Originally by: Altai Saker

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I disagree, I think those things were removed long ago, I haven't fought an actual target (read non noob) in over a year that didn't have a full set of insta's for their region including stations (as I'm guessing you do). All this does is level the playing field for newer members of the game and reduce lag.

That being said I do agree that instadocks are pretty much impossible to counter especially given the large size of stations these days.

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Originally by: Pestillence

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Originally by: Altai Saker

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I disagree, I think those things were removed long ago, I haven't fought an actual target (read non noob) in over a year that didn't have a full set of insta's for their region including stations (as I'm guessing you do). All this does is level the playing field for newer members of the game and reduce lag.

That being said I do agree that instadocks are pretty much impossible to counter especially given the large size of stations these days.

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QFT

It's apparent all the "signed" posts are coming from people whose chosen form of pvp is having noobs warp into them at 15km in defenseless ships

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Originally by: Pestillence

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Originally by: Altai Saker

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I disagree, I think those things were removed long ago, I haven't fought an actual target (read non noob) in over a year that didn't have a full set of insta's for their region including stations (as I'm guessing you do). All this does is level the playing field for newer members of the game and reduce lag.

That being said I do agree that instadocks are pretty much impossible to counter especially given the large size of stations these days.

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QFT

It's apparent all the "signed" posts are coming from people whose chosen form of pvp is having noobs warp into them at 15km in defenseless ships

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Originally by: Boris Panasku

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If things go this way i dont think ill continue to pay for playing this game. What the hell do they want to nerft pvp on EVE??? this is what its all about.


signed

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Originally by: Dehok

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Originally by: Pestillence

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Originally by: Altai Saker

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I disagree, I think those things were removed long ago, I haven't fought an actual target (read non noob) in over a year that didn't have a full set of insta's for their region including stations (as I'm guessing you do). All this does is level the playing field for newer members of the game and reduce lag.

That being said I do agree that instadocks are pretty much impossible to counter especially given the large size of stations these days.

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QFT

It's apparent all the "signed" posts are coming from people whose chosen form of pvp is having noobs warp into them at 15km in defenseless ships

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Here come the bears

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Originally by: Narciss Sevar

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The vast majority have instas already or you catch them jumping in. It won't change snigg gate camps much, mabe an extra 5% will get away but probably wouldn't of been worth much anyway. And as for belt piracy, i can't really see how it changes it much.

Hopefully it will reduce my jump in lag so i can start searching for my targets quicker.

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Originally by: Pestillence

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Originally by: Dehok

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Originally by: Pestillence

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Originally by: Altai Saker

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I disagree, I think those things were removed long ago, I haven't fought an actual target (read non noob) in over a year that didn't have a full set of insta's for their region including stations (as I'm guessing you do). All this does is level the playing field for newer members of the game and reduce lag.

That being said I do agree that instadocks are pretty
much impossible to counter especially given the large size of stations these days.

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QFT

It's apparent all the "signed" posts are coming from people whose chosen form of pvp is having noobs warp into them at 15km in defenseless ships

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Here come the bears

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You know, I've probably killed more people than you who are capable, willing and able to fight back.

I dont pvp from outside sentry range aligned with a cov ops scout in the next system in case of a threat.
In fact I've come after a certain person from your corp once before with equal numbers and he docked and smacked.
Seems thats all you and yours are good for.

I live in Murethand by the way. Thats lowsec. If I'm such a carebear then why dont you move in there and come and kill me?

Fact is, the post I quoted was right. I'm glad it nerfs your play"style". Want a tissue? / Cry me a river / Boo hoo.

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Originally by: Dehok

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Touchy Touchy, i sence alot of anger in you

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Originally by: Gallant Nose

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/signed

Warp to 0km is an obsurd idea. It takes away loads of pvp scenarios. Pirating is already hard enough without it being nerfed some more. If you go in to low sec its your risk, allowing 0km warp in makes most of the concept of low sec pointless. It's meant to be dangerous, that's why it allows pirates tbh. If you want to go in to low sec you shouldnt be moaning about 15km warp in.

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Originally by: Scoundrelus

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Edited by: Scoundrelus on 05/11/2006 17:35:48
If you are that scared to engage people on planets and belts then perhaps you SHOULD go play WoW.

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Originally by: tiller

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Edited by: tiller on 05/11/2006 17:23:02

This as far as I can see is the first stage in the removal of nonconsensual PVP from eve.

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Though many will adapt to the changes, I can't help that feel this is a nerf to far. The sickening thing is that CCP did not plan for people to 'insta' travel, that was a effect bought on by bookmarks through accidental use of game mechs. Now to relieve server load CCP are going to change the very core of the gameplay.

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Originally by: LittleTerror

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Whats next, concord in lowsec, sentrys in 0.0 and jump drives on battleships?

