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Joshua Foiritain Gallente Coreli Corporation Corelum Syndicate	Posted - 2006.11.14 12:18:00 - [151] Originally by: Crumplecorn Whaaaaambulance Funny, id say youre ranked among the top 5 whiners in this topic. ----- [Coreli Corporation Mainframe]
Tommy Vercetti Minmatar A.W.M	Posted - 2006.11.14 12:46:00 - [152] 10 dollars is insignificant in terms of cash, however its only useful if all members of the corp who like to participate in ops buy it. If some guys use GTC's (I do as I don't have a credit card and live in Australia), how will this be incorporated with the extra charges? Another guy hit it on the head, why not just up the price a dollar a month and chuck it in as standard. Saves the hassle of voip/no voip corpies. Originally by: Pestillence It's a game where we fly around in eggs with tubes up our arses. If I want reality I'll go outside.
Crumplecorn Gallente Aerial Boundaries Inc. Interstellar Starbase Syndicate	Posted - 2006.11.14 12:46:00 - [153] Originally by: Joshua Foiritain Originally by: Crumplecorn Whaaaaambulance Funny, id say youre ranked among the top 5 whiners in this topic. At least, I'd be number one if I had more time to watch the topic. But I'm whining about the whiners, not the product ---------- IBTL \o/
Taram Caldar Caldari Acheron Vanguard Armada The Shadow Ascension	Posted - 2006.11.14 12:57:00 - [154] Edited by: Taram Caldar on 14/11/2006 13:02:49 Originally by: Nate D Originally by: evistin I am not being mean, I am being realistic, no matter how many features the voice system has, it can't beat the sheer flexability of TS and vent in the long run. If EVE voice can do everything that TS/Vent can do... and a lot more... And it takes out all the hassle that goes with TS/Vent... How is it any less flexable? Your logic understand I don't... -NateÖ NATE Please show me where I can connect to vivox when NOT running the EVE client. IE: If I'm in Guild Wars... can I be connected? No, I cannot. Thus it is not as flexible. Period... end of discussion... I am really getting sick of the rose colored glasses posts about how wonderfully fantastic this app is. It's just NOT flexible if it's tied to a client that CTD's more often than friggen Win95 had to be rebooted during a software install. I also have yet to see anyone explain how this supposedly has better audio than Ventrillo (which has superb audio quality). Maybe it's audio is phenomenal over a LAN... but over a international hop across the atlantic to the USA? I somehow doubt it's any better than TS using good codecs or Vent using normal settings.
Joshua Foiritain Gallente Coreli Corporation Corelum Syndicate	Posted - 2006.11.14 13:06:00 - [155] Edited by: Joshua Foiritain on 14/11/2006 13:07:31 Originally by: Crumplecorn Originally by: Joshua Foiritain Originally by: Crumplecorn Whaaaaambulance Funny, id say youre ranked among the top 5 whiners in this topic. At least, I'd be number one if I had more time to watch the topic. But I'm whining about the whiners, not the product In the end its still whining. Edit: I WANT FEMALE VOICE MASKS SO I CAN CYBER PEOPLE AND THEN LAUGH AT THEM AS I TURN OFF THE VOICE MASK, HAR HAR HAR HAR. ----- [Coreli Corporation Mainframe]
Nikita Fontaine Caldari g guild	Posted - 2006.11.14 13:20:00 - [156] man there are some stingy people in here... let me think.... ...2 pints of beer (lasts approx 30 minutes) OR ... a YEARS service with awesome sound quality/features etc is the answer really that hard? ----------------------------------------------- Great minds think alike but fools seldom differ Directors are like buttons they hold things together.
