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Vazion TOHA Heavy Industries	Posted - 2006.11.14 03:27:00 - [121] Edited by: Vazion on 14/11/2006 03:28:46 Originally by: Niccolado Starwalker Nope sir, Im a EVE Online FAN! The Poster in Question! As you can see, it also have the signatures to a lot of the Devs!! Nice eh!?? I have a question..Who eats that much babybell(I think thats the brand..) cheese..? I won't be getting the VOIP..As I am overly self-conscious about my voice and will stab anyone in the juggular who says anything about it. You've been warned. Make good of it. PS: Its $.84 per month..Come on now..You can gather that much up from the change in the car in a couple minutes.. $.03 a day. ---
Crumplecorn Gallente Aerial Boundaries Inc. Interstellar Starbase Syndicate	Posted - 2006.11.14 03:38:00 - [122] This thread has reached new highs for Eve players complaining about something they know sweet **** all about. Congratulations to you all. ---------- IBTL \o/
Miss Overlord Gallente EUROPEANS	Posted - 2006.11.14 03:48:00 - [123] as it stands tbh some corps will only recruit with the ingame VOIP - others will use GTCs to offset any credit card payments its easy enough living in 0.0 to save the iskies the farmers make a profit to
w0rmy Intensive CareBearz Imperium Alliance	Posted - 2006.11.14 03:57:00 - [124] Originally by: Xorus The kali VOIP will easily be worth the $10 fee, the reason the quality is bad at present is because its running off the test server instead of a Vivox server just so they can work on client integration so ignore it if its bad :) Yes, paying for a lower quality service than I can already host for free, that doesnt work in between server crashes, downtime and client crashes... ** that sounds like a bargain!! Originally by:** Avon Originally by: Dark Shikari What single item is larger than a jetcan? My ego?
Crumplecorn Gallente Aerial Boundaries Inc. Interstellar Starbase Syndicate	Posted - 2006.11.14 04:05:00 - [125] Originally by: w0rmy Originally by: Xorus The kali VOIP will easily be worth the $10 fee, the reason the quality is bad at present is because its running off the test server instead of a Vivox server just so they can work on client integration so ignore it if its bad :) Yes, paying for a lower quality service than I can already host for free, that doesnt work in between server crashes, downtime and client crashes... **** that sounds like a bargain!! You can host a fully game-integrated voice service? Thought not. This thread makes me homicidalÖ ---------- IBTL \o/
w0rmy Intensive CareBearz Imperium Alliance	Posted - 2006.11.14 04:07:00 - [126] Edited by: w0rmy on 14/11/2006 04:08:31 Originally by: Crumplecorn You can host a fully game-integrated voice service? Thought not. This thread makes me homicidalÖ Considering I run one of this countrys largest ISP's and have more handware available to use than CCP owns... Why yes, yes I can host it. Just can youre a fanboi, doesnt make everyone elses points moot. Originally by: Avon Originally by: Dark Shikari What single item is larger than a jetcan? My ego?
Crumplecorn Gallente Aerial Boundaries Inc. Interstellar Starbase Syndicate	Posted - 2006.11.14 04:11:00 - [127] Originally by: w0rmy Considering I run one of this countrys largest ISP's and have more handware available to use than CCP owns... Why yes, yes I can host it. Then go do it, I don't want to have to wait for kali for this. ---------- IBTL \o/
Salore	Posted - 2006.11.14 04:20:00 - [128] Originally by: w0rmy Edited by: w0rmy on 14/11/2006 04:08:31 Considering I run one of this countrys largest ISP's and have more handware available to use than CCP owns... Don't we all? /sarcasm It amazes me that someone would even post something like that. Do you really think people are going to believe you?
evistin Multiverse Corporation	Posted - 2006.11.14 05:05:00 - [129] This to be has created an addtional cost to playing eve. As a corp level, what needs to be paid aside from your account? 1) website 2) TS/VENT Now I need to add Viox to it, just so I can remain compentitvie in the world of corps level recruitment and planning. I would love to buy it at an alliance/corp level, and I would love to use it OOG as well. Give me these 2 things, and I think the system is a winner overall. Why? By automating it, you do not need to worry about actually getting the person into Vent/TS, the system does it for you. OOG is obvious, not everyone is going to be on at the same time. ----------- Management and Leadership
w0rmy Intensive CareBearz Imperium Alliance	Posted - 2006.11.14 05:06:00 - [130] Originally by: Salore Don't we all? /sarcasm It amazes me that someone would even post something like that. Do you really think people are going to believe you? And which point do you think I am bothered whether anyone believes me? Those who know me, get free hosting, those who dont... Well, why would I care? Point is, I and many others, can provide a service, for free, that doesnt go down when the game goes down, doesnt have problems when the eve client has problems, can be used while playing others games... I see no need for an in game coms, and no, for even 50cents a year, in my mind this is not worth it. Originally by: Avon Originally by: Dark Shikari What single item is larger than a jetcan? My ego?