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Originally by: DarknessInc

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Maybe warp to 5KM in 0.4, warp to 7KM in 0.3 warp to 10km in 0.2 and warp to 12KM in 0.1 and warp to 15km in 0.0

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Originally by: Bill Shankly

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i see your another one of those lousy pirates that cant fight fair and call yourself apvper, what a joke u are.

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Originally by: Cadela Fria

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I say, don't worry so much about it. We're pirates..we'll adapt and just find an alternative that works just as well. Atleast thats my take on it.

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Originally by: DarknessInc

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/signed

though I am a retired pirate.

I think it should be Warp to 0km in Empire, Warp to 15km in 0.0.

Maybe warp to 5KM in 0.4, warp to 7KM in 0.3 warp to 10km in 0.2 and warp to 12KM in 0.1 and warp to 15km in 0.0

O.o could be explained through the backstory of Empire gates being more precise and easier to warp into while low sec are more...unstable and the ships force that distance. <.<

This would allow pirates to hunt in lowsec and 0.0 unhindered and allow those in Empire to reap the benefits of this new change

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Originally by: Fred Lowe

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What I would like to see would be the ability to drop interdiction spheres in low sec (even if we take a sec hit for it). If we can do that, I can live with the warp to 0km philosophy.

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Originally by: Lucifer Fellblade

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Originally by: Scoundrelus

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Edited by: Scoundrelus on 05/11/2006 17:35:48
If you are that scared to engage people on planets and belts then perhaps you SHOULD go play WoW.

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I think I lost several years off my life reading that. Seriously, it's harder and more dangerous to engage people at gates by like 10 times. If people ever actually went to belts when there was a Pirate in system, who weren't noobs or being bait, then your point might make sense.

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Originally by: Plaetean

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It's going to make our jobs a lot harder, a lot harder. Travelling through low sec will be so much safer, insta to stations or gates any time you see anything remotely threatening (which in itself will eliminate the whole point of 'low' security).

IMO it's a bit of a cop out to the problem of bookmarks.

Will make travelling through high sec a hell of a lot easier though

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Originally by: Scoundrelus

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Edited by: Scoundrelus on 05/11/2006 20:57:31

It's harder and more dangerous? Are you absurd? When you are solo camping a gate at close range then yes there is a lot of risk and it is difficult. However that is uncommon. You will mostly see a large mass of ships at close range or at long range. Your experience in EVE PvP is obviously very limited for you to actually think that large gatecamping blobs are risky to be in. Maybe you should try solo belt pirating and jumping in on a belt and killing twice your number?

"If people ever actually went to belts when there was a Pirate in system, who weren't noobs or being bait, then your point might make sense."

I have done nothing but belt piracy in all my time in EVE and I have over 2000 kills to show for it. Guess my point makes sense after all.

Frankly if all the gatecampers just quit or stopped camping then EVE would be a much better place. Perhaps this change will force all the unskilled gatecampers to actually go out into the systems they camp and hunt.

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Originally by: Arkanor

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0.0 is the Final Frontier. Bring money and friends.

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Originally by: Benglada

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We need like a warp to 0km, but with a 20% chance you will end up 15-30km from the gate.

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Originally by: tiller

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This thread is not to discuss 'noobs' and their inability to defend themselves in dangerous space after being given a warning about jumping in.
Thanks

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Originally by: Shamis Orzoz

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Warp to zero changes very little. 90% of the people who carry anything valuable HAVE INSTA's.

All real piracy is done from the JUMP IN. This will not change that.

Shamis

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Originally by: Shamis Orzoz

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Warp to zero changes very little. 90% of the people who carry anything valuable HAVE INSTA's.

All real piracy is done from the JUMP IN. This will not change that.

Shamis

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Originally by: tiller

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Edited by: tiller on 05/11/2006 20:03:21

Originally by: DarknessInc

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/signed

though I am a retired pirate.

I think it should be Warp to 0km in Empire, Warp to 15km in 0.0.

Maybe warp to 5KM in 0.4, warp to 7KM in 0.3 warp to 10km in 0.2 and warp to 12KM in 0.1 and warp to 15km in 0.0

O.o could be explained through the backstory of Empire gates being more precise and easier to warp into while low sec are more...unstable and the ships force that distance. <.<

This would allow pirates to hunt in lowsec and 0.0 unhindered and allow those in Empire to reap the benefits of this new change

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BEST idea ever. Lower sec you go the harder to travel without fitting for travel.

BMs gone, lag gone, risk increasing with decreasing sec. Problem solved. Only downside is empire war guys will still have a hard time.

edit: ...on 2nd thoughts 0.0 would be pretty tough to move about in, but then again, maybe it should be.

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Originally by: Skywalker

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There is one option though, if you allow 0km jump option, then also allow Bubbles and interdictors in low sec empire space.

