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Haulzorzz
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Posted - 2006.11.29 15:14:00 -
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So I was taking a look at the various armor rigs and umm yeah, they blow very hard. The bonuses are nice however the -10% speed penalty just sucks. I fly blaster boats and I can't justify borking my speed for increased tank on these things. What gives with this?
On a side note the shield rigs rule big f-ing deal they get a sig penalty thats almost like no penalty at all.
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Twilight Moon
Minmatar Malicious Intentions
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Posted - 2006.11.29 15:16:00 -
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Edited by: Twilight Moon on 29/11/2006 15:16:57 So....don't fit armor rigs on Blaster Boats?
Fit damage instead! What do you want a tank for anyway?
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Mephesto Nizal
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Posted - 2006.11.29 15:17:00 -
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you want a tank to not get blown up while approaching the **** ships =]
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Sandra Tseng
THE MISPHIT'S Kurai Komichi
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Posted - 2006.11.29 15:19:00 -
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I agree.
Rigs are for caldari. As are everything else in this game.
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Commander Nikolas
Gallente Arcana Imperii Ltd. Sani Khal'Vecna
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Posted - 2006.11.29 15:23:00 -
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Edited by: Commander Nikolas on 29/11/2006 15:25:40 Alright if you haven't figured this out yet, Tuxford and Ovure had a bet. It was simple... They were betting which one of them could ruin your (and every other Gallente specialized pilot's) Kali day more.
Tuxford came up with the HP increase Ovure decided drones didn't need an HP boost Tuxford designed the Hyperion Ovure came up with the penalty for armor rigs Tuxford countered that by changing the PG on the Hyperion Ovure to top it off at the last moment removed the drone damage mods/rigs
The only real question is: Who won the bet?
One a serious note... If you want to laugh even more check out the penalty on the speed rigs ;). To armor tank you go slower, to go faster you lose armor. This is why the rigged Rohk is a much better blaster platform then Hyp/Mega.
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Vincent Almasy
Gallente The Underground
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Posted - 2006.11.29 15:24:00 -
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gank = No real tank Tank = No real gank
Nothing had yet changed, get over it.
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Haulzorzz
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Posted - 2006.11.29 15:28:00 -
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I can tell you who lost, Gallante did. It's not that I want to use the rigs penalty free, more than I would like one that made sense.
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FawKa
Gallente Old Farts The Phantom Conglomerate
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Posted - 2006.11.29 15:30:00 -
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Originally by: Commander Nikolas Edited by: Commander Nikolas on 29/11/2006 15:25:40 Alright if you haven't figured this out yet, Tuxford and Ovure had a bet. It was simple... They were betting which one of them could ruin your (and every other Gallente specialized pilot's) Kali day more.
Tuxford came up with the HP increase Ovure decided drones didn't need an HP boost Tuxford designed the Hyperion Ovure came up with the penalty for armor rigs Tuxford countered that by changing the PG on the Hyperion Ovure to top it off at the last moment removed the drone damage mods/rigs
The only real question is: Who won the bet?
One a serious note... If you want to laugh even more check out the penalty on the speed rigs ;). To armor tank you go slower, to go faster you lose armor. This is why the rigged Rohk is a much better blaster platform then Hyp/Mega.
Okay.. all hate goes to ovure
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iubbuibiubio
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Posted - 2006.11.29 15:35:00 -
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Stop whinging and train armour rigging maybe? 10% reduction in Armor Rig drawbacks per level.
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Haulzorzz
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Posted - 2006.11.29 15:37:00 -
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Originally by: Vincent Almasy gank = No real tank Tank = No real gank
Nothing had yet changed, get over it.
Yes it has, a line of modules was released and while I'm all about variance I didn't even mind the inherent beef that shield tanking got with the hp/cap buff. However now shield tanks can slap rigs on to easily plug holes in thier tank without taking a meaningful penalty at all while armor tanks on the other hand have to take a nasty speed hit in order to accomplish the same thing.
I think these penaltys are reversed in all honesty.
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Haulzorzz
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Posted - 2006.11.29 15:38:00 -
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Originally by: iubbuibiubio Stop whinging and train armour rigging maybe? 10% reduction in Armor Rig drawbacks per level.
F U, I am training Armor rigging and I'll still take a 5% total speed nerf with Rigging V
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Sandra Tseng
THE MISPHIT'S Kurai Komichi
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Posted - 2006.11.29 15:40:00 -
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Let¦s all just train Caldari. Seemes to be the ultimate goal of CCP..
