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PCaBoo
Caldari Newbies On Xstacy Pirate Coalition
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Posted - 2006.11.05 17:48:00 -
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^^ and if they're so worried about BM's causing lag/db issues. Make them client side.
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Lucifer Fellblade
Caldari Ore Mongers Pirate Coalition
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Posted - 2006.11.05 17:57:00 -
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Originally by: Scoundrelus Edited by: Scoundrelus on 05/11/2006 17:35:48 If you are that scared to engage people on planets and belts then perhaps you SHOULD go play WoW.
I think I lost several years off my life reading that. Seriously, it's harder and more dangerous to engage people at gates by like 10 times. If people ever actually went to belts when there was a Pirate in system, who weren't noobs or being bait, then your point might make sense. ------
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Avoid
Gallente Omniscient Order
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Posted - 2006.11.05 18:01:00 -
[33]
/signed
Sig removed, lacks Eve-related content - Cortes "Here was the brand of the cigerates i smoke"
I don't smoke - Cortes |
Famine Aligher'ri
V i L e
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Posted - 2006.11.05 18:15:00 -
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Edited by: Famine Aligher''ri on 05/11/2006 18:15:44
PvP died along time ago. The only skills our new pilots learn is how to sit on gates and how to get caught in dictor camps.
RIP Solo pilots. We will miss you.
Vile - Recruiting Pirates |
Cadela Fria
Amarr eXin Alliance Pirate Coalition
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Posted - 2006.11.05 18:16:00 -
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You know..in fear of enraging my own alliance and bringing their wrath down upon me. Haven't any of you noticed that all the "signed" posts, are done by one and the same alliance and within a very short time?
Not that they aren't entitled to agree with each other, of course they are..but still. I'm kinda with s******edly on this one..it won't change much. Perhaps thats cause I don't do gate piracy that much
I say, don't worry so much about it. We're pirates..we'll adapt and just find an alternative that works just as well. Atleast thats my take on it.
*awaits previously mentioned wrath from alliance*
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Mangold
Freelance Unincorporated Ushra'Khan
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Posted - 2006.11.05 18:19:00 -
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Most people have instas anyway. If it gives less lag I'm more than happy to see it in game.
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Fred Lowe
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Posted - 2006.11.05 18:23:00 -
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What I would like to see would be the ability to drop interdiction spheres in low sec (even if we take a sec hit for it). If we can do that, I can live with the warp to 0km philosophy.
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Strike Mortol
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Posted - 2006.11.05 18:25:00 -
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Your still gonna be able to snipe, as alot of you seem to not have taken the time to go see how this all works. Autopilot will still take you 15k from the gate.
So you will still get kills maybe not as many. Alot of people are still going to do the autopilot thing.
I also think this will increase the number of players going into lowsec thinking its safer now.
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VulkanXx
Minmatar Original Black Plague Blood of the Innocents
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Posted - 2006.11.05 18:25:00 -
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Edited by: VulkanXx on 05/11/2006 18:25:48 THE SKY IS FALLING THE SKY IS FALLING! WE CANT SNIPE NOOBS APPROACHING GATES ANYMORE!!! OH NOES!!!! THE HORROR!!!!
oh wait, autopilot still warps to 15, and only noobs use autopilot in low sec, any smart person uses instas.... so.... that means..... yes....
WE CAN STILL SNIPE NOOBS!!!!!! YAY!!!!!!
Notice how it's basically all PC that are signing this?
Grow some and learn to actually pirate, not sit at gates all day, seriously.
On the other hand, you can still snipe people, cause.... wait for it.... THERES ANOTHER SIDE TO A GATE, OMG!!!!
Seriously, you guys are quite pathetic...
(this is coming from another pirate, btw, A REAL pirate.)
Edit: Speeling :P
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Mortol Strike
Evisceration. EVE Alliance9673
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Posted - 2006.11.05 18:27:00 -
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Sorry for alt post.
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Cain Bloodlust
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Posted - 2006.11.05 18:30:00 -
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I agree that this wont change much. That is what is wrong. Instas killed a lot of pvp, and that is what I personally was hoping would change. This warp to 0 craziness just cements the death of pvp.
