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Ysolde Xen
Minmatar Liberal Trading Co Electus Matari
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Posted - 2006.11.16 17:01:00 -
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Edited by: Ysolde Xen on 16/11/2006 17:06:12 Along with the Drake, the Hurricane is now missing a turret slot
(EDITED TO ADD: they also nuked 50 off it's PG. Ouch.)
If I was a prospective Harbringer pilot, I'd be looking very nervously at that chopping block as they clear off the bits of Drake and Hurricane...
Though I guess it means the Amarr whiners get some loving for once as the Harb is now currently on top -----
It's not a crap ship, you're just flying it all wrong. |
Spiderweb
Caldari
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Posted - 2006.11.16 17:04:00 -
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so let me guess.
Hury loses a turret slot drake loses launcher slot AND rof bonus
hmmm... -----------------------------------------------
"Light, in the Darkest of Hours..." |
Ysolde Xen
Minmatar Liberal Trading Co Electus Matari
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Posted - 2006.11.16 17:07:00 -
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Originally by: Spiderweb so let me guess.
Hury loses a turret slot drake loses launcher slot AND rof bonus
hmmm...
I forgot to mention that the Hurricane also lost some PG, if it makes you feel any better
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Spiderweb
Caldari
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Posted - 2006.11.16 17:10:00 -
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Originally by: Ysolde Xen
Originally by: Spiderweb so let me guess.
Hury loses a turret slot drake loses launcher slot AND rof bonus
hmmm...
I forgot to mention that the Hurricane also lost some PG, if it makes you feel any better
heh
it doesnt really. Im more a fan of buffs than nerfs. Anything that adds up makes people happy even if its to balance things out.
Im amazed CCP hasnt realised that yet, because I keep seeing 9 nerfs - 1 buff in general. -----------------------------------------------
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Patch86
Di-Tron Heavy Industries Freelancer Alliance
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Posted - 2006.11.16 17:11:00 -
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Edited by: Patch86 on 16/11/2006 17:12:03
Originally by: Patch86 Drake was overpowered, and did need rebalancing.
I hope they havn't taken it too far, though.
Liberally lifted from the Drake thread. Change the name, and the sentiments remain the same- Hurricane was a monster of a ship an needed bringing in line. but I do severely hope the nerf-bat hasn't made it worthless........ -----------------------------------------------
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Mr Ninjaface
Minmatar Shurekin INC
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Posted - 2006.11.16 17:11:00 -
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I blame seleene, He was really hounding tux to nerf the hurricane at the fanfest. Guess If you cant beat em whine to the devs to get them nerfed. MY thoughts on Kali |
Spaced Skunk
Yesodic Nomads Corp
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Posted - 2006.11.16 17:11:00 -
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It just means sliepnir still does more damage. Hurricane is still good, its not like they nerfed it to hell.
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Ath Amon
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Posted - 2006.11.16 17:18:00 -
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bah it was not a monster of a ship
brutix was still doing a bit more damage and it was defence bonus vs 1 more low slot
the dps nerf on the hurricane is not that bad but i don't like how it was done...
the ship need to have 7 turrets to be competitive with arty setup and it lose also a bit of versatility...
imo a 7/0 high (as the harbringer) or a 7/1 with lower dronebay was a better solution
and i really don't understande the pg nerf, it had same pg as the harbringer and they shared basically same fittings, have not looked at it but that was really unnecessary
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Twin blade
Minmatar The Caldari Confederation
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Posted - 2006.11.16 17:23:00 -
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The Nerf was uncall for in every way you look at it there is just no reason why they needed to remove a turret nvm the power grid nerf. !
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solidshot
Sebiestor tribe
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Posted - 2006.11.16 17:39:00 -
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Awox
Finite Horizon The Red Skull
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Posted - 2006.11.16 17:55:00 -
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It's still better than a Rupture, right? :/ *snip* Discussing moderation/ linking to flamebait is a no-no. Read the forum rules before reposting. If you have any questions, email us at [email protected] Tirg |
Pesadel0
Vagabundos THE H0RDE
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Posted - 2006.11.16 17:56:00 -
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Edited by: Pesadel0 on 16/11/2006 17:56:38 I cryed in RL when my hurricane could only fit 6 guns .....
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keepiru
Supernova Security Systems
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Posted - 2006.11.16 17:57:00 -
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Originally by: Spaced Skunk It just means sliepnir still does more damage. Hurricane is still good, its not like they nerfed it to hell.
Hurricane is only good when compared to the muninn, and that's only because the muninn is so ****.
In every other respect, it now sucks, along with every other pfft-damage BC: ferox, drake, prophecy, and cyclone. ----------------
Kali ships worth flying left: Harbinger, Rokh. Only 2 left tux, you can make it! |
Nicocat
Caldari New Age Solutions
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Posted - 2006.11.16 18:02:00 -
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*finally breaks and trains for a Brutix* Mother******. I want a damage-dealing Minmatar ship for once! Just once! ----------------------------
Please don't try to troll in your signature -Eldo([email protected])
I tried? |
Leandro Salazar
Aeon Industries Confederation of Independent Corporations
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Posted - 2006.11.16 18:03:00 -
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Why? Why do we get an unneeded Nerf for BCs (Okay 6 launchers for Drake is fine, but kin damage?!? Whats this with either making things overpowered or nerfing them to hell? Ever heard of a word called moderation?) And where is the much needed boost for 3/4 of the tier3 BBs? Or can we expect a nerf to the Rokh instead here too?
I hate to love Minmatar --------- ZOMG my sig was concordokkened! Link removed due to bad language on remote site. -wystler
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Sonho
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Posted - 2006.11.16 18:09:00 -
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Originally by: Leandro Salazar Why? Why do we get an unneeded Nerf for BCs (Okay 6 launchers for Drake is fine, but kin damage?!? Whats this with either making things overpowered or nerfing them to hell? Ever heard of a word called moderation?) And where is the much needed boost for 3/4 of the tier3 BBs? Or can we expect a nerf to the Rokh instead here too?
I hate to love Minmatar
I guess that the power is strong in the galente side,us(minmatar) should have whined that the hurricane was a POS from start maybe then he could have been left alone...
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Swamp Ziro
EPSILON TEAM Ushra'Khan
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Posted - 2006.11.16 18:10:00 -
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OH FOR ****S SAKE THEY JUST WENT AND DID IT
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Leandro Salazar
Aeon Industries Confederation of Independent Corporations
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Posted - 2006.11.16 18:13:00 -
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You need to edit your sig now --------- ZOMG my sig was concordokkened! Link removed due to bad language on remote site. -wystler
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Swamp Ziro
EPSILON TEAM Ushra'Khan
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Posted - 2006.11.16 18:14:00 -
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I'm like, way ******* ahead of you
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Patch86
Di-Tron Heavy Industries Freelancer Alliance
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Posted - 2006.11.16 18:15:00 -
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Naughty language, your sig is gonna get more nerfed than the ship did -----------------------------------------------
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keepiru
Supernova Security Systems
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Posted - 2006.11.16 18:15:00 -
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Originally by: Nicocat *finally breaks and trains for a Brutix* Mother******. I want a damage-dealing Minmatar ship for once! Just once!
Don't, the brutix still sucks in Kali. It has less grid than the myrmidon. ----------------
Kali ships worth flying left: Harbinger, Rokh. Only 2 left tux, you can make it! |
Swamp Ziro
EPSILON TEAM Ushra'Khan
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Posted - 2006.11.16 18:17:00 -
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Edited by: Swamp Ziro on 16/11/2006 18:17:41
Originally by: Patch86 Naughty language, your sig is gonna get more nerfed than the ship did
I don't care anymore. **** them. I was hyped about BC's back when most people didn't even know there would be new ones.
****
HEY AMARR NOW YOUR @@@@ HARBRINGER IS BETTER THAN THE HURRI? HAPPY NOW?
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Pepperami
Art of War Anarchy Empire
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Posted - 2006.11.16 18:23:00 -
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there goes the fun
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John Grimm
The Taining corp Knights Of the Southerncross
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Posted - 2006.11.16 18:24:00 -
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Originally by: Swamp Ziro OH FOR ****S SAKE THEY JUST WENT AND DID IT
I'm sorry Swamp, but you'll have to edit that sig.
But they shouln't have nerfed the Hura. It was a good ship and it wasn't overpowered.
"I have not failed, I've just found 10,000 ways that won't work" |
Leandro Salazar
Aeon Industries Confederation of Independent Corporations
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Posted - 2006.11.16 18:26:00 -
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It seems the longer Kalis stays in Sisi, the WORSE it gets. By now I am not looking forward to the day of its TQ deployment anymore, I am dreading it. What else will be nerfed? Boosting doesn't seem to be an option --------- ZOMG my sig was concordokkened! Link removed due to bad language on remote site. -wystler
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Epidemis
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Posted - 2006.11.16 18:30:00 -
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Jesus christ, fine, take away a turret hardpoint, but give us something else instead, alot of people have been salivating over the new BC, now you have taken that away from them :(
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Xori Ruscuv
Vendetta Underground Rule of Three
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Posted - 2006.11.16 18:31:00 -
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OMG WTF, CCP?
Stop taking our guns away from us!?
I fly Gallente gunships, but when I saw this ship (and the blaster nerfs), I started training SPECIFICALLY for the Hurricane.
*runs away and cries like a little girl*
It's great playing Caldari-online, isn't it?
This IS my main! I just did a portrait swap... |
keepiru
Supernova Security Systems
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Posted - 2006.11.16 18:37:00 -
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HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA.
