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liquidism
Asgard Schiffswerften
Dusk and Dawn
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Posted - 2006.12.13 18:33:00 -
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Edited by: liquidism on 13/12/2006 19:05:51
problem: even in a nice alliance like mine there are some people that dont post lossmails
(yeah sad but true..you can name and shame them but that would mean someone has to go through all other killboards looking for kills not posted on the own board).
i wrote a addon/mod for your killboard that does that for you.
and even more.
if every killboard based on rig0rs source had this addon we could make a pretty cool network of boards all linked to each other and every board in the network would have nearly absolute accuracy regarding kill- and lossmails. this would also eliminate the need for a 'global' killboard or a database with ALL kills ever made because networking is much more powerful than a centralized data storage.
i kept in mind that everyone of you has probaly modded his own killboard to the extreme so i made the mod to only use the basic core functions of class.page, class.parser, class.killboard and class.kill and im pretty sure it will work on almost all killboard reincarnations out there.
the mod is already included in the latest version of the [D2] Killboard and i hope lots of other killboard admins will follow and also include this addon.
the mod contains three files, one file with all the classes and functions to process incoming streams, one with the admin interface and settings and one that outputs the kill data in rss format so other boards can grab that information from you and put it in their own database.
Screenshot of the admin interface : http://tomx.org/mod_feed_screen.jpg
features:
- as i made the mod i always kept in mind that it should take as few server resources on the feeding server as possible, so dont fear your box will lag out if you include the mod and other people fetch from your board. it will not.
- gzip compression for faster data transfers
- easy to use admin interface
- enter up to 99 feeds and update your board's accuracy with one click
- enter a custom comment for imported kills ("post your losses ffs")
- full support for page caching (if enabled in the killboards config)
- exclude specific feeds from fetching
- many feeds are available already and the mod is included by default in all new versions of the eve-dev.net version of the killboard
- somebody even setup a dedicated master-feed-server whose only purpose is to collect, share and supply kill data to other killboards! (http://www.eve-kill.net/?a=feed)
- the mod comes in two flavors, one standalone-version which you just put in your killboards dir and link it to the admin interface and one mod-version which uses the newer modding system of the eve-dev.net killboards, both included in the .zip
i succsessfully imported about 34.000 killmails in aprox. 15 minutes (!!) from the [D2] board to my testing server. speed was about 20-35 killmails per second but your results may vary.
i included a readme.txt with infos regarding installation (dump the files in the killboard's dir. *uh uh*) and some notes regarding the fetching etc.
Download Link: http://tomx.org/mod_feed.zip
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liquidism
Asgard Schiffswerften
Dusk and Dawn
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Posted - 2006.12.13 18:34:00 -
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Edited by: liquidism on 13/12/2006 18:56:11
list of (some) already known feeds to enter in your admin interface
# http://killboard.eve-d2.com/?a=feed (Dusk and Dawn)
# http://www.civis-killboard.net/?a=feed (Ascendant Frontier)
# http://killboard.black-omega.co.uk/?a=feed (Black Omega Security)
# http://ipod.nsbit.dk/killboard/?a=feed (iPod Alliance)
# http://kenny.mafia.org.nz/killboard/?a=feed (Imperium Alliance)
# http://www.eve-guru.com/kb/?a=feed (Prime Orbital Systems)
# http://www.anzacalliance.net/killboard/?a=feed (Anzac Alliance)
# http://pewpew.info/?a=feed (Anarchy Empire)
# http://www.piratecoalition.com/killboard/?a=feed (Pirate Coalition)
# http://www.eve-ldk.com/kb/?a=feed (LDK Corp)
# http://kb.metaforge.co.uk/?a=feed (Metaforge Corp)
# http://killboard.outbreak-eve.com/?a=feed (Outbreak)
# http://www.n-wede.com/killboard/?a=feed (Serial Chill3rz)
# http://warfaregaming.com/killboard/?a=feed (Fist of the Goat)
# http://kennel.smith-net.org.uk/?a=feed (The Kennels)
# http://www.killboard.shakharncorp.org.uk/?a=feed (Sha Kharn Corp)
# http://killb.thecursednavy.com/?a=feed (The cursed Navy)
# http://www.eve-kill.net/?a=feed (a dedicated master server)
if you include the mod feel free to post your feed url here too 
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Shigsy
Caldari
Four Horsemen
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Posted - 2006.12.13 20:34:00 -
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wow seems like a handy tool.
GJ!
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Coasterbrian
Celestial Fleet
Ascendant Frontier
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Posted - 2006.12.13 20:44:00 -
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I absolutely love it, my only hope is that people don't abuse it and post fake kills that get crossposted all over the place. 
Of course, if one board keeps getting fake mails, then I suppose the feed could just be removed.
