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Nate D Priory of Saints	Posted - 2006.11.13 17:00:00 - [61] Originally by: Khajit Smitty Edited by: Khajit Smitty on 13/11/2006 16:52:32 Edited by: Khajit Smitty on 13/11/2006 16:51:47 Originally by: Nate D Future Features OOG Communication Taken from your thread Nate D, so do tell when is this future feature slated for release ?? Personally i will subscribe to this service as the charge is fairly insignificant HOWEVER during ops i will continue to use vent, Ouf of game comms is vital considering the number of CTD's,LAG crashes, node crashes etc etc that occur when travelling around in a gang. Im not referring to myself just with what i have seen in my time in eve. I still cannot fathom how Out of Game comms was left out of this release, surely they want they community to adopt this feature and a great way would be to provide a replacement to ts/vent aswell as all the new nify kewl gang features. To often i hop onto vent to find out whats going on or just chat in general, and what about those long extended ops where everyone logs for an hour to grab food ?? am i going to have to resort to using MSN to communicate with my gang mates so we can co-ordinate and get going again without leaving people behind. The idea is great, however it still lacks that grab factor!!! And talking like a minmatar slave dog is not a grab factor for me. I do not know, I wish I did. If I find out a schedual for future features I'll be sure to let you know. -NateÖ --- Voice Chat/Vivox Post-Fanfest Update Still waiting for CCP to hire me...! Don't worry... SoonÖ
Jim McGregor Caldari	Posted - 2006.11.13 17:05:00 - [62] Originally by: Harisdrop Vivox will change EVE just like ingame Alliances did. We all needed it but did not realize what it will do to us. As this time approaches: we will be able to recruit better. converse with people that we need to discuss business dealings with meet people that we normally wont not have a chance with. a solar system with 70 in it might actually become very small and friendships will become the norm you wont be in an alliance because of what you can do for yourself but the idea of what the alliance is you wont be in a corp you disagree with on principle and practice. We all will migrate to people that we can stand. I hope it gets those effects. Sounds awesome to me. --- Eve Wiki \| Eve Tribune \| Eve Pirate
Mr Bright untaught Ka-Tet	Posted - 2006.11.13 17:12:00 - [63] Originally by: Nate D 3D Audio. -You hear someone yelling for help to your right... you look over and there he is! Seems to me, that while many of the other features you mention might be worth the price hike - this one seem to indicate more CPU load, as well as several of the others using GUI indicators. Moreover, the value the alliances might be worth it - but its ONLY if everyone in the corp/alliance signs up for it. If just 1 person in the gang/fleet doesn't have it he is cut off from all fleet coms....... Moreover we have the funny thing of "combat/scout alts" Its not unusual to have more than one char active - I know many who have a covert ops alt that is active at the same time as the main char. This would mess up the strict "scout/gang member" division inherent in the suggested system. Question is, if the system have any answer to one person running multiple roles at any given time. So while I do find the idea intriguing, I fear it will only drive a wedge in some corps/alliances betweens those that sign up and those that dont. Moreover the tactical usefulness vs the added CPU load that it integration in the eve client remains to be judged.
Norris Neophitus Minmatar	Posted - 2006.11.13 17:15:00 - [64] What can i say people say there will be no lag which i find hard to believe since if you look hard enough you can find lag in everything and then there is the argument that intergration of VoIP will require extra processing and all kind of things which wont appear as lag but will none the less slow down the client fractionally. As for what i'm seeing here, its seems no one really cares about this feature, if its there it will get used but only if enough people use it. I like the idea and all the features they say its gonna have. Suprising that eve's sideline project will be able to out perform TS and Ventrillo considering its what they do, but i can't see enough people signing up for it without having had it free first. I recomend 3months free trial so everyone has it and gets used to it, then they have to opt out if they dont want it, deceptive market capture AOL style. --------------------------------------------------- \|Phoon = biggest baddest ship in eve-------\| \|Oh and somebody kill all those old unused\| \|secure cans (Personal Crusade)------------\|
D'onryu Shoqui Vengeance of the Fallen Imperium Alliance	Posted - 2006.11.13 17:16:00 - [65] all of that list can be acheived with teamspeak apart from seeing where the person talking is on the map but the odds are if hes talking with you in a channel hes very close to the area you are in. probably be quicker just to say "where are you?" than it is to check the map anyway. ------------------------- I am a nobody of IMP my views are my own.
