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Zifrian
Licentia Ex Vereor Phoebe Freeport Republic
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Posted - 2015.09.16 11:58:35 -
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I don't think it's a coincidence that plex prices rose dramatically after CCP released multi-char training and skins. I also don't think it's a coincidence that plex prices crashed when isboxer was banned. And now I don't think it's a coincidence that prices are rising again with most is boxers gone from the game, new skins added, and fan fest coming up (pay with plex).
In a nutshell, it seems like this is just supply and demand. Sure there are hoarders, but they take a risk in doing so - there is no free lunch here. Plus, people still buy plex at the price listed for whatever they do with them. I know because I've sold plenty lately.
I'd love to see detailed data on this market some time to really theorize but the parallels to people whining about the price of something due to free market economics in RL is telling. I liken it to people who cry murder when uber uses dynamic pricing to charge $100 a mile for a cab after a major event in the city or when gas prices rise above $3 a gallon. Maybe we should call a special session of the CSM to denounce plex price gouging and set up a panel to study the "problem"....or maybe some of us should just accept that we don't really like capitalism, especially when it's not "fair" to our own wants and needs.
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Jenn aSide
Ascendent. Test Alliance Please Ignore
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Posted - 2015.09.16 12:26:14 -
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Mir Jana wrote:1 account Eve = 1 account in WoT + 1 account in LoL + 1 account in (random game name) = more fun then EVE at these plex prices...
If PLEX prices are impacting your 'fun' that just means your way of thinking is the problem, not the price of PLEX.
This is a very good example of what another poster said here, PLEX fooled ignorant people into thinking the game was 'free'. Notice how the above poster lists nothing but free to play games in his comparison to EVE. |
Market McSelling Alt
Bernie Madoff Investment Services LLC
576
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Posted - 2015.09.16 12:50:12 -
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Jenn aSide wrote:Mir Jana wrote:1 account Eve = 1 account in WoT + 1 account in LoL + 1 account in (random game name) = more fun then EVE at these plex prices... If PLEX prices are impacting your 'fun' that just means your way of thinking is the problem, not the price of PLEX. This is a very good example of what another poster said here, PLEX fooled ignorant people into thinking the game was 'free'. Notice how the above poster lists nothing but free to play games in his comparison to EVE.
I understand that Plex doesn't change the fun level of Eve... but what does it say about Eve that players would rather play free games than this one?
I said it before, I will say it again, and you will undoubtedly white-knight to the bitter end. Many players are willing to play Eve when it is free to them through Plex. Just because it is worth playing doesn't mean it is worth paying for to these players.
Best description of Eve Online and why the community is the way it is
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Gillia Winddancer
Aliastra Gallente Federation
440
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Posted - 2015.09.16 12:58:19 -
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Market McSelling Alt wrote:Jenn aSide wrote:Mir Jana wrote:1 account Eve = 1 account in WoT + 1 account in LoL + 1 account in (random game name) = more fun then EVE at these plex prices... If PLEX prices are impacting your 'fun' that just means your way of thinking is the problem, not the price of PLEX. This is a very good example of what another poster said here, PLEX fooled ignorant people into thinking the game was 'free'. Notice how the above poster lists nothing but free to play games in his comparison to EVE. I understand that Plex doesn't change the fun level of Eve... but what does it say about Eve that players would rather play free games than this one? I said it before, I will say it again, and you will undoubtedly white-knight to the bitter end. Many players are willing to play Eve when it is free to them through Plex. Just because it is worth playing doesn't mean it is worth paying for to these players.
First, EVE is not free. Second, PLEX prices are set by market supply and demand.
Thus, players are only willing to play EVE via PLEX only is an argument that is null and void. If they don't like the situation then either they ask their mommy if they can borrow her credit card or they bugger off and do something else.
Also, who the hell is stupid enough to start grading fun-factor to PLEX or prices anyway? Specially for a game like EVE?
