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Bombcrater DAB RAZOR Alliance	Posted - 2006.11.09 14:36:00 - [1] It looks like news of Eve's recent lag problems and CCP's attempts to 'downplay' the issue have started leaking out to a wider audience. Computer industry news site The Inquirer has posted a rather unflattering story item about it. -------------------
Vazion TOHA Heavy Industries	Posted - 2006.11.09 14:40:00 - [2] Edited by: Vazion on 09/11/2006 14:42:24 Edited by: Vazion on 09/11/2006 14:41:28 Originally by: Bombcrater It looks like news of Eve's recent lag problems and CCP's attempts to 'downplay' the issue have started leaking out to a wider audience. Computer industry news site The Inquirer has posted a rather unflattering story item about it. And twice as reliable as Fox news, I see. I enjoy my fancypants chatroom, thank you. PS: My ship isn't that shiny. Edit: I think I got the magazine wrong..Havn't read it in more than a year..So I'll fix it.. --- I'm in ur signature, writing ur witty comments. T2 BPOs.
Samirol Ore Mongers	Posted - 2006.11.09 14:43:00 - [3] slow news day? This corp is recruiting. Billboard Project
James Snowscoran Coreli Corporation Corelum Syndicate	Posted - 2006.11.09 14:44:00 - [4] Quote: and it's generally agreed that at the moment, the slowed-down sluggish space sim is little more than a fancypants chatroom, with lots of shiny things. That's news to me. -----
Tiny Tove	Posted - 2006.11.09 14:46:00 - [5] Eve was just a Database with a non-user friendly interface when it was playable. (ie, a game) Being downgraded to chat room though, that is too lol. I expect the usual CCP sycophants will be suitably outraged.
Weakmind	Posted - 2006.11.09 14:49:00 - [6] Hehe, people that know i play eve already MSNed me with this link. TBH the article is quite spot on, at least in regards to locking the thread and lag semingly getting worse and worse by the day. The add the alliances that have started blatantly provoking node crashes.
Patch86 Di-Tron Heavy Industries Freelancer Alliance	Posted - 2006.11.09 14:49:00 - [7] /me notices the "flame author" button at the bottom of that aricle. I bet that gets a fair airing today Theres nothing "sycophant" about enjoying a game. The lag doesn't seem to affect me that bad, except in Jita and at peak times. Play it if you enjoy it, don't if you don't. 'Tis only a game, after all -----------------------------------------------
Angxia Gallente The Scope	Posted - 2006.11.09 14:50:00 - [8] Edited by: Angxia on 09/11/2006 14:50:25 Originally by: Bombcrater It looks like news of Eve's recent lag problems and CCP's attempts to 'downplay' the issue have started leaking out to a wider audience. Computer industry news site The Inquirer has posted a rather unflattering story item about it. Never underestimate the power of whiners my friend. Edit: or != of >.<
Ranger 1 Amarr Shiva Morsus Mihi	Posted - 2006.11.09 14:51:00 - [9] Fortunately, I think most people will simply consider the source.
Khabok Dark Lancers	Posted - 2006.11.09 14:56:00 - [10] Kind of off-topic, but whoever wrote this is a terrible writer. Quote: CCP, the company responsible for EVE-Online, is taking a lot of flak from its players at the moment, and it's generally agreed that at the moment, the slowed-down sluggish space sim is little more than a fancypants chatroom, with lots of shiny things. Honestly, I'd love to sit here and rip this single paragraph to shreds, but I'm at work at the Kitten-Squashing Factory, and we're behind schedule. *Khabok* There are only four things in life.The first one is Love: Cherish that one, and keep it safe, for the other three are Fear, Hatred, and Sorrow.
