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KIAEddZ Caldari KIA Corp	Posted - 2006.10.27 08:54:00 - [1] Having been in 0.0 for the last 3 contracts, I have seen a worrying trend developing. It would seem it is completely normal now to CTRL Q to avoid bubble camps.... I mean it is actually the chosen tactic! I have seen LV/V do it a few times already over the past few days, and the order was given last night for Goons/RA etc to do it if they jump into a bubble.... I see that LV/V have also joined the Logoff trap brigade... is it so that because RA openly do it you feel you need to use it to combat that approach? Also Purposely crashing (or hoping like fk that it happens) the Node is also now a viable tactic, employed by both sides of the war KIA are currently in... damn guys why on earth are we trying to do that? yes you gain an advantage if you just jumped in but serioulsy :( (for those that don't know after a node crash everyone is returned to thier last point of a session change, so a large force jumping in will be returned to the gate they jumped in at, and unless the defending force have prepared for it, then thier pilots will be returned all over the shop, normally resulting in big losses) I was speaking to a few other CEOs and Alliance leaders last night, and they also say that they have not only seen the above from their current enemy, but are also not shy to order it if necessary. This has honestly and sincerely saddened me. For people to be embracing en masse obvious exploiting of the games shortcomings (although why CCP are avoiding dealing with them I have no idea.... if someone logs of in a bubble, then they should stay put for crying out loud) makes me wander where this game is going. In all my time of playing Eve, the larger groups have generally frowned upon the shadier way of playing the game, logging off to save your ships etc has always been a distinct no no, as have many other less fair ways to play. Maybe i am seeing the past through rose tinted glasses, maybe my memory is skewed, but not too long ago people employing such tactics as these would be regarded as a.scum (hehe, joking) but more importantly b.the minority Not anymore it seems. What for the future of Eve, if people will push the game and its mechanics to the very limit to gain an advantage....... reminds me so very much of the days gone by in the FPS world, starts with model replacements then bright coloured models, textureless walls, hit box scanning.... aimbots.... etc etc Hope CCP have this in mind, whilst I am very excited about Kali, I cant help but feel their are some very basic problems that need looking at first, its getting harder and harder to get a "fair" fight or even a fight where your not worried about wtf your gonna have to do to avoid losing your entire fleet to a tactic your not willing to employ yourself.... Times have changed? Do we all need to adapt? I hope not. KIA EVE Home
WiZZyWiGG Gallente Black Nova Corp Band of Brothers	Posted - 2006.10.27 08:58:00 - [2] Great post. Something really needs to be done about people Ctrl-Q'ing to save themselves. ____________ BNC makes me feel Naughty
Ras Blumin 0utbreak	Posted - 2006.10.27 09:01:00 - [3] Good post.
Dawn Princess eXceed Inc. Ascendant Frontier	Posted - 2006.10.27 09:01:00 - [4] Edited by: Dawn Princess on 27/10/2006 09:01:50 meh.
EvilNate Caldari Coreli Corporation Corelum Syndicate	Posted - 2006.10.27 09:03:00 - [5] Glad to see someone else is a little worried too. I can honestly say I have never logged off in combat, never used a stab in combat, never done a logon trap... because its a game ffs. I've always had alot of respect for V/LV for the fact that they have to fight RA who imploy these tactics and its always been believed that they didn't and wouldn't stoop to their level... if this is true, it's very sad... Nate.