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Originally by: Vim

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Edited by: Vim on 06/11/2006 01:55:44
Warp to 0 km, check. No more instas *phew*
Stabs nerfed, check. Yarr...

So whats the fun of sniping noobs/lazy people 150km away again? There will still be noobs/lazy people using autopilot, thoose are the ones your most probably killing off anyhow. Now thats a real challenge.

/me continues scanning belts and finding targets instead of noobs.

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Originally by: Shamis Orzoz

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Warp to zero changes very little. 90% of the people who carry anything valuable HAVE INSTA's.

All real piracy is done from the JUMP IN. This will not change that.

Shamis

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Originally by: Narciss Sevar

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The vast majority have instas already or you catch them jumping in. It won't change snigg gate camps much, mabe an extra 5% will get away but probably wouldn't of been worth much anyway. And as for belt piracy, i can't really see how it changes it much.

Hopefully it will reduce my jump in lag so i can start searching for my targets quicker.

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Originally by: tiller

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Edited by: tiller on 05/11/2006 17:23:02
though sounding trivial rips the PVP heart right out of eve and everything the PVP side of the game has ever meant.

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Originally by: Kye Kenshin

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When the hell has Sniping 200km of gate been the "heart" of PVP.

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I think you and the Pirate Coalition have spent too long staring at the gate jump animation...

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As for warping at 0m or 15km, I don't really care as long as they remove lag causing instas.

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Funny how actual pirate corps like Snigg and Finite horizon seem unaffected by the proposed changes.

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Originally by: Shamis Orzoz

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Warp to zero changes very little. 90% of the people who carry anything valuable HAVE INSTA's.

All real piracy is done from the JUMP IN. This will not change that.

Shamis

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Originally by: Phelan Lore

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Originally by: Shamis Orzoz

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Warp to zero changes very little. 90% of the people who carry anything valuable HAVE INSTA's.

All real piracy is done from the JUMP IN. This will not change that.

Shamis

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Not only that, but warp to 0 will bring many more people to lowsec and 0.0 providing more opportunities for PvP. Lowsec and 0.0 will no longer be this giant scary barrier for newer players.

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Originally by: Lucifer Fellblade

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I never said anything about 'blob' camping.

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Originally by: Lucifer Fellblade

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Your point that you killed 2000 people doesn't disprove the fact that 99% of people at belts are noobs these days, it might have been different, but now thats the way it is.

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Originally by: Lucifer Fellblade

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Just because you don't like a way of playing EVE, doesn't mean it should be denied, I don't like mining, how about we remove all asteroids from everywhere except 0.0?

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Originally by: Lucifer Fellblade

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It doesn't work like that, gate camping is a valid way of fighting and always was meant to be, calling people 'scared' and 'unskilled' is just trolling.

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Originally by: Shin Ra

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NOT signed.

The only people you won't be able to kill are those semi-noobs paying attention, not autopiloting and who didn't have instas before. I think its a small price to pay for the massive reduction in lag this will solve. If you consider PVP sitting 150k+ off a gate for hours and sniping people without instas or on autopilot, you need to look at what your doing.

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Originally by: Shin Ra

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NOT signed.

The only people you won't be able to kill are those semi-noobs paying attention, not autopiloting and who didn't have instas before. I think its a small price to pay for the massive reduction in lag this will solve. If you consider PVP sitting 150k+ off a gate for hours and sniping people without instas or on autopilot, you need to look at what your doing.

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Originally by: Rooker

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In several recent threads, pirates have suggested dozens of ways to get people into lowsec, because the economy there is in ruins. Pirates have been so effective at blockading the entrance to lowsec that nobody in their right minds will carry merchandise there. Personally, I found that to be highly amusing.

Assuming this makes it to TQ, CCP just reopened the door to lowsec. I'll be making more lowsec trips myself if I don't have to run a gauntlet of sniping stabathrons at every gate. I want those high bounty rats and I doubt I'm the only one.

There will be more people in lowsec ratting. More targets.

There will be more people in lowsec traveling. More targets.

There will (probably) be more people in lowsec running missions. More targets.

Most importantly (for pirates), people might actually start selling things in low sec, so you can give your hauler alts a vacation.

I'm sure it's rough on the lawnchair stabathron crowd, but your little minority was disrupting the entire game and even the server performance for the rest of us. This is the best thing CCP could have done.

/NOT SIGNED

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Originally by: Mathias Orsen

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seems this post has been doing good at getting signed by all the lamers that call, gate camping in gangs of 4+ BS and ganking all the passers by, "PVP". Jammers and gank squads that only attack things that they outnumber 4 to 1 are the things that killed PVP.

The sad part is that, for most pvp'ers, WCS nerf is gonna be the biggest killer to PVP. Countless Pirates in EVE will have thier WCSs nerfed and start asking themselves... "Uhh what do I do now?"