VVarlord Freedom Guard Imperium Alliance	Posted - 2006.11.09 14:59:00 - [11] Edited by: VVarlord on 09/11/2006 15:00:19 1) like above posters mentioned, what kind of source is this? 2) you've got to be kidding me, over the last month or so the lag has gotten much BETTER. While it was near unplayable in a gang over five for awhile, it is easily playable in gangs of 50+ with minimal lag now. 3) eve is also a whole lot more than a fancypants chatroom, well mabye not for empire carebears Your signature is too large. Please see the Forum Rules for the limits - Serathu ([email protected])
Crumplecorn Gallente Aerial Boundaries Inc. Interstellar Starbase Syndicate	Posted - 2006.11.09 15:01:00 - [12] Well at least they can't be accused of kicking Eve while it's down, because at the moment it's doing ok. ---------- IBTL \o/
Rodj Blake Amarr PIE Inc.	Posted - 2006.11.09 15:15:00 - [13] There's a chat room attached to these fora? Dulce et decorum est, pro imperator mori It's great being Amarr, ain't it?
Bombcrater DAB RAZOR Alliance	Posted - 2006.11.09 15:21:00 - [14] Just to clarify, I posted the link to that story but that doesn't mean I agree with it. Inferring that Eve is crippled by lag is pushing the bounds of accurate reporting a bit (game-killing lag is really only a factor in large fleet battles, in my experience) but that's not really the issue. If more stories like this pop up Eve could end up getting a reputation as a buggy game developed by a company that tries to suppress player complaints. It'd be a downright shame if that happened, but more than one MMPOG has gained that sort of reputation and never recovered. I don't suppose I need to name any names...

Eldo Davip Forum Moderator Interstellar Services Department	Posted - 2006.11.09 15:47:00 - [15] Any publication which has a "Flame Author" link under the article immediately loses credibility for me. ___ Email Us (Report a bad post) \| Forum Rules - Read 'em! \| Website

Xsag Caldari School of Applied Knowledge	Posted - 2006.11.09 15:48:00 - [16] Edited by: Xsag on 09/11/2006 15:50:53 Originally by: Khabok Kind of off-topic, but whoever wrote this is a terrible writer. Quote: CCP, the company responsible for EVE-Online, is taking a lot of flak from its players at the moment, and it's generally agreed that at the moment, the slowed-down sluggish space sim is little more than a fancypants chatroom, with lots of shiny things. Honestly, I'd love to sit here and rip this single paragraph to shreds, but I'm at work at the Kitten-Squashing Factory, and we're behind schedule. *Khabok* squash me a kitten please - can i have a stripey one please? possibly light brown and white with big eyes ~n00b of all trades~ ~~Airkio~~ / ~~Muvolailen~~ ~if im posting on here its cos im in work~
Vazion TOHA Heavy Industries	Posted - 2006.11.09 15:51:00 - [17] Originally by: Eldo Davip Any publication which has a "Flame Author" link under the article immediately loses credibility for me. Haha. What are you talking about..You guys have one too..You just give them a fancy name like 'forum'.. --- I'm in ur signature, writing ur witty comments. T2 BPOs.
QwaarJet Gallente Rage of Angels Morsus Mihi	Posted - 2006.11.09 16:06:00 - [18] I think it's fair that articles criticize EVE should be posted, there's too many saying how good it is, without mentioning the problems. The lag at the moment is horrific in places, so I think some of that article is justified. "Hobbes, she stepped into the Perimeter Of Wisdom.Run!"
Calisto Cody Minmatar The Black Swan Society	Posted - 2006.11.09 17:29:00 - [19] Originally by: QwaarJet I think it's fair that articles criticize EVE should be posted, there's too many saying how good it is, without mentioning the problems. The lag at the moment is horrific in places, so I think some of that article is justified. well there is balanced reviewing and having a whine, i bet he got podded^_^ What makes a man? Is it the woman in his arms? Just 'cause she has big ***** Or is the way He fights everyday? No, it's probably the *****
IlIlIIlIlIlIlIIllIIllIlI	Posted - 2006.11.09 17:32:00 - [20] Originally by: QwaarJet I think it's fair that articles criticize EVE should be posted, there's too many saying how good it is, without mentioning the problems. The lag at the moment is horrific in places, so I think some of that article is justified. Exactly, lets not kid ourselves here. Fleetbattles are the pinnacle of EVE PvP and it has been broken since 2004. We're now at the stage where people can pull down nodes at will, by exploiting game mechanics. If the author of the article actually played EVE or did a little research you could make a much more solid anti-EVE case imho. And I fully understand why people would give EVE a miss in favor of other MMO's.
