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Ava Stormshield
Stormshield
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Posted - 2015.09.29 13:45:42 -
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I created my 3 new toons on the 15 exactly 2 weeks before the patch this toon Jamie stormshield, Logan stormshield will we all be covered with the 300k free sp ?
Ava stormshield
Jamie stormshield
Logan stormshield
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HandelsPharmi
Pharmi on CharBazaar
1729
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Posted - 2015.09.29 14:25:29 -
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Ava Stormshield wrote:I created my 3 new toons on the 15 exactly 2 weeks before the patch this toon Jamie stormshield, Logan stormshield will we all be covered with the 300k free sp ?
Ava stormshield
Jamie stormshield
Logan stormshield
No, DEVs say, two weeks before patching day. As long the patch has not been released, it is not sure to get a free gift by CCP :) |
Ava Stormshield
Stormshield
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Posted - 2015.09.29 17:43:29 -
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patch was today the 29th my toons were created on the 15th thats exactly 2 weeks to the day im just curious if im coverd as its right on the day |
Goray
State War Academy
Caldari State
0
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Posted - 2015.09.29 18:12:38 -
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I started to play four days ago and I was a little sad. Additional experience of starting the latest update for beginners - I do not got. It's a shame though :). |
Maekchu
Gunpoint Diplomacy
129
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Posted - 2015.09.29 18:38:52 -
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Goray wrote:I started to play four days ago and i was a little sad. Additional experience of starting the latest update for beginners - i do not got. Offensively :).
Read the OP carefully. You will get unallocated SP points, but might take a bit before they are on your character. Basically, you get the extra SP, if you created your character within the 2 weeks from the implementation of Vanguard.
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Goray
State War Academy
Caldari State
0
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Posted - 2015.09.29 19:19:43 -
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Maekchu wrote:Read the OP carefully. You will get unallocated SP points, but might take a bit before they are on your character. Basically, you get the extra SP, if you created your character within the 2 weeks from the implementation of Vanguard.
Hmm, I overlooked diagonally. I will be more attentive to continue. Thank you :).
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NaK'Lin
Calamitous-Intent
Feign Disorder
58
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Posted - 2015.10.01 08:15:15 -
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NaK'Lin wrote:Mag's wrote:The only issue I see with this approach, is the giving of skills one may not want. Could you look to making focused skill set choices.
I.E. PvP focused, Trader focused, mining focused etc.
This from a perspective of someone who has industry and mining at one, with no intention on ever using them. But no choice as to their inclusion.
Not only would I give starting characters the choice of some "presets" for SP distribution, but I would allow them to then redistribute and fine-tune manually, for those who want it. The same way any other RPG / MMO does it.
Furthermore, from someone who is heavily involved in the broader gaming community, the biggest hurdle I have to get people onto EvE is progression speed.
I find it hilarious that after 10+ years of playing you can't have a maxed character yet. That's idiotic, to say the least.
I believe that after 12-18 months you character should be able to fly about any one race to near perfection (I mean V skills, yes), including core skills and support skills. Make it another 6-12 months (I would lean towards 6-9) for crosstraining into an entirely new race to perfection.
Again, this would include things such as racial carrier V, dreads, etc.
Your further progression of "endgame" would be game centric only, and ISK.
I barely know any game in which you aren't able to be "maxed" within at least 1 year, make it two, if it's a korean grindfest.
The focus then is entirely on endgame activities.
In Eve, this would be flying ships and doing your things.
I would hate to be a new player in Eve, and CCP is literally BAD at getting new players into the game and is really catering to bittervets, wannabe vets to not lose more of existing active accounts.
For all those "old toons", your toons don't get worse, so no need to whine. they'll be just as good.
Progression hurdles will still be ISK (skill book prices, ship prices, ship losses due to badly fitting **** they don't know how to fly yet, etc.) and maybe something you could implement on top of it, but I wouldn't see the need. |
FT Diomedes
The Graduates
Get Off My Lawn
1772
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Posted - 2015.10.01 09:26:54 -
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NaK'Lin wrote:
I find it hilarious that after 10+ years of playing you can't have a maxed character yet.
Why do you think many of us have been playing for that long? Over 8.5 years here... and I still have a skill queue of 213 days...
Insanity: doing the same thing over and over again and expecting different results. So, why do I post here?
I'm stubborn.
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Zack Thren
Grey Operations
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Posted - 2015.10.01 10:30:21 -
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Hi, what date was the cut-off point for creating a character (and getting the 300k)?
i made my account on the 26th of September, i'm not sure where that leaves me..
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Maekchu
Gunpoint Diplomacy
130
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Posted - 2015.10.01 15:07:23 -
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Zack Thren wrote:Hi, what date was the cut-off point for creating a character (and getting the 300k)?
i made my account on the 26th of September, i'm not sure where that leaves me..