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Originally by: PCaBoo

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You claim that sniping is lame, yet you belt pirate. Going after players ratting and mining is ok? Try looking in the dictionary for the word hypocrit. You may find a photo of yourself.

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Originally by: PCaBoo

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Not everyone has bm's to every region in eve. I only have a few. You people ***** too much about pirating. It's a part of the game. I'm willing to bet half the people who are posting crap that pirates are scum or whatever have been waxed approaching a gate. Which of course can't be possible since everyone has instas anyway. -.-
Get the stick out of ur arse and look at it from our POV.

Also, why PC has the most signed? Because we're a dedicated Pirate Alliance. Are you all that retarded? This affects everyone in our alliance. You don't think you'd be *****ing if they took out concord in hi-sec? You victims sure are bitter. blah blah blah blah.

/begin flame

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Originally by: tiller

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Edited by: tiller on 06/11/2006 06:31:36

I think those that say they this won't reduce PVP opportunity in eve have not thought it through...

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Originally by: tiller

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Edited by: tiller on 06/11/2006 06:31:36
I myself totally support CCP in scrapping BMs to improve the server database latency, but [warp to 0km] is not the right solution...

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Originally by: tiller

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Edited by: tiller on 06/11/2006 06:31:36
if this goes through you will be quite shocked at how limited PVP will become I can guarantee.

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Originally by: Hobbledehoy

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Edited by: Hobbledehoy on 06/11/2006 06:49:41

Originally by: tiller

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Edited by: tiller on 06/11/2006 06:31:36

I think those that say they this won't reduce PVP opportunity in eve have not thought it through...

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I agree it will reduce pvp opportunity... for empire pirates, that's pretty much it. For the majority of pvpers (0.0 pvpers) it will not affect pvp. But this situation is an opportunity to improve the pvp to make it more like empire pirating pvp (where most people don't have bookmarks). In 0.0 it's the other way around -- probably 1% don't have bookmarks.

Originally by: tiller

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Edited by: tiller on 06/11/2006 06:31:36
I myself totally support CCP in scrapping BMs to improve the server database latency, but [warp to 0km] is not the right solution...

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I agree with you here

Originally by: tiller

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Edited by: tiller on 06/11/2006 06:31:36
if this goes through you will be quite shocked at how limited PVP will become I can guarantee.

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you mean pvp oportunities will be similar to 0.0? Go take a trip to Tribute, Fade, Deklein, & I'll be shocked if you find even 1 person without instas all night..

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Originally by: tiller

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Edited by: tiller on 06/11/2006 06:31:36

A few points worth mentioning..

Many of you here have said this is just a whine by a gate camper, but in reality it goes much deeper. Lets face it, in eve the majority of PVP at any level takes place at gates, changing this in any way (and you can't argue that this is not a major change) will change the game in a huge way.

I think those that say they this won't reduce PVP opportunity in eve have not thought it through. Not everyone uses instas, I'd guess under 30%. If you'd like me to count how many insta users out of 100 pilots in low sec I'll count tonight :-)

Quick example of post Kali PVP.

'xxx targets in local, lets try to kill them'

'whats the point, they'll just leave or dock'


I myself totally support CCP in scrapping BMs to improve the server database latency, but this is not the right solution. The two solutions that get my approval are -

1. Variable 'warp to' distance depending on sec level of system

or

2. Warp to 0km but with removal of the stacking nerf of both sensors and remote sensors.


Alot of PC guys have replied to this thread as I asked them to come to the forums and share their thoughts and get some ideas together.

One last point, don't shout 'adapt' when it's all pirates have been doing for the last 3 years... tbh we are slowly running out of ideas and if this goes through you will be quite shocked at how limited PVP will become I can guarantee.

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Originally by: tiller

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.. but in reality it goes much deeper. Lets face it, in eve the majority of PVP at any level takes place at gates ..

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Originally by: Kuolematon

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Edited by: Kuolematon on 06/11/2006 07:55:35

Originally by: tiller

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.. but in reality it goes much deeper. Lets face it, in eve the majority of PVP at any level takes place at gates ..

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.. in reality, it's YOUR style where MAJORITY of YOUR PvP experience takes place around gates.

I'm new to "PvP" business in EMPIRE and yet I find that 99% of my battles are around stations and planets and 'plexes. Only FEW times around gates and EACH time enemy had instas.

I do suggest that perhaps make it "Jump to 5km" for GATES and keep it 15km to rest.

I think your doing something wrong.

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Originally by: Queen Hades

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@tiller

2 questions:

1. Can I have your stuff?
2. Does that mean that Egghelende and Ammamake are open to the public again with Kali?

Have fun in WoW.

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Originally by: tiller

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Originally by: Queen Hades

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@tiller

2 questions:

1. Can I have your stuff?
2. Does that mean that Egghelende and Ammamake are open to the public again with Kali?

Have fun in WoW.