w0rmy Intensive CareBearz Imperium Alliance	Posted - 2006.11.14 05:07:00 - [131] Originally by: evistin This to be has created an addtional cost to playing eve. As a corp level, what needs to be paid aside from your account? 1) website 2) TS/VENT Now I need to add Viox to it, just so I can remain compentitvie in the world of corps level recruitment and planning. And this is it, the in game comms does not remove the need for those resources already in place. Originally by: Avon Originally by: Dark Shikari What single item is larger than a jetcan? My ego?
Inanara	Posted - 2006.11.14 07:31:00 - [132] Built in voice will never make or break a game. And I'd actually prefer NOT having it a lot as aimless chatter ****es me off..
Vazion TOHA Heavy Industries	Posted - 2006.11.14 07:44:00 - [133] Edited by: Vazion on 14/11/2006 07:45:04 Edited by: Vazion on 14/11/2006 07:44:39 Originally by: Inanara Built in voice will never make or break a game. And I'd actually prefer NOT having it a lot as aimless chatter ****es me off.. Yet here you are..On the forums.. ---
DarkFollower Amarr Phantom Squad iPOD Alliance	Posted - 2006.11.14 08:00:00 - [134] they should have just incorporated in what we pay for eve mounthly , not having to pay separately , just add 1$ to what we pay for eve mountly and there we go , every1 has it so no excuses like "i didn't bought the thing" or "i like ts/vent better" Much better this way IMHO Cap recharges on PvP ships Suxxor monkey ballzorz!!
RotatoR Star Kingdom of Manticore	Posted - 2006.11.14 08:12:00 - [135] There are group of players (including most of 0.0 alliances) which will use every possible way to improve their PvP results. If the new integrated voice communication will have good quality and bring promised functionality, I am sure it will be used widely. And about price, CCP please allow us to pay it with GTC also. 30 day per year should be good.
Cz Ire Minmatar Gradient Namtz'aar k'in	Posted - 2006.11.14 08:17:00 - [136] I am all for paying extra for it, but I do wish it to be integrated into the cost - manditory for all players. If it isnt, then you wont get everyone onto it, and then it is not nearly as useful or conveinent. The biggest difficulty I can see is with a client lockup, your chat dies too, so you cannot tell your gang mates that your CTD'd --- "They saw the long road, the harder road. The road that would ensure what we had gained in the vicious rebellion would not be squandered... our freedom." - Republic Fleet Admiral Kanth Filmir
Skawl GeoTech	Posted - 2006.11.14 09:24:00 - [137] As people have posted above, while the itegrated solution is interesting, as a CEO I feel very uncomfortable with the idea of telling my corp members where to spend their real life cash, however little it is.
4rc4ng3L Gallente Aliastra	Posted - 2006.11.14 09:47:00 - [138] Originally by: DarkFollower they should have just incorporated in what we pay for eve mounthly , not having to pay separately , just add 1$ to what we pay for eve mountly and there we go , every1 has it so no excuses like "i didn't bought the thing" or "i like ts/vent better" Much better this way IMHO I agree with this completely. If you do this you may well have flamers and spammers coming on the forums complaing that they are paying for a service they dont use etc etc, but in the end they are hardly going to leave eve because they are paying 1 extra dollar a year... Also if it becomes a common standard in eve people WILL use it Death is the only true freedom, brought on by our own ignorance.... Welcome to the "free" world in which we live...
ArchenTheGreat Caldari Yesodic Nomads Corp Triumvirate.	Posted - 2006.11.14 10:18:00 - [139] Originally by: Jim McGregor Originally by: Twilight Moon Originally by: Xorus integration with the map means you'll be able to see where the person who's talking is, i have faith in this and i will be paying to use it to my advantage in kali :) Map integration and all....hmm...I can see alliances liking that. No more joining a TS channel and gang and announcing you're in a fleet op, when you're really 32 jumps jumps away happily mining Arkanor, like 1/2 the wastrels in ASCN did...not that I'm bitter. Yeah, I didnt think of that, but this actually comes with a Big Brother alert... You have ability to see gang members on the map already. So it's not a big feature.