Crumplecorn Gallente Aerial Boundaries Inc. Interstellar Starbase Syndicate	Posted - 2006.11.14 13:28:00 - [157] Originally by: Taram Caldar Edited by: Taram Caldar on 14/11/2006 13:02:49 Originally by: Nate D Originally by: evistin I am not being mean, I am being realistic, no matter how many features the voice system has, it can't beat the sheer flexability of TS and vent in the long run. If EVE voice can do everything that TS/Vent can do... and a lot more... And it takes out all the hassle that goes with TS/Vent... How is it any less flexable? Your logic understand I don't... -NateÖ NATE Please show me where I can connect to vivox when NOT running the EVE client. IE: If I'm in Guild Wars... can I be connected? No, I cannot. Thus it is not as flexible. Period... end of discussion... That is not inflexibility, that is it being a different product. IG VOIP!=OOG VOIP. If you want to be connected to the VOIP server but not the game, it isn't in-game voice comms your looking for, is it? So how can you complain that in-game voice comms has this 'problem'. ---------- IBTL \o/
Crumplecorn Gallente Aerial Boundaries Inc. Interstellar Starbase Syndicate	Posted - 2006.11.14 13:30:00 - [158] Originally by: Joshua Foiritain Edited by: Joshua Foiritain on 14/11/2006 13:07:31 Originally by: Crumplecorn Originally by: Joshua Foiritain Originally by: Crumplecorn Whaaaaambulance Funny, id say youre ranked among the top 5 whiners in this topic. At least, I'd be number one if I had more time to watch the topic. But I'm whining about the whiners, not the product In the end its still whining. Edit: I WANT FEMALE VOICE MASKS SO I CAN CYBER PEOPLE AND THEN LAUGH AT THEM AS I TURN OFF THE VOICE MASK, HAR HAR HAR HAR. a) Yes. Yes it is. b) No. Just no. Really, no. ---------- IBTL \o/
Taram Caldar Caldari Acheron Vanguard Armada The Shadow Ascension	Posted - 2006.11.14 13:37:00 - [159] Originally by: Crumplecorn Originally by: Taram Caldar Edited by: Taram Caldar on 14/11/2006 13:02:49 Originally by: Nate D Originally by: evistin I am not being mean, I am being realistic, no matter how many features the voice system has, it can't beat the sheer flexability of TS and vent in the long run. If EVE voice can do everything that TS/Vent can do... and a lot more... And it takes out all the hassle that goes with TS/Vent... How is it any less flexable? Your logic understand I don't... -NateÖ NATE Please show me where I can connect to vivox when NOT running the EVE client. IE: If I'm in Guild Wars... can I be connected? No, I cannot. Thus it is not as flexible. Period... end of discussion... That is not inflexibility, that is it being a different product. IG VOIP!=OOG VOIP. If you want to be connected to the VOIP server but not the game, it isn't in-game voice comms your looking for, is it? So how can you complain that in-game voice comms has this 'problem'. Yes it is. When your arguement is that it is "better" than comparable products that we already have using that as an arguement why we should be paying extra for it. The fact is it's just a different product. It's got a different feature set and is more LIMITED in use. So why would we switch to it? Most of the 'improvements' are unique to EVE only which is ok... but they don't justify a fee for a service most players already get through their alliances free of charge. Why would anyone pay for something they alredy get free? What about this service justifies a 1,000% increase in fees over it's competition? Nothing. It offers a few in-game widgets that are, while useful, completely un-necessary to the average player. So there's no reason for the average player to get it. Thus not everyone will have it, which further lowers it's value. Add to that the fact that we'll already have to keep our Vent/TS servers and it begs the question: If I have to use 2 solutions to get barely more functionality than I already have with 1..... why would I want two, one of which I have to pay for? Sure, it's only $10 a year. No big deal but it's next to useless if even just a few people don't use it. And as long as they don't see it as a wise investment that's going to be the case. As to raising the cost for EVE? I don't see why? Many other MMO's are offering VOIP in-game, free of charge. It begs the question: If the cost for this service is only $10/year per player why doesn't CCP just absorb the cost? $10/year/player is peanuts compared to what they're raking in ($150+/year/ACCOUNT)