I have been hoping that CCP would see the light since Oveurs dev blog in May 2005.
I also believe that this whole thing is overblown, as it hasnt been announced that what is on the test server is what will be on TQ, so I'm reserving judgement for now.
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mamolian
Vortex. Maelstrom Alliance
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Posted - 2006.11.05 18:30:00 -
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Originally by: tiller Edited by: tiller on 05/11/2006 17:23:02
This as far as I can see is the first stage in the removal of nonconsensual PVP from eve.
In low sec empire yes. Perhaps its time to try the consensual PVP in 0.0.. I hear its a lot of fun at times.
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LittleTerror
Caldari Beer and Kebabs Pirate Coalition
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Posted - 2006.11.05 18:42:00 -
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No no I'll tell what it should be, kill instas make it so you can't make bookmarks around the gate or station, make everyone fit to travel. That means 15km warp to and using a mwd and nano fibers, then we will see the crying start You know like it was in the first place, cos maybe CCP did not intend for people to use instas.
Whats next, concord in lowsec, sentrys in 0.0 and jump drives on battleships? ___________________________________________________ I want your stuff |
Futher Bezluden
Minmatar Red Dwarf Mining Corps Namtz'aar k'in
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Posted - 2006.11.05 18:49:00 -
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killing pvp?
pvp will still exist. Everyone has regional bookmarks to the point that the server is about to **** 0 and 1's for the next 500 years until the heap reaches jupiter, pushes it out of orbit, and sends it spiralling on a collision course for Earth. Despite that, 0km warp is not the end of the universe. Carebears have instas, pirates have them just as often. How many times have you cursed carebears for having instas? Lord knows, I have cursed about as many times when a pirate zips in for a quick kill, jumps to numerous SS's, then instas right out of system. With G2G/s instas dead, we'll just have to ***** about something new.
The nice thing with 0km warp in, is that while still flagged, if you can tank sentries until you achieve warp and avoid being scrambled, you can warp right to the next gate and be gone, or to the station and log.
All this does is reduce the server load due to bookmarks, kills off the macro'bm setters, and ruins the people who sit docked all day copying bookmarks. Now if CCP can only find a way to ruin the macro'complexers and miners, my day will be complete.
Imho, I think what is more at risk is 0.0. Start making more bubble wrap.
In reply to the OP's statement
Quote: Though many will adapt to the changes, I can't help that feel this is a nerf to far. The sickening thing is that CCP did not plan for people to 'insta' travel, that was a effect bought on by bookmarks through accidental use of game mechs. Now to relieve server load CCP are going to change the very core of the gameplay.
CCP has the tutorial on how to make instas and has allowed copying for ages now to the benefit and detriment of all players and their own servers. I can imagine pirates will only be happy with the total removal of all bm's, except the types they use, and forced warp in at 15km.
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Personally, I am glad the pirates have something to ***** about now. Gives us carebears a rest as we've been hit with the nerf bat so often our asses are calloused. When CCP decided that missions, even L4's would give less and less sec gains, all the pirates went "Yippee, %#@! the mission *****s." "Yar, you ****ers aren't YAR, so you are just fodder in my single player version of EvE: Grief Edition." Glad the tables are turned and you too feel the sting of the nerf bat upon your rumps, it only hurts the first 10 times, then it just tingles.
Oh snap... nm. All ships are getting a boost, the sentry guns aren't, and you too shall know the joy of being able to instantly drop right on the gate no matter where you are. Might even help -5 and worse traverse through high sec areas in either ceptors or impressively tanked bs's.
THUKKER -Be Paranoid
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Pete Stalker
0utbreak
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Posted - 2006.11.05 19:00:00 -
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You wont be able to snipe at 200km anyway. So this will chang gatecamping more than the warp to 0 will. But well... Camping sucks anyway
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hUssmann
Caldari Veto.
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Posted - 2006.11.05 19:01:00 -
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Originally by: LittleTerror
Whats next, concord in lowsec, sentrys in 0.0 and jump drives on battleships?
Don't, you'll give them ideas
Phoenix Lonestar > Server lag was non-existant pre-Dragon |
Xaeon
Murder-Death-Kill Blood Raiders Alliance
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Posted - 2006.11.05 19:03:00 -
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I think it's about time it was levelled out tbh, and I'd rather it be like this than you having to waste time and / or isk to have instas.
