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alexclone1
Deep Core Mining Inc. Caldari State
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Posted - 2015.04.21 04:43:31 -
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Hello, i am posting with an alt.
Intro: Ive done it all: Build caps; Military Director for a Large Sov holding allaince; FC for small gang leet pvp low sec; FC for high skilled high sec mercs; mining; manufacturing.
So after my Military Director stint for over a year, i took a break from the game. Back in 2010 i was the CEO of a high sec corp. That was most fun ive ever had. We had 160 peeps in 3 months and membership was exploding.
Ive been playing eve since 2006 and back pre 2013 (i think) one had to pay a fixed fee to wardec someone which doubled every time a new entity wardec'd. This means that rarely would a corp get more than 3 war decs at once. The average war dec time was 1 week out of the month.
So i come back to do that high sec corp all over again and this time NOT go to null sec :). Keep it easy, since i have a life now XD. The problem is once my corp got to 50 guys in 2 weeks, the war decs came hot and heavy. And they werent like the old days of small corps. Now it was huge multiple war decing alliances. We didnt have a prayer. The corp was wardeced EVERY WEEK afterwards. Thus stomping us out of existance.
Who is there to hire when all the pvpers are in the war decing alliances? Where is there to go? What is there to do?
Sadly i had spent too much $$ for a corp website that never saw the light of day because once i relized the war dec mechanics, it was no longer worth it to be a successful large (50ish) high sec corp.
I have no issues fighting, but a 50 man corp spread in euro/american tz simply cant do jack about the HUNDREDS of experienced pvpers camping your stations with nothing better to do.
I would love to have a conversation in the comments from both sides. Perhaps there is some middle ground? |
Otso Bakarti
Center for Advanced Studies Gallente Federation
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Posted - 2015.04.21 04:57:59 -
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You realize posts such as this invite bovine scatology. But, you're right. The powers that be literally shifted the dynamics of the game in favor of those with whom they are enamored to the exclusion of all else. This forum drips with the "winners" in this now trying to solidify this favor as "how EVE is, and is meant to be."
Like I said, prepare for the BS avalanche by the ones "who know." |
Mr Deleted
Delete This
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Posted - 2015.04.21 04:58:30 -
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highsec is overrated, lowsec is where its at, and it solves the war deccing problems, all the war deccers cant go to lowsec, thats where real fights are |
Kaarous Aldurald
Glorious Revolutionary Armed Forces of Highsec CODE.
12693
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Posted - 2015.04.21 05:05:21 -
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alexclone1 wrote:Hello, i am posting with an alt.
I stopped reading.
"Verily, I have often laughed at the weaklings who thought themselves good because they had no claws."
One of ours, ten of theirs.
Best Meltdown Ever.
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Destiny Corrupted
Deadly Viper Kitten Mitten Sewing Company
2828
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Posted - 2015.04.21 05:12:51 -
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I'm going to give you a really big clue, OP. And I won't post it on an alt, either. Are you ready?
As someone who has ran/currently is running multiple high-sec piracy/mercenary corporations, I haven't had any problem with incoming war declarations, even in the very, very rare instances in which we actually received them.
Why do you think this is?
Perhaps this is a little old case of not being able to defend what you have, and asking for artificial defense in the form of restrictions implemented by the developers, instead of either scaling down your operations to become less of a target, or becoming proactive and aggressive enough so as not to appear as one to others in the first place, hm?
I wrote some true EVE stories! And no, they're not of the generic "my 0.0 alliance had lots of 0.0 fleets and took a lot of 0.0 space" sort. Check them out here:
https://truestories.eveonline.com/users/2074-destiny-corrupted
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Herzog Wolfhammer
Sigma Special Tactics Group
6566
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Posted - 2015.04.21 05:13:11 -
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Highsec PVPers are there for the same reason their prey is in highsec: nullsec and lowsec mechanics suck.
You see the highsec PVPer wants to travel in the same safety as the mission runner or the incursioner. They won't admit it. They'll hide behind "but I'm a PVPer" and then try to punch downward at everybody who has not self-declared their high exalted world-saving position as a PVPer also. As if that somehow lends to better self esteem.
Fortunately the changes to SOV will make highsec irrelevant and boring again so noobs can incubate better and stay in the game longer.
Bring back DEEEEP Space!
