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SirMolle Evolution Band of Brothers	Posted - 2006.12.17 18:22:00 - [1] Paragon Soul has fallen, C9N is about to fall, RIT is emo-infested, AZN looks nice for christmas. The clock is about to chime for the last time. ASCN corporations, for those of you who wish to leave in peace, and move your assets out, you have 72 hours from this post to arrange it, and you will never be offered this again. With the death of Steve, and the evacuation of your leader, there's nothing more to hope for. Leave in peace, with your head helds high, and with something left, or, dont leave at all, with nothing left. Some may be refused this offer. Most will not. Your call. 72 hours are starting. Tick Tock.
Drake Mezcal eXceed Inc. Ascendant Frontier	Posted - 2006.12.17 18:23:00 - [2] Edited by: Drake Mezcal on 17/12/2006 18:31:21 No thanks, we'll wait for the 11th final warning Goddammit, im never gonna be able to join BoB with all the sarcastic comments im making.
BoinKlasik Senkei Jin	Posted - 2006.12.17 18:24:00 - [3] Edited by: BoinKlasik on 17/12/2006 18:24:21 can we have a movie "how to take AZN in 5 days w/ sov rules" (not flame, just being silly) also: reserved, because that seems to be the cool thing. doh, I broke my edited sig :/ cries this signature was lacking pink, I'll provide it for you. There. Looks better doesn't it? -Eris Fixed it for you. Oh, btw, yarr! ~kieron Didn't I tell you? The damsel moved in with me, we're having a great time. - Wrangler The damsel may not be distressed any more, but how many times does the informant have to be silenced before he gets the message? - Cortes
budman905 Euphoria Released Euphoria Unleashed	Posted - 2006.12.17 18:24:00 - [4] Reserved =============================================== "Thank you for using the S.A.S Clone jump service, Have a nice day" =============================================== http://www.pwned.nl/
Darkstar BP Caldari eXceed Inc. Ascendant Frontier	Posted - 2006.12.17 18:26:00 - [5] Yes, new ultimatums, we love them. Reserved
Bishop D'Rohan Salvation Army Inc.	Posted - 2006.12.17 18:27:00 - [6] Edited by: Bishop D''Rohan on 17/12/2006 18:28:41 Reserved Beside this being a re run of last week¦s propaganda, which was a re run of last week propaganda, which was.....
Turkantho Asgard Schiffswerften Dusk and Dawn	Posted - 2006.12.17 18:27:00 - [7] sunday and it's time for another BoB thread... and this is the 2nd or 3rd ultimatum to ASCN corp to leave ? ________ been there, done that, got the t-shirt
Phoenus Caldari Body Count Inc. Mercenary Coalition	Posted - 2006.12.17 18:27:00 - [8] Give me back my Farjung, Molle! Looks like you guys are having a whale of a time from the killboards, keep it up :) [ 2006.08.16 20:49:06 ] (combat) Your Electron Blaster Cannon II barely scratches Dominix [NTEMS]<HELLH>(Dominix), causing 1908.4 damage.
Darkstar BP Caldari eXceed Inc. Ascendant Frontier	Posted - 2006.12.17 18:28:00 - [9] Originally by: SirMolle Some may be refused this offer. Most will not. Some of us are not allowed to leave???? Oh no Reserved
Kyguard Fire Mandrill Astrophobics	Posted - 2006.12.17 18:28:00 - [10] This is the final swing, yet it's tightening the screw on ASCN tighter too -
Darkstar BP Caldari eXceed Inc. Ascendant Frontier	Posted - 2006.12.17 18:29:00 - [11] Originally by: SirMolle Leave in peace, with your head helds high, and with something left, or, dont leave at all, with nothing left. Some may be refused this offer. Most will not. Please tell us, who will you refuse this offer to leave? Reserved again
Thor Xian Vertigo One E.A.R.T.H. Federation	Posted - 2006.12.17 18:32:00 - [12] AZN should be renamed, Eviction Served. ~Thor Xian, Material Defender "For all your Material Needs, Vertigo One." Corp/Alliance Services
Chip2k3 Eye of God Axiom Empire	Posted - 2006.12.17 18:34:00 - [13] OMG 1ST PAGE!!11111 Originally by: Conuion Meow Sig nerfz0rd. Remember kids, it's 400x120 and less than 24,000 bytes (not kbytes)
Darkstar BP Caldari eXceed Inc. Ascendant Frontier	Posted - 2006.12.17 18:35:00 - [14] Originally by: SirMolle The clock is about to chime for the last time. But but, could this then be the last Sunday Night Forum Wheuring Post? Oh no, we will miss them
RogueWing Vanguard Frontiers Ascendant Frontier	Posted - 2006.12.17 18:36:00 - [15] SWEET! I'm in a SirTrolle thread!! Only in ASCN would someone consider the solution to being short an office to be "Drop another Outpost"
Tholarim Amarr Destructive Influence Band of Brothers	Posted - 2006.12.17 18:36:00 - [16] Originally by: Darkstar BP Originally by: SirMolle Leave in peace, with your head helds high, and with something left, or, dont leave at all, with nothing left. Some may be refused this offer. Most will not. Please tell us, who will you refuse this offer to leave? Reserved again eXceed inc. is hereby excluded from this offer. thnx for your time.
Rod Blaine Evolution Band of Brothers	Posted - 2006.12.17 18:37:00 - [17] Wow Darkstar ... And I thought I was a spammer No eed for reservations btw, there's allways room for all in Mollethreads. Old blog
Drake Mezcal eXceed Inc. Ascendant Frontier	Posted - 2006.12.17 18:37:00 - [18] Edited by: Drake Mezcal on 17/12/2006 18:37:57 Originally by: Tholarim Originally by: Darkstar BP Originally by: SirMolle Leave in peace, with your head helds high, and with something left, or, dont leave at all, with nothing left. Some may be refused this offer. Most will not. Please tell us, who will you refuse this offer to leave? Reserved again Oh great! Well done Darkstar
Hermia Aliastra	Posted - 2006.12.17 18:38:00 - [19] I was expecting this war to last well into the new year with declarations of support from other alliances. The help never came and became all to swift.
Darkstar BP Caldari eXceed Inc. Ascendant Frontier	Posted - 2006.12.17 18:38:00 - [20] Edited by: Darkstar BP on 17/12/2006 18:39:42 I just asked a question about who gets included and excluded from the 'generous' offer? Was I not deferential enough? Should I have begged?
Sergio Ling Standard Operations Building Services Maelstrom Alliance	Posted - 2006.12.17 18:38:00 - [21] i'm excited
HankMurphy Pelennor Swarm Eternal Rangers of Terror	Posted - 2006.12.17 18:40:00 - [22] can we just get a emoticon of a smiley face spraying diarrhea. would make replying to these rediculous bob threads alot easier "look at me, look at me \o/" -bob
Lunas Feelgood Euphoria Released	Posted - 2006.12.17 18:40:00 - [23] I got a few alts are they alloved to leave in peace?
Razor Jaxx Fate.	Posted - 2006.12.17 18:42:00 - [24] Originally by: SirMolle Tick Tock. Eddz should sue you for copyright infrigement. Fate kills
Smith Caldari Destructive Influence Band of Brothers	Posted - 2006.12.17 18:42:00 - [25] Its a good offer. Take it. STK already has. They shifted all there assets out weeks ago.
Snatchz LOOKERS	Posted - 2006.12.17 18:43:00 - [26] LOL @ Darkstar BP and the rest of eXceed....you guys alone will make this another 15 page thread! I guess BoB must really be hitting home if you feel the need to spam that much? "It aint easy being green" - Kermit the Frog
Bizarre TAOSP	Posted - 2006.12.17 18:44:00 - [27] Exceed Inc. will start toning down once their stations around RIT start falling. It's only a matter of time. As for Turkantho, how about you get off the NAPing spree and stop selling us rite air? Back in the days you were a worthy adversary, now you are not even allowed to live in our shadow. --------------------
Drake Mezcal eXceed Inc. Ascendant Frontier	Posted - 2006.12.17 18:45:00 - [28] Originally by: Snatchz LOL @ Darkstar BP and the rest of eXceed....you guys alone will make this another 15 page thread! I guess BoB must really be hitting home if you feel the need to spam that much? Yeah i agree, ZOMG 2 MEMBERS OF EXCEED COMMENTED!!!
babycow Amarr Obliteration Unlimited R i s e	Posted - 2006.12.17 18:47:00 - [29] Molly do u have an macro for these offers?
Hellraiza666 Reikoku Band of Brothers	Posted - 2006.12.17 18:49:00 - [30] meh, ASCN will have fell and left space before i get comp fixed
Darkstar BP Caldari eXceed Inc. Ascendant Frontier	Posted - 2006.12.17 18:49:00 - [31] Edited by: Darkstar BP on 17/12/2006 18:49:55 Originally by: Drake Mezcal Originally by: Snatchz LOL @ Darkstar BP and the rest of eXceed....you guys alone will make this another 15 page thread! I guess BoB must really be hitting home if you feel the need to spam that much? Yeah i agree, ZOMG 2 MEMBERS OF EXCEED COMMENTED!!! Well Drake, I admit I could have been a bit more succinct, especially given the importance of the OP. There are also definitely a lot of BoB members who want to add their quality remarks, and now have to make do with the lower regions of this thread.
Player One Minmatar Die wilde 13	Posted - 2006.12.17 19:03:00 - [32] Originally by: Bizarre [...] As for Turkantho, how about you get off the NAPing spree and stop selling us rite air? Back in the days you were a worthy adversary, now you are not even allowed to live in our shadow. hadn't you everything and his mother naped in the south, in east and only HE knows who else? Only some month ago? pre "the gift"
Turkantho Asgard Schiffswerften Dusk and Dawn	Posted - 2006.12.17 19:08:00 - [33] Edited by: Turkantho on 17/12/2006 19:08:35 uuh I tremble in fear bizarre forums gotta love em ________ been there, done that, got the t-shirt
Shigsy Caldari Four Horsemen	Posted - 2006.12.17 19:13:00 - [34] Woo another Sunday bob thread... Should be like my sunday newspaper... I can read it and I wont be finished till next week PS, kill some well setup Drakes so i can steal their setups
Major Stormer Caldari Red Storm Vendetta	Posted - 2006.12.17 19:15:00 - [35] Im sure every ASCN member is hurrying to kiss your arse right away. Bah, congrats on what you have done so far, and...etc.
Bizarre TAOSP	Posted - 2006.12.17 19:15:00 - [36] Originally by: Player One Originally by: Bizarre [...] As for Turkantho, how about you get off the NAPing spree and stop selling us rite air? Back in the days you were a worthy adversary, now you are not even allowed to live in our shadow. hadn't you everything and his mother naped in the south, in east and only HE knows who else? Only some month ago? pre "the gift" And weren't your German friends whining about it? Yes they were, only to do the same shortly after. As for Turkantho, no need to fear. I'm sure you can continue fighting for a long time with those frigatefleets of yours. --------------------
Kuolematon Space Perverts and Forum Warriors United Privateer Alliance	Posted - 2006.12.17 19:16:00 - [37] I killed BoB freighter today! \/ "It's great being Amarr, ain't it?Ö" "A world without pain"
Crean NaVar Cataclysm Enterprises Dusk and Dawn	Posted - 2006.12.17 19:16:00 - [38] Originally by: Bizarre As for Turkantho, how about you get off the NAPing spree and stop selling us rite air? Back in the days you were a worthy adversary, now you are not even allowed to live in our shadow. Thank god, because if you resize the over inflated egos there¦s not that much shadow left.
Darko1107 Caldari E X O D U S Imperial Republic Of the North	Posted - 2006.12.17 19:20:00 - [39] Originally by: SirMolle Leave in peace, with your head helds high, Give up on everything you have worked for, and hold up your head high. Makes loads of sense. ------------------ Sig removed, please keep it under the 24,000 byte limit, if you have any questions please email [email protected] - Xorus
Derrios Dirty Deeds Corp. Axiom Empire	Posted - 2006.12.17 19:21:00 - [40] Originally by: SirMolle Leave in peace, with your head helds high, and with something left, or, dont leave at all, with nothing left. Some may be refused this offer. Most will not. Your call. 72 hours are starting. Tick Tock. I would venture that fighting to the last would let you leave with your head held up high, not sticking the tail 'tween the legs and fleeing. Nice manipulation however :) ----------------------------------------------- I got something to put in you. at the *** bar.
DeadProphet Black Eclipse Corp Band of Brothers	Posted - 2006.12.17 19:21:00 - [41] Originally by: Kuolematon I killed BoB empty badger II today! \/ fixed! :)
etheris Gallente eXceed Inc. Ascendant Frontier	Posted - 2006.12.17 19:23:00 - [42] pew pew!
Avon Caldari Black Nova Corp Band of Brothers	Posted - 2006.12.17 19:24:00 - [43] Originally by: Darko1107 Give up on everything you have worked for, and hold up your head high. Makes loads of sense. Why not? The leader of EDF has already stated he is going to turn his back on their remaining outposts. If the leadership are already planning their exit, should not the members try and protect their interests too? (Or are they meant to be the serf militia whilst the robber barons escape with the booty?) The Battleships is not and should not be a solo pwnmobile - Oveur
Lord XSiV Amarr Eve Defence Force	Posted - 2006.12.17 19:25:00 - [44] Originally by: Smith Its a good offer. Take it. STK already has. They shifted all there assets out weeks ago. Yeah I got in on that run... :)
etheris Gallente eXceed Inc. Ascendant Frontier	Posted - 2006.12.17 19:28:00 - [45] wait? booty? And here I thought we sent all our exotic dancers to fountain!
Darko1107 Caldari E X O D U S Imperial Republic Of the North	Posted - 2006.12.17 19:28:00 - [46] Originally by: Avon Originally by: Darko1107 Give up on everything you have worked for, and hold up your head high. Makes loads of sense. Why not? The leader of EDF has already stated he is going to turn his back on their remaining outposts. If the leadership are already planning their exit, should not the members try and protect their interests too? (Or are they meant to be the serf militia whilst the robber barons escape with the booty?) I just mean in general. ASCN should keep fighting until thier last outpost is lost, then they can leave knowing that they tried thier best. Thats when they can hold thier heads high. I know half of them have probly already turned tail and ran away. The ones left can still do it, and feel proud that they tried thier best instead of running away like some of thier so called "alliance mates". ------------------ Sig removed, please keep it under the 24,000 byte limit, if you have any questions please email [email protected] - Xorus
Avon Caldari Black Nova Corp Band of Brothers	Posted - 2006.12.17 19:31:00 - [47] Originally by: Darko1107 I just mean in general. ASCN should keep fighting until thier last outpost is lost, then they can leave knowing that they tried thier best. Thats when they can hold thier heads high. I know half of them have probly already turned tail and ran away. The ones left can still do it, and feel proud that they tried thier best instead of running away like some of thier so called "alliance mates". I don't agree. The general membership hanging around to get slaughtered whilst their "leaders" high-tail it out of Dodge doesn't mean they gave their all, it means they were stupid and let people take advantage of their pride. The Battleships is not and should not be a solo pwnmobile - Oveur
Logan Williams Alcatraz Inc. Tactical Narcotics Team	Posted - 2006.12.17 19:31:00 - [48] This is all too funny. ASCN was formed by corporations running from a war and in order to save their own ass. Now, as if by magic, the rest of EvE is expecting those same folks to "stand up" for something.
Deathwing Amarr Evolution Band of Brothers	Posted - 2006.12.17 19:32:00 - [49] Pride wont keep your pilots in ships ASCN Leave now with what assets you have left, or be left with nothing. We will probably need pets to populate the area, odds are the first corps the fall into line and pack up, will be the first reviewed for placement. Half of something will be alot more then all of nothing <Stavros> A MAN DRESSED AS SPIDERMAN KICKED MY ASS
Darkstar BP Caldari eXceed Inc. Ascendant Frontier	Posted - 2006.12.17 19:34:00 - [50] Originally by: etheris wait? booty? And here I thought we sent all our exotic dancers to fountain! Now Etheris, you really didn't think Virt would stay if there were no exotic dancers around anymore ???? There must be a secret stash somewhere...... Let's go and find it
Darko1107 Caldari E X O D U S Imperial Republic Of the North	Posted - 2006.12.17 19:37:00 - [51] Edited by: Darko1107 on 17/12/2006 19:36:46 Originally by: Avon Originally by: Darko1107 I just mean in general. ASCN should keep fighting until thier last outpost is lost, then they can leave knowing that they tried thier best. Thats when they can hold thier heads high. I know half of them have probly already turned tail and ran away. The ones left can still do it, and feel proud that they tried thier best instead of running away like some of thier so called "alliance mates". I don't agree. The general membership hanging around to get slaughtered whilst their "leaders" high-tail it out of Dodge doesn't mean they gave their all, it means they were stupid and let people take advantage of their pride. Its not just thier leaders home though, its thiers, and they probly WANT to stay in it more than the leaders. If they fight for whats theres doesnt mean they are stupid. They dont have to fight FOR thier leaders, they can fight for it for themselves and whoever else still wants to live in it. Those that do want to stay could even clump together and stop thier leaders from leaving . + While thier leaders are hightailing they will look cowardly, taking the high ground and still fighting even after this is, imo, head high material. Afterall, it is still only a game. Real life i'd bloody leg it. ------------------ Sig removed, please keep it under the 24,000 byte limit, if you have any questions please email [email protected] - Xorus
Avon Caldari Black Nova Corp Band of Brothers	Posted - 2006.12.17 19:38:00 - [52] Originally by: Darko1107 + While thier leaders are hightailing they will look cowardly, taking the high ground and still fighting even after this is, imo, head high material. Afterall, it is still only a game. Real life i'd bloody leg it. Still, better to cut a deal than trust to luck, non? The Battleships is not and should not be a solo pwnmobile - Oveur
Malachon Draco eXceed Inc. Ascendant Frontier	Posted - 2006.12.17 19:39:00 - [53] Originally by: Avon Originally by: Darko1107 I just mean in general. ASCN should keep fighting until thier last outpost is lost, then they can leave knowing that they tried thier best. Thats when they can hold thier heads high. I know half of them have probly already turned tail and ran away. The ones left can still do it, and feel proud that they tried thier best instead of running away like some of thier so called "alliance mates". I don't agree. The general membership hanging around to get slaughtered whilst their "leaders" high-tail it out of Dodge doesn't mean they gave their all, it means they were stupid and let people take advantage of their pride. Heh. Every time I wonder whether this war is still worth fighting, I come about a post like this and it strengthens my resolve, thanks Avon. - Never trust a BoB, because he will lie and cheat while pretending to be honourable -
Kuolematon Space Perverts and Forum Warriors United Privateer Alliance	Posted - 2006.12.17 19:39:00 - [54] Originally by: DeadProphet Originally by: Kuolematon I killed BoB empty badger II today! \/ fixed! :) Err, okay so your now saying that Obelisk is Badger??? Whoa. Click link on my bio and find out yourself "It's great being Amarr, ain't it?Ö" "A world without pain"
Avon Caldari Black Nova Corp Band of Brothers	Posted - 2006.12.17 19:42:00 - [55] Originally by: Malachon Draco Heh. Every time I wonder whether this war is still worth fighting, I come about a post like this and it strengthens my resolve, thanks Avon. Good. Maybe I should be in ASCN HC? Maybe I am? The Battleships is not and should not be a solo pwnmobile - Oveur
Hamatitio Caldari Fate.	Posted - 2006.12.17 19:43:00 - [56] I'm trying to convince the corpies to come down and play with you guys. I've had no luck so far... My "lets pitch support for ascn and get some phat bob lewtz" idea got shot down real quick by a "I hate ascn more than bob" retort. But you don't really want to jump on the bandwagon and pew pew ascn to death. And a FFA fight would leave the 5 of us terribly blobbed... sigh. Decisions Decisions. Maybe a gank trip soon --- I'm going through sigs fast these days.
Darko1107 Caldari E X O D U S Imperial Republic Of the North	Posted - 2006.12.17 19:44:00 - [57] Originally by: Avon Originally by: Darko1107 + While thier leaders are hightailing they will look cowardly, taking the high ground and still fighting even after this is, imo, head high material. Afterall, it is still only a game. Real life i'd bloody leg it. Still, better to cut a deal than trust to luck, non? I can see what you mean. I suppose alot of people would rather just keep thier stuff and run away with it. I Personally wouldnt be bothered losing it all whilst having fun then leave, with my pride possibly a little bruised , but head held high nonetheless. I think we can both agree though that there is pretty much no chance of them fighting back bob, so fighting is pretty much futile, but all in the name of fun hopefully! ------------------ Sig removed, please keep it under the 24,000 byte limit, if you have any questions please email [email protected] - Xorus
Avon Caldari Black Nova Corp Band of Brothers	Posted - 2006.12.17 19:46:00 - [58] Originally by: Darko1107 I Personally wouldnt be bothered losing it all whilst having fun then leave, with my pride possibly a little bruised , but head held high nonetheless. You and me both, but then we don't have the common sense between us to know when to give up. The Battleships is not and should not be a solo pwnmobile - Oveur
Amthrianius Destructive Influence Band of Brothers	Posted - 2006.12.17 19:46:00 - [59] Originally by: Kuolematon Originally by: DeadProphet Originally by: Kuolematon I killed BoB empty badger II today! \/ fixed! :) Err, okay so your now saying that Obelisk is Badger??? Whoa. Click link on my bio and find out yourself Lotka Volterra = BoB? Originally by: ASCN Member Mr Testy > mabee next year i can meet some bob at fanfest and beat them up
Sacul Wreckless Abandon The UnAssociated	Posted - 2006.12.17 19:53:00 - [60] WTB: Outpost, must include child nursery, dairy farms and incubators. Convo me if u have an offer. I need a new home and the wife is expecting.
Virtuozzo eXceed Inc. Ascendant Frontier	Posted - 2006.12.17 20:03:00 - [61] Still Exotic Dancers left to burn through tbh. Virtuozzo RECRUITMENT TEASERS. Last words of a Caldari general: "Pull the Ravens back! Full retreat! they've got frigates!"
scabbsssjr Gallente M'8'S	Posted - 2006.12.17 20:06:00 - [62] Originally by: Darkstar BP Originally by: SirMolle Leave in peace, with your head helds high, and with something left, or, dont leave at all, with nothing left. Some may be refused this offer. Most will not. Please tell us, who will you refuse this offer to leave? Reserved again I am not BOB, but SirMolle has said before CLS and their sister corp weren't allowed to take the offer up. I also think that jim mccreedys corp wasn't allowed to but I could be wrong. What ever I say is my own views and not of my corp.
etheris Gallente eXceed Inc. Ascendant Frontier	Posted - 2006.12.17 20:07:00 - [63] ok, as long as their are still exotic dancers, its good times.
Lord XSiV Amarr Eve Defence Force	Posted - 2006.12.17 20:10:00 - [64] Edited by: Lord XSiV on 17/12/2006 20:10:28 Originally by: scabbsssjr Originally by: Darkstar BP Originally by: SirMolle Leave in peace, with your head helds high, and with something left, or, dont leave at all, with nothing left. Some may be refused this offer. Most will not. Please tell us, who will you refuse this offer to leave? Reserved again I am not BOB, but SirMolle has said before CLS and their sister corp weren't allowed to take the offer up. I also think that jim mccreedys corp wasn't allowed to but I could be wrong. Yeah it kind of sucks for some of us.....Right now I am kos to everything that flys. For some reason ASCN seems more afixed on coming after me than they are dealing with bob. Baffling... But the game is definitely more fun. Makes it easy, cause if it comes up on your overview, you just shoot it. :)
Caius LiviusCerso	Posted - 2006.12.17 20:11:00 - [65] For God Sake don't you think its a game? PPl do have pride in this game u know. At least after Bob decides they did what they came to do, CCP finaly fixes most of bugs.
Skelator Stronghold corp Imperium Alliance	Posted - 2006.12.17 20:23:00 - [66] Dont you ever get tired of Inflating your EGO? I mean you have Excellent people in your alliance who don't feel the need to post every three days and let their actions speak for themselves, So why the Propaganda? Or are doing these posts for your "Creative Writing Course" for College? My Views are my own and Not A View of Imperium Alliance.
Helen STK Scientific Ascendant Frontier	Posted - 2006.12.17 20:31:00 - [67] Originally by: Smith Its a good offer. Take it. STK already has. They shifted all there assets out weeks ago. Oh I must of missed that.
Lord XSiV Amarr Eve Defence Force	Posted - 2006.12.17 20:37:00 - [68] Originally by: Virtuozzo Still Exotic Dancers left to burn through tbh. So is that what you call the rank and file these days? Maybe some things did change....
Yazoul Samaiel Caldari Black Nova Corp Band of Brothers	Posted - 2006.12.17 20:39:00 - [69] Originally by: Helen Originally by: Smith Its a good offer. Take it. STK already has. They shifted all there assets out weeks ago. Oh I must of missed that. 2 ASCN dreads lost will tend to make ppl forget and miss stuff "Lord Samaiel, Rise " BNC Vs CELES Video
Layla Currie Followers Of Darkness	Posted - 2006.12.17 20:42:00 - [70] Originally by: Yazoul Samaiel Originally by: Helen Originally by: Smith Its a good offer. Take it. STK already has. They shifted all there assets out weeks ago. Oh I must of missed that. 2 ASCN dreads lost will tend to make ppl forget and miss stuff Rabid monkey freedom fighters!
Emblurr	Posted - 2006.12.17 20:50:00 - [71] Edited by: Emblurr on 17/12/2006 20:50:54 ZOMG this JUST IN: Molle is a nerd. edit** wrong char, LOVE TRYTONX <3
Monarch Destructive Influence Band of Brothers	Posted - 2006.12.17 20:51:00 - [72] Edited by: Monarch on 17/12/2006 20:51:59 Originally by: Malachon Draco Originally by: Avon Originally by: Darko1107 I just mean in general. ASCN should keep fighting until thier last outpost is lost, then they can leave knowing that they tried thier best. Thats when they can hold thier heads high. I know half of them have probly already turned tail and ran away. The ones left can still do it, and feel proud that they tried thier best instead of running away like some of thier so called "alliance mates". I don't agree. The general membership hanging around to get slaughtered whilst their "leaders" high-tail it out of Dodge doesn't mean they gave their all, it means they were stupid and let people take advantage of their pride. Heh. Every time I wonder whether this war is still worth fighting, I come about a post like this and it strengthens my resolve, thanks Avon. After countless post your resolve should be pretty f*ing strong, yet it has yielded you dk
killerco Gallente Confederation of Red Moon Ascendant Frontier	Posted - 2006.12.17 20:53:00 - [73] Edited by: killerco on 17/12/2006 20:54:45 Originally by: SirMolle ASCN corporations, for those of you who wish to leave in peace, and move your assets out, you have 72 hours from this post to arrange it, and you will never be offered this again. I thank you for your offer. On behalf off corm i'm respectfully declining it. We will fight for our home untill the end. P.S. we will leave with nothing if we have too :) Don't be a great man just be a man
larietta Dirty Deeds Corp. Axiom Empire	Posted - 2006.12.17 20:54:00 - [74] am sorry but myself i would tell you to put that offer up your rear and i would not stop in till i kill all my assets fighting.any thing i could not fly i would trash(no i would not even sell it ) only things i would take with me is myself .
Alha Qmar Caldari Xenon Logistics	Posted - 2006.12.17 20:57:00 - [75] Whats BoB going to do with all those stations in the end? 30 stations sounds like to much to hold, even for bob. You can't defend 5+ regions on your own. Are you going to open them for public? Are yet another bob slave corp allowing to exploit these regions?
Dominixa Shadows of the Dead Xelas Alliance	Posted - 2006.12.17 20:59:00 - [76] Originally by: Yazoul Samaiel Originally by: Helen Originally by: Smith Its a good offer. Take it. STK already has. They shifted all there assets out weeks ago. Oh I must of missed that. 2 ASCN dreads lost will tend to make ppl forget and miss stuff It was three Yaz.
m0jo Destructive Influence Band of Brothers	Posted - 2006.12.17 21:03:00 - [77] So can anyone in ASCN evemail me the perfect setup for running angel complexes? I would really appreciate it.
Otto Torivus Species 5618 Ascendant Frontier	Posted - 2006.12.17 21:04:00 - [78] We are still having problems teaching our members how to read let alone get past the "Ooooh pretty lights" phase. Sorry can't be more specific then this right now. Ta-ta Four out of five Minmatar say the signature sucks. Film at eleven.
LUKEC Destructive Influence Band of Brothers	Posted - 2006.12.17 21:07:00 - [79] Originally by: m0jo So can anyone in ASCN evemail me the perfect setup for running angel complexes? I would really appreciate it. Ask ktademon -------- The BoB model is bad for business. Incidently the BoB model is more suited for a game such as WoW where as the ASCN model more suited for Eve. McGreedy
Darko1107 Caldari E X O D U S Imperial Republic Of the North	Posted - 2006.12.17 21:07:00 - [80] Originally by: Avon Originally by: Darko1107 I Personally wouldnt be bothered losing it all whilst having fun then leave, with my pride possibly a little bruised , but head held high nonetheless. You and me both, but then we don't have the common sense between us to know when to give up. Speak for yourself! ------------------ Sig removed, please keep it under the 24,000 byte limit, if you have any questions please email [email protected] - Xorus
Lord XSiV Amarr Eve Defence Force	Posted - 2006.12.17 21:09:00 - [81] Originally by: Caius LiviusCerso For God Sake don't you think its a game? PPl do have pride in this game u know. At least after Bob decides they did what they came to do, CCP finaly fixes most of bugs. I sense ASCN alt....Yip, the distinct 'blame CCP' statement is there supported by a 'blame Bob' statement. Guess he didn't get the memo that it is passe now.
Vegas Rage of Angels	Posted - 2006.12.17 21:10:00 - [82] The PA are dead -------------------------------------------- Originally by: Mokelo Just browsing the killboards and wow someone just got owned. Originally by: Ulynidd Yes you got owned for posting with an alt.
LUKEC Destructive Influence Band of Brothers	Posted - 2006.12.17 21:10:00 - [83] Originally by: Darko1107 Originally by: Avon Originally by: Darko1107 I Personally wouldnt be bothered losing it all whilst having fun then leave, with my pride possibly a little bruised , but head held high nonetheless. You and me both, but then we don't have the common sense between us to know when to give up. Speak for yourself! What was that run for the stain about ? -------- The BoB model is bad for business. Incidently the BoB model is more suited for a game such as WoW where as the ASCN model more suited for Eve. McGreedy
Lord XSiV Amarr Eve Defence Force	Posted - 2006.12.17 21:14:00 - [84] Originally by: Otto Torivus We are still having problems teaching our members how to read let alone get past the "Ooooh pretty lights" phase. Sorry can't be more specific then this right now. Ta-ta Yeah but they got that macro'ing thing down pat..... Sorry, but being a hardcore miner in r97, I don't need to prove that statement to anyone :)
Powder Caldari Black Nova Corp Band of Brothers	Posted - 2006.12.17 21:18:00 - [85] Originally by: Kuolematon Originally by: DeadProphet Originally by: Kuolematon I killed BoB empty badger II today! \/ fixed! :) Err, okay so your now saying that Obelisk is Badger??? Whoa. Click link on my bio and find out yourself You mean the one on your kb that belongs to shadow company? of LV?
JINX HSC Black Nova Corp Band of Brothers	Posted - 2006.12.17 21:20:00 - [86] Originally by: m0jo So can anyone in ASCN evemail me the perfect setup for running angel complexes? I would really appreciate it. m0 i think you have to ask RED couse i dont think ASCN have been runing those plexes even once.. //mask - KLADDKAKA - Trig read the rulez m8!!!
Otto Torivus Species 5618 Ascendant Frontier	Posted - 2006.12.17 21:27:00 - [87] Edited by: Otto Torivus on 17/12/2006 21:28:03 Originally by: Lord XSiV Originally by: Otto Torivus We are still having problems teaching our members how to read let alone get past the "Ooooh pretty lights" phase. Sorry can't be more specific then this right now. Ta-ta Yeah but they got that macro'ing thing down pat..... Sorry, but being a hardcore miner in r97, I don't need to prove that statement to anyone :) They dont Macro, they also don't speak english and yes we do have problems comunicating with them. Four out of five Minmatar say the signature sucks. Film at eleven.
Moghydin Confederation of Red Moon Ascendant Frontier	Posted - 2006.12.17 21:28:00 - [88] Why go to Empire? So much fun down here :) I don't mind losing ships as long as I have fun and kill some hostiles here and there
Omeega Rage and Terror Against ALL Authorities	Posted - 2006.12.17 21:32:00 - [89] What a bunch of ASCN_internal_forums_f5_macroers. Gettin' all wet and such. Great. p.s. reinforce 9zfh-z's node please. Don't speak english. F1,f2,f3...
Otto Torivus Species 5618 Ascendant Frontier	Posted - 2006.12.17 21:33:00 - [90] Originally by: Omeega Gettin' all wet and such. Is it Friday again all ready? Four out of five Minmatar say the signature sucks. Film at eleven.
Yazoul Samaiel Caldari Black Nova Corp Band of Brothers	Posted - 2006.12.17 21:35:00 - [91] Originally by: Layla Currie Originally by: Yazoul Samaiel Originally by: Helen Originally by: Smith Its a good offer. Take it. STK already has. They shifted all there assets out weeks ago. Oh I must of missed that. 2 ASCN dreads lost will tend to make ppl forget and miss stuff Rabid monkey freedom fighters! This is all Calmdown's Fault "Lord Samaiel, Rise " BNC Vs CELES Video
Eldorin Gallente TEAMSTERS	Posted - 2006.12.17 21:37:00 - [92] Originally by: Logan Williams This is all too funny. ASCN was formed by corporations running from a war and in order to save their own ass. Now, as if by magic, the rest of EvE is expecting those same folks to "stand up" for something. Just as funny as the alliance that now gives out nap, is the same alliance who attacked the former holder of their region while having blue standings OH yes I remember
schemering Shibari Mure	Posted - 2006.12.17 21:42:00 - [93] Windmills 4TW!
Sentinel Eeex Caldari Two Brothers Mining Corp. Ascendant Frontier	Posted - 2006.12.17 22:16:00 - [94] Started with nothing, might as well go back to nothing. It's a game, after all. Quack.
scabbsssjr Gallente M'8'S	Posted - 2006.12.17 22:51:00 - [95] Originally by: Lord XSiV Edited by: Lord XSiV on 17/12/2006 20:10:28 Originally by: scabbsssjr Originally by: Darkstar BP Originally by: SirMolle Leave in peace, with your head helds high, and with something left, or, dont leave at all, with nothing left. Some may be refused this offer. Most will not. Please tell us, who will you refuse this offer to leave? Reserved again I am not BOB, but SirMolle has said before CLS and their sister corp weren't allowed to take the offer up. I also think that jim mccreedys corp wasn't allowed to but I could be wrong. Yeah it kind of sucks for some of us.....Right now I am kos to everything that flys. For some reason ASCN seems more afixed on coming after me than they are dealing with bob. Baffling... But the game is definitely more fun. Makes it easy, cause if it comes up on your overview, you just shoot it. :) Ain't it great being Amarr? Everyone shooting the amarr guy. What ever I say is my own views and not of my corp.