Joshua Foiritain Gallente Coreli Corporation Corelum Syndicate	Posted - 2006.11.14 13:47:00 - [160] Originally by: Crumplecorn Originally by: Joshua Foiritain Edit: I WANT FEMALE VOICE MASKS SO I CAN CYBER PEOPLE AND THEN LAUGH AT THEM AS I TURN OFF THE VOICE MASK, HAR HAR HAR HAR. No. Just no. Really, no. 1: Oh yeah babeh rub that spot 1: Hey touch that bump 2: You have a bump? 1: Hahahaha sucker! ----- [Coreli Corporation Mainframe]
Jim McGregor Caldari	Posted - 2006.11.14 13:50:00 - [161] I wonder how long it takes for the VOIP thing to turn into phone sex for iskies... --- Eve Wiki \| Eve Tribune \| Eve Pirate
Nate D Priory of Saints	Posted - 2006.11.14 14:04:00 - [162] Originally by: Jim McGregor I wonder how long it takes for the VOIP thing to turn into phone sex for iskies... Yes... that's actually my plan for this whole thing... I'll be running my IPO over in the market discussions forum! Go check it out! -NateÖ --- Voice Chat/Vivox Post-Fanfest Update Still waiting for CCP to hire me...! Don't worry... SoonÖ
Joshua Foiritain Gallente Coreli Corporation Corelum Syndicate	Posted - 2006.11.14 14:05:00 - [163] Originally by: Nate D Originally by: Jim McGregor I wonder how long it takes for the VOIP thing to turn into phone sex for iskies... Yes... that's actually my plan for this whole thing... I'll be running my IPO over in the market discussions forum! Go check it out! -NateÖ Looking for phone operators? Whadda ya paying Im gonna be an Intersteller Phone Pimp. Keep the pimp hand strong *****es! ----- [Coreli Corporation Mainframe]
Taram Caldar Caldari Acheron Vanguard Armada The Shadow Ascension	Posted - 2006.11.14 14:06:00 - [164] Originally by: Nate D IF eve voice can do everything TS/Vent can do... Just because it currently doesn't meet up with your OOG standards doesn't mean that it wont in the future. The potential of the product is absolutly astounding! BTW... my glasses aren't rose colored... they're pink. -NateÖ This one part is the killer for me, and for EVERYONE I've talked to about this in alliance.... nobody wants it until it matches the OOG functionality. Because OOG communications are equally as important in coordinating ops and getting reinforcements as IG comms are. Actually in many ways they're MORE important. On any given night some of our more casual members are playing other games. But if we need combat reinforcements they're typically only a channel away on our voice comms. In Vivox we won't have that option. So why switch to it until we do? I just don't feel that the utility, while it has promise, is worth paying $5,000/year for our corp. Especially when we have a dedicated Vent server for a whopping $20 (covers the ENTIRE alliance) that supports all our EVE needs as well as our OOG and other game needs. We've got folks who play DAOC, Guild Wars, WoW, Counterstrike, BF1942, BF2142 etc. All on our server.... we can reach out and touch them on a moment's notice anytime we need more ships in system. Vivox can't do that. And that ONE feature is _huge_. Currently, until that is available there is no way most of our members intend to waste $10 on it. It's just a fact. I'm not saying it's not decent quality. I haven't used it. I am just saying that currently it's not worth the money. Not by a long... long... long shot. $5,000 vs $20 You be the judge... which would YOU pay for? Or ask your alliance to pay for?
Harisdrop Gallente ClanKillers Dusk and Dawn	Posted - 2006.11.14 14:07:00 - [165] Originally by: Taram Caldar stuff I think you miss the point. The difference between VIVOX and TS/Vent is anyone can use VIVOX for comms. Therre is no restriction between the parties to voice talk on a random moment. Your in local and hear some interesting news you look at the guys bio and see he has a channel. You ask for an invite and boom you are in the conversation. Tell me you can do that with your TS/Vent. How many times you get the IP and only to sit in the entrance until you are dragged to a channel. Tell me how fast it is to get to voice. Tell me you SA will allow you just to let anyone in the server. Tell me you would allow a war target on your server? If an individual wanted to do soo with VIVOX he can now. I am not saying you cant do it without VIVOX I am saying players will be using VIVOX cause it makes a better game. Originally by: Dwight Hammerhead . Just because Kali is already in testing. If CCP were actually concerned about what ppl think they would of opened it up for discussion.