Jim McGregor Caldari	Posted - 2006.11.13 17:19:00 - [66] Edited by: Jim McGregor on 13/11/2006 17:19:25 Originally by: D'onryu Shoqui all of that list can be acheived with teamspeak apart from seeing where the person talking is on the map but the odds are if hes talking with you in a channel hes very close to the area you are in. probably be quicker just to say "where are you?" than it is to check the map anyway. Well, I havent checked the VOIP feature out, but cant you assign a spot for people on the map and tell everybody to meet there using the map? Like setting their autopilot there automaticly or something. Would be cool. And annoying. --- Eve Wiki \| Eve Tribune \| Eve Pirate
Drilla Shinra Lotka Volterra	Posted - 2006.11.13 17:19:00 - [67] Originally by: Skraelingz The voice quality on TS makes me want to punch babies. People too stupid to figure out how to change codecs/settings in TS makes me wanna punch babies. Seek not to bar my way, for I shall win through - no matter the cost!
Griefer Troll Troll Industries	Posted - 2006.11.13 17:20:00 - [68] As long as the system works from the login screen so login traps are still an option id be more than happy to pay the extra
Naal Morno ECP Rogues Dusk and Dawn	Posted - 2006.11.13 17:37:00 - [69] Originally by: ZelRox Originally by: Ethidium Bromide $10... where i live i get 7 litres of gas for that, that means my car goes for about 80km. so $10 for a year, even if it's a totally wasted purchase, is nothing. Get a better car :D I can drive 100-120km on the same amount :P Seriously....you call you Fiat Pinto (or whatever) a better car? _________________________________________ Once I thought T2 BPO Lottery is a problem... Then I've become a part of problem and I relized that previously I was just plain jealous.
Miki Fin Gallente Independant Union of Rangers	Posted - 2006.11.13 17:39:00 - [70] What I want to know is how the voice chat will be billed? Will it be a one off $10 charge that will cover all of your accounts or will it be restricted to only one, so you have to pay $10 per account?
Nate D Priory of Saints	Posted - 2006.11.13 17:42:00 - [71] Originally by: Miki Fin What I want to know is how the voice chat will be billed? Will it be a one off $10 charge that will cover all of your accounts or will it be restricted to only one, so you have to pay $10 per account? You will pay for 1 voice account and you can use that voice account with any eve char/account. -NateÖ --- Voice Chat/Vivox Post-Fanfest Update Still waiting for CCP to hire me...! Don't worry... SoonÖ
Juwi Kotch Gallente VIRTUAL LIFE VANGUARD	Posted - 2006.11.13 17:44:00 - [72] I can remember an interview around the year 2000 the then acting producer of Ultima Online gave to a game magazine, where he was asked what will be the most important future challenge for MMOGs, the single most important new technology for MMOGs in this decade. He said that voice integration will be that. Looks like EVE has done it . And on the question, if I would pay 10 USD a year. I think I would, however, it actually would be a goldmine compared to the costs and prizing of other voice services. As stated previously, a 1,000 pilot alliance would pay 10,000 USD a year. That is much, much more then any other service would cost. Juwi Kotch
Crucifier The Collective Against ALL Authorities	Posted - 2006.11.13 17:51:00 - [73] Nothing in it that real alliances dont have on ts already. Ofc it would come very handy for ascn since i bet their ts is complete chaos.
