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Bumblefck
Kerensky Initiatives
8541
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Posted - 2015.09.16 20:34:14 -
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Divine Entervention wrote:Well, imo this game (and society but that's a different story) needs less lazy poor people.
How do you manage to log in, then?
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CONCORD arrested two n00bs yesterday, one was drinking battery acid, the other was eating fireworks. They charged one and let the other one off.[/b]
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Aaron
Eternal Frontier
307
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Posted - 2015.09.16 21:19:23 -
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I think that Eve has become a capitalist society, CCP want too much for plex lets face it, in the UK a plex is -ú16.99 which is -ú7.00 more than the monthly sub which has prompted the plex sellers to sell at a high price.
Plex prices do not affect me because I sub my 2 accounts. All I have done is read what most of the plex buyers are saying and I have come to the conclusion that we will see numbers drop yet again. CCP should listen to the people who plex their account, it does seem as if they are being ignored.
We will see lots of people cancel their 2nd and 3rd accounts because they are no longer able to generate much profit for the player, I get that people can diversify and go into other areas of the game like FW, WH etc.
Has CCP made any statement about revising the real life cost of plex?
I ask this because I can see this game being ruined, Level with me here, why is the RL plex price an extra 70% on top of the sub price?
Fear no one, live life, be free, accept the truth, do not judge others, defend yourself, fight hard till the end, meditate on problems and be prosperous. Things to exist by. -- RAIN Arthie
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Malcanis
Vanishing Point. The Initiative.
17047
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Posted - 2015.09.16 21:28:44 -
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Aaron wrote:I think that Eve has become a capitalist society, CCP want too much for plex lets face it, in the UK a plex is -ú16.99 which is -ú7.00 more than the monthly sub which has prompted the plex sellers to sell at a high price.
Plex prices do not affect me because I sub my 2 accounts. All I have done is read what most of the plex buyers are saying and I have come to the conclusion that we will see numbers drop yet again. CCP should listen to the people who plex their account, it does seem as if they are being ignored.
We will see lots of people cancel their 2nd and 3rd accounts because they are no longer able to generate much profit for the player, I get that people can diversify and go into other areas of the game like FW, WH etc.
Has CCP made any statement about revising the real life cost of plex?
I ask this because I can see this game being ruined, Level with me here, why is the RL plex price an extra 70% on top of the sub price?
Agreed; that price differential is indefensible. CCP urgently need to get more people logging in to keep the game healthy, and dropping the RL price of PLEX to a similar, albeit slightly higher, level than a 1 month sub would be a big step towards that.
"It is difficult to get a man to understand something, when his ISK/hr depends upon his not understanding it!"
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Zihao
Signal Cartel EvE-Scout Enclave
85
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Posted - 2015.09.16 21:57:17 -
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Malcanis wrote:dropping the RL price of PLEX to a similar, albeit slightly higher, level than a 1 month sub would be a big step towards that.
Seems reasonable. |
ApophisXP
Sadistic Retribution Sadistic Empire
65
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Posted - 2015.09.16 22:00:28 -
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MrQuisno wrote:Is it just me or is their group messing with plex cards right now? last few days it seem they have jump 150m iskes. was at 1.278b now 1.350b... last I check one person mess with one type of market is bad for the game...
Market PVP, Its awesome. |
Aaron
Eternal Frontier
309
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Posted - 2015.09.16 22:04:45 -
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Malcanis wrote:Aaron wrote:I think that Eve has become a capitalist society, CCP want too much for plex lets face it, in the UK a plex is -ú16.99 which is -ú7.00 more than the monthly sub which has prompted the plex sellers to sell at a high price.
Plex prices do not affect me because I sub my 2 accounts. All I have done is read what most of the plex buyers are saying and I have come to the conclusion that we will see numbers drop yet again. CCP should listen to the people who plex their account, it does seem as if they are being ignored.
We will see lots of people cancel their 2nd and 3rd accounts because they are no longer able to generate much profit for the player, I get that people can diversify and go into other areas of the game like FW, WH etc.
Has CCP made any statement about revising the real life cost of plex?
I ask this because I can see this game being ruined, Level with me here, why is the RL plex price an extra 70% on top of the sub price? Agreed; that price differential is indefensible. CCP urgently need to get more people logging in to keep the game healthy, and dropping the RL price of PLEX to a similar, albeit slightly higher, level than a 1 month sub would be a big step towards that.
Indeed, as I've said in a previous post, plex was only designed to stop people creating RL businesses with a warehouse full people grinding/selling isk for real life cash. It seems CCP missed the opportunity to sell isk for many years while these isk for cash businesses made bank.