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1. Yes, come and get it

2. No, I'll just find another way to kill you

btw WOW can be fun. Those endless hours standing on alli town roofs fireballing noobs.

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Originally by: Luke Pubcrawler

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Pirates gained the stab nerf, making camping the destination end or catching targets in belts or missions easier. Also scanning now looks more efficient.

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Originally by: Queen Hades

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Originally by: Luke Pubcrawler

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Pirates gained the stab nerf, making camping the destination end or catching targets in belts or missions easier. Also scanning now looks more efficient.

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Thats not entirely true. I guess it is the bullies / griefers ("pirates") who suffer most from the stab nerf. And gate snipers are vulnerable now. You can finally scramble them.

<3 <3 <3 CCP for warp to 0 and stab nerf <3 <3 <3

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Originally by: tiller

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Originally by: Queen Hades

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Originally by: Luke Pubcrawler

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Pirates gained the stab nerf, making camping the destination end or catching targets in belts or missions easier. Also scanning now looks more efficient.

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Thats not entirely true. I guess it is the bullies / griefers ("pirates") who suffer most from the stab nerf. And gate snipers are vulnerable now. You can finally scramble them.

<3 <3 <3 CCP for warp to 0 and stab nerf <3 <3 <3

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You wont have gate snipers any more.

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Originally by: Aria Jenneth

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Edited by: Aria Jenneth on 06/11/2006 09:44:16
But gate snipers are so much fun to sneak up on! ...

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Originally by: Queen Hades

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Originally by: tiller

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Originally by: Queen Hades

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Originally by: Luke Pubcrawler

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Pirates gained the stab nerf, making camping the destination end or catching targets in belts or missions easier. Also scanning now looks more efficient.

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Thats not entirely true. I guess it is the bullies / griefers ("pirates") who suffer most from the stab nerf. And gate snipers are vulnerable now. You can finally scramble them.

<3 <3 <3 CCP for warp to 0 and stab nerf <3 <3 <3

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You wont have gate snipers any more.

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...and I really like that.

I see no real problem with belt piracy and the like, but gate sniping "piracy" is unfair and nothing more than a way to grind people, nothing else.

In sum I'd say Eve will be more fun for us all when there is no more gate sniping.

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Originally by: Olleybear

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This is not the end of the world for piracy. Back when ATUF were around, they hammered alot of people jumping INTO the system, not when they warped to a gate without instas. They were VERY good at this and killed countless people. I still have much respect to the now non-existent ATUF crew because of this.

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Originally by: PCaBoo

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Stab nerf helps everyone :)
Warp to 0 hurts pirates and some warfighters.
Pirates are resilient, but when we have to deal with so much at once, it's a bit overwhelming.

I'm also tired of hearing about how fair and noble PvP is supposed to be. PvP means Player(s) vs Player(s). I don't see how this can be confused with what the rest of you are talking about. Pirates want your stuff. We don't care how we get it. As for pirates who trash talk about how other pirates do their business, get a clue. You can spray your **** with perfume to cover it up, but at the end of the day, your **** stinks just as bad as ours.

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Originally by: Nahia Senne

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Originally by: Vim

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Edited by: Vim on 06/11/2006 01:55:44
Warp to 0 km, check. No more instas *phew*
Stabs nerfed, check. Yarr...

So whats the fun of sniping noobs/lazy people 150km away again? There will still be noobs/lazy people using autopilot, thoose are the ones your most probably killing off anyhow. Now thats a real challenge.

/me continues scanning belts and finding targets instead of noobs.

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and people you scan in belts are all pvp'ers just waiting for some consensual pvp?

now thats a real challenge there you're facing. you don't even have to tank the sentries in order to do it.

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Originally by: Lanfear's Bane

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Un-nerf SB II's so we can catch people warping away from gates, or remove sentries in lowsec so that we can use intie's on gates.

Apart from that sucks TBH.

Lanfear's Bane.

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Originally by: tiller

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Edited by: tiller on 06/11/2006 10:14:58

Originally by: Queen Hades

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Originally by: tiller

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Originally by: Queen Hades

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Originally by: Luke Pubcrawler

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Pirates gained the stab nerf, making camping the destination end or catching targets in belts or missions easier. Also scanning now looks more efficient.

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Thats not entirely true. I guess it is the bullies / griefers ("pirates") who suffer most from the stab nerf. And gate snipers are vulnerable now. You can finally scramble them.

<3 <3 <3 CCP for warp to 0 and stab nerf <3 <3 <3

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You wont have gate snipers any more.

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...and I really like that.

I see no real problem with belt piracy and the like, but gate sniping "piracy" is unfair and nothing more than a way to grind people, nothing else.

In sum I'd say Eve will be more fun for us all when there is no more gate sniping.

