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robacz
Gallente
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Posted - 2006.11.10 13:00:00 -
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I wonder why so many ppl don't like it? Two unreleased T2 mods will come into game, T1 BPOs will be most likely seeded, prices of named T1 counterparts will drop significantly. Everyone is happy. 
Old T1 BPOs had to be upgraded becose many owners paid billions for them. It would be very unfair to make their investments worthless.
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Tonkin
Black Lance
Dusk and Dawn
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Posted - 2006.11.10 13:02:00 -
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i got alot of t1 bpos, but there market seeded i think.
i see what happens
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Dopefish
Amarr
Quad and Fish
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Posted - 2006.11.10 13:06:00 -
[63]
 Originally by: Silver Lady
T1 CE/SBA were released in the T2 lottery system the same way T2 bpos are, people had to win them and spend research points to claim them, since then they've either been gathering dust, or traded between players for billions of isk (10 billion isk being recent price for SBA1 bpo).
No, you had to run missions, 300 missions, mining missions that you never had to leave the station to do. This was back in the day when +3 implants were 3 mil each, because everyone and their mother and mothers alt ran mining missions. Everyone wanted the miner II bpo however so anyone doing missions for the non minmatar factions felt kinda shafted. I think most of those people have quit or lost their bpo's a long time ago but hey, lets make new bilionaires, it's the CCP way :)
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Old Geeza
The Retirement Home
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Posted - 2006.11.10 13:09:00 -
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Originally by: robacz
I wonder why so many ppl don't like it? Two unreleased T2 mods will come into game, T1 BPOs will be most likely seeded, prices of named T1 counterparts will drop significantly. Everyone is happy.
Old T1 BPOs had to be upgraded becose many owners paid billions for them. It would be very unfair to make their investments worthless.
Many people invest billions in ships and modules that become worthless. Many people invest years in skills that become worthless. Why the **** should T2 BPOs be any different?
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Galk
Gallente
Autumn Tactics
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Posted - 2006.11.10 13:12:00 -
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Two words.
Grow.. yep you guessed it...
Im realy tremendously non to botherd about ccp's decision to drop this bombshell.
Let me explain.
Keyword: unexpected
This is great... for once the metagamers that have shafted the system for long enough now got screwed over (ofc a few would have got lucky) but not all.
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Fogy
Caldari
Euphoria Released
Euphoria Unleashed
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Posted - 2006.11.10 13:19:00 -
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This is just too stupid.
anyways.
if they converted ALL the t1 bpo's into t2..
then what will happen when the game runs out of the t1 modules?
nothing to build the t2 one from.. 
It wont happen though, as the t1 bpo's will probably be seeded through the npc markets... 
Cheers!
Fogy
"From my rotting boddy flowers shall grow and I am in them, and that is eternity"
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Derkan
Shiva
Morsus Mihi
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Posted - 2006.11.10 13:33:00 -
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One example of how screwed up this whole issue is.. Apparently basic expanded prints got upgraded to expanded T1 version, and now they are on escrow for 5-8 billion each in attempt to yet again scam someoen out of their isk. GJ
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Hornymatt
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Posted - 2006.11.10 13:38:00 -
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Originally by: Zissou
Miner 2 and Shield Boost Amplifier were given out as part of the old system. You had to do about 300-500 missions for an agent and you'd get a blueprint mission.
I thought the original Miner2 bpo was given out in an event - dropped by a maruading Jovian ship iirc I seem to recall that that bpo was held by Tetchell (?).
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Ranger 1
Amarr
Shiva
Morsus Mihi
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Posted - 2006.11.10 13:39:00 -
[69]
I think its going to take a while for the screaming to die down before people realize a good thing just happened.
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Serpensis
Gallente
UK Corp
Lotka Volterra
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Posted - 2006.11.10 13:44:00 -
[70]
Originally by: robacz
I wonder why so many ppl don't like it? Two unreleased T2 mods will come into game, T1 BPOs will be most likely seeded, prices of named T1 counterparts will drop significantly. Everyone is happy.
No, wrong. The holders of the BPOs will see to that. The prices wont drop.
Originally by: robacz
Old T1 BPOs had to be upgraded becose many owners paid billions for them. It would be very unfair to make their investments worthless.
Wrong again. They didnt pay for the BPOs, they got them from missions. And now they got them upgraded. I spent billions on BPOs too, including the BS BPOS, do you think CCP will upgrade them?
Not likely.
Those who got the rarest BPO for free some time ago, just got the ultimate BPO for free - again. And the average player got a basebalbat to the head, with the clear message that LUCK has nothing to do with the seeding of t2 BPOs.
Why, please answer this CCP, wasnt the Expanded Cargohold II seeded like other BPOs, but given to the richest players of EVE who already got some of the most lucrative BPOs earlier?
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Serpensis
Gallente
UK Corp
Lotka Volterra
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Posted - 2006.11.10 13:47:00 -
[71]
With the current lack of balance in this game, and with the recent articles on how this game is "evolving", I dont think I will recommend this game to friends.