Jesus christ you have to wonder.
They made 2 BCs useless, but did they fixed the obviously BROKEN javelin assaults?
That would obviously be expecting too much ----------------
Kali ships worth flying left: Harbinger, Rokh. Only 2 left tux, you can make it! |
Max Teranous
Body Count Inc. Mercenary Coalition
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Posted - 2006.11.16 18:39:00 -
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Guys, it was simply too good before. It's a **** nice ship still, but now it doesn't outdamage a T2 Command ship! I mean really.
I know i'll still be taking it for a spin. It is still superior to the Muninn & Cyclone easily.
Max
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keepiru
Supernova Security Systems
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Posted - 2006.11.16 18:41:00 -
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Originally by: Max Teranous Guys, it was simply too good before. It's a **** nice ship still, but now it doesn't outdamage a T2 Command ship! I mean really.
I know i'll still be taking it for a spin. It is still superior to the Muninn & Cyclone easily.
You're comparing them to what are basically the 2 worst ships in their class.
That's like saying the prophecy is good because it outdamages a SUCKrildge
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Kali ships worth flying left: Harbinger, Rokh. Only 2 left tux, you can make it! |
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Xori Ruscuv
Vendetta Underground Rule of Three
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Posted - 2006.11.16 18:41:00 -
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Originally by: keepiru
They made 2 BCs useless, but did they fixed the obviously BROKEN javelin assaults?
Which two? My current count is... Myrmidon, Hurricane, and well... as much as I hate to admit it, the Drake got a little over-nerfed I think.
It's great playing Caldari-online, isn't it?
This IS my main! I just did a portrait swap... |
Xori Ruscuv
Vendetta Underground Rule of Three
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Posted - 2006.11.16 18:42:00 -
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Originally by: Max Teranous I know i'll still be taking it for a spin. It is still superior to the Muninn & Cyclone easily.
I suppose, possibly.... I was just excited as hell to see a ship where I wouldn't have to waste a slot on ******* missiles.
It's great playing Caldari-online, isn't it?
This IS my main! I just did a portrait swap... |
Ath Amon
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Posted - 2006.11.16 18:43:00 -
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Edited by: Ath Amon on 16/11/2006 18:48:17
Originally by: Max Teranous Guys, it was simply too good before. It's a **** nice ship still, but now it doesn't outdamage a T2 Command ship! I mean really.
I know i'll still be taking it for a spin. It is still superior to the Muninn & Cyclone easily.
too good? why?
brutix had still a bit better dps (and similar tank)
harbringer had better damage over 7km and in close range it had a nos as damage tradeoff...
yup it was so overpowered...
and as we are doing comparsion with crap ships we can compare it even to the reaper...
better than muninn and cyclone? they are quite crappy... let's make even hurricane crap...
ah yes i forgot that minmatar are supposed to fly crappy ships
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Captain Raynor
Caldari
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Posted - 2006.11.16 18:44:00 -
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I think the Hurricane and Drake both needed to have a turret/launcher removed respectively. I don't mind that, honestly Drake was probably gonna wind up out damaging the Nighthawk so yeah -1 launcher is cool.. but jesus least they didn't screw the Hurricanes bonuses like they did the Drake.. Hurricane is probably still OK, the change makes the Harbinger just as good or maybe a lil better than it now.. Drake though, that hurt. =(
Quote:
Daniel Jackson > a harbinger cant be a raven cause its not caldari Daniel Jackson > and its not a missle ship Jim Raynor > thank you for that expert analysis DJ
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Liisa
Freelancing Corp Confederation of Independent Corporations
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Posted - 2006.11.16 18:46:00 -
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Originally by: Max Teranous Guys, it was simply too good before. It's a **** nice ship still, but now it doesn't outdamage a T2 Command ship! I mean really.
I know i'll still be taking it for a spin. It is still superior to the Muninn & Cyclone easily.
A ship is good if it is better than two ships that suck? ----------------------------------
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Adoran Wa'alle
Caldari 5punkorp Interstellar Starbase Syndicate
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Posted - 2006.11.16 18:49:00 -
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Originally by: Liisa
Originally by: Max Teranous Guys, it was simply too good before. It's a **** nice ship still, but now it doesn't outdamage a T2 Command ship! I mean really.
I know i'll still be taking it for a spin. It is still superior to the Muninn & Cyclone easily.
A ship is good if it is better than two ships that suck?
Hmm....well, almost every ship in the game is better than the crappiest frigates you can think of (don't know which, but there has to be some that are absolute rubbish) ----------------------------------- Rawr. awrarawr! |
Kharakan
Amarr GREY COUNCIL Breidablik
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Posted - 2006.11.16 18:56:00 -
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Originally by: Swamp Ziro Edited by: Swamp Ziro on 16/11/2006 18:17:41
Originally by: Patch86 Naughty language, your sig is gonna get more nerfed than the ship did
I don't care anymore. **** them. I was hyped about BC's back when most people didn't even know there would be new ones.
****
HEY AMARR NOW YOUR @@@@ HARBRINGER IS BETTER THAN THE HURRI? HAPPY NOW?
*gasp* the harbinger's top of the heap? Bout fething time, at last a TI ship that's actually better than someone else's!
Originally by: Joshua Foiritain (to Dark Shikari) HAHAHA I KNOW YOUR ACCOUUNT NAME TIME TO DIE
this signature space is claimed in the name of eris, haha I got to him first. neeneer
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Swamp Ziro
EPSILON TEAM Ushra'Khan
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Posted - 2006.11.16 18:59:00 -
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Originally by: Kharakan
Originally by: Swamp Ziro Edited by: Swamp Ziro on 16/11/2006 18:17:41
Originally by: Patch86 Naughty language, your sig is gonna get more nerfed than the ship did
I don't care anymore. **** them. I was hyped about BC's back when most people didn't even know there would be new ones.
****
HEY AMARR NOW YOUR @@@@ HARBRINGER IS BETTER THAN THE HURRI? HAPPY NOW?
*gasp* the harbinger's top of the heap? Bout fething time, at last a TI ship that's actually better than someone else's!
So you really didn't want to boost the Harbringer then, you're just happy every other race's new BC sucks now.
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Nicocat
Caldari New Age Solutions
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Posted - 2006.11.16 19:02:00 -
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Originally by: Swamp Ziro Edited by: Swamp Ziro on 16/11/2006 18:17:41
Originally by: Patch86 Naughty language, your sig is gonna get more nerfed than the ship did
I don't care anymore. **** them. I was hyped about BC's back when most people didn't even know there would be new ones.
****
HEY AMARR NOW YOUR @@@@ HARBRINGER IS BETTER THAN THE HURRI? HAPPY NOW?
Hey, I was hyped about BCs back when I trained BC to level 3 and realized the Cyclone was actually awesome in the majority of cases. I still fly one, it's my favorite ship.
I was PLANNING on getting a new favorite, but now I think I may just up and cancel my sub, this nerfing over and over is getting old. ----------------------------
Please don't try to troll in your signature -Eldo([email protected])
I tried? |
Nicocat
Caldari New Age Solutions
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Posted - 2006.11.16 19:04:00 -
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Oh, and let's recall something. Tier 2 BCs are about GANK, not TANK. GANK. ******* killing things with guns. Painfully. Where the hell did that go? If your panties are in such a **** knot over outdamaging your precious CSs, BOOST THE MOTHER******* CSs! Quit nerfing! ----------------------------
Please don't try to troll in your signature -Eldo([email protected])
I tried? |
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Xori Ruscuv
Vendetta Underground Rule of Three
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Posted - 2006.11.16 19:10:00 -
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Originally by: Nicocat Oh, and let's recall something. Tier 2 BCs are about GANK, not TANK. GANK. ******* killing things with guns. Painfully. Where the hell did that go? If your panties are in such a **** knot over outdamaging your precious CSs, BOOST THE MOTHER******* CSs! Quit nerfing!
The man makes a strong point...
It's great playing Caldari-online, isn't it?
This IS my main! I just did a portrait swap... |
Khavi Vetali
Gallente Team Americas Anarchy Empire
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Posted - 2006.11.16 19:13:00 -
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Originally by: Ath Amon brutix had still a bit better dps (and similar tank)
No, in order to have a similar tank to a Hurricane the Brutix fits lowest tier guns, and then it does less damage. If a brutix is doing more damage than a hurricane it has significantly less tank. Take a look at the brutix pg, it's lower than all the tier 2 bc's. 220 II's use almost exactly the same pg as electron II's (5 pg difference). The brutix can not tank as well as the hurricane and retain similar dps.
Course, it's a moot point now that you've lost a turret. Although I'm pretty sure you still do better damage than a brutix with electrons.
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Patch86
Di-Tron Heavy Industries Freelancer Alliance
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Posted - 2006.11.16 19:15:00 -
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Originally by: Nicocat Oh, and let's recall something. Tier 2 BCs are about GANK, not TANK. GANK. ******* killing things with guns. Painfully. Where the hell did that go? If your panties are in such a **** knot over outdamaging your precious CSs, BOOST THE MOTHER******* CSs! Quit nerfing!
Tell that to the poor Myrmidon. DPS worse than a Brutix and a Repper bonus.............. -----------------------------------------------
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Ath Amon
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Posted - 2006.11.16 19:18:00 -
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Edited by: Ath Amon on 16/11/2006 19:25:02 Edited by: Ath Amon on 16/11/2006 19:18:38
Originally by: Khavi Vetali
Originally by: Ath Amon brutix had still a bit better dps (and similar tank)
No, in order to have a similar tank to a Hurricane the Brutix fits lowest tier guns, and then it does less damage. If a brutix is doing more damage than a hurricane it has significantly less tank. Take a look at the brutix pg, it's lower than all the tier 2 bc's. 220 II's use almost exactly the same pg as electron II's (5 pg difference). The brutix can not tank as well as the hurricane and retain similar dps.
