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Posted - 2015.04.12 03:02:03 -
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So, here's the thing about watchlists. If you are, eg, an alt of someone, let's just assume Chance Ravinne (or maybe someone else, I can't really tell) and you see TF jump his panther in from hisec, what do you do?
a) add the doosh to watchlist
b) stay cloaked and silent and stalk him properly
c) convo said Panther pilot and act like a munted child
Well, I guess the toon Friendly Delivery, whoever owns it, didn't add me to watchlist. He chose option C, convoing me to let me know he was lurking in the hole with me. Because that's how you stealth.
So now you can see why Chance hates watchlists. They suck when you convo everyone who jumps into a wormhole in which you lurk. But the WL isn't the problem. Being a twit is your problem.
Prolapse. Taking fights since 2014.
Sudden Buggery. Got duumb? Hola, Batmanuel!
http://www.localectomy.blogspot.com.au
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Andrew Jester
ElitistOps
Pandemic Legion
1140
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Posted - 2015.04.12 03:55:22 -
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Trinkets friend wrote:So, here's the thing about watchlists. If you are, eg, an alt of someone, let's just assume Chance Ravinne (or maybe someone else, I can't really tell) and you see TF jump his panther in from hisec, what do you do?
a) add the doosh to watchlist
b) stay cloaked and silent and stalk him properly
c) convo said Panther pilot and act like a munted child
Well, I guess the toon Friendly Delivery, whoever owns it, didn't add me to watchlist. He chose option C, convoing me to let me know he was lurking in the hole with me. Because that's how you stealth.
So now you can see why Chance hates watchlists. They suck when you convo everyone who jumps into a wormhole in which you lurk. But the WL isn't the problem. Being a twit is your problem.
I get the feeling you don't like this vaunted csm member. I could be wrong tho
If thuggin' was a category I'd win a Grammy
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Candi LeMew
Isogen 5
27003
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Posted - 2015.04.12 08:58:40 -
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Andrew Jester wrote:I get the feeling you don't like this vaunted csm member. I could be wrong tho
I was already miffed that I couldn't vote Trinket for CSM.
Ever since all this I'm even more upset I couldn't vote for him.
I find his aggression to be focused and righteous, and while I don't know his stance on wormhole fashion in YC 117, I do believe he ticks all the other boxes for someone I intended voting for.
=ƒÉÆ Bob Is Always Watching ...
Jack Miton > everyone knows im the best dusette
"I been kicked out of better homes than this" - Rick James
GÖ¬ -ér-à-ò-é -ôew, -ôear none, -òave yo-àr love -ôor only one.
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Andrew Jester
ElitistOps
Pandemic Legion
1143
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Posted - 2015.04.12 13:41:14 -
[179] - Quote
too bad his shady past disqualified him from running ;v;
If thuggin' was a category I'd win a Grammy
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Credacom
Aperture Harmonics
K162
28
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Posted - 2015.04.12 13:47:46 -
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Watch lists don't provide good fights, just ganks and avoiding fights. Esp capital pilot Intel is OP.
Get rid of them and watch the fights abound with escalation and fumbles.
Randomness and risk is what' helps make eve great.
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