Hair F.R.E.E. Explorer EVE Animal Control	Posted - 2006.10.27 09:08:00 - [6] Great post, couldn't agree more. This really needs looking at CCP IMO
Darcuese Destructive Influence Band of Brothers	Posted - 2006.10.27 09:11:00 - [7] Edited by: Darcuese on 27/10/2006 09:13:33 You cant delete ppl selfishnes in this game. Its all started with few individuals that used game mechaninc thinking only on their a.s.s. Dont need to point what group that might be anyway. (if theys come here and preech about it...you can honestly kiss my A_S :P) Then others that fought against above ppl used similar/same tactics to avoid losses. Tomorrow, you will have 80% of ppl doing something similar couse they like their wallet more then this game tbh. Or ppl are to much narrow minded unable to see that doing such stupid "exploits" of game mechanic will RUIN THIS game very soonish. Just wait when 80% of ppl will play the same way...thinking.."IF OTHERS IS DOING IT, WHY WOULDNT I DO IT TOO?". SHort sight ppl 4tl IF YOU SEE ME WHINING OR NERVOUS THEN THERE ARE IDIOTS NEAR BY
putukas Enterprise Estonia Veritas Immortalis	Posted - 2006.10.27 09:12:00 - [8] Im saying it for months now. The same thing Eddz just posted. Game is not playable! Me personally have not logged off to save my ship but i know that some LV and V are doing it and its not a suprise. If your enemy is doing it for 6 months then you start doing it aswell. Even the name for logoff tactics is coming from RA. its called LOGOFFSKI http://putukas.gameland.ee/eve/logoffski.avi About the node crash. How can your enemy prevent it? i dont understand you on that point. You mean if you have 60 ppl in system we can only bring 20 in so the node wont crash or what do you mean?
Trinity Faetal Gallente 0utbreak	Posted - 2006.10.27 09:13:00 - [9] here here
Chochko KIA Corp	Posted - 2006.10.27 09:14:00 - [10] I endorse logging off when the Foe has more numbers and there is no chance to fight without a little chance to succeed, BUT only in Safe Spot. Yesterday i was dictor-bubbled 3 times by LV/V - but i evaded them all ... Ctrl-Q is not weapon or module button, so i dont use it in combat ... i prefer to die when they have me tackled than to loose my self-respect. -------------------------------------------

chromer one FinFleet Lotka Volterra	Posted - 2006.10.27 09:17:00 - [11] Good matter to discuss. I never heard any one suggest that i should logout when in bubble and i hopely wont. I guess my corp is allways doing things respectfully. But its not far fetched to think why not me when so many others.. I've even tought why we even do bring interdictors to gangs when allmost all our enemies just evade it by few logout/relog maneuvers. but as long as theres human playing this game there will be those who find where the fence is lower to hop over. so good post but i dont expect anything more from this than flame and accusations... no progress..
putukas Enterprise Estonia Veritas Immortalis	Posted - 2006.10.27 09:22:00 - [12] hmm maybe from other hand its good that more people are using this exploit maybe then it will draw CCP some intention to it. Simpel thing what will fix it. LOG OFF DELAY and the rule if you crash, its your own fault. Sh*t happens sorry for your ship loss. whats more irritating is that if you logoff in cloak but in bubble and get shot at you dont even get agression timer. like WTH.
Hans Roaming Body Count Inc. Mercenary Coalition	Posted - 2006.10.27 09:22:00 - [13] Awesome post Eddz. I totally agree, sometimes I think that people loose sight that yes indeed this is actually a game and that ones self worth is not determined by how well one does here. In fact it is better to loose ones pod in a bubble than to CTRL-Q as the former means you keep your integrity. The node crashing and bug with logging getting out of bubbles really need to be fixed and then this behavior will go. However there are other borderline exploitation (that's utilise to the sensitive) of game mechanics like the logging on and off to move ones pod/ships away from warp in points i.e. the gate as used by RAT when they jumped less than 30 seconds before DT into the BoB gate camp in their shipyard system. Things like this will always happen of course and RAT are not alone in maximising the utilisation of these mechanics to their advantage.
Irrilian Eve University	Posted - 2006.10.27 09:29:00 - [14] Maybe its just the awareness of such tactics is now widespread. But it seems that in other areas of the game dubious play is now accepted and even lauded. A general malaise in the game where that as long as you donÆt transgress either the 1st commandment ôThou shall not hack the client.ö or the 2nd ôThou shall not macro.ö, anything goes. Feh.