Course, it's a moot point now that you've lost a turret. Although I'm pretty sure you still do better damage than a brutix with electrons.
brutix was doing better damage than old hurricane with ions...
and yup, if you go more passive with 1600mm then hurr tanks better, if you go more with res and armor rep they are quite close
ahhh and just checked with electrons... the dps difference was not that big... they where pretty close
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Khavi Vetali
Gallente Team Americas Anarchy Empire
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Posted - 2006.11.16 19:20:00 -
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Originally by: Nicocat Oh, and let's recall something. Tier 2 BCs are about GANK, not TANK. GANK. ******* killing things with guns. Painfully. Where the hell did that go? If your panties are in such a **** knot over outdamaging your precious CSs, BOOST THE MOTHER******* CSs! Quit nerfing!
I've questioned Tux's original statement about tier 2 BC's being all gank ever since kali hit sisi. Looks like they released the gallente BC's in the wrong order then. The Myrmidon was really the only BC that needed further modification.
If anything, the Hurricane would be fine with just the -50 or perhaps -100 pg so it couldn't tank as well while ganking, and the Drake with 6 launchers retaining the +rof.
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Evil Sulu
Sanguine Legion Pirate Coalition
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Posted - 2006.11.16 19:29:00 -
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It's raining and gloomy here today - it seems appropriate. What a sad day.
RIP Yarricane, the coolest ship that never was. -------------
Public Channel: #Khanidblood |
Nicocat
Caldari New Age Solutions
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Posted - 2006.11.16 19:33:00 -
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Originally by: Patch86
Originally by: Nicocat Oh, and let's recall something. Tier 2 BCs are about GANK, not TANK. GANK. ******* killing things with guns. Painfully. Where the hell did that go? If your panties are in such a **** knot over outdamaging your precious CSs, BOOST THE MOTHER******* CSs! Quit nerfing!
Tell that to the poor Myrmidon. DPS worse than a Brutix and a Repper bonus..............
A tanking bonus... nay, a REPEAT tanking bonus that the brutix has? I've always questioned that, but never out loud, since I hate Gallente anyway. ----------------------------
Please don't try to troll in your signature -Eldo([email protected])
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Goumindong
Amarr Merch Industrial
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Posted - 2006.11.16 19:34:00 -
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Originally by: Swamp Ziro
Originally by: Kharakan
Originally by: Swamp Ziro Edited by: Swamp Ziro on 16/11/2006 18:17:41
Originally by: Patch86 Naughty language, your sig is gonna get more nerfed than the ship did
I don't care anymore. **** them. I was hyped about BC's back when most people didn't even know there would be new ones.
****
HEY AMARR NOW YOUR @@@@ HARBRINGER IS BETTER THAN THE HURRI? HAPPY NOW?
*gasp* the harbinger's top of the heap? Bout fething time, at last a TI ship that's actually better than someone else's!
So you really didn't want to boost the Harbringer then, you're just happy every other race's new BC sucks now.
No, we really wanted a boost to the Harbinger. I still think the Hurricane competes with it[15% DPS reduction from guns] pretty well[tanks better that is for sure], but i didnt want to see it get nerfed[also because its so easy to jump into via cross training]. As well, rigs will even the gap more.
That being said, it is just a senitment that anyone will likly express in such situations.
I still would have rather had the harbi boosted.
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Isyel
Minmatar Masuat'aa Matari Ushra'Khan
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Posted - 2006.11.16 19:36:00 -
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There goes the thing i waited for in Kali. Now i just don't care anymore.
God forbid Minmatar get a ship that does good damage. Why the hell not buff the Harbinger and Myrmidon instead?! Give the harbinger 3 bonuses and 8 guns for all i care, and the myrmidon 400 drone bay JUST LEAVE THE GOD**** HURRICANE ALONE. ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ I be needin' some sig love. *sigh* |
Ath Amon
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Posted - 2006.11.16 19:37:00 -
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Edited by: Ath Amon on 16/11/2006 19:50:22 Edited by: Ath Amon on 16/11/2006 19:40:48 here, this is the prenerf hurricane with 220mm compared to brutix with electrons...
as you can see except for the long range ammo (that for midsize is not that better than T1) there is not much difference...
but OMG NERF THE HURR!!!111 IS SO OVERPOWERED!!!!11
it really needed to get nerfed
and again, pre nerf hur vs electron brutix and consider that hur is supposed to be pure damage dealer and have 2 slots more than the brutix... they got similar dps and similar tank...
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Jim McGregor
Caldari
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Posted - 2006.11.16 19:37:00 -
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Edited by: Jim McGregor on 16/11/2006 19:38:04
Never mind. Ive told myself not going to whine about the Hurricane, so I wont. Any more.
--- Eve Wiki | Eve Tribune | Eve Pirate |
Rafein
Eye of God Axiom Empire
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Posted - 2006.11.16 19:37:00 -
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so, before the changes to the Drake and Hurricane, the BC pecking order went
Brutix, Hurricane, Mym, and Drake, in that order.
And they choose to remove the hurricane and Drake???
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Nicocat
Caldari New Age Solutions
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Posted - 2006.11.16 19:38:00 -
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Originally by: Isyel There goes the thing i waited for in Kali. Now i just don't care anymore.
God forbid Minmatar get a ship that does good damage. Why the hell not buff the Harbinger and Myrmidon instead?! Give the harbinger 3 bonuses and 8 guns for all i care, and the myrmidon 400 drone bay JUST LEAVE THE GOD**** HURRICANE ALONE.
I say remove all the Tier 2 BCs now. Nobody gives a **** anymore. They're ruined. ----------------------------
Please don't try to troll in your signature -Eldo([email protected])
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Goumindong
Amarr Merch Industrial
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Posted - 2006.11.16 19:40:00 -
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Originally by: Ath Amon here, this is the prenerf hurricane with 220mm compared to brutix with electrons...
as you can see except for the long range ammo (that for midsize is not that better than T1) there is not much difference...
but OMG NERF THE HURR!!!111 IS SO OVERPOWERED!!!!11
it really needed to get nerfed
Something is wrong there. The Brutix does more damage with t1 ammo than t2 ammo?
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Jim McGregor
Caldari
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Posted - 2006.11.16 19:41:00 -
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Edited by: Jim McGregor on 16/11/2006 19:43:30
Yes, because having similar dps to the brutix is clearly overpowered (for minmatar). Its funny, because when you read gallente threads about the myrmidon, they think it sucks because it doesnt have more dps than the brutix either.
Guess we have to learn to know that balance doesnt mean equal dps. The 20 m/s speed is what really makes minmatar shine. </irony>
--- Eve Wiki | Eve Tribune | Eve Pirate |
Khavi Vetali
Gallente Team Americas Anarchy Empire
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Posted - 2006.11.16 19:43:00 -
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Edited by: Khavi Vetali on 16/11/2006 19:51:39
Originally by: Ath Amon but OMG NERF THE HURR!!!111 IS SO OVERPOWERED!!!!1
Not to be picky, but you really f'd up that graph.
Also, keep in mind, Brutix full ion can barely fit MWD, cap booster, and a single mar. In order to get the Brute above the three decent tier 2 BC's your tank is only going to be single rep+a few resist mods. Neutron gank has no tank, not even a med rep.
A hurricane full 220 II's (even pre-nerf) had enough pg for mwd, plate+rep without fitting mods.
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Ath Amon
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Posted - 2006.11.16 19:51:00 -
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Edited by: Ath Amon on 16/11/2006 19:52:35
Originally by: Khavi Vetali
Originally by: Ath Amon but OMG NERF THE HURR!!!111 IS SO OVERPOWERED!!!!1
Not to be picky, but you really f'd up that graph.
right, forgot to add damage mods to T2 ammos... corrected the graph, reposted it, corrected the old link and reposting it here
Hurr so uber!!!!1111
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Patch86
Di-Tron Heavy Industries Freelancer Alliance
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Posted - 2006.11.16 19:58:00 -
[58]
Edited by: Patch86 on 16/11/2006 19:58:46
Originally by: Ath Amon Edited by: Ath Amon on 16/11/2006 19:52:35
Originally by: Khavi Vetali
Originally by: Ath Amon but OMG NERF THE HURR!!!111 IS SO OVERPOWERED!!!!1
Not to be picky, but you really f'd up that graph.
right, forgot to add damage mods to T2 ammos... corrected the graph, reposted it, corrected the old link and reposting it here
Hurr so uber!!!!1111
I'm no expert on graphs or anything, but:
Doesn't this tell you that the single best DPS is available from a Hurricane (with hail) and the most consistently high-damage weapon at all ranges other than >5000m is the Hurricane with barrage?
Sounds pretty uber to me. -----------------------------------------------
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Risien Drogonne
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Posted - 2006.11.16 20:20:00 -
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Originally by: Rafein so, before the changes to the Drake and Hurricane, the BC pecking order went
Brutix, Hurricane, Mym, and Drake, in that order.
And they choose to remove the hurricane and Drake???
I want some of what you're smoking.
