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Valedictio Imperial Academy Amarr Empire 35	Posted - 2015.04.21 17:25:36 - [211] - Quote alexclone1 wrote: Destiny Corrupted wrote: I'm going to give you a really big clue, OP. And I won't post it on an alt, either. Are you ready? As someone who has ran/currently is running multiple high-sec piracy/mercenary corporations, I haven't had any problem with incoming war declarations, even in the very, very rare instances in which we actually received them. Why do you think this is? Because those that war dec only want to shoot at miners? And not engage in actual pvp? My point isnt that an industrial corp shouldnt be war dec'd at all. But currently the ability for 300+ people to war dec AT ONCE and PERMANENTLY does seem right. How is a corp supposed to grow to a point where it can defend itself? AT ONCE ( What happened to the 24 hr Period ? ) PERMANENTLY ( Yeah if they feel like renewing the fee ) a 1 man corps can wardec just as well as a 1000 man corps, What I would really like to know is why YOU managed to have everyone permadec your corps, for that to happen you or a member of your corps must have done something to someone ? Is this more a case of you paying the consequences of your actions and crying that it's not fair ? action/reaction, I have had decs against and declared them ( POS Bashing for isk) even had corps jumpers kill some corpies, (1 man corps suddenly grows a few members), I laughed at them for being stupid. So what happened to bring this hurt locker to you ? and now for some more of the same from the Constructive Feedback Consortium. Human Torch time and ..........'FLAME ON'
Herzog Wolfhammer Sigma Special Tactics Group 6588	Posted - 2015.04.21 17:28:02 - [212] - Quote Dracvlad wrote: Danalee wrote: Dracvlad wrote: Stay a while and listen while I tell you the story of my people Dracvlad, sorry to break it to you but the reason you got wardecced was your crying on the forums. No goon plot to "get you" or anything involved. The onus for your corpies leaving is therefor on you. They didn't want to go after marmites or whoever and you pestered them untill they left for GTA. Learn from that. For all the impact you think you have otherwise, you are (as I, I admit) quite irrelevant. You being docked somewhere doesn't impact anyone. Forums are a fun pastime for me so... meh. Someone getting killed somewhere in a game about killing stuff is again... Well, you know what I mean. Please stop derailing this thread with post about how you are bad at EVE and want EVE to drop to your level. Either shape up or ship out. No tears will be shed, anyway the wind blows. D. Really, yet at the same time you war dec'd a number of other anti-gankers who had been active in Niarja, coincidence, not really, in fact the other corp in my alliance was independently war dec'd by your before they joined us. Crying, not at all, going after a poster who was making statements about carebears and yet had not killed a single ship nor had he lost anything either. If that is crying then you need to think a bit deeper. My corpies have fought the Orphanage and Marmite in other corps, they just have no interest in you and your alliance, GTA 5 coming along was the final nail. Play Eve and have people in instra lock ships run away, yeah right, GTA 5 wins for them. Of course I am irrelevant, and I am docked now, but was not earlier, in fact I was moving a load of ships I brought back through a WH from Stain into lowsec and I was moving them to Osmon and yet not a single Marmite showed up for 8 hours, thats bad at Eve. Either you want to kill me or you don't, yesterday I was saving a freighter from the Goons for over two hours and yet again no show from Marmite. Do you honestly do anything, you cannot even take down my POS, talk about useless and bad at Eve. But my post was to detail the issue with war decs in terms of having no reason to fight, I have no reason to fight you people and calling me names does not work either, I am seriously not bothered by anything you say and that shows how bad you are. Siggi is getting ripped off, it appears. Hope he didn't spend ISK on the merc contract. Bring back DEEEEP Space!