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Scipio Artelius
The Vendunari End of Life
36149
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Posted - 2015.04.21 05:13:47 -
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Mr Deleted wrote:highsec is overrated, lowsec is where its at, and it solves the war deccing problems, all the war deccers cant go to lowsec, thats where real fights are Like taking a Stratios, Broadsword, Proteus and Gnosis to kill an Interon Mk V, Sigil or Badger? Or even more ships to kill a Mackinaw? Those sorts of fights?
Seems plausible. They look so much more real than what the highsec pvpers do.
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Kaarous Aldurald
Glorious Revolutionary Armed Forces of Highsec CODE.
12694
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Posted - 2015.04.21 05:19:14 -
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Herzog Wolfhammer wrote: You see the highsec PVPer wants to travel in the same safety as the mission runner or the incursioner. They won't admit it.
Yeah, that's exactly how being neg ten works.
Your ranting has really gone off the deep end lately.
"Verily, I have often laughed at the weaklings who thought themselves good because they had no claws."
One of ours, ten of theirs.
Best Meltdown Ever.
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Destiny Corrupted
Deadly Viper Kitten Mitten Sewing Company
2829
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Posted - 2015.04.21 05:24:45 -
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Herzog Wolfhammer wrote:You see the highsec PVPer wants to travel in the same safety as the mission runner or the incursioner. You say this a lot but you never provide a source.
I wrote some true EVE stories! And no, they're not of the generic "my 0.0 alliance had lots of 0.0 fleets and took a lot of 0.0 space" sort. Check them out here:
https://truestories.eveonline.com/users/2074-destiny-corrupted
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Sol epoch
HELVEGEN Absolute Defiance
170
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Posted - 2015.04.21 05:42:26 -
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Stopped reading at " Ive done it all" |
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Herzog Wolfhammer
Sigma Special Tactics Group
6567
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Posted - 2015.04.21 05:45:44 -
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Destiny Corrupted wrote:Herzog Wolfhammer wrote:You see the highsec PVPer wants to travel in the same safety as the mission runner or the incursioner. You say this a lot but you never provide a source.
Playing since 2006 is not relevant I guess. I've done my PVP from null to high and seen the range.
What is it with people these days they need a listicle for everything that must be in print (automatically making it the truth) and a youtube video to walk their ritalined brains through every point in said listicle before they understand it.
Rather than play your "show me proof" game I'm going to do something more enjoyable and allow you time to prove me wrong.
As for Kaarous - try undocking sometime and you'll see what goes on in game instead of writing about it.
Bring back DEEEEP Space!
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Kaarous Aldurald
Glorious Revolutionary Armed Forces of Highsec CODE.
12695
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Posted - 2015.04.21 05:48:04 -
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Herzog Wolfhammer wrote: Playing since 2006 is not relevant I guess.
Not if you're going to claim it as a substitute for facts or proof, no.
"Verily, I have often laughed at the weaklings who thought themselves good because they had no claws."
One of ours, ten of theirs.
Best Meltdown Ever.
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Herzog Wolfhammer
Sigma Special Tactics Group
6567
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Posted - 2015.04.21 05:49:59 -
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Kaarous Aldurald wrote:Herzog Wolfhammer wrote: You see the highsec PVPer wants to travel in the same safety as the mission runner or the incursioner. They won't admit it.
Yeah, that's exactly how being neg ten works. Your ranting has really gone off the deep end lately.
There's a fellow by the name of LieK Darz who operates around towards the Korsiki direction of The Forge region and he's negative ten along with an alt he uses and I have not seen it stop them. (Very by the book and respectable too )
Being neg 10 in highsec is still better than nullsec bubbles and BLOPs drop. Go ahead and throw some Church of HTFU dogma at it and see what you can do with it.
Bring back DEEEEP Space!
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Demerius Xenocratus
Federal Defense Union Gallente Federation
231
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Posted - 2015.04.21 05:55:45 -
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Kaarous Aldurald wrote:Herzog Wolfhammer wrote: You see the highsec PVPer wants to travel in the same safety as the mission runner or the incursioner. They won't admit it.
Yeah, that's exactly how being neg ten works. Your ranting has really gone off the deep end lately.
What highsec mercs are -10? The only -10 players in highsec are dedicated gank alts. And I know you know this. The wardec spamming station huggers are all positive sec and rely on CONCORD protection just as much as their targets. CONCORD makes sure no one else interferes with their seal clubbing.
I would love to see someone try to undock their blingy t3 while being -10.