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Haulzorzz
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Posted - 2006.11.29 15:44:00 -
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In fact I won't train armor rigging. The only rigs I see myself using are the cap related ones, even the dmg rigs blow.
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Kagura Nikon
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Posted - 2006.11.29 15:48:00 -
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Its simply perfect. If the penaltiers were miningless why to add them? The idea is DRAWBACKS not simple I ALWAYS USE THIS!
Bloody hell gallente were much less hit than Matar and Amar and are on par with caldari.
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James Lyrus
Lyrus Associates Interstellar Starbase Syndicate
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Posted - 2006.11.29 15:51:00 -
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Originally by: Haulzorzz In fact I won't train armor rigging. The only rigs I see myself using are the cap related ones, even the dmg rigs blow.
They use no powergrid or CPU. Quite a few of them do stats that no other module does. (e.g. there's an explosion radius one, a warp velocity one).
I reckon they're cool, and add some variety to ships, but are sufficiently well balanced that they don't trigger cookie-cutter uber setups.
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Critta
Black Omega Security The OSS
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Posted - 2006.11.29 16:02:00 -
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Edited by: Critta on 29/11/2006 16:03:15 Ok, I'm not entirely sure what you lot are smoking, but a 10% penalty to your sig radius (especially when it has already been increased with extenders) is actually just as much of a problem as the speed bork that Gallante, Amarr and Minmatar will have to put up with armour rigs (or did you forget that 2 other races also need to fit armour tanks ).
Not only will you be able to lock their ships quicker, they will be easier to hit and will be hit with more damage than before, ofsetting the fact that they have more shield.
Let me finally add that armour tanks have always reduced your speed (what on earth do you think plates do, speed you up?) and you see that the rigs are perfectly in the flavour of what has come before, and in fact aren't that much of a problem.
Finally, if I understand the new rigging skills correctly, each level of the skill reduces your drawback by 1% per level, so if you get the rigging skill to lvl5, you only lose 5% of your speed.
Take a megathron as an example:
125m/s base speed * 1.25 to take into account nav 5 = 156.25 m/s
with 1 armour rig and max rigging skills, you lose 5% of this speed.
156.25 * 0.95 = 148.438 m/s
156.25 - 148.438 = 7.8125 m/s lost.
You're crying over ~8 m/s?????????
Really, find something actually worth whining about if you're going to, please.
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Haulzorzz
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Posted - 2006.11.29 16:08:00 -
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Originally by: Critta
You're crying over ~8 m/s?????????
Really, find something actually worth whining about if you're going to, please.
Thats for 1 rig, and thats with perfect skills. Suppose 3 armor rigs with riggin 4 then your looking at a 30+ m/s reduction in speed compounded when using AB/MWD. Now here is the kicker armor tanking does NOT slow you down it increases your mass which lowers your agility factor. It does however have the side effect of lowering your boost % from AB and MWD.
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Vincent Almasy
Gallente The Underground
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Posted - 2006.11.29 16:22:00 -
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Originally by: Critta Edited by: Critta on 29/11/2006 16:03:15 Ok, I'm not entirely sure what you lot are smoking, but a 10% penalty to your sig radius (especially when it has already been increased with extenders) is actually just as much of a problem as the speed bork that Gallante, Amarr and Minmatar will have to put up with armour rigs (or did you forget that 2 other races also need to fit armour tanks ).
Not only will you be able to lock their ships quicker, they will be easier to hit and will be hit with more damage than before, ofsetting the fact that they have more shield.
Let me finally add that armour tanks have always reduced your speed (what on earth do you think plates do, speed you up?) and you see that the rigs are perfectly in the flavour of what has come before, and in fact aren't that much of a problem.
Finally, if I understand the new rigging skills correctly, each level of the skill reduces your drawback by 1% per level, so if you get the rigging skill to lvl5, you only lose 5% of your speed.
Take a megathron as an example:
125m/s base speed * 1.25 to take into account nav 5 = 156.25 m/s
with 1 armour rig and max rigging skills, you lose 5% of this speed.
156.25 * 0.95 = 148.438 m/s
156.25 - 148.438 = 7.8125 m/s lost.
You're crying over ~8 m/s?????????
Really, find something actually worth whining about if you're going to, please.