Solecist Project The Scope Gallente Federation 20798	Posted - 2015.04.21 17:30:01 - [213] - Quote alexclone1 wrote: Destiny Corrupted wrote: I'm going to give you a really big clue, OP. And I won't post it on an alt, either. Are you ready? As someone who has ran/currently is running multiple high-sec piracy/mercenary corporations, I haven't had any problem with incoming war declarations, even in the very, very rare instances in which we actually received them. Why do you think this is? Because those that war dec only want to shoot at miners? And not engage in actual pvp? My point isnt that an industrial corp shouldnt be war dec'd at all. But currently the ability for 300+ people to war dec AT ONCE and PERMANENTLY does seem right. How is a corp supposed to grow to a point where it can defend itself? Not every corp is destined to do so. That's a matter of fact. If we hadn't natural selection, which seperates the strong from the weak ... ... how do you think it would look like? Without corps falling apart, there would be no point to corps at all. Everyone could grow his corp potentially forever. What I mean to say is that ... ... no one has the right to grow a corp. If your corpmembers are not willing to fight for the corp ... ... then you have bad corpmembers ... ... which means the corp would have failed anyway. If you have issues defending yourself, then ... ... the CEO needs to learn and teach his member. ... the CEO needs to hire someone who teaches it. ... the corp breaks from being naturally selected. There are thousands of active corps out there ... ... and they are just fine for one reason or another. Or several. And I honestly can not stress enough that a bunch of noobs ... ... even day old chars ... ... can help defend their corp based on the instructions of people who know how. "Starting, taking part in, or completing a z0r chain is punishable by a permaban from the forums" - actual rule. My 386DX33 was the most expensive computer I ever owned. Eat. Sleep. Profit. Repeat.
alexclone1 Deep Core Mining Inc. Caldari State 12	Posted - 2015.04.21 17:33:08 - [214] - Quote Daerrol wrote: OP: Spends a paragraph discussing how good an EVE Commander he is; posts on an alt. Sorry but I've played games with highsec war players. I've gotten a few kills in them and a lot of losses. Thing is, I'm -really- bad at this game, and I was working solo. I firmly believe a mix of competency + friends I could have delt my share of blows in highsec wars. When I'm in a real PVP alliance, even 20 man or so, we usually got a few kills and no losses from wars. I understand your your feelings towards this matter. I used an alt because im known to be controversial, and i didnt want that getting in the way of what i feel is very important. 9 pages later, and healthy discussion - clearly this was the right choice.
alexclone1 Deep Core Mining Inc. Caldari State 12	Posted - 2015.04.21 17:38:49 - [215] - Quote Solecist Project wrote: alexclone1 wrote: [quote=Destiny Corrupted]I'm going to give you a really big clue, OP. And I won't post it on an alt, either. Are you ready? As someone who has ran/currently is running multiple high-sec piracy/mercenary corporations, I haven't had any problem with incoming war declarations, even in the very, very rare instances in which we actually received them. Why do you think this is? If we hadn't natural selection, which seperates the strong from the weak ... ... how do you think it would look like? Without corps falling apart, there would be no point to corps at all. Everyone could grow his corp potentially forever. What I mean to say is that ... ... no one has the right to grow a corp. Ask LOVESQUAD. Your arguement is that in high sec, where npc factions rule, that you should be able to crush any industrial corporation because you feel that you are superior. Your arguement fits best in low/null sec. High sec is where new bros learn to grow in the game. How can that be achieved when 50m+ sp characters are in a 300 man group shooting down 5m sp characters and calling it leet pvp? How can such low skill characters that most often trained into a mining barge even hope to fight off faction fit Battleships? My arguement IS NOT that this SHOULD NOT happen. Im ok with faction fit BS's chasing down miners in a corp. However it is the Number and duration of it that i find broken. A pvp alliance can war dec just anyone anyone, at once, for an unlimited amount of time because the costs are so low. Raise the costs.
Dracvlad Taishi Combine Second-Dawn 797	Posted - 2015.04.21 17:43:42 - [216] - Quote Danalee wrote: Dracvlad wrote: But my post was to detail the issue with war decs in terms of having no reason to fight, I have no reason to fight you people and calling me names does not work either, I am seriously not bothered by anything you say and that shows how bad you are. You insisting on writing pagelong essays of how much you don't care isn't very convincing. Just saying. I haven't called you any names and if I did, that wouldn't change anything about the fact you clearly are clueless when it comes to hisec wars. But let's drink your brand of coolaid for a minute; You aren't bothered by wardecs, in fact, you welcome them. What's your point or better yet problem than? D. As if I care, you say you war dec'd me because I took some loser to task over his killboard when he was sprouting HTFU rubbish in another thread and yet you don't even come after me, this exchange between me and you lies at the heart of the disconnect of war dec's, I happen to think you war decc'd us because you were paid, but all I am is added to the pot so your instra lockers can kill a few noobs. But lets suppose you did not, you did it because of something I said, yet you have not hunted me, you have not taken down my POS, what is the reason for your war dec, how can you make me cry, except by laughing too hard. Thankyou for making me laugh so much. Ella's Snack bar
Memphis Baas 309	Posted - 2015.04.21 17:49:03 - [217] - Quote Raise the costs won't do much. But if they go that route, maybe they should implement HIGH cost for a big discrepancy in members, so that two large alliances wardeccing each other costs almost nothing, but 300 people wardeccing 20 costs A LOT. But again, as it's been pointed out, people are opposed to rules that break the freedom of the sandbox and protect the carebears with artificial rules.