DeWieKat Xenobytes Against ALL Authorities	Posted - 2006.12.17 23:05:00 - [96] Originally by: Otto Torivus Originally by: Omeega Gettin' all wet and such. Is it Friday again all ready? otto, it would be better for species to fly below the radar right now, dont u think? hush
ItakeItDeep	Posted - 2006.12.17 23:19:00 - [97] Edited by: ItakeItDeep on 17/12/2006 23:20:24 - - I you see this post, then I screwed up. alt by NAFnist
NAFnist Rage of Angels Morsus Mihi	Posted - 2006.12.17 23:21:00 - [98] war cant be over untill molle says those 3 little words .... "ascn is dead" - Regards NAFnist
Lord XSiV Amarr Eve Defence Force	Posted - 2006.12.17 23:39:00 - [99] Originally by: NAFnist war cant be over untill molle says those 3 little words .... "ascn is dead" Or possibly 3 different words from whoever is leader of ascn: We give up.
Phrank Phish Eve Defence Force Ascendant Frontier	Posted - 2006.12.17 23:46:00 - [100] changed the clutch in my subaru legacy a week back, theres 3 x sensors above the gearbox and i broke the cable off one of them and cant fix it. now my manual says there should only be 2 x sensors, the subaru dealer says there should only be 2 and a few of my other mechanic mates have no idea what it is either. everything still works on the car, it doesnt seem to be missing whatever this other sensor was doing... so wtf is it? and should i be worried? sorry, just thought id use a pointless thread for something usefull. as if anyone in ASCN cares about BoB's endless stream of warnings and offers. 2 months of fighting and your still convinced were running away? you lot have been posting we are running since the third day, damn were slow moving aint we. anyhow, does anyone work in a subaru factory? its a P reg, 2.0 with the boxer engine. running away (straight at them with guns blazing, deception ftw) from BoB (really slowly) for the past 2 years (and counting)
Yazoul Samaiel Caldari Black Nova Corp Band of Brothers	Posted - 2006.12.17 23:50:00 - [101] Originally by: Phrank Phish sad stuff EDF is not part of this offer , dont bother yourself with reading this post. Thol has already called Dibs on your corp "Lord Samaiel, Rise " BNC Vs CELES Video
Dr Einkeisel Evolution Band of Brothers	Posted - 2006.12.17 23:54:00 - [102] Originally by: Phrank Phish changed the clutch in my subaru legacy a week back, theres 3 x sensors above the gearbox and i broke the cable off one of them and cant fix it. now my manual says there should only be 2 x sensors, the subaru dealer says there should only be 2 and a few of my other mechanic mates have no idea what it is either. everything still works on the car, it doesnt seem to be missing whatever this other sensor was doing... so wtf is it? and should i be worried? sorry, just thought id use a pointless thread for something usefull. as if anyone in ASCN cares about BoB's endless stream of warnings and offers. 2 months of fighting and your still convinced were running away? you lot have been posting we are running since the third day, damn were slow moving aint we. anyhow, does anyone work in a subaru factory? its a P reg, 2.0 with the boxer engine. When you say above the gearbox, you mean actually on the base of the knob or ? tbh google the scooby sports owners club and post on there forums, somone on there will know
Ashen Brarn Evolution Band of Brothers	Posted - 2006.12.17 23:55:00 - [103] Originally by: Phrank Phish anyhow, does anyone work in a subaru factory? its a P reg, 2.0 with the boxer engine. it's a bob ninja poised to restart your car at the worst possible time ---
Fitz Chivalry eXceed Inc. Ascendant Frontier	Posted - 2006.12.18 00:03:00 - [104] Come on, gang, don't fight. You people focus so hard on the things wrong with Christmas that you've forgotten what's so right about it. Don't you see? This is the one time of year we're s'posed to forget all the bad stuff, to stop worrying and being sad about the state of the world, and for just one day say, "Aw, the heck with it! Let's sing and dance and bake cookies"
Snow Monkey STK Scientific Ascendant Frontier	Posted - 2006.12.18 00:09:00 - [105] Swivel, Molle.
Herculite Hunters Agency Firmus Ixion	Posted - 2006.12.18 00:12:00 - [106] Originally by: Lord XSiV Yeah it kind of sucks for some of us.....Right now I am kos to everything that flys. For some reason ASCN seems more afixed on coming after me than they are dealing with bob. Baffling... But the game is definitely more fun. Makes it easy, cause if it comes up on your overview, you just shoot it. :) Myabe they are just sick of you bringing up V for Vendetta all the time as it applies to ASCN
MeatwagonUK M. Corp Lotka Volterra	Posted - 2006.12.18 00:12:00 - [107] Originally by: Snatchz LOL @ Darkstar BP and the rest of eXceed....you guys alone will make this another 15 page thread! I guess BoB must really be hitting home if you feel the need to spam that much? If how badly someone was doing could be judged by how many posts an alliance makes... Bob would be getting wtfpwned and losing titans daily. This doesn't appear to be happening
Chee Minmatar hirr Morsus Mihi	Posted - 2006.12.18 00:22:00 - [108] Dont have anything to do with this war but: stand and fight ascn, in the end you will feel better for staying and fighting then walking away with some ships and modules. Experience is worth more then anything. Ships and mods can all be replaced in time. Your signature is too large. Please see the Forum Rules for the limits - Serathu ([email protected])
Nytemaster Mega-Deth	Posted - 2006.12.18 01:10:00 - [109] Edited by: Nytemaster on 18/12/2006 01:12:44 I think that it is clear that when an alliance leader pulls out in the middle of a war, right when they are needed most that this is what happens. It is time for a new ASCN under entirely new leadership to take the reigns, preferably someone in the military wing that can rally the forces. If not you should heed the BoB call. There is only one way to win this, that is together. Your history ends here otherwise. Edit: I don't know the history of the new leader so this is not a flame toward him. It could be just what you have done.
Vinhod Arkar Eve Defence Force Ascendant Frontier	Posted - 2006.12.18 01:13:00 - [110] It would appear that my corp is excluded from any and all offers so meh. Are you seriously trying to tell me that up and leaving leads to more respect than fighting to the end?? What sort of pod pilot would that make me. (Cue inevitable search for me on KB - I'm there, participations and losses, no final blows yet but I keep trying). Not as much as I'd like but that's life. Bizarrely enough I continue to have fun. I still get nervous going into "battle". My heart pounds, my senses are heightened and when (yes when :() I die, I get in another ship and do it again. A game shouldn't do that to me but it does. Pew pew and good fights is all I want out of this game, and I'm getting it in vast quantities, thanks :) I'll see you in space. Vin
Lord XSiV Amarr Eve Defence Force	Posted - 2006.12.18 01:17:00 - [111] Originally by: Vinhod Arkar It would appear that my corp is excluded from any and all offers so meh. Are you seriously trying to tell me that up and leaving leads to more respect than fighting to the end?? What sort of pod pilot would that make me. (Cue inevitable search for me on KB - I'm there, participations and losses, no final blows yet but I keep trying). Not as much as I'd like but that's life. Bizarrely enough I continue to have fun. I still get nervous going into "battle". My heart pounds, my senses are heightened and when (yes when :() I die, I get in another ship and do it again. A game shouldn't do that to me but it does. Pew pew and good fights is all I want out of this game, and I'm getting it in vast quantities, thanks :) I'll see you in space. Vin Yeah, I get all the fun :) You should join me in being kos to all sides. You know you wanna...
Reto The Last Resort	Posted - 2006.12.18 01:44:00 - [112] oh comon this one took bob 4 months already...dont beg for ascn to leave. u started it and ull have to work for it. and once u done it ull have to work for keeping it. fun times ahead Originally by: s4mp3r0r "Hey man, you're mom has a cruise missile".
Yazoul Samaiel Caldari Black Nova Corp Band of Brothers	Posted - 2006.12.18 02:09:00 - [113] Originally by: Reto oh comon this one took bob 4 months already...dont beg for ascn to leave. u started it and ull have to work for it. and once u done it ull have to work for keeping it. fun times ahead huh , what ? "Lord Samaiel, Rise " BNC Vs CELES Video
Svett Destructive Influence Band of Brothers	Posted - 2006.12.18 03:01:00 - [114] Originally by: Kuolematon I killed BoB freighter today! \/ I don't see a lossmail for it, whom do you claim you killed? ----- Congratulations. You just ****ed EDF off. I hope you're prepared for the consequences. - John Mccreedy
Amthrianius Destructive Influence Band of Brothers	Posted - 2006.12.18 03:04:00 - [115] It was LV Svett. but anyway Originally by: Ezekiel 7:25 Destruction cometh; and they shall seek peace, and there shall be none. Originally by: ASCN Member Mr Testy > mabee next year i can meet some bob at fanfest and beat them up
Svett Destructive Influence Band of Brothers	Posted - 2006.12.18 03:06:00 - [116] Originally by: Amthrianius It was LV Svett. but anyway Originally by: Ezekiel 7:25 Destruction cometh; and they shall seek peace, and there shall be none. Ah right, Saw that a page later. So much spam to sort thru. ----- Congratulations. You just ****ed EDF off. I hope you're prepared for the consequences. - John Mccreedy
cOnFuSe Gallente Aliastra	Posted - 2006.12.18 03:07:00 - [117] It will be interesting to see how long this war lasts. there are plenty of npc stations around BOB space to base out of and Many ASCN pilots. this war can last a long time, and BOB has plenty of enemies to ally with and plenty future enemies to come. ASCN if it gets that bad fountain/stain is a good beachhead.
etheris Gallente eXceed Inc. Ascendant Frontier	Posted - 2006.12.18 03:14:00 - [118] I declare war on etherios. That pandawrangling wafflemonkey has a name far too similar to my beautiful, fairly buxom own.
Mortuus Minmatar Just-fun	Posted - 2006.12.18 04:15:00 - [119] Edited by: Mortuus on 18/12/2006 04:16:26 Yea ASCN, be worried, you might only be left with enough ships to run missions in empire and get rich again within a month... Fight to the last, otherwise you'll always have a nagging feeling. I remember when Venal fell, I was forced to go about my business regularly and attack the people BoB shoved into Tenal and Branch. All in all a good time. Even if you lose your space, you really haven't lost. Just have fun doing it and make sure you leave with your pride. Rod Blaine, eventually I will have that 15km web =p Unless of course it blew up already...because I just want that specific one. ex-Occassus Republica <3
Danari Amarr Syncore Ascendant Frontier	Posted - 2006.12.18 04:19:00 - [120] Originally by: SirMolle you will never be offered this again. Thank god, I was getting tired of all the final notices. Also, unless this comes with assurances from -A-, Establishment et al, I'm not seeing the value add here. Originally by: SirMolle Leave in peace, with your head helds high, and with something left, or, dont leave at all, with nothing left. Logic not your strong suit? Somehow I picture Mike Tyson behind that wicked roundhouse more than Cassius Clay.
LTD THOR Sensus Numinis Prime Orbital Systems	Posted - 2006.12.18 04:21:00 - [121] die! =D My 1st video : =RED WARS-The Beginning= ;)
PainBall Gallente Viper Squad Mordus Angels	Posted - 2006.12.18 04:42:00 - [122] This sounds like a v happy x-mas :) and i must thank u dave for beating up mr steve :) u know that i wanted them to die and maybe i regret i am not able to make teh final blow :P anyway nice work there ^_^ ps. hey bizzare i miss ure sexy voice :P Love conqueres all ... but not in eve
jernej Destructive Influence Band of Brothers	Posted - 2006.12.18 05:46:00 - [123] Originally by: PainBall Edited by: PainBall on 18/12/2006 04:49:06 This sounds like a v happy x-mas :) and i must thank u dave for beating up mr steve :) u know that i wanted them to die and maybe i regret i am not able to make teh final blow :P anyway nice work there ^_^ ps. hey bizzare i miss ure sexy voice :P and luke does jernej still playz? :) Hey Pain I'm back, nice to see ur still playing. How's the winter up north and how are the new 10/10s
Mud Pandemonium Rage and Terror Against ALL Authorities	Posted - 2006.12.18 06:33:00 - [124] Please, for the good of EVE. Obliterate them. Crush their morale, break their will. Savagely rend each ship apart and feast upon the cowards within. Grind their bones between the gargantuan gears of the Band of Brothers warmachine. I'll call upon the power of Megadeths "Take No Prisoners" to finish off this post. Got one chance, infiltrate them Get it right, terminate them The Panzers will, permeate them Break their pride, denigrate them And their people, retrograde them Typhus, detriate them Epidemic, devastate them Take no prisoners, cremate them.
Gyro DuAquin1 Tri Optimum Dusk and Dawn	Posted - 2006.12.18 08:30:00 - [125] Originally by: Skelator Dont you ever get tired of Inflating your EGO? I mean you have Excellent people in your alliance who don't feel the need to post every three days and let their actions speak for themselves, So why the Propaganda? Or are doing these posts for your "Creative Writing Course" for College? My Views are my own and Not A View of Imperium Alliance. Na its just go keep me entertained on monday morning, but this time bob failed 3/10 for the effort.
Omeega Rage and Terror Against ALL Authorities	Posted - 2006.12.18 08:34:00 - [126] guys, i'm starting to think that we'll finish off AXE before you finish ASCN! :) Wanna bet? 3 kids ! 3!!! Don't speak english. F1,f2,f3...
Mud Pandemonium Rage and Terror Against ALL Authorities	Posted - 2006.12.18 08:42:00 - [127] Yeah but..nobody cares about AXE. Ooo..tsss, I smell burn.
weedmasta Federation of Freedom Fighters Executive Outcomes	Posted - 2006.12.18 10:00:00 - [128] ASCN still doesn't seem to get it (that is the ones responding here and the ones agreeing with the ones responding here), which i find very funny. This thread has nothing to do with propaganda or demorilization, in fact it is quiet the opposite. It is to get you all fired up with rage, anger and everlasting pride so you keep fighting and keep sending in more pilots and ships to their deaths. What's in for BoB you say? More fun blowing up rage-aholic, suicidal ASCN pilots, you are basically doing what BoB wants you to do
Darcuese Destructive Influence Band of Brothers	Posted - 2006.12.18 10:08:00 - [129] Garbage is there to be cleaned. Nothing wierd about it, tbh Darth Solo=McCready...in different package
Needer moon7empler Dusk and Dawn	Posted - 2006.12.18 10:39:00 - [130] Edited by: Needer on 18/12/2006 10:38:45 Originally by: Darcuese Garbage is there to be cleaned. Nothing wierd about it, tbh The fact that you are still here proves the exact opposite!
Brunswick2 eXceed Inc. Ascendant Frontier	Posted - 2006.12.18 10:43:00 - [131] Originally by: Mud Pandemonium Please, for the good of EVE. Obliterate them. Crush their morale, break their will. Savagely rend each ship apart and feast upon the cowards within. Grind their bones between the gargantuan gears of the Band of Brothers warmachine. I'll call upon the power of Megadeths "Take No Prisoners" to finish off this post. Got one chance, infiltrate them Get it right, terminate them The Panzers will, permeate them Break their pride, denigrate them And their people, retrograde them Typhus, detriate them Epidemic, devastate them Take no prisoners, cremate them. I take it that you don't like ASCN? --------------------------------- Bah, I broke my edited sig!
Mud Pandemonium Rage and Terror Against ALL Authorities	Posted - 2006.12.18 10:57:00 - [132] Edited by: Mud Pandemonium on 18/12/2006 10:57:59 Originally by: Brunswick2 I take it that you don't like ASCN? I loathe ASCN. I wish to see you and your brethren purged from EVE like the cancer you are. Every system you inhabit now belongs to Band of Brothers or any other Alliance that chooses to make their home there. It's not so much that Band of Brothers totally obliterates you. I want them to break your spirit. I want them to destroy your EVE livelihood. I want to watch as they rend your alliance limb from limb. You and the rest of ASCN should be forced into mining and manufacturing for other alliances. Every POS you established should be purged. Every ship you own should be demolished. I get a small smile knowing that you and the rest of the wretched filth known as ASCN are being slowly and mercilessly crushed. ASCN has nothing to look to now but their own oblivion. Give my regards to obscurity.
Omeega Rage and Terror Against ALL Authorities	Posted - 2006.12.18 10:59:00 - [133] damn, i like that guy, he makes me feel all special :) GO MP GIVE'EM HELL!!! Don't speak english. F1,f2,f3...
killerco Gallente Confederation of Red Moon Ascendant Frontier	Posted - 2006.12.18 11:49:00 - [134] Originally by: Mud Pandemonium Edited by: Mud Pandemonium on 18/12/2006 10:57:59 Originally by: Brunswick2 I take it that you don't like ASCN? I loathe ASCN. I wish to see you and your brethren purged from EVE like the cancer you are. Every system you inhabit now belongs to Band of Brothers or any other Alliance that chooses to make their home there. It's not so much that Band of Brothers totally obliterates you. I want them to break your spirit. I want them to destroy your EVE livelihood. I want to watch as they rend your alliance limb from limb. You and the rest of ASCN should be forced into mining and manufacturing for other alliances. Every POS you established should be purged. Every ship you own should be demolished. I get a small smile knowing that you and the rest of the wretched filth known as ASCN are being slowly and mercilessly crushed. ASCN has nothing to look to now but their own oblivion. Give my regards to obscurity. why so much hate for ascn? Don't be a great man just be a man
Blind Watchmaker Celestial Horizon Corp. Ascendant Frontier	Posted - 2006.12.18 11:58:00 - [135] Originally by: Mud Pandemonium I loathe ASCN. I wish to see you and your brethren purged from EVE like the cancer you are. Every system you inhabit now belongs to Band of Brothers or any other Alliance that chooses to make their home there. It's not so much that Band of Brothers totally obliterates you. I want them to break your spirit. I want them to destroy your EVE livelihood. I want to watch as they rend your alliance limb from limb. You and the rest of ASCN should be forced into mining and manufacturing for other alliances. Every POS you established should be purged. Every ship you own should be demolished. I get a small smile knowing that you and the rest of the wretched filth known as ASCN are being slowly and mercilessly crushed. ASCN has nothing to look to now but their own oblivion. Give my regards to obscurity. Roflmao Quality ---------------------------------------
Joshua Foiritain Gallente Coreli Corporation Corelum Syndicate	Posted - 2006.12.18 12:00:00 - [136] Originally by: killerco why so much hate for ascn? Maybe he was in xetic before the "split"? Maybe the KGB made him do it. ----- [Coreli Corporation Mainframe]
Mud Pandemonium Rage and Terror Against ALL Authorities	Posted - 2006.12.18 12:07:00 - [137] Originally by: killerco why so much hate for ascn? You and your ilk refuse to see the grudging truth before you. I seek to open your eyes to the reality that is your futile existence. The space you so quaintly refer to as your own no longer belongs to you. For all intents and purposes you were squatting from the start. You, and everyone still loyal to ASCN should be forced into slavery to serve warring factions of worth. ASCN as an alliance has no worth, the space you call home is going to waste because ASCN simply refuses to come to terms with their own inevitable death. Those of you who refuse the new order as it is should be slaughtered and banished to the furthest reaches of the EVE universe, it is a new dawn. Your ships should be given to factions that could use them, your resources, your very livelihood. No one in EVE will grieve for you. No one will remember ASCN. Every day another salvo of destruction is fired into the heart of ASCN. Another ship torn asunder by enemy fire. Everyday that passes Band of Brothers tightens the vice around the pathetic notion of ASCN. ASCN is a failed ideal. ASCN is a cancer, a parasite, a virus, a disease. There is but one course of action. Your total and utter annihilation. Even then it won't be enough, the blow against Cyvok brought me much joy. Why? When I was shown his forum post I laughed, I laughed knowing he was broken. He will spend the rest of his EVE life in Empire trying to make a buck. The rest of you should suffer the same fate, Band of Brothers should not only destroy your material assets, but break your spirits as well. My hate won't stop until ASCN has been purged from EVE, its not enough that you're the laughingstock of the game, it is not enough that everyday Band of Brothers hurls a fist into your alliances collective face.. You must be broken.
RemDakar eXceed Inc. Ascendant Frontier	Posted - 2006.12.18 12:09:00 - [138] Edited by: RemDakar on 18/12/2006 12:09:41 Originally by: SirMolle Paragon Soul has fallen, C9N is about to fall, RIT is emo-infested, AZN looks nice for christmas. The clock is about to chime for the last time. ASCN corporations, for those of you who wish to leave in peace, and move your assets out, you have 72 hours from this post to arrange it, and you will never be offered this again. With the death of Steve, and the evacuation of your leader, there's nothing more to hope for. Leave in peace, with your head helds high, and with something left, or, dont leave at all, with nothing left. Some may be refused this offer. Most will not. Your call. 72 hours are starting. Tick Tock. Ok, now that I am done laughing I can post a reply. Oh wait, no I'm not HAHAHAHAHAHA HAHAHAHAHAHA HAHAHAHAHAAHA we're not allowed to leave? awwwwwwww (old sig, too lazy to fix it)
JDoom Caldari Science and Trade Institute	Posted - 2006.12.18 12:25:00 - [139] "Never think that war, No matter how necessary, Nor how justified, is not a crime."
Juan Andalusian TAOSP Band of Brothers	Posted - 2006.12.18 12:27:00 - [140] Originally by: Drake Mezcal No thanks, we'll wait for the 11th final warning Station Hugger Extraordinaire. Originally by: Malachon Draco Heh. Every time I wonder whether this war is still worth fighting, I come about a post like this and it strengthens my resolve, thanks Avon. Haxsploit Whiner Specialist Originally by: RemDakar we're not allowed to leave? Awwwwwwww Mr. "1 Frig Kill - 1 BS Loss" so far in this war. You guys should be leading ASCN. Pain is meant to be felt
OozoO Caldari Decadence. Dusk and Dawn	Posted - 2006.12.18 12:33:00 - [141] Originally by: SirMolle Your call. 72 hours are starting. Tick Tock.
Reto The Last Resort	Posted - 2006.12.18 13:23:00 - [142] Originally by: Mud Pandemonium Edited by: Mud Pandemonium on 18/12/2006 10:57:59 Originally by: Brunswick2 I take it that you don't like ASCN? I loathe ASCN. I wish to see you and your brethren purged from EVE like the cancer you are. Every system you inhabit now belongs to Band of Brothers or any other Alliance that chooses to make their home there. It's not so much that Band of Brothers totally obliterates you. I want them to break your spirit. I want them to destroy your EVE livelihood. I want to watch as they rend your alliance limb from limb. You and the rest of ASCN should be forced into mining and manufacturing for other alliances. Every POS you established should be purged. Every ship you own should be demolished. I get a small smile knowing that you and the rest of the wretched filth known as ASCN are being slowly and mercilessly crushed. ASCN has nothing to look to now but their own oblivion. Give my regards to obscurity. so much hate and brownnosing in one post, how efficient of u Originally by: s4mp3r0r "Hey man, you're mom has a cruise missile".
Rift Scorn Caldari Black Nova Corp Band of Brothers	Posted - 2006.12.18 13:34:00 - [143] Originally by: Needer Edited by: Needer on 18/12/2006 10:38:45 Originally by: Darcuese Garbage is there to be cleaned. Nothing wierd about it, tbh The fact that you are still here proves the exact opposite! Go on! Take out your frustration by NAP'ing somebody else. Your friendly clone activation expert, free of service to the eve community since '03
s4mp3r0r ZiTek Prime Orbital Systems	Posted - 2006.12.18 13:35:00 - [144] Originally by: Reto Originally by: s4mp3r0r "Hey man, you're mom has a cruise missile" And thats the way u ninja your way a few pages to the front of BoB and ASCN posts, news still at nine.
Evil Thug Rage and Terror Against ALL Authorities	Posted - 2006.12.18 13:35:00 - [145] Edited by: Evil Thug on 18/12/2006 13:34:58 Originally by: Mud Pandemonium Originally by: killerco why so much hate for ascn? You and your ilk refuse to see the grudging truth before you. I seek to open your eyes to the reality that is your futile existence. The space you so quaintly refer to as your own no longer belongs to you. For all intents and purposes you were squatting from the start. You, and everyone still loyal to ASCN should be forced into slavery to serve warring factions of worth. ASCN as an alliance has no worth, the space you call home is going to waste because ASCN simply refuses to come to terms with their own inevitable death. Those of you who refuse the new order as it is should be slaughtered and banished to the furthest reaches of the EVE universe, it is a new dawn. Your ships should be given to factions that could use them, your resources, your very livelihood. No one in EVE will grieve for you. No one will remember ASCN. Every day another salvo of destruction is fired into the heart of ASCN. Another ship torn asunder by enemy fire. Everyday that passes Band of Brothers tightens the vice around the pathetic notion of ASCN. ASCN is a failed ideal. ASCN is a cancer, a parasite, a virus, a disease. There is but one course of action. Your total and utter annihilation. Even then it won't be enough, the blow against Cyvok brought me much joy. Why? When I was shown his forum post I laughed, I laughed knowing he was broken. He will spend the rest of his EVE life in Empire trying to make a buck. The rest of you should suffer the same fate, Band of Brothers should not only destroy your material assets, but break your spirits as well. My hate won't stop until ASCN has been purged from EVE, its not enough that you're the laughingstock of the game, it is not enough that everyday Band of Brothers hurls a fist into your alliances collective face.. You must be broken. OK. You are writing our next press release !
PleXD Caldari STK Scientific Ascendant Frontier	Posted - 2006.12.18 13:44:00 - [146] Originally by: Mud Pandemonium Originally by: killerco why so much hate for ascn? You and your ilk refuse to see the grudging truth before you. I seek to open your eyes to the reality that is your futile existence. The space you so quaintly refer to as your own no longer belongs to you. For all intents and purposes you were squatting from the start. You, and everyone still loyal to ASCN should be forced into slavery to serve warring factions of worth. ASCN as an alliance has no worth, the space you call home is going to waste because ASCN simply refuses to come to terms with their own inevitable death. Those of you who refuse the new order as it is should be slaughtered and banished to the furthest reaches of the EVE universe, it is a new dawn. Your ships should be given to factions that could use them, your resources, your very livelihood. No one in EVE will grieve for you. No one will remember ASCN. Every day another salvo of destruction is fired into the heart of ASCN. Another ship torn asunder by enemy fire. Everyday that passes Band of Brothers tightens the vice around the pathetic notion of ASCN. ASCN is a failed ideal. ASCN is a cancer, a parasite, a virus, a disease. There is but one course of action. Your total and utter annihilation. Even then it won't be enough, the blow against Cyvok brought me much joy. Why? When I was shown his forum post I laughed, I laughed knowing he was broken. He will spend the rest of his EVE life in Empire trying to make a buck. The rest of you should suffer the same fate, Band of Brothers should not only destroy your material assets, but break your spirits as well. My hate won't stop until ASCN has been purged from EVE, its not enough that you're the laughingstock of the game, it is not enough that everyday Band of Brothers hurls a fist into your alliances collective face.. You must be broken. Oh oh!! this is GOLD! \o/ hahahahaha whens the next edition coming out?? Please tell us how much you hate us again?? please? /emote gets the tape recorder ready they are going to love this back home... -------- Those Arn't the Roids we are looking for.
Rikeka Amarr Eye of God Axiom Empire	Posted - 2006.12.18 13:47:00 - [147] Originally by: Mud Pandemonium Originally by: killerco why so much hate for ascn? You and your ilk refuse to see the grudging truth before you. I seek to open your eyes to the reality that is your futile existence. The space you so quaintly refer to as your own no longer belongs to you. For all intents and purposes you were squatting from the start. You, and everyone still loyal to ASCN should be forced into slavery to serve warring factions of worth. ASCN as an alliance has no worth, the space you call home is going to waste because ASCN simply refuses to come to terms with their own inevitable death. Those of you who refuse the new order as it is should be slaughtered and banished to the furthest reaches of the EVE universe, it is a new dawn. Your ships should be given to factions that could use them, your resources, your very livelihood. No one in EVE will grieve for you. No one will remember ASCN. Every day another salvo of destruction is fired into the heart of ASCN. Another ship torn asunder by enemy fire. Everyday that passes Band of Brothers tightens the vice around the pathetic notion of ASCN. ASCN is a failed ideal. ASCN is a cancer, a parasite, a virus, a disease. There is but one course of action. Your total and utter annihilation. Even then it won't be enough, the blow against Cyvok brought me much joy. Why? When I was shown his forum post I laughed, I laughed knowing he was broken. He will spend the rest of his EVE life in Empire trying to make a buck. The rest of you should suffer the same fate, Band of Brothers should not only destroy your material assets, but break your spirits as well. My hate won't stop until ASCN has been purged from EVE, its not enough that you're the laughingstock of the game, it is not enough that everyday Band of Brothers hurls a fist into your alliances collective face.. You must be broken. MPOTY? ¿Moronic Post Of The Year¿ Not once have you explained why you hate ASCN, only that you ¿hate it so much¿. You have not explained why it is a failed ideal, a cancer, a parasite, etc, etc, etc, crap, crap, crap and more whatever crap you said. All your post has told us is that YOU (like ASCN cares) hate ASCN very much. In fact, SO much that I actually believe your level of hatred is unhealthy. CUVOK must have not invited you to the dance prom or something... Get over it. As for BoB... :P
Needer moon7empler Dusk and Dawn	Posted - 2006.12.18 13:52:00 - [148] Edited by: Needer on 18/12/2006 13:54:38 Originally by: Rift Scorn Originally by: Needer Edited by: Needer on 18/12/2006 10:38:45 Originally by: Darcuese Garbage is there to be cleaned. Nothing wierd about it, tbh The fact that you are still here proves the exact opposite! Go on! Take out your frustration by NAP'ing somebody else. You should not gather from yourself to others! And the fact that you are fighting ASCN is the best proof that you are only able to win against caerbears....., and this still takes more than 2 month now!
Darcuese Destructive Influence Band of Brothers	Posted - 2006.12.18 13:54:00 - [149] Originally by: Needer Originally by: Rift Scorn Originally by: Needer Edited by: Needer on 18/12/2006 10:38:45 Originally by: Darcuese Garbage is there to be cleaned. Nothing wierd about it, tbh The fact that you are still here proves the exact opposite! Go on! Take out your frustration by NAP'ing somebody else. You should not gather from yourself to others! And the fact that you are fighting ASCN is the best proof that you are only able to win against caerbears.....! We fight them...you nap them Darth Solo=McCready...in different package
Mud Pandemonium Rage and Terror Against ALL Authorities	Posted - 2006.12.18 13:56:00 - [150] Originally by: PleXD Oh oh!! this is GOLD! \o/ hahahahaha whens the next edition coming out?? Please tell us how much you hate us again?? please? /emote gets the tape recorder ready they are going to love this back home... Is that the best you've got? I'd lock you into a battle of wits here but I'm afraid with you it'd be a bit like sandblasting a soup *****er. Try to remember that "back home" no longer belongs to you. Try to remember that you are now property of Band of Brothers. They are the victors, to the victors go the spoils. You would be so lucky as to enter into conscription. Although, with a wit as sharp as yours I'm sure you'd make a brilliant tactician.
DB Preacher Reikoku Band of Brothers	Posted - 2006.12.18 14:00:00 - [151] Originally by: Needer We ingore them cause they are caerbears not worth a target. But as BOB attack them it seems their pvp abilities are a challenge for BOB pvper average level! You obviously haven't been in D2 for very long have you Come back when you have learnt your history. dbp Caldari Alliance PVP Championship Winner Current RKK Ranking: (PSCAL6) Proficient Short Tanto
Fred0 Cutting Edge Incorporated RAZOR Alliance	Posted - 2006.12.18 14:01:00 - [152] Originally by: DB Preacher After all, you had to turn and run from ASCN after they pwned your asses last year. As much as it hurts to say it. They didn't. You and them did it together.:) Bloody nap monkeys :) The second you left though ASCN got *****slapped out of EC.
Bizarre TAOSP	Posted - 2006.12.18 14:02:00 - [153] Originally by: Needer We ingore them cause they are caerbears not worth a target. But as BOB attack them it seems their pvp abilities are a challenge for BOB pvper average level! You also ignore us and every other major entity in EvE. Perhaps the only worthwhile targets are the asteroids in Branch? As said earlier, we were debating whether to attack ASCN or D2. As you can tell, ASCN was our first pick since you guys were just not up to par. --------------------
Needer moon7empler Dusk and Dawn	Posted - 2006.12.18 14:02:00 - [154] Edited by: Needer on 18/12/2006 14:03:46 Originally by: DB Preacher Edited by: DB Preacher on 18/12/2006 13:57:01 Originally by: Needer You should not gather from yourself to others! And the fact that you are fighting ASCN is the best proof that you are only able to win against caerbears....., and this still takes more than 2 month now! tbh, I don't think D2 should be commenting on ASCN. After all, you had to turn and run from ASCN after they pwned your asses last year. dbp DB teacher....you re really cute, I think you deserve something sepcial....lets see?! I will make you my first clown here on the forum. From now on, you are allowed to entertain me on the forums and to post for my amusement! Edit: I was in G while attacking ASCN, but while you are here to belive your own roleplaying fantasy, I am fully aware of what happend and what not. You can proof your altered realities as long as you like!
Angelus X Reikoku Band of Brothers	Posted - 2006.12.18 14:04:00 - [155] Originally by: Fred0 Originally by: DB Preacher After all, you had to turn and run from ASCN after they pwned your asses last year. As much as it hurts to say it. They didn't. You and them did it together.:) Bloody nap monkeys :) The second you left though ASCN got *****slapped out of EC. Not 100% sure, but I think dbp might be referring to the invasion of ASCN by G/IRON/co. ? -----
DB Preacher Reikoku Band of Brothers	Posted - 2006.12.18 14:05:00 - [156] Originally by: Fred0 Originally by: DB Preacher After all, you had to turn and run from ASCN after they pwned your asses last year. As much as it hurts to say it. They didn't. You and them did it together.:) Bloody nap monkeys :) The second you left though ASCN got ***slapped out of EC. Ah, I wasn't even talking about EC :X I was more thinking about when D2 had to turn tail and run from AZN after losing all their pos down there at christmas time ;) dbp Caldari Alliance PVP Championship Winner Current RKK Ranking: (PSCAL6) Proficient Short Tanto**
Crucifier The Collective Against ALL Authorities	Posted - 2006.12.18 14:06:00 - [157] Edited by: Crucifier on 18/12/2006 14:07:20 Originally by: Bizarre Originally by: Needer We ingore them cause they are caerbears not worth a target. But as BOB attack them it seems their pvp abilities are a challenge for BOB pvper average level! You also ignore us and every other major entity in EvE. Perhaps the only worthwhile targets are the asteroids in Branch? As said earlier, we were debating whether to attack ASCN or D2. As you can tell, ASCN was our first pick since you guys were just not up to par. You have no right to say anything about mining you arrogant *****, you have 730 kills on the bob killboard for the past 2 years and 3months. Go back to mining. ------ Your signature is too large. Please see the Forum Rules for the limits - Serathu ([email protected])
Rikeka Amarr Eye of God Axiom Empire	Posted - 2006.12.18 14:06:00 - [158] Originally by: Mud Pandemonium Edited by: Mud Pandemonium on 18/12/2006 13:57:52 Originally by: PleXD Oh oh!! this is GOLD! \o/ hahahahaha whens the next edition coming out?? Please tell us how much you hate us again?? please? /emote gets the tape recorder ready they are going to love this back home... Is that the best you've got? I'd lock you into a battle of wits here but I'm afraid with you it'd be a bit like sandblasting a soup ***er. Try to remember that "back home" no longer belongs to you. Try to remember that you are now property of Band of Brothers. They are the victors, to the victors go the spoils. You would be so lucky as to enter into conscription. Although, with a wit as sharp as yours I'm sure you'd make a brilliant tactician. And, Rikeka.. you've got quite an attitude considering we're in the midst of crushing you. Dude, you can say whatever you want. THIS ONE is a free world, you know. I`m not talking about the game here. I`m talking about the complete crap you just posted. For example: Quote:** Try to remember that "back home" no longer belongs to you. Try to remember that you are now property of Band of Brothers. They are the victors, to the victors go the spoils. You would be so lucky as to enter into conscription. WTF? I mean, dude, no offense. Great vocabulary. But, again, where is the reason you hate ASCN so much? Aside of that... eh?... Nice post? (apart of the fact, BoB does not control them, they can just move away)
Crucifier The Collective Against ALL Authorities	Posted - 2006.12.18 14:07:00 - [159] Originally by: Rikeka Originally by: Mud Pandemonium Edited by: Mud Pandemonium on 18/12/2006 13:57:52 Originally by: PleXD Oh oh!! this is GOLD! \o/ hahahahaha whens the next edition coming out?? Please tell us how much you hate us again?? please? /emote gets the tape recorder ready they are going to love this back home... Is that the best you've got? I'd lock you into a battle of wits here but I'm afraid with you it'd be a bit like sandblasting a soup ***er. Try to remember that "back home" no longer belongs to you. Try to remember that you are now property of Band of Brothers. They are the victors, to the victors go the spoils. You would be so lucky as to enter into conscription. Although, with a wit as sharp as yours I'm sure you'd make a brilliant tactician. And, Rikeka.. you've got quite an attitude considering we're in the midst of crushing you. Dude, you can say whatever you want. THIS ONE is a free world, you know. I`m not talking about the game here. I`m talking about the complete crap you just posted. For example: Quote:** Try to remember that "back home" no longer belongs to you. Try to remember that you are now property of Band of Brothers. They are the victors, to the victors go the spoils. You would be so lucky as to enter into conscription. WTF? I mean, dude, no offense. Great vocabulary. But, again, where is the reason you hate ASCN so much? Aside of that... eh?... Nice post? (apart of the fact, BoB does not control them, they can just move away) Your sig is going to get nerfed. ------ Your signature is too large. Please see the Forum Rules for the limits - Serathu ([email protected])
Rikeka Amarr Eye of God Axiom Empire	Posted - 2006.12.18 14:09:00 - [160] I know. It sucks anyway.
