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Xori Ruscuv
Vendetta Underground Rule of Three
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Posted - 2006.11.16 18:41:00 -
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Originally by: keepiru
They made 2 BCs useless, but did they fixed the obviously BROKEN javelin assaults?
Which two? My current count is... Myrmidon, Hurricane, and well... as much as I hate to admit it, the Drake got a little over-nerfed I think.
It's great playing Caldari-online, isn't it?
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Xori Ruscuv
Vendetta Underground Rule of Three
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Posted - 2006.11.16 18:42:00 -
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Originally by: Max Teranous I know i'll still be taking it for a spin. It is still superior to the Muninn & Cyclone easily.
I suppose, possibly.... I was just excited as hell to see a ship where I wouldn't have to waste a slot on ******* missiles.
It's great playing Caldari-online, isn't it?
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Ath Amon
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Posted - 2006.11.16 18:43:00 -
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Edited by: Ath Amon on 16/11/2006 18:48:17
Originally by: Max Teranous Guys, it was simply too good before. It's a **** nice ship still, but now it doesn't outdamage a T2 Command ship! I mean really.
I know i'll still be taking it for a spin. It is still superior to the Muninn & Cyclone easily.
too good? why?
brutix had still a bit better dps (and similar tank)
harbringer had better damage over 7km and in close range it had a nos as damage tradeoff...
yup it was so overpowered...
and as we are doing comparsion with crap ships we can compare it even to the reaper...
better than muninn and cyclone? they are quite crappy... let's make even hurricane crap...
ah yes i forgot that minmatar are supposed to fly crappy ships
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Captain Raynor
Caldari
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Posted - 2006.11.16 18:44:00 -
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I think the Hurricane and Drake both needed to have a turret/launcher removed respectively. I don't mind that, honestly Drake was probably gonna wind up out damaging the Nighthawk so yeah -1 launcher is cool.. but jesus least they didn't screw the Hurricanes bonuses like they did the Drake.. Hurricane is probably still OK, the change makes the Harbinger just as good or maybe a lil better than it now.. Drake though, that hurt. =(
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Daniel Jackson > a harbinger cant be a raven cause its not caldari Daniel Jackson > and its not a missle ship Jim Raynor > thank you for that expert analysis DJ
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Liisa
Freelancing Corp Confederation of Independent Corporations
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Posted - 2006.11.16 18:46:00 -
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Originally by: Max Teranous Guys, it was simply too good before. It's a **** nice ship still, but now it doesn't outdamage a T2 Command ship! I mean really.
I know i'll still be taking it for a spin. It is still superior to the Muninn & Cyclone easily.
A ship is good if it is better than two ships that suck? ----------------------------------
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Adoran Wa'alle
Caldari 5punkorp Interstellar Starbase Syndicate
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Posted - 2006.11.16 18:49:00 -
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Originally by: Liisa
Originally by: Max Teranous Guys, it was simply too good before. It's a **** nice ship still, but now it doesn't outdamage a T2 Command ship! I mean really.
I know i'll still be taking it for a spin. It is still superior to the Muninn & Cyclone easily.
A ship is good if it is better than two ships that suck?
Hmm....well, almost every ship in the game is better than the crappiest frigates you can think of (don't know which, but there has to be some that are absolute rubbish) ----------------------------------- Rawr. awrarawr! |
Kharakan
Amarr GREY COUNCIL Breidablik
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Posted - 2006.11.16 18:56:00 -
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Originally by: Swamp Ziro Edited by: Swamp Ziro on 16/11/2006 18:17:41
Originally by: Patch86 Naughty language, your sig is gonna get more nerfed than the ship did
I don't care anymore. **** them. I was hyped about BC's back when most people didn't even know there would be new ones.
****
HEY AMARR NOW YOUR @@@@ HARBRINGER IS BETTER THAN THE HURRI? HAPPY NOW?
*gasp* the harbinger's top of the heap? Bout fething time, at last a TI ship that's actually better than someone else's!
Originally by: Joshua Foiritain (to Dark Shikari) HAHAHA I KNOW YOUR ACCOUUNT NAME TIME TO DIE
this signature space is claimed in the name of eris, haha I got to him first. neeneer
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Swamp Ziro
EPSILON TEAM Ushra'Khan
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Posted - 2006.11.16 18:59:00 -
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Originally by: Kharakan
Originally by: Swamp Ziro Edited by: Swamp Ziro on 16/11/2006 18:17:41
Originally by: Patch86 Naughty language, your sig is gonna get more nerfed than the ship did
I don't care anymore. **** them. I was hyped about BC's back when most people didn't even know there would be new ones.