Kasak Black The Collective Against ALL Authorities	Posted - 2006.11.09 18:03:00 - [21] I wouldn't pay attention to anything 'the inquirer' has to say, get EVE-Online in the Times and I'd be concerned
Death Kill Caldari direkte	Posted - 2006.11.09 18:05:00 - [22] What a rubbish 'news' story. N=R* x fp x ne x fl x Fi x fc x L
Andrue Amarr	Posted - 2006.11.09 18:10:00 - [23] Edited by: Andrue on 09/11/2006 18:15:45 Originally by: James Snowscoran Quote: and it's generally agreed that at the moment, the slowed-down sluggish space sim is little more than a fancypants chatroom, with lots of shiny things. That's news to me. That's all I've ever thought it was. A chat client with nice graphics and stuff going on that gives us all something in common to talk about. I've always thought it was a clever idea though - gives the game longevity. Now if you want an even nastier (and older) review you could try and track down the one headlined "Hi ho, hi ho, I'm not an F***g Space Dwarf". I think that was the one that described Eve as a spreadsheet simulator and complained that the font was the size of a gnat's sphincter. Sadly I can't find that now, was quite a funny review. -- (Battle hardened industrialist) [Brackley, UK] Linux is only free if your time is worthless**
MrTripps Gallente	Posted - 2006.11.09 18:34:00 - [24] Lag in Eve doesn't seem to be any worse then any other multi player online game. I would bet that lag issues are more the result of flaky network connections then anything CCP has control over. The tubes on the Internets get clogged from time to time. Most people would sooner die than think; in fact, they do so. - Bertrand Russell
Sphynx Stormlord	Posted - 2006.11.09 18:54:00 - [25] Eve always was a fancy chatroom. That is why mmorpgs are so popular, they function as chatrooms with an added game for when you dont want to talk so much. Many is the game I have continued playing long after it stopped interesting me, because of the social aspects.
Micia Minmatar Thrace Inc Ushra'Khan	Posted - 2006.11.09 18:59:00 - [26] "Fancypants chatroom" implies that pants are worn, while playing. Clearly the article is in error. _______
Miss Overlord Gallente EUROPEANS	Posted - 2006.11.09 19:05:00 - [27] amusing but yes the source is well flamebait really
Garreck Amarr Border Defense Consortium Curatores Veritatis Alliance	Posted - 2006.11.09 19:11:00 - [28] And yet...somehow...the subscription base continues to grow. Those who have been playing Eve since its inception have heard every possible proof that Eve is a failure and a waste of time and all that good rot. And those same people have watched peak online numbers rise from 3-4k to over 30k. Still going strong, far and away more interesting, more balanced and gosh darn it just plain better than it was 3 years ago. So keep raining all the bad news and we'll keep lovin' our game.
Malarkey Minmatar Dark and Light inc.	Posted - 2006.11.09 19:31:00 - [29] Actually, I love articles like this, coz I'm a selfish old veteran Eve player who doesnt like the fact that the game is being taken over by hordes and hordes of people. I went to Jita, once. The lag was so bad, I've stayed away ever since, safely out in deep 0.0 where I hardly ever meet anyone and can kiss those gorgeous roids all on my own all day. Hopefully all those new potential new players will read the article and stay away and we can go back to having 8K ppl on-line max ppl on-line again. I think those strange CCP people are rich enough, already. Well done, that author!
Futuri Caldari	Posted - 2006.11.09 19:34:00 - [30] Are you all saying there is no lag? And no node crashes?
Kharakan Amarr GREY COUNCIL	Posted - 2006.11.09 19:38:00 - [31] "Generally agreed"? Generally agreed by who exactly? Originally by: Joshua Foiritain (to Dark Shikari) HAHAHA I KNOW YOUR ACCOUUNT NAME TIME TO DIE this signature space is claimed in the name of eris, haha I got to him first. neeneer
4rc4ng3L Gallente DarkSide Inc	Posted - 2006.11.09 19:38:00 - [32] As much as i dont agree with the author i have to say that this is very bad press for ccp regardless, especially with a pending expansion.... It does concern me slightly Death is the only true freedom, brought on by our own ignorance.... Welcome to the "free" world in which we live...