I know how it will affect things - but the clever people already insta through camps anyway.
A few things some people seem to have overlooked in this are the following:
* Hp boost means that smaller ships are more easily able to sit near the gates, which means locking people jumping in quicker. * Stab nerf * It does stop the desire to sit a long way off of the gates, and actually get close and personal when fighting. * Probing is much easier in Kali, which means you can take advantage of that.
The only other problem I see with it is that small ships in empire are now god-like, whereas now you still can catch even an mwd'ing inty.
Oh amd another thing that I haven't seen mentioned is that auto-piloting still warps you in at 15km.
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DarknessInc
Minmatar Metalworks THE INTERSTELLAR FOUNDRY
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Posted - 2006.11.05 19:05:00 -
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/signed
though I am a retired pirate.
I think it should be Warp to 0km in Empire, Warp to 15km in 0.0.
Maybe warp to 5KM in 0.4, warp to 7KM in 0.3 warp to 10km in 0.2 and warp to 12KM in 0.1 and warp to 15km in 0.0
O.o could be explained through the backstory of Empire gates being more precise and easier to warp into while low sec are more...unstable and the ships force that distance. <.<
This would allow pirates to hunt in lowsec and 0.0 unhindered and allow those in Empire to reap the benefits of this new change ___________________ I love you -Cortes I love him more -Suvetar I love him the most -Oveur Back off he's mine. All Mine --Eris
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Pete Stalker
0utbreak
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Posted - 2006.11.05 19:14:00 -
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Originally by: DarknessInc Maybe warp to 5KM in 0.4, warp to 7KM in 0.3 warp to 10km in 0.2 and warp to 12KM in 0.1 and warp to 15km in 0.0
What would it change? 1k less BMs?
There is no buisness like Pete's buisness. |
XFinanX
Amarr The Afterlife
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Posted - 2006.11.05 19:14:00 -
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I am hoping with the added warp to 0km, they will allow Bubbles and dictors to be used in lowsec as well. rawr |
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Zephirz
Minmatar
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Posted - 2006.11.05 19:19:00 -
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/signed...
I personally havent copied any bookmarks for the last 3 new regions i moved into. Currently i live in Stain and im doing just fine without Bms even tho my pc regularly freezes up for 1-5min periods due to a lack of RAM I havent been killed at a gate yet.
They should remove all bms in a 150km sphere around gates. and dont allow any new ones.
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X ChaosX
Panzershrek Blood Raiders Alliance
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Posted - 2006.11.05 19:31:00 -
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[Combat]Your Nerf-Bat perfectly strikes the majority of low-sec non-consensual PvP, wrecking for -killing damage.
There are so little targets in belts compared to what you find at a gate, and how many people rat in low sec with tech 2 or high value items sitting in their cargo? You can get lucky of someone bringing something expensive through low sec past a gate, but now it will be almost impossible to catch them unless they are kind enough to warp to a planet for you. ___
Originally by: Bill Shankly i see your another one of those lousy pirates that cant fight fair and call yourself apvper, what a joke u are.
Don't represent corp or alliance blah blah |
Mathra
mUfFiN fAcToRy Pirate Coalition
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Posted - 2006.11.05 19:34:00 -
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Here's an idea:
How's about you only make "high-sec" systems 0km systems. That way there'll be less lag and the noobs can happily run about doing their highsec missions. You could also make low-sec warp-in-range a bit shorter, I don't care, I insta-pop stuff, but making if it's made 0km you either have to allow warp inhibitor bubbles in low-sec or you'll kill quite a lot of pirate activity, which'll be disastrous for the economy (just think of all the isk that won't get destroyed! ).
But seriously, 0km warp-in? Have you REALLY thought this trough?
Just my two cents.
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Mark Foley
CURSED LEGION OF DOOM Pirate Coalition
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Posted - 2006.11.05 19:35:00 -
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(to tiller's original post) /signed
warp to 0km is ... i cant even think of a way to describe it, that wont get me banned atleast. i dont care if ppl have instas, atleast they worked for them in sum way. now any n00b or bear can just waltz thro lowsec in a fast ship and could never be caught. Ridiculous.