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demonfurbie
Minmatar Guerrillas in the Mist
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Posted - 2006.11.16 20:33:00 -
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Edited by: demonfurbie on 16/11/2006 20:32:59 i cant get on the test server(at work) what is the new slot lay out lay out for drake and hurri
is it only 5 launchers for drake... what are the other 3 slots
and how many fot the hurri?
i was looking foward to both ....
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Jim McGregor
Caldari
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Posted - 2006.11.16 20:38:00 -
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Originally by: demonfurbie Edited by: demonfurbie on 16/11/2006 20:32:59 i cant get on the test server(at work) what is the new slot lay out lay out for drake and hurri
is it only 5 launchers for drake... what are the other 3 slots
and how many fot the hurri?
i was looking foward to both ....
Drake had 7 launchers, now has 6. Hurricane had 7 turrets, now has 6. Both have 8 highs afaik.
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Jim McGregor
Caldari
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Posted - 2006.11.16 20:41:00 -
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Originally by: Patch86
Doesn't this tell you that the single best DPS is available from a Hurricane (with hail) and the most consistently high-damage weapon at all ranges other than >5000m is the Hurricane with barrage?
Sounds pretty uber to me.
He is comparing to the Drake. You should have a look at this graph instead, where the new "balance" can be seen.
With heavy drones, myrmidon has equal dps to hurricane at 15k btw (doesnt show in graph).
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demonfurbie
Minmatar Guerrillas in the Mist
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Posted - 2006.11.16 20:41:00 -
[63]
are the other slots turr. or just high?
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Segmentor
Hunters Agency Firmus Ixion
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Posted - 2006.11.16 20:42:00 -
[64]
Im not flying Minmatar myself, but this DPS nerf-spree is a bit too much. I mean COME ON, you add a 50% HP bonus to all ships, nerf T2 ammo, and now you decrease the damage output of certain ships? WTF is that? You should be off increasing it ffs! ---
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Nonoffensive
Sniggerdly
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Posted - 2006.11.16 20:49:00 -
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Originally by: Jim McGregor
He is comparing to the Drake. You should have a look at this graph instead, where the new "balance" can be seen.
With heavy drones, myrmidon has equal dps to hurricane at 15k btw (doesnt show in graph).
And there is a line on top of all of them from 2km to 25km that isn't the Myrmidon. Your point is?
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Ath Amon
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Posted - 2006.11.16 20:52:00 -
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i think the point is that hurricane before the "rebalance" was so uber for a minnie ship...
now is fine, it get outdps and outcapped by the harbringer, outdamaged by both brutix (T1 gang ship) and myrmidon... what a luck that the drake was nerfed into oblivion
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Brother Todd
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Posted - 2006.11.16 20:54:00 -
[67]
Originally by: Jim McGregor
Originally by: Patch86
Doesn't this tell you that the single best DPS is available from a Hurricane (with hail) and the most consistently high-damage weapon at all ranges other than >5000m is the Hurricane with barrage?
Sounds pretty uber to me.
He is comparing to the Drake. You should have a look at this graph instead, where the new "balance" can be seen.
With heavy drones, myrmidon has equal dps to hurricane at 15k btw (doesnt show in graph).
The hurricane still looks sweet. But you know that comparing 220mm autocannons (that fit with full tank) to heavy pulse lasers (that barely fit with a crap tank) is not only unfair, it's just stupid.
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keepiru
Supernova Security Systems
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Posted - 2006.11.16 21:17:00 -
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A little? 425mm & HAML vs. HP maybe, as far as fitting options and cap/sec go... ----------------
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Yoshimako
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Posted - 2006.11.16 21:55:00 -
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I know that the nerf hurts and tbh i think they may have gone overboard with it but do not despair.
I cant fly it i will admit but remember that the BC's have had their agil buffed, I personally would look to fitting the hurricane like you would a stabber. It may sound a bit stupid but i honestly think it could kick ass.
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Mortuus
Minmatar Just-fun Distant Star Alliance
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Posted - 2006.11.16 21:56:00 -
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For the love of god, if nothing else give me my 7th gun back and take some more PG so she can't fit a plate.
Wait, if you do that Arty won't work either, wait, it won't work now....Maybe they should look into this whole armor plates thing. Its about time oversized plates and extenders went away..
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Jessickah
Minmatar Sanguine Legion Pirate Coalition
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Posted - 2006.11.16 22:07:00 -
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Why you'd fit a plate to a notoriously fast battlecruiser is beyond me.. speed tank imho.
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keepiru
Supernova Security Systems
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Posted - 2006.11.16 22:17:00 -
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Because speed tank is not much of a tank when you're still slower than most cruisers. ----------------
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HankMurphy
Pelennor Swarm Eternal Rangers of Terror
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Posted - 2006.11.16 22:29:00 -
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well, looks like some swings of the bat have been made since i last was forum wh**ing.
at first i wanted to spit at my monitor: "WHY!?!? , gimmie my **** turret and PG back!"
then i tried to look at the whole thing a bit more subjectively....
Fact of the matter is, we all have high hopes for our respective race's new BC's. That being said, i think the way the drake and the hurricane were before was too much of a threat as replacing current battlefield juggernaughts. They were overpowered a bit.
They were **** near battleships in every sense of the word. I wish i was gonna get uber pwnage w/ my hurricane, BUT I was not being biased as that ship was my own race.
However, the drake was right up there w/ her, and since it belonged to another race, it was easy for me to see it was overpowered. If it got the bat, i can understand why minnie's got the bat too.
I dont think we want a tech I ship that can **** near out perform the next class above it, and its tech II cousins. In the end i think this will probly be for the best. (omg i cant believe i just said that)
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Ath Amon
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Posted - 2006.11.16 22:51:00 -
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Edited by: Ath Amon on 16/11/2006 22:51:43 i don't agree that hurricane was overpowered, compared it to the harbringer left and right and they seemed quite balanced to me
hurr was doing a bit more dps under 7km and was faster while the harbringer had good dps up to 25-30km and and better base tank
as said to me it seem balanced and in line with race "stats"
they where very similar ships with similar fitting too
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Gragnor
Ordos Humanitas
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Posted - 2006.11.16 22:54:00 -
[75]
Sigh.....look at the graphs. Yet another NERF to Mimitar. L33T to fighting to survive.
Why bother........
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Linkel
Minmatar Back Home In Time For Tea And Medals The Volition Cult
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Posted - 2006.11.16 23:19:00 -
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Oh brilliant, just ******* brilliant. I also was anticipating this BC. Kali means **** to me now. Why do Minnies get such a hard deal? Just give us that one ship to be proud of!!!!!
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HankMurphy
Pelennor Swarm Eternal Rangers of Terror
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Posted - 2006.11.16 23:21:00 -
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Originally by: Linkel Oh brilliant, just ******* brilliant. I also was anticipating this BC. Kali means **** to me now. Why do Minnies get such a hard deal? Just give us that one ship to be proud of!!!!!
cause we are such good pilots!
now, to feel better, go check out the caldari's crying about how they dont have any good ships :P
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keepiru
Supernova Security Systems
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Posted - 2006.11.16 23:30:00 -
[78]
Originally by: HankMurphy now, to feel better, go check out the caldari's crying about how they dont have any good ships :P
Well, to be totally fair them, with the Drake changes every single BC-sized caldari ship sucks.
Except as PVE ships, and that's hardly a valid argument. ----------------
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Ryo Jang
Central Defiance Ushra'Khan
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Posted - 2006.11.17 00:13:00 -
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Originally by: keepiru
Originally by: HankMurphy now, to feel better, go check out the caldari's crying about how they dont have any good ships :P
Well, to be totally fair them, with the Drake changes every single BC-sized caldari ship sucks.
Except as PVE ships, and that's hardly a valid argument.
oh dear, your ship isnt the best? how sad.
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Wrayeth
Tabula Rasa Systems The Star Fraction
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Posted - 2006.11.17 00:17:00 -
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Originally by: Ryo Jang oh dear, your ship isnt the best? how sad.
/WHAP!
He never said it needed to be the best. It just needs to do something other than suck. Removing a launcher hardpoint was fine, but not changing the RoF bonus to a kinetic damage bonus.
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Zixxa
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Posted - 2006.11.17 00:21:00 -
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Originally by: Ryo Jang
Originally by: keepiru
Originally by: HankMurphy now, to feel better, go check out the caldari's crying about how they dont have any good ships :P
Well, to be totally fair them, with the Drake changes every single BC-sized caldari ship sucks.
Except as PVE ships, and that's hardly a valid argument.
oh dear, your ship isnt the best? how sad.
Yes, Caldari ship isnt best. Matar have Vaga, Tempest, best in the class of HAC and fleet BS.
--------------------------------- Hint: Train for Mega, not for Rokh R.I.P. <Torpedo Raven> R.I.P. <Eagle> R.I.P. <ECM> R.I.P. <Drake>
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Ath Amon
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Posted - 2006.11.17 00:29:00 -
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with kali minnies will be crappy at long range... bye bye fleetpest
vagabond is a very good solo ship, but i will not call it the best hac... in gangs is not that great...
also i'm quite curious to see it with kali... it could become way stronger or quite useless...
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Zixxa
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Posted - 2006.11.17 00:36:00 -
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Originally by: Ath Amon with kali minnies will be crappy at long range... bye bye fleetpest
Sorry, seems it will still have best alpha-strike, i.e. it will be best fleet BS.
Quote: vagabond is a very good solo ship, but i will not call it the best hac... in gangs is not that great...
