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Vampire Lord	Posted - 2006.11.06 18:40:00 - [181] Edited by: Vampire Lord on 06/11/2006 18:45:17 I'm about 0-Km from playing WOW. This is somethin huge.. This is not just some nurf. This is the change of eve as a game. What's the point of being a pirate. What's the point if they can just insta warp an travel as they see fit. The only hope for pvp is in 0.0 space. Or War. Eve is about PvP.. not PVnoob.. slang for (Noobs must survive). Who wants to try so hard to find PvP. Man this hurts me bad. The joy of EvE will grow with the new guys an the vets will slowly fade. People can be mary an happy an fly safely at .4 system gates. Hey lets all be mary an happy an hug each other in .4 to .1 systems. Hey if your gona do this then you might as well let people war dec starter corps to even out the balance of crap. OMFG don't do this CCP. If you want systems to be safe for the noobs make them all .5 systems an above(Or more of them). .4 system are suppose to be not safe but you can make more isk. Care bears can hide in .5 an above an not worry about dying. If I had hair I would pull it till I looked like Don King. He must be behind this crazy ness. Ok I'm gong on an on.. But CCP When it comes down to it.. Eve was the only game that you can Say I'm a Vet. Meaning you young bucks step down or be destroyed. The strong & smart survive an the weak must gather together to fight or die(Most likey dying anyway). Don't listen to care bears who cry about ways not to die. Tell them to go Play another MMO that alloys them to play for 2-3 weeks an become the highest lvl. Another good point. lol why even add sentry guns. well I guess you can just warp bubble up the gates an let goons die trying to get back to the gate.. that's boring though. I know i'm not stating much possitive things right now but this is just low. I'm one step away from playing WOW(But I'm just one guy so who cares right). PS: I'm not even a Empire Pirate. But.. but.. ****.. I want to kill people that don't want to die. Its what keeps people in check an scared to come into .4 an below. Keeps people honest. Allow younger players to mold with older one so they can show them the ropes. What's the ponit of have MWD if you can just warp to the gate at 0km. NOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO! Don't Do it. Don't try to re-shape Eve.. It's growing nicely. Don't kill the will of the old Eve Vets. Look what happen to Star Wars... Well I guess War decing every new small noob corp will make pirates happy an get rid of the noobs that whine about T2. Then we will start saying you can't war dec.. lol or just increase war dec cost by 2000% so people stop doing it? By the Way cheers for the EW nurf... It makes since. It's the one nerf that makes since becuase you only nurfing ships that are not made for EW. An if they want to be EW then they have to lose there tank. Which makes good since. Cheers on that one. But all won't matter if people only fight when they want to becuase of the 0-km warp. Don't force fleet battles by killing pirates fun. Vamp Out!
Phelan Lore Sniggerdly	Posted - 2006.11.06 18:47:00 - [182] Originally by: tiller With limited scan res on larger ships that are capable of tanking low sec sentrys it can be VERY difficult to lock ships before they can warp. We seem to manage alright. Originally by: tiller Even so I miss maybe 80% of targets through lack of scan res. (thats 80% of the remaining targets after the removal of 50% by the warp to 0 nerf lol) But if there is more traffiic in lowsec, you will have more people to catch on the jump in. Who's to say that your number of kills will go down.
tiller Beer and Kebabs Pirate Coalition	Posted - 2006.11.06 18:51:00 - [183] Originally by: Mr Ninjaface Edited by: Mr Ninjaface on 06/11/2006 18:34:30 someone must of sent out a alliance mail in the pirate coalition instructing everyone of them to post on the eve-o forums whining about warp to 0. pirate coalition = whine coalition I started this thread and then asked anyone interested in alliance to air their views here, good or bad I don't care. It's nice to discuss things don't you think. Call it a whine if you like.... whatever floats your boat. btw, did you have anything worthwhile to add to the thread, or you just trolling coz I blew up your hauler once ? Click me for Pirate Coalition Website of Gankage
Mr Ninjaface Minmatar Shurekin INC	Posted - 2006.11.06 18:56:00 - [184] Edited by: Mr Ninjaface on 06/11/2006 18:57:12 Originally by: tiller Originally by: Mr Ninjaface Edited by: Mr Ninjaface on 06/11/2006 18:34:30 someone must of sent out a alliance mail in the pirate coalition instructing everyone of them to post on the eve-o forums whining about warp to 0. pirate coalition = whine coalition btw, did you have anything worthwhile to add to the thread, or you just trolling coz I blew up your hauler once ? Its OK I blew up your hauler once too. I find it interesting you guys are so worried about it to be honest. Most kills are done when someone jumps in. With the Hp increases you can tank sentries more easily especially in a group. Less people are going to be wearing stabs, and like most people said most the good stuff is carried by people who have instas. Warp to 0 = more people in low sec and more targets as far as I'm concerned. I think it would be better to whine about something that is really annoying and is a problem now. Loging out during combat/at jump in.