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Jenn aSide
Ascendent. Test Alliance Please Ignore
12362
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Posted - 2015.09.16 12:58:51 -
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Market McSelling Alt wrote:Jenn aSide wrote:Mir Jana wrote:1 account Eve = 1 account in WoT + 1 account in LoL + 1 account in (random game name) = more fun then EVE at these plex prices... If PLEX prices are impacting your 'fun' that just means your way of thinking is the problem, not the price of PLEX. This is a very good example of what another poster said here, PLEX fooled ignorant people into thinking the game was 'free'. Notice how the above poster lists nothing but free to play games in his comparison to EVE. I understand that Plex doesn't change the fun level of Eve... but what does it say about Eve that players would rather play free games than this one?
It says that in general gamers suck, are cheapskates and we are better off without them.
Quote: I said it before, I will say it again, and you will undoubtedly white-knight to the bitter end. Many players are willing to play Eve when it is free to them through Plex. Just because it is worth playing doesn't mean it is worth paying for to these players.
Screw them. The problem is a screwed up mentality ("something I like is worth the time it takes to get plex, but it's not worth 50 cents a day!"). CCP and EVE aren't responsible for the screwed up mentality of today's instant gratification gamer.
More to the point, it's CCP's efforts to attain more of these types of people that have driven REAL EVE players (people with a sense of responsibly, a sense of patience, and sense of context (15 bucks a month is cheap for epic video game entertainment) and who know how to make 50 cents in a 24 hour span of time) away from the game.
While I don't believe EVE is in any danger, I'd rather see it actually die rather than cater to the kinds of horribly entitled whiners you'd love to see it populated by. |
Salvos Rhoska
1457
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Posted - 2015.09.16 13:14:42 -
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Lucas Kell wrote:Ergo, rising PLEX price doesn't affect income for CCP. Game continues as ever it has. Where have I said anything different? Where did you even pull this completely disconnected statement out of?
Lucas Kell wrote:]The part you miss out is that you already handed value over, so you're not up the value of the PLEX. I've never said anything that even remotely contradicts this. I didn't "miss" any part out. I said exactly this and carried this point in my post.
Your responses are schizophrenic in that it seems you are having an imaginary discussion with someone in your own head, rather than with what I have written. You make false implications and assumptions and misrepresent what the other person has said, to the result that its like you are arguing with yourself, rather than what I have said.
Learn to read what is actually being said. Not what you IMAGINE is being said.
Zihao wrote:Irrelevant would be the distinction you're drawing between speculators and consumers. Speculators and consumers are different and distinct in this case. Both as demographics and in their behavior.
You have no point.
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Jenn aSide
Ascendent. Test Alliance Please Ignore
12362
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Posted - 2015.09.16 13:16:10 -
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Gillia Winddancer wrote:
Also, who the hell is stupid enough to start grading fun-factor to PLEX or prices anyway? Specially for a game like EVE?
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Market McSelling Alt
Bernie Madoff Investment Services LLC
576
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Posted - 2015.09.16 13:18:32 -
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Jenn aSide wrote:Market McSelling Alt wrote:Jenn aSide wrote:Mir Jana wrote:1 account Eve = 1 account in WoT + 1 account in LoL + 1 account in (random game name) = more fun then EVE at these plex prices... If PLEX prices are impacting your 'fun' that just means your way of thinking is the problem, not the price of PLEX. This is a very good example of what another poster said here, PLEX fooled ignorant people into thinking the game was 'free'. Notice how the above poster lists nothing but free to play games in his comparison to EVE. I understand that Plex doesn't change the fun level of Eve... but what does it say about Eve that players would rather play free games than this one? It says that in general gamers suck, are cheapskates and we are better off without them. Quote: I said it before, I will say it again, and you will undoubtedly white-knight to the bitter end. Many players are willing to play Eve when it is free to them through Plex. Just because it is worth playing doesn't mean it is worth paying for to these players.
Screw them. The problem is a screwed up mentality ("something I like is worth the time it takes to get plex, but it's not worth 50 cents a day!"). CCP and EVE aren't responsible for the screwed up mentality of today's instant gratification gamer. More to the point, it's CCP's efforts to attain more of these types of people that have driven REAL EVE players (people with a sense of responsibly, a sense of patience, and sense of context (15 bucks a month is cheap for epic video game entertainment) and who know how to make 50 cents in a 24 hour span of time) away from the game. While I don't believe EVE is in any danger, I'd rather see it actually die rather than cater to the kinds of horribly entitled whiners you'd love to see it populated by.