ArchenTheGreat Caldari Yesodic Nomads Corp Triumvirate.	Posted - 2006.11.14 10:35:00 - [140] Originally by: Harisdrop I wonder if people will fuss with the new Vista OS since they will have to change thier hardware!!!!!!!! If the dont then they can wait 5 years before they are forced. I am still using Windows 2000 and I am happy with it. It works for me and WinXP has nothing I don't have in Win2k already. As for Vivox: it will be good because you can do random chats with random people. Hatemails from your victims will be passe and you will gain ability to actually hear their screams. For this reason only I think I will join. But... For regular corp activity and pvp ops I will continue to use TS. It's more flexible and has all features I need.

Twilight Moon Minmatar Malicious Intentions	Posted - 2006.11.14 10:38:00 - [141] I've just realised that this nerf's piracy...AGAIN. Is the chat channel is Constellation wide, and you attack someone, all they have to do is scream over the Vivox service and all their mates within a 3 jump radius pile on the hapless pirate. Also, what if you do get off a successful gank on someone...is there an option to mute them? Lets be honest here, some people can use a constant stream of harsh words, that you might not want to bother listening to. How also are you going to filter out racist remarks, slurrs, and generally foul launguage over a voice channel? (Empty Space - Thinking)
Taram Caldar Caldari Acheron Vanguard Armada The Shadow Ascension	Posted - 2006.11.14 10:38:00 - [142] We were talking about this in corp the other night (and alliance as well) Bottom line: Alliance and Corp are going to stick to our current voice system. Most people aren't willing to pay $10 a year for a voice system that doesn't give a dramatic improvement over our ventrillo server which members already get access to for free. Whether you and I think it's worth $10 is meaningless if half your alliance won't use it. If half the alliance pilots refuse to use it then it's a worthless tool. Period. End of story. You can carp about how $10 isn't much money all you want. Bottom line a pay service will never win over a free service unless it offers SIGNIFICANT advantages over the free service. And everyone agrees: The fact that you can't be on Vivox if the GAME client is not logged in is a huge downside that no in-game feature can compensate for. Some folks say: "If you are playing wow why do you care about EVE?" To which I simply reply: Sometimes I hop on guildwars instead of EVE but I still monitor voice comms so that if a POS is attacked I can log in to help or if someone does a spur-of-the-moment OP I can log in to join in. Etc. Just because I'm playing something else to kill time doesn't mean I don't keep tabs on alliance/corp matters via voice. People need to get a grip and realize that the majority of the big complaints folks have with this feature isn't how much it costs. It's that it costs MORE than what they already get for free and really offers no significant improvement over it. Who cares if you can chat in local.... lord have mercy. And someone else kept spouting off about having to remember IP's and Passwords... err.... you put the comm info in the corp/alliance channel MOTD and have done with it. For officer/gang chat... same thing. It's not hard to figure this stuff out and the voip client (Vent or TS, whichever you use) will remember the IP and password information for you.
ArchenTheGreat Caldari Yesodic Nomads Corp Triumvirate.	Posted - 2006.11.14 10:41:00 - [143] Originally by: Hurgrin Kanso Just as a thought to those who say 'I got Voice Chat for free, i host it on my spare PC/whatever'.. if you take the cost for electricity etc you actualy pay ALOT more then $10/year or then just renting a TS Server. Just as an example.. in Oklahoma, the price per Kilowatt ranges from 3 - 5 cent per Kwh (Kilowatt/hour). If you have TS/Ventrilo running on a spare PC (350W PSU), for 18h/Day and 350 Days/Year (just an estimate for Downtime, Network failure, Power outages, Vacations, etc) you still pay $88 per Year. Taking a Kwh price of $0.04 (4 cent/kwh). This doesnt incluce the Monitor (not realy needed for running a Server anyways). I run my box at home all the time because I host my webpage, ftp server and few other services. So putting TS on it is really free. We are talking about someone having server running already.
Pepperami Art of War Anarchy Empire	Posted - 2006.11.14 11:09:00 - [144] This will be no use to me unless 100% of my corp and alliance are willing to use it; something tells me that won't happen.. I see no way for this feature to work unless it was included for in everyone's subscription as standard, and even then I would expect a voice comm that works out of game in order for me to actually want to use it. [EVE TASK BAR?]
