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Aaron
Eternal Frontier
315
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Posted - 2015.09.19 04:06:01 -
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Zihao wrote:Aaron, I'm surprised you haven't suggested the obvious solution of forcing every player to submit a tax return so that CCP can charge only those able to pay. This really is the only "fair," way of doing things. Surely a good socialist would support this instead of that craven-quasi-capitalist stuff you mentioned in the other thread?
Go ahead and troll me while the game falls apart around us. At least I'm putting forward viable solutions instead of chatting ****.
Fear no one, live life, be free, accept the truth, do not judge others, defend yourself, fight hard till the end, meditate on problems and be prosperous. Things to exist by. -- RAIN Arthie
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Zihao
Signal Cartel EvE-Scout Enclave
89
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Posted - 2015.09.19 04:55:17 -
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I'm shocked and appalled to hear you describe socialism as not being "viable." |
Salvos Rhoska
1468
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Posted - 2015.09.19 08:14:37 -
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Aaron wrote: I think that buy order for 100 belongs to Salvos, they don't realise they are about to fail.
Read my posts accurately. I eat all my PLEX. You are letting your personal hurt feelings cloud your judgement.
Your "thought" here, is wrong. Now think about what all else you might be wrong about ontop of that.
PvE v PvP
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La Rynx
School of Applied Knowledge Caldari State
391
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Posted - 2015.09.19 09:29:21 -
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Aaron wrote:Zihao wrote:Aaron, I'm surprised you haven't suggested the obvious solution of forcing every player to submit a tax return so that CCP can charge only those able to pay. This really is the only "fair," way of doing things. Surely a good socialist would support this instead of that craven-quasi-capitalist stuff you mentioned in the other thread? Go ahead and troll me while the game falls apart around us. At least I'm putting forward viable solutions instead of chatting ****. We... us...
Start by speaking for yourself.
IF those people are really so desperate, they will need to speak for themselfes. This is EvE, quite close to RL! Means?
Keep your "fair" for yourself.
I do not want to repeat the arguments you already ignore, so that you will just ignore them again. PLEX are NOT the EvE killer as you want to make them.
Being a stubborn "gutmensch" about them does not help you or your case. Wanna play EvE without investing own money? Earn isk, its not that hard you want to make believe. You want to play more than one char that way? One has to work harder.
You stand up and try to defend a bunch of happless whiners.
Atomic Virulent : "You can't spell DOUCHE. without CODE."
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Tippia
Sunshine and Lollipops
26122
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Posted - 2015.09.19 09:45:31 -
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Aaron wrote:Another group of people affected by plex price. Tippia, Salvos have you read this post and understood it? Have you? Did you notice that nothing he said was connected to what you're arguing?
His post, like every one you try to dig up is still irrelevant to your position. They still don't support any part of your lack of argument. Finding more of them will not change this.
You have failed to prove that your suggestion will have anything even remotely resembling the consequences you imagine. You hav also failed to prove that not following your suggestion will have anything even remotely resembling the consequences you imagine for that path. In short, you have failed to demonstrate anything that supports your wish for cheaper PLEX GÇö you have no argument.
Unless you start addressing the points everyone have brought up against the monumental gaps and flaws in your reasoning, you still won't have an argument GÇö referencing more irrelevant posts will not change this. Address the points or just accept the unavoidable fact that you're wrong. Can you do this?
Quote:At least I'm putting forward viable solutions No you're not. Reducing CCPs income is not a viable solution to anything, and that's the only thing you have suggested. Hell, it's not even a solution GÇö it's just you being cheap, and nothing CCP does can ever change that.
GÇ£If you're not willing to fight for what you have in GëívGëí you don't deserve it, and you will lose it.GÇ¥
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Eli Apol
Definitely a nullsec alt
489
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Posted - 2015.09.19 10:33:17 -
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Anne Dieu-le-veut wrote:Eli Apol wrote:Anne Dieu-le-veut wrote:Eli Apol wrote:Anne Dieu-le-veut wrote:I'm sure CCP is losing all kinds of sleep over freeloaders threatening to quit. It's like threatening to stop pirating cable if the cable company doesn't lower their prices.