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Destiny Corrupted
Deadly Viper Kitten Mitten Sewing Company
2831
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Posted - 2015.04.21 05:56:05 -
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Herzog Wolfhammer wrote:Destiny Corrupted wrote:Herzog Wolfhammer wrote:You see the highsec PVPer wants to travel in the same safety as the mission runner or the incursioner. You say this a lot but you never provide a source. Playing since 2006 is not relevant I guess. I've done my PVP from null to high and seen the range. What is it with people these days they need a listicle for everything that must be in print (automatically making it the truth) and a youtube video to walk their ritalined brains through every point in said listicle before they understand it. Rather than play your "show me proof" game I'm going to do something more enjoyable and allow you time to prove me wrong. As for Kaarous - try undocking sometime and you'll see what goes on in game instead of writing about it. If you're going to do something as asinine as demand that I disprove an unsubstantiated claim that you have made against other people, then I will just go ahead and say that I've been in the game two years longer than you have, and as such, anything I say automatically overrides anything you say, because I'm the older player.
I wrote some true EVE stories! And no, they're not of the generic "my 0.0 alliance had lots of 0.0 fleets and took a lot of 0.0 space" sort. Check them out here:
https://truestories.eveonline.com/users/2074-destiny-corrupted
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Scipio Artelius
The Vendunari End of Life
36154
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Posted - 2015.04.21 05:58:18 -
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Herzog Wolfhammer wrote:There's a fellow by the name of LieK Darz who operates around towards the Korsiki direction of The Forge region and he's negative ten along with an alt he uses and I have not seen it stop them. (Very by the book and respectable too ) Surely, not being stopped by being -10 is not the same as travelling in the same safety as the mission runner or incursioner (or really, anyone that isn't outlaw)?
This is totally off topic to the OPs point (since being a wardeccer doesn't go well as a -10), so not worth spending much time on, but surely you can't say they are the same.
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Dana Goodeye
Quafe Commandos Point Blank Alliance
2
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Posted - 2015.04.21 05:59:20 -
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hisec wars can be fun. fly smart and cheap, and humiliate them =) or if you cant, find a losec pocket, and move in. and have some pvpers there. a curse or two, and lets say a bunch of frigs or 1-2 t3 cruisers can fight off almost anything in a losec pocket. griffins are also can cause butthurt :) just wach out for cynos. btw, for a hisec war, you also can use lets say 5-10 griffins and 5-10 brawler ab spider comets. just need some practice to rep mates and shoot targets, not the oposite :D but if youre an old player, you should know how to fly cheap and effective in a war =P |
Demerius Xenocratus
Federal Defense Union Gallente Federation
233
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Posted - 2015.04.21 06:02:32 -
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Scipio Artelius wrote:Mr Deleted wrote:highsec is overrated, lowsec is where its at, and it solves the war deccing problems, all the war deccers cant go to lowsec, thats where real fights are Like taking a Stratios, Broadsword, Proteus and Gnosis to kill an Interon Mk V, Sigil or Badger? Or even more ships to kill a Mackinaw? Those sorts of fights? Seems plausible. They look so much more real than what the highsec pvpers do.
You just described 99% of highsec pvp. I've never seen a mackinaw in lowsec.
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Herzog Wolfhammer
Sigma Special Tactics Group
6567
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Posted - 2015.04.21 06:03:49 -
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Destiny Corrupted wrote:Herzog Wolfhammer wrote:Destiny Corrupted wrote:Herzog Wolfhammer wrote:You see the highsec PVPer wants to travel in the same safety as the mission runner or the incursioner. You say this a lot but you never provide a source. Playing since 2006 is not relevant I guess. I've done my PVP from null to high and seen the range. What is it with people these days they need a listicle for everything that must be in print (automatically making it the truth) and a youtube video to walk their ritalined brains through every point in said listicle before they understand it. Rather than play your "show me proof" game I'm going to do something more enjoyable and allow you time to prove me wrong. As for Kaarous - try undocking sometime and you'll see what goes on in game instead of writing about it. If you're going to do something as asinine as demand that I disprove an unsubstantiated claim that you have made against other people, then I will just go ahead and say that I've been in the game two years longer than you have, and as such, anything I say automatically overrides anything you say, because I'm the older player.
Go ahead and pull rank then. I'm going to disagree with you anyway. I can't avoid this pattern that you and several well known forum names around here swoop into these threads like moths to a flame to say the same old stuff over and over again.
For that reason alone nothing you will say to me has any meaning because I suspect there are people who think they own the game and don't want other people playing it.
