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Webvan All Kill No Skill 13813	Posted - 2015.09.06 08:57:56 - [31] - Quote Verstal wrote: They just dont have the time to do that much dont have it. They all have very large RL commitments fathers, mothers, etc and have about 2 hours at night at most to play something, so they can play maybe 4 HS games 2 LoL or DOTA2 games, or jump on to Eve and try to remember where all the buttons are before coming back 2 days later to try to learn where all the buttons are. All those f2p's, when you play for free and not spend a dime, or very little, you take the long way around. You spend way more time trying to keep up with someone that pays a lot. That's how they make their money, and there is always someone willing to spend a lot of money that you just can't keep up with. Some of them are outright scams in fact, using tricks to cheat players. So that makes no sense. They have limited time but play games that stick them at the slowest pace, to torture them into spending money. Big reason I stay away from those games. And even if I spend money, I'll always get stuck with other players in my group that didn't pay a dime, so I suffer because of them, or I need to spend even more money to pick up the slack for them. If EVE ever went f2p, I'd be outa here, no joke, and so would many/most here. They may pick up 100000 f2p instant players, but will spend little to nothing and then leave in months for some other f2p game that catches their eye. So if your friends demand free (do you even know them irl?) and just won't undock and try EVE for real, don't worry about it, it's just not a game for them. I'm in it for the money Ctrl+Alt+Shift+F12
Verstal Incredibuilders United 9	Posted - 2015.09.06 08:58:37 - [32] - Quote Tippia wrote: Verstal wrote: CCP makes no money off these people at this point never will. Funnily enough, CCP makes more money off the people who play GÇ£for freeGÇ¥ than from those that subscribeGÇª That's funny I haven't given them any money in 6 or 7 years. Not a dime, and nobody I know does. We get all this stuff for free and can use it to buy new stuff for free, the hardest thing for these people to do is keep interested in the game long enough for something new to appear so we can get for free, and its been like this for 10 years. The biggest fear of veteran players is that the free content train will end. I have no fear, but I am radical.
Tippia Sunshine and Lollipops 25942	Posted - 2015.09.06 09:00:22 - [33] - Quote Verstal wrote: That's funny I haven't given them any money in 6 or 7 years. GÇªand yet they've made more money off of you than if you had. Quote: I have no fear, but I am radical. No, just ignorant of how the system works. GÇ£If you're not willing to fight for what you have in GëívGëí you don't deserve it, and you will lose it.GÇ¥ Get a good start: Newbie skillplan 2.2.
Verstal Incredibuilders United 9	Posted - 2015.09.06 09:05:54 - [34] - Quote Tippia wrote: Verstal wrote: That's funny I haven't given them any money in 6 or 7 years. GÇªand yet they've made more money off of you than if you had. Quote: I have no fear, but I am radical. No, just ignorant of how the system works. They sold my chat logs to the FBI? If i dont give them money how are they making money off me. You could say that because I play the game and have influence over others that might pay to play the game that I am helping CCP making money. Is that what you are saying? If not please enlighten me.
Tippia Sunshine and Lollipops 25942	Posted - 2015.09.06 09:08:32 - [35] - Quote Verstal wrote: If i dont give them money how are they making money off me. Through your reliance on the most expensive method, by far, to maintain your subscription. GÇ£If you're not willing to fight for what you have in GëívGëí you don't deserve it, and you will lose it.GÇ¥ Get a good start: Newbie skillplan 2.2.
Webvan All Kill No Skill 13813	Posted - 2015.09.06 09:13:32 - [36] - Quote Verstal wrote: CCP makes no money off these people at this point never will. They do, and quite a bit of money. PLEX isn't just game time, it's a service, you can use them on things other than game time. Every one of those PLEX are paid for by someone, so it's not really f2p of any sort, no one plays for "free". PLEX even costs more than a regular subscription, CCP makes more money off of them than they do me with my sub... when I'm not buying AUR for MCT's, space barbie clothes, sculpts or skins, anyway I'm in it for the money Ctrl+Alt+Shift+F12
Verstal Incredibuilders United 9	Posted - 2015.09.06 09:19:26 - [37] - Quote Tippia wrote: Verstal wrote: If i dont give them money how are they making money off me. Through your reliance on the most expensive method, by far, to maintain your subscription. But if your definition of wining Eve is to play for free, able to buy anything you want and being entertained while do it then you are getting the entertainment for free, fun for free, and the game for free. You have made 28k posts on the forums so I assume you are from CCP? You must have had internal discussions about Free to Play models and the direction the content is going seems to be bridge in that direction with vanity ship skins, and other vanity items. What can we do to help CCP survive this transition?