I think there were many mmo games that suffered from isk for cash businesses. Is CCP trying to recoup lost isk sales for all the years they didn't sell plex? If they are then this is a bad practice which will make the people with a limited RL budget stop playing, the knock-on effect would be the plex for isk sellers will have no customers and maybe their game will become limited because they use plex to pvp and they may not be bothered to grind.
I would suggest a petition thread is started and all the people who want the RL cost of plex reduced should sign it. I think lots of people would sign the petition if they have their eyes open and can see where the game is headed. Not signing this suggested petition will mean the game could sail into treacherous waters.
I'm telling you man I love Eve with a passion and I want to see it run for another 20 years, I'll always be here paying my sub and I know there are many like me. CCP please don't ruin my game by bad business practices.
Yours Faithfully.
Fear no one, live life, be free, accept the truth, do not judge others, defend yourself, fight hard till the end, meditate on problems and be prosperous. Things to exist by. -- RAIN Arthie
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Aaron
Eternal Frontier
309
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Posted - 2015.09.16 22:30:59 -
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I started that petition thread, please sign when you get a chance.
Thanks.
Petition thread for reduced RL PLEX cost.
Fear no one, live life, be free, accept the truth, do not judge others, defend yourself, fight hard till the end, meditate on problems and be prosperous. Things to exist by. -- RAIN Arthie
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Scotchmo
Royal Amarr Institute Amarr Empire
2
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Posted - 2015.09.16 22:42:06 -
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Divine Entervention wrote:Well, imo this game (and society but that's a different story) needs less lazy poor people.
So high PLEX prices = less undesireables so this is a great situation for the rest of us.
Who is going to give you those dank kill mails cause they were too **** to dock up when you entered local? Lazy kids are the content for the PVPers.
Its funny no one sees this. If you ONLY have plex sellers and let the in game buyers rot, who are you going to catch in anoms? Who will you catch in a WH farming for their plex?
Come on people. |
Hasikan Miallok
Republic University Minmatar Republic
1510
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Posted - 2015.09.17 00:47:44 -
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In terms of market forces I suppose the predictable outcome is that a lot of alts that do PI and mining and other passive income stuff will get unsubbed and eventually the price of PI and materials will rise and make PLEX affordable for those that stay.
Overall though there will be less resources in game, which of course may be a good thing. |
Amyclas Amatin
SUNDERING Goonswarm Federation
685
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Posted - 2015.09.17 04:55:53 -
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3b isk is a reasonable price for plex... if 80% of the population are chinese bot farmers.
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Caleb Seremshur
Gladiators of Rage RAZOR Alliance
650
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Posted - 2015.09.17 06:14:22 -
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Scotchmo wrote:Divine Entervention wrote:Well, imo this game (and society but that's a different story) needs less lazy poor people.
So high PLEX prices = less undesireables so this is a great situation for the rest of us. Who is going to give you those dank kill mails cause they were too **** to dock up when you entered local? Lazy kids are the content for the PVPers. Its funny no one sees this. If you ONLY have plex sellers and let the in game buyers rot, who are you going to catch in anoms? Who will you catch in a WH farming for their plex? Come on people.
This is perhaps the only legitimate counter argument I've seen on the topic in weeks if not months.
Veteran and solo/small gang PVP advocate.
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Diamond Zerg
Taking Solo Away.
114
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Posted - 2015.09.17 06:48:43 -
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Almost at 1.3b now rofl
Hi.
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Aerasia
Republic University Minmatar Republic
96
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Posted - 2015.09.17 07:20:12 -
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Diamond Zerg wrote:Almost at 1.3b now rofl Have you seen the change in gain over the last couple weeks though?
Something's changed in the market. Maybe PLEX has gone from "Grr expensive!" to "Flip it to win it" in the minds of buyers? Whatever it is, the recent spike looks exceedingly dangerous for anybody trying to hold value in their PLEX. |
Caleb Seremshur
Gladiators of Rage RAZOR Alliance
650
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Posted - 2015.09.17 08:14:23 -
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Aerasia wrote:Diamond Zerg wrote:Almost at 1.3b now rofl Have you seen the change in gain over the last couple weeks though? Something's changed in the market. Maybe PLEX has gone from "Grr expensive!" to "Flip it to win it" in the minds of buyers? Whatever it is, the recent spike looks exceedingly dangerous for anybody trying to hold value in their PLEX.
All we can concretely say is that the price will keep rising until the majority of people who PLEX their accounts to stay online stop buying. Say what you will about speculators but if there turns out to be no market to sell it on to then it runs the risk of crashing.
The comparison to gold prices is apt - PLEX -> aurum we observe as being private individuals buying gold jewelery, with the opposite side being PLEX hoarders who are like precious metals speculators more or less trying to strangle the market and manipulate its price. They're not just manipulating the PLEX price, they're manipulating the real or perceived value of every service that PLEX facilitates elsewhere.