Patch86 Di-Tron Heavy Industries Freelancer Alliance	Posted - 2006.11.13 17:51:00 - [74] Originally by: Hllaxiu An 800 man alliance can buy one hell of a TS server for $8000 a year... Hell, $8000 will cover EVE Radio's bandwidth donations for over a year! This man makes an important point. $10 a year might not sound alot, but its a gigantic mark up on the actual cost of running the service. Its not nice having to pay through the teeth for something when it's equivalent is freely available many times cheaper. Bring the price down to cost + reasonable profit, and then we'll talk. I'd be tempted just to ask every alliance member just to forward me $10, and we could buy a TS super server, with bandwidth to spare to run your forums and all your file hosting needs, and spend the other few thousand on a alliance-fest party -----------------------------------------------
Fi T'Zeh Evolution Band of Brothers	Posted - 2006.11.13 17:54:00 - [75] Until I can still talk on the VoIP software when the server / client crashes it is of no interest at all. .... Real men use blasters
MysticNZ Solstice Systems Development Concourse	Posted - 2006.11.13 17:55:00 - [76] wow.. moaning over $10/yr ... -=====- Xorus is teh nub :D I heard that beats player with big stick now be a good carebear and mine me some veldspar - Xorus
Harisdrop Gallente ClanKillers Dusk and Dawn	Posted - 2006.11.13 17:58:00 - [77] Originally by: D'onryu Shoqui all of that list can be acheived with teamspeak apart from seeing where the person talking is on the map but the odds are if hes talking with you in a channel hes very close to the area you are in. probably be quicker just to say "where are you?" than it is to check the map anyway. Everyone can just join your Teamspeak server. Woot give us the IP.... Originally by: Dwight Hammerhead . Just because Kali is already in testing. If CCP were actually concerned about what ppl think they would of opened it up for discussion.
Nate D Priory of Saints	Posted - 2006.11.13 18:00:00 - [78] Originally by: Harisdrop Originally by: D'onryu Shoqui all of that list can be acheived with teamspeak apart from seeing where the person talking is on the map but the odds are if hes talking with you in a channel hes very close to the area you are in. probably be quicker just to say "where are you?" than it is to check the map anyway. Everyone can just join your Teamspeak server. Woot give us the IP.... /me hugs Harisdrop <3 -NateÖ --- Voice Chat/Vivox Post-Fanfest Update Still waiting for CCP to hire me...! Don't worry... SoonÖ
Harisdrop Gallente ClanKillers Dusk and Dawn	Posted - 2006.11.13 18:00:00 - [79] Originally by: Crucifier Nothing in it that real alliances dont have on ts already. Ofc it would come very handy for ascn since i bet their ts is complete chaos. Alliance TS is like little buckets of people that are in thier own little world. When ops come the buckets get filled. If you think Vivox will change the game for worse your right about one thing. It will change the game. Originally by: Dwight Hammerhead . Just because Kali is already in testing. If CCP were actually concerned about what ppl think they would of opened it up for discussion.
fnar g Coreli Corporation Corelum Syndicate	Posted - 2006.11.13 18:06:00 - [80] Originally by: Nate D your opinion of the sound quality is... wrong... because factually it will be better. It sounds like you're saying it will sound better than TS/Vent, can you expand on that a bit and say why? Are they using proprietary codecs? From reading the Vivox website it seems their main selling point is the integration with client software rather than anything new on the actual VoIP side.
Allen Deckard Gallente WTB Supplies	Posted - 2006.11.13 18:21:00 - [81] kinda funny things I can see as a disadvantage. We run a ts server we had a member once that that seemed very nice on type. We let him on ts. OMG most people quit logging into ts because of this single person being so irritating. Drunks, Cant tell me on a sat night some of your friends you wouldn't mind not hearing their chatter. hehe Local voice? OMG imagine the smak talk. Again local imagine jita. if you want to move people out of the core systems local voice would take care of that hehe Trade voice chats? Dont even wanna go there. Imagine how large your mute list is gonna be :) Kids in the house? Well mutes will help this but at times not before the damage has been done. OH well. I'll probably get it. I see advantages. Wonder if it's gonna work though with ts running in the background will be currious about that. With our group we have friends that log on to our ts frequently that don't and never have played eve but are still good friends and me nor my circle of friends will give that up.