Read the OP carefully. You will get unallocated SP points, but might take a bit before they are on your character. Basically, you get the extra SP, if you created your character within the 2 weeks from the implementation of Vanguard
If the patch was implemented on the 29th, and you created your character on the 26th. Simple math will tell you, you are within 2 weeks of the implementation of Vanguard.
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NVision08
The Senate and People of Eve
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Posted - 2015.10.03 03:01:06 -
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300,000 to all the players. We vets will not benefit to the degree new players will so I agree its a good idea. However, fair is fair and I believe those of us who have played for years should not be slapped with favoritism towards new player without compensation. vets can use these skill points to round out uncommon ones we need w/o a total useless remap. These types of vet nerfs are beyond frustrating. Not wise to hit the players who made your game what it is today, CCP. |
Cardcaptor Sakura
Deep Core Mining Inc.
Caldari State
9
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Posted - 2015.10.03 23:57:50 -
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Instead of just making it 400 k..maybe buff it to a million instead? |
Salpad
Carebears with Attitude
552
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Posted - 2015.10.04 06:18:57 -
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CCP Rise wrote:Let us know if you see any big problems with the skill list here or any other feedback.
I think it'd be better if new accounts automatically trained a lot faster for the first X SP. Like x4 or x5 times faster. I know there's already some training acceleration for the first 30 days (IIRC), via an implant, but it's only x2 speed. I think it should be changed to not be days-based but rather be SP-based, and give x5 speed for the first 500k SP then x2 speed for the next 1M SP.
Also, some years ago when I tried to introduce a friend to EVE, I had great problems getting that friend to actually get around to setting a skill to train. That person was used to a more WoW-like gaming style where you go out and do quests or kill monsters to gain XP, so there was quite an amount of waste going on, with the new player unable to understand that every hour without a skill set to train was wasted opportunity. The friend seemed to sour on EVE after a couple of days, and never went back.
Maybe that was an almost unique occurence. Perhaps 99.99% of people who try EVE actually get it within 6-12 hours, achieving a comprehensive understanding of the dynamics of skill advancement and the consequences of not queuing up a skill.
But if that isn't the case, if it's actually a relatively common occurence, then new accounts ought to automatically put SP into a bank when they don't have a skill training, for the first week or so. Because when introducing a new player to EVE, it is rather annoying to have to press so hard on "but you have to do this thing" issue.
Alternatively, you could have a pop-up, immediately upon first log-on, asking the player whether he wants to start training [racial] Frigate skill. If the player clicks "yes, plz" then automagically queue [racial] Frigate to train all the way up to 5, skill level by skill level, and continue to do so until the player changes it. If the player clicks "no thx, I'd rather choose myself" then do nothing. Perhaps even add Navigation to the queue too, upon a click of "yes":
[racial] Frigate to 3
Navigation to 2
[racial] Frigate to 4
Navigation to 3
Navigation to 4
[racial] Frigate to 5
Navigation to 5
That gives the new players a fairly good opportunity to get used to the game, before being required to go in and mess with the skill queue. Without (note this is included in what I wrote earlier) being barred from going in and messing with it if desired. |
Salpad
Carebears with Attitude
552
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Posted - 2015.10.04 06:20:20 -
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NVision08 wrote:300,000 to all the players. We vets will not benefit to the degree new players will so I agree its a good idea. However, fair is fair and I believe those of us who have played for years should not be slapped with favoritism towards new player without compensation. vets can use these skill points to round out uncommon ones we need w/o a total useless remap. These types of vet nerfs are beyond frustrating. Not wise to hit the players who made your game what it is today, CCP.
I don't have an opinion on this. I have something like 150+ million SP. I can't be arsed to have an opinion on me getting 300k SP either way.
But EVE needs to grow. Giving more SP to new players, one way or another, is good. |
Julian Celador
EVE University
Ivy League
0
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Posted - 2015.10.04 21:43:11 -
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Hello!
Has the cutoff starting date been decided for receiving the unallocated skillpoints? I started my first and only EVE character on September 15th, exactly 2 weeks before the Vanguard update. I've spent the bulk of my training time on basic skills that I would have received automatically if I had just waited 2 weeks to start playing, and even then I'm still missing several skills that are now default. It would be great to make up for the lost time. Other than this small frustration, my experience with EVE has been great. :)
Thanks,
Julian |
Celestine Hexa
State War Academy
Caldari State
0
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Posted - 2015.10.04 21:53:24 -
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Love this, created my first toon on Sunday 20th September, invested 2 Cerebral and whole +3 implants set on her now she has 1.2m after 15.5 days, if they release free sp this week then she will have roughly 1.7m sp by tuesday, love you CCP <3. |
Oxide Ammar
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Posted - 2015.10.07 10:40:54 -
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Off the topic, the account you posted images into it belongs to you.