Selenaya Tri Optimum Dusk and Dawn	Posted - 2006.10.27 09:30:00 - [15] The biggest problem is CCP can't decide if a player crashed per accident or on purpose... sometimes it may be obvious but still you can't know for sure... Is there a solution? For example make ships stay a lot longer in space, so the logged of fleet is just a sitting duck. If you want to log off save make a timer like in other games "you have to wait 30 sec to log off safe..." or something like that... just coplaining won't work. post your ideas
putukas Enterprise Estonia Veritas Immortalis	Posted - 2006.10.27 09:32:00 - [16] Edited by: putukas on 27/10/2006 09:33:34 Originally by: Selenaya The biggest problem is CCP can't decide if a player crashed per accident or on purpose... sometimes it may be obvious but still you can't know for sure... Is there a solution? For example make ships stay a lot longer in space, so the logged of fleet is just a sitting duck. If you want to log off save make a timer like in other games "you have to wait 30 sec to log off safe..." or something like that... just coplaining won't work. post your ideas exactly my point! and if you just pull out the connection plug youll still stay at gate for 30sec. and ofcourse you can always cancel the logoff if you see hostiles coming or something. And be able to warp away to planet etc to logoff safely.
Darcuese Destructive Influence Band of Brothers	Posted - 2006.10.27 09:32:00 - [17] Originally by: Selenaya The biggest problem is CCP can't decide if a player crashed per accident or on purpose... sometimes it may be obvious but still you can't know for sure... Is there a solution? Well, some ppl have crap PC, some have crap cionnections...harsh reality. Why would everyone else suffer in game becouse of such?. And im one of those that lose connection sometimes...and probably everybody else. ITS CALLED BAD LUCK....LOSS...GET OVER IT. Or petition IF YOU SEE ME WHINING OR NERVOUS THEN THERE ARE IDIOTS NEAR BY
Seleene Body Count Inc. Mercenary Coalition	Posted - 2006.10.27 09:39:00 - [18] Edited by: Seleene on 27/10/2006 09:46:04 Luckily I don't think MC has faced anyone lately who has been doing this. In the last few months we've fought: Imperium / Supremacy Namtz The Evil Pirates in 9UY (did you guys ever have a catchy name?) IAC / CVA / AXE Even with all the node crashes and lag lately, I'd be surprised if any such order was given by any of these guys. I know that if I found out someone in MC was doing it then they'd be homeless 24 hours later. So take heart, Eddz. It's not everyone doing it. It doesn't change the fact that the game's stability has steadily deteriorated these past few months, but judging by the last few Dev blogs, CCP does seem to be trying to make things right. EDIT - ACE post, Steel Rat. - Movie: 9UY - Got Fighters?
Steel Rat Dirty Deeds Corp. Axiom Empire	Posted - 2006.10.27 09:39:00 - [19] Well, Eve has always had people push the game mechanics to the limit. Remember Mo0 and who was it, Zombies? with their empire antics. I think the difference today and those days is: 1. The killboards, everyone counts their kills, its like the most important thing in the game for alot of people. There is a reason I say my killboard is to record KILLS because I play this game for fun. This game isn't about my win/loss ratio its about how fun the fight was, win or lose. I think killboards ruin some of that fun. It also reflects on how people play. 2. More people know more of the tricks and share them with more people. The code is stale. CCP has done half as many changes today as back when retail started. This leads to everyone using "lame" and questionable tactics. This topic is such a two edge sword. I have never purposely logged off for any reason involving combat. I think my kill ratio would show that :) I have never purposely used any bug or exploit, its not how I play games. As a CEO, exploits are kickable offenses in my corp and alliance. Now, questionable, borderline "exploits", lameness, I have a hard time with especially when they are used so often in the game. Your members don't want to play if they are always getting owned by questionable tactics and yet they are being used by some pretty respected people. How can you argue against it? How can you tell them not to do something thats being done to them? If you play 100% to the letter of the law with honor and goodwill, you get smacked, you don't, you get smacked, so its really up to the community to smack all equally and demand better playing from everyone, not just the ones you hate. 3. In my opinion, we have a younger crowd or more of an FPS type crowd. I refer to these people as quakekiddies. The group that jumps, gets a couple cheap ganks and runs. Its very rare you find the good fun fights of the old days. Wanna know why so many people liked the old days? Because when we fought, outnumbered, even numbered, whatever, we fought. We didn't just gank, run and log. Some fights with DDC and Corp 1 were nuts as we went back and forth for 30-40 mins. 1 side would pwn a fleet, the other side would send another fleet, they would fight it out, it was crazy, some of the best fighting I have ever had in Eve. It was just different than it is today. We got better toys today and less fun. I can only account it to the people. One last point, I don't think CCP are paying or seem to pay as much attention to the game play as they did when the game started. Sometimes you wonder if CCP plays the same game we do. Maybe its just how the game is evolving and we are hitting a point where they don't have all the answers. The problems aren't as easy to solve as the begin days when the bugs were easier to fix? Eve has evolved to a pretty intense game with many many areas that need to be watched. I can understand it being a rough job. Steel Rat PS: None of my comments are directed towards ANY of the current hostiles AXE is fighting. These are general points of view based on what I have seen over the last 6 months to a year. Many people do many of these things and I am not singling out any 1 group here. I know even some of my members have done questionable things. Trust me, many of them are no longer DDC and many of them have been dealt with by me. I try to keep some level of fair play as best I can.