It is better than Zealot, Cerb and Deimos. Everywhere. May be Cerb is better in PvP, but who cares? --------------------------------- Hint: Train for Mega, not for Rokh R.I.P. <Torpedo Raven> R.I.P. <Eagle> R.I.P. <ECM> R.I.P. <Drake>
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Atar
Perpetua Umbra Brotherhood Of Steel
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Posted - 2006.11.17 00:52:00 -
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Edited by: Atar on 17/11/2006 01:00:52 WTF! There was no reason to nerf the Hurricane, it was just fine. The drake yes, A hurricane couldn't take a drake, but the hurricane and Harbringer were fine, just need to bring down the drake and up the myr. Might as well nerf the abbadon, since it sucks anyhow.
FFS it feel more like "Jez...people like the Hurricane, we better nerf it" and I mean that with all sincerity I can express.
Oh and where is all that exploration content? Wrecks? Wow I can explore a wreck that's exciting...
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Rockbox
Amarr Veto.
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Posted - 2006.11.17 01:17:00 -
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Edited by: Rockbox on 17/11/2006 01:17:39 Tux how does dropping the dps and tank of a gank ship balence its ability to tank?
PUT THE TURRET BACK PLZKTHX
Drop a lowslot if it tanks to well but dont for the love of god take the dps away from a gank ship.
On another note
Visit us at VETO FORUMS!!1!
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Patch86
Di-Tron Heavy Industries Freelancer Alliance
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Posted - 2006.11.17 01:38:00 -
[86]
Originally by: Jim McGregor
With heavy drones, myrmidon has equal dps to hurricane at 15k btw (doesnt show in graph).
You would rather be forgetting that, with 4 heavy drones, the Myrmidon has the survival potential of a butternut squash. 4 drones would popped within 1 minute, and each one thats popped takes a serious chunk out of it's DPS. Its DPS therefor looks artifically high if you assume it's drones will remain at full strength from the begining to the end of the fight. -----------------------------------------------
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keepiru
Supernova Security Systems
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Posted - 2006.11.17 03:19:00 -
[87]
Originally by: Rockbox Tux how does dropping the dps and tank of a gank ship balence its ability to tank?
You're assuming that CCP thinks these kind of changes through.
I think its been proved to most people's satisfaction that this is not the case. ----------------
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Protunia
Gallente Horadrim
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Posted - 2006.11.17 03:32:00 -
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The hurricane doesnt need a biiger drone bay 100 m3 is quite enough.
heh I guess we can change the name know to the Guster My Character Stats |
Slash Harnet
Minmatar Dark Pegasus Enterprises
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Posted - 2006.11.17 04:07:00 -
[89]
Wow, now I really am having a bad week. Hopefully CCP changes their minds, because I was looking forward to flying something other the a battleship again.
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Goumindong
Amarr Merch Industrial
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Posted - 2006.11.17 04:22:00 -
[90]
Originally by: Ryo Jang
Originally by: keepiru
Originally by: HankMurphy now, to feel better, go check out the caldari's crying about how they dont have any good ships :P
Well, to be totally fair them, with the Drake changes every single BC-sized caldari ship sucks.
Except as PVE ships, and that's hardly a valid argument.
oh dear, your ship isnt the best? how sad.
Im pretty sure that he flies minmatar and not Caldari.
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keepiru
Supernova Security Systems
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Posted - 2006.11.17 06:00:00 -
[91]
Horizontally specced for BC/cruisers actually, so the nerfbat doesn't really hurt me from a combat efficiency POV, I just hop into another race's ship. *shrug*
It saddens me to see potentially interesting ships go the way of the feorx though, no matter what the race.
There's balanced, and then there's useless. ----------------
Kali ships worth flying left: Harbinger, Rokh. Only 2 left tux, you can make it! |
Pattern Clarc
The Priory
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Posted - 2006.11.17 06:03:00 -
[92]
it loses a turret and suddenly it's broken??
I agree it was the wrong nerf(should have been with the plates), but seriously people, get a grip. Sig removed lacks EVE content, email [email protected] if you have any questions - Xorus |
Max Hardcase
Art of War Anarchy Empire
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Posted - 2006.11.17 07:49:00 -
[93]
Edited by: Max Hardcase on 17/11/2006 07:50:00
Originally by: Pattern Clarc it loses a turret and suddenly it's broken??
I agree it was the wrong nerf(should have been with the plates), but seriously people, get a grip.
Well look at it this way : relative to the hp changes it does as much damage as a rupture did b4 patch. Relative to the rupture it does 50% more damage.
And thats for atleast a 5x price premium.
I'd like to see a graph comparing the Tier 2 BC to the Tier 1 BS from a DPS per isk (in M isk) ratio.
I'm also disappointed the Command ship pilots have to cry, but they already knew they where paying a price premium for Tech2. Might as well cry a BS does more damage than a command ship while being cheaper.
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Jim McGregor
Caldari
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Posted - 2006.11.17 08:55:00 -
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Edited by: Jim McGregor on 17/11/2006 08:55:22
Originally by: Protunia The hurricane doesnt need a biiger drone bay 100 m3 is quite enough.
heh I guess we can change the name know to the Guster
Except it has 30 m3. --- Eve Wiki | Eve Tribune | Eve Pirate |
Jim McGregor
Caldari
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Posted - 2006.11.17 08:56:00 -
[95]
Originally by: Patch86
Originally by: Jim McGregor
With heavy drones, myrmidon has equal dps to hurricane at 15k btw (doesnt show in graph).
You would rather be forgetting that, with 4 heavy drones, the Myrmidon has the survival potential of a butternut squash. 4 drones would popped within 1 minute, and each one thats popped takes a serious chunk out of it's DPS. Its DPS therefor looks artifically high if you assume it's drones will remain at full strength from the begining to the end of the fight.
Thats a load of crap. I would put 3 dampeners on it and have a field day killing people who cant target my drones before they are dead. The ship has 5 medium slots ffs.
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Linkel
Minmatar Back Home In Time For Tea And Medals The Volition Cult
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Posted - 2006.11.17 11:02:00 -
[96]
What's the chances of CCP undoing these chances or at least give us back out turret please? **** It was too good to be true. A good Minnie ship kinda down the drain.
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Ath Amon
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Posted - 2006.11.17 11:16:00 -
[97]
Edited by: Ath Amon on 17/11/2006 11:18:13 no the ship is not broken but
A) the nerf was mage in the wrong way: if dps was really too high (imo it was not the case) you can reduce it with other means than removing a turret (read drones or ham)
B) and more important the motivations behind the nerf where laughtable at best
you can't say that the ship melts enemies in no time when there are ships in the same class that do more damge... expecially when one of the ship is a dedicated ganker and the other one have gang modules capabilities
you also can't say that when there is a ship that with 1 less gun do around 15% less damage under 7km but have an optimal of 20km
i had really the impression that this was a nerf because people liked it...
look people like the hurricane, it means it is too good let's nerf it...
or maybe because someone at fanfest convinced the developer that it was umbalanced? (if this is really the case is really a problem)
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Brolly
Caldari The Department of Justice
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Posted - 2006.11.17 11:22:00 -
[98]
******, I was hoping there would be 1 kick arse ship left, ****it.
Why the hell did they not just buff the other 2 bc's?, why?.
/me is most unimpressed.
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solidshot
Sebiestor tribe
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Posted - 2006.11.17 11:28:00 -
[99]
Originally by: Brolly
Why the hell did they not just buff the other 2 bc's?, why?.
Because that would have been to simple and would have actually given the minnie's a ship that was good from the start without haveing to whine on the forums for three years in the hope that a dev will buff it
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MECTO
Xenobytes Against ALL Authorities
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Posted - 2006.11.17 12:09:00 -
[100]
"omg hurri lost 1 turret - z0mg rip kill tux!" - what a bull**** i hear lol! , hurricane is still a very nice **** ship with 6 turrets and buni like rupture, yeah.. be happy to not get changed 5% dmg boni to 7.5% shield boost i mean, not now later..
It's Great Being Carebear in Kali - aint it?
Originally by: Tuxford In this picture you might think that Gallente totally pwn. Well they're alright
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Ysolde Xen
Minmatar Liberal Trading Co Electus Matari
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Posted - 2006.11.17 12:22:00 -
[101]
Originally by: Protunia
heh I guess we can change the name know to the Guster
I was thinking more along the lines of 'Stiff Breeze' as a relative term.
Bah. Oh well.
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Shayla Sh'inlux
Gallente
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Posted - 2006.11.17 12:30:00 -
[102]
So in summary:
t2 BC stats are being released.
Amarr: OMG we have nothing we suck Gallente: OMG Myrmidon is useless wtf Drake?? Caldari: haha Drake is fine un00b we're supposed to omgpwn Minmatar: Ssssht let's not discuss Hurricane cos it omgrocks
t2 BC stats are rebalanced:
Amarr: Hmmpf, we have best dps now so I guess that's good Gallente: Thank god for nerfing Drake. Can't really whine about still useless Myrmidon tho. ****. Caldari: OMGOHNOES we lost out omgwtfownage ship nooo CCP we're supposed to be the best cos we use missiles!!11 Minmatar: OMGOHNOES we still outdamage everything but Harbinger at 5km+ and still have best DPS at point blank but now we suck cos we have to use missiles instead of the turret NOOOOO!!
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Tani Yih
Minmatar NED-Clan R i s e
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Posted - 2006.11.17 12:47:00 -
[103]
I was actually -happy- we had a non-battleship which filled a role in which you don't need missiles. I was happy not to have to use any missiles. Or rather, I liked filling it with guns.
But I suppose I am like the others: I very much was taken by the hurricane.