~24m/s can be solved by a good nano and also with a nano you get less inersha so ya turn better, but if i remember right, wasn't it a speed rig aswell? There will be changes people will whine.. I feel shameful that the gallente are whining the most right now.
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Critta
Black Omega Security The OSS
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Posted - 2006.11.29 16:27:00 -
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Originally by: Haulzorzz It does however have the side effect of lowering your boost % from AB and MWD.
Hence slowing you down, the OP was talking about flying a blaster boat.... thus a speed mod will be involved, thus plates will slow you down.
If the speed penalty is that much of a problem, train your rigging skills, fit gunnery rigs, whatever.
Ok, you lose too much speed if you fit 3 armour rigs.... guess what, don't fit 3 armour rigs, it's hardly rocket science now is it?
There's plenty of other rigs to put in those slots to make blaster boats ridiculously powerful, you just have to work out what they are ;)
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Dammar
Ephorate
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Posted - 2006.11.29 16:36:00 -
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Originally by: Sandra Tseng I agree.
Rigs are for caldari. As are everything else in this game.
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It is kinda funny how shield rigs are the ONLY ones with penalties to something the shield user won't really care about. (armor%)
I noticed that right away on the test server a couple weeks ago.
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Almarez
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Posted - 2006.11.29 16:37:00 -
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Originally by: Commander Nikolas Edited by: Commander Nikolas on 29/11/2006 15:25:40 Alright if you haven't figured this out yet, Tuxford and Ovure had a bet. It was simple... They were betting which one of them could ruin your (and every other Gallente specialized pilot's) Kali day more.
Tuxford came up with the HP increase Ovure decided drones didn't need an HP boost Tuxford designed the Hyperion Ovure came up with the penalty for armor rigs Tuxford countered that by changing the PG on the Hyperion Ovure to top it off at the last moment removed the drone damage mods/rigs
The only real question is: Who won the bet?
One a serious note... If you want to laugh even more check out the penalty on the speed rigs ;). To armor tank you go slower, to go faster you lose armor. This is why the rigged Rohk is a much better blaster platform then Hyp/Mega.
Nikolas, I am disgusted at your accusation. They didn't ruin Gallente specialized pilots...they ruined Gallente and Amaar specialized pilots. Come on, reducing T2 crystal damage...they were the only things that made lasers even half way usable for pvp.
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Critta
Black Omega Security The OSS
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Posted - 2006.11.29 16:46:00 -
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Edited by: Critta on 29/11/2006 16:46:54
Originally by: Almarez I am disgusted at your accusation. They didn't ruin Gallente specialized pilots...they ruined Gallente and Amaar specialized pilots. Come on, reducing T2 crystal damage...they were the only things that made lasers even half way usable for pvp.
Right - now you lot are really starting to wind me up a bit....
Did you fail to notice that all the t2 ammo got nerfed, or are you too short sighted to actually look at anything that doesn't involve your own race? I have an Amarr alt, pre-Kali he kicked ass with lasers, generally with t1 crystals a lot of the time, post kali, that hasn't changed, the t2 crystals are still more powerful, just not stupidly overpowered any more.
Originally by: Dammar It is kinda funny how shield rigs are the ONLY ones with penalties to something the shield user won't really care about. (armor%)
I noticed that right away on the test server a couple weeks ago.
Last I checked, the shield rigs did not hit your armour hp (that's the speed rigs if I remember correctly) but in fact effect you signature radius, just like shield extenders do.
Get your facts straight before you come and whine, and actually try and think a bit sometime, you might find it helps ;)
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Razean
Minmatar Agony Unleashed
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Posted - 2006.11.29 16:51:00 -
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Originally by: Haulzorzz
Originally by: Critta
You're crying over ~8 m/s?????????
Really, find something actually worth whining about if you're going to, please.
Thats for 1 rig, and thats with perfect skills. Suppose 3 armor rigs with riggin 4 then your looking at a 30+ m/s reduction in speed compounded when using AB/MWD. Now here is the kicker armor tanking does NOT slow you down it increases your mass which lowers your agility factor. It does however have the side effect of lowering your boost % from AB and MWD.
Armor plates do not slow down your base speed, but your mass absolutely affects your AB/MWD speed, and hence armor plates do indeed decrease your max AB/MWD speed, which is what ultimately matters. Increased mass also affects your acceleration to max speed, with or without your AB/MWD on.