Paranoid Loyd 4813	Posted - 2015.04.21 17:50:24 - [218] - Quote alexclone1 wrote: I used an alt because im known to be controversial So you are admitting you have a big mouth yet you are wondering why you are permadecced? Maybe try STFU? If you can't defend yourself, why would you draw attention to yourself by being controversial? If you can't keep a low profile then you should not be running an industrial corp. There are plenty of successful indy corps, but you've never heard of them. Guess why? Because they know how to keep good relations and keep their mouths shut. "Gankers are just other players, not supernatural monsters who will get you if you don't follow some arbitrary superstition. Haul responsibly and without irrational fear." Masao Kurata Fix the Prospect!!!
alexclone1 Deep Core Mining Inc. Caldari State 12	Posted - 2015.04.21 17:51:53 - [219] - Quote Valedictio wrote: alexclone1 wrote: Destiny Corrupted wrote: I'm going to give you a really big clue, OP. And I won't post it on an alt, either. Are you ready? As someone who has ran/currently is running multiple high-sec piracy/mercenary corporations, I haven't had any problem with incoming war declarations, even in the very, very rare instances in which we actually received them. Why do you think this is? Because those that war dec only want to shoot at miners? And not engage in actual pvp? My point isnt that an industrial corp shouldnt be war dec'd at all. But currently the ability for 300+ people to war dec AT ONCE and PERMANENTLY does seem right. How is a corp supposed to grow to a point where it can defend itself? AT ONCE ( What happened to the 24 hr Period ? ) PERMANENTLY ( Yeah if they feel like renewing the fee ) a 1 man corps can wardec just as well as a 1000 man corps, What I would really like to know is why YOU managed to have everyone permadec your corps, for that to happen you or a member of your corps must have done something to someone ? Is this more a case of you paying the consequences of your actions and crying that it's not fair ? action/reaction, I have had decs against and declared them ( POS Bashing for isk) even had corps jumpers kill some corpies, (1 man corps suddenly grows a few members), I laughed at them for being stupid. So what happened to bring this hurt locker to you ? AT ONCE - meaning multiple alliances war decing at the same time Permanently - you answered your own question What? Are you saying that 1 man corp can war dec an equal amount of 1000 man corps? I dont understand your point Neither. More of a case of 30 corpies being online at the same time and leet pvpers looking for easy kills. What happened is listed in the original post Thanks for your comments!
alexclone1 Deep Core Mining Inc. Caldari State 12	Posted - 2015.04.21 17:54:21 - [220] - Quote Paranoid Loyd wrote: alexclone1 wrote: I used an alt because im known to be controversial So you are admitting you have a big mouth yet you are wondering why you are permadecced? Maybe try STFU? If you can't defend yourself, why would you draw attention to yourself by being controversial? If you can't keep a low profile then you should not be running an industrial corp. There are plenty of successful indy corps, but you've never heard of them. Guess why? Because they know how to keep good relations and keep their mouths shut. Controversial in null sec. And i didnt use my null sec character to create a high sec corp. Its difficult to keep a 'low profile' in an industry corp when 30+ peeps are online at once. Please educate me about these 'good relations' between industrial corps and merc alliances. Does 'good relations' mean having to pay a ransom constantly?