Webvan All Kill No Skill 13813	Posted - 2015.09.06 09:23:11 - [38] - Quote Verstal wrote: Tippia wrote: Verstal wrote: That's funny I haven't given them any money in 6 or 7 years. GÇªand yet they've made more money off of you than if you had. Quote: I have no fear, but I am radical. No, just ignorant of how the system works. They sold my chat logs to the FBI? If i dont give them money how are they making money off me. You could say that because I play the game and have influence over others that might pay to play the game that I am helping CCP make money. Is that what you are saying? If not please enlighten me. What is money? You provide labor and receive a form of currency in exchange, well in the form of a token in this case really. So when you turn in your PLEX after grinding endlessly every month, you are just turning in a token that was already paid for with legal tender by someone else. Products, services, time, money to an exchange. Yes, I'm sure my capitalism is just bleeding through hah. I'm in it for the money Ctrl+Alt+Shift+F12
Tippia Sunshine and Lollipops 25942	Posted - 2015.09.06 09:24:51 - [39] - Quote Verstal wrote: But if your definition of wining Eve is to play for free But nothing. They're still making money off of you. Quote: You must have had internal discussions about Free to Play models and the direction the content is going seems to be bridge in that direction with vanity ship skins, and other vanity items. They have. It was dismissed as the last measure right before the game is shut down since the game doesn't support it. Quote: What can we do to help CCP survive this transition? Mass-quit so they game is on the brink of being shut down and scamming a last wad of cash out of some fools is the last thing left to do. It might help CCP survive, but it obviously won't help EVE since it's being shut down. GÇ£If you're not willing to fight for what you have in GëívGëí you don't deserve it, and you will lose it.GÇ¥ Get a good start: Newbie skillplan 2.2.
Liafcipe9000 Brutor Tribe Minmatar Republic 36619	Posted - 2015.09.06 09:48:21 - [40] - Quote Verstal wrote: Do you understand that I am talking about players that play mostly Heartstone, Wow, League and DOTA2 and they are high elo in all these games, high meaning top 5% of all players in the USA or EU? And that have spent 1000's of dollars on two or three of these games. People that go to gaming bars to watch people play during big events. Do you understand that what you say is completely irrelevant and stupid? seriously now, ISD - please lock this thread, it is obsolete and brings no valuable discussion. I am a cat.

Val'Dore PlanetCorp InterStellar 1008	Posted - 2015.09.06 10:09:43 - [41] - Quote I have long thought the trial should be unlimited duration f2p, it is plenty restrictive. But once you upgrade to a sub, that's it. No more f2p on that account. Star Jump Drive A new way to traverse the galaxy. I invented Tiericide
Snagletooth Johnson Snagle Material Services CAStabouts 291	Posted - 2015.09.06 10:13:34 - [42] - Quote Omar Alharazaad wrote: In order for the game to survive as 'free to play', it will become 'pay to win'. Which will kill it. Goons already won Eve. so there's no win to pay for
Webvan All Kill No Skill 13814	Posted - 2015.09.06 10:33:40 - [43] - Quote Val'Dore wrote: I have long thought the trial should be unlimited duration f2p, it is plenty restrictive. But once you upgrade to a sub, that's it. No more f2p on that account. Multiboxers online. I could run a bunch of clients from my computers, and so would everyone else. And before you say IP restrictions, no thats simple to get around. EVE would just suck, and for what? CCP would need to shuffle people around just to manage tech support which will suffer greatly. Just so some bored f2p kids can cause trouble? Nnnnnope. A month is plenty, and if it's not they can try again. I'm in it for the money Ctrl+Alt+Shift+F12
Liafcipe9000 Brutor Tribe Minmatar Republic 36620	Posted - 2015.09.06 10:39:50 - [44] - Quote Webvan wrote: CCP would need to shuffle people around just to manage tech support which will suffer greatly. EVE's customer support already suffers greatly. mostly due to some GMs not doing their job properly. I am a cat.