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MrLobster
Cosmic Odyssey Chorus of Dawn
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Posted - 2006.11.29 16:59:00 -
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Fit a couple of armor rigs, and a few inertial stabs in your lows :) ______
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Grey Area
Caldari
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Posted - 2006.11.29 17:01:00 -
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Originally by: Sandra Tseng I agree.
Rigs are for caldari. As are everything else in this game.
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Yeah, sure...that's why our launcher mod rigs increase the CPU demand on said launchers by 10%...bye bye 6 launcher Raven, hello 5 launcher Raven...
But that's as it should be...unfortunately like most Gallente it seems you were expecting something for nothing. ---
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Jin Entres
Sharks With Frickin' Laser Beams Mercenary Coalition
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Posted - 2006.11.29 17:01:00 -
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Armor repairing efficiency and cycle time aswell as resistance rigs work great, though, so I don't think we got shafted that bad, really. The rep rigs work better on ships with repping bonus, btw. ---
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Centurin
Sturmgrenadier Inc R i s e
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Posted - 2006.11.29 17:03:00 -
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Originally by: Commander Nikolas Edited by: Commander Nikolas on 29/11/2006 15:25:40 Alright if you haven't figured this out yet, Tuxford and Ovure had a bet. It was simple... They were betting which one of them could ruin your (and every other Gallente specialized pilot's) Kali day more.
Tuxford came up with the HP increase Ovure decided drones didn't need an HP boost Tuxford designed the Hyperion Ovure came up with the penalty for armor rigs Tuxford countered that by changing the PG on the Hyperion Ovure to top it off at the last moment removed the drone damage mods/rigs
The only real question is: Who won the bet?
One a serious note... If you want to laugh even more check out the penalty on the speed rigs ;). To armor tank you go slower, to go faster you lose armor. This is why the rigged Rohk is a much better blaster platform then Hyp/Mega.
So funny and yet so sad at the same time.
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murder one
Gallente CRICE Corporation Lotka Volterra
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Posted - 2006.11.29 17:04:00 -
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Originally by: Almarez
Originally by: Commander Nikolas Edited by: Commander Nikolas on 29/11/2006 15:25:40 Alright if you haven't figured this out yet, Tuxford and Ovure had a bet. It was simple... They were betting which one of them could ruin your (and every other Gallente specialized pilot's) Kali day more.
Tuxford came up with the HP increase Ovure decided drones didn't need an HP boost Tuxford designed the Hyperion Ovure came up with the penalty for armor rigs Tuxford countered that by changing the PG on the Hyperion Ovure to top it off at the last moment removed the drone damage mods/rigs
The only real question is: Who won the bet?
One a serious note... If you want to laugh even more check out the penalty on the speed rigs ;). To armor tank you go slower, to go faster you lose armor. This is why the rigged Rohk is a much better blaster platform then Hyp/Mega.
Nikolas, I am disgusted at your accusation. They didn't ruin Gallente specialized pilots...they ruined Gallente and Amaar specialized pilots. Come on, reducing T2 crystal damage...they were the only things that made lasers even half way usable for pvp.
they did the same to T2 blaster/rail ammo tho as well. All of it was nerfed but it hurt Amarr/Gallente the most because we depend on DPS the most compared to the ability of the Minmatar and Caldari to tank while firing non-cap weapons.
Because I said so...
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MECTO
Xenobytes Against ALL Authorities
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Posted - 2006.11.29 17:13:00 -
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Edited by: MECTO on 29/11/2006 17:13:30 yes, shield rigs are awesome
signature penalty is not a thing that u worry about
speed is another story..
It's Great Being Carebear in Kali - aint it?
Originally by: Tuxford In this picture you might think that Gallente totally pwn. Well they're alright
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LUKEC
Destructive Influence Band of Brothers
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Posted - 2006.11.29 19:23:00 -
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Originally by: Grey Area
Originally by: Sandra Tseng I agree.
Rigs are for caldari. As are everything else in this game.
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Yeah, sure...that's why our launcher mod rigs increase the CPU demand on said launchers by 10%...bye bye 6 launcher Raven, hello 5 launcher Raven...
But that's as it should be...unfortunately like most Gallente it seems you were expecting something for nothing.
Ugh... cruise missile from shin ra hits you for 820dmg? Raven has way too much cpu. -------- The BoB model is bad for business. Incidently the BoB model is more suited for a game such as WoW where as the ASCN model more suited for Eve.
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