Even the "deny the playing of the game" mechanics are being reviewed and/or changed.
And shame on you for not remembering what the game used to be like, how much better it was when the community was not so aspergian.
Bring back DEEEEP Space!
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Scipio Artelius
The Vendunari End of Life
36154
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Posted - 2015.04.21 06:04:30 -
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Demerius Xenocratus wrote:You just described 99% of highsec pvp. I've never seen a mackinaw in lowsec.
Go and look at that guys killboard.
He is ridiculing highsec pvpers on the basis that 'real fights' happen in lowsec. But he is doing just the same.
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Herzog Wolfhammer
Sigma Special Tactics Group
6567
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Posted - 2015.04.21 06:07:52 -
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Scipio Artelius wrote:Herzog Wolfhammer wrote:There's a fellow by the name of LieK Darz who operates around towards the Korsiki direction of The Forge region and he's negative ten along with an alt he uses and I have not seen it stop them. (Very by the book and respectable too ) Surely, not being stopped by being -10 is not the same as travelling in the same safety as the mission runner or incursioner (or really, anyone that isn't outlaw)? This is totally off topic to the OPs point (since being a wardeccer doesn't go well as a -10), so not worth spending much time on, but surely you can't say they are the same.
Did not say they are the same. I'm saying that a -10 operating in highsec is still having a better time than nullsec PVP.
Nullsec PVP - roams in particular but you can throw in small gang - was always "die in a fire". These days due to the resource and SP gaps, you may not get a kill before that inevitable end. Highsec ganking though - you still die in a fire, but you get a kill before you do. If that kill exceeds your loss, that's green for the KB. I've seen highsec PVP corps that have "Killboard padding" as one of their benefits. Lose some inties for some big fat freighter ganks, you know how this works.
Bring back DEEEEP Space!
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Demerius Xenocratus
Federal Defense Union Gallente Federation
234
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Posted - 2015.04.21 06:09:08 -
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Destiny Corrupted wrote:I'm going to give you a really big clue, OP. And I won't post it on an alt, either. Are you ready? As someone who has ran/currently is running multiple high-sec piracy/mercenary corporations, I haven't had any problem with incoming war declarations, even in the very, very rare instances in which we actually received them. Why do you think this is? Perhaps this is a little old case of not being able to defend what you have, and asking for artificial defense in the form of restrictions implemented by the developers, instead of either scaling down your operations to become less of a target, or becoming proactive and aggressive enough so as not to appear as one to others in the first place, hm? Edit: Quote:Ive done it all: Build caps; Military Director for a Large Sov holding allaince; FC for small gang leet pvp low sec; FC for high skilled high sec mercs Yeah uh, I'm not buying it.
You don't see the logical conclusion of this argument. You want PvP focused bittervets with a half dozen alts apiece to be able to kick the **** out of everyone else, anywhere in the game. And you don't see why this is bad.
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Shederov Blood
Deadly Viper Kitten Mitten Sewing Company
1523
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Posted - 2015.04.21 06:10:22 -
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Herzog Wolfhammer wrote:Did not say they are the same. I'm saying that a -10 operating in highsec is still having a better time than nullsec PVP. No, what you said was...
Herzog Wolfhammer wrote:You see the highsec PVPer wants to travel in the same safety as the mission runner or the incursioner.
Who put the goat in there?
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Kaarous Aldurald
Glorious Revolutionary Armed Forces of Highsec CODE.
12696
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Posted - 2015.04.21 06:11:03 -
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Herzog Wolfhammer wrote: There's a fellow by the name of LieK Darz who operates around towards the Korsiki direction of The Forge region and he's negative ten along with an alt he uses and I have not seen it stop them.
So what?
Your whole claim was that highsec PvP players want to travel in safety like an incursion runner.
And that's empirically false.
"Verily, I have often laughed at the weaklings who thought themselves good because they had no claws."
One of ours, ten of theirs.
Best Meltdown Ever.
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Scipio Artelius
The Vendunari End of Life
36158
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Posted - 2015.04.21 06:12:11 -
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Herzog Wolfhammer wrote:Even the "deny the playing of the game" mechanics are being reviewed and/or changed. In just about every thread when this comes up, most people on both sides of the argument express the view that the wardec system needs to be changed. Not everyone, but many have the view that the mechanic could be improved.
The -10 argument doesn't really have any place in this thread, since that is a separate thing. This one's about highsec wardec mechanics being broken, not gankers.