Webvan All Kill No Skill 13814	Posted - 2015.09.06 10:59:44 - [45] - Quote Liafcipe9000 wrote: Webvan wrote: CCP would need to shuffle people around just to manage tech support which will suffer greatly. EVE's customer support already suffers greatly. mostly due to some GMs not doing their job properly. Maybe so, but think of it x10. I had a sub to a game that went f2p. Before, it was about a 20m wait. After, it became 2hrs+ CCP cant drop support to potential players that might one day maybe start a sub, so there goes staffing into support rather than on othert hings like development funding. I'm in it for the money Ctrl+Alt+Shift+F12
Avvy Republic University Minmatar Republic 172	Posted - 2015.09.06 11:04:46 - [46] - Quote Chainsaw Plankton wrote: I'm trying to imagine what would happen to the community.... so many ways it could go. Would be cool to see a ton of people in space though. There are quite a few that will only play F2P or B2P. a lot of the F2P crowd will likely be kids. Although as the game is I doubt many of those will stay anyway.
Liafcipe9000 Brutor Tribe Minmatar Republic 36624	Posted - 2015.09.06 11:12:45 - [47] - Quote Webvan wrote: Liafcipe9000 wrote: Webvan wrote: CCP would need to shuffle people around just to manage tech support which will suffer greatly. EVE's customer support already suffers greatly. mostly due to some GMs not doing their job properly. Maybe so, but think of it x10. I had a sub to a game that went f2p. Before, it was about a 20m wait. After, it became 2hrs+ CCP cant drop support to potential players that might one day maybe start a sub, so there goes staffing into support rather than on othert hings like development funding. good point. I am a cat.
Tiberius Heth Say No to Features 92	Posted - 2015.09.06 11:34:59 - [48] - Quote Name one F2P game that isn't completely moronic due to p2W and/or an influx of hilarious shitclowns and full of 12 yearolds.
Avvy Republic University Minmatar Republic 172	Posted - 2015.09.06 11:39:43 - [49] - Quote I don't think you should cater for free to play players anyway. If I play a F2P game, it's because of the game not because it F2P. Same goes for B2P games. Why do people ask for games to be F2P, because they don't want to spend any money on it, which means they're unlikely to spend anything in the in-game shop which F2P games rely on.
Val'Dore PlanetCorp InterStellar 1008	Posted - 2015.09.06 11:40:11 - [50] - Quote Webvan wrote: Val'Dore wrote: I have long thought the trial should be unlimited duration f2p, it is plenty restrictive. But once you upgrade to a sub, that's it. No more f2p on that account. Multiboxers online. I could run a bunch of clients from my computers, and so would everyone else. And before you say IP restrictions, no thats simple to get around. EVE would just suck, and for what? CCP would need to shuffle people around just to manage tech support which will suffer greatly. Just so some bored f2p kids can cause trouble? Nnnnnope. A month is plenty, and if it's not they can try again. The people who will multibox already multibox. Star Jump Drive A new way to traverse the galaxy. I invented Tiericide

WhyTry1 Ministry of War Amarr Empire 93	Posted - 2015.09.06 11:46:13 - [51] - Quote usually free to play means more expensive to play because you end up.paying for lots of items. tbh no one will be playing soon anyway
Tippia Sunshine and Lollipops 25952	Posted - 2015.09.06 11:59:32 - [52] - Quote Val'Dore wrote: The people who will multibox already multibox. I would multibox if I didn't have to pay to keep the extra accounts active. Tiberius Heth wrote: Name one F2P game that isn't completely moronic due to p2W and/or an influx of hilarious shitclowns and full of 12 yearolds. WeellGÇª There's Cookie Clicker GÇö it's completely moronic due to radically different reasons. GÇ£If you're not willing to fight for what you have in GëívGëí you don't deserve it, and you will lose it.GÇ¥ Get a good start: Newbie skillplan 2.2.
Kiandoshia Applied Anarchy SpaceMonkey's Alliance 2366	Posted - 2015.09.06 12:08:20 - [53] - Quote Liafcipe9000 wrote: Kiandoshia wrote: Eve is free to play. Am I doing it right? considering all options of isk income, you are in fact doing it right. Oh I was refering to the narrow mindedness of the idea.
Kiandoshia Applied Anarchy SpaceMonkey's Alliance 2366	Posted - 2015.09.06 12:14:08 - [54] - Quote Verstal wrote: CCP makes no money off these people at this point never will. It's amazing how often people seem to think that selling PLEX doesn't make CCP any money. A PLEX is game time. 30 days of it. For a PLEX to exist, someone has had to pay real money to CCP. A PLEX only shows up when somebody pays CCP. They don't get magically created when someone decides to dump ISK into them and buying them does not remove ISK from the game either. -E- Actually it does remove ISK from the game but so does every market transaction.