Becham	Posted - 2006.11.09 19:41:00 - [33] Every MMOG is a fancy chat room.
Ralara Caldari Reunited O X I D E	Posted - 2006.11.09 19:44:00 - [34] Originally by: Bombcrater It looks like news of Eve's recent lag problems and CCP's attempts to 'downplay' the issue have started leaking out to a wider audience. Computer industry news site The Inquirer has posted a rather unflattering story item about it. presumably the author lost his ship and there were no logs on the GM side to reimburse him...?
Isyel Minmatar Masuat'aa Matari Ushra'Khan	Posted - 2006.11.09 19:49:00 - [35] Players in general feel shafted? You mean the few forum ****s replying to topics all day long? Personally i don't have any issues lately, living in my nice (ya right, crap rats, crap ore, 1k pirates) little corner of the galaxy enjoying BE and such incursions. What lag? ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ I be needin' some sig love. sigh*
Zissou 5 November	Posted - 2006.11.09 19:49:00 - [36] If they think 23 pages is 'humongous', they obviously didn't witness the Amarr whine thread! Seriously though, it's just four paragraphs of exaggerated, trashy journalism that even uses its correction to take a sideswipe at EvE players. The guy who wrote the article probably lagged out in Jita and lost a ship. I certainly detect a substantial element of biased reporting and I certainly don't believe the article is impartial.
Patch86 Di-Tron Heavy Industries Freelancer Alliance	Posted - 2006.11.09 19:50:00 - [37] Originally by: 4rc4ng3L As much as i dont agree with the author i have to say that this is very bad press for ccp regardless, especially with a pending expansion.... It does concern me slightly I wouldn't worry. The people who are already playing arn't going to be swayed one way or other by any articles- they're playing, they'll make their own mind up. And EVE doesn't NEED masive growth of the player base. Its nice, but it doesn't need it. Aslong as CCP have enough money to keep the servers running, plus a little something for themselves, EVE will live on. -----------------------------------------------
Galk Gallente Autumn Tactics	Posted - 2006.11.09 19:52:00 - [38] Originally by: Futuri Are you all saying there is no lag? And no node crashes? No. The majority are attempting to ridicule the article rather than answer it Eldo wins on that count Personaly: I see lots of voices on 'other' gaming forums saying there miffed off with eve's lag related issues, and are close to saying goodbye unless ccp get it under control. I 'belive' ccp are aware of this.... hence the recent effort to boost the servers architecture with new blades,, nodes or whatever else.. along with restructing ingame content and game dynamics( i don't claim to be an expert on the techincal stuff) The last paragraph is most revilent in answering the article in a more constructive manner.. rather than simpley trying to rubbish it in the manner many do above. If it makes a difference or not though is another telling matter... Hope it does... If not.... im sure you will continue to see the guys above me continuing with the same ole tactics as described twice over. ______
Futuri Caldari	Posted - 2006.11.09 19:53:00 - [39] The fact is, we have to put up with unstable servers and unplayable lag to the extent that would be completely unacceptable in any other game and yet very little is being done about it (although very much is promised, as usual).
Zissou 5 November	Posted - 2006.11.09 19:59:00 - [40] Originally by: Futuri The fact is, we have to put up with unstable servers and unplayable lag to the extent that would be completely unacceptable in any other game and yet very little is being done about it (although very much is promised, as usual). Rubbish.
Joshua Foiritain Gallente Coreli Corporation Corelum Syndicate	Posted - 2006.11.09 20:03:00 - [41] Edited by: Joshua Foiritain on 09/11/2006 20:10:27 Quote: and it's generally agreed that at the moment, the slowed-down sluggish space sim is little more than a fancypants chatroom, with lots of shiny things Crappy Layout + Fake news = An obviously **ty news organization. Originally by:** Vazion Originally by: Eldo Davip Any publication which has a "Flame Author" link under the article immediately loses credibility for me. Haha. What are you talking about..You guys have one too..You just give them a fancy name like 'forum'.. Which is exactly what seperates a prefessional buisness from a hobby group. ----- [Coreli Corporation Mainframe]
Futuri Caldari	Posted - 2006.11.09 20:13:00 - [42] Originally by: Joshua Foiritain Crappy Layout + Fake news = An obviously ****ty news organization. 2 million readers obviously think otherwise. It is a tabloid.. but the most popular one (for tech news).