WTF do you whiners honestly expect CCP to do? They're not going to put a hard cap on what people can charge. If they lowered the IRL price of PLEX, there is no guarantee people buying PLEX from CCP would sell them any cheaper. If PLEX are selling reasonably fast for 1.2B, there's no reason for sellers to lower the price. You seem to forget that us freeloaders are part of the content they provide to their paying customers. You make it sound like you're doing CCP a favor lol. You didn't answer the question...what do you want them to do about it? I haven't whined about it since I'm still plexing my accounts fairly comfortably - therefore your question wasn't directed at me. I'm just pointing out how stupid your particular rubbishing of free players was without them just how much quieter would the game be? How much quieter would the game be? I don't know and don't care. How many of those people even interact with other players? Let's just consider your sample size of PLEX users that you have never interacted with...which I presume is 0 since you've never interacted with them and so logically you can't quantify them in your sample size.
Then consider the PLEX users you have interacted with...which is probably not 0...(hint I'm a PLEX user and I'm interacting with you).
Now according to my very limited mathematical ability, that gives you a 100% interaction with PLEX users based upon YOUR experiences. So where exactly is the evidence that these PLEX users don't interact with you let alone other players in the game.
NB. I'm aware that this is obviously not a true reflection of the real 'interaction' percentage of PLEX users - just again proving how stupid your points are.
but what would I know, I'm just a salvager
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Aoife Fraoch
Rabble Inc.
139
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Posted - 2015.09.19 10:42:39 -
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Aaron wrote:Zihao wrote:Aaron, I'm surprised you haven't suggested the obvious solution of forcing every player to submit a tax return so that CCP can charge only those able to pay. This really is the only "fair," way of doing things. Surely a good socialist would support this instead of that craven-quasi-capitalist stuff you mentioned in the other thread? Go ahead and troll me while the game falls apart around us. At least I'm putting forward viable solutions instead of chatting ****.
I was going to write something longer, but there is little point. Mostly because you are trolling.
You propose an idea, you concern troll 'for the poor plexing users' and you respond to criticisms of your idea with mocking and personal attacks just on the right side of the forum rules.
So, troll.
For everyone else, there is no reason to assume that increasing the supply of PLEX will cause any immediate change in the plex price, but many others have addressed this. |
Aaron
Eternal Frontier
315
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Posted - 2015.09.19 14:27:50 -
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Tippia, Salvos, anything I will say you will disagree with.
If I said the numbers are dropping would you agree? No.
If I said that based on customer feedback a hand full of players have said they see plex isk price as a reason for them leaving would you agree? No.
You guys really see a corp CEO reporting that many of his players have left the game because of plex price and other reasons as irrelevant? Yes.
So the first rule of any business you guys are doing is to ignore customer feedback? Yes.
If people have the attitude of Tippia and salvos then were going to fail for sure.
I've studied plex on eve central which was updated about 1 hour ago and I have questions. Why is the buy order for 100 plex gone? Has someone cashed out? or have they taken down the buy order because they see investing in plex as a bad move? whatever the case it is important to analyse why.
The posts I mentioned where people have said plex is a reason for them leaving are in fact relevant, CCP and the plex traders are losing sales.
Do you see that by making it possible for the 5 account guy to plex his accounts as a good thing? No.
You guys have developed a bad attitude toward listening and understanding key information related to why our numbers are dropping, I also think that any intelligent person who has the ability to analyse the plex market will never waste their time posting here because they'll get similar apathetic responses from CCP and most of the remaining player base. Complaining about obvious issues which affect the game has become pointless and I'm going to leave you guys to fumble around trying to figure out why numbers are dropping.
We are going through an Eve recession, CCP are the only ones who can remedy this.
Fear no one, live life, be free, accept the truth, do not judge others, defend yourself, fight hard till the end, meditate on problems and be prosperous. Things to exist by. -- RAIN Arthie
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Tank Murdock Jnr
Imperial Shipment Amarr Empire
20
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Posted - 2015.09.19 14:45:31 -
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Aaron wrote:Everyhing Aaron has said in this thread.
Yeah, I'm going to have to call troll too. It's gone way past being even a remotely sensible position.
When a person is insane, as you clearly are, do you know that you're insane? Maybe you're just sitting around, reading 'Guns and Ammo', masturbating in your own faeces, do you just stop and go, 'Wow! It is amazing how f*cking crazy I really am!'?