But none of this is news, infact I find it credulous at best to expect that we've hit the ceiling on PLEXed accounts yet. No way. Not even close.
Veteran and solo/small gang PVP advocate.
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James Morgan
Pod Republic
3
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Posted - 2015.09.17 09:19:03 -
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It would be interesting if CCP released how many accounts are actively plexed (as in plex is applied to keep that account active).
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Black Pedro
Yammerschooner
1611
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Posted - 2015.09.17 09:44:55 -
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Aerasia wrote:Diamond Zerg wrote:Almost at 1.3b now rofl Have you seen the change in gain over the last couple weeks though? Something's changed in the market. Maybe PLEX has gone from "Grr expensive!" to "Flip it to win it" in the minds of buyers? Whatever it is, the recent spike looks exceedingly dangerous for anybody trying to hold value in their PLEX. It's all speculation on where PLEX will end up. Likely CCP will step in soon (I am surprised they haven't already) like they have said they would if the change in price gets too rapid and sell some of the seized PLEX dampening the spike. We are up what 30% in a few weeks? That is a pretty high delta.
But long term, PLEX prices are probably still undervalued. Too many players can make a few billion ISK in an afternoon. Too many players are also sitting on trillions of ISK and are looking for a place to park it. Of course some casuals will be squeezed out, but based on the time effort/required, there is still a big upside. There are many factors though, especially supply, which are hard to prognosticate which makes any calls on the long-term stable price of PLEX just wild guesses. |
Horus V
The Destined
141
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Posted - 2015.09.17 10:02:34 -
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James Morgan wrote:It would be interesting if CCP released how many accounts are actively plexed (as in plex is applied to keep that account active).
I would definitelly like to see that data. I dont think CCP would ever show it though.
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Boom Laison
University of Caille Gallente Federation
3
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Posted - 2015.09.17 11:08:07 -
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In a less, that one month there will be one account less. Cause my family hates this game and the moment they will see real money transfer onto CCP account I will get into serios troubles in real life. Spend whole month of my occasional play to make 1,5 b ISK is just stupid. I can play other PvP MMOG for free. |
Sheldon d'Albion
2
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Posted - 2015.09.17 11:23:11 -
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There is no reason to complain about the plex prices .
At the current moment in Jita , there is so few SO ( less than 50 ) that nothing could really prevent the plex from rising to 2B before the end of the month . CCP should have responded earlier , now if they act , they would need 50 times the amount of isk ( plex) they would have used a month earlier to calm this market . As the french says " Le roi est nu", meaning CCP is powerless againts it . |
Boom Laison
University of Caille Gallente Federation
5
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Posted - 2015.09.17 11:35:14 -
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Sheldon d'Albion wrote: As the french says " Le roi est nu", meaning CCP is powerless againts it .
CCP will be even more powerless in a month or so, cause even more players, who participated in sandbox via plexing their single account will abandon the game. So less buyers to support any CCP attempt to fix the situation. Two years ago CCP got 60 euro from anyone, who wanted to replace killed Maradeur without grinding, now - only 20 EUR. |
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Brutus Utama
The European Project
58
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Posted - 2015.09.17 11:41:51 -
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The plex price has effected me quite heavily had to drop 3 accounts and move out of nullsec due to the high cost of both the plex and living out there means i am barely able to keep 1 account running atm, i dont have the time like alot of people to grind the isk i get a couple of hours a night online so far this week i have made maybe 300m isk which is barely 1/5 of what i need to plex never mind actually having isk to play the game....
people mentioned about making billions in an afternoon but i have no idea how thats possible...
If the plex doesnt start to lower in price soon i will possibly have to drop this account also.... now people will say pay with real money but as others have said i can play other games for free... |
Deck Cadelanne
CAStabouts
214
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Posted - 2015.09.17 11:49:09 -
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Brutus Utama wrote:The plex price has effected me quite heavily had to drop 3 accounts and move out of nullsec due to the high cost of both the plex and living out there means i am barely able to keep 1 account running atm, i dont have the time like alot of people to grind the isk i get a couple of hours a night online so far this week i have made maybe 300m isk which is barely 1/5 of what i need to plex never mind actually having isk to play the game....
people mentioned about making billions in an afternoon but i have no idea how thats possible...
If the plex doesnt start to lower in price soon i will possibly have to drop this account also.... now people will say pay with real money but as others have said i can play other games for free...
Nobody has never played EVE for free.
You either invest a lot of your time to buy a PLEX (which somebody else bought with cash) or you pay cash.
It seems almost all PLEX price whiners fail to comprehend that simple bit of reality.
If PLEX price is rising beyond what you are willing to invest in game time, maybe you need to consider just paying a sub until it goes back down.
"When the going gets weird, the weird turn professional."
