Sure thing, just as soon as they fix the problem of you guys not inheriting aggression session penalties and being able to dock and jump through gates while assisting people rendering logi nearly invincible on gate and station.

COMPLETELY OFF TOPIC YOU NEED TO FOCUS

COMPLETELY OFF TOPIC YOU NEED TO FOCUS

It's on topic, you can have lazy access to killmails if they fix the inherent problems with them. In order to get on a killmail currently they need to perform an act of aggression which is completely fair, it's also really easy to put a small arty or use a flight of light drones to get on it my friends do this all the time.

If you want kills for reps they should fix the ships and give inherited aggression for reps on ships shooting other ships as well. Fair is fair.

m8m8m8 there is NOTHING lazy about flying a logistics m8 and it should be rewarded!!11111

m8m8m8 there is NOTHING lazy about flying a logistics m8 and it should be rewarded!!11111

Your apathy towards broken mechanics should not be rewarded, logis have needed session mechanics addressed for ages. If a logi want's to rep a ship engaged in combat it should not be effectively invincible on stations and gates.

I know that takes a steaming dump on the 1337 legions of highsec warriors and people afraid to commit but none the less it's a loophole that's long overdue in being addressed.

It's on topic, you can have lazy access to killmails if they fix the inherent problems with them. In order to get on a killmail currently they need to perform an act of aggression which is completely fair, it's also really easy to put a small arty or use a flight of light drones to get on it my friends do this all the time.

If you want kills for reps they should fix the ships and give inherited aggression for reps on ships shooting other ships as well. Fair is fair.

Killmails should be overhauled into a combat report including all parties involved in the action.


Logistics can have a separate area with zero damage or on the friendly mail with HP given. And yes, repping a player should transfer aggression.

Your argument isn't vaild.

If you're not willing to aggress, you don't deserve to be on a killmail. The changes you're proposing is for you to have some sort of 'safe' wimp out-ish PvP where you can jump or dock at any time. This will certainly reduce the amount of losses you are taking!

You need to think things through before posting.

You should read a thread before posting.

It's been agreed that such a thing would require the spread of agression to a repping player. With or without a killmail change it should be done.

It's be pretty awesome if remote assistance showed up on killmails, and lossmails.

For instance, if I remote rep a sleipnir killing another sleipnir, I will show up on the dead sleipnirs lossmail. Also, if the other sleipnir happens to win, I will show up in a seperate column on my gangmates lossmail with how much I repped him.

ANY THOTS

Your argument isn't vaild.

If you're not willing to aggress, you don't deserve to be on a killmail. The changes you're proposing is for you to have some sort of 'safe' wimp out-ish PvP where you can jump or dock at any time. This will certainly reduce the amount of losses you are taking!

You need to think things through before posting.

The Implants of the people on the killmail should show up too so that when you get killed and the other guy had a slave/snake/crystal set you can blame it on that. Everyone within 10km of the destroyed ship should show up on the mail so bump ships get included also it should show the total SP of all involved parties.

Actually just include a full API of everyone in system at the time and we can assume that they were all conspiring together.

COMPLETELY OFF TOPIC YOU NEED TO FOCUS

If you include fleet boosters on kill mails you're basically going to be giving out the structure of the fleet that blew you up. In a situation where you thought you were going into a 1v1 and got screwed that's vindicating for you but for a fleet engagement where you actually have a proper fleet set up so people are getting the correct bonuses a killmail like that becomes an incredibly powerful intelligence gathering tool.

As soon as you lose one ship you immidiately know who you need to shoot to remove fleet bonuses. Making killmails excessively detailed just pumps out free intel and you have no possible way of concealing it.

Sure thing, just as soon as they fix the problem of you guys not inheriting aggression session penalties and being able to dock and jump through gates while assisting people rendering logi nearly invincible on gate and station.

