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Jim McGregor
Caldari
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Posted - 2006.11.16 20:38:00 -
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Originally by: demonfurbie Edited by: demonfurbie on 16/11/2006 20:32:59 i cant get on the test server(at work) what is the new slot lay out lay out for drake and hurri
is it only 5 launchers for drake... what are the other 3 slots
and how many fot the hurri?
i was looking foward to both ....
Drake had 7 launchers, now has 6. Hurricane had 7 turrets, now has 6. Both have 8 highs afaik.
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Jim McGregor
Caldari
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Posted - 2006.11.16 20:41:00 -
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Originally by: Patch86
Doesn't this tell you that the single best DPS is available from a Hurricane (with hail) and the most consistently high-damage weapon at all ranges other than >5000m is the Hurricane with barrage?
Sounds pretty uber to me.
He is comparing to the Drake. You should have a look at this graph instead, where the new "balance" can be seen.
With heavy drones, myrmidon has equal dps to hurricane at 15k btw (doesnt show in graph).
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demonfurbie
Minmatar Guerrillas in the Mist
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Posted - 2006.11.16 20:41:00 -
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are the other slots turr. or just high?
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Segmentor
Hunters Agency Firmus Ixion
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Posted - 2006.11.16 20:42:00 -
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Im not flying Minmatar myself, but this DPS nerf-spree is a bit too much. I mean COME ON, you add a 50% HP bonus to all ships, nerf T2 ammo, and now you decrease the damage output of certain ships? WTF is that? You should be off increasing it ffs! ---
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Nonoffensive
Sniggerdly
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Posted - 2006.11.16 20:49:00 -
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Originally by: Jim McGregor
He is comparing to the Drake. You should have a look at this graph instead, where the new "balance" can be seen.
With heavy drones, myrmidon has equal dps to hurricane at 15k btw (doesnt show in graph).
And there is a line on top of all of them from 2km to 25km that isn't the Myrmidon. Your point is?
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Ath Amon
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Posted - 2006.11.16 20:52:00 -
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i think the point is that hurricane before the "rebalance" was so uber for a minnie ship...
now is fine, it get outdps and outcapped by the harbringer, outdamaged by both brutix (T1 gang ship) and myrmidon... what a luck that the drake was nerfed into oblivion
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Brother Todd
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Posted - 2006.11.16 20:54:00 -
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Originally by: Jim McGregor
Originally by: Patch86
Doesn't this tell you that the single best DPS is available from a Hurricane (with hail) and the most consistently high-damage weapon at all ranges other than >5000m is the Hurricane with barrage?
Sounds pretty uber to me.
He is comparing to the Drake. You should have a look at this graph instead, where the new "balance" can be seen.
With heavy drones, myrmidon has equal dps to hurricane at 15k btw (doesnt show in graph).
The hurricane still looks sweet. But you know that comparing 220mm autocannons (that fit with full tank) to heavy pulse lasers (that barely fit with a crap tank) is not only unfair, it's just stupid.
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keepiru
Supernova Security Systems
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Posted - 2006.11.16 21:17:00 -
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A little? 425mm & HAML vs. HP maybe, as far as fitting options and cap/sec go... ----------------
Kali ships worth flying left: Harbinger, Rokh. Only 2 left tux, you can make it! |
Yoshimako
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Posted - 2006.11.16 21:55:00 -
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I know that the nerf hurts and tbh i think they may have gone overboard with it but do not despair.
I cant fly it i will admit but remember that the BC's have had their agil buffed, I personally would look to fitting the hurricane like you would a stabber. It may sound a bit stupid but i honestly think it could kick ass.
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Mortuus
Minmatar Just-fun Distant Star Alliance
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Posted - 2006.11.16 21:56:00 -
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For the love of god, if nothing else give me my 7th gun back and take some more PG so she can't fit a plate.
Wait, if you do that Arty won't work either, wait, it won't work now....Maybe they should look into this whole armor plates thing. Its about time oversized plates and extenders went away..
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Jessickah
Minmatar Sanguine Legion Pirate Coalition
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Posted - 2006.11.16 22:07:00 -
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Why you'd fit a plate to a notoriously fast battlecruiser is beyond me.. speed tank imho.