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Killing one person one way is no better than killing someone another. If it's in the game mechs and you get the same explosion at the end, then it's cool by me.

How is it more 'fair' to slaughter innocents in belts ?, 'fair' means nothing to a pirate. I just want your stuff PERIOD.

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Originally by: Queen Hades

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Stuff.

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Originally by: Lanfear's Bane

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Originally by: Queen Hades

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Stuff.

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Well tiller doesn't snipe for a start.

People cry about everything and anything that happens in lowsec. With nerf after nerf you are going to see pirates working their sec up and coming up into highsec and war deccing as there will be nothing left for us to kill or so nerfed that the risks far outweigh the rewards. Then the crying will really start.

EVE is slowing becoming EVE Online: Mining Simulator and Big Hugs.

Lanfear's Bane.

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Originally by: Velsharoon

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You "pirates" are pathetic

As Olleybear pointed out in ATUF/BDSM the main kills were on the outgoing. We didnt have uber pwnzor camps always either, sometimes it was 2 or three of us, and we got taken out occasionally cos *gasp* there was risk

The point is if you cba to setup a camp properly then you wont catch outgoing. The people you want to kill on incoming all had instas anyways.

Ultimately we should have warp in at 15km, as thats the way it was meant to be. Wanna travel then travel in small ships or big ships meant to move fast.

This is a good change for the game (reduce lag). Adapt or die. Think how much kali will help with killing agent runners in low sec (I presume)

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Originally by: Velsharoon

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You "pirates" are pathetic

As Olleybear pointed out in ATUF/BDSM the main kills were on the outgoing. We didnt have uber pwnzor camps always either, sometimes it was 2 or three of us, and we got taken out occasionally cos *gasp* there was risk

The point is if you cba to setup a camp properly then you wont catch outgoing. The people you want to kill on incoming all had instas anyways.

Ultimately we should have warp in at 15km, as thats the way it was meant to be. Wanna travel then travel in small ships or big ships meant to move fast.

This is a good change for the game (reduce lag). Adapt or die. Think how much kali will help with killing agent runners in low sec (I presume)

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Originally by: tiller

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...The above fact will leave much of the remaining eve population in space hugging each other with nothing to do but exchange entertaining stories about the evil barstewards that used to make life in eve exciting.!

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Originally by: tiller

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What is it with all the 'non pirates' fixation with asteroid belts. There is nothing there, why would I want to fly to them.

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Originally by: Mira deVorsha

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Originally by: tiller

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What is it with all the 'non pirates' fixation with asteroid belts. There is nothing there, why would I want to fly to them.

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How do you know there is nothing there? You check local. If you see people in local then they are probably somewhere you can kill them. Belts are one such area.

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Originally by: tiller

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Lowsec Belts are usually empty

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Originally by: Mihae

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Originally by: tiller

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Lowsec Belts are usually empty

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QFT - CCP do something about it please.

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Originally by: Mira deVorsha

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Originally by: tiller

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What is it with all the 'non pirates' fixation with asteroid belts. There is nothing there, why would I want to fly to them.

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How do you know there is nothing there? You check local. If you see people in local then they are probably somewhere you can kill them. Belts are one such area.

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Originally by: Mr Ninjaface

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You guys also forget that scan probing is really uber now. You may actually be able to find lvl 4 mission runners rather fast now. They always drop good loot

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Originally by: Nagissa Kaworu

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Originally by: Mr Ninjaface

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You guys also forget that scan probing is really uber now. You may actually be able to find lvl 4 mission runners rather fast now. They always drop good loot

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Yea but how many mission runners are gonna venture into lowsec knowing they gonna get busted alot easier!

Nag.

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Originally by: Ginger Magician

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Belt piracy is a ridiculous carebear thing.

When I jump into any low sec system it is EXTREMELY rare that any one who happens to be a belt does not instantly warp out. OFC with my fame I probably have more of problem with this than the more newbie pirates but with warp to 0km dock option unless u get lucky and warp in and scramble targets have a guaranteed escape.

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Originally by: Mira deVorsha

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NOT SIGNED.
I am just curious how many of the "Signed" use Insta bookmarks to get around. My guess is all of you.

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Originally by: tiller

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Edited by: tiller on 06/11/2006 14:44:57

Originally by: Velsharoon

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You "pirates" are pathetic

As Olleybear pointed out in ATUF/BDSM the main kills were on the outgoing. We didnt have uber pwnzor camps always either, sometimes it was 2 or three of us, and we got taken out occasionally cos *gasp* there was risk

The point is if you cba to setup a camp properly then you wont catch outgoing. The people you want to kill on incoming all had instas anyways.

Ultimately we should have warp in at 15km, as thats the way it was meant to be. Wanna travel then travel in small ships or big ships meant to move fast.