Major Tarsis Shinra Lotka Volterra	Posted - 2006.10.27 09:41:00 - [20] Originally by: Darcuese Well, some ppl have crap PC, some have crap cionnections...harsh reality. Why would everyone else suffer in game becouse of such?. And im one of those that lose connection sometimes...and probably everybody else. ITS CALLED BAD LUCK....LOSS...GET OVER IT. Or petition Atm I have a bad ISP problem. I can have good days when it stays up for hours or bad days when it crashes every 5 minutes. Some days I cannot have TS and Eve open at the same time. Its a harse reality and I have lost ships to it However none were petitioned and I live my bad ISP till its sorted. Never fly what you cannot afford to lose. MT My comments are purely in character and should not be considered a personal attack especially if taken out of context. - awaiting mods reply via email.

Lord Draco Destructive Influence Band of Brothers	Posted - 2006.10.27 09:43:00 - [21] It shouldn't matter if they log off or crash when juming into warp bubbles. You either A: know you might crash and are prepared to take that chance (big fleets jumping), or B: didn;t scout and should have to deal with the ramifications.
KeepItSimple M. Corp Lotka Volterra	Posted - 2006.10.27 09:45:00 - [22] Agreed, sad development indeed I take pride in not doing any logoff/login stuff. I never did CTRL-Q to save my ship or pod, even if it would have saved me. A lot of my enemies do those things and I loose respect for them every time. And sadly, I see this happening more and more. For me it is like playing a chessgame, and your opponent decides to turn the chessboard upside down and walk away. No question about who lost the game, just a disgusting way to loose imo. I hope changes in game mechanics will put an end to these tactics sometime soon.
Yazoul Samaiel Caldari Black Nova Corp Band of Brothers	Posted - 2006.10.27 09:45:00 - [23] Good post eddz but i have a question for ya , where have u been in the past few months ???? When i joined BNC and we were in PB every single ship that used to jump into our dictor bubble logs off or if he gets scrambeled he logs his pod off as soon as his ship pops. It also much worse down south PPL realy need to understand one thing , if u come to a fight they need to ACCEPT THE FACT THAT THEIR SHIP AND POD MIGHT GET BLOWN !!! PPL worry about those 2 things tbh more than having fun and runining other ppls fun , i have been on both sides of the fence i scrmabeled ppl and got scrambeled but never logged off coz whats the point ???? If ur poor then dotn fight , if ur gonna have a b* Fit coz ur gonan lose ur uberomgwtfl333t ship then dotn fight its realy simple but ppl still want to twist to their own retarded ways so they can enjoy a cheap run away , realy pathetic "There is no such thing as innocence , only different degrees of guilt"**
HordeZla Destructive Influence Band of Brothers	Posted - 2006.10.27 09:47:00 - [24] I for one am so sick of seeing about 80% of ASCN pilots logging off once they hit structure. I am not saying they all do it and I except that some might be crashing however, it's getting out of control and I for one am loosing what respect I had for them. At least they can be probed for the pleasure but it's getting out of control and I think that once your ship has agro it should last for the pod too. Also frapsing it for other viewers appreciation does not make for good watching. If only the alliance leaders would attempt to stop there players exploting game mechanic flaws or at very least the leaders had some form of honor and indeed controll? If I was to log in structure my CEO would hit the roof. Try again!