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keepiru
Supernova Security Systems
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Posted - 2006.11.16 22:17:00 -
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Because speed tank is not much of a tank when you're still slower than most cruisers. ----------------
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HankMurphy
Pelennor Swarm Eternal Rangers of Terror
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Posted - 2006.11.16 22:29:00 -
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well, looks like some swings of the bat have been made since i last was forum wh**ing.
at first i wanted to spit at my monitor: "WHY!?!? , gimmie my **** turret and PG back!"
then i tried to look at the whole thing a bit more subjectively....
Fact of the matter is, we all have high hopes for our respective race's new BC's. That being said, i think the way the drake and the hurricane were before was too much of a threat as replacing current battlefield juggernaughts. They were overpowered a bit.
They were **** near battleships in every sense of the word. I wish i was gonna get uber pwnage w/ my hurricane, BUT I was not being biased as that ship was my own race.
However, the drake was right up there w/ her, and since it belonged to another race, it was easy for me to see it was overpowered. If it got the bat, i can understand why minnie's got the bat too.
I dont think we want a tech I ship that can **** near out perform the next class above it, and its tech II cousins. In the end i think this will probly be for the best. (omg i cant believe i just said that)
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Ath Amon
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Posted - 2006.11.16 22:51:00 -
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Edited by: Ath Amon on 16/11/2006 22:51:43 i don't agree that hurricane was overpowered, compared it to the harbringer left and right and they seemed quite balanced to me
hurr was doing a bit more dps under 7km and was faster while the harbringer had good dps up to 25-30km and and better base tank
as said to me it seem balanced and in line with race "stats"
they where very similar ships with similar fitting too
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Gragnor
Ordos Humanitas
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Posted - 2006.11.16 22:54:00 -
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Sigh.....look at the graphs. Yet another NERF to Mimitar. L33T to fighting to survive.
Why bother........
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Linkel
Minmatar Back Home In Time For Tea And Medals The Volition Cult
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Posted - 2006.11.16 23:19:00 -
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Oh brilliant, just ******* brilliant. I also was anticipating this BC. Kali means **** to me now. Why do Minnies get such a hard deal? Just give us that one ship to be proud of!!!!!
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HankMurphy
Pelennor Swarm Eternal Rangers of Terror
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Posted - 2006.11.16 23:21:00 -
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Originally by: Linkel Oh brilliant, just ******* brilliant. I also was anticipating this BC. Kali means **** to me now. Why do Minnies get such a hard deal? Just give us that one ship to be proud of!!!!!
cause we are such good pilots!
now, to feel better, go check out the caldari's crying about how they dont have any good ships :P
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keepiru
Supernova Security Systems
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Posted - 2006.11.16 23:30:00 -
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Originally by: HankMurphy now, to feel better, go check out the caldari's crying about how they dont have any good ships :P
Well, to be totally fair them, with the Drake changes every single BC-sized caldari ship sucks.
Except as PVE ships, and that's hardly a valid argument. ----------------
Kali ships worth flying left: Harbinger, Rokh. Only 2 left tux, you can make it! |
Ryo Jang
Central Defiance Ushra'Khan
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Posted - 2006.11.17 00:13:00 -
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Originally by: keepiru
Originally by: HankMurphy now, to feel better, go check out the caldari's crying about how they dont have any good ships :P
Well, to be totally fair them, with the Drake changes every single BC-sized caldari ship sucks.
Except as PVE ships, and that's hardly a valid argument.
oh dear, your ship isnt the best? how sad.
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Wrayeth
Tabula Rasa Systems The Star Fraction
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Posted - 2006.11.17 00:17:00 -
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Originally by: Ryo Jang oh dear, your ship isnt the best? how sad.
/WHAP!
He never said it needed to be the best. It just needs to do something other than suck. Removing a launcher hardpoint was fine, but not changing the RoF bonus to a kinetic damage bonus.
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Zixxa
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Posted - 2006.11.17 00:21:00 -
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Originally by: Ryo Jang
Originally by: keepiru
Originally by: HankMurphy now, to feel better, go check out the caldari's crying about how they dont have any good ships :P
Well, to be totally fair them, with the Drake changes every single BC-sized caldari ship sucks.
Except as PVE ships, and that's hardly a valid argument.
oh dear, your ship isnt the best? how sad.