"Pay, and get frelled. We give all to those who have it all, and nothing to those who try!"
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Saladin
Minmatar
V I R I I
Center for Disease Creation
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Posted - 2006.11.10 13:53:00 -
[72]
Originally by: Driven
How do decisions like this get made anyways? Is it just left to some intern? The receptionist? The cat? Seriously. I am incredibly curious about the process, if it can even be called that.
This, and numerous other decisions of this kind over the last year, demonstrates such an utter lack of concern for players who are into production and R&D that it makes me question why I am playing this game.
This is my sentiment exactly. I wish I knew who exactly came up with this idea.
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Capt Harlock
Band of Builders Inc.
Firmus Ixion
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Posted - 2006.11.10 13:53:00 -
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I just don't really care anymore i've come to the conclusion i'm never gonna get an easy ticket in eve . I'm not rich in RL so i can't afford to buy GTC and sell them and even after over 2 years of playing i still can't afford to buy a semi decent bpo. Some of those t2 bpo's are crap though. The few that are good you either have to be a) rich in RL b) get a drop of a really good bpo from agent so you can afford another really good bpo c) create a buying consortium d) steal one E) pop a ship carrying one F) work hard trading, ratting and/or mining and save for a very long time to buy one. Maybe i'll do F but then with invention who knows whats gonna happen huh.
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Steven Dynahir
Gallente
Avaruuslaivanrakentajat Oyj
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Posted - 2006.11.10 13:54:00 -
[74]
WTF?! X117!
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Harisdrop
Gallente
ClanKillers
Dusk and Dawn
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Posted - 2006.11.10 13:54:00 -
[75]
Edited by: Harisdrop on 10/11/2006 13:55:18
Why dont they just put in the bpo tech I
Originally by: Dwight Hammerhead
. Just because Kali is already in testing. If CCP were actually concerned about what ppl think they would of opened it up for discussion.
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Soulita
Gallente
Inner Core
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Posted - 2006.11.10 13:58:00 -
[76]
Originally by: Derkan
wow, just wow.. this is even more screwed up than the T2 lottery.
QFT. Not much more to say about this realy.
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Smagd
Encina Technologies
Namtz'aar k'in
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Posted - 2006.11.10 13:59:00 -
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Originally by: Victor Valka
It would be funny if this turned out to be a really twisted database bug.
Actually, my personal theory is that someone likes to throw spanners into things just for the hilarity that ensues. If there's such a guy, he must be laughing himself drunk right now. He'll do that again of course once Kali hits and the outrage starts over the Cargo Expander II nerf.
Oh wait, I know the guy's name: He's called Murphy.
Anyway, this wouldn't be the first database upgrade gone rogue like when two things meant for Serenity snuck their way onto Tranquility with the Dragon patch: Jump queues and additional starter systems.
In closing, I'd like to add that I really liked the Tractor Beam BPO spectacle.
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Skyy
Caldari
Veni-Vidi-Vici
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Posted - 2006.11.10 14:01:00 -
[78]
WORST DECISION EVER CCP... so bad I was thinking about taking a break until Kali... now I'm thinking of quitting. What a bull**** system.
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Kur'Dekaija
Solidline Enterprise
Kith of Venal
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Posted - 2006.11.10 14:02:00 -
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lol... to many greedy little whiners out here
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Riho
Red Wrath
Exquisite Malevolance
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Posted - 2006.11.10 14:05:00 -
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WTF
give ppl who allredy have ****laods of cash from rare t1 prints and make them 1000x more richer whit t2 prints....
why couldnt u just put em into lottery and then ppl who have RP could all have had a chance to get em.... wtf is this logic
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Random Caldari
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Posted - 2006.11.10 14:05:00 -
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Disgusted
So what is going to happen when Tech III comes out ?
Are all those players who have Tech II BPO's gonna wake up with nice shiny new Tech III presents in there hanger?
What the hell is the point in the rest of us investing time and trouble in research and industry if you (ccp) are going to unfairly maintain the advantage of established players.
When the First Automobiles came out did God wave his hand and upgrade all the Horse and Carriages up to shiny new Model T-Fords ? just to maintain the status quo and keep the priveledged few happy!
Well I really hope that More Spander II BPO's are gonna get seeded from research system otherwise players have wasted months and years investing in skills and standing.
As time progresses and technology improves shouldn't it be those who endevour that reap the rewards as it is in RL.
Players who ran all those original missions to get BPO's should have something nice to show for it all and they did - but they should have to strive to maintain there advantage It should not be an advantage guaranteed for eternity.