Samuel Freedom	Posted - 2006.11.09 20:16:00 - [43] Originally by: Futuri Originally by: Joshua Foiritain Crappy Layout + Fake news = An obviously ****ty news organization. 2 million readers obviously think otherwise. It is a tabloid.. but the most popular one (for tech news). How do you know what other readers think o.0 No seriously though it was a poor piece of work regaurdless of content.
Joshua Foiritain Gallente Coreli Corporation Corelum Syndicate	Posted - 2006.11.09 20:16:00 - [44] Originally by: Futuri Originally by: Joshua Foiritain Crappy Layout + Fake news = An obviously **ty news organization. 2 million readers obviously think otherwise. According to them i assume? Originally by:** Futuri It is a tabloid.. but the most popular one (for tech news). Makes sense, tabloids usually dont care too much about the truth, they should do something that absolutely horrible layout though. Admittingly their dutch version looks a lot better, the articles are horrible though, it has 50 year old with mid-life crises trying to be 'cool' written all over it. ----- [Coreli Corporation Mainframe]
Montague Zooma Imperial Dreams Curatores Veritatis Alliance	Posted - 2006.11.09 20:18:00 - [45] It's really sweet that a lot of folks aren't bothered by lag. Maybe you're playing on some of the better nodes, maybe you just happen to play at the right time of day, or maybe you're just in denial because you love the game so much. I've been playing for 17 months and the game performance is about the worst I've ever seen. I logged into Misaba last night and quit trying to play because the lag was so bad I could barely outfit my ship in the hangar...nothing would drag-n-drop on the first try. If I have to struggle to move things around, I sure as hell won't be able to respond properly in PVP. So I logged out and watched TV instead. Why do so many people keep playing if the game is so bad? It's the basic hook of every MMO...the player communities are what keep people paying CCP every month. Players like to hang out with their online buddies. That and it's cheaper to pay for a year in advance than pay by the month. If I were still paying monthly, I quit for a month just to try to send the message that I'm not satisfied with the current state of performance. If they don't improve performance by the time my subscription expires, I'll take a non-paying break from the game. Eve is a game with terrific potential, and when it's working properly, it's a joy. But it's been very frustrating lately.
Futuri Caldari	Posted - 2006.11.09 20:24:00 - [46] Originally by: Joshua Foiritain Makes sense, tabloids usually dont care too much about the truth, they should do something that absolutely horrible layout though. Surely if the article is not true, CCP can sue the inquirer for defamation, if they are found guilty the damage award will be enough to buy hundreds of new nodes.
Joshua Foiritain Gallente Coreli Corporation Corelum Syndicate	Posted - 2006.11.09 20:24:00 - [47] Edited by: Joshua Foiritain on 09/11/2006 20:24:56 Originally by: Montague Zooma Blah Blah Blah Nobody said eve wasnt lagging, of course it, hell its **** up all over the place. The point is that the entire story, and this quote in particular: Quote: and it's generally agreed that at the moment, the slowed-down sluggish space sim is little more than a fancypants chatroom, with lots of shiny things Is complete and utter bull**. Generally agreed by whom? Himself and his right hand? His neighbour? His boss? The creators of Wow? Certainly not the forum whoring community here, cant be the ingame community either, theres too many of them to know wtf they think... ----- [Coreli Corporation Mainframe]
Joshua Foiritain Gallente Coreli Corporation Corelum Syndicate	Posted - 2006.11.09 20:28:00 - [48] Originally by: Futuri Surely if the article is not true, CCP can sue the inquirer for defamation, if they are found guilty the damage award will be enough to buy hundreds of new nodes. Thats rather microsoft. It's not like CCP, or anyone else important really cares what some online tabloid really writes. Well except for us, but we just need something to forum ***** about ----- [Coreli Corporation Mainframe]
Futuri Caldari	Posted - 2006.11.09 20:33:00 - [49] Edited by: Futuri on 09/11/2006 20:34:09
Zissou 5 November	Posted - 2006.11.09 20:36:00 - [50] Originally by: Futuri Surely if the article is not true, CCP can sue the inquirer for defamation, if they are found guilty the damage award will be enough to buy hundreds of new nodes. That assumes 'The Inquirer' is worth taking legal action against and assumes that they'll have the funds to pay any damages awarded against them. I think not. Who uses a word like 'fancypants' these days anyway?