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Aaron
Eternal Frontier
315
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Posted - 2015.09.19 14:48:04 -
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Tippia wrote:
No you're not. Reducing CCPs income is not a viable solution to anything, and that's the only thing you have suggested. Hell, it's not even a solution GÇö it's just you being cheap, and nothing CCP does can ever change that.
You've not paid attention, I've said multiple times that I am not a plex user. I passionately argue my points because lots of people leaving will affect me. You don't even have the ability to read what I have said in it's entirety yet you want to talk like you're a market analyst.
A cheaper RL plex cost will attract more people and prop up the economy within Eve.
Fear no one, live life, be free, accept the truth, do not judge others, defend yourself, fight hard till the end, meditate on problems and be prosperous. Things to exist by. -- RAIN Arthie
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Tippia
Sunshine and Lollipops
26124
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Posted - 2015.09.19 14:53:43 -
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Aaron wrote:Tippia, Salvos, anything I will say you will disagree with. No, just the stuff that makes no sense, the stuff that you can't explain, the stuff that you can't argue in favour of, and the stuff that you fail to provide supporting evidence for.
Unfortunately, that pretty much covers the stuff you're willing to actually provide. Well, that and strawman arguments or other fallacies, since you know that any attempt on your part at constructing an actual argument will fail, seeing as how you have none of the necessary components to make one.
Quote:If people have the attitude of Tippia and salvos then were going to fail for sure. No, only you. You see, the attitude I have is that you need to provide evidence to support your stance, as well as some kind of causal coherence. This is a good attitude to have since it leads to informed decisions. It also exposes uninformed and ignorant ideasGǪ you know, yours. That's why you fail, every time.
Quote:The posts I mentioned where people have said plex is a reason for them leaving are in fact relevant No. None of them even come close to being relevant to your idea that CCP needs to reduce the retail price of PLEX. They don't even mention it, and you have consistently failed to offer any sane or sensible connection between what they say and what you want the conclusion to be.
Quote:You guys have developed a bad attitude toward listening and understanding key information related to why our numbers are dropping No. We have just developed the attitude that until you actually provide a sane, coherent, consistent, evidence-supported argument, your posts are worthless spam. This is not a GÇ£bad attitudeGÇ¥ GÇö it's just an inevitable and logical conclusion.
Quote:We are going through an Eve recession, CCP are the only ones who can remedy this. Prove it.
GÇ£If you're not willing to fight for what you have in GëívGëí you don't deserve it, and you will lose it.GÇ¥
Get a good start: Newbie skillplan 2.2.
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Jonah Gravenstein
Machiavellian Space Bastards
25072
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Posted - 2015.09.19 15:02:03 -
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Aaron wrote:Tippia wrote:
No you're not. Reducing CCPs income is not a viable solution to anything, and that's the only thing you have suggested. Hell, it's not even a solution GÇö it's just you being cheap, and nothing CCP does can ever change that.
You've not paid attention, I've said multiple times that I am not a plex user. I passionately argue my points because lots of people leaving will affect me. You don't even have the ability to read what I have said in it's entirety yet you want to talk like you're a market analyst. A cheaper RL plex cost will attract more people and prop up the economy within Eve. Good god man, are you seriously that naive? Ingame prices would not decrease, any cheaper PLEX that appeared for sale would be instantly gobbled up and added to current stockpiles.
On a side note... You do realise that a subscription is cheaper than a PLEX?
Civilized behaviour is knowing that violence is barbaric, but paying other people to do it is business.
Nil mortifi sine lucre.
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Tippia
Sunshine and Lollipops
26126
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Posted - 2015.09.19 15:10:42 -
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Aaron wrote:You don't even have the ability to read what I have said in it's entirety yet you want to talk like you're a market analyst. Not only do I have the ability to read what you say GÇö I also have the ability to analyse the chain of events you're envisioning and notice that you can't actually link it together in a coherent manner. That leaves a single sane and sensible reason for your requestGǪ
Quote:A cheaper RL plex cost will attract more people and prop up the economy within Eve. Prove it.
GÇ£If you're not willing to fight for what you have in GëívGëí you don't deserve it, and you will lose it.GÇ¥
Get a good start: Newbie skillplan 2.2.