Lady Areola Fappington: -áSolo PVP isn't dead!-á You just need to make sure you have your booster, remote rep, cyno, and emergency Falcon alts logged in and ready before you do any solo PVPing.
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Reaver Glitterstim
Dromedaworks inc
Test Alliance Please Ignore
2655
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Posted - 2015.10.07 18:08:21 -
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NVision08 wrote:300,000 to all the players. We vets will not benefit to the degree new players will
I might be wrong, but I think this subject might be what spurned the creation of Malcanis' Law: "Whenever a mechanics change is proposed on behalf of GÇÿnew playersGÇÖ, that change is always to the overwhelming advantage of richer, older players."
Veteran players can better take advantage of the skillpoint bonus because we know how to farm new characters and get them ready quickly. We know better how to take advantage of the free skillpoints.
Pirate ship Nightmare, can you fathom
Larger but with smaller spikes than Phantasm
The Succubus looks meaner
But the Revenant cleaner
Seems as they get bigger, the smaller spikes they has'm
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Darkblad
Hilf Dir selbst in EVE
2334
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Posted - 2015.10.08 12:32:25 -
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Maybe that advantage resulted in the change in the way those SP got applied to only new accounts. and only the top SP character of each account. And you better did'nt create a new account during the last two days before Vanguard got deployed.
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afkalt
Republic Military School
Minmatar Republic
2131
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Posted - 2015.10.08 13:21:09 -
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Quote:300.000 unallocated skillpoints have been rewarded to the highest skillpoint characters on accounts created between 00:00, September 15, and 11:00, September 27, to account for the additional skillpoints new character skills are now receiving
You said CHARACTERS, CCP Rise......not cool, not cool at all. |
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HandelsPharmi
Pharmi on CharBazaar
1731
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Posted - 2015.10.08 13:56:48 -
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afkalt wrote:Quote:300.000 unallocated skillpoints have been rewarded to the highest skillpoint characters on accounts created between 00:00, September 15, and 11:00, September 27, to account for the additional skillpoints new character skills are now receiving You said CHARACTERS, CCP Rise......not cool, not cool at all.
Have you created a LOT of new chars on your accounts as suitably future cyno alts? :D |
afkalt
Republic Military School
Minmatar Republic
2132
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Posted - 2015.10.08 14:01:22 -
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HandelsPharmi wrote:afkalt wrote:Quote:300.000 unallocated skillpoints have been rewarded to the highest skillpoint characters on accounts created between 00:00, September 15, and 11:00, September 27, to account for the additional skillpoints new character skills are now receiving You said CHARACTERS, CCP Rise......not cool, not cool at all. Have you created a LOT of new chars on your accounts as suitably future cyno alts? :D
Yup, totally did.  |
Meepo
State War Academy
Caldari State
0
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Posted - 2015.10.09 00:10:56 -
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afkalt wrote:Quote:300.000 unallocated skillpoints have been rewarded to the highest skillpoint characters on accounts created between 00:00, September 15, and 11:00, September 27, to account for the additional skillpoints new character skills are now receiving You said CHARACTERS, CCP Rise......not cool, not cool at all.
Yeah, I biomassed three alts with about 300k SP each and made new ones based on the original post. It was pretty clear what it said... |
elitatwo
Eve Minions
The-Company
875
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Posted - 2015.10.09 00:33:13 -
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Salpad wrote:CCP Rise wrote:Let us know if you see any big problems with the skill list here or any other feedback. I think it'd be better if new accounts automatically trained a lot faster for the first X SP. Like x4 or x5 times faster. I know there's already some training acceleration for the first 30 days (IIRC), via an implant, but it's only x2 speed. I think it should be changed to not be days-based but rather be SP-based, and give x5 speed for the first 500k SP then x2 speed for the next 1M SP.
No!
And since you bought your skillpoints let me insert a histroy lesson for you. Once upon a time we had character attributes. You were thrown into the cold see and no idea what to do.
At some point you found out that you had to train 10 skills to increase those character attributes.
CCP found the attribute skills silly and removed them. Everyone has the 10 attribute points my default, thus training 549375825678926572562506736 times faster than you did between 2003-2012.
Explain to me why a new player should train faster then he can comprehend what is going on?
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Pic'n dor
Wild Sentinels
Honorable Third Party
41
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Posted - 2015.10.10 12:06:33 -
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Well, still think that new accounts should get a +1M SP when subscribing from trial and being advertised and some 50% speed up in training up to 5M SP.
No matter what, they still be pretty far from the average 30/90M SP pilots out there.
COUCOU TOUCHE TOUCHE
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Fourteen Maken
Omega Industry Inc.
The Ditanian Alliance
209
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Posted - 2015.10.11 19:39:23 -
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Pic'n dor wrote:Well, still think that new accounts should get a +1M SP when subscribing from trial and being advertised and some 50% speed up in training up to 5M SP.