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Jasmine Dupre
Sha Kharn Corp
Ascendant Frontier
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Posted - 2006.12.13 21:08:00 -
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Well done!!
I love the Eve community they put in the effort to make this game better everyday.
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Chienka
The Nine Gates
Executive Outcomes
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Posted - 2006.12.13 21:26:00 -
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Great Idea, I fully approve!
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w0rmy
Intensive CareBearz
Imperium Alliance
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Posted - 2006.12.13 21:52:00 -
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Its a great little tool, I know I appreciate your work on it!
 Originally by: Avon
Originally by: Dark Shikari
What single item is larger than a jetcan?
My ego?
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Dawson
Caldari
British Space Corporation
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Posted - 2006.12.13 21:54:00 -
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great job!
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Joshua Foiritain
Gallente
Coreli Corporation
Corelum Syndicate
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Posted - 2006.12.13 21:55:00 -
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Originally by: Coasterbrian
I absolutely love it, my only hope is that people don't abuse it and post fake kills that get crossposted all over the place.
Of course, if one board keeps getting fake mails, then I suppose the feed could just be removed.
I'm pretty sure it wont be long. Once its into the system it would prolly be very hard to get rid of it. All it has to do is stay on a single board and bam it just spreads.
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Kaeten
Hybrid Syndicate
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Posted - 2006.12.13 22:29:00 -
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Originally by: Jasmine Dupre
Well done!!
I love the Eve community they put in the effort to make this game better everyday.
Exactly.
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Syox
Solidline Enterprise
Kith of Venal
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Posted - 2006.12.13 23:56:00 -
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2 more:
http://solid.vfr-villan.co.uk/?a=feed
http://www.kith-of-venal.com/?a=feed
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Marko Debreault
0utbreak
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Posted - 2006.12.14 04:01:00 -
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I applaud the initiative.
Perhaps a mod should be introduced where killmails are flagged as fake and not counted for stats or displayed, but remain in the database. That way when the feed grabs them and tries to transfer them it sees they already exist and you get the equivalent of the 'that killmail is already posted here,' message.
Anyways, I tink this is very cool.
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Marie Sklodowska
Sharks With Frickin' Laser Beams
Mercenary Coalition
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Posted - 2006.12.14 04:44:00 -
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how about adding an option that can "verify" a kill if it finds the same kill mail posted on a seperate board..
This will minimize the amount of fake killmails, but won't actually solve them..
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Lubricity
Solidline Enterprise
Kith of Venal
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Posted - 2006.12.14 06:26:00 -
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Add in an option to nuke killmails from the source board and this will be the most important edition to killboards since the invention of the killboard itself.
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Adril Alatar
Minmatar
No Quarter.
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Posted - 2006.12.14 07:21:00 -
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NoQuarter Killboard:
http://storietime.com/evekills/?a=feed
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Mindlles
0utbreak
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Posted - 2006.12.14 07:57:00 -
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Agree what my boss said. GJ liquidism!!!
But also, if players are not posting losses, what are stopping them to make fake killmails :/. Some thing to beable to prevent that to some degree would be great!
But never the less, Great job!
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Audrea
Momentum.
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Posted - 2006.12.14 08:31:00 -
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Originally by: Mindlles
Agree what my boss said. GJ liquidism!!!
But also, if players are not posting losses, what are stopping them to make fake killmails :/. Some thing to beable to prevent that to some degree would be great!
But never the less, Great job!
I havent used rig0r's kb myself yet, but if its anything like griefwatch - then adding kills is controlled by password, not indvidual user accounts, hence it wouldnt be possible to for the admin to find out whether its the killer who fakes the mail, or someone impersonating him in order to make it look bad for him.
Does that make sense? as I said I havent used it yet, so dont know how exactly it works...
Its great being a Gallente blasterpilot, aint it?
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FireFoxx80
Caldari
E X O D U S
Imperial Republic Of the North
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Posted - 2006.12.14 09:45:00 -
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Edited by: FireFoxx80 on 14/12/2006 09:54:27
Edited by: FireFoxx80 on 14/12/2006 09:48:09
Looks very spiffeh, I applaud you.
As for poisoned/fake killmails. Could there be a way of double-blind'ing them? Eg if a killmail with 99% similar details exists, then flag it?
Ths is something that plagues all killboards though, whether they are networked or not.
I just hope this one doesn't become self aware.
Edit: Liquid, do you mind if people use this data to their own means? It'd be pretty funky to code some sort of out-of-game map showing kills in last 24 hours. Of course, I guess people should be kind and not hammer other's killboards more than once per hour.
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rig0r
Arcane Industries
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Posted - 2006.12.14 10:03:00 -
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Good job 
Creator of eve-killboard.net. Get the killboard here.