Fred0 Cutting Edge Incorporated RAZOR Alliance	Posted - 2006.12.18 14:09:00 - [161] Edited by: Fred0 on 18/12/2006 14:12:47 Originally by: DB Preacher I was more thinking about when D2 had to turn tail and run from AZN after losing all their pos down there at christmas time ;) That was because you bailed them out by going to deklein and taking the outpost up there. The difference between you and us is that we won't lift a finger to save ASCN whereas you've done it repeatedly just to tear it down in the end.
Mud Pandemonium Rage and Terror Against ALL Authorities	Posted - 2006.12.18 14:10:00 - [162] Edited by: Mud Pandemonium on 18/12/2006 14:11:47 Rikeka, are you bereft of any sort of reading comprehension skills at all? I hate ASCN because they are a cancer, because they are parasites. Or were you seeking some deeper answer, perhaps I was crossed by ASCN before? Nothing of the sort. I hate ASCN because of what they are, if you cannot accept that then you are just as blind as they are. Please spare me the cry that the world we live in is free, that is a debate for another time and place. The truth of the matter is plain for all those to see. ASCN has been dominated by a superior alliance. They are now property of that superior alliance.
Dawn Princess eXceed Inc. Ascendant Frontier	Posted - 2006.12.18 14:11:00 - [163] Originally by: weedmasta you are basically doing what BoB wants you to do err I thought that was you guys, you know, sitting in a pet alliance, not bothring the landlord with complaints about leaky toilets just sitting there paying the rent and being no bother
Rikeka Amarr Eye of God Axiom Empire	Posted - 2006.12.18 14:13:00 - [164] So you hate ASCN because ¿they are a cancer, and/or a parasite¿ Dude... WTF? That`s not an answer... But I`ll bait, and ask... A cancer where? To whom? Why?
Bizarre TAOSP	Posted - 2006.12.18 14:13:00 - [165] Originally by: Crucifier Edited by: Crucifier on 18/12/2006 14:07:20 Originally by: Bizarre Originally by: Needer We ingore them cause they are caerbears not worth a target. But as BOB attack them it seems their pvp abilities are a challenge for BOB pvper average level! You also ignore us and every other major entity in EvE. Perhaps the only worthwhile targets are the asteroids in Branch? As said earlier, we were debating whether to attack ASCN or D2. As you can tell, ASCN was our first pick since you guys were just not up to par. You have no right to say anything about mining you arrogant *****, you have 730 kills on the bob killboard for the past 2 years and 3months. Go back to mining. Oh this is grand! A man which used to belong to the failure known as Station Alliance coming to these boards to tell me I don't PVP. Let me inform you oh unknowing warrior. First of all, I have 4 accounts of which Bizarre is my capital ship pilot and thus he is mostly involved in killing POSes and other pretty structures. Second, despite Bizarre being a capital ship pilot he is still ranked #42 on the BoB killboard overall. Please go back to flying your frigate and pretending that you're hurting someone's industrial backbone. You do not belong on these forums. --------------------
Blacklight Black Nova Corp Band of Brothers	Posted - 2006.12.18 14:13:00 - [166] Originally by: Fred0 Originally by: DB Preacher I was more thinking about when D2 had to turn tail and run from AZN after losing all their pos down there at christmas time ;) That was because you bailed them out by going to deklein and taking the outpost up there. That was IRON's station, not G's. Wasn't our fault that IRON couldn't fight their way out of a paperbag without G's help Blog
Evil Thug Rage and Terror Against ALL Authorities	Posted - 2006.12.18 14:15:00 - [167] Originally by: Rikeka WTF? I mean, dude, no offense. Great vocabulary. But, again, where is the reason you hate ASCN so much? Aside of that... eh?... Nice post? (apart of the fact, BoB does not control them, they can just move away) He is just having a laugh from you. While you are taking forums faaaar to seriously.
Dawn Princess eXceed Inc. Ascendant Frontier	Posted - 2006.12.18 14:16:00 - [168] Originally by: Mud Pandemonium However, you are at war with AAA so you will see the light soon enough. Is this all because we blew up your capital shipyards? No, wait that wasn't us. So what exactly did you do the group that perpetrated that particular ***** slap on you again? Oh yeah, nothing.
Mud Pandemonium Rage and Terror Against ALL Authorities	Posted - 2006.12.18 14:17:00 - [169] Thug keeps me on a long leash.
Crucifier The Collective Against ALL Authorities	Posted - 2006.12.18 14:17:00 - [170] Originally by: Bizarre Originally by: Crucifier Edited by: Crucifier on 18/12/2006 14:07:20 Originally by: Bizarre Originally by: Needer We ingore them cause they are caerbears not worth a target. But as BOB attack them it seems their pvp abilities are a challenge for BOB pvper average level! You also ignore us and every other major entity in EvE. Perhaps the only worthwhile targets are the asteroids in Branch? As said earlier, we were debating whether to attack ASCN or D2. As you can tell, ASCN was our first pick since you guys were just not up to par. You have no right to say anything about mining you arrogant *****, you have 730 kills on the bob killboard for the past 2 years and 3months. Go back to mining. Oh this is grand! A man which used to belong to the failure known as Station Alliance coming to these boards to tell me I don't PVP. Let me inform you oh unknowing warrior. First of all, I have 4 accounts of which Bizarre is my capital ship pilot and thus he is mostly involved in killing POSes and other pretty structures. Second, despite Bizarre being a capital ship pilot he is still ranked #42 on the BoB killboard overall. Please go back to flying your frigate and pretending that you're hurting someone's industrial backbone. You do not belong on these forums. I will bet you all my isk i have more kills then you this year then you have on all your accounts the past 2 years, so shove it up your ass. ------ Your signature is too large. Please see the Forum Rules for the limits - Serathu ([email protected])
Rikeka Amarr Eye of God Axiom Empire	Posted - 2006.12.18 14:19:00 - [171] Originally by: Evil Thug Originally by: Rikeka WTF? I mean, dude, no offense. Great vocabulary. But, again, where is the reason you hate ASCN so much? Aside of that... eh?... Nice post? (apart of the fact, BoB does not control them, they can just move away) He is just having a laugh from you. While you are taking forums faaaar to seriously. He is? Aaaaah, thanks. Must admit I was starting to worry. For a sec, I though he was serious. Must admit, lot of work for a joke. :) See ya in the game.
Mud Pandemonium Rage and Terror Against ALL Authorities	Posted - 2006.12.18 14:20:00 - [172] Originally by: Dawn Princess Originally by: Mud Pandemonium However, you are at war with AAA so you will see the light soon enough. Is this all because we blew up your capital shipyards? No, wait that wasn't us. So what exactly did you do the group that perpetrated that particular ***** slap on you again? Oh yeah, nothing. That wasn't my call. If you do not like how I treat ASCN and their members I suggest you leave these forums. I give no quarter to those I hold a burning hatred for. If you expect me to change my tune and treat any ASCN member with one iota of respect.. well I think you should wish in one hand, defecate in the other. See which fills first.
Rikeka Amarr Eye of God Axiom Empire	Posted - 2006.12.18 14:22:00 - [173] Edited by: Rikeka on 18/12/2006 14:22:55 Originally by: Mud Pandemonium Originally by: Dawn Princess Originally by: Mud Pandemonium However, you are at war with AAA so you will see the light soon enough. Is this all because we blew up your capital shipyards? No, wait that wasn't us. So what exactly did you do the group that perpetrated that particular *** slap on you again? Oh yeah, nothing. That wasn't my call. If you do not like how I treat ASCN and their members I suggest you leave these forums. I give no quarter to those I hold a burning hatred for. If you expect me to change my tune and treat any ASCN member with one iota of respect.. well I think you should wish in one hand, defecate in the other. See which fills first. Seee? Aaaaaah! Burning hatred! Burning hatred!** Everyone scram! Hatred on the forums! Call CONCORD!
DarK STK Scientific	Posted - 2006.12.18 14:24:00 - [174] Originally by: Mud Pandemonium Originally by: killerco why so much hate for ascn? You and your ilk refuse to see the grudging truth before you. I seek to open your eyes to the reality that is your futile existence. The space you so quaintly refer to as your own no longer belongs to you. For all intents and purposes you were squatting from the start. You, and everyone still loyal to ASCN should be forced into slavery to serve warring factions of worth. ASCN as an alliance has no worth, the space you call home is going to waste because ASCN simply refuses to come to terms with their own inevitable death. Those of you who refuse the new order as it is should be slaughtered and banished to the furthest reaches of the EVE universe, it is a new dawn. Your ships should be given to factions that could use them, your resources, your very livelihood. No one in EVE will grieve for you. No one will remember ASCN. Every day another salvo of destruction is fired into the heart of ASCN. Another ship torn asunder by enemy fire. Everyday that passes Band of Brothers tightens the vice around the pathetic notion of ASCN. ASCN is a failed ideal. ASCN is a cancer, a parasite, a virus, a disease. There is but one course of action. Your total and utter annihilation. Even then it won't be enough, the blow against Cyvok brought me much joy. Why? When I was shown his forum post I laughed, I laughed knowing he was broken. He will spend the rest of his EVE life in Empire trying to make a buck. The rest of you should suffer the same fate, Band of Brothers should not only destroy your material assets, but break your spirits as well. My hate won't stop until ASCN has been purged from EVE, its not enough that you're the laughingstock of the game, it is not enough that everyday Band of Brothers hurls a fist into your alliances collective face.. You must be broken. buhu
jeNK Caldari STK Scientific Ascendant Frontier	Posted - 2006.12.18 14:25:00 - [175] Originally by: Mud Pandemonium Edited by: Mud Pandemonium on 18/12/2006 14:11:47 Rikeka, are you bereft of any sort of reading comprehension skills at all? I hate ASCN because they are a cancer, because they are parasites. Or were you seeking some deeper answer, perhaps I was crossed by ASCN before? Nothing of the sort. I hate ASCN because of what they are, if you cannot accept that then you are just as blind as they are. Please spare me the cry that the world we live in is free, that is a debate for another time and place. The truth of the matter is plain for all those to see. ASCN has been dominated by a superior alliance. They are now property of that superior alliance. NEWSFLASH: The war hasn't finished yet. I'll be the first to admit we're getting spanked, but the fat lady hasn't sung yet.. And WE are the parasites?! Haven't you got a complex to run in someone elses region?
Fred0 Cutting Edge Incorporated RAZOR Alliance	Posted - 2006.12.18 14:25:00 - [176] Originally by: Blacklight That was IRON's station, not G's. Wasn't our fault that IRON couldn't fight their way out of a paperbag without G's help Some of the best fights you guys have ever had have been against the GIRON combo......... Infact you've repeatedly complimented them for that. Just because the shoe doesn't fit now :)
Rikeka Amarr Eye of God Axiom Empire	Posted - 2006.12.18 14:28:00 - [177] I hereby claim this is MY thread now. I don`t want anyone here except me, my crappy sig... and... Dunno, I forgot the joke. Damn... I assure you, it was funny.
Mud Pandemonium Rage and Terror Against ALL Authorities	Posted - 2006.12.18 14:32:00 - [178] Originally by: jeNK Originally by: Mud Pandemonium Edited by: Mud Pandemonium on 18/12/2006 14:11:47 Rikeka, are you bereft of any sort of reading comprehension skills at all? I hate ASCN because they are a cancer, because they are parasites. Or were you seeking some deeper answer, perhaps I was crossed by ASCN before? Nothing of the sort. I hate ASCN because of what they are, if you cannot accept that then you are just as blind as they are. Please spare me the cry that the world we live in is free, that is a debate for another time and place. The truth of the matter is plain for all those to see. ASCN has been dominated by a superior alliance. They are now property of that superior alliance. NEWSFLASH: The war hasn't finished yet. I'll be the first to admit we're getting spanked, but the fat lady hasn't sung yet.. And WE are the parasites?! Haven't you got a complex to run in someone elses region? You are the only alliance in EVE that believes that. You let your pathetic notion of loyalty blind you to the fact that you have been dominated outright by Band of Brothers. You would stand and tell me that there is some hope left for ASCN? You are a fool. This is not a movie with a happy ending. There is NO plot twist in the script that is ASCNs demise. No cavalry, no deus ex machina. Open your eyes you ignorant fool, ASCN is nothing more than a bump on the road to progress.
Needer moon7empler Dusk and Dawn	Posted - 2006.12.18 14:50:00 - [179] Edited by: Needer on 18/12/2006 14:52:05 Originally by: DB Preacher Originally by: Needer We ingore them cause they are caerbears not worth a target. But as BOB attack them it seems their pvp abilities are a challenge for BOB pvper average level! You obviously haven't been in D2 for very long have you Come back when you have learnt your history. dbp go ingame, right click show info on my character, post your proof that i am not long in D2 (and G) with a screenshot of my employment history here in forum, verify your so called spy network. I would have expect, that you are doing your homework better
DeadDuck Omega Enterprises Dusk and Dawn	Posted - 2006.12.18 15:01:00 - [180] Originally by: Bizarre As said earlier, we were debating whether to attack ASCN or D2. As you can tell, ASCN was our first pick since you guys were just not up to par.
Sionn Klorgh Minmatar Celestial Fleet Ascendant Frontier	Posted - 2006.12.18 15:07:00 - [181] Quote: You are the only alliance in EVE that believes that. You let your pathetic notion of loyalty blind you to the fact that you have been dominated outright by Band of Brothers. You would stand and tell me that there is some hope left for ASCN? You are a fool. This is not a movie with a happy ending. There is NO plot twist in the script that is ASCNs demise. No cavalry, no deus ex machina. Open your eyes you ignorant fool, ASCN is nothing more than a bump on the road to progress. There is a good deal that ASCN did first in this game. However, its a characteristic of simplistic folks such as yourself that everything seems to be measured only in terms of the effectiveness of death and destruction. At least AAA will finally start to own some shootable real estate and no doubt I'll be back here laughing in the future when your overrun by 'progress'.
DB Preacher Reikoku Band of Brothers	Posted - 2006.12.18 15:08:00 - [182] Originally by: DeadDuck Originally by: Bizarre As said earlier, we were debating whether to attack ASCN or D2. As you can tell, ASCN was our first pick since you guys were just not up to par. It's funny coz it's true! dbp Caldari Alliance PVP Championship Winner Current RKK Ranking: (PSCAL6) Proficient Short Tanto
T'Ali Gallente Lynx Frontier Inc. Ascendant Frontier	Posted - 2006.12.18 15:10:00 - [183] two words for SirMolle Blow Me
jeNK Caldari STK Scientific Ascendant Frontier	Posted - 2006.12.18 15:14:00 - [184] Edited by: jeNK on 18/12/2006 15:15:26 Originally by: Mud Pandemonium <snip> How can you, who freely admitted, has "been hugging empire space" until just a few days ago, can have any idea of what's going on in the second furthest from empire region in the eve galaxy? The forums? Please.. anyone with half an ounce of inteligence will know anything posted, by anyone and everyone here will have bias, missing details and all sorts. So let's see.. it's been, what, 3 months since the beginning.. and we've lost control of ~5 stations and outposts in those 3 months. We still have the other ~15 or so to play with... total domination? Not yet. Complete control of us? Hardly. So what makes us a cancer? Did you not get accepted when you applied to join? Or were you in Tribe? EDIT: if anyone would care to correct my station/outpost numbers I will glady change them.
DeadDuck Omega Enterprises Dusk and Dawn	Posted - 2006.12.18 15:17:00 - [185] Originally by: DB Preacher Originally by: DeadDuck Originally by: Bizarre As said earlier, we were debating whether to attack ASCN or D2. As you can tell, ASCN was our first pick since you guys were just not up to par. It's funny coz it's true! dbp Who would say ?.. you guys actually have a sense of humour
Yazoul Samaiel Caldari Black Nova Corp Band of Brothers	Posted - 2006.12.18 15:23:00 - [186] Originally by: Crucifier Originally by: Bizarre Originally by: Crucifier Edited by: Crucifier on 18/12/2006 14:07:20 Originally by: Bizarre Originally by: Needer We ingore them cause they are caerbears not worth a target. But as BOB attack them it seems their pvp abilities are a challenge for BOB pvper average level! You also ignore us and every other major entity in EvE. Perhaps the only worthwhile targets are the asteroids in Branch? As said earlier, we were debating whether to attack ASCN or D2. As you can tell, ASCN was our first pick since you guys were just not up to par. You have no right to say anything about mining you arrogant ***, you have 730 kills on the bob killboard for the past 2 years and 3months. Go back to mining. Oh this is grand! A man which used to belong to the failure known as Station Alliance coming to these boards to tell me I don't PVP. Let me inform you oh unknowing warrior. First of all, I have 4 accounts of which Bizarre is my capital ship pilot and thus he is mostly involved in killing POSes and other pretty structures. Second, despite Bizarre being a capital ship pilot he is still ranked #42 on the BoB killboard overall. Please go back to flying your frigate and pretending that you're hurting someone's industrial backbone. You do not belong on these forums. I will bet you all my isk i have more kills then you this year then you have on all your accounts the past 2 years, so shove it up your ass. Are you retarded? Did you even read what he wrote? Any monkey flying aabond can rackup more frags more than you already have, but in your case you just have to come and wiggle about it and thinking your some sort of uberl333tomgwtfbbqqer or something and can talk to anyone . Tbh i doubt you even do anything more than just gloating on ur own kills and if your alliance hits any sort of bump you will be one of the first ppl to leave as all killmail jockeys do. And as far as the manner you talk with , it realy shows what lvl of maturity and quality person you realy are and i sense a nice forum warning coming your way so enjoy "Lord Samaiel, Rise "** BNC Vs CELES Video
Velios M. Corp Lotka Volterra	Posted - 2006.12.18 15:31:00 - [187] Originally by: Yazoul Samaiel Are you retarded? I hate that. M.Corp BPC Packages
Needer moon7empler Dusk and Dawn	Posted - 2006.12.18 15:32:00 - [188] Originally by: Yazoul Samaiel And as far as the manner you talk with , it realy shows what lvl of maturity and quality person you realy are and i sense a nice forum warning coming your way so enjoy He is only roleplaying....if you do not understand this, go to dbteacher for a lesson of "the basics of roleplaying". No need to make RL comparisons!
Bizarre TAOSP	Posted - 2006.12.18 15:37:00 - [189] Originally by: Needer Originally by: Yazoul Samaiel And as far as the manner you talk with , it realy shows what lvl of maturity and quality person you realy are and i sense a nice forum warning coming your way so enjoy He is only roleplaying....if you do not understand this, go to dbteacher for a lesson of "the basics of roleplaying". No need to make RL comparisons! I think you should be a little more careful with what you're saying. DBP might call the police on you! --------------------
Yazoul Samaiel Caldari Black Nova Corp Band of Brothers	Posted - 2006.12.18 15:38:00 - [190] Originally by: Needer Originally by: Yazoul Samaiel And as far as the manner you talk with , it realy shows what lvl of maturity and quality person you realy are and i sense a nice forum warning coming your way so enjoy He is only roleplaying....if you do not understand this, go to dbteacher for a lesson of "the basics of roleplaying". No need to make RL comparisons! Last i checked personal insults is not roleplaying and it gets you warnings and possible ban from ISD and tbh if this is the sort of roleplaying ppl want to do then this game is realy going down the drain coz the next posts will see from now on will be as the following: "omg we wtfpwned those damn idiot morons" "sitck it up ur bum u retarded ****z" "our alliance can u up any day " Are you seriously considering this sort of manner to be role playing ? I hope not . This is nothing more than retarded and childish trash talk. "Lord Samaiel, Rise "** BNC Vs CELES Video
Otto Torivus Species 5618 Ascendant Frontier	Posted - 2006.12.18 15:38:00 - [191] I was going to make another joke but people are just angry now. Very angry indeed. You need to all stop stiring up the BoB folk this way. When ever you do this they beat us with whips. Make us do there laundry, wash the dishes, kick our dogs and turn our stations into shelters for the homeless. Please stop thinking homless in EVE just this once. Four out of five Minmatar say the signature sucks. Film at eleven.
Crucifier The Collective Against ALL Authorities	Posted - 2006.12.18 16:22:00 - [192] Originally by: Yazoul Samaiel Are you retarded? Did you even read what he wrote? Any monkey flying a**abond can rackup more frags more than you already have, but in your case you just have to come and wiggle about it and thinking your some sort of uberl333tomgwtfbbqqer or something and can talk to anyone . Tbh i doubt you even do anything more than just gloating on ur own kills and if your alliance hits any sort of bump you will be one of the first ppl to leave as all killmail jockeys do. And as far as the manner you talk with , it realy shows what lvl of maturity and quality person you realy are and i sense a nice forum warning coming your way so enjoy Im quite not retarted. I am only trying to put that arrogant peace of that Bizarre is back in his place. Leave at the first sight of bump? I didint leave "station alliance" as you pronounce it did i? Go ** a goat. ------ Your signature is too large. Please see the Forum Rules for the limits - Serathu ([email protected])
Crean NaVar Cataclysm Enterprises Dusk and Dawn	Posted - 2006.12.18 16:35:00 - [193] Originally by: DB Preacher After all, you had to turn and run from ASCN after they pwned your asses last year. Ah, I wasn't even talking about EC :X I was more thinking about when D2 had to turn tail and run from AZN after losing all their pos down there at christmas time ;) dbp And we ran aaaaaaall the way back north... ...to beat the living crap out of you in Deklein. Don¦t like that part, hmm? You always leave it out when you tell the fairy tale of "How [G] got beaten by ASCN".
Apollo Balthar Minmatar The Sausage Smuggling Syndicate	Posted - 2006.12.18 16:56:00 - [194] Originally by: killerco Originally by: Mud Pandemonium Edited by: Mud Pandemonium on 18/12/2006 10:57:59 Originally by: Brunswick2 I take it that you don't like ASCN? I loathe ASCN. I wish to see you and your brethren purged from EVE like the cancer you are. Every system you inhabit now belongs to Band of Brothers or any other Alliance that chooses to make their home there. It's not so much that Band of Brothers totally obliterates you. I want them to break your spirit. I want them to destroy your EVE livelihood. I want to watch as they rend your alliance limb from limb. You and the rest of ASCN should be forced into mining and manufacturing for other alliances. Every POS you established should be purged. Every ship you own should be demolished. I get a small smile knowing that you and the rest of the wretched filth known as ASCN are being slowly and mercilessly crushed. ASCN has nothing to look to now but their own oblivion. Give my regards to obscurity. why so much hate for ascn? Don't ask him, ask yourself... ------------------------------------------------ WTS: tech2 clue
DB Preacher Reikoku Band of Brothers	Posted - 2006.12.18 17:00:00 - [195] Originally by: Crean NaVar Originally by: DB Preacher After all, you had to turn and run from ASCN after they pwned your asses last year. Ah, I wasn't even talking about EC :X I was more thinking about when D2 had to turn tail and run from AZN after losing all their pos down there at christmas time ;) dbp And we ran aaaaaaall the way back north... ...to beat the living crap out of you in Deklein. Don¦t like that part, hmm? You always leave it out when you tell the fairy tale of "How [G] got beaten by ASCN". yah that's what happened in your fairy tale because it certainly wasn't in any reality dbp Caldari Alliance PVP Championship Winner Current RKK Ranking: (PSCAL6) Proficient Short Tanto
Apollo Balthar Minmatar The Sausage Smuggling Syndicate	Posted - 2006.12.18 17:11:00 - [196] Originally by: Rikeka So you hate ASCN because ¿they are a cancer, and/or a parasite¿ Dude... WTF? That`s not an answer... But I`ll bait, and ask... A cancer where? To whom? Why? Re-read carefully and you will see he hates ASCN for what it is, no more, no less. No need to elaborate as it is not a rational but an emotional reason to hate. It is like asking a Spider why he hates a fly. ------------------------------------------------ WTS: tech2 clue
killerco Gallente Confederation of Red Moon Ascendant Frontier	Posted - 2006.12.18 17:12:00 - [197] Originally by: Mud Pandemonium Open your eyes you ignorant fool, ASCN is nothing more than a bump on the road to progress. I guess that means you won't fight for your home then! Its not ignorants that we keep on fighting its trying too defend our home. At least we can say we tried when we lose, i guess you won't even bother too defend your home. Don't be a great man just be a man
CDS Leader Caldari Eve Forum Warriors	Posted - 2006.12.18 17:15:00 - [198] Originally by: Apollo Balthar It is like asking a Spider why he hates a fly. In ASCN's case, the Spider became the fly. After Land Grabbing SA, SE and TS.... well, the less said the better
Ione Hunt Celestial Fleet Ascendant Frontier	Posted - 2006.12.18 17:17:00 - [199] Originally by: Mud Pandemonium Originally by: killerco why so much hate for ascn? You and your ilk refuse to see the grudging truth before you. I seek to open your eyes to the reality that is your futile existence. The space you so quaintly refer to as your own no longer belongs to you. For all intents and purposes you were squatting from the start. You, and everyone still loyal to ASCN should be forced into slavery to serve warring factions of worth. ASCN as an alliance has no worth, the space you call home is going to waste because ASCN simply refuses to come to terms with their own inevitable death. Those of you who refuse the new order as it is should be slaughtered and banished to the furthest reaches of the EVE universe, it is a new dawn. Your ships should be given to factions that could use them, your resources, your very livelihood. No one in EVE will grieve for you. No one will remember ASCN. Every day another salvo of destruction is fired into the heart of ASCN. Another ship torn asunder by enemy fire. Everyday that passes Band of Brothers tightens the vice around the pathetic notion of ASCN. ASCN is a failed ideal. ASCN is a cancer, a parasite, a virus, a disease. There is but one course of action. Your total and utter annihilation. Even then it won't be enough, the blow against Cyvok brought me much joy. Why? When I was shown his forum post I laughed, I laughed knowing he was broken. He will spend the rest of his EVE life in Empire trying to make a buck. The rest of you should suffer the same fate, Band of Brothers should not only destroy your material assets, but break your spirits as well. My hate won't stop until ASCN has been purged from EVE, its not enough that you're the laughingstock of the game, it is not enough that everyday Band of Brothers hurls a fist into your alliances collective face.. You must be broken. 1) Breathe 2) Lay down on your bed. 3) Get up from your bed...but this time NOT with the wrong foot. Come here, gimme a hug ________________________________________________
weedmasta Federation of Freedom Fighters Executive Outcomes	Posted - 2006.12.18 17:18:00 - [200] ASCN seems to be good at taking things out of context
Apollo Balthar Minmatar The Sausage Smuggling Syndicate	Posted - 2006.12.18 17:19:00 - [201] Originally by: jeNK Originally by: Mud Pandemonium Edited by: Mud Pandemonium on 18/12/2006 14:11:47 Rikeka, are you bereft of any sort of reading comprehension skills at all? I hate ASCN because they are a cancer, because they are parasites. Or were you seeking some deeper answer, perhaps I was crossed by ASCN before? Nothing of the sort. I hate ASCN because of what they are, if you cannot accept that then you are just as blind as they are. Please spare me the cry that the world we live in is free, that is a debate for another time and place. The truth of the matter is plain for all those to see. ASCN has been dominated by a superior alliance. They are now property of that superior alliance. NEWSFLASH: The war hasn't finished yet. I'll be the first to admit we're getting spanked, but the fat lady hasn't sung yet.. And WE are the parasites?! Haven't you got a complex to run in someone elses region? If he is running the complex there I dare questioning if that is someone else's region ------------------------------------------------ WTS: tech2 clue
Crean NaVar Cataclysm Enterprises Dusk and Dawn	Posted - 2006.12.18 17:21:00 - [202] Originally by: DB Preacher Originally by: Crean NaVar And we ran aaaaaaall the way back north... ...to beat the living crap out of you in Deklein. Don¦t like that part, hmm? You always leave it out when you tell the fairy tale of "How [G] got beaten by ASCN". yah that's what happened in your fairy tale because it certainly wasn't in any reality See, there¦s at least something we can agree on.
DB Preacher Reikoku Band of Brothers	Posted - 2006.12.18 17:27:00 - [203] Originally by: Crean NaVar Originally by: DB Preacher Originally by: Crean NaVar And we ran aaaaaaall the way back north... ...to beat the living crap out of you in Deklein. Don¦t like that part, hmm? You always leave it out when you tell the fairy tale of "How [G] got beaten by ASCN". yah that's what happened in your fairy tale because it certainly wasn't in any reality See, there¦s at least something we can agree on. /me checks killboard Nor my killboards reality! dbp Caldari Alliance PVP Championship Winner Current RKK Ranking: (PSCAL6) Proficient Short Tanto
Lag Fest Black Nova Corp Band of Brothers	Posted - 2006.12.18 17:35:00 - [204] It takes a bigger man to swing a bigger d. ehm i mean fly a bigger ship. If my memory serves me still this thread was about final days of ASCN not D2's failures. Move along and admire BoB. kthx _______________________________________
Evil Thug Rage and Terror Against ALL Authorities	Posted - 2006.12.18 17:42:00 - [205] Originally by: Sionn Klorgh At least AAA will finally start to own some shootable real estate Our goal of maitaining or attacking real estate - is to force people to attack or defence it -> pvp in result. Definately 'win-win' situation for us. Originally by: Sionn Klorgh and no doubt I'll be back here laughing in the future when your overrun by 'progress'. Do that in-game please. Get gang and be welcome to visit our real estate, with big siege toys. Don`t hesitate. "Just do it" (c)
Deirdre Skye Caldari Capital Traders	Posted - 2006.12.18 18:20:00 - [206] Edited by: Deirdre Skye on 18/12/2006 18:21:53 Originally by: Crean NaVar Originally by: DB Preacher After all, you had to turn and run from ASCN after they pwned your asses last year. Ah, I wasn't even talking about EC :X I was more thinking about when D2 had to turn tail and run from AZN after losing all their pos down there at christmas time ;) dbp And we ran aaaaaaall the way back north... ...to beat the living crap out of you in Deklein. Don¦t like that part, hmm? You always leave it out when you tell the fairy tale of "How [G] got beaten by ASCN". It was probably that which made a lot of ASCN think at the advent of this war that BOB was actually 'beatable'. I certainly did and so did many others we where filled with a giddy expectation that BoB would end up messed up. Handling G/IRON/RAZOR this time last year with some modicum of success & flourish probably fuelled the Hubris that ASCN had in this war.(ASCN>IRON&co>BOB) I think somewhere along the line : 1)ASCN perhaps declined/ lost some good players especially HC and FCs. and/or 2)BOB improved/gained some good players. 3) server stability ( I hate to mention it because it sounds rubbish but the servers where far superior back in those days compared to the early days of this war and superior servers means larger offensive less skilled groups are more effective.) The endless rounds of 70-0 battles made a lot of people lose faith. ASCN early battle in gq2 etc FC: okay jump in.. FC: okay everyone log out 2nd Dude: Don't worry the node went down you'll get refunded 3rd Dude: The node isn't down you won't get refunded. FC: okay don't log back in yet. Random Dude: *** ** In short: (Bob vs ASCN) crap attacking FC * poor server * huge numbers= disaster. (ASCN v iron/G) ok-good FC * good server * huge numbers = success even if its pyrhicc(sp??) Theres no excusing the FCs after they proceeded to do this a number of times. I listened in on a few of these battles and packed my things and left.
Bared Bel'Medar FATAL REVELATIONS	Posted - 2006.12.18 18:28:00 - [207] Originally by: Tholarim Originally by: Darkstar BP Originally by: SirMolle Leave in peace, with your head helds high, and with something left, or, dont leave at all, with nothing left. Some may be refused this offer. Most will not. Please tell us, who will you refuse this offer to leave? Reserved again eXceed inc. is hereby excluded from this offer. thnx for your time. Hem, where was the last time I saw thol let someone live ut of the kindness of his black decrepid blood pump? Wait.... I havent, sorry BTW thol, theres an error in your DICE sig. Theres some wooden shoes... shouldnt it be a stack of waffles? I touch myself
Crean NaVar Cataclysm Enterprises Dusk and Dawn	Posted - 2006.12.18 18:35:00 - [208] Originally by: DB Preacher /me checks killboard Nor my killboards reality! dbp I don¦t think you got my point there, nor do I consider your killboard the final word in terms of reality. Anyway, I¦m distracting you from your duties. Keep fighting your entertaining forum war against the hobbits.
welsh wizard Celestial Apocalypse Insurgency	Posted - 2006.12.18 22:55:00 - [209] Numero uno abusive moron lecturing others on forum courtesy. Comedy. Originally by: anonymous If you're being chased by a police dog, try not to go through a tunnel, then on to a little seesaw, then jump through a hoop of fire. They're trained for that.
Ab Initio Evolution Band of Brothers	Posted - 2006.12.19 00:04:00 - [210] 2006.12.18 23:46:04 Notify Phoenix belonging to nOrAb self-destructs.