Solecist Project The Scope Gallente Federation 20800	Posted - 2015.04.21 17:54:32 - [221] - Quote alexclone1 wrote: Solecist Project wrote: alexclone1 wrote: [quote=Destiny Corrupted]I'm going to give you a really big clue, OP. And I won't post it on an alt, either. Are you ready? As someone who has ran/currently is running multiple high-sec piracy/mercenary corporations, I haven't had any problem with incoming war declarations, even in the very, very rare instances in which we actually received them. Why do you think this is? If we hadn't natural selection, which seperates the strong from the weak ... ... how do you think it would look like? Without corps falling apart, there would be no point to corps at all. Everyone could grow his corp potentially forever. What I mean to say is that ... ... no one has the right to grow a corp. Ask LOVESQUAD. Your arguement is that in high sec, where npc factions rule, that you should be able to crush any industrial corporation because you feel that you are superior. Your arguement fits best in low/null sec. High sec is where new bros learn to grow in the game. How can that be achieved when 50m+ sp characters are in a 300 man group shooting down 5m sp characters and calling it leet pvp? How can such low skill characters that most often trained into a mining barge even hope to fight off faction fit Battleships? My arguement IS NOT that this SHOULD NOT happen. Im ok with faction fit BS's chasing down miners in a corp. However it is the Number and duration of it that i find broken. A pvp alliance can war dec just anyone anyone, at once, for an unlimited amount of time because the costs are so low. Raise the costs. No. You put words in my mouth and argue as if I had personal feelings about it. These are yours. Superiority is a matter of fact, as long as it is proven. Nature works that way. The weak perish. It's natural and allows organic growth. You seem not to know that new playwrs with proper instructions can bring down battleships. Takes them what, an hour ? to learn with practise. You not knowing better does not change that. And someone who can fly a barge can fly a frigate. Can skill ten minutes to ecm. Can lock, activate a module and orbit. All that stands in your way of realising what's going on ... ... is realising that you are missing far more than you are aware of. "Starting, taking part in, or completing a z0r chain is punishable by a permaban from the forums" - actual rule. My 386DX33 was the most expensive computer I ever owned. Eat. Sleep. Profit. Repeat.
Danalee Somalian Coast Guard Authority The Marmite Collective 1338	Posted - 2015.04.21 17:55:55 - [222] - Quote Dracvlad wrote: As if I care, you say you war dec'd me because I took some loser to task over his killboard when he was sprouting HTFU rubbish in another thread and yet you don't even come after me, this exchange between me and you lies at the heart of the disconnect of war dec's, I happen to think you war decc'd us because you were paid, but all I am is added to the pot so your instra lockers can kill a few noobs. But lets suppose you did not, you did it because of something I said, yet you have not hunted me, you have not taken down my POS, what is the reason for your war dec, how can you make me cry, except by laughing too hard. Thankyou for making me laugh so much. Look at it like a trapper. I go out and set traps... hundreds of them. Than I do my rounds... sometimes I get lots of game, sometimes I get none. I have fun. You assume waaaay too much: because I took some loser to task over his killboard when he was sprouting HTFU rubbish WHAT are you talking about? you don't even come after me Did, twice. You ran. Twice. this exchange between me and you lies at the heart of the disconnect of war dec's Wait, what?! It has nothing to do with wardecs. This exchange is nothing but that. An exchange. you war decc'd us because you were paid nop. your instra lockers can kill a few noobs. My what? What are you on about? yet you have not hunted me. See above, twice. you have not taken down my POS Yet, keep talking. what is the reason for your war dec, how can you make me cry, He cried... D. Proud member of the Somalian Coast Guard Authority Member and Juror of the Court of Crime and Punishment
Danalee Somalian Coast Guard Authority The Marmite Collective 1338	Posted - 2015.04.21 17:58:38 - [223] - Quote alexclone1 wrote: Trollbait after trollbait after trollbait while ignoring every way forward. I'm calling bullshit right about now. OP is trollbait and nothing more. Touch+¬, you got me. D. Out. Proud member of the Somalian Coast Guard Authority Member and Juror of the Court of Crime and Punishment
Freya Sertan Ministry of War Amarr Empire 53	Posted - 2015.04.21 18:00:54 - [224] - Quote This makes me sad I offered my services... such as they are. Ah well, guess I'm a sucker.
Solecist Project The Scope Gallente Federation 20800	Posted - 2015.04.21 18:11:30 - [225] - Quote Danalee wrote: alexclone1 wrote: Trollbait after trollbait after trollbait while ignoring every way forward. I'm calling bullshit right about now. OP is trollbait and nothing more. Touch+¬, you got me. D. Out. No. He's a hater with agenda. It's perfect to cement once again how wrong they are. And the next time someone comes up with it ... ... we just link here ... ... and lock down the thread on our own. Sqdly people on our side work against us as well ... "Starting, taking part in, or completing a z0r chain is punishable by a permaban from the forums" - actual rule. My 386DX33 was the most expensive computer I ever owned. Eat. Sleep. Profit. Repeat.