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liquidism
Asgard Schiffswerften
Dusk and Dawn
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Posted - 2006.12.14 11:49:00 -
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Originally by: Lubricity
Add in an option to nuke killmails from the source board and this will be the most important edition to killboards since the invention of the killboard itself.
this is by no means possible because it would expose YOUR killboard to the risk of having kills deleted remotely - by everyone.
to all you guys worrying about fake killmails poisoning the system:
yeah well there is the possibility this can happen but i still believe in common sense and especially the goodwill of the eve community (maybe a bit naive tho but im ok with it).
afterall i think its not necessary for every killboard to link every other killboard.
just add the feeds of your most common friends and enemies. so you for sure get
a. -> all kills where one of your players is involved but a friendly fellow got the killmail and forgot to spread it
b. -> all losses from a common foe where your people forgot to post the lossmails.
right now its for the admin to decide which killboards/streams to trust and which not.
so in the case of [D2] i think i can trust the outbreak killfeed for example as those guys dont need to fake mails for their stats to look good. and im also pretty damn sure most major alliances are very trustworthy too and dont need to fake their killmails ;)
also the feed only outputs relevant kills to the requesting board and your killboard only adds the kills that are of relevance to your corp/alliance (aka. your pilots are involved) so if there is a fake killmail in board A where they faked a kill of party B your board C doesnt care at all as it not even gets the mail supplied.
afterall, i would still recommend you to go through all parsed mails and review them by hand, delete them if you think they are fake and tell us in this thread if a feed supplied fake mails more than once.
i will torture my brain tho and see if it comes up with a way to validate kills across multiple boards but bear with it 
cheers
//liq
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Splagada
Minmatar
Tides of Silence
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Posted - 2006.12.14 11:51:00 -
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Edited by: Splagada on 14/12/2006 11:50:53
if the two parts of a killmail have a killboard, and both validate the evemail, then it's legit?
or else it stays as unvalidated
would that be a way?
would also push more ppl to add theirs
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Gray Carmicheal
Wings of Redemption
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Posted - 2006.12.14 12:06:00 -
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killboard.mrkv.net
This one is admined by Kerc Kasha, I'm just one of the other ops (and MRKV corp founder).
Dunno what the coding is, but feel free to fetch mails from us. I <3 accuracy.
Ranis by Trey Azagthoth
Cortes has haxed my sig. :(
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foxden
Russian Specnaz
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Posted - 2006.12.14 15:19:00 -
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Edited by: foxden on 14/12/2006 15:20:14
Edited by: foxden on 14/12/2006 15:19:17
Lotka Volterra to check the losses which they not post in 90 % cases.
http://eve.openchat.ru/kill/index.php?a=rss
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Hans Roaming
Body Count Inc.
Mercenary Coalition
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Posted - 2006.12.14 15:26:00 -
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Awesome result, you have done a fantastic job and foxden this wasn't the place for smack.
With regards to fake mails then name and shame really is going to be the answer.
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liquidism
Asgard Schiffswerften
Dusk and Dawn
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Posted - 2006.12.14 15:29:00 -
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Originally by: foxden
Lotka Volterra to check the losses which they not post in 90 % cases.
http://eve.openchat.ru/kill/index.php?a=rss
that is NOT a killfeed, its a standard RSS stream (for rss readers, google startpages etc.)
killboards with the feed_mod have links ending in /?a=feed
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Hans Roaming
Body Count Inc.
Mercenary Coalition
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Posted - 2006.12.14 15:36:00 -
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Mods, this should be made a sticky please.
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FireFoxx80
Caldari
E X O D U S
Imperial Republic Of the North
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Posted - 2006.12.14 15:53:00 -
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Originally by: liquidism
Originally by: foxden
Lotka Volterra to check the losses which they not post in 90 % cases.
http://eve.openchat.ru/kill/index.php?a=rss
that is NOT a killfeed, its a standard RSS stream (for rss readers, google startpages etc.)
killboards with the feed_mod have links ending in /?a=feed
I thought corp's werent allowed to reflect RL things?
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Crucifier
The Collective
Against ALL Authorities
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Posted - 2006.12.14 16:31:00 -
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Some1 has probably sayd it but i cba to read. What about faked killmails
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Man1ac
Xenobytes
Against ALL Authorities
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Posted - 2006.12.14 20:38:00 -
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Originally by: FireFoxx80
As for poisoned/fake killmails. Could there be a way of double-blind'ing them? Eg if a killmail with 99% similar details exists, then flag it?
Ths is something that plagues all killboards though, whether they are networked or not.
How about to follow a good RL rule? "All kills are unconfirmed, unless opposite side confirms them".
Great tool btw!
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TylerJames
Team Americas
Anarchy Empire
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Posted - 2006.12.14 21:54:00 -
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# http://familyties.frih.net/eve-killboard/index.php?a=feed (Team Americas)
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