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Aaron
Eternal Frontier
315
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Posted - 2015.09.19 15:11:05 -
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Tippia wrote:
No. None of them even come close to being relevant to your idea that CCP needs to reduce the retail price of PLEX. They don't even mention it, and you have consistently failed to offer any sane or sensible connection between what they say and what you want the conclusion to be.
LMAO, now you're trying to tell me the RL price of a plex has no effect on the isk price? The people who use RL cash to buy plex want value for money which I understand. This is the kind of logic you refer to as insane. God knows how you got all those likes, you talk ****.
Fear no one, live life, be free, accept the truth, do not judge others, defend yourself, fight hard till the end, meditate on problems and be prosperous. Things to exist by. -- RAIN Arthie
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Zihao
Signal Cartel EvE-Scout Enclave
93
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Posted - 2015.09.19 15:12:22 -
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Aaron wrote:We are going through an Eve recession, CCP are the only ones who can remedy this.
I don't see the workers' controlling the means of production, so how are you able to say this? Clearly it violates your stated principles. |
Tank Murdock Jnr
Imperial Shipment Amarr Empire
21
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Posted - 2015.09.19 15:16:46 -
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I actually think there is an argument to increase the real-life price of plex and subscriptions.
People who actually wanted to play would shrug, pay a little more, and keep doing so...and those who are constant cry-babies would disappear up their own wormholes and give the rest of us peace.
Charge a premium price for a premium product! Evict the paupers!
When a person is insane, as you clearly are, do you know that you're insane? Maybe you're just sitting around, reading 'Guns and Ammo', masturbating in your own faeces, do you just stop and go, 'Wow! It is amazing how f*cking crazy I really am!'?
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Jonah Gravenstein
Machiavellian Space Bastards
25072
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Posted - 2015.09.19 15:17:26 -
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Aaron wrote:LMAO, now you're trying to tell me the RL price of a plex has no effect on the isk price? It doesn't, the RL price of a PLEX is irrelevant once it enters the game, because it no longer has a RL fiscal value.
The only things that affects the isk price of a PLEX as an ingame item are how much you can get away with selling it for, and how much people are willing to pay for it. Any excess PLEX generated by a cheaper price soon get added to the stockpiles of the people of people who use them as an investment or collateral.
As Tippia says you are making an outlandish claim, it is up to you to provide proof of it. I'll make it easy for you; Amazon PLEX sales, which offer considerable reductions, and their effect, or lack of it, on the isk value of PLEX.
Civilized behaviour is knowing that violence is barbaric, but paying other people to do it is business.
Nil mortifi sine lucre.
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Tippia
Sunshine and Lollipops
26127
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Posted - 2015.09.19 15:17:48 -
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Aaron wrote:LMAO, now you're trying to tell me the RL price of a plex has no effect on the isk price? No, I'm telling you to prove it.
So prove it.
GÇ£If you're not willing to fight for what you have in GëívGëí you don't deserve it, and you will lose it.GÇ¥
Get a good start: Newbie skillplan 2.2.
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Zihao
Signal Cartel EvE-Scout Enclave
93
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Posted - 2015.09.19 15:26:53 -
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I can see where the cash price of PLEX going down could induce a few new cash buyers, and I believe the corollary is also true, that PLEX purchasing power going up means more new entrants selling a small number of or individual PLEX.
But, what's being glossed over by our Comrade is the fact that sustained lowering of the price point isn't something CCP can afford, else they'd already be doing it. |
Aaron
Eternal Frontier
315
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Posted - 2015.09.19 15:28:52 -
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Jonah Gravenstein wrote:Aaron wrote:Tippia wrote:
No you're not. Reducing CCPs income is not a viable solution to anything, and that's the only thing you have suggested. Hell, it's not even a solution GÇö it's just you being cheap, and nothing CCP does can ever change that.
You've not paid attention, I've said multiple times that I am not a plex user. I passionately argue my points because lots of people leaving will affect me. You don't even have the ability to read what I have said in it's entirety yet you want to talk like you're a market analyst. A cheaper RL plex cost will attract more people and prop up the economy within Eve. Good god man, are you seriously that naive? Ingame prices would not decrease, any cheaper PLEX that appeared for sale would be instantly gobbled up and added to current stockpiles. On a side note... You do realise that a subscription is cheaper than a PLEX?