Drake Mezcal eXceed Inc. Ascendant Frontier	Posted - 2006.12.19 00:07:00 - [211] Originally by: Ab Initio 2006.12.18 23:46:04 Notify Phoenix belonging to nOrAb self-destructs. Dam right, Who sed we had no isk left Props to BOB, you shifted 15 jumps very quickly
Crucifier The Collective Against ALL Authorities	Posted - 2006.12.19 00:08:00 - [212] Originally by: CDS Leader After Land Grabbing SA, SE Are you high? ------ Your signature is too large. Please see the Forum Rules for the limits - Serathu ([email protected])
Dracorimus Black Nova Corp Band of Brothers	Posted - 2006.12.19 00:15:00 - [213] Originally by: Drake Mezcal Originally by: Ab Initio 2006.12.18 23:46:04 Notify Phoenix belonging to nOrAb self-destructs. Dam right, Who sed we had no isk left Props to BOB, you shifted 15 jumps very quickly We iz in your PC's self destructing yo dreadz ! -
Aberash eXceed Inc. Ascendant Frontier	Posted - 2006.12.19 00:17:00 - [214] Originally by: Drake Mezcal Originally by: Ab Initio 2006.12.18 23:46:04 Notify Phoenix belonging to nOrAb self-destructs. Dam right, Who sed we had no isk left Props to BOB, you shifted 15 jumps very quickly LOL No killmail for the uber BoBzors to increase the size of their alliance epeen!!111
Robert Dobbs Evolution Band of Brothers	Posted - 2006.12.19 00:17:00 - [215] If it's not on the killboard, it didn't happen, right? Maybe ASCN will start self destructing their fleets pre-emptively :D - --------- snip - no profanity allowed in sigs, even if McCreedy said it - Tirg
Aberash eXceed Inc. Ascendant Frontier	Posted - 2006.12.19 00:18:00 - [216] Originally by: Robert Dobbs If it's not on the killboard, it didn't happen, right? Maybe ASCN will start self destructing their fleets pre-emptively :D Thats not a bad idea!
Earthan Gallente The Amazing Fire Eaters Breidablik	Posted - 2006.12.19 00:21:00 - [217] Since Dusk and Dawn are already involved in this thread... I was wondering many times why d2 hasnt attacked bob with full force when they were/are involved with ASCN. BOB will come for you, imho next.We all know they plan to conquesr all eve 0.0.I think you are hiding your head in the sand.Truth is most of 0.0 is. And BOB will come for us 1 at a time. I dont have reputation or time or strong allaince to form it , but truth is imho if someone doesnt form a coaltion or somethign we are more or less doomed in 0.0.Sure small allainces such as mine can awlys sneak and live here and there and hit a bit and hide , but imho in 2 years BOB with their pet alliances can very well control all Eve 0.0. The Amazing Fire Eaters webpage
CamMan Evolution Band of Brothers	Posted - 2006.12.19 00:27:00 - [218] Edited by: CamMan on 19/12/2006 00:27:53 Originally by: Earthan Since Dusk and Dawn are already involved in this thread... I was wondering many times why d2 hasnt attacked bob with full force when they were/are involved with ASCN. BOB will come for you, imho next.We all know they plan to conquesr all eve 0.0.I think you are hiding your head in the sand.Truth is most of 0.0 is. And BOB will come for us 1 at a time. I dont have reputation or time or strong allaince to form it , but truth is imho if someone doesnt form a coaltion or somethign we are more or less doomed in 0.0.Sure small allainces such as mine can awlys sneak and live here and there and hit a bit and hide , but imho in 2 years BOB with their pet alliances can very well control all Eve 0.0. really i though Breidablik was next? edit: Oh bugger i have said too much Originally by: Bender Interesting, no the other one ... tedious
Earthan Gallente The Amazing Fire Eaters Breidablik	Posted - 2006.12.19 00:31:00 - [219] Originally by: CamMan Edited by: CamMan on 19/12/2006 00:27:53 Originally by: Earthan Since Dusk and Dawn are already involved in this thread... I was wondering many times why d2 hasnt attacked bob with full force when they were/are involved with ASCN. BOB will come for you, imho next.We all know they plan to conquesr all eve 0.0.I think you are hiding your head in the sand.Truth is most of 0.0 is. And BOB will come for us 1 at a time. I dont have reputation or time or strong allaince to form it , but truth is imho if someone doesnt form a coaltion or somethign we are more or less doomed in 0.0.Sure small allainces such as mine can awlys sneak and live here and there and hit a bit and hide , but imho in 2 years BOB with their pet alliances can very well control all Eve 0.0. really i though Breidablik was next? edit: Oh bugger i have said too much Like said mate we are to little flies:).You can try to hit us , we got no poses no reall home...Catch the wind :) You will be as succesfull as the allaince from Serenity/FireFly trying to catch Serenity:) The Amazing Fire Eaters webpage
Svett Destructive Influence Band of Brothers	Posted - 2006.12.19 00:33:00 - [220] Jumping on the bandwagon
Imode Imperium Technologies Firmus Ixion	Posted - 2006.12.19 00:39:00 - [221] Originally by: Evil Thug Don`t hesitate. "Just do it" (c) Uh oh, the crazy lawyers from D2 will be all over you now. ____________________________ my sig
Kryztal Caldari Black Nova Corp Band of Brothers	Posted - 2006.12.19 00:48:00 - [222] Originally by: Earthan Originally by: CamMan Edited by: CamMan on 19/12/2006 00:27:53 Originally by: Earthan Since Dusk and Dawn are already involved in this thread... I was wondering many times why d2 hasnt attacked bob with full force when they were/are involved with ASCN. BOB will come for you, imho next.We all know they plan to conquesr all eve 0.0.I think you are hiding your head in the sand.Truth is most of 0.0 is. And BOB will come for us 1 at a time. I dont have reputation or time or strong allaince to form it , but truth is imho if someone doesnt form a coaltion or somethign we are more or less doomed in 0.0.Sure small allainces such as mine can awlys sneak and live here and there and hit a bit and hide , but imho in 2 years BOB with their pet alliances can very well control all Eve 0.0. really i though Breidablik was next? edit: Oh bugger i have said too much Like said mate we are to little flies:).You can try to hit us , we got no poses no reall home...Catch the wind :) You will be as succesfull as the allaince from Serenity/FireFly trying to catch Serenity:) Yeah D2, you heard the little man "YOUR NEXT!" lol cute, Crean... you and me babe, out for a dinner date (your gf doesnt have to know) Oh and BRING BRATZO BACK !
Cyleth Black Nova Corp Band of Brothers	Posted - 2006.12.19 01:09:00 - [223] Originally by: Ab Initio 2006.12.18 23:46:04 Notify Phoenix belonging to nOrAb self-destructs. Suicide phoenix.. Oh well.. -- Nobody stays behind
Earthan Gallente The Amazing Fire Eaters Breidablik	Posted - 2006.12.19 01:13:00 - [224] Originally by: Kryztal Yeah D2, you heard the little man "YOUR NEXT!" lol cute, Crean... you and me babe, out for a dinner date (your gf doesnt have to know) Oh and BRING BRATZO BACK ! They are next imho and if not near next, and i guess its obvious for everybody. The Amazing Fire Eaters webpage
Metal Dude Destructive Influence Band of Brothers	Posted - 2006.12.19 01:32:00 - [225] I thought we were leaving EVE to play POTBS. Or were RAGOONS next? AAA? Oh wait. It's D2? Dam, I'm always last to know. Thol!!!! The truth will set you free
Kryztal Caldari Black Nova Corp Band of Brothers	Posted - 2006.12.19 01:42:00 - [226] Originally by: Earthan Originally by: Kryztal Yeah D2, you heard the little man "YOUR NEXT!" lol cute, Crean... you and me babe, out for a dinner date (your gf doesnt have to know) Oh and BRING BRATZO BACK ! They are next imho and if not near next, and i guess its obvious for everybody. How can it be obvious to you when its not obvious to me and i should know tbh.
Earthan Gallente The Amazing Fire Eaters Breidablik	Posted - 2006.12.19 02:04:00 - [227] Originally by: Kryztal Originally by: Earthan Originally by: Kryztal Yeah D2, you heard the little man "YOUR NEXT!" lol cute, Crean... you and me babe, out for a dinner date (your gf doesnt have to know) Oh and BRING BRATZO BACK ! They are next imho and if not near next, and i guess its obvious for everybody. How can it be obvious to you when its not obvious to me and i should know tbh. Well that would be a pretty dull discussion, and i got nothing more to add really, we will see what future brings us i guess. The Amazing Fire Eaters webpage
Dal Thrax Caldari House Of Troy	Posted - 2006.12.19 02:35:00 - [228] Originally by: Earthan Since Dusk and Dawn are already involved in this thread... I was wondering many times why d2 hasnt attacked bob with full force when they were/are involved with ASCN. BOB will come for you, imho next.We all know they plan to conquesr all eve 0.0.I think you are hiding your head in the sand.Truth is most of 0.0 is. And BOB will come for us 1 at a time. I dont have reputation or time or strong allaince to form it , but truth is imho if someone doesnt form a coaltion or somethign we are more or less doomed in 0.0.Sure small allainces such as mine can awlys sneak and live here and there and hit a bit and hide , but imho in 2 years BOB with their pet alliances can very well control all Eve 0.0. Conquring everything might be the only thing that can stop BoB. When you own everything great conquring fleet = coast guard. Will be interesting to see what BoB does the first time two of their tenants decide to go to war with each other.
Rikeka Amarr Eye of God Axiom Empire	Posted - 2006.12.19 07:19:00 - [229] Originally by: Earthan Originally by: CamMan Edited by: CamMan on 19/12/2006 00:27:53 Originally by: Earthan Since Dusk and Dawn are already involved in this thread... I was wondering many times why d2 hasnt attacked bob with full force when they were/are involved with ASCN. BOB will come for you, imho next.We all know they plan to conquesr all eve 0.0.I think you are hiding your head in the sand.Truth is most of 0.0 is. And BOB will come for us 1 at a time. I dont have reputation or time or strong allaince to form it , but truth is imho if someone doesnt form a coaltion or somethign we are more or less doomed in 0.0.Sure small allainces such as mine can awlys sneak and live here and there and hit a bit and hide , but imho in 2 years BOB with their pet alliances can very well control all Eve 0.0. really i though Breidablik was next? edit: Oh bugger i have said too much Like said mate we are to little flies:).You can try to hit us , we got no poses no reall home...Catch the wind :) You will be as succesfull as the allaince from Serenity/FireFly trying to catch Serenity:) :( Dude, don¦t mix Firefly with this. http://eve-files.com/dl/77020 Limits for signatures are 400x120 pixels and 24,000 bytes. Please fix your signature. Mail us if you have questions -Eldo Davip
Ephemeron The Syndicate Inc Ascendant Frontier	Posted - 2006.12.19 07:26:00 - [230] Personally, I joined ASCN mostly cause I want to fight BoB. Fighting on weaker side against superior enemy makes things all the more thrilling. I think being a pvper in ASCN now is actually more interesting than being a pvper in BoB. Cause if you are in BoB, you get to gank noobish people all day, barely any challange. But if you are in ASCN, you get a real challange, you gotta actually use your brain to win, squeeze the most out of your ship for those kills.
Cellica Caldari Ferinus Vis	Posted - 2006.12.19 07:54:00 - [231] Originally by: Ephemeron Personally, I joined ASCN mostly cause I want to fight BoB. Fighting on weaker side against superior enemy makes things all the more thrilling. I think being a pvper in ASCN now is actually more interesting than being a pvper in BoB. Cause if you are in BoB, you get to gank noobish people all day, barely any challange. But if you are in ASCN, you get a real challange, you gotta actually use your brain to win, squeeze the most out of your ship for those kills. Pretty much true, like mwd straight into enemy gang. Indeed, there's alot more real challenge to learn being in ASCN side.
Ephemeron The Syndicate Inc Ascendant Frontier	Posted - 2006.12.19 08:17:00 - [232] Originally by: Cellica Originally by: Ephemeron Personally, I joined ASCN mostly cause I want to fight BoB. Fighting on weaker side against superior enemy makes things all the more thrilling. I think being a pvper in ASCN now is actually more interesting than being a pvper in BoB. Cause if you are in BoB, you get to gank noobish people all day, barely any challange. But if you are in ASCN, you get a real challange, you gotta actually use your brain to win, squeeze the most out of your ship for those kills. Pretty much true, like mwd straight into enemy gang. Indeed, there's alot more real challenge to learn being in ASCN side. While I consider BoB to be one of the better PvP organizations. I have never liked their unchecked tendency for personal attacks. And with alt post to boot. In that particular situation, it really didn't matter where I was MWDing. I would most likely ended up dead sooner or later. I agree that I have made tactical mistake, but it wasn't like I missed an easy way out by pure stupidity. Also, note that in the brief period of my fighting for ASCN, I have inflicted much more losses to BoB than BoB inflicted on me. You shouldn't call me a noob, even tho I made some mistakes.
Shizuko Caldari E X O D U S	Posted - 2006.12.19 08:20:00 - [233] Originally by: OozoO Originally by: SirMolle Your call. 72 hours are starting. Tick Tock. Awww look at the lil bunny. Hes so cute!
Cellica Caldari Ferinus Vis	Posted - 2006.12.19 08:26:00 - [234] Originally by: Ephemeron Originally by: Cellica Originally by: Ephemeron Personally, I joined ASCN mostly cause I want to fight BoB. Fighting on weaker side against superior enemy makes things all the more thrilling. I think being a pvper in ASCN now is actually more interesting than being a pvper in BoB. Cause if you are in BoB, you get to gank noobish people all day, barely any challange. But if you are in ASCN, you get a real challange, you gotta actually use your brain to win, squeeze the most out of your ship for those kills. Pretty much true, like mwd straight into enemy gang. Indeed, there's alot more real challenge to learn being in ASCN side. While I consider BoB to be one of the better PvP organizations. I have never liked their unchecked tendency for personal attacks. And with alt post to boot. In that particular situation, it really didn't matter where I was MWDing. I would most likely ended up dead sooner or later. I agree that I have made tactical mistake, but it wasn't like I missed an easy way out by pure stupidity. Also, note that in the brief period of my fighting for ASCN, I have inflicted much more losses to BoB than BoB inflicted on me. You shouldn't call me a noob, even tho I made some mistakes. Nah, don't take it the wrong way. Everyone make mistakes, matter most is if everyone learning from it and seems you are, kudos to you
Umbriele Gallente Black Eclipse Corp Band of Brothers	Posted - 2006.12.19 09:41:00 - [235] Originally by: Drake Mezcal Edited by: Drake Mezcal on 17/12/2006 18:31:21 No thanks, we'll wait for the 11th final warning Goddammit, im never gonna be able to join BoB with all the sarcastic comments im making. Never say never Drake, I know you are a good guy and you may have some sponsors to join us, who knows
IntegralHellsing Gallente The Raven Warriors	Posted - 2006.12.19 09:48:00 - [236] Originally by: Kuolematon I killed BoB freighter today! \/ Lies! it was a LV freighter ------------------------------
Hast Destructive Influence Band of Brothers	Posted - 2006.12.19 10:18:00 - [237] Originally by: IntegralHellsing Originally by: Kuolematon I killed BoB freighter today! \/ Lies! it was a LV freighter shhhh, dont ruin his propaganda! That it in reality isnt BoB is besides the point Originally by: omeega PICTURE TOO BIG, KGB INCOMING HAVE FUN.
Voltron Caldari Black Lance	Posted - 2006.12.19 10:53:00 - [238] How many times has the pendulous sac been swung for the last time now? Volt It's great touching your own dink isn't it?
DeadDuck Omega Enterprises Dusk and Dawn	Posted - 2006.12.19 11:01:00 - [239] Originally by: Ephemeron Originally by: Cellica Originally by: Ephemeron Personally, I joined ASCN mostly cause I want to fight BoB. Fighting on weaker side against superior enemy makes things all the more thrilling. I think being a pvper in ASCN now is actually more interesting than being a pvper in BoB. Cause if you are in BoB, you get to gank noobish people all day, barely any challange. But if you are in ASCN, you get a real challange, you gotta actually use your brain to win, squeeze the most out of your ship for those kills. Pretty much true, like mwd straight into enemy gang. Indeed, there's alot more real challenge to learn being in ASCN side. While I consider BoB to be one of the better PvP organizations. I have never liked their unchecked tendency for personal attacks. And with alt post to boot. In that particular situation, it really didn't matter where I was MWDing. I would most likely ended up dead sooner or later. I agree that I have made tactical mistake, but it wasn't like I missed an easy way out by pure stupidity. Also, note that in the brief period of my fighting for ASCN, I have inflicted much more losses to BoB than BoB inflicted on me. You shouldn't call me a noob, even tho I made some mistakes. Unfortunatelly we meet each other this weekend in HED, me and 3 other m8's to be precise. After I saw what you have made in that gate, you are no noob no Sir
Dekiri Exanimo Inc	Posted - 2006.12.19 12:13:00 - [240] I expect that the "next" is just random.. They might even go back to smaller things until someone else is silly enough to claim space next to them. --------------------------------- Exanimo Inc. - Mercs for hire Join channel "CONTRACT EXAN" in game if you wish to hire Exanimo Inc. Or contact cptblood or kakanur
LUKEC Destructive Influence Band of Brothers	Posted - 2006.12.19 15:01:00 - [241] Edited by: LUKEC on 19/12/2006 15:01:06 DS1 is beeing transformed into slave labour: Preliminary survey: Call for help and some easy work: haul2 haul3 After 5 trips: Lewt Tax rate for mining bunch DS1 stays at 100% at the moment. -------- The BoB model is bad for business. Incidently the BoB model is more suited for a game such as WoW where as the ASCN model more suited for Eve. McGreedy
Fitz Chivalry eXceed Inc. Ascendant Frontier	Posted - 2006.12.19 18:37:00 - [242] Originally by: Ephemeron Fighting on weaker side against superior enemy makes things all the more thrilling. I think being a pvper in ASCN now is actually more interesting than being a pvper in BoB. Cause if you are in BoB, you get to gank noobish people all day, barely any challange. QFT. This is why every BoB kill is something to be treasured and enjoyed, whereas for those guys its much more like podding fish in a barrel some nights . Not sure which is more fun but I know which is more of a challenge. Gratz to the leads of BoB for creating such a well oiled macine, but for all the new recruits - meh, its like signing for Chelsea when they have a 30 point lead in the league. Yes, "your team" is more than likely going to win the Eve Premier League Trophy, but its hardly a challenging career choice now is it?
Metal Dude Destructive Influence Band of Brothers	Posted - 2006.12.19 19:00:00 - [243] Originally by: Fitz Chivalry Originally by: Ephemeron Fighting on weaker side against superior enemy makes things all the more thrilling. I think being a pvper in ASCN now is actually more interesting than being a pvper in BoB. Cause if you are in BoB, you get to gank noobish people all day, barely any challange. QFT. This is why every BoB kill is something to be treasured and enjoyed, whereas for those guys its much more like podding fish in a barrel some nights . Not sure which is more fun but I know which is more of a challenge. Gratz to the leads of BoB for creating such a well oiled macine, but for all the new recruits - meh, its like signing for Chelsea when they have a 30 point lead in the league. Yes, "your team" is more than likely going to win the Eve Premier League Trophy, but its hardly a challenging career choice now is it? That's not the toon you folks were singing little while ago. Bob Lite anyone? The truth will set you free
Fitz Chivalry eXceed Inc. Ascendant Frontier	Posted - 2006.12.19 19:18:00 - [244] Originally by: Metal Dude Originally by: Fitz Chivalry Originally by: Ephemeron Fighting on weaker side against superior enemy makes things all the more thrilling. I think being a pvper in ASCN now is actually more interesting than being a pvper in BoB. Cause if you are in BoB, you get to gank noobish people all day, barely any challange. QFT. This is why every BoB kill is something to be treasured and enjoyed, whereas for those guys its much more like podding fish in a barrel some nights . Not sure which is more fun but I know which is more of a challenge. Gratz to the leads of BoB for creating such a well oiled macine, but for all the new recruits - meh, its like signing for Chelsea when they have a 30 point lead in the league. Yes, "your team" is more than likely going to win the Eve Premier League Trophy, but its hardly a challenging career choice now is it? That's not the toon you folks were singing little while ago. Bob Lite anyone? I dont understand your reply?
fire 59 Destructive Influence Band of Brothers	Posted - 2006.12.19 19:32:00 - [245] I enjoy every single kill i get. When we are blobbed by you guys (not so much now) , fighting as a support pilot was hell of a rush, 3-1 odds and still keeping bs clean of the enemy support and killing there's. Even we bs fleets meet, i frickin love it, every pop i see in the distance or in my face gets the hearty pumpin. We all fight are hardest and don't give up, if we have been winning it isn't becasue were chelsea or whatever, it's becasue we all participate and fight our hardest. If we die, get in another ship and zoom to the front. Your guys are so shell shocked atm we rarely see a fleet now, tbh it seems more of a mopping up exercise How exactly did you come to earn the space your currently inhabit? BoB lite let them keep it when they surrendered to us and stabbed Xetic between the shoulderblades.
Barrick Stormsworn Minmatar CAD Inc. Executive Outcomes	Posted - 2006.12.19 19:43:00 - [246] I think we're just going to have to accept the fact that ASCN isn't going to move out... not when they can just ctrl+q
Red Six Reikoku Band of Brothers	Posted - 2006.12.19 19:49:00 - [247] Originally by: Voltron How many times has the pendulous sac been swung for the last time now? Volt Reading comprehension > you http://oldforums.eveonline.com/?a=topic&threadID=402688 That was an offer those living in GQ2. One corp took it and I think they still live peacefully in GQ2. I've spent so much time in H8, AZN, C9N and 0OY that I haven't stopped to check whether they are or not. The rest that didn't take the offer well... http://oldforums.eveonline.com/?a=topic&threadID=425144 Was a generic offer with a warning that there may or may not be another offer granted in the future. That it would also be a some time until said offer was made again. I do believe this one though is the final offer. Originally by: Eridu Fallen Upon closer inspection, that Caldari BS doesn't even look like it got hit with the ugly stick, it looks like it is the ugly stick.
LUKEC Destructive Influence Band of Brothers	Posted - 2006.12.19 20:16:00 - [248] Edited by: LUKEC on 19/12/2006 20:18:00 Originally by: Fitz Chivalry Originally by: Ephemeron Fighting on weaker side against superior enemy makes things all the more thrilling. I think being a pvper in ASCN now is actually more interesting than being a pvper in BoB. Cause if you are in BoB, you get to gank noobish people all day, barely any challange. QFT. This is why every BoB kill is something to be treasured and enjoyed, whereas for those guys its much more like podding fish in a barrel some nights . We enjoy every kill, even if it's noobship or shuttle. Faction ships, capital ships, POSes, titan... we get lots of pleasures. You on the other hand... yes you get deathmails. -------- The BoB model is bad for business. Incidently the BoB model is more suited for a game such as WoW where as the ASCN model more suited for Eve. McGreedy
CDS Leader Caldari Eve Forum Warriors	Posted - 2006.12.19 21:44:00 - [249] Originally by: LUKEC We enjoy every kill, even if it's noobship or shuttle. Deperate for killmails I guess Join Eve Forum Warriors Free Wardecs on Alliances! A Pirates Dream!
Fitz Chivalry eXceed Inc. Ascendant Frontier	Posted - 2006.12.19 23:08:00 - [250] Originally by: LUKEC Edited by: LUKEC on 19/12/2006 20:18:00 Originally by: Fitz Chivalry Originally by: Ephemeron Fighting on weaker side against superior enemy makes things all the more thrilling. I think being a pvper in ASCN now is actually more interesting than being a pvper in BoB. Cause if you are in BoB, you get to gank noobish people all day, barely any challange. QFT. This is why every BoB kill is something to be treasured and enjoyed, whereas for those guys its much more like podding fish in a barrel some nights . We enjoy every kill, even if it's noobship or shuttle. Faction ships, capital ships, POSes, titan... we get lots of pleasures. You on the other hand... yes you get deathmails. Even when they are this easy to come by? As I said, I prefer something thats a bit of a challenge but each to their own.
Fitz Chivalry eXceed Inc. Ascendant Frontier	Posted - 2006.12.19 23:13:00 - [251] Edited by: Fitz Chivalry on 19/12/2006 23:12:55 Originally by: Barrick Stormsworn I think we're just going to have to accept the fact that ASCN isn't going to move out... not when they can just ctrl+q smacktalk while hiding behind Aunty Bob's skirts?
Arian Snow Minmatar The Nest Interstellar Alcohol Conglomerate	Posted - 2006.12.19 23:42:00 - [252] Thats actually a very nice proposition.. some people dont care to be locked in a system with nothing left to do and no means to do it with! And its an extremely efficient propaganda post to boot, brilliant! Not all people thrive through conflict! ... and not all people care to try and use they million isk pod to try and bumb enemies into submission... its all fair game ...I kiss arses only when drunk...! I dont remember I dont recall I dont have memory of anything at all!
Voltron Caldari Black Lance Against ALL Authorities	Posted - 2006.12.19 23:42:00 - [253] Originally by: Red Six Originally by: Voltron How many times has the pendulous sac been swung for the last time now? Volt Reading comprehension > you So you're saying its the 3rd time, ok then. Love, hugs and kisses for my new fanboi! Volt It's great touching your own dink isn't it?
Stockarian eXceed Inc. Ascendant Frontier	Posted - 2006.12.19 23:58:00 - [254] To save time, why don't you avoid the facts and get right to the spin.
Ab Initio Evolution Band of Brothers	Posted - 2006.12.20 01:19:00 - [255] Originally by: Fitz Chivalry Even when they are this easy to come by? As I said, I prefer something thats a bit of a challenge but each to their own. What kind of logic would have you remain weak, so as to shame any advancing army for having killed you. What kind of logic would have you call your friends weak, when their need for support is at it's greatest. If ASCN are weak, then 'friends' and 'leaders' such as yourself are responsible. I feel no shame while taking your homes, or your lives. You however should, for having lead your people down this path.
Avon Caldari Black Nova Corp Band of Brothers	Posted - 2006.12.20 01:29:00 - [256] Edited by: Avon on 20/12/2006 01:29:29 All the people who laugh at the option for surrender forget one very basic aspect of human nature. People have dreams, ambitions, and goals .. but what they mostly want, more than anything else, is to know that tomorrow will be very much like today. ASCN may want to fight on as an entity (and I hope it does), but many of its members probably just want to get on with their lives, and don't really care under which flag they do it. The Battleships is not and should not be a solo pwnmobile - Oveur
Inquis Eisenhorn Privateers Privateer Alliance	Posted - 2006.12.20 02:06:00 - [257] "On behalf of the twelve colonies, I Surrender." Seriosly though I feel that without thw acn bob war that seemed to make eve unique, without acn I feel that 0.0 and eve as a whole would loose something, for whenever i tink of 0.0, I think of the war. ACN, never liked them too much, but eve would certianly loose something if the where wiped out. So acn, dont die. lasers, how crude, give me an aurmored prow and a nova cannon any day. The emperor is the master of the galaxy, gut the captian is the master of his ship.
the Poet Destructive Influence Band of Brothers	Posted - 2006.12.20 02:20:00 - [258] SURRENDER ALREADY so I can go play Pirates of the Burning Seas 6 months and I still have no face :\
Vrizuh Eve Defence Force Ascendant Frontier	Posted - 2006.12.20 02:20:00 - [259] Originally by: Inquis Eisenhorn "On behalf of the twelve colonies, I Surrender." Seriosly though I feel that without thw acn bob war that seemed to make eve unique, without acn I feel that 0.0 and eve as a whole would loose something, for whenever i tink of 0.0, I think of the war. ACN, never liked them too much, but eve would certianly loose something if the where wiped out. So acn, dont die. Didnt your alliance just declare war on ASCN? A brave move. The way I hear it, getting between BoB and ASCN is like getting between a fat man and the candy bar. Good luck. (Unless you guys are NAPd or whatever, Im not gonna check the diplomatic chart) I needed more isk, so I took a risk. I mined some ore then fled once more. I'll return to the core to escape the war!
DJ Watty ASCN Radio Ascendant Frontier	Posted - 2006.12.20 02:27:00 - [260] *Dances across the forum. WOOO! so whats going on? I have auto hippopotamus skipper installed but I heard there is many BoB posts in this thread. /me tickles all Bobbits, cute little buggers. Pringles crisps have an offer running atm by visiting there website and entering a code, don't bother it's only a wallpaper or video. Anyway, back to whatever you guys/gals/mixed gender where talking about \O/
Bella Fea TAOSP Band of Brothers	Posted - 2006.12.20 03:38:00 - [261] Originally by: SirMolle ...RIT is emo-infested... its true... not only that but our super emo pos has super secret mind powers that induce suicidal thoughts on all pilots in a 5 system radius. first night it was up 10 bs pilots were effected by the EMO-Ray and warped to the pos. then last night, a dread pilot self-destructed at the same pos. take the offer...there is no escape from the EMO-Ray. and remember kids its down the street not across the road. [b]Lastest Movie: Noobs in Action Vol. 2
Herculite Hunters Agency Firmus Ixion	Posted - 2006.12.20 03:46:00 - [262] Ok explain it to the old guy. What is exactly 'emo'. I can't figure you kids out with all your rock music and your hip gyrations, and emoness.
Allen Deckard Gallente LFC Lotka Volterra	Posted - 2006.12.20 04:09:00 - [263] Originally by: the Poet SURRENDER ALREADY so I can go play Pirates of the Burning Seas It doesnt release till june. Unless ur in beta and if so fill me in. Kentucky where the goats roam and the rednecks run free
Piotr Anatolev Gallente Aliastra	Posted - 2006.12.20 04:37:00 - [264] Originally by: Bella Fea its true... not only that but our super emo pos has super secret mind powers that induce suicidal thoughts on all pilots in a 5 system radius. first night it was up 10 bs pilots were effected by the EMO-Ray and warped to the pos. then last night, a dread pilot self-destructed at the same pos. take the offer...there is no escape from the EMO-Ray. and remember kids its down the street not across the road.
the Poet Destructive Influence Band of Brothers	Posted - 2006.12.20 04:40:00 - [265] Originally by: Allen Deckard Originally by: the Poet SURRENDER ALREADY so I can go play Pirates of the Burning Seas It doesnt release till june. Unless ur in beta and if so fill me in. We are currently trying to get as many GM's as possible to make sure BoB pwns the high seas 6 months and I still have no face :\
Vrizuh Eve Defence Force Ascendant Frontier	Posted - 2006.12.20 05:07:00 - [266] Originally by: the Poet Originally by: Allen Deckard Originally by: the Poet SURRENDER ALREADY so I can go play Pirates of the Burning Seas It doesnt release till june. Unless ur in beta and if so fill me in. We are currently trying to get as many GM's as possible to make sure BoB pwns the high seas Don't forget the Star Wars sigs. I just can't imagine life without the Star Wars sigs. It would be dark, lonely. I would have to huddle by Dark Shikari's random Tachikoma sigs for life sustaining warmth. Also, you should go get ready by playing 'Puzzle Pirates'. You can take over islands, sink ships, and pvp via tetris. I needed more isk, so I took a risk. I mined some ore then fled once more. I'll return to the core to escape the war!
Frances Ducoir Academy of Decadence	Posted - 2006.12.20 11:32:00 - [267] Originally by: Herculite Ok explain it to the old guy. What is exactly 'emo'. I can't figure you kids out with all your rock music and your hip gyrations, and emoness. o/ do a search on google, youtube, emule or whatever for adam and andrew - the emo song should explain everything you need to know.
Hast Destructive Influence Band of Brothers	Posted - 2006.12.20 11:40:00 - [268] Originally by: Fitz Chivalry Even when they are this easy to come by? As I said, I prefer something thats a bit of a challenge but each to their own. So what you are saying is that we should just leave you alone because you are pushovers? Originally by: omeega PICTURE TOO BIG, KGB INCOMING HAVE FUN.
maGz The Priory Shroud Of Darkness	Posted - 2006.12.20 11:46:00 - [269] Originally by: Hast Originally by: Fitz Chivalry Even when they are this easy to come by? As I said, I prefer something thats a bit of a challenge but each to their own. So what you are saying is that we should just leave you alone because you are pushovers? Yes? ____________ The Priory Killboard
Inquis Eisenhorn Privateers Privateer Alliance	Posted - 2006.12.20 11:59:00 - [270] Originally by: Vrizuh Edited by: Vrizuh on 20/12/2006 02:39:52 Edited by: Vrizuh on 20/12/2006 02:37:08 Originally by: Inquis Eisenhorn "On behalf of the twelve colonies, I Surrender." Seriosly though I feel that without thw acn bob war that seemed to make eve unique, without acn I feel that 0.0 and eve as a whole would loose something, for whenever i tink of 0.0, I think of the war. ACN, never liked them too much, but eve would certianly loose something if the where wiped out. So acn, dont die. Didnt your alliance just declare war on ASCN? A brave move. The way I hear it, getting between BoB and ASCN is like getting between a fat man and the candy bar. Good luck. (Unless you guys are NAPd or whatever, Im not gonna check the diplomatic chart) EDIT: Ok Im confused, nowhere near the game, and you're not on the ASCN diplomacy table. Im just going to assume you're hostile to both sides or something equally suicidal? EDIT2: Oh YOU guys. Goddamn. You are completly nuts. That's my kind of funny. Its no wonder though. A single man (INNOMINATE NIGHTMARE) goes through alliance space befriending everyone. Balance required that an entire alliance go through alliance space Deccing everyone. Apparently some of our alliance is very scuicidal, they say theyre going to head out to 0.0 and attack you guys, guesss thats more like teasing the fat man with candy then trying to run away from him in a crowded bar. Now personally im not a 0.0 guy atm due to the amount of alliance wardecs we have ( Im not the scuicidal kind). lasers, how crude, give me an aurmored prow and a nova cannon any day. The emperor is the master of the galaxy, gut the captian is the master of his ship.
CDS Leader Caldari Eve Forum Warriors	Posted - 2006.12.20 12:08:00 - [271] Originally by: Inquis Eisenhorn Apparently some of our alliance is very scuicidal, they say theyre going to head out to 0.0 and attack you guys, guesss thats more like teasing the fat man with candy then trying to run away from him in a crowded bar. Now personally im not a 0.0 guy atm due to the amount of alliance wardecs we have ( Im not the scuicidal kind). Heh Good man. In my case, I am doing something like you guys - I pay the wardec Fee, and anyone who wants to join in can do so free of charge! I have put a wardec on BoB and I was going to wardec ASCN, however there is not much left of them. This type of concept is great and who knows, we may even wardec each other! Join Eve Forum Warriors Free Wardecs on Alliances! A Pirates Dream!
Bella Noma Amarr Mapquest Inc.	Posted - 2006.12.20 12:52:00 - [272] Originally by: Vrizuh Edited by: Vrizuh on 20/12/2006 02:39:52 Didnt your alliance just declare war on ASCN? A brave move. The way I hear it, getting between BoB and ASCN is like getting between a fat man and the candy bar. where BOB is the "fat man" eating ASCN the "candy bar" ??
Fitz Chivalry eXceed Inc. Ascendant Frontier	Posted - 2006.12.20 13:18:00 - [273] Originally by: Hast Originally by: Fitz Chivalry Even when they are this easy to come by? As I said, I prefer something thats a bit of a challenge but each to their own. So what you are saying is that we should just leave you alone because you are pushovers? Last post cos we are banzored from this section now (virt - my last one I swear). As I said, I play this game enjoying a challenge and trying to build something. You guys appear to prefer playing at being the biggest, baddest bully boys on the block (I could haev some fun with the reasons behind this but will leave that for others). To each their own. We all saw the results when you tried to pick on someone your "own size" ability wise - or have you not seen that 0utbreak/CELES video? So you go back to ganking miners and part time pvpers - gg you.