Futuri Caldari	Posted - 2006.11.09 20:47:00 - [51] Originally by: Zissou That assumes 'The Inquirer' is worth taking legal action against and assumes that they'll have the funds to pay any damages awarded against them. I think not. Who uses a word like 'fancypants' these days anyway? Are you serious? 'The Inquirer' probably has 10x the profits of CCP
Montague Zooma Imperial Dreams Curatores Veritatis Alliance	Posted - 2006.11.09 20:50:00 - [52] Originally by: Joshua Foiritain Edited by: Joshua Foiritain on 09/11/2006 20:24:56 Originally by: Montague Zooma Blah Blah Blah Nobody said eve wasnt lagging, of course it, hell its **** up all over the place. The point is that the entire story, and this quote in particular: Quote: and it's generally agreed that at the moment, the slowed-down sluggish space sim is little more than a fancypants chatroom, with lots of shiny things Is complete and utter bull**. Generally agreed by whom? Himself and his right hand? His neighbour? His boss? The creators of Wow? The Inquirer has an in your face style about everything, not just Eve. I read it regularly, ignore the snarky attitude and pay attention to the root of the story. I use it as a launching point...I read about something there first and then I go looking for a more reliable source for the real scoop. As for the sluggish pace reducing the game to a fancypants chatroom...I have to agree that's what it felt like for me last night. The chat channels were working, but the lag was bad enough that I didn't want to try flying anywhere. And you yourself agreed there's bad lag all over the place...face it, the chat channels are about the only thing you can safely use when things are bad. If the game can't even handle the chat, the server crashes. So, yeah, during bad times the game is just a chatroom with lots of shiny things that you don't dare fly because lag may get you killed. And as for "nobody said Eve wasn't lagging"...go back and read some of the posts here and in every other thread where someone has the audacity to suggest that Eve may not be perfect. There are always players who insist there's nothing to complain about.
LUGAL MOP'N'GLO	Posted - 2006.11.09 20:56:00 - [53] They totally forgot about... "the slowed-down sluggish space sim is little more than a fancypants chatroom, with lots of shiny things" and EMAIL! The Inquirer, nuff said? ~~~~~~~~~ I wish my lawn was EMO so it would cut itself. I approve of this message.
Maestro Ulv Phaze-9	Posted - 2006.11.09 20:59:00 - [54] Originally by: Becham Every MMOG is a fancy chat room. Nah! WoW isnt even fancy! I'm not bored, I'm merely in the Queue.
Taedrin Gallente Mercatoris Technologies	Posted - 2006.11.09 20:59:00 - [55] Huh, well I guess if the author of that article doesn't like EVE, then he is entitled to an opinion. I am (mostly) happy with the way EVE has been working for me, but then again I haven't sold my soul to an alliance yet.
Zissou 5 November	Posted - 2006.11.09 21:00:00 - [56] Originally by: Futuri Originally by: Zissou That assumes 'The Inquirer' is worth taking legal action against and assumes that they'll have the funds to pay any damages awarded against them. I think not. Who uses a word like 'fancypants' these days anyway? Are you serious? 'The Inquirer' probably has 10x the profits of CCP It's a pity they don't invest some of that revenue in qualified journalists.
Futuri Caldari	Posted - 2006.11.09 21:10:00 - [57] Originally by: Zissou It's a pity they don't invest some of that revenue in qualified journalists. They're in the business of pleasing their readers, not the companies they write about. And they're pretty good at it, too. I don't read news much but afaik by readership tech news websites go #1 slashdot and #2 inquirer. And the journalist who wrote that article was qualified enough that the only piece in his article that can be disputed as untruth (the fancypants chatroom bit) is passed as 'generally agreed' i.e. opinion and not a fact, protecting himself from a lawsuit.