COMPLETELY OFF TOPIC YOU NEED TO FOCUS

They aren't completely immune from risk, you can find them by looking. What you're suggesting is that the game should just tell you the entire structure of the enemy fleet because a rifter got exploded. Showing who was giving a person bonuses would reveal who the squad commander, wing command and fleet booster of that fleet was the second a single killmail is generated regardless of what ship you lost.

How is it in any way appropriate to give away that kind of information to someone because they lost a ship? Getting blown up should not have that kind of benefit.

Yes, they should.

The killmail of the rifter would not show the entire fleet unless the entire fleet assisted in the kill of the rifter. The killmail should give an accurate history of what happened, not an inaccurate one.

There is nothing inherently unfair about making killmails accurate. These things are really pretty obvious unless you have grown accustomed to hiding your neutral alts, in order to chest beat about inaccurate killmails.

km should be removed. Problem solved.

Going from the fact that you apparently didn't understand what I was talking about you've never been in a fleet that had seperate squad, wing and fleet commanders or a fleet booster.

Also you can accuse me whatever you want, I have exactly one account.

Yes, they should.

So when you get blown up you want everyone in space to know who your squad, wing and fleet commanders were? In the middle of a fight you want people to be able to know who to shoot so that your squad stops getting bonuses?

Yes, they should.

So there will be a new breed of KM-hores with rep modules instead of weapons getting in on the kill without getting a GCC in high sec.

They'll call it "ninja killmailing".

So there will be a new breed of KM-hores with rep modules instead of weapons getting in on the kill without getting a GCC in high sec.

They'll call it "ninja killmailing".

I think this is a fantastic idea.

And yes, it's because I primarily fly Logi.

The fact is, while most of us who are experienced with Logi ship know when its safe to killmail ***** and when not to aggress, the point is that aggressing to get included on a killmail puts yourself and your fleet at risk. I think any existing situation that forces pilots to choose between safety for their fleet and some credit for a kill is a losing battle. Too many players go for the kill, and can screw their fleet over in the process.

Drones are risky, and really, drone bays on Logistics should be used for repair drones anyways. Adding Logistics to killmails would reduce the number of foolish moves in fleets, and ensure that Logistics pilots bring a that best supports their fleet, instead of a fit that exists just to obtain credit for being there.

Yes, they should.

So when you get blown up you want everyone in space to know who your squad, wing and fleet commanders were? In the middle of a fight you want people to be able to know who to shoot so that your squad stops getting bonuses?

It shouldn't because it would just be a pointless addition, solely existing to appease killboard padding mouthbreathers.

Although I suspect that anything that would fix broken empire RR mechanics would have the same effect so v0v

Yes, they should.

Quoting because pro-pvp'ers stop in the middle of a firefight to check lossmails. Nothing says "fighting a difficult battle" like stopping to scour killboards for real-time pvp information.

In other news, water is wet! And, idiots don't understand sarcasm! I bet you guys didn't know that.

you mean as opposed to km whores with a neut logi alt

wouldn't you say that needs fixing though? or would you rather just qq about it?

If you can gain an advantage by doing something people will do it. If you can have the person who just got blown up check his own loss mail to see who the person who killed him was getting bonuses from nobody who is currently involved in fighting has to stop what they are doing.

Although if you're really lazy, aren't particularly interested in winning and have no ability to multitask I can see why looking at a single line of text on killmail on your second monitor might be too much work for you to handle.

It's on topic, you can have lazy access to killmails if they fix the inherent problems with them. In order to get on a killmail currently they need to perform an act of aggression which is completely fair, it's also really easy to put a small arty or use a flight of light drones to get on it my friends do this all the time.

If you want kills for reps they should fix the ships and give inherited aggression for reps on ships shooting other ships as well. Fair is fair.

If you can gain an advantage by doing something people will do it. If you can have the person who just got blown up check his own loss mail to see who the person who killed him was getting bonuses from nobody who is currently involved in fighting has to stop what they are doing.