No matter what, they still be pretty far from the average 30/90M SP pilots out there.
It's not really about closing the gap, it's just so they can get access to more content earlier.
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Pic'n dor
Wild Sentinels
Honorable Third Party
41
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Posted - 2015.10.11 19:58:21 -
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i didn't meant about closing the gab but about keeping newbros around.
Now they can do more out of the box. good point
But if you got an incentive to dig it more, that's even better !
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Vailen Sere
The Oasis Group
TOG - The Older Gamers Alliance
9
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Posted - 2015.10.12 00:13:05 -
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Morgan Agrivar wrote:Wow.
Just wow.
All the bittervets have come out from the cracks and swarmed all over this. They are giving newbros some more skill points so they don't feel useless starting out. It isn't like they are handing out free Nightmares to newbros for subbing.
Some people are just overreacting. I am ok with them getting it and not having 300k sp added for me since I just passed 35m sp. Sheesh.
If you are getting worked up over this, please go visit a psychiatrist. You have issues.
You seem to be missing the point that being a vet lets you be a bitter vet on the forums.
Most don't even post in here. but when we do, we do so as a bitter vets and often with differing opinions which actually stimulates the discussion.
People never seem to argue the counterpoint with themselves, so instead we are the bitter vets and actually like the title. |
Morgan Agrivar
Happy Endings Massage Parlor
88
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Posted - 2015.10.12 19:33:26 -
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Vailen Sere wrote:Morgan Agrivar wrote:Wow.
Just wow.
All the bittervets have come out from the cracks and swarmed all over this. They are giving newbros some more skill points so they don't feel useless starting out. It isn't like they are handing out free Nightmares to newbros for subbing.
Some people are just overreacting. I am ok with them getting it and not having 300k sp added for me since I just passed 35m sp. Sheesh.
If you are getting worked up over this, please go visit a psychiatrist. You have issues. You seem to be missing the point that being a vet lets you be a bitter vet on the forums. Most don't even post in here. but when we do, we do so as a bitter vets and often with differing opinions which actually stimulates the discussion. People never seem to argue the counterpoint with themselves, so instead we are the bitter vets and actually like the title.
And you seem to miss the point that 300k sp will greatly help the newbros WAY more than someone running with 100m+ sp. That amount is a drop in the bucket to a 'bittervet' but yet they still complain that they aren't getting that sp. That is honestly pathetic.
I am now pushing 37m sp and I don't need the extra 300k sp since it won't benefit me as much as it would my friend who just joined Eve Online and is still learning the ropes.
A bittervet has the right to complain on the forums, but don't be surprised if no one takes them seriously. The only ones I am concerned about are the ones that just missed the cutoff. Maybe they should add 300k to every character under a certain sp and within a certain timeframe, maybe like those less than 1.5m sp and less than six weeks or so from Vanguard expansion.
Just something about me...
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Vailen Sere
The Oasis Group
TOG - The Older Gamers Alliance
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Posted - 2015.10.12 19:41:23 -
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Morgan Agrivar wrote:Vailen Sere wrote:Morgan Agrivar wrote:Wow.
Just wow.
All the bittervets have come out from the cracks and swarmed all over this. They are giving newbros some more skill points so they don't feel useless starting out. It isn't like they are handing out free Nightmares to newbros for subbing.
Some people are just overreacting. I am ok with them getting it and not having 300k sp added for me since I just passed 35m sp. Sheesh.
If you are getting worked up over this, please go visit a psychiatrist. You have issues. You seem to be missing the point that being a vet lets you be a bitter vet on the forums. Most don't even post in here. but when we do, we do so as a bitter vets and often with differing opinions which actually stimulates the discussion. People never seem to argue the counterpoint with themselves, so instead we are the bitter vets and actually like the title. And you seem to miss the point that 300k sp will greatly help the newbros WAY more than someone running with 100m+ sp. That amount is a drop in the bucket to a 'bittervet' but yet they still complain that they aren't getting that sp. That is honestly pathetic. I am now pushing 37m sp and I don't need the extra 300k sp since it won't benefit me as much as it would my friend who just joined Eve Online and is still learning the ropes. A bittervet has the right to complain on the forums, but don't be surprised if no one takes them seriously. The only ones I am concerned about are the ones that just missed the cutoff. Maybe they should add 300k to every character under a certain sp and within a certain timeframe, maybe like those less than 1.5m sp and less than six weeks or so from Vanguard expansion.
I didnt mention anything about not getting the SP.. but if its someone else complaining it's always a bittervet.
Here's one for yah. Go back to when we didn't have implants to boost your training :P Newbro's can get SP a LOT faster than we could.
What will be nice, is if thet get rid of the implants and get make SP a flat gain. That should get more people out of Bling clones and actually flying as opposed to always sit-skill waiting in the station. |
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