****
HEY AMARR NOW YOUR @@@@ HARBRINGER IS BETTER THAN THE HURRI? HAPPY NOW?
*gasp* the harbinger's top of the heap? Bout fething time, at last a TI ship that's actually better than someone else's!
So you really didn't want to boost the Harbringer then, you're just happy every other race's new BC sucks now.
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Nicocat
Caldari New Age Solutions
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Posted - 2006.11.16 19:02:00 -
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Originally by: Swamp Ziro Edited by: Swamp Ziro on 16/11/2006 18:17:41
Originally by: Patch86 Naughty language, your sig is gonna get more nerfed than the ship did
I don't care anymore. **** them. I was hyped about BC's back when most people didn't even know there would be new ones.
****
HEY AMARR NOW YOUR @@@@ HARBRINGER IS BETTER THAN THE HURRI? HAPPY NOW?
Hey, I was hyped about BCs back when I trained BC to level 3 and realized the Cyclone was actually awesome in the majority of cases. I still fly one, it's my favorite ship.
I was PLANNING on getting a new favorite, but now I think I may just up and cancel my sub, this nerfing over and over is getting old. ----------------------------
Please don't try to troll in your signature -Eldo([email protected])
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Nicocat
Caldari New Age Solutions
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Posted - 2006.11.16 19:04:00 -
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Oh, and let's recall something. Tier 2 BCs are about GANK, not TANK. GANK. ******* killing things with guns. Painfully. Where the hell did that go? If your panties are in such a **** knot over outdamaging your precious CSs, BOOST THE MOTHER******* CSs! Quit nerfing! ----------------------------
Please don't try to troll in your signature -Eldo([email protected])
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Xori Ruscuv
Vendetta Underground Rule of Three
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Posted - 2006.11.16 19:10:00 -
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Originally by: Nicocat Oh, and let's recall something. Tier 2 BCs are about GANK, not TANK. GANK. ******* killing things with guns. Painfully. Where the hell did that go? If your panties are in such a **** knot over outdamaging your precious CSs, BOOST THE MOTHER******* CSs! Quit nerfing!
The man makes a strong point...
It's great playing Caldari-online, isn't it?
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Khavi Vetali
Gallente Team Americas Anarchy Empire
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Posted - 2006.11.16 19:13:00 -
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Originally by: Ath Amon brutix had still a bit better dps (and similar tank)
No, in order to have a similar tank to a Hurricane the Brutix fits lowest tier guns, and then it does less damage. If a brutix is doing more damage than a hurricane it has significantly less tank. Take a look at the brutix pg, it's lower than all the tier 2 bc's. 220 II's use almost exactly the same pg as electron II's (5 pg difference). The brutix can not tank as well as the hurricane and retain similar dps.
Course, it's a moot point now that you've lost a turret. Although I'm pretty sure you still do better damage than a brutix with electrons.
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Patch86
Di-Tron Heavy Industries Freelancer Alliance
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Posted - 2006.11.16 19:15:00 -
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Originally by: Nicocat Oh, and let's recall something. Tier 2 BCs are about GANK, not TANK. GANK. ******* killing things with guns. Painfully. Where the hell did that go? If your panties are in such a **** knot over outdamaging your precious CSs, BOOST THE MOTHER******* CSs! Quit nerfing!
Tell that to the poor Myrmidon. DPS worse than a Brutix and a Repper bonus.............. -----------------------------------------------
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Ath Amon
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Posted - 2006.11.16 19:18:00 -
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Edited by: Ath Amon on 16/11/2006 19:25:02 Edited by: Ath Amon on 16/11/2006 19:18:38
Originally by: Khavi Vetali
Originally by: Ath Amon brutix had still a bit better dps (and similar tank)
No, in order to have a similar tank to a Hurricane the Brutix fits lowest tier guns, and then it does less damage. If a brutix is doing more damage than a hurricane it has significantly less tank. Take a look at the brutix pg, it's lower than all the tier 2 bc's. 220 II's use almost exactly the same pg as electron II's (5 pg difference). The brutix can not tank as well as the hurricane and retain similar dps.