ISD Ezwal ISD Community Communications Liaisons 4417	Posted - 2015.04.21 18:16:05 - [226] - Quote I have removed a rule breaking post and the one quoting it. The Rules: 4. Personal attacks are prohibited. Commonly known as flaming, personal attacks are posts that are designed to personally berate or insult another forum user. Posts of this nature are not beneficial to the community spirit that CCP promote and as such they will not be tolerated. ISD Ezwal Vice Admiral Community Communication Liaisons (CCLs) Interstellar Services Department
Solecist Project The Scope Gallente Federation 20801	Posted - 2015.04.21 18:21:16 - [227] - Quote Oh I forgot. Raising the costs is pointless and bad. It would just make it harder for newer pilots to wardec others. This btw shows how flawed your perception is when it comes to the game. "Starting, taking part in, or completing a z0r chain is punishable by a permaban from the forums" - actual rule. My 386DX33 was the most expensive computer I ever owned. Eat. Sleep. Profit. Repeat.
alexclone1 Deep Core Mining Inc. Caldari State 12	Posted - 2015.04.21 18:23:00 - [228] - Quote Solecist Project wrote: alexclone1 wrote: Solecist Project wrote: [quote=alexclone1][quote=Destiny Corrupted]I'm going to give you a really big clue, OP. And I won't post it on an alt, either. Are you ready? As someone who has ran/currently is running multiple high-sec piracy/mercenary corporations, I haven't had any problem with incoming war declarations, even in the very, very rare instances in which we actually received them. Why do you think this is? If we hadn't natural selection, which seperates the strong from the weak ... ... how do you think it would look like? Without corps falling apart, there would be no point to corps at all. Everyone could grow his corp potentially forever. What I mean to say is that ... ... no one has the right to grow a corp. Ask LOVESQUAD. Your arguement is that in high sec, where npc factions rule, that you should be able to crush any industrial corporation because you feel that you are superior. Your arguement fits best in low/null sec. High sec is where new bros learn to grow in the game. How can that be achieved when 50m+ sp characters are in a 300 man group shooting down 5m sp characters and calling it leet pvp? How can such low skill characters that most often trained into a mining barge even hope to fight off faction fit Battleships? My arguement IS NOT that this SHOULD NOT happen. Im ok with faction fit BS's chasing down miners in a corp. However it is the Number and duration of it that i find broken. [b] You seem not to know that new playwrs with proper instructions can bring down battleships. Takes them what, an hour ? to learn with practise. You not knowing better does not change that. interesting. plz post kill mail
alexclone1 Deep Core Mining Inc. Caldari State 12	Posted - 2015.04.21 18:25:12 - [229] - Quote Danalee wrote: alexclone1 wrote: Trollbait after trollbait after trollbait while ignoring every way forward. I'm calling bullshit right about now. OP is trollbait and nothing more. Touch+¬, you got me. D. Out. How can a war dec mechanic (that i am defending) that used to exist FOR OVER A DECADE be considered a troll?
SilentAsTheGrave Brave Newbies Inc. Brave Collective 187	Posted - 2015.04.21 18:26:52 - [230] - Quote The problem with war decs is there is no grey area where players can have choices on mitigating it. It is all or nothing. So small groups are easily overwhelmed by large and powerful forces. Sure you can cross your arms and say, "that's eve" But the reality is it does not make for good gameplay. Buddy Program: If you sign up with my buddy invite link and subscribe with a valid payment method - I will give you 95% of the going rate for PLEX!

alexclone1 Deep Core Mining Inc. Caldari State 12	Posted - 2015.04.21 18:29:53 - [231] - Quote SilentAsTheGrave wrote: The problem with war decs is there is no grey area where players can have choices on mitigating it. It is all or nothing. So small groups are easily overwhelmed by large and powerful forces. Sure you can cross your arms and say, "that's eve" But the reality is it does not make for good gameplay. exactly. War decs are good. Industrial corps should be war dec'd. But the current mechanic allowing just about everyone, at once, to wardec a corp that already has 5 war decs against it makes no sense. And if your corp is active, and dudes die (which happens in wardecs) then they constantly become renewed. Esentially your only option is to log out for a week and pray they dont renew. 30 vs 300 just isnt viable. Especially when the costs of said war dec are minimal. Edit: This is high sec. Not null sec. In null sec you wave all right to things being fair because there are no npc faction/mechanics protecting you. Its pure politics. In high sec, you have a pay a fee to the npc faction (not shoot on site) and that is the particular mechanic that is broken imo. The costs need to be higher. If you wanted to war dec someone, it should be because they REALLY pissed you off. Not because you want to shoot at miners.