Nate D Priory of Saints	Posted - 2006.11.13 18:32:00 - [82] Originally by: Allen Deckard kinda funny things I can see as a disadvantage. We run a ts server we had a member once that that seemed very nice on type. We let him on ts. OMG most people quit logging into ts because of this single person being so irritating. Drunks, Cant tell me on a sat night some of your friends you wouldn't mind not hearing their chatter. hehe Local voice? OMG imagine the smak talk. Again local imagine jita. if you want to move people out of the core systems local voice would take care of that hehe Trade voice chats? Dont even wanna go there. Imagine how large your mute list is gonna be :) Kids in the house? Well mutes will help this but at times not before the damage has been done. OH well. I'll probably get it. I see advantages. Wonder if it's gonna work though with ts running in the background will be currious about that. With our group we have friends that log on to our ts frequently that don't and never have played eve but are still good friends and me nor my circle of friends will give that up. Kids... You can't control what people say on TS either. Local smack... don't join local voice if you don't want to hear it. Drunks, anoying people, little kids... I completely understand You could always make a channel just for you and your friends... I have 1 of those it spans multiple corps and alliances... it's great! -NateÖ --- Voice Chat/Vivox Post-Fanfest Update Still waiting for CCP to hire me...! Don't worry... SoonÖ
Harisdrop Gallente ClanKillers Dusk and Dawn	Posted - 2006.11.13 18:36:00 - [83] Originally by: NoWeR Originally by: Fi T'Zeh Until I can still talk on the VoIP software when the server / client crashes it is of no interest at all. This is the most and only important point here. This Can be the best software ever and have perfect sound and no lag, but if when i crash i cant talk...... utility > all the features in the world In the kali forums you will see Vivox not only works out of game you can connect to an ingame channel from anywhere. If you are soo hung up on your login trap just have TS open when you want to pew pew everyone. Heck I dont think everyone has to be on Vivox or your forced. It will be sad to see people goto mass player convos and you and your TS and Vent world becomes very small. Its not anyone forces you to live the life you lead. We are just saying once you see your 1954 car is old no matter how much paint you put on it still is old. EVE is goiung to change and either you sit in your 1954 or you go with a new model. I wonder if people will fuss with the new Vista OS since they will have to change thier hardware!!!!!!!! If the dont then they can wait 5 years before they are forced. Originally by: Dwight Hammerhead . Just because Kali is already in testing. If CCP were actually concerned about what ppl think they would of opened it up for discussion.
MysticNZ Solstice Systems Development Concourse	Posted - 2006.11.13 18:36:00 - [84] I'm gona be logging on just to have a smack fest in jita -=====- Xorus is teh nub :D I heard that beats player with big stick now be a good carebear and mine me some veldspar - Xorus
Harisdrop Gallente ClanKillers Dusk and Dawn	Posted - 2006.11.13 18:37:00 - [85] Edited by: Harisdrop on 13/11/2006 18:37:46 Originally by: MysticNZ I'm gona be logging on just to have a smack fest in jita Its only player generated channels not local or game made channels. There are certain rules that will be followed. certain alliance channels will be interesting.... me looks at 2 with over 300 players.... Originally by: Dwight Hammerhead . Just because Kali is already in testing. If CCP were actually concerned about what ppl think they would of opened it up for discussion.
Joshua Foiritain Gallente Coreli Corporation Corelum Syndicate	Posted - 2006.11.13 18:44:00 - [86] Originally by: Harisdrop In the kali forums you will see Vivox not only works out of game you can connect to an ingame channel from anywhere. As for the out of game chat, apart from the "Comi9ng in 2008" listing i cant seem to find it... Originally by: Harisdrop It will be sad to see people goto mass player convos and you and your TS and Vent world becomes very small. Oh imagine the horror... Normal people don't cyber with other men... ----- [Coreli Corporation Mainframe]
Thaylon Sen The Rat Pack	Posted - 2006.11.13 18:52:00 - [87] Originally by: Jim McGregor Or better yet, as a part of the subscription. But we rabbled quite a lot about that before with no results. But I still think its a good idea. Raise the monthly from $15 to $16 and be done with it... So say we all! (well i do anyway)
Marsh Mallow	Posted - 2006.11.13 18:54:00 - [88] Edited by: Marsh Mallow on 13/11/2006 18:54:11 As long as the voice goes down when the client or server crashes, it will be useless. After they fix this part, we can start comparing features with TS.
Laythun Undercover Brothers	Posted - 2006.11.13 18:55:00 - [89] WOW somply amazing. You guys are *****ing about 10 dollars a year?? how tha hell do u pay for eve?? $10 is almost nothing. Undercover Brothers It's great being Amarr, aint it?Ö
EndersGame Amarr Black Eclipse Corp Band of Brothers	Posted - 2006.11.13 18:55:00 - [90] I think people are loosing sight of the fact that this is something that allows you to cumminicate with people in local or alliance or a private chat channel.. with people that you would normally NEVER invite to your TS or ventrillo server. Ie it simply adds more options to talk to people.. so for 10 dollars a year.. i think its worth that.

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