Haks'he Lirky Durgar og Illmenni	Posted - 2006.12.20 13:33:00 - [274] Originally by: Fitz Chivalry As I said, I play this game enjoying a challenge and trying to build something. You dont seem to get one of eve moste dominant feature, half the challenge of building something is the challange of reaping the rewards from it, so if you cant sell it then you need to defend it. Originally by: Fitz Chivalry You guys appear to prefer playing at being the biggest, baddest bully boys on the block (I could haev some fun with the reasons behind this but will leave that for others). To each their own. On a similar note to what I said before, this game is about keeping what you build and on the other hand it's about taking what you can take. If some silly builders come to 0.0 without grasping the concept of defence then they really should loose all their stuff. If you dont understand that then you can always head to Starwars galaxies, I hear it's impossible to ruin the nice towns the carebears build there. Almost every aspect of EVE has pvp at it's core and 0.0 is nothing but a grand pvp arena and BoB are taking you out simply because they can, call them bullies or whatever, doesnt diminish the fact that you are weak.
Sinlare Gallente Sinlare Auditorium	Posted - 2006.12.20 13:44:00 - [275] Originally by: Fitz Chivalry Originally by: Hast Originally by: Fitz Chivalry Even when they are this easy to come by? As I said, I prefer something thats a bit of a challenge but each to their own. So what you are saying is that we should just leave you alone because you are pushovers? Last post cos we are banzored from this section now (virt - my last one I swear). As I said, I play this game enjoying a challenge and trying to build something. You guys appear to prefer playing at being the biggest, baddest bully boys on the block (I could haev some fun with the reasons behind this but will leave that for others). To each their own. We all saw the results when you tried to pick on someone your "own size" ability wise - or have you not seen that 0utbreak/CELES video? So you go back to ganking miners and part time pvpers - gg you. It's a good thing Virt isn't allowing you to post anymore. Every single post you're dragging ASCN's name further down the toilet. (of course i could have some fun with the reasons behind the ban, or why you can't stop ridiculing yourselves, but i will leave that for others).
DeadDuck Omega Enterprises Dusk and Dawn	Posted - 2006.12.20 13:50:00 - [276] Originally by: Haks'he Lirky Almost every aspect of EVE has pvp at it's core and 0.0 is nothing but a grand pvp arena and BoB are taking you out simply because they can, call them bullies or whatever, doesnt diminish the fact that you are weak. You really dont have a clue of what you are talking about, dont you ??? How many alliances are in EVE???? How many alliances can/could beat ASCN ??? How many alliances can/could beat BOB ??? The fact that ASCN is being currently beaten, but not yet defeated by BOB, doesnt make them weak. They are fighting one of the top military alliances in the game for + 2 months now. How many alliances could hold that in game ????
CDS Leader Caldari Eve Forum Warriors	Posted - 2006.12.20 13:52:00 - [277] Originally by: DeadDuck Originally by: Haks'he Lirky Almost every aspect of EVE has pvp at it's core and 0.0 is nothing but a grand pvp arena and BoB are taking you out simply because they can, call them bullies or whatever, doesnt diminish the fact that you are weak. You really dont have a clue of what you are talking about, dont you ??? How many alliances are in EVE???? How many alliances can/could beat ASCN ??? How many alliances can/could beat BOB ??? The fact that ASCN is being currently beaten, but not yet defeated by BOB, doesnt make them weak. They are fighting one of the top military alliances in the game for + 2 months now. How many alliances could hold that in game ???? Bob have been fighting not only ASCN, but also ISD forums bans as well, yet they manage to spam the forums just as well. Join Eve Forum Warriors Free Wardecs on Alliances! A Pirates Dream!
Haks'he Lirky Durgar og Illmenni	Posted - 2006.12.20 13:59:00 - [278] Edited by: Haks''he Lirky on 20/12/2006 14:03:42 Edited by: Haks''he Lirky on 20/12/2006 13:59:12 Originally by: DeadDuck Originally by: Haks'he Lirky Almost every aspect of EVE has pvp at it's core and 0.0 is nothing but a grand pvp arena and BoB are taking you out simply because they can, call them bullies or whatever, doesnt diminish the fact that you are weak. You really dont have a clue of what you are talking about, dont you ??? How many alliances are in EVE???? How many alliances can/could beat ASCN ??? How many alliances can/could beat BOB ??? The fact that ASCN is being currently beaten, but not yet defeated by BOB, doesnt make them weak. They are fighting one of the top military alliances in the game for + 2 months now. How many alliances could hold that in game ???? Actually the reason why I say that they are weak is the fact that they call them selves Quote: So you go back to ganking miners and part time pvpers - gg you. And since they think that BOB are being bullies attacking a weaker alliance and then start to whine about it, I think it's ok to call them soft bellied and weak, dont you think? Sorry if my clueless behaviour offends, oh mightiest of ducks...
LUKEC Destructive Influence Band of Brothers	Posted - 2006.12.20 14:23:00 - [279] Originally by: Fitz Chivalry We all saw the results when you tried to pick on someone your "own size" ability wise - or have you not seen that 0utbreak/CELES video? So you go back to ganking miners and part time pvpers - gg you. Few facts that might have escaped you: -videos don't necessary present real situation. Outbreak was fighting quite well but at the end of Dice stay, we were pretty much pwning them. Were good fights, just don't talk about celes too much, coz they participated with 1-2 bs. -Do you realize we had only 2 corps at the time there, no capital ships etc? It was training and good one. Especially after shooting 12352456236 ibises in syndicate. -Surrender now and you might keep fountain ... big words from miners and part time players. But you chose your shoe size, now wear them. -------- The BoB model is bad for business. Incidently the BoB model is more suited for a game such as WoW where as the ASCN model more suited for Eve. McGreedy
BlackRain Black Nova Corp Band of Brothers	Posted - 2006.12.20 15:18:00 - [280] Originally by: Fitz Chivalry We all saw the results when you tried to pick on someone your "own size" ability wise - or have you not seen that 0utbreak/CELES video? So you go back to ganking miners and part time pvpers - gg you. Whooah. So Fitz just did a CYVOK-manouver on the forums. Lie, lie some more, throw the toys out of the pram and as a highnote before leaving, spit out some more venom and tell more lies - gg you. For the umpteenth time, for the slower folk reading the forums: It was not "BoB" fighting against Outbreak in Fountain. We deliberately held our punches back and kept our numbers low. If the whole alliance would have been deployed, there would probably have been one fight and that's it. After that no fun for anyone. Fighting Outbreak served a purpose. They're good at what they do and served as a scrubbing tool to knock the crap and rust off us after a month of shooting smacktalking noobships in Syndicate. ------------------- -
PinaNi Caldari Destructive Influence Band of Brothers	Posted - 2006.12.20 15:27:00 - [281] Originally by: DeadDuck Originally by: Haks'he Lirky Almost every aspect of EVE has pvp at it's core and 0.0 is nothing but a grand pvp arena and BoB are taking you out simply because they can, call them bullies or whatever, doesnt diminish the fact that you are weak. You really dont have a clue of what you are talking about, dont you ??? How many alliances are in EVE???? How many alliances can/could beat ASCN ??? How many alliances can/could beat BOB ??? The fact that ASCN is being currently beaten, but not yet defeated by BOB, doesnt make them weak. They are fighting one of the top military alliances in the game for + 2 months now. How many alliances could hold that in game ???? err.. ASCN is not the first nor the last alliance attacked by BOB, they are NOT strong because they can't deffend aganst BOB!! Your reasoning is false. If you can't deffend yourself, you are weak... at least ,weaker than your enemy... and IIRC Fountain Alliance was holding its ground for about 3 - 4 month... FA first lost Delve, than Fountain, slowly puting up less and less resistance... same happening to ASCN right now (ofc FA had NPC stations as well). And TBH.. ASCN will have no space at the end of January IMHO!.. just IMHO..
NereSky Gallente Rage of Angels Morsus Mihi	Posted - 2006.12.20 18:32:00 - [282] Originally by: PinaNi Originally by: DeadDuck Originally by: Haks'he Lirky Almost every aspect of EVE has pvp at it's core and 0.0 is nothing but a grand pvp arena and BoB are taking you out simply because they can, call them bullies or whatever, doesnt diminish the fact that you are weak. You really dont have a clue of what you are talking about, dont you ??? How many alliances are in EVE???? How many alliances can/could beat ASCN ??? How many alliances can/could beat BOB ??? The fact that ASCN is being currently beaten, but not yet defeated by BOB, doesnt make them weak. They are fighting one of the top military alliances in the game for + 2 months now. How many alliances could hold that in game ???? err.. ASCN is not the first nor the last alliance attacked by BOB, they are NOT strong because they can't deffend aganst BOB!! Your reasoning is false. If you can't deffend yourself, you are weak... at least ,weaker than your enemy... and IIRC Fountain Alliance was holding its ground for about 3 - 4 month... FA first lost Delve, than Fountain, slowly puting up less and less resistance... same happening to ASCN right now (ofc FA had NPC stations as well). And TBH.. ASCN will have no space at the end of January IMHO!.. just IMHO.. errr... but arn't ASCN actually defending i mean they are shooting back and if they were not physical defending well basically there would have been no war, and to have 2+months of continous fightin deserves some credit surely?
Slowboat Interspace Trade Consortium	Posted - 2006.12.20 18:37:00 - [283] Edited by: Slowboat on 20/12/2006 18:40:51 You don't get it. BOB members will almost never, I say that because there is the rare one or two bob members that will, say anything good about any enemy they fight. It doesn't fit their propaganda campaign. edit: Needed to clarify something. Even if ASCN started to hold their own and eventually beat bob back their vocal minority would still never have a good word to say. It would be all "You got a lucky break" or "It happened for reasons that had nothing to do with who is better".
Nez Perces Amarr Black Spot.	Posted - 2006.12.20 18:41:00 - [284] Edited by: Nez Perces on 20/12/2006 18:41:55 Originally by: Slowboat You don't get it. BOB members will almost never, I say that because there is the rare one or two bob members that will, say anything good about any enemy they fight. It doesn't fit their propaganda campaign. What a load of rubbish... BoB will praise pvp competence... by the same token they will verbally slam incompetence.. and thats the way it should be. ASCN are incompetent.. when it comes to pvp... there are no two ways about it.
Slowboat Interspace Trade Consortium	Posted - 2006.12.20 18:46:00 - [285] Originally by: Nez Perces Edited by: Nez Perces on 20/12/2006 18:41:55 Originally by: Slowboat You don't get it. BOB members will almost never, I say that because there is the rare one or two bob members that will, say anything good about any enemy they fight. It doesn't fit their propaganda campaign. What a load of rubbish... BoB will praise pvp competence... by the same token they will verbally slam incompetence.. and thats the way it should be. ASCN are incompetent.. when it comes to pvp... there are no two ways about it. LOL. Look who is talking about loads of rubbish. Until you get involved in this game in any other way then just posting on eve-O your opinions are pretty much just that. If you removed your head from BOB's collective dark damp hole you might actually achieve something of your own more recent then a year and a half ago.
Nez Perces Amarr Black Spot.	Posted - 2006.12.20 18:50:00 - [286] Edited by: Nez Perces on 20/12/2006 18:54:54 Originally by: Slowboat LOL. Look who is talking about loads of rubbish. Until you get involved in this game in any other way then just posting on eve-O your opinions are pretty much just that. If you removed your head from BOB's collective dark damp hole you might actually achieve something of your own more recent then a year and a half ago. Says the ASCN alt... tell you what .. why don't you do some research .. go find all the entities that have been called incompetent by BoB.... then come back, list them.. and you will find that they were actually incompetent. If you do that.. I'll match you with entities that were competent and recieved their due praise. And flaming me... doesn't prove your point. PS - If you do bother to take up the challenge... provide quotes and time stamps + location of the quote.

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Dianabolic Reikoku Band of Brothers	Posted - 2006.12.20 19:22:00 - [288] People who I respect through fighting them: FIX - learnt quick and stick to their word through numerous Presidents. Tenaciously defend their space and will ALWAYS engage. (what used to be) NORAD (now RISE?) - not the most competent of combat pilots but they do and will defend their space until they are left with nothing. People I respect from flying with them: Shinra (not flown with most of the rest of LV). MC FIX Those that get NO respect from me, including ASCN, do so partly because they're incompetent (but ok, no ones' perfect) but largely because they lie to themselves, each other and to us about WHY they are incompetent. If you failed, you failed - but don't try and brush it over by claiming omghaxsploit lamenode and scream "SOON THEY WILL LEAVE FOR POTBS WE JUST NEED TO HOLD ON" and then expect me to say "yeah man, respect for that". I take great pleasure in stuffing such rediculous statements down the throats of their authors. Quote: 2006.12.18 23:46:04 Notify Phoenix belonging to nOrAb self-destructs.
Nez Perces Amarr Black Spot.	Posted - 2006.12.20 19:29:00 - [289] Originally by: Dianabolic People who I respect through fighting them:..... There are quite a few entities that have recieved praise over the years from yourselves, Diana, considerably more than you have listed.... should Slowboat wish to play. I have a good memory when it comes to the forums..... I shouldn't cause its mostly garbage. From a certain period onwards, I'm pretty sure I can find anything I'm looking for.
Har Ganeth STK Scientific Ascendant Frontier	Posted - 2006.12.20 19:34:00 - [290] Originally by: Dianabolic ~~diatribe~~ Funny words, because I could swear we used to probe each other for fun with random incursions into each others' space, purely for fun. At that time, respect seemed pretty mutual...
Dianabolic Reikoku Band of Brothers	Posted - 2006.12.20 19:38:00 - [291] Originally by: Har Ganeth Originally by: Dianabolic ~~diatribe~~ Funny words, because I could swear we used to probe each other for fun with random incursions into each others' space, purely for fun. At that time, respect seemed pretty mutual... Indeed it was. Then CRYVOK rolled out the rants, the lies, the quake kiddie basement and the POTBS. And most of you continued to blindly follow and support him. Respect is incredibly difficult to earn and amazingly easy to ** away. @Nez - indeed, those two stick in my mind, I should also add [G] to that list, tbh, cuz their goddamn tempests were a fkn nightmare. Quote:** 2006.12.18 23:46:04 Notify Phoenix belonging to nOrAb self-destructs.
Sochin Reikoku Band of Brothers	Posted - 2006.12.20 19:48:00 - [292] Originally by: Slowboat Edited by: Slowboat on 20/12/2006 18:40:51 You don't get it. BOB members will almost never, I say that because there is the rare one or two bob members that will, say anything good about any enemy they fight. It doesn't fit their propaganda campaign. edit: Needed to clarify something. Even if ASCN started to hold their own and eventually beat bob back their vocal minority would still never have a good word to say. It would be all "You got a lucky break" or "It happened for reasons that had nothing to do with who is better". You might recall an entire thread started by a BoB member dedicated to praising ASCN for bringing it in a good fight. You may recall countless posts and threads by BoB members praising the old G alliances for a great many excellent fights. You might remember us continually giving FIX credit for their hard fighting against us when we used to raid Querious from Delve. And in this same thread someone complimented Outbreak. BoB is more then happy to compliment our enemies when they demonstrate a willingness to fight, and even more if they show ability. But we don't feel inclined to saying nice things about people who accuse us of cheating and exploiting on a daily basis, regardless of their abilities. As Molle said, Respect is earned. We aren't going to respect you if you spend all your time whining and calling us hackers. Not even if you are the best pvpers in the game. Nemo me impune lacessit
ponieus Black Nova Corp Band of Brothers	Posted - 2006.12.20 19:56:00 - [293] Originally by: Dianabolic @Nez - indeed, those two stick in my mind, I should also add [G to that list, tbh, cuz their goddamn tempests were a fkn nightmare. no kidding.. nothing like getting called primary on a bunch of tempests that already had there guns ready for you.. no chance is what I called it.. I miss G.. ----------------------------------------------- ok ok
Saladin Minmatar V I R I I Center for Disease Creation	Posted - 2006.12.20 20:29:00 - [294] Edited by: Saladin on 20/12/2006 20:31:14 I really can't understand how the thread is supposed to be constructive when the initial 'offer' is, in essence, flamebait. The same post we seen Molle make over and over again, not only in this conflict, but in others. As for ASCN, I can't really say I fought you guys recently, but my memories of of the CA/Xetic war are still fresh. All I can say is I have no sympathy for your current predicament. The war with CA was started when ATUK attacked you, and yet when ATUK left CA you teamed up with them and refused to back off or let up near the end. Then your war with the 5 started and those whom you previously served came and attacked you. Ironically, the corp that started the 5/Xetic war, Celestial Horizon, left Xetic and abandoned them. Then they came back with this new alliance, in much stronger position than they were under Xetic and able to run the tables more effectively. I have no love for BoB, but I am so satisfied that you have been humbled. I have co-worker who is x-ASCN and he summed it all up by saying "ASCN members are very rich, but everyone is worried about losing their ship". What good are numbers if you guys won't use your single advantage? Surely the BOB/ASCN forum warriors will take everything part line by line and inject nice tid bits of smack/criticism, rest assured I won't be reading. ----
Slowboat Interspace Trade Consortium	Posted - 2006.12.20 20:52:00 - [295] Edited by: Slowboat on 20/12/2006 20:53:32 Originally by: Sochin Originally by: Slowboat Edited by: Slowboat on 20/12/2006 18:40:51 You don't get it. BOB members will almost never, I say that because there is the rare one or two bob members that will, say anything good about any enemy they fight. It doesn't fit their propaganda campaign. edit: Needed to clarify something. Even if ASCN started to hold their own and eventually beat bob back their vocal minority would still never have a good word to say. It would be all "You got a lucky break" or "It happened for reasons that had nothing to do with who is better". You might recall an entire thread started by a BoB member dedicated to praising ASCN for bringing it in a good fight. You may recall countless posts and threads by BoB members praising the old G alliances for a great many excellent fights. You might remember us continually giving FIX credit for their hard fighting against us when we used to raid Querious from Delve. And in this same thread someone complimented Outbreak. BoB is more then happy to compliment our enemies when they demonstrate a willingness to fight, and even more if they show ability. But we don't feel inclined to saying nice things about people who accuse us of cheating and exploiting on a daily basis, regardless of their abilities. As Molle said, Respect is earned. We aren't going to respect you if you spend all your time whining and calling us hackers. Not even if you are the best pvpers in the game. I believe I did qualify my statement to point to a few BOB members who have posted as you describe. But tell me. Since the change in leadership in ASCN have you been subjected to daily posts on how bob exploits or hax or cheats? (Other then a few individual hotheads because every alliance has those types)
Delthus Species 5618 Ascendant Frontier	Posted - 2006.12.20 20:53:00 - [296] Ya ummm when i come back in 3 days i will turn the tide of war and kill all bobbits and you can qoute me on that
Dianabolic Reikoku Band of Brothers	Posted - 2006.12.20 21:01:00 - [297] Originally by: Slowboat But tell me. Since the change in leadership in ASCN have you been subjected to daily posts on how bob exploits or hax or cheats? (Other then a few individual hotheads because every alliance has those types) Hard to earn, easy to waste. Quote: 2006.12.18 23:46:04 Notify Phoenix belonging to nOrAb self-destructs.
Marko Debreault 0utbreak	Posted - 2006.12.20 22:55:00 - [298] Originally by: BlackRain It was not "BoB" fighting against Outbreak in Fountain. We deliberately held our punches back and kept our numbers low. If the whole alliance would have been deployed, there would probably have been one fight and that's it. After that no fun for anyone. They did indeed keep their numbers low in order to give even fights. They tried to keep just two corporations in Fountain at the same time. We had a good time, largely due to this thoughtfulness on BoB's part. If they had blobbed us we would have had to slow down and move very carefully to give them the thrashing they deserved, with little room for error. I for one prefer the accelerated pace of having hard even fights rather than elaborate multiple stage warp in warp out fakes and ploys. Fights would have been less frequent and our campaign would have been over more quickly. BoB's conduct in Fountain during that campaign proves that they enjoy a good fight. Originally by: LUKEC Outbreak was fighting quite well but at the end of Dice stay, we were pretty much pwning them. Were good fights, just don't talk about celes too much, coz they participated with 1-2 bs. For the record, BoB was never 'pwning' us, and CELES was an integral part of the campaign in Fountain. They toed the line and walked the walk just as much as Outbreak did and all the fun we had while we were there would not have been possible without them. Our successes in fleet combat against BoB are due to our coordination with CELES, who fielded far more than '1-2' BS.
Plim Gallente Celestial Apocalypse Insurgency	Posted - 2006.12.20 23:17:00 - [299] 1-2 BS lol ----------------- Originally by: BoB forum PR Toxic sludge is good for you.
Dianabolic Reikoku Band of Brothers	Posted - 2006.12.20 23:44:00 - [300] Originally by: Plim 1-2 BS lol I'm sure what Lukec meant to say was: "We only ever saw 2 celes bs, they were massive, each was named "dolly 1" and "dolly 2" - they were carrying darths' hareem of sheep. Quote: 2006.12.18 23:46:04 Notify Phoenix belonging to nOrAb self-destructs.
NATMav F.R.E.E. Explorer EVE Animal Control	Posted - 2006.12.20 23:59:00 - [301] Tricksy BoBbits. They just want to narrow down the recruiting pool. Originally by: Goberth Ludwig Damn what happens to all those people whose self esteem doesnt depend on eve then? Oh right, I'm asking in the wrong place
welsh wizard Celestial Apocalypse Insurgency	Posted - 2006.12.21 00:51:00 - [302] Edited by: welsh wizard on 21/12/2006 00:58:20 Originally by: LUKEC Originally by: Fitz Chivalry We all saw the results when you tried to pick on someone your "own size" ability wise - or have you not seen that 0utbreak/CELES video? So you go back to ganking miners and part time pvpers - gg you. Few facts that might have escaped you: -videos don't necessary present real situation. Outbreak was fighting quite well but at the end of Dice stay, we were pretty much pwning them. Were good fights, just don't talk about celes too much, coz they participated with 1-2 bs. -Do you realize we had only 2 corps at the time there, no capital ships etc? It was training and good one. Especially after shooting 12352456236 ibises in syndicate. -Surrender now and you might keep fountain ... big words from miners and part time players. But you chose your shoe size, now wear them. Rubbish mate. Even after Toxin left we were averaging at least 3:1 against you. Was only when BNC showed up with the blob that we were forced to concede, you got your 'stunning' victory then left. Mistakes happen, you got served wrt losses and kills. As Marko said you did hold back while TOXIN were about and we were very appreciative of that fact. Theres no way we could fight you without them around though because you just do not risk a loss, its too embarassing for you isn't it? I hate these stupid arguments but when you start tossing words like 'pwned' around then expect someone to slap you about with the facts. You won the 'war' (blob) but you won very few battles. Originally by: anonymous If you're being chased by a police dog, try not to go through a tunnel, then on to a little seesaw, then jump through a hoop of fire. They're trained for that.
Virtuozzo eXceed Inc. Ascendant Frontier	Posted - 2006.12.21 00:54:00 - [303] Alright, and that concludes the energy wasting posting of ASCN. I have no taste for wasting energy other then where the crunchtime is, and that is in game. For those still stuck with the "omgwtfhaxxsploit" topic. By Eris that kind of stuff just makes me vomit. Well, almost, otherwise I would get in trouble with my keyboard. Game mechanics are a design feature, sometimes there's stuff which others find out about first, typically because they do good math and take the time to put things to the test. Sometimes **** happens, sometimes the server gets fubarred, sometimes human nature comes into play. To be perfectly honest, I see and value the concepts of roleplaying and forum warfare and all that, but I'm a simple guy. I prefer to fly around on one of my mains and focusing on what happens in game. I've rather had it with people crossing the line, regardless of whether it comes from a non-ASCN-but-ASCN-alt, or from someone who's heart is in the right place but who is pushed to the edge because he or she cares, or because he or she is taunted out by externals, or whatever. I've seen these forums been nice at times, and I've seen them degrade at times and I did not arrive at my decision lightly. I believe every human and alien has the intrinsic right to speak his or her mind, but where it comes to situations where the actions of the few are detrimental to those of the many and there is zero or little self control (like that awful 4th reich crap) I have to draw a line. I can't be bothered to make a seperate post for something as trivial as this, but as of now ASCN stays away from the CAOD section of these forums with the exceptions of Gungankllr, Drakma (what was I thinking) and myself. Well, you'll see SJ in the map thread but that is it. Anyway, I'm off to back in game, now that I've managed to chase my cat and get my router antenna back. Have a good day, Virtuozzo RECRUITMENT TEASERS. Last words of a Caldari general: "Pull the Ravens back! Full retreat! they've got frigates!"
Nez Perces Amarr Black Spot.	Posted - 2006.12.21 01:40:00 - [304] Edited by: Nez Perces on 21/12/2006 01:43:56 Originally by: Christopher Multsanti Nez when was the last time you were involved with BOB, they have changed a lot over the last year, same as fix. One of those two has changed a lot, the other hasn't changed much at all..... I'll let you you figure out which is which. One of the two you mentioned has had the same leadership core intact for the last 3 years, i.e the mentality is the same as it ever was. And you know I'm right. Infact there is a quote that I've been wanting to use for a while... "It's never necessary to tell me that you think I'm right. We'll just... assume it." Lt. Col. Gordon Tall, The Thin Red Line, 1998. Its pointless arguing with me.
Christopher Multsanti Euphoria Released Euphoria Unleashed	Posted - 2006.12.21 01:51:00 - [305] Originally by: Nez Perces Edited by: Nez Perces on 21/12/2006 01:41:03 Originally by: Christopher Multsanti Nez when was the last time you were involved with BOB, they have changed a lot over the last year, same as fix. One of those two has changed a lot, the other hasn't changed much at all..... I'll let you you figure out which is which. One of the two you mentioned has the same leadership core intact for the last 3 years, i.e the mentality is the same as it ever was. And you know I'm right. Infact there is a quote that I've been wanting to use for a while... "It's never necessary to tell me that you think I'm right. We'll just... assume it." Lt. Col. Gordon Tall, The Thin Red Line, 1998. Its pointless arguing with me. I thought we were having a disagreement. Anyway your wrong, they have both changed, bob has in many ways, same leadership, different goals. Originally by: SirMolle Expect spies, backstabs, smacktalkings, flames. And its all good. It's how it's supposed to be. Remember, you are not safe. EVIL SYNNs > Bob are the best, we have to pay them to use the plexs... EVIL SYNNs > we fall at their knees to stay here... so we're their *****es!
Nez Perces Amarr Black Spot.	Posted - 2006.12.21 02:04:00 - [306] Originally by: Christopher Multsanti Anyway your wrong, they have both changed, bob has in many ways, same leadership, different goals. You spoke of a timespan of one year... I'm saying that in the last 2 and a half years at least, BoB hasn't changed much at all. What is different about the entity that rolled on down south from the north and installed itself in Fountain, Delve PB? Sure the tools they are using have changed as have the game mechanics... but the ethos hasn't.... they are still in your face, aggressive, deadly and actually contrary to popular belief, honest.... ruthlessly so. I don't really see any changes in mentality and outlook. What do you see thats changed? I mean, what BoB did to FA, they are doing to ASCN in pretty much the same way.. and like the FA conquest, the rest of EVE is looking on and not too unhappy with watching ASCN wriggle,kick and scream as the life is snuffed out of them.
Christopher Multsanti Euphoria Released Euphoria Unleashed	Posted - 2006.12.21 02:10:00 - [307] Originally by: Nez Perces Originally by: Christopher Multsanti Anyway your wrong, they have both changed, bob has in many ways, same leadership, different goals. You spoke of a timespan of one year... I'm saying that in the last 2 and a half years at least, BoB hasn't changed much at all. What is different about the entity that rolled on down south from the north and installed itself in Fountain, Delve PB? Sure the tools they are using have changed as have the game mechanics... but the ethos hasn't.... they are still in your face, aggressive, deadly and actually contrary to popular belief, honest.... ruthlessly so. I don't really see any changes in mentality and outlook. What do you see thats changed? I mean, what BoB did to FA, they are doing to ASCN in pretty much the same way.. and like the FA conquest, the rest of EVE is looking on and not too unhappy with watching ASCN wriggle,kick and scream as the life is snuffed out of them. The original point was that was that BOB gives respect to the enemies they has fought, the last enemy they gave respect to was fix. Then Molle made the statement I quoted above in the famous "there is no spoon" thread and started its campaign agaisnt FA. Since then I have never seen molle or any BOB leader give respect to anyone they have fought. Every post from a bob leader is propoganda to drive down the morale of their enemy. That is how they have changed. EVIL SYNNs > Bob are the best, we have to pay them to use the plexs... EVIL SYNNs > we fall at their knees to stay here... so we're their *****es!
Haks'he Lirky Durgar og Illmenni	Posted - 2006.12.21 02:12:00 - [308] Edited by: Haks''he Lirky on 21/12/2006 02:17:44 Originally by: Nez Perces I mean, what BoB did to FA, they are doing to ASCN in pretty much the same way.. and like the FA conquest, the rest of EVE is looking on and not too unhappy with watching ASCN wriggle,kick and scream as the life is snuffed out of them. Endless, taggart, M3g4 and Raid Enterprises can be added to that list, longer ago and before BoB became what it is today.. But this attitude has been here since the beta without significant changes. it's called mollification, im drunk so sue me. Edit: mollification the act of appeasing someone or causing someone to be more favorably inclined; "a wonderful skill in the pacification of crying infants"; Molle excels at mollification :p sorry, i'll put on my flame suit in advance.
Nez Perces Amarr Black Spot.	Posted - 2006.12.21 02:24:00 - [309] Originally by: Christopher Multsanti The original point was that was that BOB gives respect to the enemies they has fought, the last enemy they gave respect to was fix. Then Molle made the statement I quoted above in the famous "there is no spoon" thread and started its campaign agaisnt FA. Since then I have never seen molle or any BOB leader give respect to anyone they have fought. Every post from a bob leader is propoganda to drive down the morale of their enemy. That is how they have changed. well.... Originally by: Blacklight 2006.11.21 Congrats to Omniscient Order on a good job and some nice stats. Thats from the recent Omniscient Order contract taken out on BoB on behalf of ASCN. K so its not really an entity BoB had targeted for destruction. But... since FA, lets see who was targeted for destruction... well there was Imperium and you know how much BoB love Aneu and Xirt. Then there was the southern pact which lasted for ages and BoB went on their 'roadtrip', so the north doesn't count. Stain Allaince aka Station Alliance, again Orc A was a very popular figure. Goonfleet with the Remedial solution. And now ASCN with Cryvok. To be fair, the figures that were demonized by BoB in the above mentioned lineup, were also given a hard time by the rest of the community.... I don't know what that means.. but there you have it.
Dracorimus Black Nova Corp Band of Brothers	Posted - 2006.12.21 02:41:00 - [310] Virt I feel for you man lol -
Christopher Multsanti Euphoria Released Euphoria Unleashed	Posted - 2006.12.21 02:42:00 - [311] Originally by: Nez Perces Originally by: Christopher Multsanti The original point was that was that BOB gives respect to the enemies they has fought, the last enemy they gave respect to was fix. Then Molle made the statement I quoted above in the famous "there is no spoon" thread and started its campaign agaisnt FA. Since then I have never seen molle or any BOB leader give respect to anyone they have fought. Every post from a bob leader is propoganda to drive down the morale of their enemy. That is how they have changed. well.... Originally by: Blacklight 2006.11.21 Congrats to Omniscient Order on a good job and some nice stats. Thats from the recent Omniscient Order contract taken out on BoB on behalf of ASCN. K so its not really an entity BoB had targeted for destruction. But... since FA, lets see who was targeted for destruction... well there was Imperium and you know how much BoB love Aneu and Xirt. Then there was the southern pact which lasted for ages and BoB went on their 'roadtrip', so the north doesn't count. Stain Allaince aka Station Alliance, again Orc A was a very popular figure. Goonfleet with the Remedial solution. And now ASCN with Cryvok. To be fair, the figures that were demonized by BoB in the above mentioned lineup, were also given a hard time by the rest of the community.... I don't know what that means.. but there you have it. I missed your point I think....Your agreeing with me then? EVIL SYNNs > Bob are the best, we have to pay them to use the plexs... EVIL SYNNs > we fall at their knees to stay here... so we're their *****es!
Nifel Caldari Reikoku Band of Brothers	Posted - 2006.12.21 02:46:00 - [312] Originally by: Christopher Multsanti Originally by: Nez Perces Originally by: Christopher Multsanti The original point was that was that BOB gives respect to the enemies they has fought, the last enemy they gave respect to was fix. Then Molle made the statement I quoted above in the famous "there is no spoon" thread and started its campaign agaisnt FA. Since then I have never seen molle or any BOB leader give respect to anyone they have fought. Every post from a bob leader is propoganda to drive down the morale of their enemy. That is how they have changed. well.... Originally by: Blacklight 2006.11.21 Congrats to Omniscient Order on a good job and some nice stats. Thats from the recent Omniscient Order contract taken out on BoB on behalf of ASCN. K so its not really an entity BoB had targeted for destruction. But... since FA, lets see who was targeted for destruction... well there was Imperium and you know how much BoB love Aneu and Xirt. Then there was the southern pact which lasted for ages and BoB went on their 'roadtrip', so the north doesn't count. Stain Allaince aka Station Alliance, again Orc A was a very popular figure. Goonfleet with the Remedial solution. And now ASCN with Cryvok. To be fair, the figures that were demonized by BoB in the above mentioned lineup, were also given a hard time by the rest of the community.... I don't know what that means.. but there you have it. I missed your point I think....Your agreeing with me then? He's saying that there's been no enemies since NORAD on the alliance scale that's earned our respect. ASCN had it for a short while before CRYVOK started with his lies in an attempt to demonize us and motivate his troops. "When I die I want to die peacefully in my sleep like my grandpa. Not yelling and screaming like the passengers in his car." RKK Ranking: Sama
Nez Perces Amarr Black Spot.	Posted - 2006.12.21 02:52:00 - [313] Originally by: Christopher Multsanti I missed your point I think....Your agreeing with me then? Not really.. .... the point I'm making is that by the end of the conflicts I mentioned the reputations of the entities "targeted for destruction" was non-existant, judged by the lack of sympathy they recieved on the EVE-O boards. Now the interesting question, imo at least, is what came first the chicken or the egg?... In other words, were those entities viewed as incompetent because of BoB propaganda.. or because BoB propaganda exposed the reality of the situation, which the community at large then agreed with? e.g Goonfleet... I mean at the time pretty much everybody wanted BoB to wipe them off the face of the earth. Orc A made SA very very unpopular, nobody helped them really. Same deal with Imperium.. the standard "Hi Aneu" is a running joke to this day. And now ASCN.. nobody gives a monkey's crutch if the die or not... infact most of us would rather it be over and done with as soon as possible. Now is that on account of propaganda.. or was there something seriously wrong with those entities to start with and BoB just exposed it?