Incidentally, I heard the Drake has its bonus' changed. Was the hurricane changed besides the slot changes?
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Ath Amon
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Posted - 2006.11.17 12:52:00 -
[104]
Originally by: Shayla Sh'inlux So in summary:
Minmatar: OMGOHNOES we still outdamage everything but Harbinger at 5km+ and still have best DPS at point blank but now we suck cos we have to use missiles instead of the turret NOOOOO!!
brutix have and had better dps...
nerf the brutix?
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Matrix Aran
Legio Immortalis
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Posted - 2006.11.17 12:55:00 -
[105]
Originally by: Shayla Sh'inlux So in summary:
t2 BC stats are being released.
Amarr: OMG we have nothing we suck Gallente: OMG Myrmidon is useless wtf Drake?? Caldari: haha Drake is fine un00b we're supposed to omgpwn Minmatar: Ssssht let's not discuss Hurricane cos it omgrocks
t2 BC stats are rebalanced:
Amarr: Hmmpf, we have best dps now so I guess that's good Gallente: Thank god for nerfing Drake. Can't really whine about still useless Myrmidon tho. ****. Caldari: OMGOHNOES we lost out omgwtfownage ship nooo CCP we're supposed to be the best cos we use missiles!!11 Minmatar: OMGOHNOES we still outdamage everything but Harbinger at 5km+ and still have best DPS at point blank but now we suck cos we have to use missiles instead of the turret NOOOOO!!
I don't think I could have done it better myself ----
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Gragnor
Ordos Humanitas
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Posted - 2006.11.17 13:37:00 -
[106]
Originally by: Matrix Aran
Originally by: Shayla Sh'inlux So in summary:
t2 BC stats are being released.
Amarr: OMG we have nothing we suck Gallente: OMG Myrmidon is useless wtf Drake?? Caldari: haha Drake is fine un00b we're supposed to omgpwn Minmatar: Ssssht let's not discuss Hurricane cos it omgrocks
t2 BC stats are rebalanced:
Amarr: Hmmpf, we have best dps now so I guess that's good Gallente: Thank god for nerfing Drake. Can't really whine about still useless Myrmidon tho. ****. Caldari: OMGOHNOES we lost out omgwtfownage ship nooo CCP we're supposed to be the best cos we use missiles!!11 Minmatar: OMGOHNOES we still outdamage everything but Harbinger at 5km+ and still have best DPS at point blank but now we suck cos we have to use missiles instead of the turret NOOOOO!!
I don't think I could have done it better myself
I tell you what; I'll swap the Typhoon stats for the Dominix or the Megathron; better still; I'll give you the Typhoon and take the Raven. Then see what it means.
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Pesadel0
Vagabundos THE H0RDE
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Posted - 2006.11.17 13:40:00 -
[107]
Originally by: Matrix Aran
Originally by: Shayla Sh'inlux So in summary:
t2 BC stats are being released.
Amarr: OMG we have nothing we suck Gallente: OMG Myrmidon is useless wtf Drake?? Caldari: haha Drake is fine un00b we're supposed to omgpwn Minmatar: Ssssht let's not discuss Hurricane cos it omgrocks
t2 BC stats are rebalanced:
Amarr: Hmmpf, we have best dps now so I guess that's good Gallente: Thank god for nerfing Drake. Can't really whine about still useless Myrmidon tho. ****. Caldari: OMGOHNOES we lost out omgwtfownage ship nooo CCP we're supposed to be the best cos we use missiles!!11 Minmatar: OMGOHNOES we still outdamage everything but Harbinger at 5km+ and still have best DPS at point blank but now we suck cos we have to use missiles instead of the turret NOOOOO!!
I don't think I could have done it better myself
Galentean pilots.
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Shayla Sh'inlux
Gallente
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Posted - 2006.11.17 14:18:00 -
[108]
Edited by: Shayla Sh''inlux on 17/11/2006 14:26:57
Originally by: Ath Amon
brutix have and had better dps...
It does?
Not according to your own graph
That, plus comparing a ship with NO tank (your Brutix) that has to shoot with extra cap use ammo and empties its cap in under 30 seconds from just shooting to a ship WITH room for a tank and NO cap use for its weapons isn't entirely fair is it? Also what about the brown line, about 100dps above all Brutix lines from over 10km? Isn't that your precious RIP'ed Hurricane?
Nerf Brutix indeed. After all, it's the top of the food chain on TQ, everyone flies one and everyone is flying it in uber gank mode. Nobody is fitting small guns and plates to run anti-frig duty cos that's all it's good at. Nope.
Brutix is the prime example why DPS Graphs mean absolutely ****e. You know, like Deimos having hot DPS compared to other HAC's and still being absolute, complete crap. And Abaddon having omgshiny DPS and being pretty much the worst of all new ships.
What we have now is Matar and Caldari pilots whining their new shiny toys of ownage got nuked down to the level of the OTHER less shiny new toys. If you'd put that level as "useless", then maybe your definition of "useless" is CCP's aim for the powerlevel of cheap, insurable, easy to train for, expandable Battlecruisers.
Not that I have any faith in Tuxford actually having a plan or an aim on that matter anywhere. To me all the news stuff, changes and balancing looks purely random anyway.
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Ath Amon
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Posted - 2006.11.17 14:34:00 -
[109]
Edited by: Ath Amon on 17/11/2006 14:38:33 noticed that the brutix was using the electron and not ion vs 220mm?
noticed that it was the old hurricane with 7 guns/1 ham?
noticed that the brutix have a tank bonus?
noticed that brutix is T1 and that T2 BCs are supposed to be better in combat than T1 ones as they get (generally) 2 more slots?
noticed that the brutix is a ship designed to use gangs modules while the hurricane is a pure dps one?
and still my point was that brutix was able to outdps the hurricane... if hurricane dps was too high to "melt other ships before they can say ohhh look at that pretty ship" (sort of that?) this is not valid for the brutix?
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Patch86
Di-Tron Heavy Industries Freelancer Alliance
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Posted - 2006.11.17 14:43:00 -
[110]
Originally by: Ath Amon Edited by: Ath Amon on 17/11/2006 14:38:33 noticed that the brutix was using the electron and not ion vs 220mm?
noticed that it was the old hurricane with 7 guns/1 ham?
noticed that the brutix have a tank bonus?
noticed that brutix is T1 and that T2 BCs are supposed to be better in combat than T1 ones as they get (generally) 2 more slots?
noticed that the brutix is a ship designed to use gangs modules while the hurricane is a pure dps one?
and still my point was that brutix was able to outdps the hurricane... if hurricane dps was too high to "melt other ships before they can say ohhh look at that pretty ship" (sort of that?) this is not valid for the brutix?
Last time I checked, Hurricane could fit gang modules too (although the fitting bonus was accidentally left off the description page of all the new BCs- still there though, according to Tux).
Brutix is severely overrated due to it's cap- its tanking bonus is an acitve tank bonus (reppers) and 7 turrets eats through it's cap in under a minute on its own anyway. The hurricane's weapons don't use any cap- thats a big balancing factor, aside from "omgbbq dps". The Brutix is meant to have a higher DPS (as does the harbinger) to make up for it's crippling cap use. Thats the deal- more difficult to use weapons = better performance in exchange. Why else would anyone use a Brutix, if Hurricane could do the same damage with projectiles without using a drop of cap? -----------------------------------------------
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Ath Amon
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Posted - 2006.11.17 14:53:00 -
[111]
Edited by: Ath Amon on 17/11/2006 14:55:25 if even new BCs can use gang modules then is a bit different as they share the same role, but also open new problems as most T1 BCs becomes totally obsolete (cept the brutix)
comparing cyc and hurricane there is no game, hurr have better tank and way better dps... so to me it made sense than T1 where gang support while T2 where "combat" bcs, expecially considering their 2 more slots (that are a lot)
are you sure they also share the same role?
also a thing that i don't like is that with T1 BCs gallente got their "uber" dpsmobile while other races got crap... and now that T2 BCs came out and are supposed to be better than T1 here that they need to get nerfed cause brutix stats
and again more than the nerf itself what makes me mad is how and why it was done
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Patch86
Di-Tron Heavy Industries Freelancer Alliance
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Posted - 2006.11.17 14:58:00 -
[112]
Edited by: Patch86 on 17/11/2006 15:02:43
Originally by: Ath Amon Edited by: Ath Amon on 17/11/2006 14:55:25 are you sure they also share the same role?
Fairly. I'll have a poke on EVE-Search and see if I can dig it up.
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swamp zyro
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Posted - 2006.11.17 15:01:00 -
[113]
Edited by: swamp zyro on 17/11/2006 15:02:28
Originally by: Shayla Sh'inlux
Minmatar: OMGOHNOES we still outdamage everything but Harbinger at 5km+ and still have best DPS at point blank but now we suck cos we have to use missiles instead of the turret NOOOOO!!
What's your problem ? Have you, like, forgotten what it is to have low sp? People already have to train for shieldtanks, armortanks, gunnery, drones, and I hoped, for once, that I wouldnt have to train for ******* missiles also, so you can take those missiles and shove them, thank you.
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Swamp Ziro
EPSILON TEAM Ushra'Khan
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Posted - 2006.11.17 15:03:00 -
[114]
Originally by: swamp zyro Edited by: swamp zyro on 17/11/2006 15:02:28
Originally by: Shayla Sh'inlux
Minmatar: OMGOHNOES we still outdamage everything but Harbinger at 5km+ and still have best DPS at point blank but now we suck cos we have to use missiles instead of the turret NOOOOO!!