This is a good change for the game (reduce lag). Adapt or die. Think how much kali will help with killing agent runners in low sec (I presume)

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With limited scan res on larger ships that are capable of tanking low sec sentrys it can be VERY difficult to lock ships before they can warp.
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Adapt, overcome, use small(er) ships, risk something....oh wait...:D
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Don't accuse people of not setting up a camp properly. I usually sit right on top of a gate with dual faction sensor boosters, faction disruptors and a very light 3 slot tank... if thats not a setup for ships jumping in then what is einstein. Even so I miss maybe 80% of targets through lack of scan res. (thats 80% of the remaining targets after the removal of 50% by the warp to 0 nerf lol)
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Adapt, overcome, use small(er) ships, risk something....oh wait...:D
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I know there should be risk in piracy, hell I lose DOZENS of ravens. Kali will reduce gate piracy not only with the warp to 0km, but with the stab nerf. Most gate pirates will simply retire I guarantee! (and retire means leave the game)
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Saying something with conviction, doesn't mean its fact...
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The above fact will leave much of the remaining eve population in space hugging each other with nothing to do but exchange entertaining stories about the evil barstewards that used to make life in eve exciting.!
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re: above
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Originally by: tiller

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Edited by: tiller on 05/11/2006 17:23:02

Fellow pirates (if you are not one then plz go away)

First please excuse the rambling style of post, im a pirate not a scholar.

As most are aware the current built of Kali on test server has 'warp to 0km' in place on gates and stations. This as far as I can see is the first stage in the removal of nonconsensual PVP from eve.

Currently PVP takes place at the following locations, most likely in this order. (please feel free to comment on the order here, but from my limited experience this is the case)

----common areas----
1. On gate approach
2. On gate exit
3. On docking approach
4. In belts
----not common place----
5. On undocking
6. At POS / Outposts
7. At Planets / Moons
8. At Safespots

Now number 5 to 8 I would say are rare so those can be discounted. The proposed change in Kali means the 1st and 3rd most used areas for small scale non-consentual PVP are removed from the game. Eves possible PVP areas are in effect very limited and the change, though sounding trivial rips the PVP heart right out of eve and everything the PVP side of the game has ever meant.

Though many will adapt to the changes, I can't help that feel this is a nerf to far. The sickening thing is that CCP did not plan for people to 'insta' travel, that was a effect bought on by bookmarks through accidental use of game mechs. Now to relieve server load CCP are going to change the very core of the gameplay.

I've seen people argue in general discussion about this and say those who live for PVP need to adapt by using belts and scan probes for safes, but the targets in these areas are few and far between. Others argue that everyone uses instas anyway, again, I beg to differ.. and as I sit on gates for hours / years on end watching traffic I'm a better judge of this than your average eve pilot.

Non-consentual PVP with chance of losing what you worked for is what sets eve above all the rest and makes traveling around actually fun and challenging. Without it I'd prefer to go play WOW tbh.

Discuss.

/signed one VERY unhappy tiller.

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Originally by: tiller

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Edited by: tiller on 06/11/2006 14:44:57

Originally by: Velsharoon

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You "pirates" are pathetic

As Olleybear pointed out in ATUF/BDSM the main kills were on the outgoing. We didnt have uber pwnzor camps always either, sometimes it was 2 or three of us, and we got taken out occasionally cos *gasp* there was risk

The point is if you cba to setup a camp properly then you wont catch outgoing. The people you want to kill on incoming all had instas anyways.

Ultimately we should have warp in at 15km, as thats the way it was meant to be. Wanna travel then travel in small ships or big ships meant to move fast.

This is a good change for the game (reduce lag). Adapt or die. Think how much kali will help with killing agent runners in low sec (I presume)

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With limited scan res on larger ships that are capable of tanking low sec sentrys it can be VERY difficult to lock ships before they can warp.

Don't accuse people of not setting up a camp properly. I usually sit right on top of a gate with dual faction sensor boosters, faction disruptors and a very light 3 slot tank... if thats not a setup for ships jumping in then what is einstein. Even so I miss maybe 80% of targets through lack of scan res. (thats 80% of the remaining targets after the removal of 50% by the warp to 0 nerf lol)

I know there should be risk in piracy, hell I lose DOZENS of ravens. Kali will reduce gate piracy not only with the warp to 0km, but with the stab nerf. Most gate pirates will simply retire I guarantee! (and retire means leave the game)

The above fact will leave much of the remaining eve population in space hugging each other with nothing to do but exchange entertaining stories about the evil barstewards that used to make life in eve exciting.!

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Originally by: Taedrin

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What was that phrase you pirates love to telling us carebears when they complain about dying?

"Adapt or die".

With Kali is coming a large number of changes. Everyone will have to adapt. Carebears will have to adjust to the WCS nerf, and the scanning/probing changes. Pirates may have to adapt to warp-to-0km.