Noluck Ned FATAL REVELATIONS Lotka Volterra	Posted - 2006.10.27 09:47:00 - [25] I would love to be able to deny that my alliance has been doing the same tricks but I cant prove that they dont. All I can say is that it certainly is not the order of the day and I distance myself from any who feel it is a legitimate tactic. As for intentionally crashing the node...well we would love it if the thing didnt go down every time our fleet comes to defend. What option do we have but to try to jump in as many pilots as we can? Last night in JLO was another example, we jumped in outnumbered and 1 minute into the fight it went down again. When it came up we did indeed hold the gate, but the entire opposing force(except about two poor sods who logged in to the gate) failed to even attempt to log back in. Result: Hours of boredom and a total no-show by the opposition even when the pos's came out of re-inforced. So technically it was a victory...but not really. Now the naive carebear in me wants all fights to be nice and fair and everyone to always act honourably. The merciless cynic in me chuckles and says "yeah right, if they are doing it we are fools not to jump on the wagon" So in the end we are faced by the option of ending up as losers with our honour intact and no space to live in, or embracing the tactics used against us and playing up every possible metagaming advantage. This war is a matter of pride now, for better or worse both sides feel that way. And no amount of preaching about "fairness" and "integrity" is ever going to convince either to stop using these tactics. That bridge has been burned already...if it ever existed in the first place. EDDZ if you ever catch me like that, I promise to die with honour. F4T4L is Recruiting!
Seleene Body Count Inc. Mercenary Coalition	Posted - 2006.10.27 09:49:00 - [26] Originally by: Yazoul Samaiel Good post eddz but i have a question for ya , where have u been in the past few months ???? When i joined BNC and we were in PB every single ship that used to jump into our dictor bubble logs off or if he gets scrambeled he logs his pod off as soon as his ship pops. It's not really Eddz fault, Yaz. Merc outfits travel a lot. Like KIA, MC has been all over the map this year and, TBH, I have yet to see anything on the scale like what Eddz or you is describing. I guess it's all about who you fight day in and day out? - Movie: 9UY - Got Fighters?
Waragha Art of War	Posted - 2006.10.27 09:50:00 - [27] So when you and goon brought 150-200 odd people to take down our pos, where maybe 13 of them were BS and the rest was frigs and cruisers ... You didn't intentionally try to crash the node? (we had like 40 man fleet or so) Integrity.. where has it gone Originally by: Trepkos The only difference between GS and NPC's are that GS respawn quicker.
Ripline FinFleet Lotka Volterra	Posted - 2006.10.27 09:51:00 - [28] In random roaming we caught 11-12 people in the bubbles , of which 2 didn't log off. 1 burned and jumped in an IC, one stayed and died in a T1 frig. And that's just about what you'd expect on a normal day. Regardless of where it started, fight fire with fire is the easy mentality to take and that's pretty much what happened. Win at all costs, and if you can't, frustrate the opponent by any legal means available. And that's just about what the war in southeast has degenerated into. Only way to fix that is through game mechanics. In a fight where one (several?) party takes pride in playing every dirty trick in the book it's inevitably going to be dragged down.
Chochko KIA Corp	Posted - 2006.10.27 09:54:00 - [29] Originally by: Waragha So when you and goon brought 150-200 odd people to take down our pos, where maybe 13 of them were BS and the rest was frigs and cruisers ... You didn't intentionally try to crash the node? (we had like 40 man fleet or so) Integrity.. where has it gone Flames are not needed here... Plz go in other tread. We have friendly discusion and we realy dont want this kind of replys. Thank You for your time and have a nice day. -------------------------------------------
Hans Roaming Body Count Inc. Mercenary Coalition	Posted - 2006.10.27 09:59:00 - [30] Originally by: Waragha So when you and goon brought 150-200 odd people to take down our pos, where maybe 13 of them were BS and the rest was frigs and cruisers ... You didn't intentionally try to crash the node? (we had like 40 man fleet or so) Integrity.. where has it gone These numbers should in no way crash a node am thinking that your opponents were thinking the same as me.



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