Ogodei Ra	Posted - 2006.11.06 19:01:00 - [185] "I want to kill people that don't want to die. Its what keeps people in check an scared to come into .4 an below." lol. Its also why you have so few targets to gank. Take your pick. Very few targets that are easy to catch, or lots of targets that are hard to catch. Arent stabs getting nerfed anyways ? That should make it easier to catch people since the ratters wont be fitting them. And I do call it ganking and not PvP when you are simply killing targets that cant fight back. Ive been a ganker in lots of games, but I never tried to brag about it being any kind of meaningful PvP. Its just amusing for me.
tiller Beer and Kebabs Pirate Coalition	Posted - 2006.11.06 19:04:00 - [186] Edited by: tiller on 06/11/2006 19:05:34 Originally by: Ogodei Ra "I want to kill people that don't want to die. Its what keeps people in check an scared to come into .4 an below." lol. Its also why you have so few targets to gank. Take your pick. Very few targets that are easy to catch, or lots of targets that are hard to catch. Arent stabs getting nerfed anyways ? That should make it easier to catch people since the ratters wont be fitting them. And I do call it ganking and not PvP when you are simply killing targets that cant fight back. Ive been a ganker in lots of games, but I never tried to brag about it being any kind of meaningful PvP. Its just amusing for me. 'warning, tiller is trying to pvp you, press Y to let him, press N to vanish' This is the future of eve as the majority of empire dwellers would like. The majority unfortunately usually gets the nod. It makes financial sense for CPP to keep them happy. More importantly I don't care 'that' much as it's just a game.. Click me for Pirate Coalition Website of Gankage
Mr Ninjaface Minmatar Shurekin INC	Posted - 2006.11.06 19:07:00 - [187] Originally by: tiller 'warning, tiller is trying to pvp you, press Y to let him, press ctrl+q to vanish' I fixed it for you
tiller Beer and Kebabs Pirate Coalition	Posted - 2006.11.06 19:17:00 - [188] Originally by: Mr Ninjaface Originally by: tiller 'warning, tiller is trying to pvp you, press Y to let him, press ctrl+q to vanish' I fixed it for you lmao Click me for Pirate Coalition Website of Gankage
Amiable Quinn Minmatar Lasleinur Production Fimbulwinter	Posted - 2006.11.06 19:43:00 - [189] In the end, hardcore non-consensual PvP tends to disappear from MMORPG's as they expand. The population of folks who enjoy this style of play is just too small to sustain the game. In addition it tends to give undue advantages to people who have been in the game for any length of time and chases new players away rather quickly. Is this good or bad? Hard to say. On the plus side more players mean more opportunities to PvP, on the negative side part of what makes EvE unique is the old-school ganking. When Eve was young, players ganking other players was not really as big a deal, as everyone was on the same or almost the same relative footing. There were no ships larger than cruisers, and even a new player could put up a fight. Fast forward 3 years and walking into low-sec is pretty much insta-death for new players. New player then leaves the game or spends the next 7 months in high sec and then leaves the game. If you do not understand why this is not only bad for the game but also bad for you, the pirate, then nothing anyone says is going to convince you. As much as it paind me to say this I have to agree with Scoundrelus on this point: warp to 0 will make pirating more skill intensive and much "better." More folks in low-sec = more opportunities. Solo piracy will be a lot more difficult, but find a friend in a Cov-ops ship and hit the mission runners and you may be suprised. Especially if the new probe/scanning system works as effectively as reported in Kali. My advice to Pirate Coalition is to lead by example, if you find the warp to 0 option unbalancing remove all of your instas near stations and gates and act as an example to the rest of the community
Lodhi Celestial Apocalypse Insurgency	Posted - 2006.11.06 20:04:00 - [190] 90% of the ppl worth killing is already using instas, thats a fact And why are you using the word pvp, though pirates were out after a quick gank and some fast cash in the wallet tbh. Sure the pvp now and then against ppl that actually try to kill you is fun, but thats not why you are a pirate is it? So what now, you wont be able to kill those new players that got nothing of value aboard as easy? Buy a couple of faction disruptors and catch ppl at the jumpin, nothing will change there. Only thing i c that will change is that pirates will need to focus more on beeing on the gate then 200km off it Nothing wrong with that, adapt or do something else i guess.