-Mark Foley-
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Vorce
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Posted - 2006.11.05 19:55:00 -
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Originally by: Cadela Fria I say, don't worry so much about it. We're pirates..we'll adapt and just find an alternative that works just as well. Atleast thats my take on it.
I think and hope you're right.
Wasn't this game suppose to be a "PVP" game? So if piracy, or what ever aspect of PvP, goes away, don't you think CCP would work something out?
Try it out for a month or two and then let your voice be heard.
We are no longer human beings! We are consumers, completely unable to adapt! And this will be our downfall!
Just my 0.02 isk
Unlike most people playing this game, I can tell the differance between a Retribution and a Vengeance. |
tiller
Beer and Kebabs Pirate Coalition
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Posted - 2006.11.05 19:57:00 -
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Edited by: tiller on 05/11/2006 20:03:21
Originally by: DarknessInc /signed
though I am a retired pirate.
I think it should be Warp to 0km in Empire, Warp to 15km in 0.0.
Maybe warp to 5KM in 0.4, warp to 7KM in 0.3 warp to 10km in 0.2 and warp to 12KM in 0.1 and warp to 15km in 0.0
O.o could be explained through the backstory of Empire gates being more precise and easier to warp into while low sec are more...unstable and the ships force that distance. <.<
This would allow pirates to hunt in lowsec and 0.0 unhindered and allow those in Empire to reap the benefits of this new change
BEST idea ever. Lower sec you go the harder to travel without fitting for travel.
BMs gone, lag gone, risk increasing with decreasing sec. Problem solved. Only downside is empire war guys will still have a hard time.
edit: ...on 2nd thoughts 0.0 would be pretty tough to move about in, but then again, maybe it should be.
Click me for Pirate Coalition Website of Gankage |
Condemed
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Posted - 2006.11.05 20:05:00 -
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I totally agree aswell, Piracy is a roleplay side of the game, but it prob all comes down to ccp's profit. Include wart to 0km anywhere and new people will join because its not such a risky game anymore, But also the pirates will start to leave the game because of this. This will carry on pirates leave the game new players join... over and voer you see where this is going?, sooner or later piracy will be completley removed from the game. Then so will anti piracy and well all be goodie goodies who mind our own business and dont engage each other unless were in 0.0. It will kill most of the fun
There wont be a risk anywhere in low sec anymore cus we cant even deploy warp bubbles in low sec, Restriciton of movement will be compeltley removed from the game, chasin people around a system will be completley removed from the game, gate campin will be completley removed from the game, it'll just be too safe anywhere tbh
Reallly bad idea
/signed
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Gen Kumon
Caldari Pirates of Destruction Union Pirate Coalition
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Posted - 2006.11.05 20:15:00 -
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This is going to screw me over for sure. I don't snipe, and I usually don't even camp. I belt pirate, but I usually do it solo. When I warp in on someone, they usually warp off before I can reach them. What I do, is I warp to the same place they're going and usually catch them heading for a station or gate...which is now impossible. Unless at the very start I manage to scram them, they'll be more or less impossible to catch at all.
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Famine Aligher'ri
V i L e
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Posted - 2006.11.05 20:25:00 -
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Originally by: Fred Lowe What I would like to see would be the ability to drop interdiction spheres in low sec (even if we take a sec hit for it). If we can do that, I can live with the warp to 0km philosophy.
Spheres kills pvp. It only forces people to gank.
Vile - Recruiting Pirates |
Skywalker
Minmatar MAFIA Pirate Coalition
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Posted - 2006.11.05 20:31:00 -
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I have been playing this game for 3 and a half year, and i choosed the profession "Pirate". If those changes get real, then the profession "pirate" will cease to exist. A pirate is an outlaw in my eyes, and there will be no outlaws if all pirate activities take place in 0.0 space.
Pirate Coalition with over 500 members totally say NO to this change. If the changes are done, then we will have to move to 0.0 space and act like any other alliance out there.
- There is one option though, if you allow 0km jump option, then also allow Bubbles and interdictors in low sec empire space.
- SAY NO to "0km warping"
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