Joshua Foiritain Gallente Coreli Corporation Corelum Syndicate	Posted - 2006.11.14 14:08:00 - [166] Originally by: Nate D Just because it currently doesn't meet up with your OOG standards doesn't mean that it wont in the future. The potential of the product is absolutly astounding! Nobody is saying otherwise, anyone who doesnt like Vivox comes is saying itnt anywhere near as useful as Vent/Ts in its current state. That and the mass cybering sessions Harris keeps talking about sounds somewhat disturbing. ----- [Coreli Corporation Mainframe]
Harisdrop Gallente ClanKillers Dusk and Dawn	Posted - 2006.11.14 14:10:00 - [167] Originally by: Taram Caldar $5,000 vs $20 You be the judge... which would YOU pay for? Or ask your alliance to pay for? If members are in game and not on TS/Vent would you mind if they are in VIVOX? Originally by: Dwight Hammerhead . Just because Kali is already in testing. If CCP were actually concerned about what ppl think they would of opened it up for discussion.
Royaldo KVA Noble Inc. THE H0RDE	Posted - 2006.11.14 14:11:00 - [168] 1. i got a bloody job 2. im also a student 3. i got both ts and vent for FREE. 4. what it costs pr year doesnt matter, I DONT NEED IT. 5. you fanboys need a life.
Nate D Priory of Saints	Posted - 2006.11.14 14:17:00 - [169] Edited by: Nate D on 14/11/2006 14:19:48 Originally by: Royaldo 1. i got a bloody job 2. im also a student 3. i got both ts and vent for FREE. 4. what it costs pr year doesnt matter, I DONT NEED IT. 5. you fanboys need a life. /me coughs... 1. I have a job (haha I work for Cold Stone Creamery... the ice cream place!) 2. I am also a student I'm a Sophmore in college this year. 3. I prefer TS over vent but I got them for free as well. 4. I make enough tips in the winter working at an ice cream place to pay for that $10 a year charge. 5. I have a very active life and a very big ego... the women love me! <3 -NateÖ --- Voice Chat/Vivox Post-Fanfest Update Still waiting for CCP to hire me...! Don't worry... SoonÖ
Joshua Foiritain Gallente Coreli Corporation Corelum Syndicate	Posted - 2006.11.14 14:19:00 - [170] Originally by: Nate D 4. I make enough tips in the winter working at an ice cream place to pay for that $10 a year charge. Wait you guys sell ice cream in the winter? Around here everything remotely ice cream related closes ----- [Coreli Corporation Mainframe]
Taram Caldar Caldari Acheron Vanguard Armada The Shadow Ascension	Posted - 2006.11.14 14:22:00 - [171] Edited by: Taram Caldar on 14/11/2006 14:23:04 Originally by: Harisdrop Originally by: Taram Caldar stuff I think you miss the point. The difference between VIVOX and TS/Vent is anyone can use VIVOX for comms. Therre is no restriction between the parties to voice talk on a random moment. There's no restriction between parties on our vent server either. If you're a member of the alliance you have access to all member channels. Quote: Your in local and hear some interesting news you look at the guys bio and see he has a channel. You ask for an invite and boom you are in the conversation. Tell me you can do that with your TS/Vent. How many times you get the IP and only to sit in the entrance until you are dragged to a channel. Tell me how fast it is to get to voice. Tell me you SA will allow you just to let anyone in the server. Err... no thanks... And I have never 'sat at the entrance' on our alliance servers. If you are a member you are granted access and can move to whatever channel you need to freely except a few administrative/locked down channels that only certain folks are allowed in. I don't see the 'general chat' feature of Vivox as a bonus really. I barely pay attention to local as it is other than to watch for unfriendlies when working in 0.0 or lowsec. Quote: Tell me you would allow a war target on your server? If an individual wanted to do soo with VIVOX he can now. Err... why would I want to? LOL You're arguing moot points here. I don't use VOIP as a social outlet. It's a tool for improved operations performance. Sure our alliance members chat it up in the general channels and such but it's a tool, not a social club. Quote: I am not saying you cant do it without VIVOX I am saying players will be using VIVOX cause it makes a better game. Then explain why everyone I've asked in game specifically stated they don't intend to pay for it? I think 3 of the 15 folks that were discussing it last night said they were definitely going to get it. 2 others (myself included) said we are thinking about it. I just don't feel that vivox is ready to be released as a fee based service. If it allowed OOG comms as well? SURE I'd jump all over $10 a year for it. But now? I just don't see the point. I get more utility out of Vent/TS by a mile. Like I said: I don't care about idle chit-chat. I can use text for that just fine. Matter of fact I prefer text for that because I don't have to pay attention constantly. I can look up and see what the guy said 5 minutes ago and respond to it. No... IG Coms are for one thing for me (and for most members of my alliance): Coordinating in game operations/events. Not idle chatter so much. In fact idle chatter is generally discouraged except in the general chat channel. Which anyone in any game can participate in. So we can keep up with our friends in other games as well. I have a free solution that I like. Why would I pay money for one that I don't find as useful that has a few bells and whistles that I'll rarely, if ever, use and lacks the 1 feature that I use a lot?