Vampire Lord	Posted - 2006.11.06 20:15:00 - [191] It's pretty simple. I don't care if your a vet or not. I want to kill people who dont' want to die. It's that simple. Vets want to win but they die. Noobs want to live but they die. I really respective eve for this. I've been promoting eve like crazy. It's the only game were a Vet is a vet. You can kill people any were. It's not like WOW an the other boring games were you have to search high an low for pvp or fight. Were you can kill someone an make them quit the game becuase they just lost a 3bil isk fitted BS. But guess what.. a few months later that person starts playing again an starts gate camping to take it our on the Eve World. This will be lost an people will hug an kiss. Eve will die. I had hopes for this game. Your trying to make a dollar an in the end those dollars will be nothin as this game folds an stops growing. Lol I wish I was on the EVE team. I wish I was there when the first guy said something about warp to the gates at 0-km. LOl now that I think about it. That also kills empire wars. How about you guys quit blaming everything on lag. You use lag as a tool to change eve. Drones/BM's. You guys are smart I know. But can't you see what's going to happen. Can't you see your takin the path of the failed MMO's. EVE is boring without pirates. becuase then the Anti pirates die out also an start building Mfships. the only real battles are gona be POS sieges. Hmm reminds me of battle grounds in WOW. What's next you get to keep some of your mods when you die. Right now I feel like the best MMO is about to die. They impose rules as a way to control us an make it better for the people who just started without going through the pain an heart ace of becoming a vet. Dying becuase you forget to use a bm. or you went into an area that you didnt have bm's. getting slowed down in systems were you don't have BM's. I dont' know man. I'll try to deal with it but eve is going down hill with this one. Alot of people are gona quit real quick. as there whole game is based off of jacking people at the gate.... lol I think i'm tired of writting about crap I can't change. I hope they wake up.. hands down. An #$%# pansy stop winning about dying. It's a part of the game KIll or Be killed. Not get killed an f-in cry about it. Hell I've killed people in my own alliance for crying about dying. That crap is lame. Don't let the lame people change the game! An don't use lag as a reason for the change. Just man up an say the real reason why if you change eve into a care bear game. Lag lag lag. I thought they were getting all these new servers.. It's all Bull
Vampire Lord	Posted - 2006.11.06 20:30:00 - [192] It's more then just PvP. It's being smart enough to get away. It's making choices becuase of certain theats. Take the long way if you don't want to get ganked in .4 systems. It's the worry of travelling in some area's that make you fly smart. It's about freedom. It's ABOUT FREEDOM. I just wish people can see that. also it's about since. If you warp right on top of a gate an fail you should get blown up from the impact. There should be some kinda risk for warping in so close. Why change somethin that has been growing so well. The risk of dying becuase you didn't fit right for travel. It's really sad. An you guys don't realize it. It's about the risk.. Freedom.. Fear.. Teamwork.. & friends. Not new 2 month old accounts crying becuase they're getting jacked. Make friends an get revenge!
xHoodx The Establishment Establishment	Posted - 2006.11.06 20:32:00 - [193] Personally I would like to see how things turn out before passing judgement on this change. For me it doesn't make all that much difference operating mostly in 0.0 space and people tend to have bookmarks for the routes they travel there anyway so you draw them to a bubble or catch them on the other side of the gate, warp to 0km won't change all that much there. Catching stuff in low sec that aligns fast will be very hard if not impossible, but then again it was very hard to catch things like frigs with mwds anyway unless you could one-volley them with a sniper that is :) Or put a smartbombing bs in their warp path near the outgoing gate (what's the range you have to be from a gate to fire a bomb these days anyway?) Doesn't seem like that huge a deal to me tho. Can still kill things before they can warp off after jumping your gate or have a better chance of stopping them from warping with the upcoming wcs nerf. At least I'd expect fewer mission runners to incorporate stabs in any of their setups with the current penalties. While I can see it nerfs some forms of pirating I doubt it will "kill off" piracy as some seem to argue. If more people venture into low sec as a result of this the number of people you catch coming out of a gate will go up and help cover the loss of the added number of people that will escape you by going the other way? Will have to wait and see how it turns out I guess :)
Locarna Lustram	Posted - 2006.11.06 20:33:00 - [194] Originally by: Vampire Lord It's pretty simple...It's all Bull Whatever your point was, it'd be a lot easier to read with paragraphs... I've been playing EVE less than 2 months, and it's "live or die by your own mistakes" aspect is a major plus for me. Obviously with my mighty 1.3M SP (Mostly in learning, electronics, navigation & engineering!) there's no way in hell I'd willingly get within 3 systems of most of the people who post in this folder (and yes this is an alt BTW). I don't want to get killed. I do want to play in a game where stupid mistakes get you killed. I might quite fancy being a pirate sooner or later, but this 0Km jump thing won't put me off. In fact it will encourage me, from what I can tell.