- Hunter S. Thompson
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Brutus Utama
The European Project
58
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Posted - 2015.09.17 11:53:23 -
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Deck Cadelanne wrote:Brutus Utama wrote:The plex price has effected me quite heavily had to drop 3 accounts and move out of nullsec due to the high cost of both the plex and living out there means i am barely able to keep 1 account running atm, i dont have the time like alot of people to grind the isk i get a couple of hours a night online so far this week i have made maybe 300m isk which is barely 1/5 of what i need to plex never mind actually having isk to play the game....
people mentioned about making billions in an afternoon but i have no idea how thats possible...
If the plex doesnt start to lower in price soon i will possibly have to drop this account also.... now people will say pay with real money but as others have said i can play other games for free... Nobody has never played EVE for free. You either invest a lot of your time to buy a PLEX (which somebody else bought with cash) or you pay cash. It seems almost all PLEX price whiners fail to comprehend that simple bit of reality. If PLEX price is rising beyond what you are willing to invest in game time, maybe you need to consider just paying a sub until it goes back down.
Obviously you cant read i stated that i have never payed for the game maybe other people have payed for the plex which i buy in game, now its becoming too difficult to make the isk for plex and the game isnt a game anymore if all you do is work to play the game... having nothing left over afterwards...
and about paying a sub why pay for a game when you can play free games? |
erg cz
Aligned Fleet CZ-SK
332
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Posted - 2015.09.17 11:54:51 -
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Deck Cadelanne wrote: If PLEX price is rising beyond what you are willing to invest in game time, maybe you need to consider just paying a sub until it goes back down.
Boom Laison wrote:my family hates this game and the moment they will see real money transfer onto CCP account I will get into serios troubles in real life. Spend whole month of my occasional play to make 1,5 b ISK is just stupid. I can play other PvP MMOG for free.
Seems, that paying a sub is not an option at least for some players...
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Black Pedro
Yammerschooner
1613
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Posted - 2015.09.17 11:57:56 -
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Brutus Utama wrote:and about paying a sub why pay for a game when you can play free games? Because you like to play it?
Why drink whiskey when perfectly good water comes free from the tap?
Only you can decide what your leisure activities are worth to you. However, if you aren't enjoying yourself, why are you still playing Eve at all? |
John Ratcliffe
The Mjolnir Bloc The Bloc
288
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Posted - 2015.09.17 12:01:30 -
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I sub my 3 accounts with cash. If I need ISK I just drop more cash on PLEX, because I have won at 'Real Life'. The higher the PLEX price the better IMHO.
Plus ça change, plus c'est la même chose
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Caleb Seremshur
Gladiators of Rage RAZOR Alliance
650
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Posted - 2015.09.17 12:01:49 -
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Essentially the above. The time spent grinding for a plex could easily be spent at a real job earning several months worth of subs in a single week.
There is an assumption that because the option to PLEX via grinding isk eixsts that literally anyone and everyone should be able to do it - but that only shows immature perspectives of the market - I'm amazed that 2 years ago I used to buy plex to finance my hobby that I was selling for as little as 480m a piece.
Veteran and solo/small gang PVP advocate.
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Gillia Winddancer
Aliastra Gallente Federation
440
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Posted - 2015.09.17 12:18:32 -
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Brutus Utama wrote:
and about paying a sub why pay for a game when you can play free games?
"and about paying your salary, why pay you when you can work for free?"
This is the line that I hope your (future) boss will tell you when you are employed. |
Boom Laison
University of Caille Gallente Federation
6
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Posted - 2015.09.17 12:28:15 -
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Gillia Winddancer wrote:
"and about paying your salary, why pay you when you can work for free?"
This is the line that I hope your (future) boss will tell you when you are employed.
-1 for this.
There is a huge difference between being abused by employee and playing a sandbox, where non-paying players create content for thiose, who pay. Instead of CCP creating thousands of randomly acting driffters they use humans, who are willing to create that conent for free. It is just there is much less such humans as long as PLEX getting unreachable for some reasonable amount of PvE activity. Less those PvE humans = less PvP targets for not-so-PvE humans. |
Gillia Winddancer
Aliastra Gallente Federation
440
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Posted - 2015.09.17 12:34:08 -
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Boom Laison wrote:Gillia Winddancer wrote:
"and about paying your salary, why pay you when you can work for free?"
This is the line that I hope your (future) boss will tell you when you are employed.
-1 for this. There is a huge difference between being abused by employee and playing a sandbox, where non-paying players create content for thiose, who pay. Instead of CCP creating thousands of randomly acting driffters they use humans, who are willing to create that conent for free. It is just there is much less such humans as long as PLEX getting unreachable for some reasonable amount of PvE activity. Less those PvE humans = less PvP targets for not-so-PvE humans.
Nothing is free. That is all. |
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