Sevarus James Minmatar Meridian Dynamics Namtz'aar k'in	Posted - 2006.11.14 11:14:00 - [145] Edited by: Sevarus James on 14/11/2006 11:14:18 If this runs under Cedega, and runs well, I'll move my corp over to it. The possibilities with the gang and channel command stuff, as well as 'see in space'....well I'm there.....IF IT RUNS UNDER CEDEGA. If not, then teamspeak it is. If CCP is serious about 'more platforms and users' as they indicated recently in devblogs, then they had better ensure that the code (vivox) works with Transgaming's cedega. I'm seeing more and more posters in these forums move over to the linux platform, as well as less and less 'flamage' when we do post, so hopefully they keep us in mind. For quite a few of us, Vista will NEVER be an option. If my question above gets answered "yes", then HELL YES it'll be worth it! Updated Linux Desktop+EVE+EVE-TV
Nate D Priory of Saints	Posted - 2006.11.14 11:18:00 - [146] Originally by: Twilight Moon I've just realised that this nerf's piracy...AGAIN. Is the chat channel is Constellation wide, and you attack someone, all they have to do is scream over the Vivox service and all their mates within a 3 jump radius pile on the hapless pirate. Also, what if you do get off a successful gank on someone...is there an option to mute them? Lets be honest here, some people can use a constant stream of harsh words, that you might not want to bother listening to. How also are you going to filter out racist remarks, slurrs, and generally foul launguage over a voice channel? a. You can not voice chat in constelation. And yelling "Pirate!" by typing has been done since the begining. b. If you don't want to hear the person you ganked smacking you then don't join a channel that they're in. c. Foul language is not filtered in text chat either. And filtering live audio would be pretty hard. -NateÖ --- Voice Chat/Vivox Post-Fanfest Update Still waiting for CCP to hire me...! Don't worry... SoonÖ
evistin Multiverse Corporation	Posted - 2006.11.14 11:22:00 - [147] Edited by: evistin on 14/11/2006 11:29:54 Originally by: 4rc4ng3L I agree with this completely. If you do this you may well have flamers and spammers coming on the forums complaing that they are paying for a service they dont use etc etc, but in the end they are hardly going to leave eve because they are paying 1 extra dollar a year... Also if it becomes a common standard in eve people WILL use it Why not turn around and say its only a $1 why doesn't CCP just absorb the cost, and then everyone can use it. Its only a $1. I am not being mean, I am being realistic, no matter how many features the voice system has, it can't beat the sheer flexability of TS and vent in the long run. What feature would you like to have to make it work out? Can you run Eve-Radio via this system? What about Alliance wide warning and annoucements? What TS and Vent enjoys post is portability, it can run on Windows, Mac and I think linux if you look hard enough, A TS/Vent Server can be used on any game. No need to worry about the server crashing.. the TS/Vent will still run. Only when everyone and I mean everyone in the game uses the voice chat then will I see it being real value. It will become the eve-phone , 1800- Dial a ship. ----------- Management and Leadership
Nate D Priory of Saints	Posted - 2006.11.14 11:33:00 - [148] Originally by: evistin I am not being mean, I am being realistic, no matter how many features the voice system has, it can't beat the sheer flexability of TS and vent in the long run. If EVE voice can do everything that TS/Vent can do... and a lot more... And it takes out all the hassle that goes with TS/Vent... How is it any less flexable? Your logic understand I don't... -NateÖ --- Voice Chat/Vivox Post-Fanfest Update Still waiting for CCP to hire me...! Don't worry... SoonÖ
Joshua Foiritain Gallente Coreli Corporation Corelum Syndicate	Posted - 2006.11.14 11:39:00 - [149] Originally by: Nate D Originally by: evistin I am not being mean, I am being realistic, no matter how many features the voice system has, it can't beat the sheer flexability of TS and vent in the long run. If EVE voice can do everything that TS/Vent can do... and a lot more... And it takes out all the hassle that goes with TS/Vent... How is it any less flexable? Your logic understand I don't... Node Crash, Client Crash, anything else that messes up the eve client = Voice Comms down = Huge Tactical disadvantage. Mouse binding, which might not make it into Kali 1 according mephysto. Apparently its also supposed to be immume to client side lag but i withhold judgement on this untill i can try it myself. For me the most important weakness with the vivox voice comms is still having to rely on the main eve server, if it goes down or screws up the client goes down and so does communication. ----- [Coreli Corporation Mainframe]
Crumplecorn Gallente Aerial Boundaries Inc. Interstellar Starbase Syndicate	Posted - 2006.11.14 12:04:00 - [150] CCP should: Make this mandatory for the game to function (but still charge for it) Make it ***your soundsystem so no other voice comms software will work while Eve is running Never allow it to function outside Eve Tell the players to shut the ** up Just once I'd love to see them do something like this. In fact, I'd like to see them do this every time the playerbase whines about new features which they don't even have to use if they don't want to, but that is even less likely to even happen. ---------- IBTL \o/



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