Personally, IMO, warp-to-0km is not the way to go about fixing the lag caused by instas. At least, unless they are willing to make it easier to gate camp (such as allowing small warp bubbles in low sec, or by increasing the time it takes for a person to jump, or to warp away from a gate)

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Originally by: dennyreborn

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no where on the eve box or instruction manual does it say piracy is easy.
From a RP perspective it never made sense with my uberness of the computers on the ships (Terra flops per second)that a ship could not warp pretty much exactly where it wanted.

All pirates need to do i move the gate camps get the person when he jumps into the system. yeah some small ships will be harder to catch but if your not up to the challenge then go mine roids with the other care bears.

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Originally by: tiller

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With limited scan res on larger ships that are capable of tanking low sec sentrys it can be VERY difficult to lock ships before they can warp.

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Originally by: tiller

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Even so I miss maybe 80% of targets through lack of scan res. (thats 80% of the remaining targets after the removal of 50% by the warp to 0 nerf lol)

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Originally by: Mr Ninjaface

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Edited by: Mr Ninjaface on 06/11/2006 18:34:30
someone must of sent out a alliance mail in the pirate coalition instructing everyone of them to post on the eve-o forums whining about warp to 0.

pirate coalition = whine coalition

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Originally by: tiller

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Originally by: Mr Ninjaface

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Edited by: Mr Ninjaface on 06/11/2006 18:34:30
someone must of sent out a alliance mail in the pirate coalition instructing everyone of them to post on the eve-o forums whining about warp to 0.

pirate coalition = whine coalition

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btw, did you have anything worthwhile to add to the thread, or you just trolling coz I blew up your hauler once ?

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Originally by: Ogodei Ra

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"I want to kill people that don't want to die. Its what keeps people in check an scared to come into .4 an below."

lol. Its also why you have so few targets to gank. Take your pick. Very few targets that are easy to catch, or lots of targets that are hard to catch.

Arent stabs getting nerfed anyways ? That should make it easier to catch people since the ratters wont be fitting them.

And I do call it ganking and not PvP when you are simply killing targets that cant fight back. Ive been a ganker in lots of games, but I never tried to brag about it being any kind of meaningful PvP. Its just amusing for me.

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Originally by: tiller

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'warning, tiller is trying to pvp you, press Y to let him, press ctrl+q to vanish'

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Originally by: Mr Ninjaface

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Originally by: tiller

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'warning, tiller is trying to pvp you, press Y to let him, press ctrl+q to vanish'

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I fixed it for you

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Originally by: Vampire Lord

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It's pretty simple...It's all Bull

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Originally by: Amiable Quinn

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My advice to Pirate Coalition is to lead by example, if you find the warp to 0 option unbalancing remove all of your instas near stations and gates and act as an example to the rest of the community

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Originally by: Lanfear's Bane

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Originally by: Queen Hades

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Stuff.

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Well tiller doesn't snipe for a start.

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Originally by: Scoundrelus

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Originally by: Lanfear's Bane

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Originally by: Queen Hades

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Stuff.

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Well tiller doesn't snipe for a start.

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No, he's worse then that.

He camps with stabs!

More Stabs!

Stabs Galore!

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Originally by: tiller

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Originally by: Scoundrelus

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Originally by: Lanfear's Bane

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Originally by: Queen Hades

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Stuff.

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Well tiller doesn't snipe for a start.

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No, he's worse then that.

He camps with stabs!

More Stabs!

Stabs Galore!

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Fool, I've been camping for the last 3 days in a 5 stab raven. So what...

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Originally by: Scoundrelus

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Originally by: tiller

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Originally by: Scoundrelus

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Originally by: Lanfear's Bane

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Originally by: Queen Hades

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Stuff.

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Well tiller doesn't snipe for a start.

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No, he's worse then that.

He camps with stabs!

More Stabs!

Stabs Galore!

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Fool, I've been camping for the last 3 days in a 5 stab raven. So what...

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And you see fit to speak on behalf of all pirates and tell everyone what REAL pvp is?

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Originally by: tiller

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Edited by: tiller on 06/11/2006 21:28:41

Originally by: Scoundrelus

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Originally by: tiller

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Originally by: Scoundrelus

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Originally by: Lanfear's Bane

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Originally by: Queen Hades

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Stuff.

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Well tiller doesn't snipe for a start.

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No, he's worse then that.

He camps with stabs!

More Stabs!

Stabs Galore!

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Fool, I've been camping for the last 3 days in a 5 stab raven. So what...

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And you see fit to speak on behalf of all pirates and tell everyone what REAL pvp is?

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This is way off topic. I fit what I feel is right for a given situation and gives me a edge in the type of PVP I'm performing.

At the moment I'm targeting only haulers solo in alliance space that responds to gate campers in less than 15mins. Without them I would of lost 5 ravens alone last night.

Job well done, mission accomplished.

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