Originally by: Tolomea

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Your ice mining gang boost calculations are somewhat misleading.

You claim that the gang bonuses increase you from 11 cycles an hour to 15, a bonus of 4 cycles. Which appears to be a bonus of 36%

In reality it goes from 11.35 to 14.64 an increase of 3.29 Which is a fair bit closer to 3 than 4 and is exactly 29% the same as with ore mining.

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Originally by: Gnord

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Ok, I've searched your guide, the forums, the web in general, and I still cannot find any significant calculation, hypothesis, or explanation on how the volatility on crystals works.

If it's out there, I've searched and searched for it, and I just can't find it.

SO,

Let's start with a veldspar mining crystal.

Volatility: 0.1%
Volatility Damage: 0.025
Crystals Damage: 1

I'm trying to figure out how long a particular crystal will last. Nobody I've talked to has a real definite answer, and certainly no kind of formula or calculation. Your guide has much more information on crystals than I've seen anywhere else, but of course it still lacks this one detail.

Further explanation on this would be great, thanks.

G'nord

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Originally by: Rumbaar

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Still a great guide.

I just wanted to point out in section 4 you don't really compare apples with apple in regards to how low the Retriever truly is compared to a Battleship for yield and protection.

With the battleships you use the skill levels Mining 4 and Astro 4 but for the Retriever you use Mining 5 and Astro 5 (which is around a 19D+ skill to get too) for the yield, also you use Barge 4 instead of 3 for the calculations.

So the true comparison for a person as about that level of training in mining would be Mining 4, Astro 4 and Barge 3.
540 * 1.2 * 1.2 * 1.09 * 1.05 = 889.96 m3/cycle
Omber 889.96/0.6 = 1483 to 59,320 (Barge 4 only give additional 1640 units) unit of Omber per hour which is way below the Dominix's 65,880 units per hour. So the Retriever is actually the least yield of the bunch in the section.

Or if you want to look at it another way and take the Dominix with the same stat as used for the Retriever in the guide it would gives you 71,640 Omber units per hour. Once again far above the Retriever.

The only benefit of a Retriever is it's price, and if needed Ice Harvesters. But it fall way behind the Dominix and Apoc for yield (in apples for apples comparison) and tankability.

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Originally by: Shreddy Krueger

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For 0.0 of course the Rokh is the best choice as the Apoc cannot fit a tank when going on full mining setup.

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Originally by: Sakura Nihil

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That being said, the PvP Force is strong in this one, I forsee a good future full of whining carebears and jealous PvPers crushed under his heels .

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Originally by: Riley Craven

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Edited by: Riley Craven on 02/03/2007 06:02:00

Originally by: Shreddy Krueger

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For 0.0 of course the Rokh is the best choice as the Apoc cannot fit a tank when going on full mining setup.

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Actually on this point you are dead wrong. Consider the following fit

highs
8x DCM II

Meds
4x Ecutic Cap charger

Lows
3x t2 cpu
1x MLU
1x Large Accom armor rep
1x DB Therm hardner
1x DB EM hardner

Granted its hvly tanked to deal with amar dmg dealing rats, but as you can see this is a tank and mining setup, will tank most bs spawns in fact. The rep and laser and hardners run forever and your cap is steady around around 30-40%.

Course at this point I should mention I have perfect fitand cap skills to make this setup work on cpu.

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Originally by: Soet Flicka14

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Great guide!

I have one question though, anyone please feel free to answer. My skiff has a yield of 2470.7m3 / 40 = 61 Mercoxit every 3 minutes (without Mining Laser Upgrades, 2723.9m3 with). Now, according to this guide a maxed out Hulk pilot should use the following formula to calculate the Skiffs yield; 250*1.25*1.25*1.15*1.15*4*1.05*1.375*1.05^2 = 3289.17 m3/cycle, 3289.17/40 = 82 Mercoxit every 3 minutes. Could someone please interpret this forumla into skills? i.e fill in the blanks/question signs. 250(MDCSM2 Base Yield)*1.25(Mining lvl 5)*1.25(Astrogeology lvl 5)*1.15(?)*1.15(?)*4(?)*1.05(?)*1.375(?)*1.05^2(?) = 3289.17. Cause I see myself as a "maxed out hulk pilot" but apparently I'm not, so I want to know what I'm missing.

Again, great guide Halada, thanks! and I would be very grateful if someone could give an answer to this post.

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Originally by: Elliesium Al'kar

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My 0.0 Rokh (anti gurista flavor)
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8 Miner IIs -always on

2x Ballistic Deflection Field II (active kinetic shield)-always on
1x Kinetic Deflection Amplifier I (passive kinetic shield)
1x Additional Thermal Barrier Emitter I (passive thermal shield)
1x 'Stalwart' I Particle Field Magnifier (named shield boost amp)
1x Gistii A-Type Small Shield Booster (74.1 shield for 12.22 energy? Heck yes!)
(booster is left always on)

3x Mining Laser Upgrade I
2x CPU Upgrades

3 Capacitor Control Circuit Rigs (The KEY to keeping perma cap)

Need electronics 5 to fit the 3 mlus - with electronics 4 you can fit 2 mlus and a pdu.

This baby can perma tank 3x 1.8m BS spawns without even taking red on the shields.
You can run all lasers with no cap worries.
Makes a great tank for my Hulk alt.
Due to cost, aligning to the POS is recommended :)

I also want to point out one little factoid to BS miners - You may need to skill up several +5%gains with skills or modules to see a difference in high end ore gathering, due to the fact that bistot, for example, is 16m3. similar to the drone yield calculations. When you do see an increase, its huge. Say you were getting 6 ore from each laser, for 48 ore/minute. When you cross the next 16m3 threshold you get 7 ore per laser for 56 ore/minute. Thats a 14.28572% gain.

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Originally by: Gnord

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The first post no longer has a file behind the link. I wanted to reference it for a particular detail but it is lost! Does anybody have another copy they'd upload and make available?

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