Solecist Project The Scope Gallente Federation 20804	Posted - 2015.04.21 18:30:20 - [232] - Quote Quote: interesting. plz post kill mail And this bullshit is what exposes you as a hater. This thread should be locked, but as you wish to help us .... You actually think this ends my argument. You know that even if I digged one out (hey Ralph?) you would claim fake. But tell you what. You roll a new char and we show you. Easily done and there will be no shadow of a doubt left. So... what's your excuse now? "Starting, taking part in, or completing a z0r chain is punishable by a permaban from the forums" - actual rule. My 386DX33 was the most expensive computer I ever owned. Eat. Sleep. Profit. Repeat.
Danalee Somalian Coast Guard Authority The Marmite Collective 1340	Posted - 2015.04.21 18:31:01 - [233] - Quote I'll end it with this; I can make a corp. In that corp I can mine, mission, have structures, have no tax and I can market PVP. Anyone can wardec my small corp. If that happens, which will be very rare, I can continue doing the same thing as before. 10 man corp? Same thing. 100 man corp? SAME THING. 5000000+ Alliance... guess what? Same yeah. Your argument is so flawed it went from funny to sad and back, twice. Wardecs should be free. D. Proud member of the Somalian Coast Guard Authority Member and Juror of the Court of Crime and Punishment
Solecist Project The Scope Gallente Federation 20804	Posted - 2015.04.21 18:31:13 - [234] - Quote Oh btw hi Veers. "Starting, taking part in, or completing a z0r chain is punishable by a permaban from the forums" - actual rule. My 386DX33 was the most expensive computer I ever owned. Eat. Sleep. Profit. Repeat.
Solecist Project The Scope Gallente Federation 20804	Posted - 2015.04.21 18:32:06 - [235] - Quote Danalee wrote: I'll end it with this; I can make a corp. In that corp I can mine, mission, have structures, have no tax and I can market PVP. Anyone can wardec my small corp. If that happens, which will be very rare, I can continue doing the same thing as before. 10 man corp? Same thing. 100 man corp? SAME THING. 5000000+ Alliance... guess what? Same yeah. Your argument is so flawed it went from funny to sad and back, twice. Wardecs should be free. D. Let's do this. Can I join? No one wants me even though I even made a recruitment thread. :( "Starting, taking part in, or completing a z0r chain is punishable by a permaban from the forums" - actual rule. My 386DX33 was the most expensive computer I ever owned. Eat. Sleep. Profit. Repeat.
alexclone1 Deep Core Mining Inc. Caldari State 12	Posted - 2015.04.21 18:33:58 - [236] - Quote Solecist Project wrote: Quote: interesting. plz post kill mail And this bullshit is what exposes you as a hater. This thread should be locked, but as you wish to help us .... You actually think this ends my argument. You know that even if I digged one out (hey Ralph?) you would claim fake. But tell you what. You roll a new char and we show you. Easily done and there will be no shadow of a doubt left. So... what's your excuse now? Please calm down, i dont mean any disrespect. Firstly you said it would take an hour to kill a battleship. Ok, im sure it can be done. My question is how often does 1 guy wardec a corp? Im sure it happens, but i DONT have issues with that. My issues are with the mulitple mega war decing groups that can war dec everyone at will. Where is this Battlehips's friends? Im sure you been in high sec wars, and you would know that even a war dec'd frigate would be met with EVERYONE trying to get on a km.