Nate D Priory of Saints	Posted - 2006.11.14 14:23:00 - [172] Originally by: Joshua Foiritain Originally by: Nate D 4. I make enough tips in the winter working at an ice cream place to pay for that $10 a year charge. Wait you guys sell ice cream in the winter? Around here everything remotely ice cream related closes Yeah... when it first starts to get cold the business is dead... but just before Christmas we get a lot of gift card people coming in... and then about mid-Jan people start missing their ice cream fix... and...well... we get REALLY busy again. And it stays like that untill next fall when it gets cold again. --- Voice Chat/Vivox Post-Fanfest Update Still waiting for CCP to hire me...! Don't worry... SoonÖ
Taram Caldar Caldari Acheron Vanguard Armada The Shadow Ascension	Posted - 2006.11.14 14:25:00 - [173] Originally by: Harisdrop Originally by: Taram Caldar $5,000 vs $20 You be the judge... which would YOU pay for? Or ask your alliance to pay for? If members are in game and not on TS/Vent would you mind if they are in VIVOX? If members are in game and not on TS/Vent then they aren't involved in the op and I could care less what they do with their money. What I am saying is that unless EVERYONE in the alliance that participates in ops pays for this it is USELESS. Right now we can REQUIRE everyone to be in Vent when we run an op because it's Free. You can't say "sorry either buy vivox or you can't come to the op"... well.. I guess YOU could... but I won't. And neither will our officers. Everyone keeps saying how wunnerful this is. I'm just saying it's not useful to alliances currently because most people we've talked to don't consider it worth the fee.
Taram Caldar Caldari Acheron Vanguard Armada The Shadow Ascension	Posted - 2006.11.14 14:26:00 - [174] Originally by: Nate D Edited by: Nate D on 14/11/2006 14:19:48 Originally by: Royaldo 1. i got a bloody job 2. im also a student 3. i got both ts and vent for FREE. 4. what it costs pr year doesnt matter, I DONT NEED IT. 5. you fanboys need a life. /me coughs... 1. I have a job (haha I work for Cold Stone Creamery... the ice cream place!) 2. I am also a student I'm a Sophmore in college this year. 3. I prefer TS over vent but I got them for free as well. 4. I make enough tips in the winter working at an ice cream place to pay for that $10 a year charge. 5. I have a very active life and a very big ego... the women love me! <3 -NateÖ You are welcome to spend your money however you wish. But there is a saying: Rich people don't get rich by frittering their money away. They get rich by not buying things they have no need for.
Kylania Gallente	Posted - 2006.11.14 14:28:00 - [175] When I first heard this was going to be a pay service I was fearing it would be $3-4 a month and that would have been insane. But $10 a year? That's completely free. I loose more than $10 by throwing pennies at my office coworkers. If it's $10 a year, bring it on, even if I never use it. -- Lil Miner Newbie Skills Roadmap \| CCG Card Lookup
Crumplecorn Gallente Aerial Boundaries Inc. Interstellar Starbase Syndicate	Posted - 2006.11.14 14:28:00 - [176] Originally by: Taram Caldar So why would we switch to it? Most of the 'improvements' are unique to EVE only which is ok... but they don't justify a fee for a service most players already get through their alliances free of charge. Why would anyone pay for something they alredy get free? What about this service justifies a 1,000% increase in fees over it's competition? Nothing. It offers a few in-game widgets that are, while useful, completely un-necessary to the average player. So there's no reason for the average player to get it. Thus not everyone will have it, which further lowers it's value. The only situation in which TS/Vent are better is outside Eve, which is a pretty pointless scenario to look at when you are discussing in-game voice comms. Forget about wanting to talk to people outside the game, forget about playing other games, this is part of Eve and in Eve it does more than any other product can because it is integrated. Is it worth the price? I think so, but that's not what I'm arguing about anyway. Will it succeed or fail dismally? I don't know. All I'm saying is, the argument that you already get this for free with TS/Vent is wrong. You don't. You can't. Apples and oranges. As for the argument that it is useless unless everyone signs up for it, that is *******s of the highest order. Not only do I myself get along with virtually no TS/Vent usage, I