What's your problem ? Have you, like, forgotten what it is to have low sp? People already have to train for shieldtanks, armortanks, gunnery, drones, and I hoped, for once, that I wouldnt have to train for ******* missiles also, so you can take those missiles and shove them, thank you.
Bah wrong character again =/
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Malena Panic
Gallente Acme Technologies Incorporated Ushra'Khan
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Posted - 2006.11.17 15:37:00 -
[115]
Originally by: Shayla Sh'inlux So in summary
Can you please do a daily brief in this format so I don't have to wade through gigs of crap and whinage to find out what's going on on Kali?
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Alex Harumichi
Gallente Gradient Namtz'aar k'in
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Posted - 2006.11.17 15:53:00 -
[116]
Originally by: Jim McGregor
Originally by: Patch86
Originally by: Jim McGregor
With heavy drones, myrmidon has equal dps to hurricane at 15k btw (doesnt show in graph).
You would rather be forgetting that, with 4 heavy drones, the Myrmidon has the survival potential of a butternut squash. 4 drones would popped within 1 minute, and each one thats popped takes a serious chunk out of it's DPS. Its DPS therefor looks artifically high if you assume it's drones will remain at full strength from the begining to the end of the fight.
Thats a load of crap. I would put 3 dampeners on it and have a field day killing people who cant target my drones before they are dead. The ship has 5 medium slots ffs.
...and that's a load of crap. Jim, forget your "put 3 damps on a Myrmidon pet theory already. That leaves you 2 slots in which to fit ab/mwd, web and scrambler. You don't do 3 damps with less that 6 mids.
The reason ECM was so powerful (especially on drone ships like the Dom) was that if worked fine with just 1-2 modules, making it good with 5 mids. Damps don't work that way.
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Alex Harumichi
Gallente Gradient Namtz'aar k'in
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Posted - 2006.11.17 15:58:00 -
[117]
Originally by: Shayla Sh'inlux
What we have now is Matar and Caldari pilots whining their new shiny toys of ownage got nuked down to the level of the OTHER less shiny new toys. If you'd put that level as "useless", then maybe your definition of "useless" is CCP's aim for the powerlevel of cheap, insurable, easy to train for, expandable Battlecruisers.
Not that I have any faith in Tuxford actually having a plan or an aim on that matter anywhere. To me all the news stuff, changes and balancing looks purely random anyway.
Have to agree here. While the nerf did make the new bcs a bit less equal, they also made them as a group somewhat worse ships. I would have much rather had seen a mild boost to the Myrmidon (and a fix to broken t2 HAMs) myself instead of this nerf.
Yeah, Tux's balancing method seems to involve alcohol and a dartboard more than reasoned, careful balance shifts.
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Alex Harumichi
Gallente Gradient Namtz'aar k'in
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Posted - 2006.11.17 16:01:00 -
[118]
Edited by: Alex Harumichi on 17/11/2006 16:01:25
Originally by: swamp zyro [ What's your problem ? Have you, like, forgotten what it is to have low sp? People already have to train for shieldtanks, armortanks, gunnery, drones, and I hoped, for once, that I wouldnt have to train for ******* missiles also, so you can take those missiles and shove them, thank you.
What's your problem? I mostly fly Gallente, and I've had to train that above list, and missiles too. Since missiles are actually a primary weapon class for Manmatar (unlike Gallente), you should have much less problems training them than me, not more.
*****ing about having to train for one of your racial primary weapon classes isn't that smart, really. You easily start to sound like the Caldari horde going bat**** about actually having to train (shudder) railguns...
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Ath Amon
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Posted - 2006.11.17 16:08:00 -
[119]
if missiles are primary weapon for minnies then why their missile BS have 4/4 split weapons and not a 6/2 as the raven?
mmmmmmmm
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Alex Harumichi
Gallente Gradient Namtz'aar k'in
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Posted - 2006.11.17 16:17:00 -
[120]
Originally by: Ath Amon if missiles are primary weapon for minnies then why their missile BS have 4/4 split weapons and not a 6/2 as the raven?
mmmmmmmm
Hey, it's not my fault the devs haven't released a proper missile ship for Minmatar yet.
Ok, maybe "primary" was the wrong word, but "secondary" or "racial" certainly isn't. Projectiles and missiles have always been the Minmatar thing.
...and that 4/4 Phoon *is* still the second-best missile battleship in the game, you know.
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Ath Amon
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Posted - 2006.11.17 16:30:00 -
[121]
/cought
ehm phoon is second missile bs because there are just 2 missile BS or better 1 and half
also to have missiles as second weapon should not mean that all minnie ships should get a split weapon system or have less turrets...
but that there should be some turret boats and some missile boats...
gallente to do an example have blasterboats and droneboats... not a split mix of them
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Bellum Veritas
Minmatar CRICE Corporation Lotka Volterra
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Posted - 2006.11.17 16:31:00 -
[122]
Edited by: Bellum Veritas on 17/11/2006 16:34:36 I was actually skilling up for the Hurricane. As a dedicated Matari pilot (EVE on Hard Mode), I was actually looking forward to a ship that I didn't need 9m+ SPs to fly well. Oh well, the one godda^^ned thing I was looking forward to in Kali, has been hijacked. At least I still have Salvage to look forward to...
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Atar
Perpetua Umbra Brotherhood Of Steel
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Posted - 2006.11.17 20:18:00 -
[123]
Yes please, we don't need another ships to stick a couple launchers on, we need a ship that is ONLY projectiles, a pure mini ship, I really don't understand this.
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Bellum Veritas
Minmatar CRICE Corporation Lotka Volterra
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Posted - 2006.11.17 21:16:00 -
[124]
I know why we can't get a pure either Projectile or Missile ship. Everyone, from the stinking Amarr to the Gallente, are so scared of Minnie ships. They bit<hed about the alpha strike so guess what, HP boost nerfs that. They bit<hed about the Hurricane being overpwred and, lo and behold, it lost a turret and got beat to death with the nerfbat.
CCP is very smart in listening to it's playerbase. Most folks are Caldari, so Caldari will always get new sh*t in any upgrade. Gallente being next, won't get as many goodies. Basically, IMHO Matari and Amarr get bent over every time.
Personally, there's not a single new ship (other than the Rokh) that I'm interested in flying. As long as the nerfbat doesn't swing too much to our current ships, I'll live with what I have and make do. So, stay afraid of the Matari tribes. Ya'll haven't seen anything yet.
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NightmareX
Caldari MAFIA Pirate Coalition
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Posted - 2006.11.18 00:42:00 -
[125]
Edited by: NightmareX on 18/11/2006 00:50:51 LMAO @ all of this omg omg Hurricane sux big time, and R.I.P Hurricane whine.
Even when the Hurricane lost some few % of damage when it lost one turret slot, it's still very good.
Well for me that have pretty good projectile skills, then the turrets is fine, and i have good missiles skills to, so yeah, i fit up a Heavy Missile Launcher II, or a Heavy Assault Missile launcher II that we only can use on sisi atm instead of the 7th turret.
So for me the Hurricane is still very good
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Bellum Veritas
Minmatar CRICE Corporation Lotka Volterra
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Posted - 2006.11.18 00:55:00 -
[126]
Originally by: NightmareX Edited by: NightmareX on 18/11/2006 00:50:51 LMAO @ all of this omg omg Hurricane sux big time, and R.I.P Hurricane whine.
Even when the Hurricane lost some few % of damage when it lost one turret slot, it's still very good.
Well for me that have pretty good projectile skills, then the turrets is fine, and i have good missiles skills to, so yeah, i fit up a Heavy Missile Launcher II, or a Heavy Assault Missile launcher II that we only can use on sisi atm instead of the 7th turret.
So for me the Hurricane is still very good
Dood, know offense, but look at your statement. The thing that makes the Hurricane good is your skills, not anything inherently good about the ship (at this point).
I still say that, as long as there's going to be a huge increase of iskies I've got to shell out for this thing, I should get something for my money. Don't get me wrong, I play Minmatar because I love the challenge of playing a race that has sh*t for boats. But d*mn, can't we get a ship for once that doesn't demand that we have 9-10m SP's to fly effectively?
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Shardrael
Caldari AWE Corporation Ascendant Frontier
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Posted - 2006.11.18 03:46:00 -
[127]
I would have liked to fly the hurricane on tq for just one week atleast before it lost that turret :p
that being said ffs people its not dead in the water, sorry if your cookie cutter setup now is 7.9% less effective and now worthless, its still an awesome ship for matari and I am still gonna fly it alot.
ive been into BC's since I started this game with a trial account back when most were considered the suck now we get a whole bunch more to play with and some unnerfing of the class in general its a great day for BC and command pilots enjoy what we get and hopefully the nerfbat will stay down until revelations goes live.
Originally by: Pinky Denmark
Caldari have other options like using rails or train for other ships/weapons...
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Atar
Perpetua Umbra Brotherhood Of Steel
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Posted - 2006.11.18 04:37:00 -
[128]
The loss of the turret really nerfed it's Arty capilites, that's the problem, alpha strike was already nerfed with the extra stats for autos just put in another NOS and make it's tank even harder to break.
With a full rack of 7 720s it already couldn't fit that good of a tank so there was no point in the nerf.
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Max Hardcase
Art of War Anarchy Empire
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Posted - 2006.11.18 10:07:00 -
[129]
Problem is the AC/Artie powergrid disparity.