You'd rather see it die... how noble your cause.
What is it again that CCP has done since 2009 to "attain" new players? Was it all that new shinny content they added like two iterations of Sov and ship skins?
My point had nothing to do with plex actually. It was more about Eve. CCP needs to make Eve beat free to play games, and if you think players are the problem and not CCP, then we can stop this discussion right now and watch the water drain to the bottom of the bowl together.
Best description of Eve Online and why the community is the way it is
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Jenn aSide
Ascendent. Test Alliance Please Ignore
12362
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Posted - 2015.09.16 13:33:22 -
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Market McSelling Alt wrote:
You'd rather see it die... how noble your cause.
What is it again that CCP has done since 2009 to "attain" new players? Was it all that new shinny content they added like two iterations of Sov and ship skins?
Safety. Rules and mechanics bent on crushing people who actually do interesting things in the hopes that LoL playing non-contributing zeros will stay a bit longer.....
Pop ups for EVERYTHING ("oh no, don't scratch your left arse cheek, you might get a - 0.000001 reduction in sec status if you do), and lets not forget all the PVE they added in that time. When I started BELT RATTING was profitable, now we have endlessly spawning anoms, high sec sites in low sec, epic arcs, burners, drifters, sleepers, incursions, clone soldiers, pirate faction ships coming out of high sec LP stores, pirate faction ships dropping (in the form of redeemable chips) from Drone sites, ghost sites, mordus sites, easier scanning, a freaking exploration mini game and loads of introduced PVE specific modules and deployables.
Even after all that, that 'flood of new players' never materialized. Because all those additons and changes weren't enough. Till EVe has 'levels' so that players can 'catch up' and standard mmo style "instances" that can't be penetrated by other players so they can be 'left alone', EVE will never ever be popular.
Quote: My point had nothing to do with plex actually. It was more about Eve. CCP needs to make Eve beat free to play games, and if you think players are the problem and not CCP, then we can stop this discussion right now and watch the water drain to the bottom of the bowl together.
It does beat free to play games, for the right type of player. CCP needs to find the right type of player, rather than what they've been doing. Along with their wrong headed watering down of EVE over the past 6 or so years, Their marketing (to incompatibles like 'standard' instant gratification mmo players and Original Elite/Wing Commander "jet fighters in space" nostolgics) is the big problem (if there is a problem). CCP should be marketing to people who like engineering type challenges, people who find 'high finance' simulators appealing, and it wouldn't hurt to advertise in magazines read by people who would find EVE naturally appealing.
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Markus Reese
Deep Core Mining Inc. Caldari State
577
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Posted - 2015.09.16 13:56:11 -
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Jenn aSide wrote:Mir Jana wrote:1 account Eve = 1 account in WoT + 1 account in LoL + 1 account in (random game name) = more fun then EVE at these plex prices... If PLEX prices are impacting your 'fun' that just means your way of thinking is the problem, not the price of PLEX. This is a very good example of what another poster said here, PLEX fooled ignorant people into thinking the game was 'free'. Notice how the above poster lists nothing but free to play games in his comparison to EVE.
LoL, I spent more in that per month than eve.... Proper FTP, a fun game, well made, I will spend money in bling.
To quote Lfod Shi
The ratting itself is PvE. Getting away with it is PvP.
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Captain Awkward
Republic University Minmatar Republic
54
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Posted - 2015.09.16 14:03:33 -
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People are willing to throw out huge amounts of money at pay to win games and mobile games that offer only a fraction of what EvE is.
People pay monthly sub for pay TV. People pay 10 $ / Gé¼ / ... to get into a 2 hour cinema movie. People by Fastfood for 6+ $ / Gé¼ / ... for a single meal.
And jet they complain when it comes to monthly 15 $ / Gé¼ / ... for EvE. |
Lucas Kell
Internet Terrorists SpaceMonkey's Alliance
6805
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Posted - 2015.09.16 15:37:04 -
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Salvos Rhoska wrote:stuff I did read what was said, you were banging on (with your usual verbosity) about retained value as if it means a damn thing. I'm yet to see you make a valid and relevant point. No need to get all upset friend.