Evil Thug Rage and Terror Against ALL Authorities	Posted - 2006.12.21 03:31:00 - [314] Originally by: Nez Perces Now the interesting question, imo at least, is what came first the chicken or the egg?... In other words, were those entities viewed as incompetent because of BoB propaganda.. or because BoB propaganda exposed the reality of the situation, which the community at large then agreed with? At least you are questioning this point If target of propaganda read all bob posts, and start to feel uncomfortable - mission of forum ***s completed. Its just another way of demoralise your opponent, and raise morale of your own troops. Quote:** And now ASCN.. nobody gives a monkey's crutch if the die or not... infact most of us would rather it be over and done with as soon as possible. As for ascn - bob made leaders of ascn target of propaganda. Every post on internal forums = quoted, and laughed at. Every teamspeak speech - recorded, and again "look at this funny guy, he is lying to his own members". Now, without leader, ascn = headless. I spent loads of time reading ascn boards (who dont ? ), and it seems that Virtuozzo is right man to rule this alliance. Unfortunately it seems that there will be loads of "who are you ? you are not cyvok, so i`ll wont execute everything you said", and they will crumble. It is actually funny for those who is able to analyze, and dont go into "forum says that XYZ is bad"
Miss Overlord Gallente Ferrum Pugnus New Eve Order	Posted - 2006.12.21 10:11:00 - [315] BOB are like the roman empire at its height ( they know how to wage war and keep the baalnace of power while playing the political and espionarge mindgames at the same time) These posts represent my personal views and not those of my corp or alliance. These do not reflect offical alliance or corp views This is a disclaimer
nickycakes Shinra Lotka Volterra	Posted - 2006.12.21 10:24:00 - [316] Originally by: Miss Overlord BOB are like the roman empire at its height ( they know how to wage war and keep the baalnace of power while playing the political and espionarge mindgames at the same time) If there were an "Ancient Empires" forum, would you be swinging from the nuts of the roman empire in every thread on there? If so, theres another simmilarity. Rarely Outnumbered, Usually Outgunned, Never Outsmacked
Gragnor Ordos Humanitas	Posted - 2006.12.21 10:33:00 - [317] Originally by: Evil Thug If target of propaganda read all bob posts, and start to feel uncomfortable - mission of forum *****s completed. Its just another way of demoralise your opponent, and raise morale of your own troops. As for ascn - bob made leaders of ascn target of propaganda. Every post on internal forums = quoted, and laughed at. Every teamspeak speech - recorded, and again "look at this funny guy, he is lying to his own members". Now, without leader, ascn = headless. I spent loads of time reading ascn boards (who dont ? ), and it seems that Virtuozzo is right man to rule this alliance. Unfortunately it seems that there will be loads of "who are you ? you are not cyvok, so i`ll wont execute everything you said", and they will crumble. It is actually funny for those who is able to analyze, and dont go into "forum says that XYZ is bad" QFT The attacks on the HC of ASCN were devastating to the broader community's perception of the leadership. They were part of a venomous and targetted campaign of terror directed at the HC of ASCN. I have had nothing to do with ASCN and wish them no harm - but the post I thought most devastating to morale was hearing how the ASCN diplomat was ganked mining while the rest of the fleet was being annihilated 10 odd jumps away. Then, to make the point even more apparent, the diplomat was replaced a few days later, leaving the impression that this was in direct response to the BOB propaganda. BOOM. BOB made its point, the HC had reinforced it and the chasm between the leadership and the front line troops was made wider. An absolutely beautiful piece of propaganda that undermined the credibility of ASCN's leadership and MUST have had an impact on their morale. All those who believe that forum whoring has no impact on game play only have to perceive what happened the same way I did to understand that BOB has played the propaganda card magnificently and used it to increase the pressure on the ASCN leadership. Very clever game play, even if some think it was a bit of dirty pool. And does anyone NOT think that Cyvok's resignation was in some part attributable to the pressure he must have felt from the BOB propaganda?
Miss Overlord Gallente Ferrum Pugnus New Eve Order	Posted - 2006.12.21 10:48:00 - [318] ASCN HC should have been made up of front line troops they should hae been given the ability to roll into fountain aridia and delve in small squads like BOB early on. They didnt hit the economic fronts of BOB and made the same mistake as goonfleet those that have gotten ceasefires with BOB have been those that have taken it to em ( d2, FIX over time, various smaller groups ronin for example) These posts represent my personal views and not those of my corp or alliance. These do not reflect offical alliance or corp views This is a disclaimer
fire 59 Destructive Influence Band of Brothers	Posted - 2006.12.21 10:49:00 - [319] Originally by: Gragnor Originally by: Evil Thug If target of propaganda read all bob posts, and start to feel uncomfortable - mission of forum *****s completed. Its just another way of demoralise your opponent, and raise morale of your own troops. As for ascn - bob made leaders of ascn target of propaganda. Every post on internal forums = quoted, and laughed at. Every teamspeak speech - recorded, and again "look at this funny guy, he is lying to his own members". Now, without leader, ascn = headless. I spent loads of time reading ascn boards (who dont ? ), and it seems that Virtuozzo is right man to rule this alliance. Unfortunately it seems that there will be loads of "who are you ? you are not cyvok, so i`ll wont execute everything you said", and they will crumble. It is actually funny for those who is able to analyze, and dont go into "forum says that XYZ is bad" QFT The attacks on the HC of ASCN were devastating to the broader community's perception of the leadership. They were part of a venomous and targetted campaign of terror directed at the HC of ASCN. I have had nothing to do with ASCN and wish them no harm - but the post I thought most devastating to morale was hearing how the ASCN diplomat was ganked mining while the rest of the fleet was being annihilated 10 odd jumps away. Then, to make the point even more apparent, the diplomat was replaced a few days later, leaving the impression that this was in direct response to the BOB propaganda. BOOM. BOB made its point, the HC had reinforced it and the chasm between the leadership and the front line troops was made wider. An absolutely beautiful piece of propaganda that undermined the credibility of ASCN's leadership and MUST have had an impact on their morale. All those who believe that forum whoring has no impact on game play only have to perceive what happened the same way I did to understand that BOB has played the propaganda card magnificently and used it to increase the pressure on the ASCN leadership. Very clever game play, even if some think it was a bit of dirty pool. And does anyone NOT think that Cyvok's resignation was in some part attributable to the pressure he must have felt from the BOB propaganda? About there hc. All we did was highlight the fact that they were lying about us h4xxing, logging traps etc etc yawn. Don't wanna get found out, don't bs about us How exactly did you come to earn the space your currently inhabit? BoB lite let them keep it when they surrendered to us and stabbed Xetic between the shoulderblades.
Plan Neun Caldari Ganja Unlimited Serenity Fallen	Posted - 2006.12.21 10:54:00 - [320] Edited by: Plan Neun on 21/12/2006 10:54:16 Personal opinion: More propaganda from Sir Molle. Soon we have a minute counter! "I Will Drug You and Fluff You, through the permafrost"
Mariko San Saints Surrounded	Posted - 2006.12.21 10:57:00 - [321] Originally by: Nez Perces Originally by: Christopher Multsanti The original point was that was that BOB gives respect to the enemies they has fought, the last enemy they gave respect to was fix. Then Molle made the statement I quoted above in the famous "there is no spoon" thread and started its campaign agaisnt FA. Since then I have never seen molle or any BOB leader give respect to anyone they have fought. Every post from a bob leader is propoganda to drive down the morale of their enemy. That is how they have changed. well.... Originally by: Blacklight 2006.11.21 Congrats to Omniscient Order on a good job and some nice stats. Thats from the recent Omniscient Order contract taken out on BoB on behalf of ASCN. K so its not really an entity BoB had targeted for destruction. That is not respect, thats like a pat on the back you give to a kid when its tried its best. Its easy to be magnanimous (SIC?) and say well done to a small merc corp that got some decent ganks but which is on no real threat to you at all provided that it isnt smacky or lame.
Rod Blaine Evolution Band of Brothers	Posted - 2006.12.21 11:00:00 - [322] Originally by: Miss Overlord They didnt hit the economic fronts of BOB and made the same mistake as goonfleet those that have gotten ceasefires with BOB have been those that have taken it to em ( d2, FIX over time, various smaller groups ronin for example) Ms Overlord and assorted alts. I'm starting to get annoyed by your drivel. I'd prefer if you and your mains/alts/imaginary friends would shut up. At the very least make some sense when you drool all over the forums ffs. D2 never took it to us, goonfleet never took it to us, ronin never took it to us and not even FIX ever took it to us. In fact no-one has ever 'taken it to us'. And only fix ever got a nap. Old blog Originally by: Vriezuh Naz: John is a realist
Mariko San Saints Surrounded	Posted - 2006.12.21 11:05:00 - [323] Originally by: Nez Perces Originally by: Christopher Multsanti I missed your point I think....Your agreeing with me then? Not really.. .... the point I'm making is that by the end of the conflicts I mentioned the reputations of the entities "targeted for destruction" was non-existant, judged by the lack of sympathy they recieved on the EVE-O boards. This is simply not true. ASCN would never had got any respect on here from anyone not allied to it with or without the bob posts. If anything, the bob posts tend to have the opposite effect. For the most part you have to remember that EVE players are like supporters of football teams. They automatically "hate" anyone that is not on their team. One sides top goal scorer is the other sides diving cheating b*****d. Nobody on these forums gets any sympathy from anyone else (save that big blue got a little bit but no-one ever did anything to help them), if it was D2 getting caned everyone that wasnt their ally would applaud, if it was bob, the same, if it was LV, if it was goons, if it was AAA, if it was basically anyone but your team then you would be laughing and pointing and cheering them on to destruction, a lot of it down to the childish instinct of "if you are doing rubbish then I must be doing better than you" and the desire to be seen to be supporting the "winners". The only people that should not be effected by this are empire living neutrals but even they have their preconcieved notions and like to read anything which confirms rather than challenges them.
Rod Blaine Evolution Band of Brothers	Posted - 2006.12.21 11:06:00 - [324] Originally by: Mariko San That is not respect, thats like a pat on the back you give to a kid when its tried its best. Its easy to be magnanimous (SIC?) and say well done to a small merc corp that got some decent ganks but which is on no real threat to you at all provided that it isnt smacky or lame. We can respect skill, and we can respect dedication, or organisation, success.., need I go on ? None of our enemies have every show any of those to us face to face on a large scale. Blacklight gave his respect to OMNOR for their skill, which is right as they are very skilled and do what they do well. Who else we have fought in the last year did what they did well ? None of them did, or at least none was able to when in direct confrontation with us. Old blog Originally by: Vriezuh Naz: John is a realist
Kcel Chim Caldari Arcane Technologies The Five	Posted - 2006.12.21 11:53:00 - [325] Edited by: Kcel Chim on 21/12/2006 11:56:27 Originally by: Mariko San Originally by: Nez Perces Originally by: Christopher Multsanti The original point was that was that BOB gives respect to the enemies they has fought, the last enemy they gave respect to was fix. Then Molle made the statement I quoted above in the famous "there is no spoon" thread and started its campaign agaisnt FA. Since then I have never seen molle or any BOB leader give respect to anyone they have fought. Every post from a bob leader is propoganda to drive down the morale of their enemy. That is how they have changed. well.... Originally by: Blacklight 2006.11.21 Congrats to Omniscient Order on a good job and some nice stats. Thats from the recent Omniscient Order contract taken out on BoB on behalf of ASCN. K so its not really an entity BoB had targeted for destruction. That is not respect, thats like a pat on the back you give to a kid when its tried its best. Its easy to be magnanimous (SIC?) and say well done to a small merc corp that got some decent ganks but which is on no real threat to you at all provided that it isnt smacky or lame. Sorry to blow your bubble but there is no "respect" in eve. Respect is something which requires a mutual feeling. It simply doesnt work if one side respects its opponent and the other side couldnt care less what they think. As most events of eve history have shown respect could only prosper and grow where both sides were caught in either a) a nevereneding - stagnant conflict b) a war ends with a peace and both sides can feel like they won c) a roadtrip/contract ends, one side keeps its space the other side has a successfull contract. As soon as one side starts to lose or starts to do everything in the book to win or survive any ground for respect is null and void. You will get a good fight or "well done" but in the end there will always be one loser and one winner. Eve has the tendency to make the process of losing a long and bitter one and usually (especially these days with capital ships and outposts and sov and poses) it involves alot of damage done to ppls wallets. Back in the days you could lose 3 battleships or ten, packup and recover elsewhere within a week. Today ? Months or years worth of gametime on the line. Last but not least i wanna comment on the public perception of "respect". I see ppl not involved in the conflicts demanding respect for one side or the other but the sad truth is to earn respect in a mutual way you have to offer fun/good fights/competiton. If a side fails to do so, be it FA be it Ascn or be it Goons there is no fertile ground to grow from. Especially not if this ground is additionally poisoned by rl attacks or personal insults, a trend many recent conflicts have shown. In short: i think the "respect" times of eve in general are over because eve as a whole became far more decisive when it comes to conquering and losing valeables. If ppl build these days they are forced to leave stuff behind. Celes and their Insurgency try to live in the old eve but once npc controlled stations get removed or "the blob" comes their gameplay will vanish aswell. To create respect in this modern eve it requires 2 very mature entities facing each other and keeping it civil despite one of them losing in the end. I know you can always hope ^^
Kcel Chim Caldari Arcane Technologies The Five	Posted - 2006.12.21 12:04:00 - [326] i nearly forgot in my above post: Both sides in a conflict must want to fight. If you have a situation where one side is the attacker and the other side feels violated or has to go out of its way to deal with the attacks it will usually destroy the chance for respect because one side feels bothered. Any conflict where bob has show respect so far was based on the mutual will to fight. This observation is inline with the wars of old (CA vs SA or CA vs 3FA). Sadly there are very few alliances out there today who carve for a fight, especially since most are either tied up in their own conflicts already (due to the insame amounts of alliances we have today compared to the very few of the past) or they are part of a defense pact which usually involves more ppl (as seen with IAC or the old Coalition or the whole SA thing).
Mariko San Saints Surrounded	Posted - 2006.12.21 12:48:00 - [327] Originally by: Kcel Chim Sorry to blow your bubble but there is no "respect" in eve. Respect is something which requires a mutual feeling. It simply doesnt work if one side respects its opponent and the other side couldnt care less what they think. Was the bubble bit directed at me? Because I rather thought I was saying that there was no "respect"? Anyway, I thought yours was a good post. I think part of the reason why there is so much ill feeling from the ASCN players is that this is a conflict they dont want, as you say, they are being "bothered" by a once friendly neighbour. Yes, yes, I know all this consensual pvp, pvp is heart of eve, blah blah arguments before you start with them, I am just looking at this as a game people play to have fun. It is fun to have a war with someone you dont "like" and where the sides are balanced and you win some and lose slightly less and its a pain but not all encompassing. Its not so much fun when you are attacked for no reason other than someone elses boredom and of course it doesnt help if you lose every engagement you go into pretty much. Of course people will get all excited and say "well go to empire then" or " dont claim space" etc etc as we have all heard many times before, but it is not realy an answer its just more smack.
Kcel Chim Caldari Arcane Technologies The Five	Posted - 2006.12.21 12:57:00 - [328] Originally by: Mariko San Of course people will get all excited and say "well go to empire then" or " dont claim space" etc etc as we have all heard many times before, but it is not realy an answer its just more smack. Its not smack its the game reality. Eve doesnt require a cause for a war and that is known by everyone venturing to 0.0. You try to make out ASCN as the poor funloving guys here but ASCN did exactly those unfunny things to many other entities in eve because might makes right. EC-, Tribal Souls, Red alliance just to name a few. By building your own empire you are accepting the rules of 0.0 so any discussion about "fair" or "not fair" is really pointless. Ascn lose because they are weaker, they werent prepared, they collected the wrong kind of players. Eve is all about managing your alliance, your goals, your ressources , your politics and your playerbase. Ascn like many other groups before them failed at one or more of the forementioned parts and got the bill for it. However that has nothing to do with the respect discussion this thread circles around. If you wanna discuss this theme complex further i politely invite you to start your own thread so we dont derail this one further.
Rift Scorn Caldari Black Nova Corp Band of Brothers	Posted - 2006.12.21 13:01:00 - [329] Originally by: Christopher Multsanti The original point was that BOB gives respect to the enemies they have fought, the last enemy they gave respect to was fix. Then Molle made the statement I quoted above in the famous "there is no spoon" thread and started its campaign agaisnt FA. Since then I have never seen molle or any BOB leader give respect to anyone they have fought. Every post from a bob leader is propoganda to drive down the morale of their enemy. That is how they have changed. With all due respect, you have absolutley no idea who we have and/or haven't talked to. Who we give props to and who we don't. You read what you want to and think you know everything about BoB from the small percentage of posts you see on teh forum and nothing in-game. I could by the very same standard say 'E-R couldn't hac it in player owned 0.0, and after promising to fight for geminate, they couldn't and left on some excuse of a 0.0 tour and standings re-set where they didn't actually have a standings re-set cos they ended up throwing the T2 NAP gun at the biggest alliance in the North and other well known PvP corps that might actually give them a good fight'. Cos thats all i've seen from E-R recently on here. Truth of the matter is there's probabley a lot more to it than that. So give it a break trying to talk with authority about who we do and don't give respect to. Cos there's a lot more to it than what you read here, and the assumptions you make that you seem to think are written in stone fact. Your friendly clone activation expert, free of service to the eve community since '03
Ernest Graefenberg Minmatar Cutting Edge Incorporated RAZOR Alliance	Posted - 2006.12.21 14:08:00 - [330] Originally by: Rift Scorn Truth of the matter is there's probabley a lot more to it than that. That analogy is treading on thin ice ;)
Buxaroo Constructive Influence	Posted - 2006.12.21 14:52:00 - [331] Edited by: Buxaroo on 21/12/2006 14:53:23 Originally by: Gragnor Originally by: Evil Thug If target of propaganda read all bob posts, and start to feel uncomfortable - mission of forum ***s completed. Its just another way of demoralise your opponent, and raise morale of your own troops. As for ascn - bob made leaders of ascn target of propaganda. Every post on internal forums = quoted, and laughed at. Every teamspeak speech - recorded, and again "look at this funny guy, he is lying to his own members". Now, without leader, ascn = headless. I spent loads of time reading ascn boards (who dont ? ), and it seems that Virtuozzo is right man to rule this alliance. Unfortunately it seems that there will be loads of "who are you ? you are not cyvok, so i`ll wont execute everything you said", and they will crumble. It is actually funny for those who is able to analyze, and dont go into "forum says that XYZ is bad" QFT The attacks on the HC of ASCN were devastating to the broader community's perception of the leadership. They were part of a venomous and targetted campaign of terror directed at the HC of ASCN. I have had nothing to do with ASCN and wish them no harm - but the post I thought most devastating to morale was hearing how the ASCN diplomat was ganked mining while the rest of the fleet was being annihilated 10 odd jumps away. Then, to make the point even more apparent, the diplomat was replaced a few days later, leaving the impression that this was in direct response to the BOB propaganda. BOOM. BOB made its point, the HC had reinforced it and the chasm between the leadership and the front line troops was made wider. An absolutely beautiful piece of propaganda that undermined the credibility of ASCN's leadership and MUST have had an impact on their morale. All those who believe that forum whoring has no impact on game play only have to perceive what happened the same way I did to understand that BOB has played the propaganda card magnificently and used it to increase the pressure on the ASCN leadership. Very clever game play, even if some think it was a bit of dirty pool. And does anyone NOT think that Cyvok's resignation was in some part attributable to the pressure he must have felt from the BOB propaganda? Exactly. It's not necessarily BoB's propaganda that has resulted in ASCN's mistakes and failures. All BoB had to do was accentuate and point out ASCN's inherent failures and mistakes. And to make matters worse what does ASCN do in response to all the problems: blame others and become even more rigid. If ASCN were strong and didn't have so many weaknesses, they would have lasted longer and put up a better fight from the get go. All BoB had to do was just let ASCN do even more screwed things like self-destructing a dreadnaught and of course CYVOK's logging off with aggro timer still counting down for BoB to come in with the finishing blow. Stop blaming others for your stupidity and close-minded ways. BoB takes advantage of ASCN's weakness and then everyone blames BoB for doing what they would do if they were in same position? War is a ***, live with it. Or don't.
Christopher Multsanti Euphoria Released Euphoria Unleashed	Posted - 2006.12.21 15:25:00 - [332] Originally by: Rift Scorn Originally by: Christopher Multsanti The original point was that BOB gives respect to the enemies they have fought, the last enemy they gave respect to was fix. Then Molle made the statement I quoted above in the famous "there is no spoon" thread and started its campaign agaisnt FA. Since then I have never seen molle or any BOB leader give respect to anyone they have fought. Every post from a bob leader is propoganda to drive down the morale of their enemy. That is how they have changed. With all due respect, you have absolutley no idea who we have and/or haven't talked to. Who we give props to and who we don't. You read what you want to and think you know everything about BoB from the small percentage of posts you see on teh forum and nothing in-game. I could by the very same standard say 'E-R couldn't hac it in player owned 0.0, and after promising to fight for geminate, they couldn't and left on some excuse of a 0.0 tour and standings re-set where they didn't actually have a standings re-set cos they ended up throwing the T2 NAP gun at the biggest alliance in the North and other well known PvP corps that might actually give them a good fight'. Cos thats all i've seen from E-R recently on here. Truth of the matter is there's probabley a lot more to it than that. So give it a break trying to talk with authority about who we do and don't give respect to. Cos there's a lot more to it than what you read here, and the assumptions you make that you seem to think are written in stone fact. You make a very good point. EVIL SYNNs > Bob are the best, we have to pay them to use the plexs... EVIL SYNNs > we fall at their knees to stay here... so we're their *****es!
Tam Chi Black Nova Corp Band of Brothers	Posted - 2006.12.22 00:51:00 - [333] Good read. I stopped after the 2nd post. GJ all o/ oh and GG 3 Alliance Tourny's and 1 Titan - BOB Radio WWW.1337.FM
Gungankllr Caldari Celestial Horizon Corp. Ascendant Frontier	Posted - 2006.12.22 02:15:00 - [334] Quote: I have had nothing to do with ASCN and wish them no harm - but the post I thought most devastating to morale was hearing how the ASCN diplomat was ganked mining while the rest of the fleet was being annihilated 10 odd jumps away. Without linking to a killboard, or killmail. go to the loss on 10/09/06 on the BoB or ASCN killboard and show me how you can mine with 150mm railguns in a Destroyer. That's on BoB's killboard, not ours. The whole "mining while everyone was fighting" thing was made up by somebody who thought it sounded better. SJ was actually leading a gang that was trying to fight off their interceptor gang. Quote: Then, to make the point even more apparent, the diplomat was replaced a few days later, leaving the impression that this was in direct response to the BOB propaganda. Actually, if you check titles, I'm his assistant. SJ handles all standings requests, I just forward them on and act as an intermediary. I also work as spokesman as SJ tends to lean toward the abrasive side sometimes. Quote: BOOM. The noise you just heard was everyone falling over as the weight of BoB posts in this thread took it over the precipice. Quote: BOB made its point, I don't think they actually spun it that way, they tried to say he was NPCing or something. Quote: the HC had reinforced it and the chasm between the leadership and the front line troops was made wider. We all thought it was pretty silly, to be honest. We just looked at the killboard, and talked to the gang that was actually forming down there, and shrugged. Was all kind of dumb, to be honest. Quote: An absolutely beautiful piece of propaganda that undermined the credibility of ASCN's leadership and MUST have had an impact on their morale. Not really, no. Quote: All those who believe that forum whoring has no impact on game play only have to perceive what happened the same way I did to understand that BOB has played the propaganda card magnificently and used it to increase the pressure on the ASCN leadership. Very clever game play, even if some think it was a bit of dirty pool. I think it has an impact on gameplay, although not really where I'd like this game to go someday. BoB states time and time again that "anything goes" when it comes to winning in 0.0- Be that local smacking, forum spying, Forum propaganda, TS Spying, Offlining POS networks, etc. etc. That's fine if they want to do that. Not my thing. I think every time I see another three word title BoB post here in the forum I pay attention less. If they're having fun with that, then by all means, they paid their $15 and it's not against the rules. Boo-hooing about it won't change it. I just think that if the best this game has to offer as the "Best in Game" is BoB, then we sure did go down a wrong road somewhere. Everyone on the sidelines, we should be your wakeup call. Regardless if you lift a finger or not, better start training your fleets now. Check your recruiting practices. Make it a pain in the ass to get on your comms and forums. Get your POS roles situated. It's a very painful thing to see what you've worked so hard for chipped away bit by bit. Don't mistake this for an acquiesce, the core of this alliance will fight for every gate, moon, POS, Outpost and rock. I hope this lasts for two years so you can truly experience tedium. Quote: And does anyone NOT think that Cyvok's resignation was in some part attributable to the pressure he must have felt from the BOB crap? Of course, I believe it did, a little. The man spends a great deal of his life living under an honor code, tries to carry that into an online game, and has it challenged on quite a regular basis. I think losing the Titan, then having his petition denied was just the last straw for someone that just couldn't bear to see the things he had built dying. Hidden in this signature is a secret message. I like pie.
Blacklight Black Nova Corp Band of Brothers	Posted - 2006.12.22 02:41:00 - [335] Edited by: Blacklight on 22/12/2006 02:42:15 Originally by: Gungankllr I just think that if the best this game has to offer as the "Best in Game" is BoB, then we sure did go down a wrong road somewhere. I can't let this slide without a comment. Do you not think given the nature of the game (and the fact that MMO's in general tend to polarise this way) lends itself to having for want of a better phrase "forces of good and forces of evil"? Don't you think that given the description on the box and CCP's intention to allow all types of gameplay that having a group like BoB (regardless of whether that group was successful or not) was inevitable? I believe the answer to both those questions is yes. Yes the game and the nature of MMO's lends itself to a polarisation of a significant portion of the playerbase towards either "good" or "evil". Yes we should expect very aggressive and ruthless play styles given the nature of Eve and the way the Devs have envisaged the game should be played. So how, given the above, do you arrive at the conclusion that we have taken a wrong turn just because the "bad guys" (again for want of better terminology) happen to be on top at the moment? If BoB falls in a month, for argument's sake, and Eve goes through a period where the dominant force is one with a largely "good" playing style would that be the right way for the game to progress? What would make that the 'right' way? Frankly that statement of yours is just utter drivel Gungankllr. The only people who have gone down a wrong road somewhere are those that failed to understand the way the game is designed to work and assumed they could play sim-city in space when this is a PvP game where might makes right. If 'the good guys' want to triumph then they should get their house in order and not whine about the fact that for some nebulous unfounded reason it is 'wrong' that more aggressive and ruthless people are enjoying greater success than they are. I could go on about this whole polarisation of attitude in MMO's between 'good' and 'evil' and the fact that Eve is one of the first MMO's to provide an environment where that polarisation is less and less relevant, despite the playerbase en-masse's tendency to fall into such easily defined pigeonholes. The fact is that ASCN's play style was no more 'right' and BoB's is no more 'wrong' than any other, just because you're getting your arses kicked doesn't mean that the game and community have taken the wrong path somewhere along the way - it simply means that you need a new strategy in order to be more successful. The 'right road' in Eve is simply a matter of perception and your perception is no more valid than anyone elses - herein lies the greatness of Eve. Blog
Butter Dog ISS Navy Task Force Interstellar Starbase Syndicate	Posted - 2006.12.22 02:54:00 - [336] Originally by: Blacklight The 'right road' in Eve is simply a matter of perception and your perception is no more valid than anyone elses - herein lies the greatness of Eve. I couldn't agree with you more. ------------- Be a part of EVE history - The 500bn ISS IPO.
Roland 99 Minmatar Battlestars Imperium Alliance	Posted - 2006.12.22 03:07:00 - [337] I dont like either one of you BoB for obvious reasons ACSN for having VI and LV at +10 I was kinda hoping you would both lose _______
Gungankllr Caldari Celestial Horizon Corp. Ascendant Frontier	Posted - 2006.12.22 03:40:00 - [338] To retort: I think Eve is an interesting microcosm of humanity, to say the least. A group of persons can be either white knights or black knights, or both. Sometimes on the same day. It is this freedom that I believe is one of Eve's greatest treasures, and one of its biggest anchors. I'll get back to that in a moment. As to the formation of a group like BoB, history in MMORPG's shows that groups of elite players ALWAYS band together, to form elite groups. There's nothing wrong with that. I think it's actually good for gaming, to get people of like skills and abilities in the same arena and to give others something to strive for. Getting back to the topic of freedom. Every one of us has the freedom to say or think what we want within certain parameters. I've covered these points many times before, but they complete the core of my argument, so I feel I must present them yet again. I believe that Eve would not be remotely as good of a PVP game if it wasn't coupled with a type of voice communication such as Teamspeak or Ventrillo. It's an out of game resource, which many people use for more exciting and fast paced gaming. You cannot compare PVP with and without voice communication and say one is remotely as proficient in a tactical sense as the other. Without voice communications, one side of a conflict has a far less chance of victory (With glaring exceptions) With compromised voice communications, one side of the conflict has far less chance of victory, while the other has a far greater chance. Is this argument about teamspeak? Not really. The argument I make is the utter impossibility to sa*uard such assets from outside interference. With multiple accounts, no amount of research, no amount of steadfast investigation and patience will stop a "spy" from getting in to your organization. Obviously there is risk-management measures that can assuage the recruitment process, but in all reality, they are going to get in. I hope this isn't taken as whining, but as reality. Perhaps it is just the way my own brain is wired, I enjoy this game far more when I, for instance, come across a close match to myself in a random place, have a nail biter of a fight, and win. Or not. The grand point of everything I feel in my heart, is do you really enjoy listening to what your enemy is doing to know how to best fight him? Do you enjoy using undetectable spies in order to discover his movements, instead of working to discover them yourselves by some honest hard work and things like locator agents? Do you care more about the killmails than the actual time leading up to, and the fight itself? Is it enjoyable to sow so much discord on the public forums, that paying members of this game avoid them now? I guess the idea of a game should be something that entertains you, something you do to relax or forget about troubles, or to go cause some to burn some stress. I just wonder if there is some point you guys won't cross in the pursuit of "fun". Hidden in this signature is a secret message.** I like pie.
Lag Fest Black Nova Corp Band of Brothers	Posted - 2006.12.22 04:04:00 - [339] as you might have noticed, BoB really enjoys PvP. we love all aspects of it and we have absolutley no problems with using TS spies and forum spies. Its all part of the game, som ppl enjoy mining and building, others just pure killin and there is also a group that like to infiltrate the oponent, find out valuable info and if possible dmg the oponent from within without getting caught. Its all part of the war my dear enemy. You also mention that when you enter the game you want to relax a bit and just have fun, did it ever cross you that BoB enjoys what we are doing and that its our way of relaxing? That is the beauty of EvE, you can do whatever you want. If you want to blow something up without the risk of getting blown up urself than there are always missions in empire, if you wish only occasional PvP than there is piracy in lowsec. eve supports all types of gameplay, you just simply need to find your own type and settle with it. As for "how far would BoB go to get what they want?" We'd never brake any rules set by CCP. simple as that Best Regards Lag Fest _______________________________________
Angelica Krem Evolution Band of Brothers	Posted - 2006.12.22 10:07:00 - [340] As a semi-inactive member I really shouldnt be posting but I cant ignore this. Originally by: Gungankllr With multiple accounts, no amount of research, no amount of steadfast investigation and patience will stop a "spy" from getting in to your organization. ...... Do you enjoy using undetectable spies in order to discover his movements, instead of working to discover them yourselves by some honest hard work and things like locator agents? "Honest" hard work would include safe guarding your corporation and alliance from spies. Why do you shy away from such honest hard work? It's not only BoB that has access to your forums and internal out of game communication tools, others have admitted to have the same access, so it seems that you dont do anything to safe guard your communication pathways at all. Honest hard work includes clearing old access and basically setting up a logistical system to maintain this important out of game asset. As it is you dont even need a spy to infiltrate ASCN, disgruntled members and old member forum access seems to be enough and for a former infiltrator like my self it just looks sad to see the oldest EVE lesson be lost on such a great former contender like ASCN. And in closing I want to state that you are right it's impossible to stop a "spy" from getting into your inner circle but you can make it much harder and thus limit the number of spies that are successfull and if your sure of your security then it becomes much simpler to wash those spies away once you are infiltrated.
Dr Smythe Sha Kharn Corp Ascendant Frontier	Posted - 2006.12.22 10:29:00 - [341] OMG, actually didn't want to say anything as it's on the kazillionth page of this thread. Just wanted to show off my siggy :D God Damn I hope this works
Hast Destructive Influence Band of Brothers	Posted - 2006.12.22 10:35:00 - [342] your sig is to large, change it or the mods will nerf j0 Originally by: omeega PICTURE TOO BIG, KGB INCOMING HAVE FUN.
Dr Smythe Sha Kharn Corp Ascendant Frontier	Posted - 2006.12.22 10:39:00 - [343] no i will not :P
Tzrailasa Destructive Influence Band of Brothers	Posted - 2006.12.22 10:40:00 - [344] Originally by: Dr Smythe OMG, actually didn't want to say anything as it's on the kazillionth page of this thread. Just wanted to show off my siggy :D God Damn I hope this works From the rules: The size limits for signature graphics are as follows: * Maximum height: 120 pixels * Maximum width: 400 pixels * Maximum file size: 24,000 bytes (not kbytes) Nice sig though ..... My views are my own. They do not represent the views of my corporation or alliance.
Dr Smythe Sha Kharn Corp Ascendant Frontier	Posted - 2006.12.22 10:43:00 - [345] Thanks maybe I can make it a mini me sig :D
Hast Destructive Influence Band of Brothers	Posted - 2006.12.22 10:54:00 - [346] you are stretching the forums aswell forumcat is not pleased Originally by: omeega PICTURE TOO BIG, KGB INCOMING HAVE FUN.
Barrick Stormsworn Minmatar CAD Inc. Executive Outcomes	Posted - 2006.12.22 11:02:00 - [347] Originally by: Blacklight Edited by: Blacklight on 22/12/2006 03:21:50 Originally by: Gungankllr I just think that if the best this game has to offer as the "Best in Game" is BoB, then we sure did go down a wrong road somewhere. I can't let this slide without a comment. Do you not think given the nature of the game (and the fact that MMO's in general tend to polarise this way) Eve lends itself to having for want of a better phrase "forces of good and forces of evil"? Don't you think that given the description on the box and CCP's intention to allow all types of gameplay that having a group like BoB (regardless of whether that group was successful or not) was inevitable? I believe the answer to both those questions is yes. Yes the game and the nature of MMO's lends itself to a polarisation of a significant portion of the playerbase towards either "good" or "evil". Yes we should expect very aggressive and ruthless play styles given the nature of Eve and the way the Devs have envisaged the game should be played. So how, given the above, do you arrive at the conclusion that we have taken a wrong turn just because the "bad guys" (again for want of better terminology) happen to be on top at the moment? If BoB falls in a month, for argument's sake, and Eve goes through a period where the dominant force is one with a largely "good" playing style would that be the right way for the game to progress? What would make that the 'right' way? Frankly that statement of yours is just utter drivel Gungankllr. The only people who have gone down a wrong road somewhere are those that failed to understand the way the game is designed to work and assumed they could play sim-city in space when this is a PvP game where might makes right. If 'the good guys' want to triumph then they should get their house in order and not whine about the fact that for some nebulous unfounded reason it is 'wrong' that more aggressive and ruthless people are enjoying greater success than they are. I could go on about this whole polarisation of attitude in MMO's between 'good' and 'evil' and the fact that Eve is one of the first MMO's to provide an environment where that polarisation is less and less relevant, despite the playerbase en-masse's tendency to fall into such easily defined pigeonholes. The fact is that ASCN's play style was no more 'right' and BoB's is no more 'wrong' than any other, just because you're getting your arses kicked doesn't mean that the game and community have taken the wrong path somewhere along the way - it simply means that you need a new strategy in order to be more successful. The 'right road' in Eve is simply a matter of perception and your perception is no more valid than anyone elses - herein lies the greatness of Eve. It's nice to know that someone else acknowledges this :-) The above is what makes this a game... because EVE isn't some epic struggle between good and evil. Not really. At the end of the day, even if I just got podded by the "bad guys," I can go read a book. Or, I can go join the winning side. Sort of reminds me of BF2. Which side are the good guys and which are the bad? Of course, the "good guys" are whichever side you're currently on. Your enemies are the "bad guys." People in EVE are no different, they just seem to whine more :-P Also, I must say, reading the GHSC coup just before I started playing EVE is one of the things that drew me in. A game where literally almost anything is possible really appeals to me. I may not be a spy myself, but I heartily respect a game that makes room for that. Kudos to CCP.