Yes, Caldari ship isnt best. Matar have Vaga, Tempest, best in the class of HAC and fleet BS.
--------------------------------- Hint: Train for Mega, not for Rokh R.I.P. <Torpedo Raven> R.I.P. <Eagle> R.I.P. <ECM> R.I.P. <Drake>
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Ath Amon
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Posted - 2006.11.17 00:29:00 -
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with kali minnies will be crappy at long range... bye bye fleetpest
vagabond is a very good solo ship, but i will not call it the best hac... in gangs is not that great...
also i'm quite curious to see it with kali... it could become way stronger or quite useless...
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Zixxa
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Posted - 2006.11.17 00:36:00 -
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Originally by: Ath Amon with kali minnies will be crappy at long range... bye bye fleetpest
Sorry, seems it will still have best alpha-strike, i.e. it will be best fleet BS.
Quote: vagabond is a very good solo ship, but i will not call it the best hac... in gangs is not that great...
It is better than Zealot, Cerb and Deimos. Everywhere. May be Cerb is better in PvP, but who cares? --------------------------------- Hint: Train for Mega, not for Rokh R.I.P. <Torpedo Raven> R.I.P. <Eagle> R.I.P. <ECM> R.I.P. <Drake>
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Atar
Perpetua Umbra Brotherhood Of Steel
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Posted - 2006.11.17 00:52:00 -
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Edited by: Atar on 17/11/2006 01:00:52 WTF! There was no reason to nerf the Hurricane, it was just fine. The drake yes, A hurricane couldn't take a drake, but the hurricane and Harbringer were fine, just need to bring down the drake and up the myr. Might as well nerf the abbadon, since it sucks anyhow.
FFS it feel more like "Jez...people like the Hurricane, we better nerf it" and I mean that with all sincerity I can express.
Oh and where is all that exploration content? Wrecks? Wow I can explore a wreck that's exciting...
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Rockbox
Amarr Veto.
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Posted - 2006.11.17 01:17:00 -
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Edited by: Rockbox on 17/11/2006 01:17:39 Tux how does dropping the dps and tank of a gank ship balence its ability to tank?
PUT THE TURRET BACK PLZKTHX
Drop a lowslot if it tanks to well but dont for the love of god take the dps away from a gank ship.
On another note
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Patch86
Di-Tron Heavy Industries Freelancer Alliance
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Posted - 2006.11.17 01:38:00 -
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Originally by: Jim McGregor
With heavy drones, myrmidon has equal dps to hurricane at 15k btw (doesnt show in graph).
You would rather be forgetting that, with 4 heavy drones, the Myrmidon has the survival potential of a butternut squash. 4 drones would popped within 1 minute, and each one thats popped takes a serious chunk out of it's DPS. Its DPS therefor looks artifically high if you assume it's drones will remain at full strength from the begining to the end of the fight. -----------------------------------------------
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keepiru
Supernova Security Systems
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Posted - 2006.11.17 03:19:00 -
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Originally by: Rockbox Tux how does dropping the dps and tank of a gank ship balence its ability to tank?
You're assuming that CCP thinks these kind of changes through.
I think its been proved to most people's satisfaction that this is not the case. ----------------
Kali ships worth flying left: Harbinger, Rokh. Only 2 left tux, you can make it! |
Protunia
Gallente Horadrim
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Posted - 2006.11.17 03:32:00 -
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The hurricane doesnt need a biiger drone bay 100 m3 is quite enough.
heh I guess we can change the name know to the Guster My Character Stats |
Slash Harnet
Minmatar Dark Pegasus Enterprises
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Posted - 2006.11.17 04:07:00 -
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Wow, now I really am having a bad week. Hopefully CCP changes their minds, because I was looking forward to flying something other the a battleship again.
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Goumindong
Amarr Merch Industrial
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Posted - 2006.11.17 04:22:00 -
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Originally by: Ryo Jang
Originally by: keepiru
Originally by: HankMurphy now, to feel better, go check out the caldari's crying about how they dont have any good ships :P
Well, to be totally fair them, with the Drake changes every single BC-sized caldari ship sucks.
Except as PVE ships, and that's hardly a valid argument.
oh dear, your ship isnt the best? how sad.
Im pretty sure that he flies minmatar and not Caldari.
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