Aypse Sanguine Legion Pirate Coalition	Posted - 2006.11.06 20:35:00 - [195] Originally by: Amiable Quinn My advice to Pirate Coalition is to lead by example, if you find the warp to 0 option unbalancing remove all of your instas near stations and gates and act as an example to the rest of the community That solves neither the possible lag problem caused BMs nor the great reduction in risk caused by the warp to 0km. This is a discussion about the possible effects if this was implimented on everyone in lowsec, not just PC. As far as your point that new players can't get into lowsec: I first started pirating, solo, at 10days old. I battled it out, and yeah, even lost a few ships to bigger, tougher pirates at gate camps. Its EASY to survive in lowsec with few SPs. Its not the age of the character, its the experience of the person behind it. A noob can easily jump into low sec, learn some lessons, and survive quite nicely in low sec. Low sec is VERY far from insta-death upon entering. In case there are noobs reading this who do think its instadeath: First step-use the map tools. You can identify most gate camps before ever even entering the system. Frigate, nanofibers in lows, MWD and shield extenders in mid. This setup is almost guaranteed to get you where you need to go. It is possible to get ganked, but with a nice fast frig, its unlikely. #1 rule-don't fly anything you can't afford to lose. The only thing our little noob ^^is scared of is SBing setups (rare) and snipers with 0 transversal sniping points (our noob still has a good chance to MWD to the gate before being locked). If you impliment warp to 0, he has nothing to fear at all. He can come and go between gates, stations, belts, complexes, and pretty much anything else with impunity. Congrats noob, you have conquered low sec with half a weeks worth of training to get the above mods.
Vantras Amarr Border Defense Consortium Curatores Veritatis Alliance	Posted - 2006.11.06 20:49:00 - [196] For non gate gankers this has to be one of the most entertaining threads in years! Seems to me that catching folks on the otherside of the gate is far more interesting and sporting then sitting 200km off the gate and popping slow boated haulers. Sure it places your tacklers at a bit of risk...might even lose a few to gate guns etc...but...isnt that what the game is supposed to be about? I know when we hunt pirates we are more then ready to send in a heavy tackler on both sides of the gate to tackle the bad guy, or even to sacrafice an inty or two to land the tackle pending the heavy guns/heavy tacklers arriving. Not sure we EVER count on killing a bad guy that is slow boating to the gate. If this goes thru it kills off one major tactic for piracy and thats ganking players that dont have instas with long range sniper or gate gank setups. Imho thats a good thing! The sky is falling posts are amusing in the grandest way! Vantras
Moostang Gallente Celestial Horizon Corp. Ascendant Frontier	Posted - 2006.11.06 20:56:00 - [197] Hello tiller, long time no see. It must be very hard on you to know that the ignorant and newbie players are no longer going to be as easy for you to kill. I say ignorant and newbie players because those are the only two types of players that do not use Insta's. I have seen many newer players not last the trial period because they ignorantly wondered into .4 and lower and were killed by griefers like you. The warp to 0 will not just hurt prats, it will hurt consentual pvp as well. However, I would much rather get rid of these lagfest and annoying bm's AND have a warp to 0 option. I honestly think this should be done by means of a high rank skill so it takes along time to get to lvl 4 and 5. I have participated in non-consentual pvp in other games and even a bit in eve but there is hardly even a rush involved in killing helpless newbies. However, if you would get off your lazy prat arse and participate in real pvp, I think you'd find it to be a greater rush and alot more rewarding. [CLS] Moostang Celestial Horizon "G" Spot Division Ascendant Frontier
Scoundrelus Finite Horizon The Red Skull	Posted - 2006.11.06 21:14:00 - [198] Originally by: Lanfear's Bane Originally by: Queen Hades Stuff. Well tiller doesn't snipe for a start. No, he's worse then that. He camps with stabs! More Stabs! Stabs Galore! =============================================== We are Watching You.