have seen many people who haven't even heard of them when first invited to a VOIP session, and I've even seen someone who refuses to use them. There are some situations where voice comms are preferable obviously, and in these situtions it's generally a case of get TS/Vent or get out. But if (and I stress if) this delivers the wonderous gang stuff it is supposed to that makes life so much easier for fleet commaders, the people who want to stick with TS/Vent will probably be told to sod off as much as the people who won't download TS/Vent. If a few people refuse to sign up for it all they will do is limit themselves. All that matters is the majority. ---------- IBTL \o/
evistin Multiverse Corporation	Posted - 2006.11.14 14:39:00 - [177] Edited by: evistin on 14/11/2006 14:43:10 Originally by: Jim McGregor I wonder how long it takes for the VOIP thing to turn into phone sex for iskies... Day 1 for sure. :P I will pay for it too!! lol.. Well to the point of VoIP, Taram Caldar and I agree on this and it makes senes. To the individal player, its really your choice, if you prefer vent or TS or Kali Voip its your choice. We are happy if you like to spend your money on it. While features are arguable, its clear not everything is ready, so I will reserve judgement till we have a proper full feature list and its on TQ. But the considering on how the pricing is being managed is something else. Asking your guys to mine, is fine, asking your guys to pvp in battle is all well and good. But I do not think any ceo has crossed the line and asked the members to fork out RL money. I really would like to see which CEO would order all their players to pay more money, is this really within the domain of our authority? yes $10 is not a lot to alot of people, but considering 99% of the community gets it for free anyway....that cost increase is really not even 2^1024 times more, its infintly more. When you look at it this way, its really expensive, but this is one POV. the other POV is its less than $1 a month no harm paying for it. Again nothing wrong. What I really wanted most out of this was to spread the cost out.(yes I was going to ask my corp mates to pay) A good server is like $150 a month(1000 people), and usally only 1 guys pays for it. Thats a lot of money to this one guy, and I hate to have him paying for it purely out of his pocket. I was going to ask my guys to give like $3 - 4 each year to a paypal account to cover costs. This was my main hope, 50 cents a month to everyone is not much, but at least the guy who is paying $150 feels better about it. Kali VoIP offers me this, but at $10 US dollars, its $16 to me in Sydney, and to some of my players its even more. I really need to look at currency exchange rates here, its a lot more to alot of player. Not everyone who plays, can say $10 a yr thats no problem. Every little bit helps. As a CEO, I think its important I actually control the website and TS/vent server, had players leave me before taking away these things, so controlling it is important. $7 a month for hosting, $15 a month for eve $30 for little vent server Thats $52 US a month, thats what I guess most player will pay if they are in a similar suitation. I really do not want to be paying for something I do need. For all those who think $10 yr is not a lot, it adds up quick, I can tell you that. So the decision is really yours, if you want to pay for it or not, as a CEO, I got no choice really. I must get it, because its important to have the function when you need it. So for the poor souls who are already paying $600US ($1000 AU) a year to play eve, can you please have some consideration. ----------- Management and Leadership
Crumplecorn Gallente Aerial Boundaries Inc. Interstellar Starbase Syndicate	Posted - 2006.11.14 14:50:00 - [178] Originally by: evistin but considering 99% of the community gets it for free anyway.... Crumplecorn twitches slightly, a glazed expression comes over his eyes, and he wanders slowly out the door ---------- IBTL \o/
evistin Multiverse Corporation	Posted - 2006.11.14 14:55:00 - [179] lol sorry, It grew by a page of post, before I finish writing it. ----------- Management and Leadership
Mikal Drey	Posted - 2006.11.14 15:09:00 - [180] Yes. $10 per year is a good price . . especially as i spend alot more than that on, Beer . . Mc D's . . PiZza . . K'Bab . . Hell am I the only one who thinks the monthly sub is too high $10 a year :) BTW Can we Pay in isk ..

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