Bumblefck Kerensky Initiatives 8431	Posted - 2015.09.06 12:20:00 - [55] - Quote Your friends don't sound particularly sophisticated, even if they are "great gamers". I'd suggest getting new ones. [b]---- CONCORD arrested two n00bs yesterday, one was drinking battery acid, the other was eating fireworks. They charged one and let the other one off.[/b]
Liafcipe9000 Brutor Tribe Minmatar Republic 36639	Posted - 2015.09.06 13:05:09 - [56] - Quote Kiandoshia wrote: Verstal wrote: CCP makes no money off these people at this point never will. It's amazing how often people seem to think that selling PLEX doesn't make CCP any money. A PLEX is game time. 30 days of it. For a PLEX to exist, someone has had to pay real money to CCP. A PLEX only shows up when somebody pays CCP. They don't get magically created when someone decides to dump ISK into them and buying them does not remove ISK from the game either. -E- Actually it does remove ISK from the game but so does every market transaction. actually, most of the ISK goes to a player while a small bit of it goes to a black hole known as broker or whatever. I am a cat.
Liafcipe9000 Brutor Tribe Minmatar Republic 36639	Posted - 2015.09.06 13:06:44 - [57] - Quote Tiberius Heth wrote: Name one F2P game that isn't completely moronic due to p2W and/or an influx of hilarious shitclowns and full of 12 yearolds. Warframe. I've so far only seen one thread on the subreddit(granted I don't browse the forums because :effort:) complaining about the lack of toxic, 12-year-old childish behaviour. And premium currency can be obtained with effort rather than RL ISK. I am a cat.
Hir Miriel Elves In Space 226	Posted - 2015.09.06 13:23:46 - [58] - Quote EVE should have a space fight simulator at NPC stations which lets player just do fights. Effectively be a virtual battleground in a virtual space environment. It's how these MOBA started, they were battlegrounds within other games. And it shows what players really want, balanced PvP, in a structured environment. Like LoL etc. EVE could do it by having them as training simulators for pilots, plus it would let players try out different ships without losing them. More importantly though it would let new players hop right into fighting in space without needing skills or a big pile of ISK. And perhaps it might stop people asking for making EVE free to play, which from my experience, turns games into crap. ~ ~~ Thinking inside Schrodinger's sandbox. ~~ ~
Tiberius Heth Say No to Features 92	Posted - 2015.09.06 13:30:35 - [59] - Quote Hir Miriel wrote: EVE should have a space fight simulator at NPC stations which lets player just do fights. Effectively be a virtual battleground in a virtual space environment. It's how these MOBA started, they were battlegrounds within other games. And it shows what players really want, balanced PvP, in a structured environment. Like LoL etc. EVE could do it by having them as training simulators for pilots, plus it would let players try out different ships without losing them. More importantly though it would let new players hop right into fighting in space without needing skills or a big pile of ISK. And perhaps it might stop people asking for making EVE free to play, which from my experience, turns games into crap. No, no instancing, no fake fights, no zero cost/non-risk combat.
Jonah Gravenstein Machiavellian Space Bastards 25000	Posted - 2015.09.06 14:05:26 - [60] - Quote Hir Miriel wrote: EVE should have a space fight simulator at NPC stations which lets player just do fights. Effectively be a virtual battleground in a virtual space environment. It's how these MOBA started, they were battlegrounds within other games. RvB would like a word, they've been doing essentially this for years, without having to use a separate environment. The whole point of the sandbox is that if you want something such as you suggest, then it is up to you to make it happen, preferably without asking the devs to do it for you. Quote: And it shows what players really want, balanced PvP, in a structured environment. Like LoL etc. EVE could do it by having them as training simulators for pilots, plus it would let players try out different ships without losing them. If that's what people want, why are they playing Eve? What you're suggesting is no risk, no loss PvP, something that is diametrically opposed to the whole ethos and premise of Eve. There are numerous games that offer that type of gameplay, this is not one of them, nor should it be. Quote: More importantly though it would let new players hop right into fighting in space without needing skills or a big pile of ISK. SP and isk aren't the primary barrier that newbies face; a few hours training gives a newbie combat effectiveness in terms of what modules they can use, the career agents hand out enough isk to fund several frigates and destroyers to destroy in the pursuit of knowledge. Their primary barrier is lack of knowledge about the game and its mechanics, that comes with experience and by learning from others, Eve is very much a social game in that respect. Quote: And perhaps it might stop people asking for making EVE free to play, which from my experience, turns games into crap. Agreed F2P does turn games into crap, I don't think you'll find many dissenters tbh. Civilized behaviour is knowing that violence is barbaric, but paying other people to do it is business. Nil mortifi sine lucre.



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