tiller Beer and Kebabs Pirate Coalition	Posted - 2006.11.06 21:20:00 - [199] Originally by: Scoundrelus Originally by: Lanfear's Bane Originally by: Queen Hades Stuff. Well tiller doesn't snipe for a start. No, he's worse then that. He camps with stabs! More Stabs! Stabs Galore! Fool, I've been camping for the last 3 days in a 5 stab raven. So what... Click me for Pirate Coalition Website of Gankage
Scoundrelus Finite Horizon The Red Skull	Posted - 2006.11.06 21:24:00 - [200] Originally by: tiller Originally by: Scoundrelus Originally by: Lanfear's Bane Originally by: Queen Hades Stuff. Well tiller doesn't snipe for a start. No, he's worse then that. He camps with stabs! More Stabs! Stabs Galore! Fool, I've been camping for the last 3 days in a 5 stab raven. So what... And you see fit to speak on behalf of all pirates and tell everyone what REAL pvp is? =============================================== We are Watching You.
tiller Beer and Kebabs Pirate Coalition	Posted - 2006.11.06 21:28:00 - [201] Edited by: tiller on 06/11/2006 21:29:51 Originally by: Scoundrelus Originally by: tiller Originally by: Scoundrelus Originally by: Lanfear's Bane Originally by: Queen Hades Stuff. Well tiller doesn't snipe for a start. No, he's worse then that. He camps with stabs! More Stabs! Stabs Galore! Fool, I've been camping for the last 3 days in a 5 stab raven. So what... And you see fit to speak on behalf of all pirates and tell everyone what REAL pvp is? This is way off topic. I fit what I feel is right for a given situation and gives me a edge in the type of PVP I'm performing. At the moment I'm targeting only haulers solo in alliance space that responds to gate campers in less than 15mins. Without them I would of lost 5 ravens alone last night. Job well done, mission accomplished. edit: maybe once and for all someone can explain the holy grail that is REAL PVP Click me for Pirate Coalition Website of Gankage
Scoundrelus Finite Horizon The Red Skull	Posted - 2006.11.06 21:35:00 - [202] Edited by: Scoundrelus on 06/11/2006 21:37:33 Originally by: tiller Edited by: tiller on 06/11/2006 21:28:41 Originally by: Scoundrelus Originally by: tiller Originally by: Scoundrelus Originally by: Lanfear's Bane Originally by: Queen Hades Stuff. Well tiller doesn't snipe for a start. No, he's worse then that. He camps with stabs! More Stabs! Stabs Galore! Fool, I've been camping for the last 3 days in a 5 stab raven. So what... And you see fit to speak on behalf of all pirates and tell everyone what REAL pvp is? This is way off topic. I fit what I feel is right for a given situation and gives me a edge in the type of PVP I'm performing. At the moment I'm targeting only haulers solo in alliance space that responds to gate campers in less than 15mins. Without them I would of lost 5 ravens alone last night. Job well done, mission accomplished. Well you seem to be against anything that gives your victims an edge. Kind of selfish don't you think? Start thinking of the bigger picture rather then just yourself. With Warp to 0km: -Less gatecamps which means more people going into low sec -No more instas which means less lag -Less fear seeing as how everyone then has "instas" -Faster travel -No more copying BMs (ugh) Gatecamping in itself is lame, but doing it with 5 stabs moreso makes it the Invincible Profession. Don't complain just because it just got a whole lot harder. You mentioned that you don't want to hear people saying "adapt or die" since thats what pirates have been doing for 3 years... well frankly get used to it, because thats what we will KEEP doing. You choose to be stubborn and not adapt well then get left behind. Trials like these are what seperate the REAL pirates from the wannabes. EDIT: and an explanation of REAL PvP is simply in the name. Player vs Player. Any occasion where 2 players go head to head, whether a gank or not is PvP. Whether there are stabs involved or not. Which is why I'm so adverse to you saying "this will kill PvP" since PvP will always exist in EVE. =============================================== We are Watching You.
PCaBoo Caldari Newbies On Xstacy Pirate Coalition	Posted - 2006.11.06 21:41:00 - [203] Sigh... Once again the thread drifts off into oblivion. Stick to the topic and away from personal grudges with others and their playing style. I'd also like to remind you to think about what PvP stands for. Say it out loud a few times, let the words soak in. P - Player, V - versus, P - Player. There are no hidden letters that signify that any of this has to be fair or 1v1. It may not be your cup of tea, but some of us do it for a living. We don't like the way you *****roids, but we sit back and say have fun.