LOL, If the cost was reduced to -ú9.99 and this prompted cheaper plex people could go ahead and gobble up the cheaper plex to stockpile, I think it would be futile because the value wouldn't be there. If the price of -ú16.99 is reduced then obviously the in game value will reduce.
I agree that it would take a while to reduce.
Fear no one, live life, be free, accept the truth, do not judge others, defend yourself, fight hard till the end, meditate on problems and be prosperous. Things to exist by. -- RAIN Arthie
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Tippia
Sunshine and Lollipops
26127
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Posted - 2015.09.19 15:33:38 -
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Aaron wrote:If the cost was reduced to -ú9.99 and this prompted cheaper plex GÇ£IfGÇ¥. That's where your entire problem lies. This is the part you need to prove. Or, wellGǪ it's the fist part you have to prove.
Quote:I think it would be futile because the value wouldn't be there. If the price of -ú16.99 is reduced then obviously the in game value will reduce. Prove it.
GÇ£If you're not willing to fight for what you have in GëívGëí you don't deserve it, and you will lose it.GÇ¥
Get a good start: Newbie skillplan 2.2.
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Aaron
Eternal Frontier
315
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Posted - 2015.09.19 15:35:23 -
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Jonah Gravenstein wrote:Aaron wrote:LMAO, now you're trying to tell me the RL price of a plex has no effect on the isk price? It doesn't, the RL price of a PLEX is irrelevant once it enters the game, because it no longer has a RL fiscal value. The only things that affects the isk price of a PLEX as an ingame item are how much you can get away with selling it for, and how much people are willing to pay for it. Any excess PLEX generated by a cheaper price soon get added to the stockpiles of the people of people who use them as an investment or collateral. As Tippia says you are making an outlandish claim, it is up to you to provide proof of it. I'll make it easy for you; Amazon PLEX sales, which offer considerable reductions, and their effect, or lack of it, on the isk value of PLEX.
In a few months we will be at the point where people aren't willing to pay anything for plex because they've left the game.
Fear no one, live life, be free, accept the truth, do not judge others, defend yourself, fight hard till the end, meditate on problems and be prosperous. Things to exist by. -- RAIN Arthie
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Nicolai Serkanner
Jebediah Kerman's Junkyard and Spaceship Parts Co. Brave Collective
483
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Posted - 2015.09.19 15:36:21 -
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Aaron wrote:Tippia wrote:
No. None of them even come close to being relevant to your idea that CCP needs to reduce the retail price of PLEX. They don't even mention it, and you have consistently failed to offer any sane or sensible connection between what they say and what you want the conclusion to be.
LMAO, now you're trying to tell me the RL price of a plex has no effect on the isk price? The people who use RL cash to buy plex want value for money which I understand. This is the kind of logic you refer to as insane. God knows how you got all those likes, you talk ****.
You should really stop posting because you make absolutely no sense at all. |
Jonah Gravenstein
Machiavellian Space Bastards
25072
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Posted - 2015.09.19 15:39:05 -
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Aaron wrote:Jonah Gravenstein wrote:Aaron wrote:Tippia wrote:
No you're not. Reducing CCPs income is not a viable solution to anything, and that's the only thing you have suggested. Hell, it's not even a solution GÇö it's just you being cheap, and nothing CCP does can ever change that.
You've not paid attention, I've said multiple times that I am not a plex user. I passionately argue my points because lots of people leaving will affect me. You don't even have the ability to read what I have said in it's entirety yet you want to talk like you're a market analyst. A cheaper RL plex cost will attract more people and prop up the economy within Eve. Good god man, are you seriously that naive? Ingame prices would not decrease, any cheaper PLEX that appeared for sale would be instantly gobbled up and added to current stockpiles. On a side note... You do realise that a subscription is cheaper than a PLEX? LOL, If the cost was reduced to -ú9.99 and this prompted cheaper plex people could go ahead and gobble up the cheaper plex to stockpile, I think it would be futile because the value wouldn't be there. If the price of -ú16.99 is reduced then obviously the in game value will reduce. I agree that it would take a while to reduce. I don't think it would reduce at all tbh, there are enough people willing to pay the current prices, because it represents a very small percentage of their in game income stream, that any glut of cheaper PLEX would simply be snapped up and relisted at a profitable price or added to an existing stockpile.