Course, it's a moot point now that you've lost a turret. Although I'm pretty sure you still do better damage than a brutix with electrons.
brutix was doing better damage than old hurricane with ions...
and yup, if you go more passive with 1600mm then hurr tanks better, if you go more with res and armor rep they are quite close
ahhh and just checked with electrons... the dps difference was not that big... they where pretty close
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Khavi Vetali
Gallente Team Americas Anarchy Empire
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Posted - 2006.11.16 19:20:00 -
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Originally by: Nicocat Oh, and let's recall something. Tier 2 BCs are about GANK, not TANK. GANK. ******* killing things with guns. Painfully. Where the hell did that go? If your panties are in such a **** knot over outdamaging your precious CSs, BOOST THE MOTHER******* CSs! Quit nerfing!
I've questioned Tux's original statement about tier 2 BC's being all gank ever since kali hit sisi. Looks like they released the gallente BC's in the wrong order then. The Myrmidon was really the only BC that needed further modification.
If anything, the Hurricane would be fine with just the -50 or perhaps -100 pg so it couldn't tank as well while ganking, and the Drake with 6 launchers retaining the +rof.
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Evil Sulu
Sanguine Legion Pirate Coalition
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Posted - 2006.11.16 19:29:00 -
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It's raining and gloomy here today - it seems appropriate. What a sad day.
RIP Yarricane, the coolest ship that never was. -------------
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Nicocat
Caldari New Age Solutions
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Posted - 2006.11.16 19:33:00 -
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Originally by: Patch86
Originally by: Nicocat Oh, and let's recall something. Tier 2 BCs are about GANK, not TANK. GANK. ******* killing things with guns. Painfully. Where the hell did that go? If your panties are in such a **** knot over outdamaging your precious CSs, BOOST THE MOTHER******* CSs! Quit nerfing!
Tell that to the poor Myrmidon. DPS worse than a Brutix and a Repper bonus..............
A tanking bonus... nay, a REPEAT tanking bonus that the brutix has? I've always questioned that, but never out loud, since I hate Gallente anyway. ----------------------------
Please don't try to troll in your signature -Eldo([email protected])
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Goumindong
Amarr Merch Industrial
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Posted - 2006.11.16 19:34:00 -
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Originally by: Swamp Ziro
Originally by: Kharakan
Originally by: Swamp Ziro Edited by: Swamp Ziro on 16/11/2006 18:17:41
Originally by: Patch86 Naughty language, your sig is gonna get more nerfed than the ship did
I don't care anymore. **** them. I was hyped about BC's back when most people didn't even know there would be new ones.
****
HEY AMARR NOW YOUR @@@@ HARBRINGER IS BETTER THAN THE HURRI? HAPPY NOW?
*gasp* the harbinger's top of the heap? Bout fething time, at last a TI ship that's actually better than someone else's!
So you really didn't want to boost the Harbringer then, you're just happy every other race's new BC sucks now.
No, we really wanted a boost to the Harbinger. I still think the Hurricane competes with it[15% DPS reduction from guns] pretty well[tanks better that is for sure], but i didnt want to see it get nerfed[also because its so easy to jump into via cross training]. As well, rigs will even the gap more.
That being said, it is just a senitment that anyone will likly express in such situations.
I still would have rather had the harbi boosted.
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Isyel
Minmatar Masuat'aa Matari Ushra'Khan
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Posted - 2006.11.16 19:36:00 -
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There goes the thing i waited for in Kali. Now i just don't care anymore.
God forbid Minmatar get a ship that does good damage. Why the hell not buff the Harbinger and Myrmidon instead?! Give the harbinger 3 bonuses and 8 guns for all i care, and the myrmidon 400 drone bay JUST LEAVE THE GOD**** HURRICANE ALONE. ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ I be needin' some sig love. *sigh* |
Ath Amon
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Posted - 2006.11.16 19:37:00 -
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Edited by: Ath Amon on 16/11/2006 19:50:22 Edited by: Ath Amon on 16/11/2006 19:40:48 here, this is the prenerf hurricane with 220mm compared to brutix with electrons...
as you can see except for the long range ammo (that for midsize is not that better than T1) there is not much difference...
but OMG NERF THE HURR!!!111 IS SO OVERPOWERED!!!!11
it really needed to get nerfed
and again, pre nerf hur vs electron brutix and consider that hur is supposed to be pure damage dealer and have 2 slots more than the brutix... they got similar dps and similar tank...
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Jim McGregor
Caldari
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Posted - 2006.11.16 19:37:00 -
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Edited by: Jim McGregor on 16/11/2006 19:38:04
Never mind. Ive told myself not going to whine about the Hurricane, so I wont. Any more.
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Rafein
Eye of God Axiom Empire
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Posted - 2006.11.16 19:37:00 -
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so, before the changes to the Drake and Hurricane, the BC pecking order went
Brutix, Hurricane, Mym, and Drake, in that order.