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Lucas Kell
Internet Terrorists SpaceMonkey's Alliance
6805
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Posted - 2015.09.16 15:44:36 -
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Jenn aSide wrote:It does beat free to play games, for the right type of player. CCP needs to find the right type of player, rather than what they've been doing. Along with their wrong headed watering down of EVE over the past 6 or so years, Their marketing (to incompatibles like 'standard' instant gratification mmo players and Original Elite/Wing Commander "jet fighters in space" nostolgics) is the big problem (if there is a problem). CCP should be marketing to people who like engineering type challenges, people who find 'high finance' simulators appealing, and it wouldn't hurt to advertise in magazines read by people who would find EVE naturally appealing. I agree on marketing, that's a problem area for CCP, but with your pother points, the problem isn't that they make too many PvE mechanics or make it marginally harder for "pirates" to have an easy ride, it's that the type of people they've let be the face of this community are generally the most anti-social neckbeards that can possibly be found. The amount of elitist spew that comes from people who at the end of the day are playing a no-skill minimum effort space spreadsheet game is shocking, and turns most people away.
The Indecisive Noob - EVE fan blog.
Wholesale Trading - The new bulk trading mailing list.
Chrysus Industries - Savings made simple!
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Zifrian
Licentia Ex Vereor Phoebe Freeport Republic
1657
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Posted - 2015.09.16 16:01:02 -
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Captain Awkward wrote:People are willing to throw out huge amounts of money at pay to win games and mobile games that offer only a fraction of what EvE is.
People pay monthly sub for pay TV. People pay 10 $ / Gé¼ / ... to get into a 2 hour cinema movie. People by Fastfood for 6+ $ / Gé¼ / ... for a single meal. People pay for the gym without even going there once.
And jet they complain when it comes to monthly 15 $ / Gé¼ / ... for EvE. Relevant - http://theoatmeal.com/blog/apps
GÇ£Any fool can criticize, condemn, and complain - and most fools do. GÇ¥ - Dale Carnegie
Maximze your Industry Potential! - Download EVE Isk per Hour!
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MrQuisno
Perkone Caldari State
6
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Posted - 2015.09.16 16:03:34 -
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Hello,
Plex prices will not stop any time soon. Their will be slowly down point but it wont be for while. For these who pay for the game their will be no problems. But for theses who play the game for free well this will be a dying trend soon. enjoy what time left you have left in the game. " pay up or quit ". No player will want to play the game for 80+ hours a week to pay 4b month per account unless you got hours to place in the game which most don't. enjoy what time you have left.. may plex cards hit 10b :))
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Jenn aSide
Ascendent. Test Alliance Please Ignore
12365
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Posted - 2015.09.16 16:25:52 -
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Zifrian wrote:Captain Awkward wrote:People are willing to throw out huge amounts of money at pay to win games and mobile games that offer only a fraction of what EvE is.
People pay monthly sub for pay TV. People pay 10 $ / Gé¼ / ... to get into a 2 hour cinema movie. People by Fastfood for 6+ $ / Gé¼ / ... for a single meal. People pay for the gym without even going there once.
And jet they complain when it comes to monthly 15 $ / Gé¼ / ... for EvE. Relevant - http://theoatmeal.com/blog/apps
Perfect
I can't remember the name for this phenomenon, but it has to do with the fact that human beings are natural comparison shoppers and tend think of things in relation to like-kind things, and not in more general terms. I say tend because we obvoulsy don't all do that. As your cartoon suggests, people do it with apps all the time.
For example, yesterday during my lunch break I went to Mcdonalds and spend $7.73 on a Double Quarterpounder meal (if my wife asked, it was actually a healthy salad with low fat dressing a side of tofu or some such bullshit lol). That's a little more than half of what a sub for one of my EVE accounts cost in terms of real money. That me kept me satisfied for maybe 5-6 hours till the next meal, the same amount of money would have provided me with 15 almost 16 DAYS of experiencing EVE online, and with much less artery clogging cholesterol lol.
But for others, it's a bad deal because other games are 'free'. Most gamers think like this (along with their "I need to catch up" and "I want to be left alone" BS), one of many reasons why I dislike mainstream gamers and love EVE for it's almost 'anti-gamer' mentality. A mentality that has sadly been eroded over time.