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Grash Freedom
Gallente
MAZA Solutions
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Posted - 2006.11.10 14:06:00 -
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Edited by: Grash Freedom on 10/11/2006 14:07:26
What i fail to see, is an official CCP answer ( if you are still an official entity )
What i suspect is one thing
CCP made these two bpos from tech 1 to tech 2
CCP will give 1 week period time for the old tech 1 holders so they can make the isks plus a lot extra of the the tech 2 version
CCP will change the tech 2 into tech 1 the same way they changed tech 1 to tech 2,
CCP will then seed tech 1 of the market
This is the only logical thing that can happen! Its the only way not to screw the holders of the prints that wasted billions on them, and they will get x3-4 the ammount they invested (fair enough)
If CCP does anything else then.... we are all doomed and i mean that with the worst possible way
EVE market WILL die!
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Bermag
Point-Zero
Ratel Alliance
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Posted - 2006.11.10 14:11:00 -
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Not a big deal IMO. Well, I was hoping that the T2 Expander would be seeded in the lottery (I had been doing R&D in that field just for the chance to get it when seeded).
It might be that T2 Cargo expander might not be much more profitable than the old Cargo Expander Is were. They had a very high profit margin, costing a few k to make and selling for 30-40k. And with T1 production time, bpc copying time making it possible to make a lot of them.
Not sure how many Cargo I BPOs there were though.
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Silver Lady
Gallente
Aliastra
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Posted - 2006.11.10 14:12:00 -
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It seems there is one guy with 5 SBAII bpos, another guy owns 3, theres a few other guys with 2 bpos each, and god knows how many more i dont know about.
I thought ccp wanted 20 of each t2 bpo, there could be loads of SBAII/CEII bpos...
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Cez
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Posted - 2006.11.10 14:12:00 -
[85]
Originally by: Grash Freedom
Edited by: Grash Freedom on 10/11/2006 14:07:26
What i fail to see, is an official CCP answer ( if you are still an official entity )
What i suspect is one thing
CCP made these two bpos from tech 1 to tech 2
CCP will give 1 week period time for the old tech 1 holders so they can make the isks plus a lot extra of the the tech 2 version
CCP will change the tech 2 into tech 1 the same way they changed tech 1 to tech 2,
CCP will then seed tech 1 of the market
This is the only logical thing that can happen! Its the only way not to screw the holders of the prints that wasted billions on them, and they will get x3-4 the ammount they invested (fair enough)
If CCP does anything else then.... we are all doomed and i mean that with the worst possible way
EVE market WILL die!
Simple... release t1 on market... hand t2 thru lottery, LIKE INTENDED!!!!!
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Grash Freedom
Gallente
MAZA Solutions
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Posted - 2006.11.10 14:14:00 -
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Originally by: Silver Lady
It seems there is one guy with 5 SBAII bpos, another guy owns 3, theres a few other guys with 2 bpos each, and god knows how many more i dont know about.
I thought ccp wanted 20 of each t2 bpo, there could be loads of SBAII/CEII bpos...
There are ALOT SBAII bpos
but CEII follows the tech2 motivo few are out there
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Wayback
Cosmic Odyssey
Chorus of Dawn
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Posted - 2006.11.10 14:14:00 -
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I'll add my name on to this. This is sad and some of the most poorly implenmented stunts I've seen to date. So let me get this strait, the population of EVE is going up and the avalibility of new T2 BPO's is almost extinct. So instead of spreading the wealth and maintianing the old system (weather you liked it or not) CCP chose to, in essence, play favorites. Tin foil hat time!! So how many personal CCP friends had this BPO?
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Grash Freedom
Gallente
MAZA Solutions
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Posted - 2006.11.10 14:15:00 -
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Edited by: Grash Freedom on 10/11/2006 14:20:12
Originally by: Cez
Simple... release t1 on market... hand t2 thru lottery, LIKE INTENDED!!!!!
No its not simple because people have already spent 5-10 bils for expander I prints and SBA print even before exodus hit the server, its not fair to screw them up ( i have non of those prints btw )
I feel screwed up with what happened for onyl one reason
I run a small corp which within a year of really hard worked we managed to get into tech 2 producing, and we ****ed worked for it, no lucky lottery no nothing, we where working like there was no tomorrow for one reason only
To reach the lucky ones in game, and we got really close
Now eve for me is nothing, WHY? because eve is all about competition, and i can't compete anyomore not because i am tired, not because i am bored but because its physicly impossible to get anywhere near the sharks after that
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Lord Frost
Minmatar
The Crystal Method
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Posted - 2006.11.10 14:16:00 -
[89]
Originally by: Wayback
I'll add my name on to this. This is sad and some of the most poorly implenmented stunts I've seen to date. So let me get this strait, the population of EVE is going up and the avalibility of new T2 BPO's is almost extinct. So instead of spreading the wealth and maintianing the old system (weather you liked it or not) CCP chose to, in essence, play favorites. Tin foil hat time!! So how many personal CCP friends had this BPO?
I can only theorize that CCP sells isk themselves thru a keen disguise of players accounts with these bpos.
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Ranger 1
Amarr
Shiva
Morsus Mihi
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Posted - 2006.11.10 14:17:00 -
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On the bright side, the T2 lottery doesn't look quite so bad now to many folks.
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