Miss Overlord Gallente Ferrum Pugnus New Eve Order	Posted - 2006.12.22 11:13:00 - [348] come and join us instead we get to shoot both sides - so if u want to shoot BOB while they attack ASCN and have some fun and vise versa as well as 12 other alliacnes come and join privateers we are the mystery element in eve and making a killing ISK wise in the process These posts represent my personal views and not those of my corp or alliance. These do not reflect offical alliance or corp views This is a disclaimer
Coupo Evolution Band of Brothers	Posted - 2006.12.22 11:33:00 - [349] Originally by: Miss Overlord come and join us instead we get to shoot both sides - so if u want to shoot BOB while they attack ASCN and have some fun and vise versa as well as 12 other alliacnes come and join privateers we are the mystery element in eve and making a killing ISK wise in the process Im guessing, wrong character.. no longer a mystery to me heh I Shoot first, ask questions about your veldspar mining technique later
Pesadel0 Vagabundos THE H0RDE	Posted - 2006.12.22 11:46:00 - [350] Originally by: Miss Overlord come and join us instead we get to shoot both sides - so if u want to shoot BOB while they attack ASCN and have some fun and vise versa as well as 12 other alliacnes come and join privateers we are the mystery element in eve and making a killing ISK wise in the process Lol busted?
DB Preacher Reikoku Band of Brothers	Posted - 2006.12.22 12:00:00 - [351] Originally by: Miss Overlord come and join us instead we get to shoot both sides - so if u want to shoot BOB while they attack ASCN and have some fun and vise versa as well as 12 other alliacnes come and join privateers we are the mystery element in eve and making a killing ISK wise in the process OH NOES MISS OVERLORD DOES A LUNAS. And his main turns out to be a nobody as well :/ dbp Caldari Alliance PVP Championship Winner Current RKK Ranking: (PSCAL6) Proficient Short Tanto
Blacklight Black Nova Corp Band of Brothers	Posted - 2006.12.22 12:01:00 - [352] Originally by: Miss Overlord come and join us instead we get to shoot both sides - so if u want to shoot BOB while they attack ASCN and have some fun and vise versa as well as 12 other alliacnes come and join privateers we are the mystery element in eve and making a killing ISK wise in the process lol you really are a prize muppet Blog
pershphanie Destructive Influence Band of Brothers	Posted - 2006.12.22 12:08:00 - [353] Originally by: Gungankllr With multiple accounts, no amount of research, no amount of steadfast investigation and patience will stop a "spy" from getting in to your organization. Not true at all. If your alliance put half as much effort into finding a solution for that problem as you guys do complaining about it the problem would be solved by now. It's the reason you're losing the war. Your alliance spends more time complaining and making excuses than you spend finding solutions. Originally by: Gungankllr Obviously there is risk-management measures that can assuage the recruitment process, but in all reality, they are going to get in. With that attitude ofc they are. You have the sloppiest recruiting of any alliance in eve. You expect your enemies not to capitalize on your weaknesses? If TS spying is such a great tactic and is the reason why we are winning the war than why not do the same to level the field? Originally by: Gungankllr I hope this isn't taken as whining, but as reality. It is whining. Why would anyone take it any other way? Originally by: Gungankllr Perhaps it is just the way my own brain is wired, I enjoy this game far more when I, for instance, come across a close match to myself in a random place, have a nail biter of a fight, and win. Or not. The grand point of everything I feel in my heart, is do you really enjoy listening to what your enemy is doing to know how to best fight him? You lost the moral high ground before the war even started with Several members of your leaderships endorcement of exploits. Then to seal the deal you guys continued to endorse logging off in combat. You can't play good guy card anymore. Originally by: Gungankllr Do you enjoy using undetectable spies in order to discover his movements, instead of working to discover them yourselves by some honest hard work and things like locator agents? Do you enjoy conspiracy theorys, complaining, and blaming other people for your flaws at the expense of your alliance's future? Originally by: Gungankllr I guess the idea of a game should be something that entertains you, something you do to relax or forget about troubles, or to go cause some to burn some stress. Why are you guys even bothering to show up then? If you just want to fly around and hold hands with everyone why not move your alliance to jita? Evil bob won't interrupt your year long mining ops there. There are places you can go in eve where you can relax and forget your troubles with out people bothering you. Building the largest empire in 0.0 isn't the way to achive relaxation. You asked for it. Originally by: Gungankllr I just wonder if there is some point you guys won't cross in the pursuit of "fun". Maybe killing you is fun. If you aren't having fun no one is forcing you to stay. Just move your assests to empire and quit your corp. There is no Good vs Evil here. Just Competent vs Incompetent. Originally by: CYVOK If you surrender now we will consider letting you guys keep Fountain. -CYVOK-
Buxaroo Constructive Influence	Posted - 2006.12.22 12:13:00 - [354] Originally by: Blacklight Edited by: Blacklight on 22/12/2006 03:21:50 Originally by: Gungankllr I just think that if the best this game has to offer as the "Best in Game" is BoB, then we sure did go down a wrong road somewhere. I can't let this slide without a comment. Do you not think given the nature of the game (and the fact that MMO's in general tend to polarise this way) Eve lends itself to having for want of a better phrase "forces of good and forces of evil"? Don't you think that given the description on the box and CCP's intention to allow all types of gameplay that having a group like BoB (regardless of whether that group was successful or not) was inevitable? I believe the answer to both those questions is yes. Yes the game and the nature of MMO's lends itself to a polarisation of a significant portion of the playerbase towards either "good" or "evil". Yes we should expect very aggressive and ruthless play styles given the nature of Eve and the way the Devs have envisaged the game should be played. So how, given the above, do you arrive at the conclusion that we have taken a wrong turn just because the "bad guys" (again for want of better terminology) happen to be on top at the moment? If BoB falls in a month, for argument's sake, and Eve goes through a period where the dominant force is one with a largely "good" playing style would that be the right way for the game to progress? What would make that the 'right' way? Frankly that statement of yours is just utter drivel Gungankllr. The only people who have gone down a wrong road somewhere are those that failed to understand the way the game is designed to work and assumed they could play sim-city in space when this is a PvP game where might makes right. If 'the good guys' want to triumph then they should get their house in order and not whine about the fact that for some nebulous unfounded reason it is 'wrong' that more aggressive and ruthless people are enjoying greater success than they are. I could go on about this whole polarisation of attitude in MMO's between 'good' and 'evil' and the fact that Eve is one of the first MMO's to provide an environment where that polarisation is less and less relevant, despite the playerbase en-masse's tendency to fall into such easily defined pigeonholes. The fact is that ASCN's play style was no more 'right' and BoB's is no more 'wrong' than any other, just because you're getting your arses kicked doesn't mean that the game and community have taken the wrong path somewhere along the way - it simply means that you need a new strategy in order to be more successful. The 'right road' in Eve is simply a matter of perception and your perception is no more valid than anyone elses - herein lies the greatness of Eve. OK, time for a little azzkissing, but BL nailed it right on the head about EVE. It IS a giant sandbox in 0.0. There is no good and evil, only the aggresive and docile. This isn't EQ2. Even in EQ2 you get to choose wether you want to be on the good side or the bad side. But in EVE it has ramifications. Even though there really isn't good and evil in EVE. Only blind (or not so blind) evolution.
DeckardIRL Gallente Bravehearts Xelas Alliance	Posted - 2006.12.22 12:23:00 - [355] Originally by: Gungankllr Quote: I think losing the Titan, then having his petition denied was just the last straw for someone that just couldn't bear to see the things he had built dying. It was a failure of leadership, nothing more, nothing less. Having amassed an enormous alliance, Titan and lots of stations ASCN clearly thought that Concord would be deployed in their empire. With all of their might they should have had their own Concord and with the ability to field at a higher level than ISSN could (but kudos to ISS for having the thought to at least do that...) Deck _____________________________________________ Watchin' the Game.... Havin' a Bud.... I shoot better on Bud..... Eve Info- All you need to know
PinaNi Caldari Destructive Influence Band of Brothers	Posted - 2006.12.22 13:03:00 - [356] " Because love and fear can hardly coexist, it is much safer to be feared than to be loved" Said by some realy famous guy from the medival ages...
Constantinee Caldari PAX Interstellar Services Anarchy Empire	Posted - 2006.12.22 14:20:00 - [357] so...is this truley the end of ascn like xtec went? please tell me no..this was looking like such a good war to follow. Want a Cheap sig?
HostageTaker Black Nova Corp Band of Brothers	Posted - 2006.12.22 14:45:00 - [358] Originally by: Miss Overlord come and join us instead we get to shoot both sides - so if u want to shoot BOB while they attack ASCN and have some fun and vise versa as well as 12 other alliacnes come and join privateers we are the mystery element in eve and making a killing ISK wise in the process I just spilt some coffee! >>> EvE-Online Wallpapers <<<
Riese Blecja Gallente Merch Industrial	Posted - 2006.12.22 17:56:00 - [359] Originally by: Blacklight Originally by: Gungankllr I just think that if the best this game has to offer as the "Best in Game" is BoB, then we sure did go down a wrong road somewhere. I can't let this slide without a comment. words This is both a bit stunning and is telling of why ASCN was doomed to fail from the get-go - if BoB didn't kill them then LV, or Goonswarm, or someone else would have. It stuns me that Ascendant Frontier has existed in EVE for two years and they've still fundamentally misunderstood the nature of the game in 0.0. It has always been about competing for resources, violently - and if you cannot defend your own property then it is ripped away from you by someone who can take it. My god, 0.0 is (usually) not a place where you can just "log in casually" and "forget your troubles", 0.0 is a high-stakes poker or chess game, not a game of solitaire. If you aren't ready to play the chess game, pick up your pieces and go home. BoB is the best in the game because they believe in each other, because they're up front with one another, and because they play the game the way it is meant to be played in 0.0. Anyone from the pre-beta days knows that the game has always, always been about ruthlessly competing with others for the greatest amount of success. ASCN, you have no one to blame but yourselves for your failures, because you never understood the way the game was meant to be played in 0.0 in the first place. 0.0 space is not god damned Earth & Beyond. Almost no part of EVE is. Play EVE like E&B and you will fail forever. E&B is dead, get over it. (As an aside, E&B was a festering heap of dog crap from the get-go but that's a whole other thread...) I could say more but my point is made. Finish taking them down, BoB. Teach these tools what EVE really is.
Riese Blecja Gallente Merch Industrial	Posted - 2006.12.22 20:05:00 - [360] Originally by: Spaja Saist What has happened to BOB? Why would they let people leave? I thought it was all about the pew pew. It seems BOB is getting lazy with these eviction notices. You haven't been paying attention, then. When it's obvious that an enemy of BoB is defeated, BoB always gives a few-day "grace period" for people who want to clear out to do so before the final BoB Pain TrainÖ rolls into station. They did this with Fountain.
Spaja Saist Gallente Knights of Retribution	Posted - 2006.12.22 20:09:00 - [361] Originally by: Blacklight Edited by: Blacklight on 22/12/2006 03:21:50 Originally by: Gungankllr I just think that if the best this game has to offer as the "Best in Game" is BoB, then we sure did go down a wrong road somewhere. I can't let this slide without a comment. Do you not think given the nature of the game (and the fact that MMO's in general tend to polarise this way) Eve lends itself to having for want of a better phrase "forces of good and forces of evil"? Don't you think that given the description on the box and CCP's intention to allow all types of gameplay that having a group like BoB (regardless of whether that group was successful or not) was inevitable? I believe the answer to both those questions is yes. Yes the game and the nature of MMO's lends itself to a polarisation of a significant portion of the playerbase towards either "good" or "evil". Yes we should expect very aggressive and ruthless play styles given the nature of Eve and the way the Devs have envisaged the game should be played. So how, given the above, do you arrive at the conclusion that we have taken a wrong turn just because the "bad guys" (again for want of better terminology) happen to be on top at the moment? If BoB falls in a month, for argument's sake, and Eve goes through a period where the dominant force is one with a largely "good" playing style would that be the right way for the game to progress? What would make that the 'right' way? Frankly that statement of yours is just utter drivel Gungankllr. The only people who have gone down a wrong road somewhere are those that failed to understand the way the game is designed to work and assumed they could play sim-city in space when this is a PvP game where might makes right. If 'the good guys' want to triumph then they should get their house in order and not whine about the fact that for some nebulous unfounded reason it is 'wrong' that more aggressive and ruthless people are enjoying greater success than they are. I could go on about this whole polarisation of attitude in MMO's between 'good' and 'evil' and the fact that Eve is one of the first MMO's to provide an environment where that polarisation is less and less relevant, despite the playerbase en-masse's tendency to fall into such easily defined pigeonholes. The fact is that ASCN's play style was no more 'right' and BoB's is no more 'wrong' than any other, just because you're getting your arses kicked doesn't mean that the game and community have taken the wrong path somewhere along the way - it simply means that you need a new strategy in order to be more successful. The 'right road' in Eve is simply a matter of perception and your perception is no more valid than anyone elses - herein lies the greatness of Eve. As usual the Bobites are delusional. What he was stating, and I agree, that the out of game tactics used by BOB are pathetic and bad for the game. Of course they are allowed under the current rule set. Sure this game should be about pvp. After all it is a pvp game. But the spying and forum whoring is a little pathetic and in my opinion is outside the spirit of the game. Of course I don't expect you to stop any time soon as it helps you to whatever your goal in this game is. By the way, what is your goal? To cleans the universe of good natured players? I often find myself puzzeled by some of the allainces and corps that play this game. It seems to me that their only goal is to watch things go boom. I prefer a more immersive type of game play which is why I don't play eve anymore. I wonder what BOB will do if they actually managed to "conqure" Eve?
Spaja Saist Gallente Knights of Retribution	Posted - 2006.12.22 20:15:00 - [362] Originally by: Mud Pandemonium Edited by: Mud Pandemonium on 18/12/2006 10:57:59 Originally by: Brunswick2 I take it that you don't like ASCN? I loathe ASCN. I wish to see you and your brethren purged from EVE like the cancer you are. Every system you inhabit now belongs to Band of Brothers or any other Alliance that chooses to make their home there. It's not so much that Band of Brothers totally obliterates you. I want them to break your spirit. I want them to destroy your EVE livelihood. I want to watch as they rend your alliance limb from limb. You and the rest of ASCN should be forced into mining and manufacturing for other alliances. Every POS you established should be purged. Every ship you own should be demolished. I get a small smile knowing that you and the rest of the wretched filth known as ASCN are being slowly and mercilessly crushed. ASCN has nothing to look to now but their own oblivion. Give my regards to obscurity. For your own mental health I think you should quit eve.
Spaja Saist Gallente Knights of Retribution	Posted - 2006.12.22 20:17:00 - [363] Originally by: Mud Pandemonium Originally by: killerco why so much hate for ascn? You and your ilk refuse to see the grudging truth before you. I seek to open your eyes to the reality that is your futile existence. The space you so quaintly refer to as your own no longer belongs to you. For all intents and purposes you were squatting from the start. You, and everyone still loyal to ASCN should be forced into slavery to serve warring factions of worth. ASCN as an alliance has no worth, the space you call home is going to waste because ASCN simply refuses to come to terms with their own inevitable death. Those of you who refuse the new order as it is should be slaughtered and banished to the furthest reaches of the EVE universe, it is a new dawn. Your ships should be given to factions that could use them, your resources, your very livelihood. No one in EVE will grieve for you. No one will remember ASCN. Every day another salvo of destruction is fired into the heart of ASCN. Another ship torn asunder by enemy fire. Everyday that passes Band of Brothers tightens the vice around the pathetic notion of ASCN. ASCN is a failed ideal. ASCN is a cancer, a parasite, a virus, a disease. There is but one course of action. Your total and utter annihilation. Even then it won't be enough, the blow against Cyvok brought me much joy. Why? When I was shown his forum post I laughed, I laughed knowing he was broken. He will spend the rest of his EVE life in Empire trying to make a buck. The rest of you should suffer the same fate, Band of Brothers should not only destroy your material assets, but break your spirits as well. My hate won't stop until ASCN has been purged from EVE, its not enough that you're the laughingstock of the game, it is not enough that everyday Band of Brothers hurls a fist into your alliances collective face.. You must be broken. This coming from complex exploiters. You really should quit EVE before you burst a blood vessel somewhere important.
pershphanie Destructive Influence Band of Brothers	Posted - 2006.12.22 20:27:00 - [364] Originally by: Spaja Saist As usual the Bobites are delusional. What he was stating, and I agree, that the out of game tactics used by BOB are pathetic and bad for the game. Keep in mind using TS at all is an out of game tactic. Spying on TS is no more of an out of game tactic than using TS for communication. So who's really using out of game tactics? The alliance (bob) who infiltrates corps through ingame methods (bob spys apply to corps ingame just like everyone else) or the alliance (ascn) whos members log off during combat? BoB might be evil, but ASCN has no moral highground on us. Drop the holier than thou attitude. Originally by: Spaja Saist But the spying and forum whoring is a little pathetic and in my opinion is outside the spirit of the game. Interesting comment from someone who is unsolicitly flaming people while forum whoring. But reguardless, I disagree with your premise. I would say endless whining without the ability to do anything about it is "little pathetic and in my opinion is outside the spirit of the game". Don't like bob? Start your own alliance and kill us. Originally by: Spaja Saist To cleans the universe of good natured players? If selfish greedy crybaby = good natured player in your opinion then you are correct. Originally by: Spaja Saist I often find myself puzzeled by some of the allainces and corps that play this game. Couldnt agree more. Why would people join an alliance that centers around personal wealth with out even bothering to learn how to fight a war or work as a team? Originally by: Spaja Saist It seems to me that their only goal is to watch things go boom. I prefer a more immersive type of game play which is why I don't play eve anymore. I wonder what BOB will do if they actually managed to "conqure" Eve? so basically your point is that everyone should let ASCN peacefully mine and horde isk while taking up several regions of 0.0 space and that bob are bad sports for interupting that? Originally by: CYVOK If you surrender now we will consider letting you guys keep Fountain. -CYVOK-
Hast Destructive Influence Band of Brothers	Posted - 2006.12.22 20:27:00 - [365] Originally by: Spaja Saist As usual the Bobites are delusional. What he was stating, and I agree, that the out of game tactics used by BOB are pathetic and bad for the game. Of course they are allowed under the current rule set. Sure this game should be about pvp. After all it is a pvp game. But the spying and forum whoring is a little pathetic and in my opinion is outside the spirit of the game. Of course I don't expect you to stop any time soon as it helps you to whatever your goal in this game is. By the way, what is your goal? To cleans the universe of good natured players? I often find myself puzzeled by some of the allainces and corps that play this game. It seems to me that their only goal is to watch things go boom. I prefer a more immersive type of game play which is why I don't play eve anymore. I wonder what BOB will do if they actually managed to "conqure" Eve? You are so wrapped into your little carebear hide that you cant see what eve is all about. If you want to stop us from stealing our toys it is in your power to do so. Instead you prefer to cry foul on the forums at every turn, Belittle our accomplishments and act like this is sim city in space. Its not the way it works. If you want to build something in lawless space and impose laws on it. You better be prepared to defend it. Instead of doing that you chose to cry foul yet again and then proceed to quit the game. I think possibly a game where there is no loss upon death might be more suited for you. Or possibly a single player game where you dont have to worry about "other players ruining your gaming experience." Lets see 1. keeping out of our way didnt work 2. Calling us exploiters and whatnot didnt work 3. Crying foul play didnt work I guess the next logical step for ascn members is quitting the game, atleast as far as I can read off these forums. Seems that at every page you have atleast one ascn member touting that the community has gone downhill and that they are quitting the game. Let me ask you one simple question then Spaja Saist. What is the difference between us invading you and you invading and killing off Tribal Souls? Do you really think that it was fair to them to take their space and outposts? What about your socalled roadtrips up north when you helped us kill of the TRUST poses? Your hipocrisy and poor sportsmanship shines through at every turn. Originally by: omeega PICTURE TOO BIG, KGB INCOMING HAVE FUN.
W1rst23n2r Caldari Species 5618 Ascendant Frontier	Posted - 2006.12.22 20:42:00 - [366] But Hast. When you asked ASCN to help you take that outpost, that was not because you needed them really. By then,you already knew,what date and time your invasion will take place. But by inviting ascn to help you, you made pretty damn sure,that the north will not come to their aide at any time. ASCN just walked into that trap they never saw as one. That plan worked just,as you thought it would to your advance. ascn leadership never looked over the edge of their own little soup bowl they caled ascenia and that was their big mistake,that will cost them. That's my own thoughts about that and has nothing to do with either my corp's or alliance points of view.
Gungankllr Caldari Celestial Horizon Corp. Ascendant Frontier	Posted - 2006.12.22 21:06:00 - [367] I know you get a little wound up Hast, but Spaja isn't in Ascendant Frontier. They're just a bystander commenting on what they see. Regarding Tribal Souls, and Paragon Soul for that matter, has absolutely nothing to do with this conflict. The only thing they have in common is ships were used. CYVOK contacted them on multiple occasions asking them to fix the problems. They decided to ignore CYVOK, and measures were taken. We gave them ample opportunity to remove assets, we didn't smack them, we didn't accept offers to offline their POS. We went in and kicked them out. When their members would log in after an extended absence, we gave them travel passes to get out with their assets. I'm sure that several people from ex-tribal souls corporations can attest I spent a good deal of time arranging travel passes for people that were out of game for some time. We didn't get on their teamspeak, we didn't get on their forums. We didn't need to treat them in a terribly uncivil manner. We simply went in, did a job, and cleaned up. We didn't need to make a huge splash, new forum posts every week. We let our actions speak for themselves. As for the EC campaign, I don't know if we asked you for help, or you asked us. We ended up there camping gates for 4-5 days. Considering that G at the time was pretty much the biggest threat to ASCN at the time, and TRUST was their capital ship builder, it made sense to remove that ability from them, albeit temporarily. When it comes to moral high ground, it's obvious to just about everyone that morality isn't a factor in BoB, so why bother bringing it up? You had a chance to fight this war against us just like G did, no forum idiocy, no POS offlining, no TS spying. Just really good fights. I respect the alliance that was G as an entity, because they fought us hard, and they fought us fair. I have zero respect for Band of Brothers anymore. Will any of you care if I respect you or not? I doubt it. And please, get over yourselves. Trying to compare CYVOK or John lying about something making us less honorable than you is preposterous. Using tactics whereupon any casual observer would consider foul and nefarious, even borderline, is less honorable than that. Hidden in this signature is a secret message. I like pie.
Spaja Saist Gallente Knights of Retribution	Posted - 2006.12.22 21:11:00 - [368] Originally by: Rod Blaine Originally by: Miss Overlord They didnt hit the economic fronts of BOB and made the same mistake as goonfleet those that have gotten ceasefires with BOB have been those that have taken it to em ( d2, FIX over time, various smaller groups ronin for example) Ms Overlord and assorted alts. I'm starting to get annoyed by your drivel. I'd prefer if you and your mains/alts/imaginary friends would shut up. At the very least make some sense when you drool all over the forums ffs. D2 never took it to us, goonfleet never took it to us, ronin never took it to us and not even FIX ever took it to us. In fact no-one has ever 'taken it to us'. And only fix ever got a nap. The same could be said for you and the rest of the BOB trollers.
Metal Dude Destructive Influence Band of Brothers	Posted - 2006.12.22 21:19:00 - [369] Originally by: Gungankllr ... Using tactics whereupon any casual observer would consider foul and nefarious, even borderline, is less honorable than that. Yes. CONTROL-Q and Lag tactics are very honorable. And like I told you before, Mr. Hypocrite. By your own admission, ASCN uses spies too. You just aren't as good as BoB at it. The truth will set you free
Sochin Reikoku Band of Brothers	Posted - 2006.12.22 21:21:00 - [370] Originally by: Gungankllr You had a chance to fight this war against us just like G did, no forum idiocy, no POS offlining, no TS spying. Just really good fights. I respect the alliance that was G as an entity, because they fought us hard, and they fought us fair. I have zero respect for Band of Brothers anymore. Will any of you care if I respect you or not? I doubt it. And please, get over yourselves. Trying to compare CYVOK or John lying about something making us less honorable than you is preposterous. You guys are right. The game has gone downhill. Its gone downhill because sniveling whiners like your entire alliance are more content to *** and moan about how unfair life is then do anything about it. I am *** SICK of hearing you and your ilk complain about spying. ITS A GODDAMN LEGIT TACTIC, AND ITS COMMON *** SENSE. We play the game as we see fit. Not how you do. We don't give a flying if you think we're lame, because we think you are **y little kindergarteners. You sound like an 8 year old whining that someone stole their lunch money and gave you a swirly. STAND UP FOR YOURSELVES. Now stop whining and do something about your problem, or you will be dead before new years. Nemo me impune lacessit*
Spaja Saist Gallente Knights of Retribution	Posted - 2006.12.22 21:23:00 - [371] Originally by: Riese Blecja Originally by: Spaja Saist What has happened to BOB? Why would they let people leave? I thought it was all about the pew pew. It seems BOB is getting lazy with these eviction notices. You haven't been paying attention, then. When it's obvious that an enemy of BoB is defeated, BoB always gives a few-day "grace period" for people who want to clear out to do so before the final BoB Pain TrainÖ rolls into station. They did this with Fountain. I think it's you that hasn't been paying attention. They've been posting this crap for months.
Spaja Saist Gallente Knights of Retribution	Posted - 2006.12.22 21:29:00 - [372] Originally by: pershphanie Originally by: Spaja Saist As usual the Bobites are delusional. What he was stating, and I agree, that the out of game tactics used by BOB are pathetic and bad for the game. Keep in mind using TS at all is an out of game tactic. Spying on TS is no more of an out of game tactic than using TS for communication. So who's really using out of game tactics? The alliance (bob) who infiltrates corps through ingame methods (bob spys apply to corps ingame just like everyone else) or the alliance (ascn) whos members log off during combat? BoB might be evil, but ASCN has no moral highground on us. Drop the holier than thou attitude. Originally by: Spaja Saist But the spying and forum whoring is a little pathetic and in my opinion is outside the spirit of the game. Interesting comment from someone who is unsolicitly flaming people while forum whoring. But reguardless, I disagree with your premise. I would say endless whining without the ability to do anything about it is "little pathetic and in my opinion is outside the spirit of the game". Don't like bob? Start your own alliance and kill us. Originally by: Spaja Saist To cleans the universe of good natured players? If selfish greedy crybaby = good natured player in your opinion then you are correct. Originally by: Spaja Saist I often find myself puzzeled by some of the allainces and corps that play this game. Couldnt agree more. Why would people join an alliance that centers around personal wealth with out even bothering to learn how to fight a war or work as a team? Originally by: Spaja Saist It seems to me that their only goal is to watch things go boom. I prefer a more immersive type of game play which is why I don't play eve anymore. I wonder what BOB will do if they actually managed to "conqure" Eve? so basically your point is that everyone should let ASCN peacefully mine and horde isk while taking up several regions of 0.0 space and that bob are bad sports for interupting that? Still dellusional I see. My post was not in anyway in defense of ASCN. Their inaction and continued recruitment of heavily industrial corps undermined their ability to defend their space. I'm speaking about the underhanded way people choose to win in this game. It's no longer about having a good fight. What honor their was in this game has gone the way of the dodo. Now it's all about win at all costs. That sir is my lament. Personally I blame the devs for letting it get out of control. When the devs won't ban people for exploits it sends a bad message to everyone else. I am refering to the complex exploiting by the way.
Spaja Saist Gallente Knights of Retribution	Posted - 2006.12.22 21:31:00 - [373] Originally by: Hast Originally by: Spaja Saist As usual the Bobites are delusional. What he was stating, and I agree, that the out of game tactics used by BOB are pathetic and bad for the game. Of course they are allowed under the current rule set. Sure this game should be about pvp. After all it is a pvp game. But the spying and forum whoring is a little pathetic and in my opinion is outside the spirit of the game. Of course I don't expect you to stop any time soon as it helps you to whatever your goal in this game is. By the way, what is your goal? To cleans the universe of good natured players? I often find myself puzzeled by some of the allainces and corps that play this game. It seems to me that their only goal is to watch things go boom. I prefer a more immersive type of game play which is why I don't play eve anymore. I wonder what BOB will do if they actually managed to "conqure" Eve? You are so wrapped into your little carebear hide that you cant see what eve is all about. If you want to stop us from stealing our toys it is in your power to do so. Instead you prefer to cry foul on the forums at every turn, Belittle our accomplishments and act like this is sim city in space. Its not the way it works. If you want to build something in lawless space and impose laws on it. You better be prepared to defend it. Instead of doing that you chose to cry foul yet again and then proceed to quit the game. I think possibly a game where there is no loss upon death might be more suited for you. Or possibly a single player game where you dont have to worry about "other players ruining your gaming experience." Lets see 1. keeping out of our way didnt work 2. Calling us exploiters and whatnot didnt work 3. Crying foul play didnt work I guess the next logical step for ascn members is quitting the game, atleast as far as I can read off these forums. Seems that at every page you have atleast one ascn member touting that the community has gone downhill and that they are quitting the game. Let me ask you one simple question then Spaja Saist. What is the difference between us invading you and you invading and killing off Tribal Souls? Do you really think that it was fair to them to take their space and outposts? What about your socalled roadtrips up north when you helped us kill of the TRUST poses? Your hipocrisy and poor sportsmanship shines through at every turn. Must I reply to everyone of you. I am not in ASCN. I do not condone their handling of the conflict. Get that through your thick skull.
slip66 Black Nova Corp Band of Brothers	Posted - 2006.12.22 21:31:00 - [374] Originally by: W1rst23n2r But Hast. When you asked ASCN to help you take that outpost, that was not because you needed them really. By then,you already knew,what date and time your invasion will take place. But by inviting ascn to help you, you made pretty damn sure,that the north will not come to their aide at any time. ASCN just walked into that trap they never saw as one. That plan worked just,as you thought it would to your advance. ascn leadership never looked over the edge of their own little soup bowl they caled ascenia and that was their big mistake,that will cost them. That's my own thoughts about that and has nothing to do with either my corp's or alliance points of view. lol molle is evil but come on... more likely that the offer was made and your HC JUMPED at the chance for some revenge on G... Originally by: StOrM ViPeR Theres a skill called surgical strike in game I've learned that it actually stands for Band of Brothers
Spaja Saist Gallente Knights of Retribution	Posted - 2006.12.22 21:33:00 - [375] Originally by: Sochin Originally by: Gungankllr You had a chance to fight this war against us just like G did, no forum idiocy, no POS offlining, no TS spying. Just really good fights. I respect the alliance that was G as an entity, because they fought us hard, and they fought us fair. I have zero respect for Band of Brothers anymore. Will any of you care if I respect you or not? I doubt it. And please, get over yourselves. Trying to compare CYVOK or John lying about something making us less honorable than you is preposterous. You guys are right. The game has gone downhill. Its gone downhill because sniveling whiners like your entire alliance are more content to *** and moan about how unfair life is then do anything about it. I am *** SICK of hearing you and your ilk complain about spying. ITS A GODDAMN LEGIT TACTIC, AND ITS COMMON *** SENSE. We play the game as we see fit. Not how you do. We don't give a flying if you think we're lame, because we think you are ***y little kindergarteners. You sound like an 8 year old whining that someone stole their lunch money and gave you a swirly. STAND UP FOR YOURSELVES. Now stop whining and do something about your problem, or you will be dead before new years. You just whined about whinning. Does that make you a hypocrit or just stupid? I'll let you decide.
Monahlott Minmatar	Posted - 2006.12.22 23:08:00 - [376] Timing is everything.would AAA hve attacked Axe if ascn had not been at war with Bob?Would Bob have attacked ascn if LV and V and co where not busy with RA and Goons?Would AAA have attacked huzzah if they had kept their leaders?Or Bob attacked G if they had not been busy with ascn in feyth?Sheesh!It aint rocket science!Work it out already.Tick Tock
Brunswick2 eXceed Inc. Ascendant Frontier	Posted - 2006.12.22 23:18:00 - [377] linkage --------------------------------- Bah, I broke my edited sig!
pershphanie Destructive Influence Band of Brothers	Posted - 2006.12.22 23:23:00 - [378] Originally by: Spaja Saist I'm speaking about the underhanded way people choose to win in this game. It's no longer about having a good fight. What honor their was in this game has gone the way of the dodo. Now it's all about win at all costs. Nothing has changed. All war is the same. You find your enemies weaknesses and match them up against your strengths. You might see spy tactics as dishonorable or underhanded, but it really isn't. We break no rules. We do not cheat. We just attack people where they are weak. Unconventional methods of attack are not necessarily dishonorable in nature. As long as you stay inside game mechanics then what's the problem? If you are looking for a simple point and shoot game then go play counterstrike. In eve war just isnt that simple. Originally by: Spaja Saist That sir is my lament. Personally I blame the devs for letting it get out of control. When the devs won't ban people for exploits it sends a bad message to everyone else. I am refering to the complex exploiting by the way. Proof or stfu! BoB does not exploit. It is quite lame to accuse people of exploiting on a whim. Originally by: CYVOK If you surrender now we will consider letting you guys keep Fountain. -CYVOK-
chiXu1 Caldari Lion's Emporium	Posted - 2006.12.22 23:52:00 - [379] After having looked over all of the evidence, i have come to the following conclusion. BoB > all the whiners. more cheese sir? I r a fish, k, i r like, liking fish, k, like, fish, or smthn
Red Six Reikoku Band of Brothers	Posted - 2006.12.23 00:10:00 - [380] Originally by: Brunswick2 linkage I lol'd Spaja go back to your carebear corner where pvp is consensual like you like and believe Eve pvp should be. I haven't forgotten you ranting about it on TS. Originally by: Eridu Fallen Upon closer inspection, that Caldari BS doesn't even look like it got hit with the ugly stick, it looks like it is the ugly stick.