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Jenn aSide
Ascendent. Test Alliance Please Ignore
12365
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Posted - 2015.09.16 16:31:29 -
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MrQuisno wrote:Hello,
Plex prices will not stop any time soon. Their will be slowly down point but it wont be for while. For these who pay for the game their will be no problems. But for theses who play the game for free well this will be a dying trend soon. enjoy what time left you have left in the game. " pay up or quit ". No player will want to play the game for 80+ hours a week to pay 4b month per account unless you got hours to place in the game which most don't. enjoy what time you have left.. may plex cards hit 10b :))
10 bil plex and I'm quitting! lol 'j/k
I don't "like" the PLEX prices, I too like plexing my accounts, and at current prices, that means 4.8 bil worth of 'overhead'. Even for someone like my who rats with 2, sometime 3 accounts at once, that's not chump change, that's ike 40% of my average monthly in game income.
Thing is, I know PLEX is a luxury, and back when it was cheap, I knew it couldn't last because I knew from experience how easy it was to make isk. One time I got a bil worth of mods from one 10/10 and thought "whelp, that's 2 plex done for 35 minutes work!".
Nothing in real life stays easy, a game that emulates key facets of real life (which is what EVE does despite the spaceship background) is going to work the same way. Doesn't mean i liek it, it means I accept reality.
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Vortexo VonBrenner
Tadakastu-Obata Corporation The Honda Accord
2150
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Posted - 2015.09.16 16:40:43 -
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Zifrian wrote:Captain Awkward wrote:People are willing to throw out huge amounts of money at pay to win games and mobile games that offer only a fraction of what EvE is.
People pay monthly sub for pay TV. People pay 10 $ / Gé¼ / ... to get into a 2 hour cinema movie. People by Fastfood for 6+ $ / Gé¼ / ... for a single meal. People pay for the gym without even going there once.
And jet they complain when it comes to monthly 15 $ / Gé¼ / ... for EvE. Relevant - http://theoatmeal.com/blog/apps
+1
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Dersen Lowery
Scanners Live in Vain
1754
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Posted - 2015.09.16 16:48:04 -
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I honestly think that account PLEXing has more to do with a sense of mastery over the game than it has to do with saving $15. "I'm so good, I play for free! Unlike all those bads who actually pay cash every month."
The trouble with that is that as the ISK price of PLEX has gone up, the "bad, lazy" people who sell PLEX for ISK--get a better and better deal for their money. The "good, elite" people who have "mastered" the game find themselves grinding more and more to keep that title--and they complain when they feel that they're having to work too hard to keep their status. Nobody ever likes to lose status, not even internet space status.
At any rate, you don't just take a game F2P. You have to design (or redesign) the game around that. Given that CCP is hard at work redesigning the game, it's not impossible that they could do this, but I'm not sold on whether it's likely or desirable. $15/mo is cheap for what the game offers.
If there's a problem, it's that EVE's marketing is way off. It's not an action title, though it can be. It's not a PVP game in the way that 90% of the population things of PVP, nor is it a PVE game--though you can play it that way, sort of, sometimes.
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Zihao
Signal Cartel EvE-Scout Enclave
81
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Posted - 2015.09.16 16:49:15 -
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Salvos Rhoska wrote: Speculators and consumers are different and distinct in this case. Both as demographics and in their behavior. It is extremely relevant to my point.
I'm sure it's relevant to your point, but your point itself is irrelevant. CCP is paid by the person buying a PLEX whether he turns around and sells it to you or a speculator. |
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MrQuisno
Perkone Caldari State
6
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Posted - 2015.09.16 16:59:20 -
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Is it just me or is their group messing with plex cards right now? last few days it seem they have jump 150m iskes. was at 1.278b now 1.350b... last I check one person mess with one type of market is bad for the game... |
Zihao
Signal Cartel EvE-Scout Enclave
81
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Posted - 2015.09.16 17:05:38 -
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Grr markets. How dare people other than me use them. It's probably just one evil rich guy.... |
La Rynx
School of Applied Knowledge Caldari State
382
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Posted - 2015.09.16 17:09:27 -
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EvE is NOT expensive.