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Demerius Xenocratus
Federal Defense Union Gallente Federation
234
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Posted - 2015.04.21 06:13:28 -
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Scipio Artelius wrote:Demerius Xenocratus wrote:You just described 99% of highsec pvp. I've never seen a mackinaw in lowsec.
Go and look at that guy's killboard. He is ridiculing highsec pvpers on the basis that 'real fights' happen in lowsec. But he is doing just the same. It's the typical double standard argument.
There are very few real fights in EVE. Everybody wants an easy gank. But the risk-reward for highsec mercs is broken.
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Demerius Xenocratus
Federal Defense Union Gallente Federation
234
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Posted - 2015.04.21 06:14:38 -
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Scipio Artelius wrote:Herzog Wolfhammer wrote:Even the "deny the playing of the game" mechanics are being reviewed and/or changed. In just about every thread when this comes up, most people on both sides of the argument express the view that the wardec system needs to be changed. Not everyone, but many have the view that the mechanic could be improved. The -10 argument doesn't really have any place in this thread, since that is a separate thing. This one's about highsec wardec mechanics being broken, not gankers.
Kaarous is the one that dropped the -10 red herring I believe.
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Destiny Corrupted
Deadly Viper Kitten Mitten Sewing Company
2833
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Posted - 2015.04.21 06:14:59 -
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Herzog Wolfhammer wrote:Go ahead and pull rank then. I'm going to disagree with you anyway. I can't avoid this pattern that you and several well known forum names around here swoop into these threads like moths to a flame to say the same old stuff over and over again. You can avoid it by not making claims about other people, from their perspective, without presenting some kind of quantifiable data to support it. That, or you could preface such statements with "I think that..." Either would work.
Herzog Wolfhammer wrote:And shame on you for not remembering what the game used to be like, how much better it was when the community was not so aspergian. Nothing has changed, except the ever-increasing tendency to demand to be able to operate outside of the game's conventional rules by the average revolving-door freemium fan who gets an EVE trial link from his favorite YouTube broadcaster.
We killed (and were killed by) players ten years ago exactly the same way as today (except there were much less limitations on player violence back then), and the only difference is that back then, much fewer players complained about it.
I wrote some true EVE stories! And no, they're not of the generic "my 0.0 alliance had lots of 0.0 fleets and took a lot of 0.0 space" sort. Check them out here:
https://truestories.eveonline.com/users/2074-destiny-corrupted
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Kaarous Aldurald
Glorious Revolutionary Armed Forces of Highsec CODE.
12696
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Posted - 2015.04.21 06:15:19 -
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Demerius Xenocratus wrote: There are very few real fights in EVE. Everybody wants an easy gank. But the risk-reward for highsec mercs is broken.
The only way it's broken is that it can be dodged.
Everything else is dependent on the defender. My risk is what they are willing to give me. If they aren't, that's their fault, not mine, and not the game's.
Theirs.
"Verily, I have often laughed at the weaklings who thought themselves good because they had no claws."
One of ours, ten of theirs.
Best Meltdown Ever.
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Destiny Corrupted
Deadly Viper Kitten Mitten Sewing Company
2835
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Posted - 2015.04.21 06:17:56 -
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Demerius Xenocratus wrote:Destiny Corrupted wrote:I'm going to give you a really big clue, OP. And I won't post it on an alt, either. Are you ready? As someone who has ran/currently is running multiple high-sec piracy/mercenary corporations, I haven't had any problem with incoming war declarations, even in the very, very rare instances in which we actually received them. Why do you think this is? Perhaps this is a little old case of not being able to defend what you have, and asking for artificial defense in the form of restrictions implemented by the developers, instead of either scaling down your operations to become less of a target, or becoming proactive and aggressive enough so as not to appear as one to others in the first place, hm? Edit: Quote:Ive done it all: Build caps; Military Director for a Large Sov holding allaince; FC for small gang leet pvp low sec; FC for high skilled high sec mercs Yeah uh, I'm not buying it. You don't see the logical conclusion of this argument. You want PvP focused bittervets with a half dozen alts apiece to be able to kick the **** out of everyone else, anywhere in the game. And you don't see why this is bad. No, what I want is you people to understand that I've earned my right to mine and run missions in peace. It wasn't given to me for free.
I wrote some true EVE stories! And no, they're not of the generic "my 0.0 alliance had lots of 0.0 fleets and took a lot of 0.0 space" sort. Check them out here:
https://truestories.eveonline.com/users/2074-destiny-corrupted
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