Soumk	Posted - 2006.11.06 21:46:00 - [204] Warp to 0km is bad because it makes all the pirates cry! Save a pirate! Explode today!
Scoundrelus Finite Horizon The Red Skull	Posted - 2006.11.06 21:48:00 - [205] Originally by: PCaBoo I'd also like to remind you to think about what PvP stands for. Say it out loud a few times, let the words soak in. P - Player, V - versus, P - Player. There are no hidden letters that signify that any of this has to be fair or 1v1. Originally by: Scoundrelus and an explanation of REAL PvP is simply in the name. Player vs Player. Any occasion where 2 players go head to head, whether a gank or not is PvP. Whether there are stabs involved or not. Which is why I'm so adverse to you saying "this will kill PvP" since PvP will always exist in EVE. Wheres the argument? =============================================== We are Watching You.
tiller Beer and Kebabs Pirate Coalition	Posted - 2006.11.06 21:50:00 - [206] Originally by: Scoundrelus Originally by: PCaBoo I'd also like to remind you to think about what PvP stands for. Say it out loud a few times, let the words soak in. P - Player, V - versus, P - Player. There are no hidden letters that signify that any of this has to be fair or 1v1. Originally by: Scoundrelus and an explanation of REAL PvP is simply in the name. Player vs Player. Any occasion where 2 players go head to head, whether a gank or not is PvP. Whether there are stabs involved or not. Which is why I'm so adverse to you saying "this will kill PvP" since PvP will always exist in EVE. Wheres the argument? There isn't one, this isn't a thread to have a argument. Please go look elsewhere. Thanks Click me for Pirate Coalition Website of Gankage
Beringe Raptus Regaliter	Posted - 2006.11.06 21:51:00 - [207] It is really telling that this whine seems to come prepackaged from a single "pirate" alliance. Jeeze, are those 10% of the population that don't have the sense to use instas really that valuable to you? Camp the freakin' jump-in. That's all we ever did in Syndicate before we got spheres. That's the only way I've been caught (before spheres) in the past two years of EVE. ------------------------------------------- "Never underestimate the power of language." --Daitan Beringe, honorary director in charge of bottles--
Scoundrelus Finite Horizon The Red Skull	Posted - 2006.11.06 21:54:00 - [208] Originally by: tiller Originally by: Scoundrelus Originally by: PCaBoo I'd also like to remind you to think about what PvP stands for. Say it out loud a few times, let the words soak in. P - Player, V - versus, P - Player. There are no hidden letters that signify that any of this has to be fair or 1v1. Originally by: Scoundrelus and an explanation of REAL PvP is simply in the name. Player vs Player. Any occasion where 2 players go head to head, whether a gank or not is PvP. Whether there are stabs involved or not. Which is why I'm so adverse to you saying "this will kill PvP" since PvP will always exist in EVE. Wheres the argument? There isn't one, this isn't a thread to have a argument. Please go look elsewhere. Thanks Totally agree, this isn't a thread to have an argument. This is a "Everyone should agree with me" thread. Too bad it's not turning out like you expected. So sorry. =============================================== We are Watching You.
eve warrior Minmatar Serial Killers	Posted - 2006.11.06 21:57:00 - [209] If this comes onto the main server it will really screw low sec piracy. its bad enuf that you can see corp standings of ppl in local, but then to go and give a 0 warp in point is rediculous. Even as a red flasher i would rather have warp in to 15km if they are going to remove bookmarks instead of the BS about having a 0km warp in. Signed Eve Warrior
PCaBoo Caldari Newbies On Xstacy Pirate Coalition	Posted - 2006.11.06 21:58:00 - [210] Originally by: Scoundrelus Originally by: tiller Originally by: Scoundrelus Originally by: PCaBoo I'd also like to remind you to think about what PvP stands for. Say it out loud a few times, let the words soak in. P - Player, V - versus, P - Player. There are no hidden letters that signify that any of this has to be fair or 1v1. Originally by: Scoundrelus and an explanation of REAL PvP is simply in the name. Player vs Player. Any occasion where 2 players go head to head, whether a gank or not is PvP. Whether there are stabs involved or not. Which is why I'm so adverse to you saying "this will kill PvP" since PvP will always exist in EVE. Wheres the argument? There isn't one, this isn't a thread to have a argument. Please go look elsewhere. Thanks Totally agree, this isn't a thread to have an argument. This is a "Everyone should agree with me" thread. Too bad it's not turning out like you expected. So sorry. go troll somewhere else

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