EvE is more a hobby than a game. In my book games are supposed to be more fun, then EvE is. And comparing to hobbies like RC-Helikopters or Planes, Fishing, Snowboarding, surfing EvE does not cost lots of money. Also the required Hardware is not so expensive. Cheap Laptops can handle at least one client, let alone modern Desktops. I assume it would run on tablets if ported.
OK, except you are a teen with only allowance. The actual price should be no problem.
Different to WoW EvE does not want money for upgrade, but to be fair, Blizz adds far more content into addons than CCP. But thats the difference in man and moneypower. And expierience in game development that CCP lacks.
MrQuisno wrote:Is it just me or is their group messing with plex cards right now? last few days it seem they have jump 150m iskes. was at 1.278b now 1.350b... last I check one person mess with one type of market is bad for the game...
So be it! And then what? If the player count drops to fast, the hoarder sits on a heap of plex he is unable to sell. This could backfire hard.
Atomic Virulent : "You can't spell DOUCHE. without CODE."
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Blade Darth
Room for Improvement Limited Expectations
0
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Posted - 2015.09.16 17:59:46 -
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It's getting pretty ridiculous... Can't even plex my main account, CTA's, hostiles in local, fleets etc. take lots of game time and doing this+ grinding 1b+ isk is too much. |
Jenn aSide
Ascendent. Test Alliance Please Ignore
12369
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Posted - 2015.09.16 18:32:03 -
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Blade Darth wrote:It's getting pretty ridiculous... Can't even plex my main account, CTA's, hostiles in local, fleets etc. take lots of game time and doing this+ grinding 1b+ isk is too much.
Damn if you don't have the right corp and alliance names. |
Markus Reese
Deep Core Mining Inc. Caldari State
579
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Posted - 2015.09.16 18:39:03 -
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La Rynx wrote:EvE is NOT expensive.
EvE is more a hobby than a game. In my book games are supposed to be more fun, then EvE is. And comparing to hobbies like RC-Helikopters or Planes, Fishing, Snowboarding, surfing EvE does not cost lots of money.
My CONTROLLER for RC plane = two years of eve sub. I don't even want to think the cost per hour of usage comparison. Toss in vintage motorcycles into the mix.... insanity. If these people who think 15 bucks a month is too much, try insuring a large displacement sport bike.....
Blade Darth wrote:It's getting pretty ridiculous... Can't even plex my main account, CTA's, hostiles in local, fleets etc. take lots of game time and doing this+ grinding 1b+ isk is too much.
And that is the issue. Farming etc has resulted in an expectation for rate of earning. It isn't fun because people expect too much simply because some broken forms of income result in high yields. Drives up operational costs, more time spent less fun or lack of time is lack of funds to match the meta.
To quote Lfod Shi
The ratting itself is PvE. Getting away with it is PvP.
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Divine Entervention
Legion's Knights Of The Round Intrepid Crossing
605
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Posted - 2015.09.16 18:46:18 -
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Well, imo this game (and society but that's a different story) needs less lazy poor people.
So high PLEX prices = less undesireables so this is a great situation for the rest of us. |
Bagrat Skalski
Poseidaon
9616
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Posted - 2015.09.16 18:51:47 -
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This game needs more lazy wealthy people.
But how a lazy person can be welthy? Isn't that oxymoron?
Custom ship skins, character creator style "repaint". Bring it!
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Malcanis
Vanishing Point. The Initiative.
17046
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Posted - 2015.09.16 20:08:03 -
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Inheritance or other privilege does the trick pretty well. Or luck.
Anyway, I've become part of the solution and just put 6 PLEX on the market in Jita.
No need to thank me, your ISK will be thanks enough.
"It is difficult to get a man to understand something, when his ISK/hr depends upon his not understanding it!"
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Markus Reese
Deep Core Mining Inc. Caldari State
579
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Posted - 2015.09.16 20:28:19 -
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Bagrat Skalski wrote:This game needs more lazy wealthy people.
But how a lazy person can be welthy? Isn't that oxymoron?
Not really. It is feeding off the greed of others, or having others do the work for you and taking a cut.
In eve, it is things that get you stuff you can get for isk with minimal effort. Is an issue, high earning is because it is consistent and predictable, aka broken.
To quote Lfod Shi
The ratting itself is PvE. Getting away with it is PvP.
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