The people who are sitting on PLEX stockpiles can afford to buy them in bulk as fast as they appear, by virtue of having enough space gold to make Scrooge Mcduck look like a hobo.
Quote:In a few months we will be at the point where people aren't willing to pay anything for plex because they've left the game.
Doom and gloom...
Civilized behaviour is knowing that violence is barbaric, but paying other people to do it is business.
Nil mortifi sine lucre.
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Aaron
Eternal Frontier
315
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Posted - 2015.09.19 15:47:19 -
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Nicolai Serkanner wrote:Aaron wrote:Tippia wrote:
No. None of them even come close to being relevant to your idea that CCP needs to reduce the retail price of PLEX. They don't even mention it, and you have consistently failed to offer any sane or sensible connection between what they say and what you want the conclusion to be.
LMAO, now you're trying to tell me the RL price of a plex has no effect on the isk price? The people who use RL cash to buy plex want value for money which I understand. This is the kind of logic you refer to as insane. God knows how you got all those likes, you talk ****. You should really stop posting because you make absolutely no sense at all.
Does this guy not make any sense either?
A plex sale for people and ccp
Fear no one, live life, be free, accept the truth, do not judge others, defend yourself, fight hard till the end, meditate on problems and be prosperous. Things to exist by. -- RAIN Arthie
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Zihao
Signal Cartel EvE-Scout Enclave
93
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Posted - 2015.09.19 15:47:58 -
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I don't see how you could doubt his predictive power. He's clearly the central planner we all need. |
Jonah Gravenstein
Machiavellian Space Bastards
25072
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Posted - 2015.09.19 15:54:52 -
[447] - Quote
Unlike you he puts forward a halfway decent argument for what he proposes, and he accepts that his proposal would only result in a temporary, if any, reduction in current market prices.
I suggest you read it fully before comparing it to your insanity.
Civilized behaviour is knowing that violence is barbaric, but paying other people to do it is business.
Nil mortifi sine lucre.
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Tippia
Sunshine and Lollipops
26127
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Posted - 2015.09.19 16:02:15 -
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He has evidence and reasoning to support his stance, which coincidentally directly contradict your assumptions, so that's an immediate mark in his favour. He also concludes that it won't actually make PLEX prices go down in the long run, but also happily skips over the fundamental problem that it drastically reduces not just CCP's income, but their ability to reliably predict that income over a long period.
So just because he makes more sense than you (and contradicts you in doing so) doesn't mean that the overall plan is very sensible or well thought-though, no.
GÇ£If you're not willing to fight for what you have in GëívGëí you don't deserve it, and you will lose it.GÇ¥
Get a good start: Newbie skillplan 2.2.
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Aaron
Eternal Frontier
315
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Posted - 2015.09.19 16:53:59 -
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Tippia wrote:He has evidence and reasoning to support his stance, which coincidentally directly contradict your assumptions, so that's an immediate mark in his favour. He also concludes that it won't actually make PLEX prices go down in the long run, but also happily skips over the fundamental problem that it drastically reduces not just CCP's income, but their ability to reliably predict that income over a long period. So just because he makes more sense than you (and contradicts you in doing so) doesn't mean that the overall plan is very sensible or well thought-though, no.
So whats your plan to increase numbers and bring back the players who have already left due to high plex prices? Oh wait, you're not even prepared to acknowledge there is a problem or that people post replies that relate to them leaving because of the said issue.
Fear no one, live life, be free, accept the truth, do not judge others, defend yourself, fight hard till the end, meditate on problems and be prosperous. Things to exist by. -- RAIN Arthie
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Tippia
Sunshine and Lollipops
26129
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Posted - 2015.09.19 16:58:37 -
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Aaron wrote:So whats your plan to [yadda yadda irrelevant guff] Trying to evade the question by shifting the burden of proof will not make it go away GÇö that's why it's a fallacy.
So: prove it.
GÇ£If you're not willing to fight for what you have in GëívGëí you don't deserve it, and you will lose it.GÇ¥
Get a good start: Newbie skillplan 2.2.
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