Skraelingz Gallente Gallente Federal Bank Ratel Alliance	Posted - 2006.11.09 21:27:00 - [58] Originally by: Montague Zooma The Inquirer has an in your face style about everything, not just Eve. I read it regularly, ignore the snarky attitude and pay attention to the root of the story. I use it as a launching point...I read about something there first and then I go looking for a more reliable source for the real scoop. Which, if it were a decent piece of writing to begin with you wouldn't have to do. -----------------------------------------------
Victor Valka Caldari Archon Industries	Posted - 2006.11.09 21:29:00 - [59] Originally by: Futuri Originally by: Zissou It's a pity they don't invest some of that revenue in qualified journalists. They're in the business of pleasing their readers, not the companies they write about. And they're pretty good at it, too. I don't read news much but afaik by readership tech news websites go #1 slashdot and #2 inquirer. And the journalist who wrote that article was qualified enough that the only piece in his article that can be disputed as untruth (the fancypants chatroom bit) is passed as 'generally agreed' i.e. opinion and not a fact, protecting himself from a lawsuit. A journalist that has to use weasel phrases such as "generally agreed" is **. A news-site that is "in the business of pleasing their readers" is hardly an accurate source. Originally by:** Futuri I don't read news much but afaik by readership tech news websites go #1 slashdot and #2 inquirer. Welcome to the internet, where a thousand idiots are smarter then one genius.
Futuri Caldari	Posted - 2006.11.09 21:35:00 - [60] Well, I agree it's a crappy piece of writing and that the inquirer isn't as accurate as NYT or the economist. I was just trying to say that it was silly to dismiss a publication on a major website just because it was bad writing, the damage is done and potential subscribers are lost.
Griffinator Gallente Aliastra	Posted - 2006.11.09 21:49:00 - [61] man i enjoyed that flame the editor bit. below is my reply to that peice of dross. to be honest with you, there are reasons behind the post about lag etc in eve-online,every long term player of eve enjoys the game the only reason it is currently in a state of flux is due to the fact that the hardware is having problems coping with people making the node's crash on purpose which damages the server making it less playable, all those people whining should learn to be patient we dont pay for expansions unlike other games there are no major "you have to be on to learn your skills" there is no grinding you can choose what you want to be ,how about instead of brining the negative out on eve online you bring some of the positive things out try to be unbiased in your representation of eve online such as journalism should be. FLame me hate me i love this game if it was a unbiased piece of literacy then i wouldnt have felt the need to slam them, but it wasn't it was a piece of junk. Enjoy.
Jason Kildaro Minmatar Synergy Alliance	Posted - 2006.11.09 21:52:00 - [62] You guys are too funny. Look at the sentence you are quoting. The article said that the players are disgruntled. How are you going to argue against that? Look at any of the subforums and there is almost no positive threads. Hell, I can count the positive posts on one hand. Almost any individual would come here and come up with that assumption. I tried to recruit a few of my office mates to play the game...they took one look at the forums and are now not even willing to download a free trial. I cannot argue that Eve has been pretty sluggish but don't put down the author or the article. After all it is only citing what we write.
Griffinator Gallente Aliastra	Posted - 2006.11.09 21:56:00 - [63] Originally by: Jason Kildaro After all it is only citing what we write. pretty sure if your gonna put something in print you would do research hell i know i would.
Montague Zooma Imperial Dreams Curatores Veritatis Alliance	Posted - 2006.11.09 22:02:00 - [64] Originally by: Skraelingz Originally by: Montague Zooma The Inquirer has an in your face style about everything, not just Eve. I read it regularly, ignore the snarky attitude and pay attention to the root of the story. I use it as a launching point...I read about something there first and then I go looking for a more reliable source for the real scoop. Which, if it were a decent piece of writing to begin with you wouldn't have to do. Well, I have to admit, one of the main reasons I read it is because of the snarky attitude. Tech news can be very dry. I find the Inquirer entertaining. They're good for hearing about the latest rumors. The trade off is you can't accept anything they say at face value, but I have that attitude about the more legitimate media as well.

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