Although if you're really lazy, aren't particularly interested in winning and have no ability to multitask I can see why looking at a single line of text on killmail on your second monitor might be too much work for you to handle.

Quoting because pro-pvp'ers stop in the middle of a firefight to check lossmails. Nothing says "fighting a difficult battle" like stopping to scour killboards for real-time pvp information.

In other news, water is wet! And, idiots don't understand sarcasm! I bet you guys didn't know that.

Yes, they should.

No, most people check killboards BEFORE engaging if they're smart. They will scout people in local and neighboring systems to find out where the target's backup is sitting.

I realize that giving promises and stuff in a forum thread isn't something that's going to happen, so instead I will ask you - Is this something that could be done like within the current game mechanics (so that you don't have to spend a lot of time reworking it), and thus realistically MIGHT show up sometime in the future?

Risk adverse in my eve?

Stop the hand wringing and just have some fun. It's a game.

Fully support the OP.
All assitance should show up on the kill/lossmails. It would both make killboards more "honest" and give more people incentive to fly logistics.
No more whoring with 1 gun or combat drones.

Who said anything about not engaging? It's called knowing what you're up against and planning accordingly.

Fully support the OP.
All assitance should show up on the kill/lossmails. It would both make killboards more "honest" and give more people incentive to fly logistics.
No more whoring with 1 gun or combat drones.

By the time you check their killboards and then scout the surrounding area you may find some of your pvp opportunities are gone.

Name: Valator Uel
Security: 3.5
Corp: Rionnag Alba
Alliance: Northern Coalition.
Faction: None
Ship: Guardian
Weapon: Large Remote Armor Repair System II
Damage Done: -15636

Name: Valator Uel
Security: 3.5
Corp: Rionnag Alba
Alliance: Northern Coalition.
Faction: None
Ship: Sabre
Weapon: 150mm Light AutoCannon II
Damage Done: 1892
Benefactor1: Barakkus
Benefactor1Ship: Scimitar
... ect

It's been a while since I last PvP'ed, but I thought logis had always showed up in killmails... When did this change?

And why would CCP have removed the killmails for logistics, that makes no sense at all.

Anyone who uses a module which in some form assists in the battle should appear on the killmail.

Not just the ones shooting, but also the ones repping AND the ones hiding somewhere running ganlinks to boost from far away.


Also agression timer should transfer to neutral logistics because the activly participate in assisting a hostile act.
If I sit next to someone shooting and all I do is pass him ammo then I am not an innocent participant, same when I someone is shooting someone else and I remote rep one of them I am no longer uninvolved in an act of agression and as such should suffer the agression timer for docking and jumping aswel.

And yes, I fly logistics. Amongst others I love logistics and scouting. And I accept the risks it should bring with it. I refrain from using a logistics ship as a neutral repair guy simply because it's a broken game mechanic which CCP just can't seem to fix, but as the EULA says, knowingly abusing a bug or oversight is considered exploiting and as such I refrain from using that exploit.

Even if CCP states it isn't an exploit the fact remains that activly assisting in a battle should have shared agression timer and since it doesn't have it it is an exploit in my point of vieuw.
One very happily used exploit and because it's so widely used and ingame for a long time CCP can't act on it anymore as an exploit. So now they are gradually changing the mechanics.

And if you bring a few pvp fit logi's there is not much need to use neut logi's because your opponents have to decide what first. The logi's spidertanking eachother and in the meanwhile get shot by their Dps group or on to the Dps group which get's a load of reps.

make me wonder...
given that dictor now get agression for depoying bubbles, do they show up on killmails if the guy was on the dirctor's bubble ?

seems as fair as logi on km to me

Yes, they should.

you mean as opposed to km whores with a neut logi alt

wouldn't you say that needs fixing though? or would you rather just qq about it?

Fix the broken game mechanic of RR instead of bitching about killmails that reflect the broken mechanic FFS.