Danalee Somalian Coast Guard Authority The Marmite Collective 1340	Posted - 2015.04.21 18:37:29 - [237] - Quote The bigger they are, the more chance for the hunter to become the prey. Also, no amount of battleships will ever kill my frigate and I have the added bonus of being able to split them up untill I have them right where I want them. D. Proud member of the Somalian Coast Guard Authority Member and Juror of the Court of Crime and Punishment
alexclone1 Deep Core Mining Inc. Caldari State 12	Posted - 2015.04.21 18:39:22 - [238] - Quote Danalee wrote: I'll end it with this; I can make a corp. In that corp I can mine, mission, have structures, have no tax and I can market PVP. Anyone can wardec my small corp. If that happens, which will be very rare, I can continue doing the same thing as before. 10 man corp? Same thing. 100 man corp? SAME THING. 5000000+ Alliance... guess what? Same yeah. Your argument is so flawed it went from funny to sad and back, twice. Wardecs should be free. D. Lets step through this. So lets say you have an active 100 man high sec corp with 40 people online at once. You get wardec'd (it isnt 'very rare' as you claim) and hundreds of pilots from experienced war decers show up to your hq system. They know where you rat (agent finder) they know where you mine (neutral cloaky alts), ect. So what happens? They put a cloaky alt in your system, watch your corpies undock to do a mission, wait 1j over and blap em. You decide to put your own cloaky alts to watch their cloaky alts. You warp to the gate (opposite gate is clear), you jump and then wt's log in, and blap you. You try to mine, war targets log in and blap you. The point is, no matter how careful you are; experienced pvpers have been doing this for YEARS. Im not against these mechanics. Im simply against the cost amount of what it takes to war dec a corp/alliance
alexclone1 Deep Core Mining Inc. Caldari State 12	Posted - 2015.04.21 18:42:35 - [239] - Quote Danalee wrote: The bigger they are, the more chance for the hunter to become the prey. Also, no amount of battleships will ever kill my frigate and I have the added bonus of being able to split them up untill I have them right where I want them. D. Dominix? - lets talk about 'the bigger you are'. Your logic SHOULD play out. So lets say you get a war dec, and your corp owes. That war decing corp calls in buddies, who call in buddies because "holy cow an industrial corp that will fight". Due to the low costs, you now have 5 war decs and hundreds of pilots looking for blood. Tell me, how does one recruit to get bigger when your corp cant even undock from station?
Solecist Project The Scope Gallente Federation 20804	Posted - 2015.04.21 18:44:53 - [240] - Quote alexclone1 wrote: Solecist Project wrote: Quote: interesting. plz post kill mail And this bullshit is what exposes you as a hater. This thread should be locked, but as you wish to help us .... You actually think this ends my argument. You know that even if I digged one out (hey Ralph?) you would claim fake. But tell you what. You roll a new char and we show you. Easily done and there will be no shadow of a doubt left. So... what's your excuse now? Please calm down, i dont mean any disrespect. Firstly you said it would take an hour to kill a battleship. Ok, im sure it can be done. My question is how often does 1 guy wardec a corp? Im sure it happens, but i DONT have issues with that. My issues are with the mulitple mega war decing groups that can war dec everyone at will. Where is this Battlehips's friends? Im sure you been in high sec wars, and you would know that even a war dec'd frigate would be met with EVERYONE trying to get on a km. No, I did say it takes an hour for a noob to learn. I wardecced quite a few corps. I even joined alliances to take on eveuni on my own. When I was -10 in highsec. A stalemate at 10vs me in a bouncing tornado ... ... ended with them bringing 20 more. It was hilarious! I got booted for ruining their killboard, because I refused to stop exlerimenting and learning. Solstice Project, Space P0lice alliance. Look ... I can assure you that big corps can as well be beaten. Tactics and attitude are everything. Take down ONE blingy ship of these idiots and they will tuck their tail up thejr rear ends and run crying for their goddamn mother! Besides there usually being reasons for these decs. (seriously you might have someone in corp who keeps running a big mouth, maybe even deliberately. You need to ask deccers! nicely!) I can also assure you that your personal biggest enemies of a happy game are ... ... your own ignorance about what you do not know. ... all the people who share your viewpoint and don't know better. Drop these morons and interact with people who actually know what they are doing! You will be surprised, trust me. The issue you are bringing up is not fixable, because the victims are ignorant about their possibilities ... ... and or might simply be outmeta'd by a member who runs a big mouth towards others. "Starting, taking part in, or completing a z0r chain is punishable by a permaban from the forums" - actual rule. My 386DX33 was the most expensive computer I ever owned. Eat. Sleep. Profit. Repeat.



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