Avon Caldari Black Nova Corp Band of Brothers	Posted - 2006.12.23 00:12:00 - [381] Just like to chip in about all the "whatever happened to BoB just liking to pew pew, why all the underhanded stuff?" questions. With ASCN, as with almost everyone else we come up against, we saw the ultimate anti-BoB tactic of "don't play their game, they want fights, don't give them fights, they will get bored and leave". Well, surprisingly, this has been just as effective for ASCN as it has been for just about everyone else who has tried it, that is to say not at all. While they have been cunningly executing their tactics to perfection, we have been taking their space with a reasonable amount of ease. Maybe, just maybe, the next people we come up against may formulate a more effective strategy? The Battleships is not and should not be a solo pwnmobile - Oveur
Monarch Destructive Influence Band of Brothers	Posted - 2006.12.23 00:15:00 - [382] Originally by: Gungankllr things Your alliance lost the moral high ground when it was founded on backstabbing. Perhaps that was the reason no one comes to your aide despite the multiple whaambulance posts. At the moment you are dying a disgraceful shameful death, we are killing your poses in your capitol system and there are barely and ascn around. In fact there are more people mining and ratting in k-9 and r97 than there are in AZN mounting any type of defense, perfect example why you lost this war. To everyone else that is quitting because you got your asses handed to you by a better alliance, good riddance. To everyone who is leaving ASCN with the intent on sticking it to bob at every possible turn, good for you, we welcome the challenge. Like the saying goes "it's all over but the crying"
pershphanie Destructive Influence Band of Brothers	Posted - 2006.12.23 00:24:00 - [383] Originally by: Gungankllr We gave them ample opportunity to remove assets, we didn't smack them, we didn't accept offers to offline their POS. Still trying to make yourself sound morally superior? Your alliance smacktalks now. You don't get points for not doing it then. Your alliance would use spys on bob if it could. That has been made very clear. Not being good at spying does not make you morally superior. Originally by: Gungankllr We didn't get on their teamspeak, we didn't get on their forums. We didn't need to treat them in a terribly uncivil manner. The only reason ASCN is getting treated in an uncivil manor is because of your actions. You guys really shouldn't have unfoundedly accused us of cheating so much while endorsing/using your own questionable tactics. You can see why that might make someone mad right? Bad move. Originally by: Gungankllr When it comes to moral high ground, it's obvious to just about everyone that morality isn't a factor in BoB, so why bother bringing it up? Morality isn't a factor for ASCN either. It's just a little act you play. You might be right about us being the bad guys, but that doesn't make you the good guys by default. The moral high ground stuff only gets brought up because you and other members of your alliance get a holier-than-though tone. You've proven over and over that you would use every tactic we use + more if you were capible. You try to pass off your incompetence as moral superiority. Think about it like this; If you try and punch someone and miss it does not make you a pacifist. It just makes you a bad fighter. Originally by: Gungankllr You had a chance to fight this war against us just like G did, no forum idiocy, no POS offlining, no TS spying. Just really good fights. You had those same chances. You chose to unfoundedly accuse us of exploiting, cry, blame us for all the problems in your alliance, while endorsing your own questionable tactics, and being a major disappointment in every way. In public eye you pretend to be looking for good clean fights. On your forums/ts your leaders have endorsed exploitive tactics. In private you attempt to infiltrate bob with spys while publicly you ridicule us for it. Sleazy, whiny, and incompetent is not a good combo. Maybe you should try a new approach? Originally by: Gungankllr I respect the alliance that was G as an entity, because they fought us hard, and they fought us fair. I have zero respect for Band of Brothers anymore. Will any of you care if I respect you or not? I doubt it. Nope. Don't care. Keep your respect. The feeling is mutual. Originally by: Gungankllr And please, get over yourselves. Trying to compare CYVOK or John lying about something making us less honorable than you is preposterous. Using tactics whereupon any casual observer would consider foul and nefarious, even borderline, is less honorable than that. Bob plays within game mechanics, ASCN does not. You have an arbitrary sliding scale of what you think is right and wrong. It changes depending on what suits you at that point in time. Bob has a clear defined line we don't cross. Does that make Bob the good guys? no, it doesnt. But it does makes ASCN very sleezy. Originally by: CYVOK If you surrender now we will consider letting you guys keep Fountain. -CYVOK-
Apollo Balthar Minmatar The Sausage Smuggling Syndicate	Posted - 2006.12.23 00:29:00 - [384] Originally by: Gungankllr * stuff* a) Regarding Tribal Souls, and Paragon Soul for that matter, has absolutely nothing to do with this conflict. stuff b) we didn't smack them stuff c) We went in and kicked them out. A) true B) lie C) that's where it comes down to. All hypocrit bull**** aside, you kicked these guys out of the stations where they worked very hard for, which is the same thing half your carebear club is whining about now (boohoo, were industrial, boohoo leave us alone). And what for? I was in TS at the time and what your carebearclub statet was that we would not have been able to defend Paragon Soul properly against the BoB threat. We all know how well that worked out. So stop being a hypocrit and start taking responsibility about your actions! All I have seen from ASCN HQ then and now is whining, twisting, spinning and lying about their hypocrit little goals. Never have i seen a public statement that assumed taking any responsibility for any action. As you have lost any respect for BoB (I fail to see why) I think most of the sane community have lost respect for ASCN. Luckily you will just fade away, and your stations will be renamed and rented out to those who deserve to live in Feythabolis. FFS, CYVOK couldn't even face responsibilty for his Titan loss to the ASCN members that worked so hard for his little toy. All he could do was insinuate an exploit was used and CCP denied his petition. Nuff said. Stop taking the moral highground. It's an illusion. ------------------------------------------------ WTS: tech2 clue
Spaja Saist Gallente Knights of Retribution	Posted - 2006.12.23 00:33:00 - [385] Originally by: pershphanie Originally by: Spaja Saist I'm speaking about the underhanded way people choose to win in this game. It's no longer about having a good fight. What honor their was in this game has gone the way of the dodo. Now it's all about win at all costs. Nothing has changed. All war is the same. You find your enemies weaknesses and match them up against your strengths. You might see spy tactics as dishonorable or underhanded, but it really isn't. We break no rules. We do not cheat. We just attack people where they are weak. Unconventional methods of attack are not necessarily dishonorable in nature. As long as you stay inside game mechanics then what's the problem? If you are looking for a simple point and shoot game then go play counterstrike. In eve war just isnt that simple. Originally by: Spaja Saist That sir is my lament. Personally I blame the devs for letting it get out of control. When the devs won't ban people for exploits it sends a bad message to everyone else. I am refering to the complex exploiting by the way. Proof or stfu! BoB does not exploit. It is quite lame to accuse people of exploiting on a whim. You have got to be the most dense person I've ever had the misfortune to reply to. I cited a known exploit that even CCP admitted to. Was I calling BOB exploiters? No I wasn't. And you do not dictate what is or isn't honorable. BOB has proven in this conflict that they will use every underhanded way to win. I find no honor in that. You don't care because you are incapable of understanding what honor is or means. Does it mean you cheated? No it doesn't. CCP seems to like your ilk for some reason so they allow those tactics. I for one would never stoop to your level to win. Win at all costs is fine in the real world were real lives are at stake. To do so in a game just attests to your character and the character of your alliance. I know you and everyone in BOB doesn't care. That's fine, doesn't matter one way or another. But don't sit there and act like the way you comport yourselves is anything less than dishonorable.
Spaja Saist Gallente Knights of Retribution	Posted - 2006.12.23 00:37:00 - [386] Originally by: Red Six Originally by: Brunswick2 linkage I lol'd Spaja go back to your carebear corner where pvp is consensual like you like and believe Eve pvp should be. I haven't forgotten you ranting about it on TS. I never said pvp should be consensual. That would be silly and wouldn't work in this game environment. PVP is essential to what eve is. The only thing I don't like is griefers. And there are many flavors of griefing in this game such as suicide killing noobs in empire. That's just plain pathetic. Large scale alliance warfare is good and makes sense. Although I would tend to need a reason to go to war beyond "you called us names". Defending your homeland, stopping an aggressive neighbor and so on are what I would consider lagitamit reasons. But that's just me.
Spaja Saist Gallente Knights of Retribution	Posted - 2006.12.23 00:39:00 - [387] Originally by: Avon Just like to chip in about all the "whatever happened to BoB just liking to pew pew, why all the underhanded stuff?" questions. With ASCN, as with almost everyone else we come up against, we saw the ultimate anti-BoB tactic of "don't play their game, they want fights, don't give them fights, they will get bored and leave". Well, surprisingly, this has been just as effective for ASCN as it has been for just about everyone else who has tried it, that is to say not at all. While they have been cunningly executing their tactics to perfection, we have been taking their space with a reasonable amount of ease. Maybe, just maybe, the next people we come up against may formulate a more effective strategy? This sir is a flat out lie. I believe what they actually meant was don't fight on BOB's terms. Makes sense when you are fighting a better trained force. How would not fighting help them win? That doesn't even remotely make any sense.
firefreeze	Posted - 2006.12.23 00:59:00 - [388] Edited by: firefreeze on 23/12/2006 00:59:28 Why bother
j0sephine Caldari Reikoku Band of Brothers	Posted - 2006.12.23 01:15:00 - [389] Edited by: j0sephine on 23/12/2006 01:15:32 "This sir is a flat out lie. I believe what they actually meant (..) How would not fighting help them win? That doesn't even remotely make any sense." You'd be surprised, yet utter lack of sense never stopped people from trying it before. Btw, to call Avon a liar simply because you cannot comprehend people do actually try this kind of stupid "tactics" and you believe in different interpretation ... well, i'd refrain from it.
pershphanie Destructive Influence Band of Brothers	Posted - 2006.12.23 01:38:00 - [390] Originally by: Spaja Saist You have got to be the most dense person I've ever had the misfortune to reply to. I cited a known exploit that even CCP admitted to. Was I calling BOB exploiters? No I wasn't. Maybe I am dense, you might be right. The only thing I'm sure of atm is that one of us isn't making much sense and is possibly a few cards short of a full deck. Ok. So I don't get it. You reply to a post about BOB vs ASCN with your opinions. Then you flame me because I assumed you were talking about ASCN in my last post. Then in this thread you flame me because I assumed you were talking about bob. So if you were not talking about ASCN and you were not talking about bob and you were not talking about ASCN then who the hell are you talking about? Do you see how that might get confusing for me? Originally by: Spaja Saist And you do not dictate what is or isn't honorable. Fair enough. Originally by: Spaja Saist BOB has proven in this conflict that they will use every underhanded way to win. I find no honor in that. You don't care because you are incapable of understanding what honor is or means. lol. ok. Now I understand. I can't have my opinion on what honorable is because you must have appointed yourself the honor fairy. Sorry, I missed the memmo. You dictate what honor is. Obviously this must be the case because if I were incharge of what isn't honorable telling someone they can not do something and then in the same breath doing that exact same thing would be on my list. I get it. Thank you for clearing that up. My mistake. Originally by: Spaja Saist Does it mean you cheated? No it doesn't. Great. We agree. So what exactly are you flamming us for then? Originally by: Spaja Saist CCP seems to like your ilk for some reason so they allow those tactics. There it is. Was wondering when the massive conspiracy and tin foil hat related stuff would come out. Don't worry. We get it. CCP favors bob. It's because we are all CCP alts. Originally by: Spaja Saist I for one would never stoop to your level to win. Win at all costs is fine in the real world were real lives are at stake. To do so in a game just attests to your character and the character of your alliance. What level is that? What specifically did we do and why is it wrong. We play with in the limitations of the game. I don't see you crusading against ASCN who on occasion have been known to abuse game mechanics/metagame. Why is it ok for them to abuse game mechanics but not ok for us to use tactics that stay completly inside game mechanics. Because we use non-traditional tactics? There are fairly simple counters to all the tactics we use. Just because they are not creative enough to solve their problems that means we aren't playing fair? What defines something as a honorable/dishonorable tactic anyways? Who does get to decide that? You? ASCN? Why? Why doesn't honorable = playing by the rules and dishonorable = cheating? Why is whatever arbitrary set of rules you make up to suit your purposes at the time a better definition of what honorable is than the set of rules the game makes? Originally by: Spaja Saist I know you and everyone in BOB doesn't care. That's fine, doesn't matter one way or another. Maybe people would care if you came off as half way credible. But you didn't. Youve made about half a dozen posts in this thread advocating ASCN by saying we are the ones acting dishonorable. Yet you haven't even bothered to say what we did that you consider to be dishonorable and why it so bad. You haven't even said what you think honorable is. All you've done is spout of vague nonsense. If you were telling us something that we were doing is wrong and then telling us specifically why it is wrong then maybe people would care. You whine, contradict yourself, and baselessly slander people. You sure youre not in ASCN? Originally by: CYVOK If you surrender now we will consider letting you guys keep Fountain. -CYVOK-
Lord Draco Destructive Influence Band of Brothers	Posted - 2006.12.23 01:49:00 - [391] Originally by: W1rst23n2r But Hast. When you asked ASCN to help you take that outpost, that was not because you needed them really. By then,you already knew,what date and time your invasion will take place. But by inviting ascn to help you, you made pretty damn sure,that the north will not come to their aide at any time. lol, you're giving us little too much credit there.
Caybn E'vangel Black Nova Corp Band of Brothers	Posted - 2006.12.23 01:51:00 - [392] Originally by: Spaja Saist I never said pvp should be consensual. ---- Defending your homeland, stopping an aggressive neighbor and so on are what I would consider lagitamit reasons. But that's just me. Someone needs to be attacking for you to be defending, someone needs to BE that aggressive neighbor if your going to "stop" them. If your saying the only legitimate reasons for combat are defense... Then by your logic there's no legitimate situation for combat. I'd call that being against Non-consentual PvP, your point was? I don't want the world, I just want your half.
Mariko San Saints Surrounded	Posted - 2006.12.23 02:08:00 - [393] Originally by: Avon Just like to chip in about all the "whatever happened to BoB just liking to pew pew, why all the underhanded stuff?" questions. With ASCN, as with almost everyone else we come up against, we saw the ultimate anti-BoB tactic of "don't play their game, they want fights, don't give them fights, they will get bored and leave". Well, surprisingly, this has been just as effective for ASCN as it has been for just about everyone else who has tried it, that is to say not at all. While they have been cunningly executing their tactics to perfection, we have been taking their space with a reasonable amount of ease. Maybe, just maybe, the next people we come up against may formulate a more effective strategy? eeerm have you never looked at your own KB? Everyday you see the slaughter of dozens and dozens of ASCN ships, so how does this tally up with them refusing to fight you? They may be / are a bit crap at pvp, but it doesnt mean they have not tried, or how else do you explain all those losses? And I am sure that like everyone else bob picks and chooses when to fight, dont you? Very poor excuse. I think you guys slipped up by admitting all that stuff as going on because it put you square into lamer territory and the more you deny you care the more it seems that you do. Would have been much better to have denied it was going on and played your much used "OMG tinfoil hats/conspiracy posts" which always go down a treat on here.
Avon Caldari Black Nova Corp Band of Brothers	Posted - 2006.12.23 02:26:00 - [394] Edited by: Avon on 23/12/2006 02:26:55 Originally by: Mariko San eeerm have you never looked at your own KB? Everyday you see the slaughter of dozens and dozens of ASCN ships, so how does this tally up with them refusing to fight you? They may be / are a bit crap at pvp, but it doesnt mean they have not tried, or how else do you explain all those losses? And I am sure that like everyone else bob picks and chooses when to fight, dont you? Very poor excuse. I think you guys slipped up by admitting all that stuff as going on because it put you square into lamer territory and the more you deny you care the more it seems that you do. Would have been much better to have denied it was going on and played your much used "OMG tinfoil hats/conspiracy posts" which always go down a treat on here. Losing ships is to fighting what losing weight is to eating. Your "proof" of effort fails, sorry. As to the underhanded tactics, I honestly do not agree. If we hacked ASCN's TS, or their forums, that would be one thing, but using the access you have been given as a member (or by a member) of that alliance is quite another. Ultimately, if the risk of using a third party out of game utility to enhance your Eve effectiveness is higher than the reward, don't use it. Anyone who uses voice comms is already trying to get an OOG advantage, and yet they cry when it becomes a disadvantage. The irony is not wasted on me. Besides, ASCN have admitted repeatedly that they use spies, so what is the problem? Are BoB evil not because they use spies, but because their spies are effective? BoB are the bad guys (well, I see us as bringing enforced peace, so maybe we are are ultimately a good thing?), and we do not strive to be liked. The more people throw mud at us, the better we must be doing. All the "booing" and "hissing" and cries of "he's behind you!" just serve to add to our pantomime style of evil, and we love it. However, there is a difference between that and actual accusations of cheating, or CCP favoritism, and other such things. When people actually start to believe that stuff, then that can become detrimental - not to BoB, because it makes us seem even more powerful - but to the game itself. We are good at what we do, and we are ruthless and relentless. You may not agree with our methods, but they are legitimate, even if they are "evil" or "immoral" .. which is to be expected, we wear the black hats, and we shoot the guys in the white hats. The Battleships is not and should not be a solo pwnmobile - Oveur
Dr Spacejunk FIRESTORM INC	Posted - 2006.12.23 02:39:00 - [395] Originally by: Gungankllr Regarding Tribal Souls, and Paragon Soul for that matter, has absolutely nothing to do with this conflict. Oh yes it does because the paralals are the same Originally by: Gungankllr CYVOK contacted them on multiple occasions asking them to fix the problems. They decided to ignore CYVOK, and measures were taken. Tribal did not think they were problems, your incestent gutless leader 'Fearless Fly" said they were Originally by: Gungankllr We gave them ample opportunity to remove assets, we didn't smack them What a load of diatribe. Fearless Fly leaves and you step up to the bullcrap plate to take his place. You are a joke if you really think that. You really are full of it. You must have been away when CRYVOK posted in here about 'how you will never get your stuff out, how you better sell it for nothing yadda yadda yadda. He pushed the same garbage. You laid down the smack and said how it was going to be for all the readers in here to see. It was the old 'to the spoils go the victors' and you were 'ruthless' back then with ZERO compassion. I bet you now understand that meaning (ruthless) dont you spinmeister. Originally by: Gungankllr We went in and kicked them out. When their members would log in after an extended absence, we gave them travel passes to get out with their assets. cough bullcrap cough must have missed the memo with all your little smacktards gloating in local Originally by: Gungankllr I'm sure that several people from ex-tribal souls corporations can attest I spent a good deal of time arranging travel passes for people that were out of game for some time. I don't see them coming out of the woodwork backing you up. Would you like me to get incontact with them to show you up for the grand twit crapmeister that you really are.........what a tool Originally by: Gungankllr We didn't need to treat them in a terribly uncivil manner. We simply went in, did a job, and cleaned up. sorry but this is the funniest yet. Damn you must be getting senile in you old age. You smacked them left right and centre, you gloated in these forums, you held them to ransom, you victimised them and said there was no way they would leave with there assets in tact. You really need to re-read your CRYVOK old E-O posts about this war you are just making yourself out to be a bigger tool than you really are. CRYVOK was the big bully back then puncing around in the forums as if he and ascn poo poo did not smell. Well your simply being paid back for what you dished out in the eyes of many Tribe people. And to top it off your now bleating about the same things being rammed down your throat. Grow up and be a man about it and take your medicine. You had no problems giving it back then. You ascn folk at the start were good. You came out and all vitriolic and chest beating and saying death to BoB and BoB are going to loose, the number ratio blah blah etc etc. Then the reality bit you on your collective backsides and now you are trolling out the 'why pick on carebears' mantra. It was funny how your PvP'ers thought they were pretty top notch after tribe. We came we saw we conquared crap talk. Originally by: Gungankllr I have zero respect for Band of Brothers anymore. Why, because there doing to you what you did too Tribe ? Pot <---> Kettle Now where did that that whaaa whaaaa wambuwance go for poor old gungy wungy
Spaja Saist Gallente Knights of Retribution	Posted - 2006.12.23 02:42:00 - [396] Originally by: pershphanie tripe Let me see if I can clear this up for you. I hold no love for ASCN or any alliance that can't hold the space they choose to occupy. That being said when someone comes along to take it I would hope that both parties would play on an even and fair playing field. This way whoever is indeed the best at tactics and pvp will win. What I despise is the forum whoring and ego pumping that I see on a near daily basis. It can be quite sickening to behold. Add to that the spying on personal forums and infiltration of TS channels and my dislike of underhanded tactics is complete. Having said that, ASCN whining about loses and claiming BOB was using exploits when no proof is evident is appalling as well. I guess I had hoped for better conduct in this conflict from all parties and to see it degrade into what it's become in my opinion is a stain on EVE. I had hoped at the end of the day cries of "good fight" and "good luck" would be more prevalent. While there are many conflicts raging around EVE on any given day this particular fight has been one of the worse examples of human nature. The petty bickering and near constant forum flame fests have even managed to pull me into their clutches. I guess I expected a better show from both sides in treating each other like real people instead of and endless stream of flaming avatars. The personal attacks leave me wondering if this war is being fought for imaginary space or some personal vendetta I'm not privy too. This will be my last post on the subject and I hope the remainder of the fight can take place in a more civil atmosphere. For anyone whom I may have intentionally or unintentionally slandered you have my utmost apologies. I, like everyone else am only human and sometimes I allow my intense dislike for things to cloud my better judgment. Afterall, at the end of the day this is only a game and at anytime I can pull the plug.
Bella Fea TAOSP Band of Brothers	Posted - 2006.12.23 03:58:00 - [397] Originally by: Spaja Saist ... What I despise is the forum whoring ... I can only hope you are being intentionally ironic, because i have a hard time believing this from the guy who makes up half the posts in every ascn/bob thread and is neither ascn nor bob, and in fact cant even decide which side he is flaming at any given time. Originally by: Spaja Saist ...This will be my last post on the subject ... xmas came early this year. [b]Lastest Movie: Noobs in Action Vol. 2
Mariko San Saints Surrounded	Posted - 2006.12.23 13:34:00 - [398] Originally by: Avon Edited by: Avon on 23/12/2006 02:26:55 Originally by: Mariko San eeerm have you never looked at your own KB? Everyday you see the slaughter of dozens and dozens of ASCN ships, so how does this tally up with them refusing to fight you? They may be / are a bit crap at pvp, but it doesnt mean they have not tried, or how else do you explain all those losses? And I am sure that like everyone else bob picks and chooses when to fight, dont you? Very poor excuse. I think you guys slipped up by admitting all that stuff as going on because it put you square into lamer territory and the more you deny you care the more it seems that you do. Would have been much better to have denied it was going on and played your much used "OMG tinfoil hats/conspiracy posts" which always go down a treat on here. Losing ships is to fighting what losing weight is to eating. Your "proof" of effort fails, sorry. Well if the people you are fighting are a bit crap, what other proof are you after exactly? Originally by: Avon As to the underhanded tactics, I honestly do not agree. If we hacked ASCN's TS, or their forums, that would be one thing, but using the access you have been given as a member (or by a member) of that alliance is quite another. Ultimately, if the risk of using a third party out of game utility to enhance your Eve effectiveness is higher than the reward, don't use it. Anyone who uses voice comms is already trying to get an OOG advantage, and yet they cry when it becomes a sisadvantage. The irony is not wasted on me. This is really weak. Everyone uses TS, its not like ASCN are using some kind of dubious mod to amend their clients or something leaving them vulnerable to attack. And just because you have alts in the alliance, using them to gain this advantage is still weak in my opinion, you dont have to agree (and of course you wouldnt) but I can hardly see how using spies to reduce the risk of a pvp fight is something to be proud of? Originally by: Avon Besides, ASCN have admitted repeatedly that they use spies, so what is the problem? Are BoB evil not because they use spies, but because their spies are effective? I have never seen any evidence on here of ASCN spies? If they use them then as you say they are not very good. And this is not bob-specific, anyone doing the same with TS speis in combat situations I would think was equally lame. Originally by: Avon BoB are the bad guys (well, I see us as bringing enforced peace, so maybe we are are ultimately a good thing?), and we do not strive to be liked. The more people throw mud at us, the better we must be doing. All the "booing" and "hissing" and cries of "he's behind you!" just serve to add to our pantomime style of evil, and we love it. I said "lame" not "ebil". Originally by: Avon However, there is a difference between that and actual accusations of cheating, or CCP favoritism, and other such things. When people actually start to believe that stuff, then that can become detrimental - not to BoB, because it makes us seem even more powerful - but to the game itself. We are good at what we do, and we are ruthless and relentless. You may not agree with our methods, but they are legitimate, even if they are "evil" or "immoral" .. which is to be expected, we wear the black hats, and we shoot the guys in the white hats. As I said, I didnt use the term "ebil", I said i thought it was lame and I still do.
LUKEC Destructive Influence Band of Brothers	Posted - 2006.12.23 14:30:00 - [399] GF in AZN... ...not -------- The BoB model is bad for business. Incidently the BoB model is more suited for a game such as WoW where as the ASCN model more suited for Eve. McGreedy
Angelus X Reikoku Band of Brothers	Posted - 2006.12.23 14:39:00 - [400] Originally by: Mariko San This is really weak. Everyone uses TS, its not like ASCN are using some kind of dubious mod to amend their clients or something leaving them vulnerable to attack. And just because you have alts in the alliance, using them to gain this advantage is still weak in my opinion, you dont have to agree (and of course you wouldnt) but I can hardly see how using spies to reduce the risk of a pvp fight is something to be proud of? Why do people without a clue on the situation, or the way either alliance runs insist on posting their crap in the ASCN vs BoB threads? (1) ASCN have used spies in the past, and even MadEye Mcreedy claims to have one in BoB right now. If an ASCN spy managed to get access to BoB TS, are you honestly stupid enough to think they wouldn't use this to their advantage, at ANY point during this war? (2) Anyone who thinks BoB use, or have used TS spies in the past to AVOID a fight is one sandwich short of a picnic. If anything, one thing spies in Eve do provide is an invaluable tool of knowing when an enemy is gathering a fleet so that you know when to gather forces yourself to ensure a fight takes place! (Rather than have the enemy show up with 100 people, and you having to wait another 1-2 hours for people to wake up/log on/gang up). Your opinion is moot becuase your flaming BoB for doing something that both sides have done in the past, both sides would do know if they were able to now, and that both sides have admitted to, so take your "blah blah, it's weak imo" to a thread where someone cares. -----
kublai Short Attention Span	Posted - 2006.12.23 14:47:00 - [401] I gotta say, BoB's been showing some impressive forum disiplin this war, all trough the war we've had people flaming BoB for..flaming, while bob mostly held their heads above it, rising above it. It's been a pretty forum active war, but if you're going to give a fair play award out in this conflict, it goes to bob tbh.
slip66 Black Nova Corp Band of Brothers	Posted - 2006.12.23 14:54:00 - [402] Edited by: slip66 on 23/12/2006 15:04:46 ASCN liked to talk allot before this war went full scale. As soon as we pulled the kid gloves off they didn't like the game anymore. fact is we are now in your capitol system. If you call dying in 1s and 2s out of 100s fighting then well you have already lost. Finish rolling over so we can bury you to EVE History. Originally by: StOrM ViPeR Theres a skill called surgical strike in game I've learned that it actually stands for Band of Brothers
Viginti Caldari Dark-Rising	Posted - 2006.12.23 17:24:00 - [403] I always like to read BoB and/or ASCN topics because they're always filled with the same complaints and flames which I always find amusing. However, I'm tired of seeing is the whole "honorable tactics" whine. It's the most useless of all the flames. You're fighting a war presumably to win. So don't whine and whip out the "honor" card every time BoB figures out a legitimate way to get the upper hand. They picked a fight in which they are vastly outnumbered and if they didn't use spies and other sorts of espionage related tactics I'd call them stupid for not taking advantage of the opportunities. You (ASCN) gave them the TS passwords and forums registrations. Tough luck, blame your recruiters. BoB's spying and infiltration of your alliance corps is tantamount to what every other government agency does the world over and SURPRISE! it works in EVE the same way it works in the real world. Bravo to BoB for finding the weaknesses in your war target. Fight to win or shut up and take your beating ASCN. Merry Christmas ASCN, now sod off. P.S. Please direct the inevitable "BoB slave" and "Titan exploit" whines to your recycle bins. Dark is Rising, Come rise with us.
welsh wizard Celestial Apocalypse Insurgency	Posted - 2006.12.23 17:31:00 - [404] Originally by: kublai I gotta say, BoB's been showing some impressive forum disiplin this war, all trough the war we've had people flaming BoB for..flaming, while bob mostly held their heads above it, rising above it. It's been a pretty forum active war, but if you're going to give a fair play award out in this conflict, it goes to bob tbh. haha Originally by: anonymous If you're being chased by a police dog, try not to go through a tunnel, then on to a little seesaw, then jump through a hoop of fire. They're trained for that.
Mariko San Saints Surrounded	Posted - 2006.12.23 17:56:00 - [405] Originally by: Angelus X Originally by: Mariko San This is really weak. Everyone uses TS, its not like ASCN are using some kind of dubious mod to amend their clients or something leaving them vulnerable to attack. And just because you have alts in the alliance, using them to gain this advantage is still weak in my opinion, you dont have to agree (and of course you wouldnt) but I can hardly see how using spies to reduce the risk of a pvp fight is something to be proud of? Why do people without a clue on the situation, or the way either alliance runs insist on posting their crap in the ASCN vs BoB threads? (1) ASCN have used spies in the past, and even MadEye Mcreedy claims to have one in BoB right now. If an ASCN spy managed to get access to BoB TS, are you honestly stupid enough to think they wouldn't use this to their advantage, at ANY point during this war? (2) Anyone who thinks BoB use, or have used TS spies in the past to AVOID a fight is one sandwich short of a picnic. If anything, one thing spies in Eve do provide is an invaluable tool of knowing when an enemy is gathering a fleet so that you know when to gather forces yourself to ensure a fight takes place! (Rather than have the enemy show up with 100 people, and you having to wait another 1-2 hours for people to wake up/log on/gang up). Your opinion is moot becuase your flaming BoB for doing something that both sides have done in the past, both sides would do know if they were able to now, and that both sides have admitted to, so take your "blah blah, it's weak imo" to a thread where someone cares. If you dont want me to reply then simply stop replying to my posts, otherwise you invite me to do so. errm a "moot point" is one which is up for discussion no? If ASCN could be shown to have used TS spies in their combat ops then i would say that they were equally as bad (in fact even worse because to do that badly with ts spies should be impossible). I have not seen any thread which shows that ASCN have used TS spies during combat. And to say that "we use it to get fights" is just hilarious. Isn't not knowing such things part of the fun? you know, being taken by surprise, not always having a card up your sleeve, isnt that what makes things more interesting and risky and, dare I say it, challenging? Look if you want to play with a deck stacked in your favour then by all means play that way, convince yourself that its a legit tactic and go on your merry way to eve domination, but at least have the decency to simply admit it.
Plim Gallente Celestial Apocalypse Insurgency	Posted - 2006.12.23 17:58:00 - [406] Originally by: kublai I gotta say, BoB's been showing some impressive forum disiplin this war, all trough the war we've had people flaming BoB for..flaming, while bob mostly held their heads above it, rising above it. It's been a pretty forum active war, but if you're going to give a fair play award out in this conflict, it goes to bob tbh. It is fitting that you are in a corp named Short attention span tbh. ----------------- Originally by: BoB forum PR Toxic sludge is good for you.
Avon Caldari Black Nova Corp Band of Brothers	Posted - 2006.12.23 18:07:00 - [407] 2 people for Celes flaming the guy kinda proves his point, non? The Battleships is not and should not be a solo pwnmobile - Oveur
welsh wizard Celestial Apocalypse Insurgency	Posted - 2006.12.23 18:13:00 - [408] Originally by: Avon 2 people for Celes flaming the guy kinda proves his point, non? Not really, hes talking crap. Originally by: anonymous If you're being chased by a police dog, try not to go through a tunnel, then on to a little seesaw, then jump through a hoop of fire. They're trained for that.
Plim Gallente Celestial Apocalypse Insurgency	Posted - 2006.12.23 18:16:00 - [409] Originally by: Avon 2 people for Celes flaming the guy kinda proves his point, non? Non. ----------------- Originally by: BoB forum PR Toxic sludge is good for you.
DB Preacher Reikoku Band of Brothers	Posted - 2006.12.23 18:21:00 - [410] aww innit cute, our little fanboi's giving so much love so close to xmas ^^ Makes me laugh heartily on the inside. ho ho ho dbp Caldari Alliance PVP Championship Winner Current RKK Ranking: (PSCAL6) Proficient Short Tanto
Plim Gallente Celestial Apocalypse Insurgency	Posted - 2006.12.23 18:31:00 - [411] Originally by: DB Preacher aww innit cute, our little fanboi's giving so much love so close to xmas ^^ Makes me laugh heartily on the inside. ho ho ho dbp What is truly hilarious is tha you call us 'fans' when there are only a few Celes posts in this thread. You wanna go take a look at the last Celes thread? Seriously, go have a look. Your guys were practically asking for our autographs. And sorry to dissapoint you DB, but darth dosen't do groupies. In truth i'm only posting here because I just installed the SISI patch on my main client somehow (lol). So I figured i'd come to the jolly old EVE-O forums for some short lived entertainment, while I spend 198203 hours downloading the client again ----------------- Originally by: BoB forum PR Toxic sludge is good for you.
DB Preacher Reikoku Band of Brothers	Posted - 2006.12.23 19:34:00 - [412] So cute that you think I care what you are doing. Have a nice xmas now dbp Caldari Alliance PVP Championship Winner Current RKK Ranking: (PSCAL6) Proficient Short Tanto
j0sephine Caldari Reikoku Band of Brothers	Posted - 2006.12.23 19:59:00 - [413] Edited by: j0sephine on 23/12/2006 20:01:28 "I have not seen any thread which shows that ASCN have used TS spies during combat." Since when whining on the forums is a proof --one way or the other-- of anything? Furthermore, just how do you prove existence of "TS spy" to begin with? Add to it BoB approach it's fair part of combat mechanics, and you can easily see expecting to see cry threads about possibility of ASCN spies is well, naive at best or more realistically a weak dodge. "And to say that "we use it to get fights" is just hilarious. Isn't not knowing such things part of the fun? you know, being taken by surprise, not always having a card up your sleeve, isnt that what makes things more interesting and risky and, dare I say it, challenging?" Is it fun to not get the fight because your force assembled on different hour than the enemy fleet? Is it fun to not get the fight because each fleet was in different solar system unaware of one another? Is it fun to not get the fight because even though both fleets were in the same system, they never found one another? Because you aren't suggesting people should utilize scouts, check the map, launch scan probes etc? That would after all be means to "knowing the things" and that is, according to you, not risky, not interesting, not fun. This is the kind of "fun" you get when both sides refuse to gather any form of intel so it's more "risky" and "challenging" -- hours of sitting idle and achieving nothing. A challenging, risky, interesting fun, indeed. "Look if you want to play with a deck stacked in your favour then by all means play that way, convince yourself that its a legit tactic and go on your merry way to eve domination, but at least have the decency to simply admit it." Admit what, that people try to gather as much info on the enemy moves as possible to get the upper hand? This has been openly declared over and over because it's (intel and recon gathering) part of what combat is about and nothing to be ashamed of that has to be 'admitted'. It's what every fleet commander worth the salt will try to do to best of their ability. Unless they enjoy getting their people to repeatedly mine for new ships which are then blown up by force they never saw coming.
NAFnist Rage of Angels Morsus Mihi	Posted - 2006.12.23 20:25:00 - [414] It did say something about spies on the box, didnt it. BOB is evil, and ASCN have been ignoring that fact since day one. Had ASCN leaders only listened to the warnings instead of their wallets. - Regards NAFnist
Sochin Reikoku Band of Brothers	Posted - 2006.12.23 21:16:00 - [415] Originally by: Mariko San And to say that "we use it to get fights" is just hilarious. Isn't not knowing such things part of the fun? you know, being taken by surprise, not always having a card up your sleeve, isnt that what makes things more interesting and risky and, dare I say it, challenging? Look if you want to play with a deck stacked in your favour then by all means play that way, convince yourself that its a legit tactic and go on your merry way to eve domination, but at least have the decency to simply admit it. No-name halfwits lecturing the three time PVP championship winners on combat and warfare is quite the laugh. Who the hell are you again, and why do you presume you can judge us on how we fight? Nemo me impune lacessit
Plim Gallente Celestial Apocalypse Insurgency	Posted - 2006.12.23 21:50:00 - [416] Originally by: DB Preacher So cute that you think I care what you are doing. Have a nice xmas now dbp So that explains why you keep responding to my posts/ranting in Celes threads/leaving tearful messages on the celes answering machine etc ----------------- Originally by: BoB forum PR Toxic sludge is good for you.
Lodhi Celestial Apocalypse Insurgency	Posted - 2006.12.23 21:53:00 - [417] Originally by: Plim Originally by: DB Preacher So cute that you think I care what you are doing. Have a nice xmas now dbp So that explains why you keep responding to my posts/ranting in Celes threads/leaving tearful messages on the celes answering machine etc Face it Plim, dbp is in love. Don't you remember how i used to be?

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