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Aloysius Knight
Minmatar Black Nova Corp Band of Brothers
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Posted - 2006.11.18 11:00:00 -
[130]
and it will make the "ubertankcain" even more common as its the only real setup to use tbh
6 t2 dual 180mm 2 small nos mwd 20k scrabler web med injector 2 t2 med reps 2 t2 EANM 1600mm plate and gyro or damg control
wow look its almost exatly the same as before they removed the turret
way to go tux yet again you show us you have no fragin idea how to balance ships http://www.stevie.prince.dsl.pipex.com/AloysiusKnight.jpg http://img167.imageshack.us/img167/2107/nodecrashsiggb9.jpg Chose one, you must. Two is the way of pure ebilness, and pure ebilness is bad -ReverendM |
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Swamp Ziro
EPSILON TEAM Ushra'Khan
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Posted - 2006.11.18 17:39:00 -
[131]
Originally by: Alex Harumichi Edited by: Alex Harumichi on 17/11/2006 16:18:20 Edited by: Alex Harumichi on 17/11/2006 16:01:25
Originally by: swamp zyro [ What's your problem ? Have you, like, forgotten what it is to have low sp? People already have to train for shieldtanks, armortanks, gunnery, drones, and I hoped, for once, that I wouldnt have to train for ******* missiles also, so you can take those missiles and shove them, thank you.
What's your problem? I mostly fly Gallente, and I've had to train that above list, and missiles too. Since missiles are actually a primary weapon class for Manmatar (unlike Gallente), you should have much less problems training them than me, not more.
*****ing about having to train for one of your racial primary weapon classes isn't that smart, really. You easily start to sound like the Caldari horde going bat**** about actually having to train (shudder) railguns...
Added: ok, maybe missiles aren't "primary" weapons for Minmatar, but "secondary"/"racial" certainly.
I'm afraid you have your facts wrong. Turrets are Minmatar primary, Drones are secondary, and missiles are a third. Certainly behind drones. And you trained shieldtank for Gallente? Somehow, I don't see how that's a viable Gallente choice. So no, it doesn't even come close, even if you count missiles as a main part of the gallente progression, which I seriously doubt.
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Nova Beta
Minmatar Sebiestor tribe
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Posted - 2006.11.18 21:28:00 -
[132]
RIP - Hurricane
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cy4n1d3
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Posted - 2006.11.19 00:33:00 -
[133]
Put the 7th turret back. Slow it down or nerf its PG some more if you want. We just want to be able to fit 7 guns, you don't need to ruin a perfectly good ship design. We're tired of split configs. The Sliepnir and Maelstrom are great steps in the right direction, do the same with the Hurricane.
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Shardrael
Caldari AWE Corporation Ascendant Frontier
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Posted - 2006.11.19 00:36:00 -
[134]
granted arty did get the shaft a bit with this, I dont personally use arty much cept for mission running as I like the up close and personal shot, and if the tank with dps was such a prob then find a way to nerf the tank
I remember seeing a while back that these were supposed to be gank cruisers(let alone the problem with releasing gank ships in a patch where you wanted to hurt ganking) the problem came up that they did exactly what they were supposed to do, most of these BC's ganked but some tanked as well.... the solution to remove the gank was one I feel in the wrong direction. hopefully it wont go live exactly like this but if it does its not the end of the world.
I am a little saddened though as I was really waiting for the 7 turret bc for minnys and now that it is gone I will probably stick to my cyclone with its new agility to get the job done.
Originally by: Pinky Denmark
Caldari have other options like using rails or train for other ships/weapons...
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Selim
Jericho Fraction The Star Fraction
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Posted - 2006.11.19 00:48:00 -
[135]
All this change did was encourage the 1600 plate setup to be used even more. Give back the 7th turret, give back the powergrid, but make 1600 plates use much more power.
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Scoundrelus
Finite Horizon The Red Skull
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Posted - 2006.11.19 01:16:00 -
[136]
I think if you all whined less and experimented more you'd find that its still a good ship. Just because you can't insta-pop a Dreadnought is no cause for you to start spamming the forum. Also if Minmatar is EVE on hard mode then what the hell is Amarr? Hardcore? =============================================== And Scoundrelus walked the Forums once again, and all was turned to flame... |
Beringe
Caldari Raptus Regaliter
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Posted - 2006.11.19 01:50:00 -
[137]
The amount of people whining about the change tells me it was a good one.
Ditto drake. ------------------------------------------- "Sarcasm and irony are not to be used by the uninitiated."
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HankMurphy
Pelennor Swarm Eternal Rangers of Terror
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Posted - 2006.11.19 01:57:00 -
[138]
Originally by: Beringe The amount of people whining about the change tells me it was a good one.
Ditto drake.
yes. the new ships wont actually replace anything. i'm afraid they would have the way they were before
ppl wanted something above and beyond what ccp is ever gonna hand out..... especially for a tech I ship
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Patch86
Di-Tron Heavy Industries Freelancer Alliance
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Posted - 2006.11.19 01:58:00 -
[139]
Originally by: Ath Amon /cought
ehm phoon is second missile bs because there are just 2 missile BS or better 1 and half
also to have missiles as second weapon should not mean that all minnie ships should get a split weapon system or have less turrets...
but that there should be some turret boats and some missile boats...
gallente to do an example have blasterboats and droneboats... not a split mix of them
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cy4n1d3
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Posted - 2006.11.19 02:03:00 -
[140]
Originally by: Beringe The amount of people whining about the change tells me it was a good one.
Ditto drake.
No, it shows how many people realize it's a bad thing.
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HankMurphy
Pelennor Swarm Eternal Rangers of Terror
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Posted - 2006.11.19 02:13:00 -
[141]
Originally by: cy4n1d3
Originally by: Beringe The amount of people whining about the change tells me it was a good one.
Ditto drake.
No, it shows how many people realize it's a bad thing.
no, it shows what we already know about ppl. give them an inch and they will take a mile.
BOTH the drake and the hurricane will be effective and fun ships. CCP put them out there for testing. We get to check em out, take screen shots etc...
but then... then ccp has to adjust the ship (oh noes ), its not what THEY intended it to be (THEY = the ppl that decide how best to run the game). And all of a sudden you would think you just stole a hundreds ppls birthrights.
PPl rarely know what is best for themselves, more or less whats the best decisions for a successful MMO development team.
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Risien Drogonne
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Posted - 2006.11.19 02:13:00 -
[142]
Originally by: Selim All this change did was encourage the 1600 plate setup to be used even more. Give back the 7th turret, give back the powergrid, but make 1600 plates use much more power.
Oh yah, great idea. Let's nerf 1600 plates for everyone so the hurricane can't fit it as easily.
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Ath Amon
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Posted - 2006.11.19 02:33:00 -
[143]
Originally by: Patch86
Originally by: Ath Amon gallente to do an example have blasterboats and droneboats... not a split mix of them
Have you tried looking at the DPS of a Mega if you remove it's 5 Heavy Drones?
Drones are sort of required if you plan on flying Gallente- they're on every ship, and every ship is balanced with the assumption you're using them. If you havn't trained up a large amount of Drone SP in addition to your Hybrid SP, you'll be flying a mighty sub-par ship.
And the Domi has a Drone bonus and a Turret bonus; its a split bonus between its two main weapon systems, both of which are required for it to match the other BS in DPS - omgh4x!
Typhoon probably does have it worst of the whole bunch, but its far from a Minmatar-only sort of thing.
almost all bs can fit 5 heavy to boost their dps, and domi bonuses permit to do good damage just with drones (so the popular nosage boat)
these ships are at top of dps scale using 2 different type of weapons as primary... while the phoon (as you say) is at the bottom using split weapon system...
an exotic example for what i mean with split droneweapon can be a bs with 50 bay and drone bonus and 6 turrets with some tracking bonus...
a ship that can't use the weapons, and the bonuses it have at its best.... (as the phoon and some other minnie ships)
and about the post above me...
is interesting as it seem the promoter of hurricane nerfage was a player at fanfest... not to say all the whinage from amarr guys sayng that hurricane was overpowered compared to harbringer while the ship imo where quite similar and quite balanced...
things like... it tank better cause it have better fitting (1pg difference) or... it otdamage the harbringer at any range... when is clear that harbringer do better damage from 7 to 20km... comparsion of the 2 ships with hurricane using 8 high slots and not taking in account the nos on the harbringer...
maybe i'm not objective... but maybe they where not very objective too...
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Patch86
Di-Tron Heavy Industries Freelancer Alliance
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Posted - 2006.11.19 14:28:00 -
[144]
Originally by: Ath Amon almost all bs can fit 5 heavy to boost their dps, and domi bonuses permit to do good damage just with drones (so the popular nosage boat)
Actually, Raven can't, Scorp can't, Apoc can't, Tempest can't. Rokh can't, Abaddon can't, Maelstrom can't, Hyperion can't.
Only Domi, Mega, Typhoon, and Armageddon can.
Originally by: Ath Amon and domi bonuses permit to do good damage just with drones (so the popular nosage boat)
Also not entirely true. Assuming no Drone skills (just because it complicates the issue) but Gall BS 5, the Domi's 5 drones do about 400 DPS. And thats it. In order for it to do damage equivalent with the other BSs (such as, for example, the phoon) it needs a full rack of large hybrids.
The fact that the Domi makes a decent EWAR / Nos platform is, of course, a very good thing- but it's besides the point when we're talking about DPS.
The Domi is a split-weapon BS, if its to compete (tank and gank) with other BS. Luckily, though, it does work as one- Typhoon does have a few problems. -----------------------------------------------
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