And they choose to remove the hurricane and Drake???
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Nicocat
Caldari New Age Solutions
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Posted - 2006.11.16 19:38:00 -
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Originally by: Isyel There goes the thing i waited for in Kali. Now i just don't care anymore.
God forbid Minmatar get a ship that does good damage. Why the hell not buff the Harbinger and Myrmidon instead?! Give the harbinger 3 bonuses and 8 guns for all i care, and the myrmidon 400 drone bay JUST LEAVE THE GOD**** HURRICANE ALONE.
I say remove all the Tier 2 BCs now. Nobody gives a **** anymore. They're ruined. ----------------------------
Please don't try to troll in your signature -Eldo([email protected])
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Goumindong
Amarr Merch Industrial
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Posted - 2006.11.16 19:40:00 -
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Originally by: Ath Amon here, this is the prenerf hurricane with 220mm compared to brutix with electrons...
as you can see except for the long range ammo (that for midsize is not that better than T1) there is not much difference...
but OMG NERF THE HURR!!!111 IS SO OVERPOWERED!!!!11
it really needed to get nerfed
Something is wrong there. The Brutix does more damage with t1 ammo than t2 ammo?
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Jim McGregor
Caldari
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Posted - 2006.11.16 19:41:00 -
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Edited by: Jim McGregor on 16/11/2006 19:43:30
Yes, because having similar dps to the brutix is clearly overpowered (for minmatar). Its funny, because when you read gallente threads about the myrmidon, they think it sucks because it doesnt have more dps than the brutix either.
Guess we have to learn to know that balance doesnt mean equal dps. The 20 m/s speed is what really makes minmatar shine. </irony>
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Khavi Vetali
Gallente Team Americas Anarchy Empire
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Posted - 2006.11.16 19:43:00 -
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Edited by: Khavi Vetali on 16/11/2006 19:51:39
Originally by: Ath Amon but OMG NERF THE HURR!!!111 IS SO OVERPOWERED!!!!1
Not to be picky, but you really f'd up that graph.
Also, keep in mind, Brutix full ion can barely fit MWD, cap booster, and a single mar. In order to get the Brute above the three decent tier 2 BC's your tank is only going to be single rep+a few resist mods. Neutron gank has no tank, not even a med rep.
A hurricane full 220 II's (even pre-nerf) had enough pg for mwd, plate+rep without fitting mods.
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Ath Amon
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Posted - 2006.11.16 19:51:00 -
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Edited by: Ath Amon on 16/11/2006 19:52:35
Originally by: Khavi Vetali
Originally by: Ath Amon but OMG NERF THE HURR!!!111 IS SO OVERPOWERED!!!!1
Not to be picky, but you really f'd up that graph.
right, forgot to add damage mods to T2 ammos... corrected the graph, reposted it, corrected the old link and reposting it here
Hurr so uber!!!!1111
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Patch86
Di-Tron Heavy Industries Freelancer Alliance
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Posted - 2006.11.16 19:58:00 -
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Edited by: Patch86 on 16/11/2006 19:58:46
Originally by: Ath Amon Edited by: Ath Amon on 16/11/2006 19:52:35
Originally by: Khavi Vetali
Originally by: Ath Amon but OMG NERF THE HURR!!!111 IS SO OVERPOWERED!!!!1
Not to be picky, but you really f'd up that graph.
right, forgot to add damage mods to T2 ammos... corrected the graph, reposted it, corrected the old link and reposting it here
Hurr so uber!!!!1111
I'm no expert on graphs or anything, but:
Doesn't this tell you that the single best DPS is available from a Hurricane (with hail) and the most consistently high-damage weapon at all ranges other than >5000m is the Hurricane with barrage?
Sounds pretty uber to me. -----------------------------------------------
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Risien Drogonne
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Posted - 2006.11.16 20:20:00 -
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Originally by: Rafein so, before the changes to the Drake and Hurricane, the BC pecking order went
Brutix, Hurricane, Mym, and Drake, in that order.
And they choose to remove the hurricane and Drake???
I want some of what you're smoking.
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demonfurbie
Minmatar Guerrillas in the Mist
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Posted - 2006.11.16 20:33:00 -
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Edited by: demonfurbie on 16/11/2006 20:32:59 i cant get on the test server(at work) what is the new slot lay out lay out for drake and hurri
is it only 5 launchers for drake... what are the other 3 slots
and how many fot the hurri?
i was looking foward to both ....
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